Trillion dollars for the Russian economy

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To make a fairy tale come true ...


A whole trillion dollars are ready to roll off Russian moneybags to their native country. And not all the moneybags, but only the richest and most daring, who are not afraid to appear on the Forbes magazine list. The others were not even asked, but it can be assumed that they, too, will not hit the dirt in the face and will appreciate the Russian ruble and their remarkable managerial talent. And in total we will succeed so much as not to count. But if without an account, in simple words - complete prosperity and prosperity will succeed.

Information about such miracles came from the Ministry of Finance, which conducted a survey among relevant persons. Moreover, as the Ministry of Finance emphasized with pride, the survey was conducted “in manual mode”, which should indicate, most likely, its high reliability. So, in the message of this department the number of 70 trillions of rubles appears. So many former oligarchs are willing to invest in the Russian economy (which we, as we all well know, do not have) and are simply honest billionaires.



Deputy Minister of Finance Andrei Ivanov:
We began to work actively with the business - we asked prospectively if such a tool appears, how much you are willing to give. In manual mode, they asked. Received projects on 70 trillion. rubles. That is, the request is great.


The thing, as usual, is small - to adopt the law “On the protection and promotion of investment and the development of investment activity” (SZPK), which provides, inter alia, the unchanged conditions for investors. We decipher: if some oligarch invested a certain amount in a certain project, then for the period specified by law it is neither possible to increase taxes on the business resulting from investments, nor to make changes to the cost of renting land in this region, or in any other way to increase the tax and other burden for this business. In the same case, if this is done for some reason, the state will have to pay the difference to the investor. That is, the state will have to pay higher taxes and fees to itself.

It is planned to create two modes: general and design. In the first case, protection is provided for a period of three years. The project mode is even more loyal to the investor: for a period of 6 to 20 for a period of time, he guarantees the invariance of a number of tax rates, as well as the conditions of technical regulation, licensing, land use and development of territories for at least three years. True, the project mode is focused on large projects and not all investors will be able to use it.

In principle, it looks reasonable enough. The tax “swing” can really break plans for any businessman, especially if the project is long-term, with a long payback period. Nevertheless, as it usually happens with us, and when implementing an initially sound idea, they managed to do stupid things.

Oh, these tales! Oh, these storytellers!


Both the relevant State Duma committees and senators from the Federation Council have already criticized the proposal because almost all of the business benefits are supposed to be made at the expense of local taxes and fees. The Ministry of Finance counters this, claiming that it will still be very profitable for the regions to get new large projects, which, though not immediately, will nevertheless fill the local treasury - at least through employment growth, investment in infrastructure and so on.

I repeat once again - in words all this looks very reasonable. Moreover, in Russia until now there were no such laws. But the questions, to be honest, still remain, and the questions are not simple.

First of all, let's note that 70 trillions of rubles is indeed a very large amount. These are four with a small annual budget of Russia, if the author does not fail to remember. And given the fact that low-cost foreign borrowing is now at least very complicated for Russian business, it should be money, as they say, available.

Even if we talk about the first hundred of the Forbes list in Russia, it will still turn out to be insanely high - at 10 billion dollars per person. And taking into account the fact that by the end of the fifth decade the state of Russian moneybags does not exceed two billion dollars, everything looks extremely doubtful in general.

Yes, I understand, of course, that a personal condition can sometimes be many times less than the capital managed by a businessman. And yet, you must admit, the announced number is too large and ambitious. Therefore, excuse me, all this again looks like some kind of informational “Potemkin village”, which was created and thrown for an incomprehensible, admit, purpose.

Just in case, the Ministry of Finance, of course, “laid straws”: it is assumed that the entire announced amount will be invested for many years. By 2024, it is likely to attract “all” 30 trillions of rubles. It looks more realistic, but then it turns out that it is planned to attract a total of 6 trillions per year? In principle, this is also not bad, but you must admit that it no longer sounds so luxurious. Alas, an information bomb will not work out of this, although in the current situation such investments look good.

In general, it is still very difficult to understand why we need this tale about the unprecedented apotheosis of the investment apogee. To push a bill through the State Duma? It is debatable: through it, everything that is approved in the AP is dragged through it. Or does someone create the appearance of vigorous activity? And the fairy tale itself is not so much intended for us, but, for example, for the president?


