The first over-the-horizon radar "Container" takes up combat duty

Starting today (December 1 2019, Sunday), the first overseas 29B6 Container type radar station is on combat duty. It is reported by the Ministry of Defense.

In the village of Kovylkino of the Republic of Mordovia, on December 1, as part of the Aerospace Forces, he will take up combat duty of the overhead detection radar of the “Container” type

- said in a statement.

The military department noted that this is the first station of this type, fully completed state tests and accepted into operation by the Ministry of Defense. She was on pilot combat duty for exactly a year - from December 1 to 2018 of the year. This radar will control the airspace over Europe to a great depth.

In total, four such stations are planned to be deployed: one each in the west and east of the country, two more will be deployed in the north-west and south directions. Stations are specially built inland, as they have a “dead zone” of 900 km.

Radars are designed to detect all types of aerodynamic targets, including airplanes, cruise missiles, hypersonic aircraft and so on. "Container" is able to control flights of any air targets at a distance of about 3 thousand kilometers in the sector 240 degrees. A radar can simultaneously track over 5 of thousands of airborne objects of various types, including small ones.

Comments

[Donald72]

TTX is impressive. And even a curious moment that our radar boasts of 100-300km. and then the dead zone 900 for it all at a glance.

[1976AG]

And it’s good that not near the border, because it is more reliable.

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Donald72

TTX impress.

Is there something or someone obliging us to disclose individual performance characteristics (range, dead zones, etc.) or other features of operation? Let it not be "all", but the meaning is, okay, when this product is for export, but I think, "superfluous" is. Our "partners" need to know in more detail, let them spend, invest strength and money in this business, and not get it on a "silver platter" first-hand.

[1976AG]

Regardless of whether we published TTX or not, they will all the same, as you say, spend money, invest effort and money, because they still will not believe that the true characteristics are published.

[Alexey LK]

Quote: Vladimir61

do not get on a "silver platter" first hand.

And where did you get the idea that the given performance characteristics are pure (and complete) truth? The basic parameters of radiation can be estimated, but they don’t disclose details (the presence of a dead zone is not a secret, and it’s not at all a fact that it is exactly 900 km, plus it also depends on atmospheric and other conditions, etc.).

[Alien From]

One question ...... the population does not go bald ???

[1976AG]

We have a dead zone of 900 km, and let the west go bald.

[Alien From]

West even acne covered)))

[SASHA OLD]

so it is "ordinary" radar, and then over-the-horizon - its waves are reflected in a different way: they are reflected from the ionosphere, for example (for example, decameter)

[Servisinzhener]

There are no contradictions in both statements. But there are nuances.
It is very simplistic to describe this difference as follows:
In the case when the radar sees at 100-300 km it works according to a simple scheme. The signal is reflected from the plane and returned back.
And this radar was made so that the signal reflected from the ionosphere hit the plane, reflected from it and received by the radar.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Donald72

Performance characteristics are impressive

Particularly impressive are residents of nearby settlements

[aszzz888]

Radar can simultaneously accompany more 5 thousand air objects various types, including small ones.

Very solid, you will not say anything !!!

[PN]

The computer should not be frail, so that 5 thousand objects can be processed and maintained.

[Svetlana]

Quote: PN

The computer should not be frail, so that 5 thousand objects can be processed and maintained.

There, I am sure, a cluster, not one machine.

[KCA]

If you don’t use a sweet couple of WIntel, then even a computer of level 8086 is enough, 5000 objects are nonsense, in toys an order of magnitude more objects are miscalculated, or even by 2-3 orders of magnitude, due to the fashionable trend towards a destructible environment

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: KCA

If you do not use a sweet couple of WIntel, then even a computer of level 8086 is enough

Yeah, 4004. What are they, the busurmans, to regret.

[Advisor to the Council of Advisers]

Serious station.

