In Greece: Tests in Turkey S-400 air defense systems on the F-16 should be the "last straw" for the United States

The Greek press responded to Turkey’s testing of radars from S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems purchased from Russia. Recall that Turkey tested the S-400 radar using combat aviation, including F-16 fighters.

The Hellas Journal has published material stating that the Turkish president is "blackmailing Donald Trump." At the same time, the author of the material asks the question, “when will the US punish Turkey for military-technical deals with Russia?”

From the material:

Many people in Greece and Cyprus are tired of reading news about the C-400 system purchased by Turkey from Russia. This is an anti-American and anti-NATO act, for which the occupying forces (in Greece, Turkey is accused of occupying the northern part of Cyprus, approx. “VO”) were not punished. Any other country that would buy Russian systems would accept the wrath of America. The Pentagon and the State Department, with their official and public statements, have predisposed us that receiving C-400 for Turkey means severe sanctions in accordance with the famous CAATSA law.

The Greek publication notes that in addition to the refusal to cooperate on F-35, the USA does not apply any sanctions to Turkey.

Further, the author actually accuses Donald Trump of inaction, saying that he is "not the most popular president in the United States."
The author of the article hopes that Erdogan will be “pressed” during the NATO summit.

The article notes that the tests of the S-400 radar on the F-16 and F-4E should be the “last straw” for Recep Erdogan’s anti-NATO policy for the United States.

From the material:

The Greek delegation at the summit will not be silent. After all, the Russian air defense systems in Turkey are a threat primarily to Greece and Cyprus. Greece should not tolerate fraud from NATO partners.

At the same time, the Hellas Journal for some reason did not remember that Greece also has Russian air defense systems - S-300 air defense systems, which at one time were moved from Cyprus.

Comments

[Alien From]

Envy silently, Greeks!

[Alexander Petrov1]

Oh, in the photo, our beloved Ural - I just love the Seagull.

[Shurik70]

Turkey has recently published a map of its "territorial waters", and significantly ousted Greece on it.
The Greeks now come out of bile, so objectivity towards Turkey cannot be expected from them.

[Oquzyurd]

Rather, an economic zone

[To be or not to be]

Alien From (Alien From) Today, 09:32
+1
Silently envy, Greeks! "
1. That's the whole point of NATO. There is no unity within the block. The weak complain to the "overseer" of the block so that he should punish. those who offend the weak. When Greece purchased the Russian S-300PMU1-12 PU and 9K331 Tor-M1 -4 complex, Turkey silently accepted
2. We are waiting for what the President of Turkey Mr. Erdogan will answer.
An excellent opportunity for him was given by Greece. To once again frown at NATO ... and think about why Turkey needs NATO and buy another S-400 air defense regiment

[venik]

Quote: Alien From

Envy silently, Greeks!

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WHAT is surprising? When the S-300 was bought from the Russian Federation, everything was "NORMALYOK" ..... Well, now (when the mattress covers "pinched the tail" - so "Russians - already bad! ".....
Conclusion: "They would buy themselves - and" there would be no problems "....
And so, when the "tail is pinched" - so we begin "Meow!" yell! Before you had to think !!!
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I remembered the "bearded" anecdote:
Aunt Matryona neighbor complains:
- Daughter something sour, then salty all the time pulls - I do not know what to think? Maybe what is missing in the body?
Neighbor:
- In organism - not enough brains!!! But to think - it was necessary EARLIER!!!

[seregatara1969]

the Turks have the second most powerful army from NATO countries. this must be reckoned with. although America does not like independent states to itch in all five points

[The leader of the Redskins]

Second for NATO? All the same, they are far from the most powerful European army !!!

[Mestny]

Do you mean the descendants of ancient ukrov?

[Mountain shooter]

In addition to itching, there is also a practical side. Even if you want to "run over" the Turks about the same Cyprus, it will become even more difficult ... Striped ears will not help !!! It's just a pattern break ...

[maidan.izrailovich]

the Turks have the second most powerful army from the countries ....

The second largest, but by relics is not a fact.

