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Will Putinism survive Putinism? Russian question of the Frenchman Macron

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Project "ZZ". The European press tells how French President Macron is meeting Putin. For example, this concerns the issue of nuclear missiles and European security. Macron insists: the Kremlin’s proposal for a moratorium on the deployment of medium-range missiles should be considered. The French president is splitting the NATO camp: after all, alliance members have so far rejected Putin’s corresponding proposal. But Macron insists: it is time to “rethink strategic relations” between the EU and the Russian Federation. However, experts whose opinions are quoted in foreign newspapers do not believe in a change in relationship. Moreover, experts are confident that Putinism is so strong that it will survive Putin.



We will call Russia European


German Speech About French Speech “Against NATO Line” «Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung».


The French president, who wrote a letter to V. Putin “on the important issue of nuclear safety in Europe”, expressed his readiness not only to consider the Kremlin’s proposal to introduce a moratorium on medium-range nuclear missiles, but even to “consider in detail”. The letter is in the editorial office of a German newspaper, according to correspondents L. Hemiker and M. Vigel. The President suggested holding discussions in the framework of bilateral and multilateral negotiations with all interested countries.

However, earlier NATO members rejected the corresponding proposal of Russia, recalls the German publication. Mr. Stoltenberg has repeatedly characterized this moratorium as "implausible."

Moscow offers a moratorium on those weapons systems that it has placed for many years. And the 29 NATO countries today adhere to the following understanding of the issue: Moscow deployed SSC-8 medium-range missiles and itself violated the INF. According to Western experts, the SSC-8 is capable of flying up to 2000 kilometers.

The United States withdrew from the treaty in early February this year. France and Germany "expressed regret." Macron became the politician who advocated preventing a new nuclear arms race and maintaining Europe’s security. In mid-August 2019, he publicly advocated Russia's integration into the new European security architecture, reporters recall. Earlier, in November 2016, he declared that he was striving for an "independent European policy" in relation to Russia, a policy that would not be dictated by American ideas. He invited Putin to his summer residence in Fort Bregancon on the Cote d'Azur and fantasized there about the idea of ​​"Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok."


In a conversation with Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung correspondents and other journalists, Macron emphasized that Europe is now threatened by an arms race. Therefore, it is important to create a new contractual framework based on the participation of the Russian Federation. Europe must take the lead, Europe should not be in the hands of other powers. Russia taking into account stories and geography Macron called "European power." And the more Europe emphasizes this fact, the more “European” Russia will be, the French leader believes.

Is Putinism Livelier than Putin?


Calling to “rethink strategic relations” between the European Union and Russia, French President Emmanuel Macron found “very little support, including among countries such as Italy, whose successive leaders have been steadily maintaining warm relations with Vladimir Putin for twenty years,” writes «Le Monde».

The idea of ​​a rapprochement with Moscow, which Macron upheld in an November interview with The Economist, provoked skepticism or misunderstanding - and this is at best, says Isabelle Mandro in Le Monde.

Donald Tusk, leaving the post of President of the European Council, was not able to remain silent after this interview. “When I hear,” he remarked, “as Macron says that“ we need to reconsider our relations with Russia, ”I can only express hope that this will not happen due to our common dream of European sovereignty.”

Experts at the British Chatham House center, J. Nixey and M. Buleg, criticized Macron's policy, noting its inconsistency. In their opinion, there is simply no such second leader, who is so controversial about Moscow. Emmanuel Macron reprimands the Kremlin about the suppression of opposition protests in Moscow and immediately declares the "unity" of Europe and Russia.


The article by I. Mandro refers to the "context of mistrust" towards Russia. In a recent study, “The Last Offended: The First Diplomats After Vladimir Putin,” the EFCR (European Council on Foreign Relations) analytical center held on condition of anonymity a meeting with future diplomats, graduates of MGIMO. Based on the statements of young people, the report revealed a gap in relations between Russia and the West. It turned out that the young diplomats did not reveal any connection with the West. Moreover, on the contrary, the author of the report, K. Liik, notes that the visions of these people depicted a fragmented world with different actors. And in this world, Russia either stands apart or is in the circle of non-Western states. Therefore, Europe does not need to rely on the fact that after Putin’s resignation from the presidency, “the optimism of the 1990’s” will return.

Experts agree: in Russia's foreign policy, “Putinism will survive Putin,” summarizes I. Mandro.

IFRI Director Tatyana Kastueva-Jean, cited by the publication, has an even tougher opinion. She says bluntly: "2014 year is the point of no return ... there is no light at the end of the tunnel."


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Europe, which I would like by the end of the second decade of the 21st century, to see Russia of the 1990s model, is categorically against the rapprochement with Moscow, which the tireless president of France has been talking about in recent months. Strongly against rapprochement and NATO.