[cost]

two-coordinate over-the-horizon sky-wave radar 29B6 "Container" of the reconnaissance and warning system of an aerospace attack was developed by the Moscow Scientific and Production Complex "Research Institute of Long-Range Radio Communication" with the participation of JSC "Pravdinskoye Design Bureau" (Balakhna, Nizhny Novgorod Region) 5452, military unit 80158). In Kovylkino the receiving part and the main hardware part of the radar station (site No. 2) are located, another part of the station with radiating antennas is located at site No. 1 near Gorodets (Nizhny Novgorod region)
The receiving antenna system of the 29B6 "Container" radar in Kovylkino consists of 144 antenna-feeder masts 34,155 m high and 1300 m long and 200 m deep. The detection range of air targets is over 3000 km, the field of view is 240 degrees.






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[Gromozeka]

rich (dmitry)! This ZGRLS is designed to detect and track only air targets with a flight altitude of up to 40 km ...

[cost]

What is the point of your clarification?

[Gromozeka]

ZGRLS "Container" is designed to detect and track only air targets with a flight altitude of about 40 km. You just do not have such an important parameter.
https://dfnc.ru/katalog-vooruzhenij/rls-sprn-i-pvo/29b6-kontejner/

[Operator]

ZGRLS are designed to detect both air and surface targets (see the open performance characteristics of the ZGRLS "Sunflower-E"). Working range - decameter (wavelength from 10 to 100 meters). The maximum detection altitude of air targets is determined by the height of the reflection of the sounding radio emission from the ionosphere. The detection range is determined by the transmitter power (about 1,5 MW for the Container OGRLS), the resolution - by the wavelength and the mode of reflection of the probe radiation from the ionosphere.

In the single-hop mode (single-shot reflection) when operating in the near decameter range, the resolution of the Container ZGRLS is 5 meters at a distance of 3000 km.

In the two-hop mode (double reflection) when operating in the far decameter range, the resolution of the Container ZGRLS is 50 meters at a distance of 6000 km.

[Vladimir_2U]

Obviously much cheaper than "Darial", and if it is an analogue, then it's just great! And if not, then it's still not bad.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Obviously much cheaper than "Darial"

Why would she be cheaper than "Darial"?

[Vladimir_2U]

At least due to the rejection of a huge building.

[Operator]

The "Container" over-the-horizon radar is several times cheaper than any over-the-horizon missile attack warning system due to a simpler antenna system.

[Good_Anonymous]

The building is not huge. And the price of the box itself is nonsense compared to its filling.

[Vladimir_2U]

Well, if the concrete box 100 * 100 * 50 m is not a huge building, then it costs a penny, obviously.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Well, if a concrete box of 100 * 100 * 50 m is not a huge building

The huge is Don-2N:

This radar is a tetrahedral truncated pyramid with a height of 33–35 m, side lengths of 130–144 m at the base and 90–100

And "Darial" is just big.

[Vladimir_2U]

If one huge building is slightly larger than another huge building, then this does not turn the second into an ordinary one.

Are there two such penny boxes? The height is three times almost more, one foundation for which this fool is worth. Even if a third of the cost of the system was simply spent on capital construction, then this is huge, not even money, money.

[Starper-xnumx]

Oh, to such radar S-400-500 for a complete set and more ..
Then you can sleep peacefully.

[Mountain shooter]

Europe covers the whole ... Well, almost, taking into account the "dead zone" ... The addition to the "Voronezh", obviously, will work together with them. You see better, you live longer

[Fuse angel]

The stations are specially built in the depths of the territory, as they have a "dead zone" of 900 km

It’s so good that we have such a huge country that it’s possible to build radars with such a dead zone, not in every country this is possible

[askort154]

What is important - it is able to recognize hypersonic targets at a distance of 3000 km.
That is, there is already a reserve for the future. According to their plan should be built
4 pcs., Which will allow to control the airspace of neighboring states.

[Konstantin Ivanov]

A very expensive station, everything new is a well-forgotten old one, at first they broke similar stations deployed under the Soviet Union, now they are rebuilding.

[Lena Petrova]

Quote: Konstantin Ivanov

A very expensive station, everything new is a well-forgotten old one, at first they broke similar stations deployed under the Soviet Union, now they are rebuilding.

