In Ukraine, domestic boats were criticized and Russian praised

Patrol boat of the 12200 project of the Coast Guard of the Russian Federation and the Navy Gyurza-M MBAK

In Ukraine, the Ukrainian artillery boat of the Gyurza-M type was compared with the Russian patrol boat of the 12200 project Sable. According to the military expert, the head of the Ukrainian military (military) center Taras Chmut, the comparison was not in favor of the Ukrainian boat.

Chmut compared the characteristics of the Gyurza-M type MBAK and the Russian patrol boat, recognizing the superiority of the latter. He wrote about this on his Twitter.

Ukrainian MBAK (about 54 tons) and Russian "Sable" (about 57,5 tons). It is interesting to compare the hull contours of boats of the same tonnage. It is immediately clear that MBAKs are not adapted in any way to either speed or full-fledged actions at sea. I hope that the eight Naval Forces will finish their purchase

- He wrote.

Answering readers' questions, he explained that a Russian boat is twice as fast as a Ukrainian one and has an advantage in seaworthiness. The declared radar invisibility of the Gyurza-M does not exceed the same characteristic of a larger Russian boat.

The expert also criticized Ukrainian-made Centaur assault landing boats, saying that the best way out for Ukraine would not be to build its own boats, but to purchase used Western-made ships.

We cannot make armored personnel carriers normally, not like a ship

- he added.

Earlier in the Verkhovna Rada, Ukrainian boats were called "cans", shot through even with educational ammunition. According to the deputy from the Opposition Platform - For Life faction, Ilya Kiva, the boats produced by the Poroshenko plant were initially unsuitable for warfare, since mistakes and miscalculations were made during their design.

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[Gromozeka]

Everything is relative...

[Ross xnumx]

In Ukraine, domestic boats were criticized and Russian praised

Quote: Thunderclock

Everything is relative...

Still would! In Russian, there are toilets in place, and switches with sockets ... And cases made of composites or metal, not papier-mâché ...

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Thunderclock

Everything is relative...

This is not a lighter carrier of the type "A. Kosygin" to build!

[Thrall]

We urgently need to invite Rostik general designers to the meeting. He will show them how to cut a ship out of cardboard from Roshen sweets.

[krot]

We cannot make armored personnel carriers normally, not like a ship

But how did the Sumerians dug the black sea, made the first satellite, created Mriya, and half of human inventions in principle? It turns out the degradation of the nation on the face! Moreover, at a progressive pace
And by the way. Now the ruin will write off these two armored boats of the boat? because for the overhaul of the toilet they will need 2,5 million green, according to their estimates)) Well, we beheaded the entire fleet of Sumerians)))

[svp67]

Quote: ROSS 42

And cases made of composites or metal,

Want to say that they can withstand shelling with 30 mm shells?

[Alexander Petrov1]

They are, of course, to put it mildly, "strange people", they also have their own turbines and weapons for a full cycle and there are a bunch of institutes and shipyards, which is difficult to build not even a boat, but a small artillery or rocket ship and to spoil the Soviet missiles for which they have complete documentation.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

They are, of course, to put it mildly, "strange people", they also have their own turbines and weapons for a full cycle and there are a bunch of institutes and shipyards, which is difficult to build not even a boat, but a small artillery or rocket ship and to spoil the Soviet missiles for which they have complete documentation.

First, you need to find the money. Then - somehow manage to make sure that this money reaches those who would do all this, and would not dissolve directly in Kiev.
I will just remind you that under Profesor, right after the news about the beginning of construction by Ukraine of a series of corvettes "Vladimir the Great" (yes, there was such a thing), the following news came that the designer never received money for the project of the corvette handed over to the customer.
Further - weapons. We discard ship artillery and ZAK / ZRAK at once - this is Peter or Tula. SCRC - yes, there is Neptune. Shipborne air defense systems - here you need to do something from aviation RVV, since shipborne air defense systems remained in the Russian Federation.

[demo]

Yes. And again: friends are known in the bidet.

[Sailor]

Yes. And again: friends are known in the bidet

Correctly write "bidet"
Best regards

[demo]

So the fact of the matter is that I know how to do it right. But the "spelling writer" requires just that !!!!!

[Sailor]

computers ...

[parkello]

why poke them in a bidet? wash the galleries? so it is ... there is a bath for this, why squeeze them in a bidet?