Where will such a “strategic” initiative of the peace-loving Macron lead? If this gifted speaker had managed to convince at least something of his implacable opponents, he would have paved the way for the Nobel Peace Prize.
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  1. NF68
    NF68 3 December 2019 15: 34
    +3
    No matter how Macron was accused of being an agent of Putin.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 3 December 2019 15: 44
      +11
      Will Putinism survive Putinism? Russian question of the Frenchman Macron

      The external course will largely depend on the political system of Russia, if the socialists come, it will not inevitably change, but with time it will become tougher .. if they remain the same, the course will not change much, maybe even more malleable .. here from many factors will depend ..
      And in internal affairs, if from the point of view of the corruption vertical one looks and the receiver will be the same liberal .. Putinism will certainly survive ..
    2. Yrec
      Yrec 3 December 2019 15: 47
      +5
      Macron is a henchman of the globalists, and Trump is an isolationist. It looks like the United States under Trump sailed away from the "global world", while trying to grab the loot. The Britons with their braxit act according to Trump's behests. The globalists seem to have decided to put an end to the Anglo-Saxons and make friends with the Russian Federation and China, and Macron is their talking head.
    3. Rwmos
      Rwmos 3 December 2019 15: 48
      +3
      Macron is an agent of Putin. Trump is an agent. Merkel with SP-2 - too. Who is left in the shop? Putin alone rules the whole world! Well, drain the water and do not twitch - wait for instructions from the Kremlin for your regional committees
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 3 December 2019 16: 04
        +1
        Quote: RWMos
        Putin alone rules the whole world!
        Now let him rule the world outside Russia. And Russia deserves, firstly, the succession of power, and secondly, adequate politicians who are responsible for their words, which Putin does not do in principle.
        1. Rwmos
          Rwmos 3 December 2019 16: 16
          +7
          And thirdly, she deserves sending the fifth column to tailoring slippers to isolated institutions. And then they have a change of power - these are 300 years old who have been steering the United States come from four families, by the way, they now say to themselves that they built feudalism in the USA. Swap power is Merkel’s eternally entrenched in a non-presidential country ... And adequate power is puppet power in Japan or England ...
          And what, in Germany, in a recent poll, 70% said that they would like to be the president like Putin - these are inadequate irremovable in Russia!
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 3 December 2019 16: 24
            0
            Quote: RWMos
            sending the fifth column to the camps she deserves.
            I agree. good The entire Kremlin riffraff there led by the leader. Or who do you mean? lol
            Quote: RWMos
            And then they have a change of power - these are 300 years old who have been steering the United States come from four families, by the way, they now say to themselves that they built feudalism in the USA.
            Feudalism is more about post-Soviet Russia, yeah.
            Quote: RWMos
            And what, in Germany, in a recent poll, 70% said that they would like to be the president like Putin - these are inadequate irremovable in Russia!
            And in a recent survey by the Levada Center, it turned out that half of the Russian youth surveyed dreams of driving from the country to the very puppet, feudal USA, Germany, England, Japan and other decaying Europe-Asia. There is no need to live and enjoy life in the most prosperous country in the world with the most non-puppet power and the wisest leader. lol
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 4 December 2019 05: 06
              +6
              And in a recent survey by the Levada Center, it turned out that half of the Russian youth surveyed wanted to get out of the country