Well, they thought that there would be friendship with "partners" and love. It turned out that without Russophobia, they wouldn’t take them to Europe, and the states wouldn’t take it.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Konstantin Ivanov

first broke similar stations deployed under the Soviet Union

Soviet stations simply worked out their own.

[Svetlana]

They did not break. Those that were in the territories of the republics became the property of new states.

[Mwg]

Thank God, we are starting to return the achievements of the USSR in defense. Here, over-the-horizon radars are introduced again.

[knn54]

http://www.famhist.ru/famhist/kisunko/0000f8bd.htm

[PSih2097]

Quote: MVG

Thank God, we are starting to return the achievements of the USSR in defense. Here, over-the-horizon radars are introduced again.

exactly, it reminded me ... Radar 5Н32 "Arc" in Chernobyl-2.

[Bongo]

Quote: PSih2097

face-to-face, it reminded me ... Radar 5N32 "Arc" in Chernobyl-2

This station was part of the early warning system, and was mainly intended to fix the launch of ICBMs and SLBMs. The antennas of another Duga radar were located south and north of Komsomolsk-on-Amur. In the vicinity of the villages of Kartel and Lian. In the early 90s, there was a fire at this station and it was dismantled. Now in the place where the antenna was located not far from the Cartel, the S-400 division is deployed. And in Liana everything is sad, the military town is destroyed.

[Anton Yu]

I hope it is not like "Doug"

[Operator]

The Soviet ZGRLS "Duga" was an order of magnitude more expensive (in comparable prices) than the Russian ZGRLS "Container" due to a much more expensive antenna system designed to operate in a three-hop mode (threefold reflection of probe radiation from the ionosphere) in order to increase the detection range of ionized trail from the launch of ICBMs and SLBMs.

The Duga demonstrated unreliable operation in the three-hop mode, so the Container was originally designed for a two-hop mode with a range of 6000 km (detection at this range of targets such as strategic bombers, ionized traces from the launch of ballistic missiles and surface ships, starting with corvettes).

[Chaldon48]

There should be enough missiles ready for battle, this station is just a sight to it, you need a "gun" constantly ready for battle.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Chaldon48

this station is just a sight

This station is not a sight, but an observation post. Contributed Contributor

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Chaldon48

There should be enough missiles ready for battle, this station is just a sight to it, you need a "gun" constantly ready for battle.

This is never a sight. This is a keen eye without a sight.

[Operator]

The range resolution of the "Container" ZGRLS is 1 km, and the azimuth is 1 degree.

That is enough to issue external target designation to missiles equipped with active radar seeker.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Operator

The range resolution of the "Container" ZGRLS is 1 km, and the azimuth is 1 degree.

Which is enough to issue external target designation to missiles,

If school geometry doesn’t fail me, then 1 degree at a distance of 900km is 54km. Do you really think that is enough?

[Operator]

It all depends on the capabilities of the ARGS missile.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Operator

Quote: Good_Anonymous

1 degree at a distance of 900km is 54km. Do you really think that is enough?

It all depends on the capabilities of the ARGS missile.

By the way, for 2000km 1 degree gives 120km But, of course, everything depends on the ARGSN.

[KAA_57]

It changes. 1 degree at a distance of 900 km is about 15 km.
Because in a circle of 360 degrees. This water boils at 100.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: KAA_57

in a circle of 360 degrees. This water boils at 100.

Forever forget about it.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Operator

The range resolution of the "Container" ZGRLS is 1 km, and the azimuth is 1 degree.

That is enough to issue external target designation to missiles equipped with active radar seeker.

The fact that ZGRLS two-coordinate does not bother? There is a target at 13 km or 30 m in height, does it play a role?

[Chaldon48]

All the same, the "keen eye" will help its owner little if he does not have enough funds to eliminate the noticed danger.

[Pavel57]

An example to the issue of the presence of large territories.

[rocket757]

Interception / defense systems + airspace CONTROL system, this is optimal ... Yes, there are also "tanks" on the head, so that if something happens, the enemy "airfields" can be covered!

