"Fist-waving after the fight": Experts commented on the announcement of US sanctions against Nord Stream-2

The United States plans to impose sanctions on the Nord Stream-2 pipeline by the end of the year, writes the German newspaper Bild.

The publication, citing its sources in the US Senate, reports that the strike will be carried out on European contractors implementing the project. In this case, a rather non-standard scheme will be applied, under which sanctions against EU companies will be included in the US military budget for next year.

It is assumed that a number of companies from Germany and Switzerland will cooperate with Gazprom on the Nord Stream-2 project.

A number of experts call these sanctions brandishing fists after the fight, since by the end of December the construction of the gas pipeline can be completed or completed by more than 95%.

At the same time, Russia is also preparing to give an answer to the United States. Today, on December 2, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping will launch the Power of Siberia gas pipeline in an international teleconference.

Blue fuel via the new highway will come from the Chayandinskoye field in Yakutia to the border with China. Gazprom is also building the site to a field in the Irkutsk Region, gas from which is expected to go in the 2023 year.

The Power of Siberia gas pipeline has become one of the key elements of the energy “turn to the East,” which was proclaimed after the West introduced its first sanctions against Russia in 2014.

Comments

[rocket757]

A number of experts call these sanctions brandishing fists after the fight, since by the end of December the construction of the gas pipeline can be completed or completed by more than 95%.

Have you ordered a fight? ... no ... do not care, paid!
In a striped election soon.

[Alexander Petrov1]

Yes, let the United States impose sanctions against its main ally in the European Union, because Russian laws and our gas pipe only reach the border of the European Union, and then the legislation is not ours, and the European Union and sanctions do not threaten us ...

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

gas only reaches the border of the European Union, and then the legislation is not ours, and the European Union and sanctions do not threaten us

Unfortunately, we are threatened with sanctions ... While we are using dollars. And ALL transactions in this currency MUST go through the USA. Think about it when ANY payment can be delayed or blocked by any "sneeze" of the State Department or a court in the United States.

[Andrey Chistyakov]

If payment in euros will be? Or not? Really did not provide this option?

[Vladimir16]

At the same time, Russia is also preparing to give an answer to the United States. Today, on December 2, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping will launch the Power of Siberia gas pipeline in an international teleconference.

I want to ask the author: - what does the USA have to do with it and what is the answer?

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

and sanctions do not threaten us ...

Take off your glasses and at the same time noodles from your ears, Alexander Petrov1.

"We are not threatened with sanctions" Grefbank lives with this motto. And it is for this reason that there is no Security Council in Crimea.
It is under this slogan that football in Russia lives. That is why it is impossible to play football in Crimea.

Wake up, Alexander Petrov 1.

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

If payment in euros will be? Or not? Really did not provide this option?

At least euro, at least bucks.
We ship resources and in return we get foreign currency.
And we give gas to Europe and immediately we dump billions into the European economy.
Top of skill!

You need to sell for rubles.
But the trouble is that our rulers do not understand what can be done with rubles.

And you can buy any crap on the currency !!! except for the one under sanctions.
You can buy soda, chewing gum.
Tractors can be bought! It is not comme il faut to produce by ourselves.
It seems that shopaholics are leading the country.

[Pereira]

You need to sell for rubles

.
Sounds good. Patriotic. But where will the Europeans take rubles? They do not have so many sales of their own goods in Russia. In the bank to change?

[lucul]

Sounds good. Patriotic. But where will the Europeans take rubles? They don’t have so many sales of their own goods in Russia

I beg you, every five times the volume of sales to us of goods is more than we give them energy, it is enough to compare the turnover.
Let them sell us goods for rubles, and pay them in rubles.
But it’s like a sickle to them in one place, because walrus will remain all in Russia ....

[Pereira]

Here are some statistics.

As you can see, in 17 we sold goods worth 132 billion euros.
Europeans are 80 to us. If they receive rubles instead of the euro, then they will not have enough in rubles, equivalent to 50 billion euros.

[lucul]

Europeans are 80 to us. If they receive rubles instead of the euro, then they will not have enough of the equivalent of 50 billion euros.

You want to say that 50 billion more than 80 billion? ))))

[Pereira]

No.
I want to say that Europeans have earned in Russia an amount equivalent to 80 billion euros. But if they want to buy our goods (132 billion euros) for the proceeds, then they will not have enough rubles.

[lucul]

But if they want to buy our goods (132 billion euros) for the proceeds, then they will not have enough rubles.

This is not a problem at all - they trade with other countries that trade with Russia, right? Just redistribute cash flows, business then.
In extreme cases, you can sell them energy exclusively for gold, as they are for us under Stalin. All industrialization is paid for in gold - all machine tools and mechanical equipment. For nothing else, they did not sell them to us - only exclusively for gold ....

[Pereira]

Just redistribute cash flows, business then.

Firstly, it’s not business, but additional transactions, additional costs. And the world payment system is controlled by the United States.
Secondly, do they need it? Im so good. Euro in the world market is more valuable than ruble. But there’s nothing to push. Only persuade and lure with discounts and preferences. And will it be worth it?
In short, in order for the ruble to become popular, Germany needs to catch up with the minimum GDP. The rest then everything itself will be formed. May be.

[haanan]

Quote: Pereira

No.
I want to say that Europeans have earned in Russia an amount equivalent to 80 billion euros. But if they want to buy our goods (132 billion euros) for the proceeds, then they will not have enough rubles.

Let them buy gas from Russia for this amount, are not able to offer other goods

[Pereira]

Let them buy it. And if they don’t want to?

[Cheerock]

Quote: Pereira

No.
I want to say that Europeans have earned in Russia an amount equivalent to 80 billion euros. But if they want to buy our goods (132 billion euros) for the proceeds, then they will not have enough rubles.

Not a question at all. The ruble is calmly traded on the currency exchange. The payer's bank buys rubles and pays. So we make ruble payments.

[Cheerock]

You need to sell for rubles.
But the trouble is that our rulers do not understand what can be done with rubles.

Yes, even rubles, even tugriks. Striped, and therefore sanctions, claim Gazprom’s market share in Europe.

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: CheeRock

Striped, and therefore sanctions, claim Gazprom’s market share in Europe.

US gas in Europe 1,8%. And they can’t sell them anymore. But, having removed Russian gas, raising prices every five times - you always want to.
That only here Oblom (big oblom) - from the Baltic to Spain, Novatek also blocked the terminals with Russian gas. The price of liquefied gas fell to $ 100 per 1000 cubic meters. Two times lower than cost. Therefore, Americans buy Russian gas, and their LNG plants busily inspects the polar fox.

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Considering Shell's 4 lard arrived in Russia, pasture can be very expensive. And American gas carriers deliver "American gas", or "Norwegian" gas, from Vyborg to Europe. Ours are slowly gaining a fleet and may become monopolists in Europe: liquefied gas - it does not fall under any European protocols.

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: Vladimir16

It seems that shopaholics are leading the country.

Not shopaholics. Shovel students. For which jeans and chewing gum are the pinnacles of civilization

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Vladimir16

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

If payment in euros will be? Or not? Really did not provide this option?

At least euro, at least bucks.
We ship resources and in return we get foreign currency.
And we give gas to Europe and immediately we dump billions into the European economy.
Top of skill!