              stupid argument far-fetched. Young people are always motivated by blood. This is at the genetic level. In addition, one French figure in the era of the Great Revolution did not in vain say:
              "If at 18 you are not a radical, then you are a scoundrel, and if at 40 you are not a conservative, you are a durak."
              therefore there is nothing to refer to youth.
          2. Neznaika
            Neznaika 3 December 2019 16: 46
            -5
            Of the four families - this is still a choice, this is not sitting on the throne of one for almost twenty years.
            And not juggling posts on the air: Putin, the president’s position from Medvedev, Medvedev’s post as prime minister from Putin. By the way, Bolotnaya started from such a circus.
            Merkel, forever leaning, has mowed a political clearing around herself, like Putin did? Or participated in the elections on a common basis with other candidates? With real, not funny ones like Zhirinovsky?
            70% of Germans want Putin? Want his methods of government and the results of his actions? What problems? You are welcome to Russia. In the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug. To Tuva. To Kamchatka. For Russian salaries and pensions! In embrace with Russian medicine!
            What keeps Germans in this miserable Germany? Why do not want to meet your idol in Russia?
            1. Rwmos
              Rwmos 3 December 2019 16: 55
              -3
              Well, not out of four - out of four - presidents, but they are there in the role of puppet-clowns. From one - Rockefellers. It is they who appoint presidents for fools who believe that they influence something.
              What keeps Germans worthless in Germany? Slave psychology, they were taught to pay and repent, they are now even afraid to think that a German may have an opinion - they are slaves, and an aksima has been brought up for generations - a German must obey external control, otherwise he is a fascist! Merkel did not mow the clearing? laughing Onin is the only example - even the scandal with the wiretapping by the German State Department and the threats that the US ambassador to Germany sent to specific heads of German companies did not change ANYTHING. Merkel is a stooge of the State Department, but irremovable, because the State Department keeps this hooker with blueberries from the student bench on the hook.
              And the presidents in the United States are from 4 families. This is not even an oligarchy. Or is the Deception Peasant a Kenyan farmer? True in the family - 4 US Presidents ...
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 3 December 2019 17: 54
                -1
                Quote: RWMos
                From one - Rockefellers. It is they who appoint presidents for fools who believe that they influence something.
                You have slipped into conspiracy theories. About the Masonic Order, let's already.
                Quote: RWMos
                Slave psychology, they were taught to pay and repent, they are now even afraid to think that a German may have an opinion - they are slaves, and an aksima has been brought up for generations - a German must obey external control, otherwise he is a fascist!
                I’m wondering, developed and prosperous Germans mean slaves. And the Russians, a quarter of whom are in poverty, and who are regularly crushed by new taxes, increases in retirement age, VAT, and who are not really protected by their own legislation, are apparently free people. So? lol
                Quote: RWMos
                even the scandal with the wiretapping by the German State Department and the threats that the US ambassador to Germany sent to specific heads of German companies did not change ANYTHING. Merkel is a stooge of the State Department, but irremovable, because the State Department keeps this hooker with blueberries from the student bench on the hook.
                Scandals, intrigues, investigations. Undoubtedly a very interesting topic for a typical Russian inhabitant with sn 25-40k who lives in Khrushchev, bought on a mortgage at 15-22% and eats almost pasture.
                Quote: RWMos
                And the presidents in the United States are from 4 families. This is not even an oligarchy. Or is the Deception Peasant a Kenyan farmer? True in the family - 4 US Presidents ...
                Well, let's talk about Masons and an alien conspiracy, why do you feel sorry for chtoli?
                1. Rwmos
                  Rwmos 3 December 2019 18: 05
                  +2
                  * A bear in a cage lives more satisfyingly. But is it better?
                  * What the fuck is a conspiracy theory? !!!
                  The transcendent concentration of wealth, the erosion of the "class of knowledge" and a suppressed, hate-filled middle class: this is the same situation that led France, and then the rest of Europe, to the revolutionary era at the end of the XNUMXth century. This is happening in America now. So says Joel Kotkin, one of the brightest thinkers of the Trump flank of US policy.
                  Google The Coming of Neo-Feudalism: A Warning to the Global Middle Class, the author I told you. Or will we deny the fact that elites are closed in the USA ?! There is a circle - steering wheels are selected from it. At its very top there are 4 families. Who will steer - decides the lobby of the oligarchs. I’m already hoarse to give an example - there was Obama - there was a great F-35 program and they drove the LCS program for squandering money. Trump came - and the F-35 is not accepted for service and is watered completely, and the money went into the fleet! Because Lockheed appointed one, the Navy the other, so they fight - Trump and Clinton !!!
                  Objection is what? And, I see, I, of course - a thorium of conspiracies, and I didn’t give any facts, but YOU - I dug up a fact - I’m a sectarian, not an elf, like some, and this is undeniable
                  1. Greenwood
                    Greenwood 4 December 2019 04: 27
                    -4
                    Quote: RWMos
                    A bear in a cage lives more satisfyingly. But is it better?
                    The comparison is incorrect. The Germans live their own lives.
                    Quote: RWMos
                    and beyond it other Europe to the revolutionary era at the end of the XNUMXth century. Now this is happening in America.
                    Again, the collapse of the United States? Aren't you tired of repeating it yourself? As the manna of heaven is waiting for him, but he still does not happen. lol
                    Quote: RWMos
                    there was a great F-35 program and drove the LCS program for squandering money. Trump came - and the F-35 is not accepted for service and is watered completely, and the money went into the fleet!
                    F-35 build 15-20 sides per month. lol
                    Quote: RWMos
                    Objection is what?
                    To object? lol Paranoid articles of great "thinkers" are being thrown to me here, foaming at the mouth, calling it "facts", and I have to object to something. belay It’s ridiculous. Live further in your illusions and schizophrenic conspiracy theories, fueled by paranoid articles from various iksperds. You look there, wait for the much-desired collapse of the Western globalist world. The main thing is that you did not have to wait all your life.
                2. Rwmos
                  Rwmos 3 December 2019 18: 11
                  +3
                  Researchers such as David Ike, Michael Tsarion, and Fritz Springmayer, along with scientific historical and genealogical funds, document these royal presidential genealogies. In fact, from far-reaching presidential genealogies, a dedicated researcher will find that all 43 presidents have common affinity, indicating that they belong to the same common pedigree, which is often called the pedigree of the 13 Illuminati, the Merovingian line, and / or the Windsor Bush pedigree.
                  Gary Boyd Roberts, Genealogy Specialist from New England from the Historical Genealogical Society, carefully traces these links in his Ancestors of American Presidents.
                  George W. Bush himself is directly associated with 16 former US presidents, including George Washington, Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, Abraham Lincoln, Ulysses Grant, Rutherford Hayes, James Garfield, Grover Cleveland, Teddy Roosevelt, William Taft, Calvin Coolidge Hoover, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford.
                  1. Greenwood
                    Greenwood 4 December 2019 04: 28
                    -3
                    All people are brothers, you did not know ?! love
                3. Rwmos
                  Rwmos 3 December 2019 22: 45
                  +4
                  Thanks for the answer, and to you a lullaby:
                  Children! Get ready for school
                  The cockerel sang for a long time!
                  Get dressed quicker -
                  The sun is looking out the window!

                  Man, and the beast, and the bird -
                  Everyone is up to business;
                  A bug drags with a burden
                  Bee flies for the honey.

                  Clear field, funny meadow,
                  The forest wakes up and makes a noise
                  Woodpecker nose knock yes knock!
                  The Oriole screams loudly.

                  Fishermen are pulling nets
                  In the meadow, the scythe rings ...
                  Pray for the book, children!
                  God does not command laziness!

                  Clear field, funny meadow,
                  The forest wakes up and makes a noise
                  Woodpecker nose knock yes knock!
                  The Oriole screams loudly. .