[WILL]

Oh how! Parashenko (that sounds better) - on Ray, by the neck, but you can also by the legs! There’s nothing to build Byak! Lenin Forge - to select and share!

[cost]

The expert also said that the best solution for Ukraine would not be the construction of its own boats, but the purchase of used Western-made ships.

I wonder how much money the Western military-industrial complex paid this "patriotic expert"?

[Ros 56]

Well, take it all right, but why divide it, let them make ships for the Southwestern Federal District of the Russian Federation.

[rocket757]

In this case, there is nothing to compare ... on those boats to write that it’s a Moskina guard and all business.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Quickly this "patriot" pereobulsya!)) In person I do not remember, but the name ... a year ago, somewhere in the Ukrainian media spoke. And he pulled the song "everything is good". And here on you! But, judging by how and what he compares with each other, it becomes clear that the expert is not so-so ... I would also put a pleasure yacht next to him. What? With the same tonnage, her lines are better, and the material / workmanship is incomparable, there is a lot of chrome, and the girls on the deck can be picturesquely arranged

[Moore]

Yes, the normal gesheft Waltzman muddied. You are welcome.

[knn54]

Why build-organization of production is a headache.
It’s easier to buy a used one, GET A ROLLBACK and forget it.
Thanks to such "Taras" the industry (and not only the military) of Ukraine will come to an end.
And WHY we can’t build the "critic" CLEARLY did not think.

[Mountain shooter]

And before it was not obvious? Ships made of cardboard, as if armored they threw them to storm the bridge ... How were they not drowned there? It’s curious, but in the slightest storm these "dreadnoughts" would have sailed anywhere?

[vmo]

but it’s not the waterways (it’s impossible to name the sailors) by and large it’s to blame, and the Cockerel yes the tank admiral, SBU, since everything in modern Ukraine, no reason, just drool

[Starper-xnumx]

Eh Chmut, open the history of the USSR and see what Ukraine produced in those days .. and where is ALL this?
Now on the outskirts, one item of profit is "tyrit gas" from Russia and yelling about the Russian threat (while they pay, but the State Department is already cutting funding ...)

[den3080]

Quote: Starper-777

Eh Chmut, open the history of the USSR and see what Ukraine produced in those days .. and where is ALL this?
Now on the outskirts, one item of profit is "tyrit gas" from Russia and yelling about the Russian threat (while they pay, but the State Department is already cutting funding ...)

Still, two articles of income :) You yourself wrote:
1. Russophobia
2. steal gas

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: den3080

Still, two articles of income :) You yourself wrote:
1. Russophobia
2. steal gas

There is a third article, it is to work in Russia as guest workers .. There are about 5 million of them, not counting prostitutes ..
Families need to be fed somehow .. I understand them and regret ..

[cniza]

Vitaly, you scare me ... people are sorry yes, but the latter?

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: cniza

Vitaly, you scare me ... people are sorry yes, but the latter?

Last, it's nice .. But I feel sorry for these blyaad, Beautiful bastards all the same .. hehe But stupid!

[cniza]

On the taste and color ... but for me - save God.

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: cniza

On the taste and color ... but for me - save God.

My first wife, a Ukrainian (thoroughbred), was .... almost died from this attraction, drove a fool out of my mind ..., but the son remained eh
Well, that’s how it was. Polka (second wife) was a bitch, of course, but at least everything was honest .. Well, my son is not bad at all ..

[cniza]

Thank God, children are the main thing ...

[naburkin]

Not five. Four million. Five in Europe.

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: naburkin

Not five. Four million. Five in Europe.

Five was in 2015. Now all 10 are probably .. They are working silently and with anger. But they need eye-to-eye popping, they love everything that lies badly ..
You ask them how you feel about Kiev and its politics .. Your eyes turn red, but they are stupidly silent and they’re doing the right thing hehe
Let them work
And so they want their favorite song include German Marlene

When we judge, it will all sound .. For our veterans and graves ravaged ..

[Incvizitor]

404 in general, it is better not to produce anything in addition to dung, western friends will sell the rest exorbitantly for the rest.

[Chaldon48]

In my opinion, you can use it once, start it with explosives, and put it on the adversary.

[askort154]

in the Verkhovna Rada, the Ukrainian boats were called "cans", which were even shot through with training ammunition.

And most importantly - it is not painted in a yellow-black color.