You need to sell for rubles.
But the trouble is that our rulers do not understand what can be done with rubles.

And you can buy any crap on the currency !!! except for the one under sanctions.
You can buy soda, chewing gum.
Tractors can be bought! It is not comme il faut to produce by ourselves.
It seems that shopaholics are leading the country.

The state has not bought soda and tractor for a long time abroad. Private companies are buying. You know the market

[Alexander Petrov1]

And here Sber and Crimea, and Europe with our gas are completely different things ...

[Oleg123219307]

And when you advise others to wake up, do you yourself understand that there are limits to everything? Including our patience. Now the US sanctions are more demonstrative. Let’s say they introduced real serious sectoral sanctions and deprived Russian officials and business of the opportunity to earn money. Even so, the country will not bend. Not so much we depend on them. Well, even if it turns out that we are then addicted to another question ... Well, what should keep us in that case from what they think is stupid things like taking Ukraine for the sake of industry and the buffer? And at the same time, their adored Suvlak corridor, Georgia, Poland and the Baltic states, just in case? And from the transfer of the economy to military tracks to prevent a quick financial collapse and a change in military doctrine back to preventive? Their Army? Oh, hardly. With all the nuances - no one can win the war with us. To die together - perhaps if EVERYTHING comes together against us. But to win - no. Our politicians with the children in London, who are now dancing to their tune - so real sanctions from this trash would have cleared us ... And their dreams of a change of power from within are not in this country. Passed already. No more. Whatever bad power was better now than in the 90s, I've seen enough. Yes, and we remember what they wanted to do with us. Somehow, their plans very much resembled those that were built by a well-known Fuhrer. No, really. They will not dare to push us against the wall. They will lose much more than we, and will have to die of starvation or under bombs - we will have time to take everyone with us.

[Pereira]

If they want to crush us economically, they will crush us. It is not easy, but very simple. But they are afraid to push against the wall. Here you are right. But what sways the 90s. This is an unspoken agreement with you in Putin. He saves us from the legacy of the 90s, and we do not interfere with robbing the country. But those born in the 21st century did not conclude any agreements with the authorities. Their hands are untied. It is not in vain that Navalny relies on children. And they will grow up very soon.
Threat. I also really like souvlaki.

[lucul]

If they want to crush us economically, they will crush us. It is not easy, but very simple.

Laugh .
Could - would not even have thought it at all, would have done it instantly ...
Or do you think that the Russians will die if they don’t get iPhones with Mercedes? )))

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: oleg123219307

Our politicians with children in London who are now dancing to their tune

Comrade, calm down. The Americans confiscated 15 billion (in letters - fifteen billion !!!) dollars of deposits and deposits of "Putin's friends". They have deprived themselves of the foundation of influence on Russian politics by blackmailing thieving officials. All stolen Obama-Trump stole, and after the resignation officials have nowhere to blame !!! Hail Trump !!!!! Now, khosh-not-khosh, the top of the Russian government should settle in their native land.

[at84432384]

In Ukraine, too, there is no industry, they finished it off with their "revolution of hydration" and there is nothing to capture there. And even if such a desire appeared, it would be necessary to sharply increase the army at the expense of the reservists, i.e. to give the adult people a weapon. How it ended 100 years ago, the current government remembers, although two years ago it pretended that there was no October. For them it will definitely be stupid.

[den3080]

I want to ask the author: - what does the USA have to do with it and what is the answer?

This is called the asymmetric answer :)) as I understand it.
Are you trying to block Europe for us? Yes, and the flag in your hands.
We, if Che, will upload to China what we wanted in Europe, we will stretch more pipes through the territory of Russia and forward.
No wonder they postponed the launch of the Force of Siberia for 3 weeks (accelerated) - a purely political move. It’s like Caliber by barmaley :)

[WIKI]

Quote: den3080

We, if Che, will upload to China what we wanted in Europe, we will stretch more pipes through the territory of Russia and forward.

You can probably upload it. But what's the point. "In 2012, Gazprom" prepared a feasibility study for investments in the Power of Siberia, and at the end of this document it was said: yes, this project may have commercial significance, but only if the underlying gas price in it is increased by 50-70%. They calculated the gas price in three different ways: it was tied to the oil price at $ 60, $ 75 and $ 90 per barrel. And according to the investment rationale made by Gazprom planners and economists, it turns out that even at the price of the most expensive oil, the project does not pay off even in 2048! This is not a commercial project at all. "" The fact is that the Chayandinskoye field has significant reserves of oil, the so-called "oil rim". And according to all the rules, both technical and economic, we must first develop oil, because if we take gas from there, the pressure will drop, and we will never take oil from there again. According to the rules, this cannot be done. "And regarding the additional pipeline (Power of Siberia-2), the Chinese said (and so far I have not heard about another position) that" they will agree with the project only if they are allowed to produce gas in Russia themselves, build their own route and export its own gas "

[NKT]

Well, firstly, if it (the technical development scheme) was non-profit, then the deposit would not be put into development. Neither the GKZ nor the CCR would have missed it with a negative economy.
Secondly, Gazprom is developing deposits with free gas, and Gazpromneft with oil rims. The latter are introduced only in the OPE. By virtue of Siberia, free gas flows, and not from gas caps. Condensate and helium are separated at the gas treatment facility.

[WIKI]

The price of oil in 2012 is $ 110. Therefore, they approved. I believe the expert. I would love to read the refutation or explanation of Gazprom on the Chayandinskoye field, but this is apparently a big secret. They are in a hurry with a political effect, which is why they have mixed up the work order of companies.

[NKT]

It is possible that the price of gas for oil at $ 110 was laid down for China in the contract at the level of 350 $ -400 $ per thousand m3, but this does not mean that this price is a certain red line below which the NVP of the project will be negative. Why do you think so?

Gas reserves, except oil and condensate (Chayandinskoye and Kovykta) are 4 trillion m3, and under the contract we supply only a quarter - about 1 trillion m3 and get $ 400 billion. The cost of the project (from open sources) is about $ 80 billion. Condensate and oil are left to ourselves.

[WIKI]

According to Gazprom’s calculations, oil $ 90 will not pay off until 2048. They knew this, but they counted on Chavez’s forecasts for $ 200. I did not say anything about reserves, but just wanted to say that oil under gas is simply buried forever. In a word, mismanagement.

[NKT]

The oil rims are now in pilot production. According to its results, it will be seen whether the economics of the project will "pull" their full development, whether it will be profitable or not. If not, oil reserves can simply be written off or postponed until better times. This will not affect the development of deposits with free gas, and, consequently, the Power of Siberia project (on the contrary, if they are written off, the overall economy of the project will skyrocket). Different grid of wells, different ground infrastructure (for its rims, they have not yet been built, since the pilot project is underway).

At the expense of mismanagement, then what is it? The hinges themselves are difficult to develop, some, due to their small thickness, are simply economically unprofitable - you will never return the invested money (at low oil prices). But if their development is unprofitable, but together with gas it is profitable, i.e. development of deposits with free gas allows you to reduce costs and recoup investments, they will be developed, so they are now in the OPE.

[WIKI]

Again, I will refer to the words of an expert: “Gazprom announced that it allegedly developed a technology that allows gas to be extracted without the pressure in an underground oil reservoir falling. does not exist. Thus, Gazprom violates all norms, it leaves huge reserves of oil in the ground. " Regarding mismanagement, thickness and non-profitability, these are reserves of about 61,6 million tons of oil and condensate.