[Lesorub]

The container "is capable of controlling flights of any air targets at a distance of about 3 thousand kilometers in a sector of 240 degrees.

The range is impressive - airspace control at a strategic range!

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Lesorub

Range is impressive

EPR and probability of detection are not indicated.

[Bongo]

Quote: Good_Anonymous

EPR and probability of detection are not indicated.

For low-altitude targets, ZGRLS are not capable of working, although they see aircraft flying well made with elements of technology of low radar visibility not bad. This is a peacetime standby radar. They have a very great vulnerability, they are not able to issue accurate target designation for air targets.

[Good_Anonymous]

I mean, what is the point of secreting the characteristics, if this radar was even offered for export.

Quote: Bongo

Aircraft made with elements of technology of low radar visibility are seen quite well.

If this is from the same row as meter radars that see stealth, then it is not very convincing (although probably physically justified), especially after the 2013 incident with the F-22 and the Iranian F-4.

[sivuch]

The fact is that meter radars do see stealth - worse than decameter and much better than decimeter. This is independent of the 2013 incident, which, to my shame, I have not heard anything reliable. Yes, in my opinion, I have not heard at all.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: sivuch

This is independent of the 2013 incident, which, to my shame, I have not heard anything reliable. Yes, in my opinion, I haven’t heard at all

In short, next to the Iranian F-4, which was about to intercept an American drone, suddenly appeared F-22. Despite the fact that the area was viewed by a variety of radars - from air defense to air traffic control.

At least that is the version of the Americans.

[sivuch]

Does the Iranian Defense Ministry agree that the F-22 was suddenly?
In any case, to give long conclusions from this incident is somehow not serious.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: sivuch

Does the Iranian Defense Ministry agree that the F-22 was suddenly?

I would be very surprised at this.

Quote: sivuch

to give long conclusions from this incident - somehow frivolously

And to draw conclusions from what seriously? Besides the results of the war, of course.

[Anton Yu]

The 5N32 Duga radar also had a range of 3000 km and the cost of three stations with transmitting centers was 7 billion Soviet rubles.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Vladimir61

Our "partners" need to know in more detail, let them spend money, invest in this business efforts and means, and do not get it on a "silver platter" at first hand.

The physical principle of the operation of over-the-horizon radars is described in the open literature decades ago. He is well known to our opponents - they also work in this area.

[Bongo]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

The physical principle of the operation of over-the-horizon radars is described in the open literature decades ago. He is well known to our opponents - they also work in this area.

ZGRLS are available in the USA, Australia and China.

[voyaka uh]

I saw a picket fence of such antennas in Israel. I don’t know what they’re cutting.

[Operator]

"Well, Bongo, did the cartoons help you?" (FROM)

Lying is not good, but continuing to lie (the ZGRLS lacks the ability to target for anti-aircraft missiles with ARGSN) is even worse.

[region58]

Quote: Operator

target designation capabilities for anti-aircraft missiles with ARGSN

Would you please briefly explain how you imagine this?

[Operator]

I’m sorry, I didn’t understand - explain what: the principle of radar, the method of target selection and / or the method of transmitting external target designation data?

[region58]

Quote: Operator

did not understand - explain what

You can, of course, talk about selection methods (by the way - not an easy task), but let’s why it is simpler ... I’m talking about what purpose you are going to shoot down with an anti-aircraft missile for several thousand kilometers, what size and weight this missile will have, how much it will fly to the target, how to correct it, and will there be anything to shoot down when it flies?

[Operator]

The detection range of the ZGRLS target is counted from the station’s base, but the flight range of an anti-aircraft, cruise or ballistic missile is counted from the place of their start, while the basing point and the start place do not have to coincide (transmitting the target’s coordinates via a wired or over-the-air communication line).

At the maximum detection range of the ZGRLS "Container" in two-hop mode (6000 km), the following can reach the surface target:
- MRBM "Rubezh", starting at a distance from the target (AUG or KUG) no more than 5500 km with a flight time of 15 minutes;
- KR "Zircon", starting at a distance from the target (ship) no more than 1000 km with a flight time of 6 minutes.
Over the indicated time, the surface target at a speed of 60 km / h will go away from the detection point by 15 and 6 km, respectively, which is less than the possibility of hitting a nuclear warhead (in the first case) or detecting an ARGS (in the second case).