[zadorin1974]

Well, you’re evil. The Turkish Navy is quite modern (and they build good URO frigates themselves). Most of the Air Forces consist of F 16 (261 units). The ground forces have problems with severe obsolescence of the tank fleet (320 leopolds 2A4 do not count not enough) but with Altai they will quickly change the curve, they can do it. Well, what proud Greeks cry is understandable. The main staff of the Air Force is still the same FU 16 (though very well-worn) While the Greeks themselves use our C 300 and TOP - M1

[Grits]

I would love to see how the Turks and Greeks clashed in the fray. Without any outside support.

[zadorin1974]

For the Greeks, this will end very sadly. Like beating minors. Elina is not at all the same))))))

[Sergej1972]

Rather, the second most powerful ground forces in NATO. The same cannot be said about the Turkish Navy and Air Force.

[To be or not to be]

According to various estimates, the Turkish Armed Forces -7 -9 place in the rating
https://ee.sputniknews.ru/infographics/20190325/15352004/samie-silnie-armii-mira.html
https://militaryarms.ru/armii-mira/rejting-silnejshix-armij-mira-top-10/

[Oquzyurd]

Everything is taken into account and in terms of total power Turkey is really the second force. Moreover, unlike the Europeans, the Turkish army is at war, in a constant tone, and very devoted soldiers to their commanders and to their homeland. Trump admitted that the Turks go to war as they go for lunch)

[Alexander Petrov1]

By its strength, Turkey cannot be a priori 2 in NATO, because it does not have a full cycle of nuclear weapons, and it has more soldiers, but this is cannon fodder, and the most powerful NATO country after the United States is nuclear France ...

[Sergej1972]

Then the third nuclear is Great Britain. But still, without taking into account nuclear weapons, the Turkish ground forces are second to NATO after the US Army (Ground Forces).

[Alexander Petrov1]

Listen in a local conflict, yes, the number of troops affects, and in the global one, and if even Britain has 1000 soldiers, no one will conquer it, because it has nuclear weapons ...

[Grits]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

Listen in a local conflict, yes, the number of troops affects, and in the global one, and if even Britain has 1000 soldiers, no one will conquer it, because it has nuclear weapons ...

Even if we discard nuclear weapons, the number of troops and equipment is not an indicator. Not even an indicator of the training and morale of the soldiers. The main thing is geography. That is, the area of ​​warfare. From this you have to dance.
For example - conditionally grappled - France and Turkey. Who will bite anyone? Here it is useless to figure the number of tanks and infantry, helicopters, etc. The question immediately is - where did they get together? If somewhere in Algeria or on the Cote d'Azur - this is one result. And if somewhere in the Dardanelles - this will be a completely different result.

[Roman1970_1]

the Turks have the second most powerful army from NATO countries.

Where is France with England?
France and England have their own production and technology, and they are much richer than the not very rich Turkey.
Let me remind you that Turkey acquired on credit s400

[voyaka uh]

Turkey has a large and modernly equipped land army.
Much larger in number than France. England has almost no ground forces: one tank-mechanized brigade and several good special forces.

[volodimer]

You are right, in terms of the land army existing in it, Turkey is a strong player, and in the region it can be overwhelmed (we have no such goal) only Russia. Discord in NATO is buzzing.
Now the situation is similar to the Crimean War, then England and France were financial generators, and the Turks were cannon fodder.
But the difference: Erdogan does not want to carry chestnuts for others ... But this alignment suits us,
But to discount Turkey as a non-nuclear one is not worth it ... England-France .. they are less trouble.

[Ru_Na]

Turkey is the only country in NATO, with the exception of the United States, which pursues foreign policy in accordance with its national interests, ignoring shouts from Washington! In this regard, the Greeks and other members of the alliance should ponder, rather than yapping at the owner’s decree!

[maidan.izrailovich]

Turkey, the only country in NATO, with the exception of the United States, which conducts foreign policy in accordance with its national interests ....

Once at de Gaulle, France did the same. As a result, she had to leave the military structures of NATO.
NATO was created to protect the interests of the Anglo-Saxons (USA and England).
Sooner or later, Turkey will have a question. What is more important? Continue to pursue your policy, or participation in NATO is more important.

[Fat]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

Turkey, the only country in NATO, with the exception of the United States, which conducts foreign policy in accordance with its national interests ....