[cniza]

Quote: askort154

And most importantly - it is not painted in a yellow-black color.

Apparently the paint is over.

[HAM]

How is it - criticism ... but about Ukraine you can only do well, or nothing ... well, how about .......

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

From ukrov sailors, as from Zelensky, the head of state.

[vmo]

it is necessary and who could think!

[K-50]

We cannot make armored personnel carriers normally, not like a ship

Here !!!
And "under the Soviet occupation" they produced cruisers, aircraft carriers, not counting any other ship products, tanks, armored personnel carriers and much more.

[tarakan]

Unfortunately, there is one minus in the Russian boat, a kamikaze behind a machine gun.

[Donald72]

Yes, he himself is not that the armored car of the Second World War. Well, the armor plates could stick.

[svp67]

Quote: tarakan

Unfortunately, there is one minus in the Russian boat, a kamikaze behind a machine gun.

Yes, you are right an open machine-gun mount, now is not the best option, although there is an option to install the Vikhr-K missile and artillery complex, but it has a significant mass, which means the speed of the boat will fall

[strannik1985]

Last year we tested the marine version of the DBM 6S21, maybe someday the border guards will break off.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: tarakan

Unfortunately, there is one minus in the Russian boat, a kamikaze behind a machine gun

This is not a combat boat, but a patrol boat ... It should not engage in firefights with other combat units.
Scaring poachers or smugglers is normal

[strannik1985]

This is not a combat boat, but a patrol ...

They just didn't bother, they put the Uprava-Kord DBM with a 03160-mm machine gun on patrolmen 14,5 "Raptor".

[K-50]

Quote: tarakan

Unfortunately, there is one minus in the Russian boat, a kamikaze behind a machine gun.

The Russian boat is the essence of border security. Not intended for active combat. Rushed over, searched, and then in fact, or released or arrested.
For combat, we have completely different ships, with different capabilities and weapons.
The brothers, already neglected, their "Gyurza" are essentially the only combat craft, and therefore climb with them into every hole.
Sinful to compare, sinful.

[Donald72]

In vain, he’s talking about the purchase of other people's boats. Need tenders with normal tech. the task is to play inside his strona, and not to shout his best.

[sabakina]

I looked at the photo and now I didn’t understand .... If ours has at least some sign of belonging to the state ... then they don’t even have a pirate flag ...

[cost]

I specifically inform prosecutors that this is a photo of the escort of a detained Ukrainian boat to the place of transfer. Until the moment of transfer, he was considered to be arrested and no flags were put to him.

[sabakina]

Dima. thank. After looking at the photo, I thought it was BEFORE, not AFTER.

[Meliodous]

Leaving politics aside, thinking sensibly, then Ukraine needs to produce these boats. Even if they are unsuccessful for service at sea (like a centaur, like a gyurza). Just if they now amicably say: "we can't!" and will buy boats abroad, then in a couple of years the last competencies in shipbuilding will be lost. So, what is next?
So the author of the article is wrong.

[artifact]

then in a couple of years, the latest competencies in shipbuilding will be lost.
in principle, this is what should happen. it will be better for everyone, even the Sumerians themselves ...

[Sitearvi]

In 82, I was in Nikolaev at a shipyard, there was such a plant, which ships were built, repaired and now buy used boats in the west, a disgrace.

[major147]

In Ukraine, domestic boats were criticized and Russian praised

Yes, it’s zrada! Take the tires ......!

[NF68]

This was stated by Putin's "agents".

[Al_lexx]

Let them learn. Only now on their mistakes. And then, spoiled Galya ..

[cat Rusich]

About seaworthiness, remember Tour Heyerdahl and his "Ra", "Kon Tiki", "Tigris" - a sailor and on a raft will conquer the ocean-sea ... About "Ukrainian armor" - keeps "blanks" and okay ... When comparing, T. Chmuta could start with the price ...

[Dima_Anlim]

Yes, it is easier for Ukrainians to hire the same Turks or even Romanians with their coast guard boats for their border services, it will come out cheaper and easier than building their fleet

[Captain45]

According to Ilya Kiva, a deputy from the Opposition Platform - For Life faction, the boats produced by the Poroshenko plant were initially unsuitable for military operations, since mistakes and miscalculations were made in their design. (C)
"And then on the fourth day, Sharp Eye noticed that there was no wall in the barn. That's how we escaped from captivity."