[NKT]

"Gazprom announced that it has allegedly developed a technology that allows gas to be taken without the pressure in the underground oil reservoir falling.

It is difficult to comment, the expert said - as he understood, but could have misunderstood.
The main problem of the oil rims, not a drop in reservoir pressure, but a breakthrough of gas from a gas cap or water from below (thicknesses are small), respectively, and low oil recovery ratios.

these reserves are about 61,6 million tons of oil and condensate.

Chayandinskoye - 61.6 million tons (recoverable) of oil and condensate, and Kovykta - 91 million tons of condensate (recoverable).

[Yuri Simple]

The Chinese masters make statements. And traded like hell. But ... unlike some, the Chinese always know that it is not necessary to cross certain borders. Only Russian companies have the right to extract oil and gas, as well as coal in Russia. An extreme case is jointly foreigners + Russian companies, but this is not too encouraged. Only for some. Therefore, they declare something (why not bargain, suddenly a ride), but in case of serious problems, they and we will not insist. Too much they need a benevolent Russia.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Vladimir16

I want to ask the author: - what does the USA have to do with it and what is the answer?

USA in our world with everything. There are such structures as the State Department, the CIA and the rest of the "US tinsel", which care about EVERYTHING that is happening in the world. Especially when it comes to the main geopolitical opponents of America. Fortunately, the states have leverage. Both financial and political. It's another matter that lately they more and more often don't work, but that's another question.

[at84432384]

Russia is not a geopolitical rival to the United States. And she didn't. There was an ideological confrontation with the USSR, but with the collapse of the latter, it ended. Now Russia is just as bourgeois and obedient. All the "recommendations" of the World Bank and the IMF (controlled by the Washington Regional Committee) are being fulfilled with overfulfillment of the plan at times. Boston boys came up with "digitalization", so the Russian "geniuses" (he wanted, of course, to use another word, but banyat) Gref and Medvedev right there on the bill. And the essence of this very "digitalization" is the replacement of the state with some kind of "digital platform" that will keep and sell our personal data (literally everything, including biological data) to the one who pays. Soon and the law on the protection of personal data will be canceled. So far, only Soviet normative acts have been taken up, but these are still flowers. Well, what kind of "opponents" are we to the States ?! Rather, bonded.

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

We were 10 years late with the information. 80808 spoiled the US image in the eyes of the Russian ruling elite. And the confiscation of money "airbags" also undermined the economic basis of faith in the good Uncle Sam.

[iConst]

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

If payment in euros will be?

Then everything is fine. But there may be sanctions against banks conducting transactions. Paribas were recently jammed for ten yards. And the French swallowed. The Germans were blown up, but more modestly. Also did not squeak.

Well, the threat of disabling SWIFT, although unlikely, is not zero.

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: iConst

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

If payment in euros will be?

Then everything is fine. But there may be sanctions against banks conducting transactions. Paribas were recently jammed for ten yards. And the French swallowed. The Germans were blown up, but more modestly. Also did not squeak.

Well, it was all up to Nord Stream 2. They swallowed no argument. But the swallowing was over.
Nor will it ever be so. Vaughn and Macron anneal not childishly. I’m not talking about Erdogan.

[Alexander Petrov1]

Andrey Chistyakov (Andrey Chistyakov) - Duck we already pay the European Union in euros and we are not threatened by any stupid US sanctions ...

[at84432384]

Americans do not care what the payment is, their right is extraterritorially, any European bank will strangle. Even Chinese banks were afraid to lend to Power of Siberia. And an ordinary Russian person does not care about American sanctions at all, what difference does it make to us that Russian billionaires (and they have not been Russian for a long time) were forbidden to appear in the "promised land" and in some places they blocked accounts with money stolen from us ?!

[Alexander Petrov1]

You probably don’t track our transactions with dollars, Russia practically abandoned the US debt and left to itself not critical only a few billion US dollars, but withdrew everything in euros and yuan ...

[den3080]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

You probably don’t track our transactions with dollars, Russia practically abandoned the US debt and left to itself not critical only a few billion US dollars, but withdrew everything in euros and yuan ...

Do not confuse soft with hot.
1. US debt - a specific set of purchased "US securities". Slowly! sold out. And that’s not all. And where they donated money or what they transformed into - this mystery is great. There is an opinion that only some “accounting operations” were carried out, from one line to another, which allows us to speak (for political purposes) - we got rid of ...
2. Daily calculations both went in US dollars, and go. The Russian authorities occasionally, rather timidly and reluctantly speak of a decrease in the share of the US dollar in international settlements of Russian residents. There are practically no successes here, as it seems to me.
Everything is measured and paid in US dollars, that is, any international trade in Russia, from China to the EAEU.

p. 1 and 2 are different things.

Here you need some kind of coordinated, firm and irreversible solution.
For example, China and Russia announce that from now on, all payments for goods will be in RMB. Alone (everything in rubles) Russia will not pull.
But this can lead to an interesting effect. The Americans clap their hands and depreciate the dollar :) in fact, having written off their debts and received a furious impulse for the development of their own industry.

[Alexander Petrov1]

They were gradually converted into euros and yuan, which is not clear here?

[den3080]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

They were gradually converted into euros and yuan, which is not clear here?

This is what is buried, as I understand it. Could not find the link.
What has been reduced is not money (dollars), but just regular pieces of paper (derivatives),
so pieces of paper, such as money, but NOT money (this is already a hoax), transferred to pieces of paper denominated in euros (for example), and how much the “new” pieces of paper are tied to the same US ... well, no one looked so far, I assure you :)
but for those who are trying to say: wait a minute, these are the same eggs ... those in power do not pay attention.

[Brturin]

Quote: den3080

on a decrease in the share of the US dollar in international settlements of Russian residents. There are practically no successes here, as it seems to me.

"Over the years of the existence of sanctions (2013-2018), Russia has reduced the share of settlements in dollars by 12,6 percent in foreign trade and increased in euros and rubles by 26,6 percent and 14 percent, respectively" ... "If in the first quarter of last year the Chinese paid for 87,7% of Russian goods and services in dollars and only 0,7% in euros, then by the second quarter of 2019 the ratio changed to 38,8% and 46,4%, respectively "

[lucul]

Do not confuse soft with hot. Daily calculations both went in US dollars, and go

Indeed, it is not clear why the Americans are boiling water when Russia is trading in other currencies with China / the European Union / Turkey and other countries .....

[andrew42]

"Americans will clap their hands and devalue the dollar :) actually writing off their debts and getting a frenzied impulse" - what kind of fantasies? Why haven't the “Americans” still done this in order to have that “mad impulse” -? If you mean the transnational financial elite - well, yes, they can slam the door on the dollar. But where does the economy of the US state? - The American market will have a full paragraph. Secondly, gentlemen, the financial elites of course can, and have already done a lot about reserving assets outside the dollar, but .. The dollar is the instrument of enrichment, if you lose a dollar, you will lose a machine. And no one will drown the dollar with their own hands at their own will.

[den3080]

They will still do :)) need a strong external impulse.
In the meantime ... why change what is already so good: Pinocchio from all over the world carries their soldiers in the United States, on the "field of miracles."