Once at de Gaulle, France did the same. As a result, she had to leave the military structures of NATO.
NATO was created to protect the interests of the Anglo-Saxons (USA and England).
Sooner or later, Turkey will have a question. What is more important? Continue to pursue your policy, or participation in NATO is more important.

1966 France decides to withdraw from the integrated command structure of the Alliance. This decision does not in any way call into question France’s determination to participate in collective defense: according to General de Gaulle, it is about “changing the shape of our Alliance without changing anything in essence” .https: //www.diplomatie. gouv.fr/ru/politique-etrangere/bezopasnost-razoruzhenie-i-neraspostranenie/la-france-et-l-otan/
France never left the military.

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Well yes. The last straw for Erdogan was an attempt.
NATO "allies-partners".

[demo]

If earlier Greece was perceived as the cradle of civilization, as the territory where the first democratic city-states appeared, as the land that gave the world the first scientists and philosophers, athletes and warriors, then after 300 years of assimilation by the Ottomans, the Greeks ceased to be perceived as a fraternal state for me.
And their howl about Turkey is the squeal of a jackal, who cannot do anything on his own, but calls for a flock of help.
Do not like the behavior of Turkey?
Throw them out of Cyprus.
Drive the Turks out of there.
Feel free to mobilize and go on the attack.
Scary?
So sit and do not blather.
One thing is frustrating that they are Orthodox.
But even this is already corrupted, to the impossibility.

[DenZ]

Well, what remains for them to do? S-400 to buy from Russia? Not at all, .EC made them a chronic debtor and their economic and real warriors, at least with Turkey, were lost a priori.

[knn54]

What else can you expect from a "beloved wife"
When the Armenian-Jewish Jew was born crying, and when the Greek-born Armenian cried, too ...

[Soveticos]

There is as much in common between ancient Greeks and modern as between a penguin and an ostrich.

[demo]

You tell the Greeks. Or the Egyptians. And also to the Sumerians, in the guise of modern dill.
The absence of reasons to be proud of one’s current country leads to the start of epic heroes in the thickness of millennia.

Remember how much screeching, snot, saliva, was about Macedonia.
How many "great Greeks" demanded to change the name.
Petty nation. Requires increased attention.

[Pancho]

Eka, how are you offended for Turkey! It's okay that they shot down our plane and killed the pilot, and also killed the ambassador, as well as the Turkomans in Syria, again shot down our plane and the pilot died, but the Greeks do not meet your Orthodox canons. -will be stuck in? Well, well. It's only bitter that because of such strategists, the people of Russia will correct these mistakes, or rather crimes, with the lives of their sons. Damansky and Zhanashkol lake? Again, our blockheads are stepping on the same rake.

[demo]

You, comrade, do not boil.
And do not attribute to me that which is not.
If I criticize the Greeks, then this does not mean at all that I support the Turks.
You might as well say that I am a supporter of the Americans, so they support the Greeks.

For me, for the Russian, one thing is vital - that the enemies of Russia, alone (Ukraine), or in a union (NATO) as often as possible. and preferably up to blood snot, clung to each other.
Available?

The rest of your fabrication, I will not spread.
If something from the statement is not clear, then ask. I will explain.
But to make hasty and unfounded conclusions is not worth it.

[Pancho]

Don't like US behavior?
Throw them out of North America.
Drive the damned Yankees out of there.
Feel free to mobilize and go on the attack.
Scary?
So sit and do not blather. PS I here allowed myself to rephrase you a little, draw your own conclusions. I can only recall the biblical parable about the mote in the eyes of others and the log in my own.

[demo]

I would love to take your practical advice.
But unfortunately I am not the leadership of Russia.
And Russia patiently endures all bullying.
The conversation was about the Greeks. And about their chronic rejection of Turkish quacks.
It was in this context that the discussion was going on.
And I will allow myself to quote the words of V. Vysotsky.
"But then the kid climbed in with the amendment.
Who does not work - does not eat!
You're confused, dad! "

[Pancho]

So the Greeks do not need to be associated with their government. Or can you, but they can not? And your quote from Vysotsky is completely off topic, maybe you wanted to let me know that you are familiar with the work of Vladimir Semenovich, I congratulate you on this.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Wow! Do Greeks connect to Chinese experts? Sooo reputable ....