                  Do not forget the minus ... After all, for you it is the only weapon.
                  It’s good that, according to their convictions, it is indecent to breed laughing
                  1. Greenwood
                    Greenwood 4 December 2019 04: 29
                    -6
                    You spend so much strength and energy that it’s ridiculous to me. So many emotional posts riveted. See do not overwork.
                4. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 4 December 2019 05: 13
                  +3
                  Greenwood Yesterday, 17:54
                  Undoubtedly a very interesting topic for a typical Russian inhabitant with sn 25-40k who lives in Khrushchev, bought on a mortgage at 15-22% and eats almost pasture.

                  only your infancy can justify the stupid belief that in Europe or America everyone lives in palaces, bought without any loans, eat from the belly and ride only on bugatti and maseratti. Stop using spice already, it affects your development badly
            2. Kunar
              Kunar 4 December 2019 23: 59
              0
              I agree! Putin must leave! But the question arises, however? And where else can I get this? Dunno is definitely not good)))))
        2. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 3 December 2019 16: 19
          -4
          Greenwood
          And Russia deserves, first, the change of power
          Here let me disagree with you. Frequent alternation of power in Russia, never when, under any system did not lead to anything good. Take at least the tsarist period of palace coups, at least the end of the Soviet period, when the general secretaries died one before the other. As a result, nothing good came out of Russia. But the periods of the long reign of Peter, Catherine, Stalin, on the contrary, were characterized by periods of recovery and stability in the country. Another matter who is in power ?!
          secondly, adequate politicians responsible for their words
          And here I completely agree! The current government can hardly be called adequate, especially its head.
          1. Proxima
            Proxima 3 December 2019 18: 01
            -1
            The frequent change of power has one main minus: the government, which knows that it will be replaced in four years, will pursue an ambitious policy, including in the economy, social sphere, education, medicine. That is, at best palliative decisions will be made, and in the worst case, just empty promises. Why do something when all this will be another authority to disentangle !? "After us, even a flood." There are no long-term programs out of the question. A vivid example of this is Ukraine. And vice versa, a positive example, Kazakhstan and poor (in Soviet times) Belarus. So that, the ideal ruler for Russia is a leader with a perfect mind and perfect decencywhich must rule indefinitely.
            1. WIKI
              WIKI 3 December 2019 20: 36
              -1
              Quote: Proxima
              the government, which knows that it will be replaced in four years, will pursue an ambitious policy, including in the economy, social sphere, education, and medicine.

              How do you like the 2020 strategy? But power is still there.
            2. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 3 December 2019 21: 47
              +2
              Quote: Proxima
              ... the ideal ruler for Russia is a leader with a perfect mind and perfect decency ....

              Where to get this? wink
            3. Greenwood
              Greenwood 4 December 2019 04: 32
              -3
              Quote: Proxima
              the ideal ruler for Russia is a leader with a perfect mind and perfect decency
              There are no perfect people. Money and power spoil a person. The change of power just allows you to constantly change people, choose the best available, look for new approaches, new solutions, a new way. One and the same person, always sitting on the throne, will not do this.
              1. Constructor68
                Constructor68 4 December 2019 05: 55
                +5
                The change of power just allows you to constantly change people, choose the best available, look for new approaches, new solutions, a new way

                Suppose a new politician comes to power, Mishulka Khodarkovsky. A new man, a new look, a new path. And after a couple of years, one sovereignty of the Russian Federation will remain one memory, the army and navy will be disbanded as unnecessary (after all, why should the puppet regime have an army?), The financial system will be overloaded with debt obligations to the IMF, and under the pretext of investments, the remnants of the industry will go into ownership of foreign capital. But what democracy will triumph! And the succession of power to you (one puppet to another as in Ukraine) and freedom of speech (or rather freedom to hold geyparads) .... Hallelujah! You will probably be happy right away. Change back then in the avatar photo of the monument to the fighters for power of the Soviets in Vladivostok on the photo of the statue of liberty in New York. Will be more correct
                1. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek 4 December 2019 16: 44
                  +3
                  Quote: Designer 68
                  The change of power just allows you to constantly change people, choose the best available, look for new approaches, new solutions, a new way

                  Suppose a new politician comes to power, Mishulka Khodarkovsky. A new man, a new look, a new path. And after a couple of years, one sovereignty of the Russian Federation will remain one memory, the army and navy will be disbanded as unnecessary (after all, why should the puppet regime have an army?), The financial system will be overloaded with debt obligations to the IMF, and under the pretext of investments, the remnants of the industry will go into ownership of foreign capital. But what democracy will triumph! And the succession of power to you (one puppet to another as in Ukraine) and freedom of speech (or rather freedom to hold geyparads) .... Hallelujah! You will probably be happy right away. Change back then in the avatar photo of the monument to the fighters for power of the Soviets in Vladivostok on the photo of the statue of liberty in New York. Will be more correct

                  the change of power is another fairy tale from the liberda ... they themselves invented, they themselves believe !!! request request wassat wassat
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    4. Ros 56
      Ros 56 3 December 2019 18: 26
      0
      Well, who will listen to the banderlogs? stop fellow lol
  2. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 3 December 2019 15: 37
    +8
    Europe, which would like to see Russia of the 1990s model by the end of the second decade of the XNUMXst century

