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In Ukraine, domestic boats were criticized and Russian praised

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In Ukraine, domestic boats were criticized and Russian praised

Patrol boat of the 12200 project of the Coast Guard of the Russian Federation and the Navy Gyurza-M MBAK


In Ukraine, the Ukrainian artillery boat of the Gyurza-M type was compared with the Russian patrol boat of the 12200 project Sable. According to the military expert, the head of the Ukrainian military (military) center Taras Chmut, the comparison was not in favor of the Ukrainian boat.

Chmut compared the characteristics of the Gyurza-M type MBAK and the Russian patrol boat, recognizing the superiority of the latter. He wrote about this on his Twitter.

Ukrainian MBAK (about 54 tons) and Russian "Sable" (about 57,5 tons). It is interesting to compare the hull contours of boats of the same tonnage. It is immediately clear that MBAKs are not adapted in any way to either speed or full-fledged actions at sea. I hope that the eight Naval Forces will finish their purchase

- He wrote.

Answering readers' questions, he explained that a Russian boat is twice as fast as a Ukrainian one and has an advantage in seaworthiness. The declared radar invisibility of the Gyurza-M does not exceed the same characteristic of a larger Russian boat.

The expert also criticized Ukrainian-made Centaur assault landing boats, saying that the best way out for Ukraine would not be to build its own boats, but to purchase used Western-made ships.

We cannot make armored personnel carriers normally, not like a ship

- he added.

Earlier in the Verkhovna Rada, Ukrainian boats were called "cans", shot through even with educational ammunition. According to the deputy from the Opposition Platform - For Life faction, Ilya Kiva, the boats produced by the Poroshenko plant were initially unsuitable for warfare, since mistakes and miscalculations were made during their design.
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  1. Gromozeka
    Gromozeka 1 December 2019 09: 24
    +2
    Everything is relative...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 1 December 2019 09: 44
      +9
      In Ukraine, domestic boats were criticized and Russian praised

      Quote: Thunderclock
      Everything is relative...

      Still would! In Russian, there are toilets in place, and switches with sockets ... And cases made of composites or metal, not papier-mâché ...
      laughing
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 1 December 2019 09: 55
        0
        Quote: Thunderclock
        Everything is relative...

        This is not a lighter carrier of the type "A. Kosygin" to build!
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 1 December 2019 10: 50
          +6
          We urgently need to invite Rostik general designers to the meeting. He will show them how to cut a ship out of cardboard from Roshen sweets. laughing
          1. krot
            krot 1 December 2019 11: 02
            +8
            We cannot make armored personnel carriers normally, not like a ship

            But how did the Sumerians dug the black sea, made the first satellite, created Mriya, and half of human inventions in principle? laughing It turns out the degradation of the nation on the face! Moreover, at a progressive pace laughing
            And by the way. Now the ruin will write off these two armored boats of the boat? because for the overhaul of the toilet they will need 2,5 million green, according to their estimates)) Well, we beheaded the entire fleet of Sumerians)))
      2. svp67
        svp67 1 December 2019 11: 01
        +2
        Quote: ROSS 42
        And cases made of composites or metal,

        Want to say that they can withstand shelling with 30 mm shells?
      3. Alexander Petrov1
        Alexander Petrov1 1 December 2019 18: 18
        +1
        They are, of course, to put it mildly, "strange people", they also have their own turbines and weapons for a full cycle and there are a bunch of institutes and shipyards, which is difficult to build not even a boat, but a small artillery or rocket ship and to spoil the Soviet missiles for which they have complete documentation.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 2 December 2019 16: 32
          0
          Quote: Alexander Petrov1
          They are, of course, to put it mildly, "strange people", they also have their own turbines and weapons for a full cycle and there are a bunch of institutes and shipyards, which is difficult to build not even a boat, but a small artillery or rocket ship and to spoil the Soviet missiles for which they have complete documentation.