The latter option looks the most believable. In any case, it fits perfectly into the general outline of our economic policy. After all, what’s the main thing with us? That's right - a lot of promise, and then it is plausible to explain why nothing came of it ...
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  1. +4
    December 2 2019
    A rubber crow, what globe are you planning to pull on? Or are we all going to pull something on something? Very similar!
    1. +34
      December 2 2019
      A whole trillion dollars are ready to roll off Russian moneybags to their native country.
      I wonder what piece of the country they will be allowed to buy?
      1. +21
        December 2 2019
        Quote: SHURUM-BURUM
        A whole trillion dollars are ready to roll off Russian moneybags to their native country

        no one holds money in a small box, money or in investments, or in securities.
        in the same Potanin (as an example) BASIC MONEY IN STOCK OF NORNIKEL.
        I.E. FOR RECEIVING WORKING CAPITALS AND (HIM) HOW TO MINIMALLY HAVE TO SELL PACKAGES OR PART OF STOCK PACKAGES.
        I’m not saying that dropping packages of such huge amounts will lead to a fall, I’m not saying that someone will have to buy them at least hundreds of billions at a time, I’m talking about the loss of control by alligators over their main assets, and in favor of whom?
        Who, besides foreign investors, is capable of this and has cash working capital? (the Russians will not buy, because why the heck do you need to buy cash) --- and all this for what?
        It looks very beautifully like an amnesty of capital, anorized as something by Putin - return the money and there will be nothing for you - they returned (a couple) and sat down laughing

        those. to sell to the West, in order to invest where? With what income?
        Alligators, of course, accumulated their grandmothers in a not entirely honest way, but they are certainly not oligophrenic.
        1. +31
          December 2 2019
          70 trillion rubles. So much ready invest in the Russian economy former oligarchs

          Deciding to please with the good news, the Ministry of Finance accidentally issued a depressing piece of news. Well this is how much money our most respected citizens, "not oligarchs", have taken out of their native economy !! The question arises, since the boyars have such an opportunity, where are these incalculable riches invested now? Russian by the way.

          Considering that by the end of the fifth decade the state of Russian moneybags does not exceed two billion dollars, everything looks extremely doubtful.

          Well, here I believe the Ministry of Finance. They can read there too. And read Forbes magazine reports on the state of Russian billionaires. The fact is that the Ministry of Finance has more reliable information. Directly first hand. All are mine. All these billionaires are known there as flaky. And as was rightly noted, Russian billionaires are in no hurry to get on the Forbes lists. Another thing is scary. It turns out that the abnormal social inequality in Russia (that gigantic gap between the rich and the poor) is even more abnormal.
          1. +7
            December 2 2019
            Is it still sweet in your mouth? sad
          2. +17
            December 2 2019
            How much more will the oligarchic system deceive and rob the people of Russia? And after all, the people are being led to all these boltologies about modernization, breakthroughs, breakthroughs, 20 million new jobs ... Now, very soon, after 2 weeks, the permanent manager of the oligarchic system will again tell us fairy tales about future achievements. In fact, work continues on the dismantling of the social system and labor rights built under the USSR. And the people ... And what about the people? The overwhelming majority of our people really deserve such a system of government as the current one, and even worse. Here to the worst one that she deserves, and the owners will gradually bring her down. Pension robbery is only one of the steps on this path. Well, we, the rest - the smaller part, unfortunately are forced to share her fate with the people. Not many can afford to give up everything and leave to live in the West.
            1. -1
              December 2 2019
              It's not so simple .. with the authorities, the clothes of the people of democracy slide more and more ... elections ... liberalism .. this year we, for example, we learned (from deciphering the telephone conversation of Clinton and Yeltsin ... how Putin’s candidacy was agreed) that after the elections to the Moscow City Duma .... you should forget about the elections altogether ... that all Putin’s promises, oaths and plans are false ... somewhere the ratings of people's confidence in the president (even fake) have disappeared .. Simple SMS distribution (Putin - won ... Medvedev -vor) led to unauthorized demonstrations in 34 cities of Russia .. so that the people are not remlet..boyus wakes up ..
            2. -1
              December 3 2019
              Quote: kjhg
              How much more will the oligarchic system deceive and rob the people of Russia? And after all, the people are being led to all these boltologies about modernization, breakthroughs, breakthroughs, 20 million new jobs ... Now, very soon, after 2 weeks, the permanent manager of the oligarchic system will again tell us fairy tales about future achievements. In fact, work continues on the dismantling of the social system and labor rights built under the USSR.

              How I admire the local audience on this site !!!!!!!! Really handsome !!!!!)))
              All their incomes are left to themselves - the bastards are oligarchs, robbing the people! Ready to return part of the loot - the bastards of the oligarchs, rob people !!!!! (and they gave it a bit of horror)
              And this is generally a masterpiece -
              Quote: kjhg
              Well, we, the rest - the smaller part, unfortunately are forced to share her fate with the people. Not many can afford to give up everything and leave to live in the West.

              Forgive me dear kjhg (Gargantua), but I would like to say to you in the words of a member of the Public Council under the Committee of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation on culture, just like in his song - "... Ehay on .......!" and do not deny yourself anything, let yourself rush off to live in the West! We are here to sob a little and get used to the thought of your absence!
          3. 0
            December 2 2019
            I do not have funds to invest in the economy, so it’s good that someone is ready to invest. It doesn't really matter how much. None of us could regulate the processes of capital accumulation - so why show the language after the battle ?!
            How to close the "giant gap" between rich and poor? Only one way seems realistic: to promote competition among investors - let there be more of them. The latter is possible ONLY if the risks for investors are reduced. Then they will not hide money, but will invest in the real economy. So the Finance Ministry is right. And we all need to stop nightmare entrepreneurs if we want the economy to develop. We must honestly admit to ourselves that they are incapable of being entrepreneurs, either by their ability or by lack of money.
            1. +10
              December 2 2019
              Quote: Victor N
              I have no money to invest in the economy, therefore good that someone is willing to invest.