    Is this what Europe itself wants or those "Russians" from the Forbes list who fled and now live in Europe?
  3. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 3 December 2019 15: 38
    -2
    I repeat in expressing my opinion. One snowflake is not snow yet. Those who expect a domino effect from France, I'm afraid not to wait. Great Britain leaves the European Union, but it, the infection, does not break up!
    Not only that, who just does not try to get in!
    What can the French leader oppose to allies and partners? Demarche and exit from NATO? Already left, NATO survived, and then took back. Invite a Russian ballet on tour? That was all already. There were no changes in the general policy of the West and Russia.
    1. Rwmos
      Rwmos 3 December 2019 15: 49
      0
      ... and he, an infection, turns into "Europe of two speeds"! The name is not mine, but the leaders, together, France and Germany, which determine the entire EU budget! So it disintegrates - and how!
      1. LON
        LON 3 December 2019 21: 03
        -5
        Russia has long been transformed into a multi-speed country. And nothing. "Lives and flourishes." laughing
        1. Rwmos
          Rwmos 3 December 2019 21: 39
          +2
          And even YOU feeds - and does not die from it
          1. LON
            LON 3 December 2019 23: 10
            -4
            I feed myself.
            1. Rwmos
              Rwmos 3 December 2019 23: 13
              +1
              In the country ... In which he gave you so to feed - oops ... The head of the country and the mill itself. which is so patient that you have not yet been nailed or imprisoned. Suffer, "hero", further, how long before school?
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              2. Greenwood
                Greenwood 4 December 2019 04: 33
                -4
                Quote: RWMos
                In which he gave you so much to feed - oops ... The head of the country and the camp itself.
                Honestly, how old are you ?! An adult cannot seriously carry such nonsense.
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    2. parusnik
      parusnik 3 December 2019 16: 10
      +1
      Regarding Brexit or whatever is right laughing It seems that Great Britain will leave the EU for two or three years, and then come back, they say sorry.
  4. Aleksandre
    Aleksandre 3 December 2019 15: 40
    0
    Something he lately without Brigitte Makaronovna appears everywhere ...
  5. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 3 December 2019 15: 45
    +3
    the more Europe emphasizes this fact, the more “European” Russia will be, the French leader believes.


    Well, I don’t really like to do banking, but he’s right - you need to look for common interests with Russia, and not listen to the rabid Russophobes in the EU, who are somehow the American Trojan horse in Europe.
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 4 December 2019 16: 47
      +3
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      the more Europe emphasizes this fact, the more “European” Russia will be, the French leader believes.


      Well, I don’t really like to do banking, but he’s right - you need to look for common interests with Russia, and not listen to the rabid Russophobes in the EU, who are somehow the American Trojan horse in Europe.

      it didn’t work out after 2014 to destroy or bend Russia, so they started talking differently ??? laughing laughing laughing for a thousand years you have not given up to us with your common interests !!!! negative negative wassat wassat wassat
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 5 December 2019 12: 10
        -1
        it didn’t work out after 2014 to destroy or bend Russia, so they started talking differently ???

        for a thousand years you have not given up to us with your common interests !!!!


        You are wrong - not since 2014, not a thousand years, we immediately try to bend you for 35 years. Your dinosaurs are spoiled, but you still don’t bend! Hooray! laughing
  6. Sibguest
    Sibguest 3 December 2019 15: 46
    0
    “2014 is a point of no return ... there is no light at the end of the tunnel”
    This "tunnel" is the rectum of the United States of America ... the light at the end of this tunnel can only be seen when the Naglo-Saxons digest their European "partners" and go "big" with them.
  7. Prisoner
    Prisoner 3 December 2019 15: 50
    +1
    "... I can only express the hope that this will not happen due to our common dream of the sovereignty of Europe ..." (c) They only dream it turns out. So Fashington will prescribe you an ichitsa for such seditious dreams. lol
  8. prior
    prior 3 December 2019 15: 53
    +4
    Well, pride is just covering for our president.
    Whoever, wherever he elects a president or prime minister, be it the United States, England, France, or at worst Ukraine, you look after a while - Putin’s agent!
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 3 December 2019 16: 12
      +1
      Quote: prior
      just pride covers for our president
      Hang yourself a portrait of him on the wall. And wear a badge on his chest with his portrait to emphasize devotion to Putinism. You are on the right path, comrade ... uh ... gentlemen.
      1. prior
        prior 3 December 2019 16: 42
        +3
        And you do not admit that people sometimes joke.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 3 December 2019 17: 48
          0
          Then add a smiley at the end of your speech. Knowing the local contingent of jingoistic patriots who quite seriously carry similar ideas, it is difficult to distinguish sarcasm from real thoughts.
  9. Thrifty
    Thrifty 3 December 2019 15: 55
    +3
    Tomorrow the macron will be eaten, and the whole of Europe will continue to collectively bark at Russia! Russia exists as long as it has its own policy and its own opinion, which is different from the “common to all mankind”! Putin is not God, and the country needs a man of his word, with a strong character, and really fighting for the interests of Russia.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 3 December 2019 16: 13
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      the country needs a man of speech, with a strong character, and really fighting for Russia's interests
      This is not about Putin at all.
  10. knn54
    knn54 3 December 2019 15: 55
    +4
    Europe wants YELCINISM.
  11. Sergey39
    Sergey39 3 December 2019 16: 00
    0
    [quote] However, experts whose opinions are quoted in foreign newspapers do not believe in a change in relationship. Moreover, experts are confident that Putinism is so strong that it will survive Putin. / Quote]
    Putinism will survive both Putin and the European Union.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 3 December 2019 16: 04
      +3
      Quote: Sergey39
      Putinism
      I’m embarrassed to know, what do you mean by this term?
      1. Sergey39
        Sergey39 3 December 2019 16: 47
        +2
        Do not be shy. Ask the author of the article.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 3 December 2019 17: 46
          +2
          Nenene, does not channel. Said A, speak B.
          This thesis should be revealed:
          Putinism will survive both Putin and the European Union.
  12. bk316
    bk316 3 December 2019 16: 07
    0
    Europe does not need to rely on the fact that “Putin’s optimism of the 1990s” will return after Putin resigned as president.