          First, you need to find the money. Then - somehow manage to make sure that this money reaches those who would do all this, and would not dissolve directly in Kiev.
          I will just remind you that under Profesor, right after the news about the beginning of construction by Ukraine of a series of corvettes "Vladimir the Great" (yes, there was such a thing), the following news came that the designer never received money for the project of the corvette handed over to the customer. smile
          Further - weapons. We discard ship artillery and ZAK / ZRAK at once - this is Peter or Tula. SCRC - yes, there is Neptune. Shipborne air defense systems - here you need to do something from aviation RVV, since shipborne air defense systems remained in the Russian Federation.
    2. demo
      demo 1 December 2019 10: 42
      +5
      Yes. And again: friends are known in the bidet.
      1. Sailor
        Sailor 1 December 2019 11: 17
        +5
        Yes. And again: friends are known in the bidet
        hi
        Correctly write "bidet"
        Best regards
        1. demo
          demo 1 December 2019 11: 49
          +2
          So the fact of the matter is that I know how to do it right. But the "spelling writer" requires just that !!!!! hi
          1. Sailor
            Sailor 1 December 2019 17: 02
            +1
            drinks computers ...
      2. parkello
        parkello 1 December 2019 11: 18
        +1
        why poke them in a bidet? wash the galleries? so it is ... there is a bath for this, why squeeze them in a bidet? belay
  2. WILL
    WILL 1 December 2019 09: 26
    +8
    Oh how! belay Parashenko (that sounds better) - on Ray, by the neck, but you can also by the legs! yes There’s nothing to build Byak! Lenin Forge - to select and share! laughing
    1. cost
      cost 1 December 2019 10: 24
      -3
      The expert also said that the best solution for Ukraine would not be the construction of its own boats, but the purchase of used Western-made ships.

      I wonder how much money the Western military-industrial complex paid this "patriotic expert"? winked
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 1 December 2019 10: 41
      0
      Well, take it all right, but why divide it, let them make ships for the Southwestern Federal District of the Russian Federation.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 1 December 2019 09: 26
    +3
    In this case, there is nothing to compare ... on those boats to write that it’s a Moskina guard and all business.
  4. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 1 December 2019 09: 35
    +5
    Quickly this "patriot" pereobulsya!)) In person I do not remember, but the name ... a year ago, somewhere in the Ukrainian media spoke. And he pulled the song "everything is good". And here on you! But, judging by how and what he compares with each other, it becomes clear that the expert is not so-so ... I would also put a pleasure yacht next to him. What? With the same tonnage, her lines are better, and the material / workmanship is incomparable, there is a lot of chrome, and the girls on the deck can be picturesquely arranged laughing
  5. Moore
    Moore 1 December 2019 09: 36
    +3
    Yes, the normal gesheft Waltzman muddied. You are welcome.
  6. knn54
    knn54 1 December 2019 09: 37
    +4
    Why build-organization of production is a headache.
    It’s easier to buy a used one, GET A ROLLBACK and forget it.
    Thanks to such "Taras" the industry (and not only the military) of Ukraine will come to an end.
    And WHY we can’t build the "critic" CLEARLY did not think.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 1 December 2019 09: 39
    0
    And before it was not obvious? Ships made of cardboard, as if armored wassat they threw them to storm the bridge ... How were they not drowned there? It’s curious, but in the slightest storm these "dreadnoughts" would have sailed anywhere?
    1. vmo
      vmo 1 December 2019 10: 08
      +2
      but it’s not the waterways (it’s impossible to name the sailors) by and large it’s to blame, and the Cockerel yes the tank admiral, SBU, since everything in modern Ukraine, no reason, just drool
  8. Starper-xnumx
    Starper-xnumx 1 December 2019 09: 43
    +10
    Eh Chmut, open the history of the USSR and see what Ukraine produced in those days .. and where is ALL this?
    Now on the outskirts, one item of profit is "tyrit gas" from Russia and yelling about the Russian threat (while they pay, but the State Department is already cutting funding ...) hi
    1. den3080
      den3080 1 December 2019 10: 14
      +1
      Quote: Starper-777
      Eh Chmut, open the history of the USSR and see what Ukraine produced in those days .. and where is ALL this?
      Now on the outskirts, one item of profit is "tyrit gas" from Russia and yelling about the Russian threat (while they pay, but the State Department is already cutting funding ...) hi

      Still, two articles of income :) You yourself wrote:
      1. Russophobia
      2. steal gas
      1. Starper-xnumx
        Starper-xnumx 1 December 2019 10: 27
        -1
        Quote: den3080
        Still, two articles of income :) You yourself wrote:
        1. Russophobia
        2. steal gas