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: den3080

having actually written off his debts and received a furious impulse for the development of his own industry.

Considering that the US economy is open - they import oil, rare earths, uranium, aluminum - the welfare of Americans will collapse. No one will take dollars for raw materials. It is now China and Japan and Saudi Arabia that deliver goods to the United States in exchange for debt obligations.
Russia's turnover with China is now at 20% in RMB, with Turkey at 18% in lira and rubles, and with India at 70% in rubles. SWIFT decreased in interbank operations to 50%.
That is, reconfiguring Russia's trade in a dollar-free regime, if Uncle Sam bites is a matter of several days.

[at84432384]

About how the Central Bank of the Russian Federation "got rid" of Treasuries, Kasatonov, a highly respected economist in the financial world, recently spoke out: "According to my information, they sold the Treasuries, and put the proceeds in dollars on deposits of commercial banks." That's all. Investments in the yuan led to billions in losses. Investments in the yen and the euro are also not effective - there is a negative rate. In such a situation, any housewife would spend money on her family, but "our" government basically does not spend money on Russia, it is better to go to Africa ... An attraction of unprecedented generosity at the expense of the people of Russia.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

And ALL transactions in this currency SHOULD go through the USA ........ and if transactions are carried out with bitcoins, is the dollar tied to it? rather to the yuan, and there the Power of Siberia

[iConst]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

and if Bitcoin transactions are carried out, then is the dollar tied to it?

Bitcoin today 20 tons tomorrow five - the volatility is high.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Bitcoin today is 20 tons. Tomorrow is five ...... well, it’s young and green, at the dawn of its existence, the dollar also gave leaps, but there is no place to go with bitcoins. progress strides by leaps and bounds, do not despair

[Grandfather]

The "battle scheme" is simpler: Gazprom versus the State Department. vse.on the one side the economy in all its manifestations, in "foreign investments", on the other - "pipe".

[andrew42]

Bitcoin is a functional substitute for the dollar, only without a "golden" background. The original candy wrapper, and a virtual one, a new generation of "financial weapons" for buying up real assets, but not for cut Fed paper, but a new technological shnyazhka. Here our clever people will switch to "digital economy", there bitcoin will easily enter, and financial tycoons will take the whole world for Faberge much stronger. Bitcoin is falling out of flames in terms of the real economy, commodity production, and the social sphere for the workforce.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Bitcoin is a functional substitute for the dollar, ........ yes, something like that, the main measure is a man-hours, and everything else is fog and dust

[venik]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

While we use dollars. And ALL transactions in this currency MUST go through the United States.

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And with what fright? It seems like ALL transactions in "euro" are nominated !!!!

[yustas]

Dear, refuse a visa card and mastercard, I’ve already three years since the world switched to a card, this is my answer to sanctions, and there are also buns), but I’m personally satisfied, but about paying online, you can make a virtual card there and do not steam)

[hydrox]

Yes, let them do whatever they want :: SP_2 is practically built and paying attention to the screams of mattresses - this only spoils your nerves.
But we can punish them with sanctions and prohibit them from selling LNG from Sabeta, but we can also sell LNG from Vysotsk ourselves: in our LNG transport costs will be noticeably lower.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

Let the United States impose sanctions against its main ally in the World of the European Union,

Oh, that's not what we're talking about, gentlemen, comrades. Speaking with concern, we must say that Russia, or rather its authorities, is increasing energy trade. Those. raw materials! Without any processing!
Oil without processing, gas without processing, timber without processing, grain without processing, etc. Rulers do not understand that this is bad? Understand, but do nothing, or do, but not fully. Why?
Yes, I know that a gas processing plant is being built that goes to China, and the one that goes to Europe, Turkey?
Personally, I really do not like it. And you?

[rocket757]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Personally, I really do not like it. And you?

Just like that, at the click of a finger, this does not change. This is a systematic work for many, many, years ... most likely, it is not so interesting to temporary workers, because most of them do not connect their lives with this country.
Stole, drank in ... prison \ over a hill! Fun, romance!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: rocket757

Just like that, at the click of a finger, this does not change.

And this problem, quite unexpectedly, arose today?

Quote: rocket757

This is a systematic work for many,

You opened my eyes!

[rocket757]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

And this problem, quite unexpectedly, arose today?

This is true, not even yesterday! If the USSR tried to achieve a reasonable balance ... it did not work. Now they built cooperation, the division of labor ... like that. Now, after 2014, and this was chopped off.
I will not say that nothing is being done ... the result again will have to wait, but there .. we'll see.

[lucul]

Oil without processing, gas without processing, timber without processing, grain without processing, etc. Rulers do not understand that this is bad?

Probably in another way would not be able to tear Europe from America? No ? Even Stalin did not succeed.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: lucul

Probably in another way would not be able to tear Europe from America? No ? Even Stalin did not succeed.

Did we tear Europe away from America? Are you serious?
What an amazing day it is today, to me twice, you and rocket757 open their eyes.

[URAL72]

Who said no processing? Look on the internet as the Germans complain that they can not compete with Russian gasoline and diesel fuel from new plants near St. Petersburg at home.

[Brturin]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Yes, I know that a gas processing plant is being built that goes to China, and the one that goes to Europe, Turkey?

In March 19 - PJSC Gazprom and JSC RusGazDobycha made a decision on the final configuration of the project to create a large complex for the processing of ethane-containing gas and the production of liquefied natural gas (LNG) in the area of ​​Ust-Luga (Leningrad Region). the parties moved to the stage of project implementation.The project provides for the construction of facilities for the annual processing of 45 billion cubic meters of gas, production and shipping of 13 million tons of LNG, up to 4 million tons of ethane and more than 2,2 million tons of liquefied petroleum gases (LPG) ... The commissioning of the first stage of the complex is scheduled for the second half of 2023, the second stage - by the end of 2024. "
As for grain - in 2018, Russia exported 256 thousand tons of flour, taking 12th place in the world.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

In a striped election soon.

So it's time to raise chaos. Fun will go.

[rocket757]

Quote: tihonmarine

So it's time to raise chaos. Fun will go.

Yes, with Trump - we never miss. Elections, this is just a "festival of fun" will be, the next!

[jovanni]

The title of the article seems to be somehow premature. "After the fight" has not come yet. If God willing, gas flows through this gas pipeline, then it's another matter. Although then they can come up with some sanctions for us ...

[askort154]

In this case, a rather non-standard scheme will be applied, under which sanctions against EU companies will be included in the US military budget for next year.

Is that how or what? The wording does not lie on the brain. What is the relationship between EU companies and the US military budget?
Are these companies on the US military budget?
Apparently something with the translation ?!

[hydrox]

As for the brain - it is rightly noticed - it doesn’t fall into any!
It seems that minke whales are going to stop and check shipping documents on ALL gas carriers that they come across outside the economic zone of Russia and at the same time refer to the US budget when performing such actions.
Will we not have to accompany EVERY gas carrier with our LNG with this corvette?

[2 Level Advisor]

You already bent something, where the gas came from - even in the port when the ship - it is already known, it’s much easier to check / reconnoit them there than to catch gas carriers by sea, and even more so the bulk of the gas goes through the pipe .. maybe you pay for your bases for the state will increase?
generally strange rhetoric, we will punish you heavily, but then .. probably .. if we want ... it smacks of a good mine with a bad game ..