    I really hope so.
    I forgave a lot and forgive the GDP so that the “optimism of the 1990s” would not return.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 3 December 2019 16: 15
      +2
      Quote: bk316
      I forgave a lot and forgive the GDP so that the “optimism of the 1990s” would not return.
      You are a faithful Putin and a worthy representative of the electorate of United Russia !!! Putinism is holding onto you !!! soldier
      1. bk316
        bk316 3 December 2019 17: 48
        +2
        Putinism is holding onto you !!!

        Russia rests on me.
        Because in the 90s I did not rally for EBN, but taught at Moscow State University.
        In 2000, he didn’t fart, but explored deposits.
        And the next 20 years he did not ache, but worked in IT.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 3 December 2019 20: 15
          +1
          Russia rests on me.


          With this, you too went through, as well as with your beloved GDP. request
        2. LON
          LON 3 December 2019 21: 27
          -2
          Quote: bk316
          Russia rests on me.

          All the loafers, only you one hard worker. Your work on exploring the deposits has led to the fact that the authorities only begin to scratch their turnips when the gesheft from oil falls. Your work has generated and strengthened the power of freeloaders.
          1. bk316
            bk316 4 December 2019 11: 23
            +5
            Your work has generated and strengthened the power of freeloaders.

            And she also made it possible to revive the army and fed millions of pensioners and state employees. And POSSIBLE allowed to avoid the Maidan and prevent people like you from coming to power, THINKING THAN BETTER THAN BETTER. And I'm proud of it.
            And that one is not alone, there are millions of us working and not malicious and aching.
            1. LON
              LON 4 December 2019 11: 54
              -4
              One opportunity not to starve to death, and the other will be filled with red caviar. But there was another, more humane option, which allowed to develop the country and give all people the opportunity to earn, maintain and modernize industry. But the government of Primakov-Maslyukov did not work for freeloaders like you.
              1. bk316
                bk316 4 December 2019 12: 14
                +5
                But the government of Primakov-Maslyukov did not work for freeloaders like you.

                Are you crazy? Geophysicists, geologists, drilling workers, other oil industry workers - are freeloaders?
                Who are you, how old are you, did you get off the couch?
                I’ve seen Primakov live from you and respect him immensely. What do you even know about this?

                And about the options - there were. Why did you give the White House a shot in 93?
                1. LON
                  LON 4 December 2019 14: 13
                  -6
                  Geophysicists, geologists, drilling workers, other oil workers. They gave rise to a free worldview among those in power. Let's brag about who saw whom live. I `m a pensioner.
                  1. bk316
                    bk316 4 December 2019 14: 31
                    +6
                    gave rise to a free worldview among those in power.

                    Maybe, but you wrote
                    such as you freeloaders.

                    Will you apologize?
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 4 December 2019 14: 54
                      -1
                      Quote: bk316
                      Will you apologize?

                      Feed the trolls? Also an occupation, of course ... request what laughing
                      1. bk316
                        bk316 4 December 2019 15: 02
                        +5
                        Feed the trolls?

                        And today I have free time. laughing Something all projects went ahead of schedule. Straight miracles request
                        How are you?
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                      3. LON
                        LON 4 December 2019 19: 26
                        -1
                        So I get cons, especially from you, in pleasure. So it got to the nerve.
                    2. LON
                      LON 4 December 2019 17: 25
                      0
                      Before a hard worker and apologizing is not a sin. I apologize!
                2. LON
                  LON 4 December 2019 14: 41
                  -5
                  In addition to the above. The free world outlook of the authorities has led to the fact that Nord Stream 2 does not pay off even with oil prices of $ 90 until 2048. The worldview of the freeloaders, who hoped for Chavez's forecast of $ 200, played. Your work has gone down the drain.
                3. LON
                  LON 4 December 2019 19: 01
                  0
                  Quote: bk316
                  Why did you give the White House a shot in 93?
                  Because in the 90s I did not rally for EBN
                  I live 1000 miles from Moscow. But what did you do in 93? You didn’t rally for EBN, against it either. Were you waiting? This is in my opinion to you: "It is with their tacit consent that all evil is committed on earth!" And now the time has come to protect everything that has been created by overwork.
                  Dumb dumb, troll trolls, liars liars. Teaching ethics does not allow
                  Russia is holding on to me
                  What are you proud of? Human ethics does not allow me to say everything that I think about you.
        3. Greenwood
          Greenwood 4 December 2019 04: 40
          -4
          Quote: bk316
          taught at MSU

          Quote: bk316
          explored deposits

          Quote: bk316
          worked in IT
          Why are you, like a matchmaker, moving from one industry to another? Probably from a good life and Putin's high salaries. Why didn’t they teach at MSU? Is the salary really small? lol
          1. bk316
            bk316 4 December 2019 11: 18
            +6
            jumps from one industry to another ?!

            Why did you decide that I was jumping?
            I graduated from VM&K and taught at the department.
            No one is looking for deposits with a hammer now.
            Even with the Lomonosov Union, I received a seismic data processing complex.