[K-50]

Many people in Greece and Cyprus are already tired of reading the news about the S-400 system, purchased by Turkey from Russia. This is an anti-American and anti-NATO act, for which the occupying forces (in Greece, Turkey is accused of occupying the northern part of Cyprus, approx. “VO”) were not punished. Any other country that would buy Russian systems would accept the wrath of America.

They bend the one who bends, the core does not give this, but the amorphous do not care.

[Pacifist]

Any other country that would buy Russian systems would accept the wrath of America.

What ?! Greece previously bought the TOP and S-300 ... something I did not see anything about the anger of the United States ....

[cniza]

The Greek delegation at the summit will not be silent. After all, the Russian air defense systems in Turkey are a threat primarily to Greece and Cyprus. Greece should not tolerate fraud from NATO partners.

And the fact that in Greece there is S-300 nothing?

[gabonskijfront]

The S-400, before being sent, was consecrated according to all Orthodox canons, that’s all we could do for the Greeks.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: gabonskijfront

The S-400, before being sent, was consecrated according to all Orthodox canons, that’s all we could do for the Greeks.

Ha ha
Ours would officially respond to the Greeks. Yes, I'm afraid the Turks will be offended ... They will also try circumcision.

[Altai72]

How much it is necessary to be stubborn and arrogant in order to say such things. They snarl at the Turks for every reason. The squabble in NATO is in full swing. But NATO doesn’t want to remember about their S-300s?

[mammadov teymur]

at the end of the 1st mv some agreements of the Entente would have been signed (Russia had withdrawn from the Entente by that time) and Turkey, these agreements have not been disclosed to this day, but the Turks are not hiding waiting for 2023, after which they will take back 12 islands from which the Greeks are not happy about any military advantages of Turk

[Rwmos]

The NATO charter does not state that everyone is obligated to buy weapons only from the United States.
LETTERS: The United States altogether included sanctions against Nord Stream in the DEFENSE BUDGET, Who did not understand - To please LNG sellers from the USA, they are trying to break up NATO. This should be the last straw for the EU - it's time to throw the US out of NATO

[Rostislav Bely]

Turkey is becoming an independent player, which can be welcomed ... all the porridge with air defense is directly connected with Cyprus, the Israelis wanted to play the first violin there, and here such a bummer

[mammadov teymur]

we have our own aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean say Turks and this is Cyprus.

[askort154]

The Greek delegation at the summit will not be silent. After all, the Russian air defense systems in Turkey - is a threat primarily to Greece and Cyprus ....

Delirium without elementary logic, for the sake of the USA! Since when can a purely defensive weapon endanger security?
This is a threat to the attackers! Does Greece want to attack Turkey?

[Rostislav Bely]

everything is connected with gas deposits in Cyprus (on the Turkish side), the Turks are drilling there offshore ...

[Brturin]

Quote: Rostislav Bely

everything is connected with gas fields in Cyprus

"Everything", there are other irritants (as an example - https://topwar.ru/131386-erdogan-zayavil-o-neobhodimosti-peresmotret-mirnyy-dogovor-ot-1923-goda.html). And in Cyprus, Erdogan openly provokes the Greeks - at the launch of TONAP "Ankara acts within the framework of international rights, and now no screams and screams will force Turkey to withdraw the ships that are engaged in reconnaissance from there." And the article is a development of the Greek Prime Minister's statement to NATO - "The Alliance cannot be indifferent when one member openly violates international law and openly opposes another member." As we turned away after provocative statements at yesterday's opening ceremony of the TANAP pipeline, so and Europe opposes the violation of international rules. "

[Rostislav Bely]

Let's dot the "and" when "a" fell, "b" disappeared
Israel and the Gollans (gas exporter) are also a direct ally with Greece. They also want a gas pipe to the EU along with the connection to Greece, Egypt also has the largest field in the Mediterranean Sea Zuhr, only Egypt has it for its own needs, even imports gas from Israel ...
world prices and flows are ruled by consumers (with a parameter / limits per capita) and further gas chemistry (it is not for nothing that we have the largest gas chemical "factory" on the Amur under the "Power of Siberia" ...)