[hydrox]

And who will let the Navy of the United States put into the sea ports of the NSR of Russia? Or has the liberde already planned this clearance?

[2 Level Advisor]

Well, if the gas carrier left the Russian port, you can not even doubt where the gas came from, it’s not for us to import it

[hydrox]

If you see a gas carrier in the Bay of Biscay, then how do you know which port it is coming from, especially if it could have been reloaded in Rotterdam.
And stop kindergarten!

[2 Level Advisor]

all gas carriers leaving Russia with our gas? with our..
all loading / unloading is not in Russia -
1. I think they will track according to information from foreign ports, they have no problems with agents ..
2. https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/index/search/all - real-time ship chart with destination ports .. by type of fly radar
So, why fish (inspect / "check shipping documents") across the ocean after what I have listed, if there are no problems with such information without inspection?
Where do you see the kindergarten and what exactly?

[hydrox]

Uhhhhh!
Your docs are impossible to read ...

[2 Level Advisor]

Perhaps, all the same, the Internet is not a lively communication - we will assume that I did not understand your logic about the mandatory stopping of ships to establish cargo belonging with the help of military vessels, since there are no simpler ways ..

[rotmistr60]

By the end of December, the construction of the gas pipeline can be completed or completed by more than 95%.

The “allies” need to show how the United States cares about European “energy security,” the truth exclusively for its own benefit. Something needs to be done and they will continue to knock on the gate with a strong American forehead to the delight of the Poles, Ukrainians and Balts.

[The leader of the Redskins]

There are such experts, on television ... Like dogs not cut, but high-profile headlines on the Internet, even more. I repeat - it’s not long to wait. In a month, everything will become clear and then it will become clear who is the expert and who is the dumbbell!

[Mouse]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

then it turns out who is the expert and who is the dumbbell!

always thought it was the same thing ....

[shinobi]

No one will stop the multi-billion-dollar trading project when it is completed by 3/4. Russia will finish it even alone and this process is irreversible. Yes, the operational terms will move forward, but American LNG will not become cheaper. The price of LNG is the main obstacle to its implementation for the Yankees compared to other gas prices. And these Yankees do not control prices, thank the big market.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: shinobi

No one will stop the multi-billion dollar trading project when it is completed by 3/4. Russia will complete it even alone and this process is irreversible.

So it is, but we are dependent on pipelayers in the offshore section, and these pipelayers are European contractors. In principle, the sanctions plan to hit precisely against them, and therefore, it is advisable to complete the offshore section before the end of the year. In connection with the vagaries of Denmark, at one time it was planned to bypass the disputed section, which increased the time for laying pipes by 15 days. Now Denmark has given the go-ahead and the pipe will go according to plan, that is to say, and these 15 days will shift to minus. Well, if the pipe comes to the German coast, then the pipe layers are no longer afraid of these sanctions. In general, Russia, as the largest gas producer, would not be bad to get its own pipe layer, so as not to depend on anyone's whims.

Quote: shinobi

The price of LNG, this is the main obstacle to its implementation for the Yankees in comparison with other gas prices.

Not only the price of gas is an obstacle. To compensate for the falling volume of Russian gas, the United States will have to increase gas production dozens of times. For its transportation, it is necessary to acquire additional gas carriers, and on the coast of Europe to rebuild reception and liquefaction terminals, which are now clearly not enough, which will take about 10 years. By the way, dill is crushing for this period demanding the conclusion of a new gas transit agreement from Russia, not agreeing to its annual extension.

[Brturin]

Quote: Nyrobsky

So it is, but we are dependent on pipelayers in the offshore section, and these pipelayers are European contractors.

Russian pipe-laying barge Fortuna - there is insurance

[Liam]

Quote: BrTurin

Quote: Nyrobsky

So it is, but we are dependent on pipelayers in the offshore section, and these pipelayers are European contractors.

Russian pipe-laying barge Fortuna - there is insurance

What is the maximum depth for pipe laying on a Fortune barge?

[Brturin]

up to 200 m., but speed. less.

[Liam]

And pipes SP-2 at what depths?

[Brturin]

It should be enough for the Danish depths, but now everything is determined by the weather, and for Fortuna and for European pipe layers, positioning is important, and with winter unrest, storms this is problematic ....

[Liam]

Quote: BrTurin

For the Danish depths it should be enough

But on Pts serious site Neftegas.Ru for some reason doubt that enough.
TUB Fortuna is a unique vessel for Russia, which showed its capabilities in the construction of the Sakhalin - Khabarovsk - Vladivostok gas pipeline, which worked on the Sakhalin-1 project and on the development of the Arkutun-Dagi field.
The ship was created for specific tasks and successfully fulfills them.
However, for the construction of the Northern Stream-2 IHL in the Baltic Sea, where depths can exceed 400 m, more serious pipe layers, such as Solitare or the same Pioneering Spirit, are needed.
In the event that the United States imposes sanctions against pipe-laying vessels involved in the construction of the IHP Nord Stream-2, this will be a very serious blow for the project
https://neftegaz.ru/news/Suda-i-sudostroenie/460476-zemlesosy-kamneukladchiki-i-ne-tolko-rasshiren-spisok-sudov-dopushchennykh-k-stroitelstvu-gazoprovod/

[Brturin]

Quote: Liam

But on Pts serious site Neftegas.Ru

Now the question is not about the depths along the entire SP-2 route, but about a specific Danish section, where the depth is about 100 m. If you refer to this site - "T. Cruz is mistaken:
Back in 2015, Gazprom purchased the multi-purpose construction vessel Jascon 18 (now Academician Chersky), equipped for deep-water laying of pipelines.
a pipe-laying barge (TUB) Fortuna Mezhregiontruboprovodstroy (MRTS) can be connected to the project, which can lay pipes to a depth of 200 m. "https://neftegaz.ru/news/politics/507893-vopros-oborony-ssha-rasschityvayut-blokirovat -severnyy-potok-2-cherez-voennyy-byudzhet /

[Liam]

Quote: BrTurin

about a specific Danish site

An article dated July 2019, when it was already known that only the "Danish" section remained unfinished.
In August, the more they knew. And another equally serious and professional site claims the same thing:
US Senate Committee Approves Nord Stream 2 Sanctions Bill
02.08.2019

......
Sanctions will be imposed if the ship lays pipes at a depth of 100 feet (30,48 m) below sea level.
This condition is critical for the construction of the MFG Nord Stream-2, since the pipes are laid on average at a depth of 50 m, and the maximum depth exceeds 200 m.
The flagship of the Russian pipe-laying fleet - the pipe-laying barge (TUB) Fortuna - can lay pipes to a depth of 200 m, i.e. its capabilities will not be enough for the construction of the IHP Nord Stream-2.
In addition, one, even the most powerful vessel, will not be enough to complete the construction of the pipeline on time.
https://www.tek-all.ru/news/id5956/
Professionals apparently are not optimistic about this .. unlike patriots.

[Brturin]

Quote: Liam

US Senate Committee Approves Bill

You can link when this bill is signed by Trump, published and entered into force ...

Quote: Liam

Professionals apparently are not optimistic about this.