            But no salary. The child was born and there was nothing to eat. LITERALLY nothing. Only the salary is not Putin, but Yeltsin. So know your own emoticons you know where. Bortsun sofa.
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 4 December 2019 15: 10
              -4
              Quote: bk316
              I graduated from VM&K and taught at the department.
              Lord, it’s good that I didn’t have any teachers at the university who do not know how to respond to criticism and are frustrated by hysterical insults. Do not you think that for a person with a higher education, teacher experience, a prize, such behavior is unworthy?
              Quote: bk316
              Only the salary is not Putin, but Yeltsin
              Do I understand correctly, do you separate these two comrades? But how to explain that they are from the same team, worked together and Putin never criticized Yeltsin and even erected a monument to him and opened the Yeltsin Center ?!
              Quote: bk316
              So know your own emoticons you know where. Bortsun sofa.
              Interestingly, do you end all disputes by offering your opponent something to shove somewhere? Do you advise this to your students too ?! lol
              1. bk316
                bk316 4 December 2019 16: 19
                +2
                Do I understand correctly, do you separate these two comrades?

                Yes, right. If I knew that after EBN there would be a GDP I would stay at Moscow State University.
                I have not been teaching for 20 years and I have the right to say so call a spade a spade.
                Dumb dumb, troll trolls, liars liars. Teaching ethics do not allow this, DO YOU ALSO UNDERSTAND WHY?
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 3 December 2019 20: 12
      0
      Your VVP is a protégé of those who arranged the very “optimism of the 1990s,” and he himself took an active part in this. "Do not make yourself an idol" (c), as it was said, but you and others like you cannot imagine your life without a "king-father".
      1. bk316
        bk316 4 December 2019 11: 27
        +8
        You and others like you cannot imagine your life without the "king-father".

        You are a liar raise my comment three years ago. It clearly says that you can’t remove people like you at the entrance without GDP. And I do not need anything from the state except the absence of war, revolution and the collapse of infrastructure. And ALL THIS GDP provided, and the rest I got myself.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 4 December 2019 14: 56
          -5
          The entrance should be cleaned by a cleaning lady, and the yard should be swept by the janitor. "The trouble is if a cake-maker starts making boots, and a shoemaker bakes pies" (c). Reread your comments from three years ago laughing ? Dismiss, somehow I will live without this dubious pleasure.
          In Syria, isn't the war going on and our guys don't die? Are we in complete order with industry? Have you received a truncheon from the National Guard yet? Well, then, continue to "extract" your prey, I wish you success.
          1. bk316
            bk316 4 December 2019 15: 26
            +7
            In Syria, is not a war going on and our guys do not die?

            Have you forgotten Chechnya?
            Did I write about industry?
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 4 December 2019 16: 31
              -3
              Is there a war in Chechnya? About the industry you did not write
              collapse of the infrastructure.
              , but it is it that ensures the capacity of the infrastructure.
          2. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 4 December 2019 17: 10
            +3
            Have you ever received a baton from the Russian Guard?

            Well, what can you expect from you? For Novocherkassk events recall? Hungry workers in the UPOR SHOT !!! And then the marginalized RP pulled !! Previously, it was the police and the BB, the same functionality, then the police, then the FSVNG. Cat, keep silent, for a smart ride.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 4 December 2019 23: 49
              0
              You are inconsistent. Once you said that "to argue with me is not to respect yourself." And here it is again. What makes you lose your self-respect so regularly? smile
        2. Greenwood
          Greenwood 4 December 2019 15: 11
          -5
          Quote: bk316
          raise my comment three years ago
          Ten years at once. Everyone is so interested in rummaging through the archives of your records.
        3. Kunar
          Kunar 5 December 2019 00: 11
          -1
          He was not in the project 3 years ago)))) Well, under this nickname for sure)))
  13. parusnik
    parusnik 3 December 2019 16: 07
    0
    ... Macron imagines himself Napoleonchik here and he sways from side to side ...
    She says bluntly: "2014 is the point of no return ... there is no light at the end of the tunnel."
    ... Because it did not grow together ... NATO and the United States ... what a light, at the end of the tunnel ... Our people would be glad to see it, but there is no way back, the Rubicon is crossed, the bridges are burned .. Go to the "light" so many will have to sacrifice, probably personal ... which is better without light ... by candlelight ...
    1. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 3 December 2019 16: 52
      +2
      I'm more interested in what will happen to Russia itself after 2024.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 3 December 2019 17: 27
        +4
        I assure you that they will not break up, they will not occupy .. The rich will become richer, the poor poorer .... Of the good, there will still not be enough parking lots, lack of sausage, toilet paper, the presence of Chinese consumer goods and Turkish tomatoes and Iranian cucumbers ... They will not stop palm oil supply ... Stability, in a word ... laughing
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 4 December 2019 04: 44
          -4
          And the decline in fertility and the outflow of the population from the country will continue. Hundreds of thousands of people will continue to fill out questionnaires and participate in the drawing of green cards of the unspiritual USA, hoping for luck every year.
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 4 December 2019 16: 55
            +4
            Quote: Greenwood
            Hundreds of thousands of people will continue to fill out questionnaires and participate in the drawing of green cards of the unspiritual USA, hoping for good luck every year.