At the maximum detection range of the ZGRLS "Container" in single-hop mode (3000 km), the following can reach an air target:
- S-500 rocket, starting at a distance from the target of not more than 500 km with a flight time of 5 minutes;
- RVV-BD rocket, starting at a distance to the target of not more than 300 km with a flight time of 5 minutes.
During the indicated time, an air target at a speed of 900 km / h will leave the detection point by 75 km, which is less than the detection capabilities of the ARGS missile (in the first case) or the onboard radar of the carrier aircraft with further radio command guidance of the rocket to the ARGSN capture line (in the second case) .

[region58]

Yeah ... It’s a pity that in real life there are no such conditions under which it would be possible to implement the methods of using ZGRLS indicated by you.

[sivuch]

Actually, speaking, this is exactly the direction that the developers of air defense equipment are going.
There have already been successful experiments in the United States, where all the cursed penguin gave TS for marine Standards. Of course, the accuracy of the 3-cm radar is much higher, but the accuracy of the radar (like the ground stations of RTR) is enough. The only problem can be only the 3rd coordinate, i.e. height

[Bongo]

Quote: sivuch

Of course, the accuracy of the 3-cm radar is much higher, but the accuracy of the radar (like the ground stations of RTR) is enough.

ZGRLS may be sufficient for the issuance of target designation for naval targets, but not for air targets.

[sivuch]

During this time, an air target at a speed of 900 km / h will leave the detection point at 75 km
This is much more than the ability of the ARGS most typical goals. Another thing is that zurku can be adjusted in flight

[Bongo]

Quote: sivuch

During this time, an air target at a speed of 900 km / h will leave the detection point at 75 km
This is much more than the ability of the ARGS most typical goals. Another thing is that zurku can be adjusted in flight

When shooting at what range?

[sivuch]

Is this a matter of principle? With a range of firing zurki in n-hundred km, zglls will continue to track the target. Of course, provided that the radar itself has not yet been gouged and that the designers have solved all the problems associated with pairing a snake and a hedgehog

[Bongo]

Quote: sivuch

Is this a matter of principle?

If we compare the detection range of ZGRLS and the launch range of missiles, then yes.

Quote: sivuch

With a zurka firing range of n-hundred km, the zagrls will continue to track the target.

Duc in the troops there is nothing long-range 250 km yet. In my opinion, the construction of ZGRLS in the Russian Federation should compensate for the lack of a constant watch on the AWACS aircraft.

Quote: sivuch

Of course, provided that the radar itself has not yet been gouged and that the designers have solved all the problems associated with pairing a snake and a hedgehog

You understand that stations of this type are extremely vulnerable, as far as pairing is concerned, we will not recognize this.

[Bongo]

Quote: Operator

"Well, Bongo, did the cartoons help you?"

Andrey, of course I understand that "oddities" happen to you on a regular basis. But what is this for?

Quote: Operator

Lying is not good, but continuing to lie (the ZGRLS lacks the ability to target for anti-aircraft missiles with ARGSN) is even worse.

And this is written by a person who has a reputation on the site as a "dreamer"? If you served in the armed forces, and even more so in RTV or ZRV, you might know that even the Oborona-14 radar, which also operates in the meter range and is also two-axis not able to give accurate target designation for air defense systems, but only carries out preliminary reconnaissance of targets. For example, PRV-200 was used to provide target designation for the S-17VM air defense guidance system.

[sivuch]

Sergei, with all due respect, it’s somehow not very logical to talk about Sapsan using the example of a steam locomotive Felix Dzerzhinsky. Other times, other mores, different guidance systems.

[Bongo]

Quote: sivuch

Sergei, with all due respect, it’s somehow not very logical to talk about Sapsan using the example of a steam locomotive Felix Dzerzhinsky. Other times, other mores, different guidance systems.