Sorry, then Neftegas.Ru cannot be a "very serious" site - they believe that "T. Cruz is wrong:"

[Liam]

This bill, if you are not aware, was specifically included in the law on the US defense budget. So that it would go like clockwork and without delay (including from Trump). Nothing has changed from August to December. SP-2 in August was laid by 80% percent and "got up" because of the "Danish" problem. So it is still.

[Brturin]

Quote: Liam

was included in the US defense budget law

Once again, this law has already been adopted, and from what date does it start to operate?
There is time until the end of December, and if the weather permits, the European pipelayers will work, if the weather does not allow and sanctions are imposed, Fortuna will remain, but she is able to finish this section, but not on time, but finish it. It is not Novak who will be right, but Kozak, who believes that Nord Stream 2 will start working in the middle of next year. 50% were invested by the Europeans and I don't think they want their money to be lost, Germany also adopted amendments that would allow the SP-2 to be withdrawn from the EU gas directive under the pretext of protecting investments, she also filed an appeal on OPAL.

[Liam]

Quote: BrTurin

this law has already been passed

Until 20.12 will

Quote: BrTurin

Fortune will remain

Here it is. Fortune will remain. For some reason, professionals doubt their ability to finish building. Americans, by the way, also doubt it and don’t really take it into account. Fools probably)

Quote: BrTurin

50% were invested by Europeans and I don’t think that they want their money to go missing

Yeah ... ask Whose money the Europeans invested ... in secret..Europeans invested the money of Gazprom itself.

Quote: BrTurin

Germany adopted amendments that would allow SP-2 to be removed from the EU gas directive under the pretext of protecting investments, it also filed an appeal on OPAL

The story with OPAL shows what the EC decides and not Germany. And not in favor of Germany decides

[Brturin]

Quote: Liam

Here it is. Fortune will remain. For some reason, professionals doubt whose ability to finish building

So let's see who is more professional - those who doubt or professionals "on the very serious site Neftegas.Ru"

Quote: Liam

in secret .. Europeans invested the money of Gazprom itself

if the money of Gazprom why the Polish antimonopoly authority issued a fine to the French Engie, and the deputies of the Bundestag do not know about it, they refer to what 2 billion German investments claiming the exceptions to the gas directive. The management of the Austrian OMV represented by Rainer Seele - "The total cost of the project is 9,5 billion euros, our share is 10%." There is also Shell.

Quote: Liam

The OPAL story shows what the EC decides and not Germany.

Opal decided the court, in the lawsuit of Poland against the EU, we will see what he says now. Wait and see....

[Liam]

Quote: BrTurin

if the money is Gazprom

This is how the Europeans "invested" Gazprom's own money in SP-2 and cut coupons)
On October 10, 2016 Gazprom issued Eurobonds totaling EUR 1 billion with maturity until 2023.

The annual coupon is set at 3,125%.

In turn, OMV previously stated that it could invest up to $ 1 billion in the purchase of Gazprom's convertible bonds in order to start financing the construction of the IHP Nord Stream-2.

[Brturin]

Quote: Liam

On October 10, 2016 Gazprom issued Eurobonds totaling EUR 1 billion with maturity until 2023.

The cost of JV-2 is estimated at € 9,5 billion. Each of the 5 European participants contributed 950 €. "Secretly" how the rest were financed, except for the "1 billion Eurobonds". In 2017, Gazprom placed the same - "the main buyers of the company's Eurobonds were investors from continental Europe - they accounted for 48% of the placement volume." Investors from Germany accounted for almost 16%, from Italy - about 4,5%. The share of investors from Switzerland accounted for about 9%, from the UK - about 7% ", - he specified. Investors from Taiwan and the US also took part in the transaction. Russian investors acquired about 32% of Gazprom Eurobonds", and in 2016 they were bought only by private owners of the joint venture. 2?

[Liam]

Quote: BrTurin

Secretly, "how the rest were financed, except for" Eurobonds in the amount of 1 billion "

In secret and only to you ... exactly the same ...

Volume Placement date Maturity date Currency Coupon (%)

1,0 billion 17.11.2016/17.11.2023/3,125 XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX EUR XNUMX

0,5 billion 30.11.2016/30.11.2021/2,75 XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX CHF XNUMX

0,75 billion 23.03.2017/23.03.2027/4,95 XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX USD XNUMX

0,85 billion 06.04.2017/06.04.2024/4,25 XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX GBP XNUMX

0,5 billion 19.07.2017/19.07.2022/2,25 XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX CHF XNUMX

0,75 billion 22.11.2017/22.11.2024/2,25 XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX EUR XNUMX

0,75 billion 06.03.2018/06.03.2023/1,45 XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX CHF XNUMX

0,75 billion 21.03.2018/21.03.2026/2,50 XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX EUR XNUMX

1 billion 16.11.2018/24.01.2024/2,949 XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX EUR XNUMX

1,25 billion 11.02.2019/11.02.2026/5,15 XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX USD XNUMX
Eurobonds issued outside the medium-term bond program (EMTN program)

Volume Placement date Maturity date Currency Coupon (%)
65 billion 18.12.2018/18.12.2028/XNUMX XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX JPY

[Brturin]

So far I see a list of placed Eurobonds and ... there is evidence that they were bought by the French Engie, the Dutch-British Shell, the Austrian OMV and the German Uniper and Wintershall in the amount of financing SP-2. But the Bundestag adopted the amendments, referring to the protection of German investments, I hope someone will explain to them that this is not so and we will see a huge scandal, undermining the reputation ... or maybe not .... Money is invested in SP-2 and it remains not so a lot to finish it ... so

Quote: BrTurin

So let's see who is more professional - those who doubt or professionals "on the very serious site Neftegas.Ru"

[Liam]

Quote: BrTurin

Money invested in SP-2

Of course invested). Europeans gave loans to Gazprom and bought its regional bonds
The head of OMV spoke about the financing of Nord Stream 2
09:19, December 10, 2018

VIENNA, Dec 10 - RIA Novosti. The Austrian oil and gas concern OMV has already invested 2 million euros in the Nord Stream 531 project and will continue financing in 2019, the head of the concern Rainer Seele told RIA Novosti.
“To date, we have transferred 531 million euros for the implementation of the project,” Seele said, specifying that it is a period until the end of the third quarter of 2018.

According to him, the amount of funding in 2019 will depend on progress in the implementation of the project.
"It depends on how much Nord Stream 2 will request for 2019. We have framework loan agreement, within the framework of which the company Nord Stream 2 can request amounts from us, "he added.

The only shareholder of the project operator, Nord Stream 2 AG, is Gazprom".