[Brturin]

Quote: Rostislav Bely

Israel and the Gollans (gas exporter) are a direct ally with Greece, too, they want a gas pipe to the EU along with the connection to Greece

To the question "Do you think EastMed has no chance?" - comrades from those places - voyaka uh (Alexey) November 20, 2019 The South European market is full of gas. It is safer to sell LNG to the Far East and India. "

[Rostislav Bely]

South of Europe is just a transit to the north, taking into account the fact that the Dutch cover their fields in the North Sea ... nothing happens from scratch, if you, for example, looked at the metal consumption in civil construction - in the EU it is higher than in Russia, i.e. the capacities of metallurgists are redesigned for flows and needs (this is not China in the times of Mao, when every village had a blast furnace with low-grade metal - in our prefabricated reinforced concrete, metal consumption fell by about 30% by the end of the USSR compared to the first "Khrushchebs" of the II-04 series for memory, respectively, and the price / cost falls)

[Brturin]

Quote: Rostislav Bely

The south of Europe is just transit to the north, given that the Dutch cover their deposits in the North Sea

Only poor OPAL is one of the continuations of SP-1 (which Germany defended in an EU court), and the continuation of SPG-2 EUGAL as a result comes to Austria ... it turns out movement from north to south .... One unpleasant moment can be remembered - explosion in Baumgarten - “Russian gas supplies to Italy through Austria were interrupted due to an accident there. According to EU regulatory and EU regulations, the Ministry introduces a state of emergency ”

[Rostislav Bely]

you are something off topic
The Netherlands recently announced that gas production in Europe’s largest field, Groningen, will not be completely stopped in 2030, as previously thought, but very soon in 2022.
All these trampling around Opal and etc. are informational background, but they looked at the fact that gas pipelines in the Czech Republic are supplied from Germany and this is not only the launch of GAZELLE and gas supplies from Ukraine lose their relevance ...

[Brturin]

Quote: Rostislav Bely

you are something off topic
The Netherlands recently announced

About the Dutch in the course, but back to the top "Israel with the Gollans (gas exporter) a direct ally with Greece, too, they want a gas pipeline to the EU along the way with connection to Greece." Israel wants to build a gas pipeline to Italy, and you think that the Italians will send gas to the north when they themselves take it from the Austrians. Austrian OMV is going to send gas from SP-2 to Italy and invested in this project - "The total cost of the project is 9,5 billion euros, our share is 10%," I don't think there are people there who are ready to throw money away, and EUGAL is not built in the direction of the Dutch. The Israelis can be understood - to build an expensive gas pipeline to Italy, which will soon receive Azerbaijani gas via TAPy, + Russian gas through the continuation of the TP - Bulgaria-Serbia-Hungary-Austria + from SP-2.

[Rostislav Bely]

Boris, what are you talking about, there is no profit a priori in the world economy, we are not trading with the alpha centauri to extract it - there is a reallocation of resources taking into account the quality of life (consumption) in an enterprise called the world economy, capitalism with expansionist profit has long been exhausted, nowhere to develop, everything has long been divided in the field of finance, the weak ones are the result of the world wars of the last century ... With the growth of the population, there will not be enough energy for all the resources on Earth ...
If you are talking about Ukraine, then Albanians and Kurds are made from this territory through macurtization (chemical castration, population reduction) - this is an instrument, but it is useless in relation to Russia

[mammadov teymur]

Americans in the Greek Islands are building military bases guess what if anyone suddenly has a headache other than the Turks

[protoss]

after reading the article, it becomes absolutely clear that the Greeks perceive NATO as a purely American office, in which the rest are just running errands for the owner. hence all these words about the "wrath" of America. and the Turks see NATO as a partnership of equal participants, without any reverence for the states or anyone else.

[evgen1221]

I wonder how this publication will sing when, in accordance with this caatsa, the Americans will begin to press Greece for selling olive oil to us and for receiving our tourists and generally for any transactions with us, I am silent about the Greek offshore)))

[rocket757]

In Greece: Tests in Turkey S-400 air defense systems on the F-16 should be the "last straw" for the United States

The Greeks have an old bastard with the Turks .... besides, you can become a bastard at the Cardinal!

[rotmistr60]

"When will the US punish Turkey for military-technical deals with Russia?"