            billions will participate !!! wassat wassat wassat
  14. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 3 December 2019 16: 50
    +2
    The author considers the attitude of the Russian elite towards European countries to be "Putinism". Well, let it be, although this relation has little to do with Putin as such, and he can be called whatever you like. What is this attitude?
    It is formed on the basis of a simple statement - "do not pay attention to what the person says, pay attention to what he does!" Yes, we are to blame. We taught everyone so, although we had to act as in the West - the methods of correct thinking should remain secret from the slaves. And we didn’t comply!
    Based on the analysis carried out according to this statement, any adequate and intelligent person easily sees - as soon as we opened up to the West, the West immediately began to deceive us and rob us. This is absolutely obvious to everyone, even those who violently assert the opposite, being kept by parts of this West itself. So what's next?
    And then everything is simple. The most adequate part of Europeans, to which the beautiful-looking Macron does not belong, is more and more afraid. Since they committed a lot of villainy and villainy against Russia, now they are waiting any day for the furious Russians to come forward to demand an answer, to come for reimbursement of colossal losses, and they will take offense. And these people are ready to do anything with fear, in order to somehow push the terrible Russians at least a little further.
    And what does the elf-like Macron offer? He suggests changing the rhetoric. Let’s say, we’ll begin to flatter the stupid Russians, we’ll inflate different nonsense into their ears, they will behave, as always! But realists in Europe say they won’t. Let’s give a little slack, and the Russians will become even more furious! They judge by themselves - the USSR gave slack, and where is it? Tore and ate as much as they could.
    And yes, such "Putinism" is now inevitable! The only pity is that our "elite" ... however, this is a completely different story.
  15. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 3 December 2019 16: 55
    -2
    Quote: NF68
    How would macron

    Macron will come and go, but the hostility attitude will remain.
  16. rocket757
    rocket757 3 December 2019 17: 28
    +1
    . Will Putinism survive Putinism? Russian question of the Frenchman Macron

    What is the crux of the matter? Russia does not want to be like the previous ur-r-figures! It is obvious.
    What is the problem then?
  17. Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 3 December 2019 19: 19
    +1
    Will Putinism survive Putinism?

    I would like that in domestic and domestic economic policy, he did not survive.
  18. Moreno
    Moreno 3 December 2019 20: 10
    +1
    See Russia in the 90s. Ukraine, Belarus ... Hotellki will break
  19. sleeve
    sleeve 4 December 2019 04: 51
    +3
    In general, of course, assigning "personal" nicknames to some political and social phenomenon or action is not particularly cultural, I would say creates an unnecessary fog, saturated, moreover, with a fair share of personal dislike of the authors of the term "Putinism". The Russians were told through the air that we here foster "sovereign democracy" with all the signs inherent in every word, but with minor nuances like a vector to direct elections across the entire pyramid of power and other mainly geographic features such as national sovereignty, etc. And yes, it’s quite an antagonism towards an impersonal, globalist democracy based on lowering the general level of education in order to raise purchasing power. It is good news that the young of the new elite are aware of the gap between these two platforms. It’s probably a good idea to strain yourself and explain that it is in this fault that the reason why they are "elite" is contained, and not road dust. Because for all our sovereignty of the "elite", our people persistently pray to the "global" totem, which no longer hiding explains to them openly that they do not need them as a global factor at all. In the best case, the middle class and middle management, and never even Gauleiters. But here, of course, the costs of the Western culture of education have the ability to assert something that is necessary for themselves the deepest roots. (How many people burned about the shape of the Earth, until India was impatient to pour on commercial issues and take blessings on the road). Will he survive or not? Probably will survive ... Everything will depend on the level of rigidity of the successor. We stopped looking a little. And if you look around, the situation will very much remind you of 6, when the second superpower was liquidated with our tacit agreement and the world political system was dismantled, paid for by 1991 million killed in two wars (otherwise more of course). And now is the same moment. It just didn't interest us. And the memory is like that of fish, well, somewhere in the past year. Moreover, the disgusting essence of the "little man" is climbing out again. Envy of fame, small fear of the big one. All this permeates any society that is not in the stage of active opposition and internal mobilization. The darkest then actively avoided this (mobilization), leaning towards evolution. So if the current one is replaced by another charismatic one, then the fears will persist along with hissing in the kitchens and corners with a complete denial of what is happening in the overall picture. But then they will not allow deviations from the general vector. And, by the way, it is not worth interpreting this as servility ... This is democracy under conditions of social inequality. The bomb is normal, without a timer and with a rusty detonator. Dialectics...
  20. Million
    Million 4 December 2019 09: 09
    0
    And what does the term "Putinism" mean?
  21. kriten
    kriten 4 December 2019 12: 18
    +2
    The funny thing is that the political prostitute Tusk talks about the sovereignty of Europe, which has not existed since 1945.
  22. mark_rod
    mark_rod 4 December 2019 22: 16
    -1
    Quote: Svarog
    Will Putinism survive Putinism? Russian question of the Frenchman Macron

    The external course will largely depend on the political system of Russia, if the socialists come, it will not inevitably change, but with time it will become tougher .. if they remain the same, the course will not change much, maybe even more malleable .. here from many factors will depend ..
    And in internal affairs, if from the point of view of the corruption vertical one looks and the receiver will be the same liberal .. Putinism will certainly survive ..

    Conclusion: To live better, liberals must be changed.
  23. iouris
    iouris 5 December 2019 00: 21
    0
    What are they about, who gave the definition of the concept of "putinizm"?