[Brturin]

Quote: Liam

It depends on how much Nord Stream 2 will request for 2019. We have framework loan agreement, under which Nord Stream 2 may request amounts from us "

And where does Gazprom’s Eurobonds ... On July 22, 2016, the Polish antitrust regulator refused to establish a joint venture with Gazprom and European companies and another financial scheme was chosen to circumvent this ban. Nord Stream 2 participants lend to companies, paying certain amounts (as an example, the Austrian In the first quarter of 2019, OMV oil and gas company invested € 2 million in financing the construction of the Nord Stream-44 gas pipeline. This is evidenced by the company's report. For the same period in 2018, the company allocated € 81 million for these purposes). And for the entire time of construction, no one questioned this scheme (Poles - they have their own opinion, but their claims to European companies)

[Liam]

This is how they "finance" ... buying Eurobonds (at interest) and issuing loans (also at interest, naturally). Gazprom is building a pipe on them, which it will give to them due to the fact that a year ago the governments of the countries belonging to these creditors of the pipe SUDDENLY decided that SP-2 falls under the 3rd energy package and will pay them for pumping gas through the end of the pipe itself). And naturally it will return the loans issued to them

[Brturin]

In addition to logical constructions, there is other evidence for the existence of such a scheme. For some, this will be an argument, for others ... why should giant companies get involved with such schemes and risk their reputation (to deceive investors - to claim that they finance themselves, but use borrowed funds) ... and even explain to the Polish anti-monopoly authorities who are trying to write out fines (%% from loans that will go to fines for the Poles?) .... and in the states no one noticed such a scheme that could compromise SP-2 and the participating companies ??? ... "Before vote, the (Senate Foreign Policy) committee should consider whether sanctions against our NATO allies, as well as against a neutral third party (Switzerland), are a good anti-Russian strategy "- Senator Rand Paul. We also need to explain to him that the sanctions against SP-2 are only sanctions against Gazprom ...

Quote: Liam

a year ago, the governments of the countries belonging to these pipe lenders SUDDENLY

and then Germany, as the host country, adopts amendments allowing to withdraw this project from 3 e / packages ...
Money has already been invested ... we will see the final part ....

[Liam]

In general, the Poles fined the French for not issuing all the required information on the transaction).
And where do you see the "muddy" schemes? Europeans give loans to Gazprom .. what is muddy or illegal in this? Gazprom is not under sanctions like BE. And the fact that Gazprom muddies the Russian information space and does not say that financing is just loans that must be returned is the problem of Gazprom and the gullible public. SP-2 is primarily a political project and no one hides this. And you have to pay for it. there is no move for Gazprom (and the Russian Federation) in this project, even if it is unprofitable. Everyone realizes this and everyone "welds" on this. The Americans are promoting their gas, and the Europeans are removing coupons from both of them - win-win loans and constantly decreasing prices for gas due to a fight between suppliers for the European market

[Brturin]

Quote: Liam

And where do you see the "muddy" schemes? Europeans give loans to Gazprom .. what is muddy or illegal in this?

That Europeans are lending to SP-2, no one denies this (if it were not for the Poles, it would be different). Does Gazprom lend to Europeans to lend to SP-2 - in this world there is nothing to be denied, but for me it somehow ??????. If there is evidence for this ....

Quote: Liam

SP-2 is primarily a political project and no one is hiding it. And you have to pay for it. There is no reverse stroke for Gazprom (and the Russian Federation) in this project, even if it is unprofitable.

Time will tell whether it will be unprofitable - if Trump stops the trade wars, if there is no crisis in the economy, if there are cold winters ... there are too many unknowns in this equation. To pay ... Russia has already paid for leaving the ports of the Baltic states, but for some reason neither the states nor Europe ....

Quote: Liam

ever-declining gas prices due to fights between suppliers over the European market

Try-on is possible when it was precisely because of the fight that prices fell. Lithuania has set up a terminal, only here are the prices that Achema is suing the government ... The current decline in gas prices is a decrease in oil prices and trade wars ...

[Liam]

Quote: BrTurin

Does Gazprom lend to Europeans to lend to SP-2

Where did you get this? Gazprom is in debt as in silk-Eurobonds, loans, etc. All pipes are built on credit and at interest. The costs of pipes are all at Gazprom. The revenues will be shared with creditors. For without their lobbying opportunities, a pipe cannot be built a priori.

Quote: BrTurin

Will it be unprofitable time will tell

You have such a chip .. no arguments, hide behind foggy Time will tell

Quote: BrTurin

Example

Let me remind you that some 5/6 years ago, 1000 cubes to Europe went for 400/500 dollars. And someone dreamed about the trillion (in dollars) quotes of Gazprom. Now gas goes 150 or so and everyone lined up with their pipes and gas tankers in order to be allowed into the European market. and they are waging price wars among themselves who will sell gas to Europe for less

[Liam]

Quote: BrTurin

The money was invested in SP-2 and there isn’t much left to finish building it ... so

So if and when they finish building, due to the impossibility to bypass the third energy package, which requires the separation of the pipe operator and the gas supplier, Gazprom will be forced to transfer control of the gas pipeline to an independent concern (presumably consisting of designated partners), and it will drive gas and pay them for pumping gas through a pipe that he built on his own and repay loans, redeem bonds for construction and regularly pay interest on them

[carstorm 11]

and what then will these pipe-owning companies earn from? there are not many of them in the world and there is a very limited amount of work for them. it is a niche business. touching them is a prospect of getting problems for yourself. suddenly you’ll need styling someday and you wrinkled them before that. not. if they are touched it is very lightly. anyway, no one will build such a technique for themselves. it's expensive and stupid when you consider that such work is not a stream.

[shinobi]

Well, dill wants a lot, at the expense of Gazprom (to say Russia) and something else they would spit in our direction. As a result, they won’t get anything. Moreover, in the long term (for a year or two, they sign it) to sign means to take expenses for maintenance and repair of hydraulic structures of a non-friendly state are simply not needed after completion of SP-2.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: shinobi

Moreover, to conclude a contract in the long term (for a year or two, to sign it) means to incur expenses for maintenance and repair of hydraulic structures of a non-friendly state, which is simply not needed after completion of SP-2.

If in the long term, there is also our interest in maintaining transit through the Ukrainian GTS, but it all depends on how the card will fit. It is no secret that this gas pipeline was built in the USSR and worked properly for 30 years until it ran into "schiry and Svidomo" who were playing with an American tambourine. If, in the future, adequate politicians come to power in Ukraine (who will give them?), Then the presence of one more route besides the newly created ones, meets our interests, as an earner and supplier, simply for the reason that we are still dependent on the whims of the same Turkey , or Germany, through which the Turkish and Nordic streams will pass. Maybe they will not put sticks in our wheels, or maybe they will drink tea and agree that it is possible to resist transit in order to reduce the price of gas for the transit country, or ... Now, of course, the Power of Siberia has acted as a counterweight, which suggests that the light has not converged like a wedge in the European market, but nevertheless, it is in our interests to drive at least 10-15 billion cubic meters of gas through the Ukrainian pipe to maintain it in working order. Even if Ukraine breaks up into several independent economic entities, each of them will cling to this pipe with its teeth. this is a stable income, and the loss of the monopoly on transit will make them accommodating, as long as gas is pumped through their territory.

Quote: shinobi

Moreover, a contract in the long term (for a year or two, they will sign it) to conclude means to incur expenses for maintenance and repair of hydraulic structures of a non-friendly state

Here by. Transiter is responsible for transit, and we are responsible for filling.

[shinobi]

If this were so, Ukraine would not put forward delusional demands.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: shinobi

If this were so, Ukraine would not put forward delusional demands.

Ukraine and delirium are one and the same.

[Vladimir_2U]

I don’t trust this gas, no, of course at the thermal power station, but in everyday life ... Too many people have sunk intellectually, it may not even explode, but the neighbors of the khanig are generally easy.