Hello, Igor! Do you sincerely believe that ZGRLS are capable of issuing target designation of air defense systems?
As for the "Felix Dzerzhinsky steam locomotive", it, like the "Sapsan", travels on rails, and the physics of the process is the same for them, with different filling. By the way, the Oborona-14 radar is still in operation, and is very good in a number of parameters.

[sivuch]

With the accuracy of determining the coordinates (which is not a resolution, well, you know that ) several kilometers when using an active head? and what is the fundamental impossibility? I still see one very serious problem - the lack of a 3rd coordinate

[Bongo]

Quote: sivuch

I still see one very serious problem - the lack of a 3rd coordinate

And that too.
You have an idea of ​​how information about the target and in what form it enters the control cabin of the air defense system. How do you propose to pair the data received from the ZGRLS with the missile guidance station, even if we agree that the accuracy of determining the coordinates of the ZGRLS is acceptable, which I personally do not believe. For example, with the same "Defense-14" this is impossible, with a much shorter range.

[sivuch]

Do you mean unified protocols? Honestly, I don’t know how to deal with them now.
And what feudal farms were in Soviet times - in general, it is known.
Maybe this is really only a bright future, it's hard for me to judge from the couch. But even if zgrls gives preliminary TSU to the same Sky - Look in a solid angle 1 on 1 hail - that is already a lot. Plus an additional possibility of selection from all sorts of Mulds.

[Bongo]

Quote: sivuch

Do you mean unified protocols? Honestly, I don’t know how to deal with them now.
And what feudal farms were in Soviet times - in general, it is known.
Maybe this is really only a bright future, it's hard for me to judge from the couch. But even if zgrls gives preliminary TSU to the same Sky - Look in a solid angle 1 on 1 hail - that is already a lot. Plus an additional possibility of selection from all sorts of Mulds.

Igor, I have already received "on the hat" for inappropriate details (such times have come), so just take my word for it. Radar "Sky" is also a reconnaissance station, like the modernized P-18 operating in the "brigade-regiment" link. I won't tell you a secret, but all modern medium and long-range air defense systems rely on their own radar detection equipment. In addition, you probably know what are the most long-range SAM and kakoo type on them GOS. Why do they need target designation from ZGRLS (which are peacetime stations), even if it were possible, and they were coupled with ACS of the regimental level?

[sivuch]

I remembered -
http://www.vko.ru/oruzhie/proshchanie-s-lenoy
Farewell to "Lena"
the whole era is gone

[Bongo]

Quote: sivuch

http://www.vko.ru/oruzhie/proshchanie-s-lenoy

Duc of the first P-14 in fact in the troops for a long time. 5N84A "Defense-14" with external similarity and the same frequency range, this is a completely different station.

Photos from personal archive

[Kaw]

That's interesting. If you look at the flyradar, the sky over Europe is just teeming with civilian sides. What, in all this mess, can a similar system (or its operators) be able to spot?

[Good_Anonymous]

The system is capable of tracking 5000 targets. In addition, aircraft routes are known in advance.

[not main]

Quote: Kaw

That's interesting. If you look at the flyradar, the sky over Europe is just teeming with civilian sides. What, in all this mess, can a similar system (or its operators) be able to spot?

and over Ukraine "clear sky".

[vindigo]

Right! I wonder why so?

[not main]

Quote: vindigo

Right! I wonder why so?

It's that simple! While the Dutch "experts" are "investigating" the Boeing MH-17, all airlines have already understood everything and concluded: it is better to fly in a roundabout way, losing on profitability, than to endanger the board, and especially passengers!

[NF68]

Good news.

[Pavel57]

Well, it consumes energy, you need a separate power station. Better nuclear power.

[Operator]

Quote: Good_Anonymous

for 2000km 1 degree gives 120km

See the range of action of ARGSN KR P-1000 "Volcano" on a target with a dispersion area of ​​100 sq.m.

[ss-n-22]

Quote: Operator

"Well, Bongo, did the cartoons help you?" (FROM)

Lying is not good, but continuing to lie (the ZGRLS lacks the ability to target for anti-aircraft missiles with ARGSN) is even worse.