        There is a third article, it is to work in Russia as guest workers .. There are about 5 million of them, not counting prostitutes .. hi drinks
        Families need to be fed somehow .. I understand them and regret ..
        1. cniza
          cniza 1 December 2019 12: 11
          +2
          Vitaly, you scare me ... people are sorry yes, but the latter?
          1. Starper-xnumx
            Starper-xnumx 1 December 2019 12: 43
            0
            Quote: cniza
            Vitaly, you scare me ... people are sorry yes, but the latter?

            Last, it's nice .. But I feel sorry for these blyaad, Beautiful bastards all the same .. hehe But stupid!
            1. cniza
              cniza 1 December 2019 12: 49
              +2
              On the taste and color ... but for me - save God.
              1. Starper-xnumx
                Starper-xnumx 1 December 2019 13: 04
                -1
                Quote: cniza
                On the taste and color ... but for me - save God.

                My first wife, a Ukrainian (thoroughbred), was .... almost died from this attraction, drove a fool out of my mind ..., but the son remained eh
                Well, that’s how it was. Polka (second wife) was a bitch, of course, but at least everything was honest .. Well, my son is not bad at all ..
                1. cniza
                  cniza 1 December 2019 16: 24
                  0
                  Thank God, children are the main thing ...
        2. naburkin
          naburkin 1 December 2019 15: 50
          0
          Not five. Four million. Five in Europe.
          1. Starper-xnumx
            Starper-xnumx 1 December 2019 16: 29
            +1
            Quote: naburkin
            Not five. Four million. Five in Europe.

            Five was in 2015. Now all 10 are probably .. They are working silently and with anger. But they need eye-to-eye popping, they love everything that lies badly ..
            You ask them how you feel about Kiev and its politics .. Your eyes turn red, but they are stupidly silent and they’re doing the right thing hehe
            Let them work laughing
            And so they want their favorite song include German Marlene soldier

            When we judge, it will all sound .. For our veterans and graves ravaged ..
  9. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 1 December 2019 09: 46
    0
    404 in general, it is better not to produce anything in addition to dung, western friends will sell the rest exorbitantly for the rest.
  10. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 1 December 2019 09: 50
    0
    In my opinion, you can use it once, start it with explosives, and put it on the adversary.
  11. askort154
    askort154 1 December 2019 09: 52
    +1
    in the Verkhovna Rada, the Ukrainian boats were called "cans", which were even shot through with training ammunition.

    And most importantly - it is not painted in a yellow-black color. negative
    1. cniza
      cniza 1 December 2019 12: 12
      +1
      Quote: askort154


      And most importantly - it is not painted in a yellow-black color. negative


      Apparently the paint is over.
  12. HAM
    HAM 1 December 2019 09: 55
    +2
    How is it - criticism ... but about Ukraine you can only do well, or nothing ... well, how about .......
  13. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 1 December 2019 10: 00
    +2
    From ukrov sailors, as from Zelensky, the head of state.
  14. vmo
    vmo 1 December 2019 10: 02
    0
    it is necessary and who could think!
  15. K-50
    K-50 1 December 2019 10: 19
    +7
    We cannot make armored personnel carriers normally, not like a ship

    Here !!!
    And "under the Soviet occupation" they produced cruisers, aircraft carriers, not counting any other ship products, tanks, armored personnel carriers and much more. fellow
  16. tarakan
    tarakan 1 December 2019 10: 51
    +1
    Unfortunately, there is one minus in the Russian boat, a kamikaze behind a machine gun.
    1. Donald72
      Donald72 1 December 2019 11: 00
      +1
      Yes, he himself is not that the armored car of the Second World War. Well, the armor plates could stick.
    2. svp67
      svp67 1 December 2019 11: 09
      +1
      Quote: tarakan
      Unfortunately, there is one minus in the Russian boat, a kamikaze behind a machine gun.