[shinobi]

Honygi neighbors, yes! It's scary. But I can reassure you a little so that the household gas burst should certain rather rare circumstances develop. "Mythbusters" have a good video on this topic. That is, the same 9,5% gas in a confined space in the absence of ventilation must still be able to achieve. But yes, everything is possible. Moreover, we had such a case in the city. The truth was not the bichhata, but the editorial office of the newspaper due to the fault of the communal workers. Somewhere there was a small fistula, or did not find out, the smell of gas was present. Complaints to the gas company were and lasted more than one month. On a weekend day, in calm weather at the beginning of summer, it exploded. The building cracked in half, thank the eggs there were no casualties, there were ordinary apartments above the editorial office. Something like this. ...

[NKT]

Indoors explosive mixture of methane with air from 4% to 18%. 9.5% is the most explosive concentration.

[Old bun]

how did the states get it already. all over the world they stick their nose into every crevice. they want to lead all and push around. I don’t even know. I’m probably starting to enjoy the rise of China. it's time for the world to become multipolar again, it's time

[knn54]

One of the leading US oil and gas companies "ExxonMobil" (due to JV-2) is urgently selling its European assets, and prices are reaching junk. Of course the Yankees are furious ..
And the fact that sanctions were included in the military budget speaks of a new level, maybe not war, but dirty tricks / sabotage are quite real.

[lucul]

One of the leading US oil and gas companies "ExxonMobil" (due to JV-2) is urgently selling its European assets, and prices are reaching junk. Of course the Yankees are furious ..

They understand that now they will have to contain Ukraine completely, which quietly steal gas. Remember the scandals with this? Since then, nothing has changed. And after SP-2, everything will change - hence the hysteria of Ukraine ....

[Igorpl]

Europe declares diversification, but so far Russia only realizes it. West, East and LNG.

[Igorpl]

Although, I personally would be glad to develop domestic gas consumption and its processing.

[carstorm 11]

we consume 70 percent of the gas that we produce generally.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: carstorm 11

we consume 70 percent of the gas that we produce generally.

What ceiling is the information from?

[NKT]

From the Ministry of Energy.
https://minenergo.gov.ru/node/1215
Mining - 725, export - 245, total balance - 480.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: NKT

export - 245,

There is no such data in the link you provided.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

It is assumed that a number of companies from Germany and Switzerland will fall under the sanctions .... wonderful, beat your own so that others would be afraid. Well, in general, the tendency to impose sanctions on anyone without any benefit is the idea of ​​frigid fives which at the helm of the Western world bred like cockroaches in a bath, I remember during the Cold War there was specifics, IMBARGO and not any sanctions. this is a sledgehammer, and palm sanctions on ...

[Andrey Chistyakov]

The word is, Embargo.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

The word is- Embargo ..... and what, does it change the essence?

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

The word is- Embargo ..... and what, does it change the essence?

For you, no. I agree. Just such "abstruse" speeches. A simple word through and write.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

And a simple word through and write ...... well, I'm not at a dictation, so I allow myself such a luxury, do you agree in everything else?

[Kerensky]

Let me remind you of the history of Karabas in Odessa (anyone interested will find it). He also "climbed on the wrong pipe" ...

[Chaldon48]

Waving hands and fists, than not gymnastics, having trained, you can start waving weights, it’s already scary, they might get scared, and they will start to spend money on American gas?

[Kurare]

The United States plans to impose sanctions on the Nord Stream-2 pipeline by the end of the year, writes the German newspaper Bild.

Bild, as always, in his repertoire! He rubs his hands and rejoices that it is possible to somehow annoy Russia! I don’t understand how Putin gave them an interview then, even 3 hours with a Bild reporter. And all just for the sake of this yellow newspaper, he poured a bowl of slops on him, and on Russia.

[monah]

Strange comments on the Security Council and spot organizations, they have long been not Russian!

[Mouse]

Today, December 2, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping will launch the Power of Siberia gas pipeline in an international teleconference.

turn on the TV box for the sake of such a case ... and then got dusty completely ... .

[Dzafdet]

here the reason is simple: the Americans want to sell their gas themselves and recoup the costs of the 404 project. Now, the 404 country is already trying to recover money from Gazprom, having forgotten about its debt of 3 billion dollars. And there the meter drips every day. And what are our Kremlin boats waiting for? It’s time to start the seizure of 404 assets of the country wherever ....

[From Siberia we]

For the slow-witted. Go outside at 2 in the morning. Find a company of deaf in the gateway and take the money from them. Arrestor

[Dzafdet]

For the understanding: the French gouged Libya, because they owed 40 billion dollars. Now they are not remembered. We are waiting for the meter to accumulate 40 billion debt?

[askort154]

The United States plans to impose sanctions on the Nord Stream-2 pipeline by the end of the year, writes the German newspaper Bild.

Late to drink Borjomi. Today it remains to pass by sea - 93 km.
Laying speed - 6 km / day. Total: 17-18. December, the pipe is "pulled" to the shore.
If anything, in the German port there is a Russian pipe-laying barge "Favorit" under the "steam". The laying speed will decrease, but we will hold out the pipe. I have everything under control!

[Alsur]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

Let the United States impose sanctions against its main ally in the World of the European Union,

Oh, that's not what we're talking about, gentlemen, comrades. Speaking with concern, we must say that Russia, or rather its authorities, is increasing energy trade. Those. raw materials! Without any processing!
Oil without processing, gas without processing, timber without processing, grain without processing, etc. Rulers do not understand that this is bad? Understand, but do nothing, or do, but not fully. Why?
Yes, I know that a gas processing plant is being built that goes to China, and the one that goes to Europe, Turkey?
Personally, I really do not like it. And you?

You have not heard of the Yamal LNG project for liquefaction of natural gas, it has already been released, the railway is being modernized for it, the project of the northern latitudinal passage, with the construction of a large bridge, comparable in complexity with the Crimean one, which will connect the Northern Sverdlovsk railway. Etc., don't you know that?

[haanan]

That's how we get off the oil and gas needle

[KJIETyc]

Quote: Oyo Sarkazmi

Quote: Vladimir16

It seems that shopaholics are leading the country.

Not shopaholics. Shovel students. For which jeans and chewing gum are the pinnacles of civilization

What other shovels? Liberal! DO NOT confuse Companions with the Lord.

[eklmn]

Today:
“Europe has fallen off gas prices”
https://lenta.ru/news/2019/12/02/so_sad/
“In the third quarter, the average price per thousand cubic meters, taking into account excise taxes and customs duties, was $ 169,8. A year ago, over the same period, it exceeded $ 250, meaning a drop in annual terms of 32 percent. ”
“The reason for this price reduction was the excess supply on the market, which was formed due to liquefied natural gas (LNG). The cost of LNG in Asia has doubled, after which manufacturers began sending gas carriers to Europe. ”
And now, gentlemen, consider how many decades he will pay off. If the Power of Siberia launched today can pay off (at yesterday's prices) in 10-15 years, then at today's gas prices - in 20-30 years. And according to the laws of Europe it is impossible to own a pipe and gas - Gazprom is obliged to pass 45% of gas from another supplier through the pipe.
With such a gas price, it’s more profitable to sell on the domestic market today. You look and there will be gasification of the whole country, about which Lenin spoke and dreamed ...

[Carib]

It's time to introduce transferable rubles or mutual or any other .... How the USSR traded with CMEA.

[cat Rusich]

the usa may "wave its fists", but by "hitting" the EU, the usa risks knocking out the EU.