Do you have a military specialty in air defense systems? If so, for what? If there is a VUS, then which one? For example, I have 07 *, share yours?

[Operator]

Too lazy to look for a military ID in the archive.

All the performance characteristics of the export version of the Sunflower single-jump ZGRLS with a range of 400 km are available on the Internet, the problems of implementing the Soviet Duga ZGRLS, American, Australian and French ZGRLS are also available.

In short, the accuracy of determining coordinates using the ZGRLS is determined by the number of jumps (reflections from the ionosphere) of the probe radiation and, most importantly, by the power of the computer / the perfection of software processing the received signal.

Do you have a VUS computer?

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: ss-n-22

Do you have a military specialty in air defense systems? If so, for what? If there is a VUS, then which one? For example, I have 07 *, share yours?

The operator did not serve in the army, for medical reasons, which still hinder the receipt of a driver’s license.

[ivanec]

HAARP is more impressive

[Bongo]

Quote: ivanec

HAARP is more impressive

Is it ZGRLS?

[arkadiyssk]

This is most likely a system to counteract ZGRLS, because unpredictably changes the height of the ionospheric layer, and hence the point of rebound of the radar beam from the ionosphere.

[region58]

Quote: arkadiyssk

ionospheric layer height

It has already been mentioned about "Duga"; to obtain data on the ionosphere, the "KRUG" station of reciprocal oblique sounding (BIS) of the ionosphere was intended.

The "Arc" itself is in the background (receiving part).

[Operator]

Quote: sivuch

the problem can only be the 3rd coordinate, i.e. height

The problem has a solution in the form of increasing the computing power of the ZGRLS and improving the program for processing the information contained in the reflected signals, respectively, from the target and from the underlying surface (differing by the time of arrival at the receiving antenna).

[Operator]

Quote: Bongo

PRS-200 was used to issue target designation for the S-17VM air defense guidance system

The S-200 is a missile with PARGSN, and not with AGRSN: strange, no?

[Bongo]

Quote: Operator

The S-200 is a missile with PARGSN, and not with AGRSN: strange, no?

This is strange only for those who argued that the Su-34 could carry the Kh-32 and "Calibers", as well as who fantasized about the ZGRLS on the islands in the South China Sea ...
Or will you undertake to assert that for missiles with an active radar seeker, preliminary target designation is not necessary, and it can independently target a target without knowing the range, speed and altitude of the flight?

[Operator]

Oh, wey, but you really can't hang an X-32 missile weighing 5760 kg under the Su-34, but initially a non-aviation X-41 missile weighing 4500 kg under the Su-27 can you?

It is not good to lie - I argued that the S-500 missile system needs external targeting from the Container ZGRLS before launch and, if there is a broadcast data transmission channel through the SAM to the missile, after launch (within the radio horizon, of course).

[Bongo]

Quote: Operator

it is not possible to suspend an X-32 aviation missile weighing 5760 kg under the Su-34, and initially a non-aviation X-41 missile weighing 4500 kg under the Su-27 can still be

Only in your reality, try to find a photo of a combatant Su-33 (there was never any talk about the Su-27) with a Mosquito.

Quote: Operator

Lying is bad

Go to the mirror and repeat it to yourself.

Quote: Operator

I argued that the missile of the S-500 complex needs external targeting from the "Container" ZGRLS before launch

Two-coordinate Radar without PRV is unable to give target designation, do not confuse with preliminary reconnaissance of the target.

[ABM]

there will be no war! all in vain!

[imugn]

Well guys, no spies are needed, all TTX on a silver platter in the forum

[Operator]

Quote: Bongo

Two-coordinate radar without PRV is unable to give target designation

To defeat low-maneuverable air targets with an EPR of ~ 100 square meters (strategic bomber, AWACS aircraft) when firing SAM with ARGS, the third coordinate as part of external target designation is not required.

Plus, in the case of using a two-coordinate radar of a modern software and computer complex as a part of the equipment, two coordinates turn into three.