      Yes, you are right an open machine-gun mount, now is not the best option, although there is an option to install the Vikhr-K missile and artillery complex, but it has a significant mass, which means the speed of the boat will fall
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 1 December 2019 12: 10
        0
        Last year we tested the marine version of the DBM 6S21, maybe someday the border guards will break off.
    3. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 1 December 2019 11: 44
      +2
      Quote: tarakan
      Unfortunately, there is one minus in the Russian boat, a kamikaze behind a machine gun

      This is not a combat boat, but a patrol boat ... It should not engage in firefights with other combat units.
      Scaring poachers or smugglers is normal laughing
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 1 December 2019 12: 35
        +3
        This is not a combat boat, but a patrol ...

        They just didn't bother, they put the Uprava-Kord DBM with a 03160-mm machine gun on patrolmen 14,5 "Raptor".
    4. K-50
      K-50 1 December 2019 12: 02
      +3
      Quote: tarakan
      Unfortunately, there is one minus in the Russian boat, a kamikaze behind a machine gun.

      The Russian boat is the essence of border security. Not intended for active combat. Rushed over, searched, and then in fact, or released or arrested.
      For combat, we have completely different ships, with different capabilities and weapons.
      The brothers, already neglected, their "Gyurza" are essentially the only combat craft, and therefore climb with them into every hole.
      Sinful to compare, sinful. lol
  17. Donald72
    Donald72 1 December 2019 10: 57
    +2
    In vain, he’s talking about the purchase of other people's boats. Need tenders with normal tech. the task is to play inside his strona, and not to shout his best.
  18. sabakina
    sabakina 1 December 2019 11: 26
    +1
    I looked at the photo and now I didn’t understand .... If ours has at least some sign of belonging to the state ... then they don’t even have a pirate flag ...
    1. cost
      cost 1 December 2019 13: 06
      +2
      I specifically inform prosecutors that this is a photo of the escort of a detained Ukrainian boat to the place of transfer. Until the moment of transfer, he was considered to be arrested and no flags were put to him.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 1 December 2019 19: 41
        +1
        Dima. thank. After looking at the photo, I thought it was BEFORE, not AFTER.
  19. Meliodous
    Meliodous 1 December 2019 11: 39
    0
    Leaving politics aside, thinking sensibly, then Ukraine needs to produce these boats. Even if they are unsuccessful for service at sea (like a centaur, like a gyurza). Just if they now amicably say: "we can't!" and will buy boats abroad, then in a couple of years the last competencies in shipbuilding will be lost. So, what is next?
    So the author of the article is wrong.
    1. artifact
      artifact 1 December 2019 14: 13
      0
      then in a couple of years, the latest competencies in shipbuilding will be lost.
      in principle, this is what should happen. it will be better for everyone, even the Sumerians themselves ...
  20. Sitearvi
    Sitearvi 1 December 2019 12: 30
    +1
    In 82, I was in Nikolaev at a shipyard, there was such a plant, which ships were built, repaired and now buy used boats in the west, a disgrace.
  21. major147
    major147 1 December 2019 13: 22
    0
    In Ukraine, domestic boats were criticized and Russian praised

    Yes, it’s zrada! Take the tires ......!
  22. NF68
    NF68 1 December 2019 16: 02
    0
    This was stated by Putin's "agents".
  23. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 1 December 2019 17: 55
    0
    Let them learn. Only now on their mistakes. And then, spoiled Galya ..
  24. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 1 December 2019 19: 27
    0
    About seaworthiness, remember Tour Heyerdahl and his "Ra", "Kon Tiki", "Tigris" - a sailor and on a raft will conquer the ocean-sea ... About "Ukrainian armor" - keeps "blanks" and okay ... When comparing, T. Chmuta could start with the price ...
  25. Dima_Anlim
    Dima_Anlim 2 December 2019 12: 34
    0
    Yes, it is easier for Ukrainians to hire the same Turks or even Romanians with their coast guard boats for their border services, it will come out cheaper and easier than building their fleet
  26. Captain45
    Captain45 2 December 2019 14: 17
    0
    According to Ilya Kiva, a deputy from the Opposition Platform - For Life faction, the boats produced by the Poroshenko plant were initially unsuitable for military operations, since mistakes and miscalculations were made in their design. (C)
    "And then on the fourth day, Sharp Eye noticed that there was no wall in the barn. That's how we escaped from captivity." laughing