The attitude of the Greeks towards the Turks is understandable, but in this case, you should still include your head for at least a minute. Turks may ask the Greeks a similar question on the S-300. Macron is dissatisfied with NATO, Merkel does not want to pay 2%, etc. And after that, try to prove to me that NATO is a single, united mechanism.

[kupitman]

One ally does not like another ally, strange ...
She must be there for gums to munch!

[Zaurbek]

Turks must be punished for a long time. And get out of NATO!

[Adinfka]

The Greeks are armed with S-300 integrated into the national air defense system, well, you can already upgrade, Crete can also be acquired in revenge of Turkey. Any whim ...

[YOUR]

The question is, what should the Turks test their air defense systems on? If they have no other planes.

[Chaldon48]

And what will happen when Turkey starts buying fighters from Russia? As if a stroke did not happen at the head of the White House.

[Klingon]

The rogue Greeks, as you already got it, live only at the expense of German subsidies, like gypsies, they don’t produce anything themselves, they still croak, they would be silent in a pipe.

[Pancho]

And you are richer, right? And that's why you turn down to the Greeks, where is so much snobbery, were you born in the Louvre? And you produce a lot of things, can you give an example? Now I'm sitting at a computer and I don't see almost anything Russian-made around me. Just how patriots grieved for the Germans and the Turks, for the "brotherly" peoples closest to us. Maybe it's time to worry about the Russians. I would gladly live for account of the Germans.

[kill the fascist]

Funny Greeks. The Turks are testing the radar on those planes that they have ... well, and perhaps also suggest which planes they will have to hack with.

[Altai72]

Greece - a member of NATO - in 1999 and 2004 signed new agreements with Russia for the purchase of medium-and low-altitude air defense systems Tor-M1 and Osa. Currently, these Russian systems are an integral part of Greek air defense and are deployed in the Greek part of Cyprus. The S-300 and Tor M1 also have radar systems that threaten the F-35. Their USA, apparently, does not consider a threat. This is probably somehow due to the fact that the aforementioned air defense systems are older than the S-300 and less advanced, as well as the fact that they no longer require a direct Russian presence (advisers, instructors, technical specialists).

[NBV]

After an attempted coup in Turkey, Erdogan wants to protect himself as an independent NATO defense. Since it still does not have its own missiles with the same performance as the C 400, Turkey buys them from Russia. Erdogan is simply afraid that the Americans will block Patriat, and some other crazy hanm may bomb on his barn.

[Altai72]

The total amount of aid provided by Greece to Europe and the IMF reached 160 billion euros with a population of 11 million people. And now Moska got fed up on the elephant?

[3dfocus]

Who would write such articles, but not the Greeks with their C300. The Indians have already told the states everything about possible sanctions and the passage of American products past their defense industry, the Chinese may not say anything at all, the first economy is five minutes away ... From the Turks there is less money you can try to bend ... And about component testing With 400 Turks and indignation, the surprises associated with this, it’s a completely clinic ... What did they think that the Turks bought them for the parades !?

[Kaw]

It is necessary for the Greeks, also to offer the S-400. Or Su-57, as a means of combating the S-400

[Ros 56]

Yes, there were Greeks at one time, not like the current tribe. It's nice to read about those, though myths.

[Klingon]

Quote: Pancho

And you are richer, right? And that's why you turn down to the Greeks, where is so much snobbery, were you born in the Louvre? And you produce a lot of things, can you give an example? Now I'm sitting at a computer and I don't see almost anything Russian-made around me. Just how patriots grieved for the Germans and the Turks, for the "brotherly" peoples closest to us. Maybe it's time to worry about the Russians. I would gladly live for account of the Germans.

rya-kla-kla? did they say everything? now remove the cap and let off steam

[VyacheSeymour]

Greek rode across the river...
He slipped the Greek ...- Oh !! ..- by someone - it bore me ?!

[Lena Petrova]

Quote: knn54

What else can you expect from a "beloved wife"
When the Armenian-Jewish Jew was born crying, and when the Greek-born Armenian cried, too ...

And when was the Ukrainian born?

[Andrei. BUT.]

The world is on the brink of a major war: territorial claims, an increase in armaments, muscle flexing, the decline of the "world gendarme" .. People very quickly forget the lessons of history ..