              So these are someone, not anyhow who. Not any Chinese or Americans there, but those who pulled our money out of the Russian economy and invested it in the Western one. And now, hypothetically, can invest, once taken away funds, back into the Russian economy.

              Quote: Victor N
              We must honestly admit to ourselvesthat they are not able to be entrepreneurs - at least for their abilities, at least for their money.

              The vast majority of billionaires are the unclean hucksters of the first wave of the nineties. Which overnight, having nothing, suddenly became fantastically rich. They warmed their hands on predatory privatization.
            2. -2
              December 3 2019
              How to close the "giant gap" between rich and poor? Only one way seems realistic: to promote the development of competition ...
              How to shorten? As one grandfather said: "You are not princes and not a princely family ..." And he reduced the cash gap in his wallet by annexing Kiev. His name was Prophetic Oleg.
        2. +5
          December 2 2019
          Quote: atalef
          It looks very beautifully like an amnesty of capital, anorized as something by Putin - return the money and there will be nothing for you - they returned (a couple) and sat down

          or lobbying the previous schemes for pumping raw materials from Russia by the next Khodorkovsky ....
        3. -2
          December 2 2019
          why would he sell them? these stocks can be a very flexible tool. and their implementation is not required at all
          1. +1
            December 3 2019
            Quote: carstorm 11
            why would he sell them? these stocks can be a very flexible tool. and their implementation is not required at all

            And where to get the money for investment?
            Please explain to me how stocks can be a flexible tool?
            Taking a loan secured by shares - do not offer.
            Not that bitch
        4. +6
          December 2 2019
          So in addition to the nickel, he may have money in foreign assets ... maybe he will withdraw money from there ... well, you all know and bring it under a certain subtext ...
          1. -1
            December 2 2019
            It can be deduced, since their assets abroad can be seized at any time - and they will come up with an excuse.
            1. +1
              December 2 2019
              I'm talking about the same ...
        5. +2
          December 2 2019
          Quote: atalef
          Who, besides foreign investors, is capable of this and has cash working capital?

          Well, you are still that economist !!! Who in their right mind would invest wherever working capital? Working capital works for a working enterprise for the implementation of the labor cycle. It is the free funds that are invested that simply lie on the accounts and are not involved in profitable schemes. Cash, in volumes somewhat similar to investments, can only be of criminal origin today, and therefore not every project will undertake to launder dubious cash. You will not call one purchased share of Gazprom with the loud term "investment"?
          1. 0
            December 3 2019
            Quote: Den717
            Quote: atalef
            Who, besides foreign investors, is capable of this and has cash working capital?

            Well, you are still that economist !!! Who in their right mind would invest wherever working capital? Working capital works for a working enterprise for the implementation of the labor cycle. It is the free funds that are invested that simply lie on the accounts and are not involved in profitable schemes. Cash, in volumes somewhat similar to investments, can only be of criminal origin today, and therefore not every project will undertake to launder dubious cash. You will not call one purchased share of Gazprom with the loud term "investment"?

            A trillion bucks just on the navigators lies on the accounts.
            And not involved - a new joke.
            1. 0
              December 3 2019
              Quote: atalef
              And not involved

              Why not? Despite the fact that investments will always go to where they are more likely to return with greater profitability. And yes, big capital is usually cosmopolitan ....
              1. +1
                December 3 2019
                Quote: Den717
                And why not?

                Because none of the alligators manage the money themselves, they have enough competent advisers telling them where to invest and make a profit.
                I'm not talking about the fact that it is much easier to arrest the money in the accounts than to requisition shares, real estate or any other invested assets.
                Quote: Den717
                Despite the fact that investments will always go to where they are more likely to return with greater profitability.

                and I'm talking about money invested in the West - there are transparent laws and confidence in the future.
                Tell me 2 reasons why pull everything out and invest in Russia?
                Quote: Den717
                And yes, big capital is usually cosmopolitan ....

                of course
                1. -1
                  December 3 2019
                  Quote: atalef
                  It is much easier to seize the money in the accounts than to requisition shares, real estate or any other invested assets.

                  And where did you get the idea that these are illegal savings that there are reasons to arrest?
                  Quote: atalef
                  there are transparent laws and confidence in the future.

                  Not always, judging by the latest bursts of activity in the same Britain or the USA. For completely politicized reasons, they can both freeze and unfreeze. Despite the fact that formally legal prosecution may not be instituted. There are already examples.
                  Quote: atalef
                  Tell me 2 reasons why pull everything out and invest in Russia?

                  But this is not for me. I am a simple mercenary and I do not possess funds in offshore. And there can be more than a dozen motivations. Both for and against.
        6. +2
          December 2 2019
          But what if the conversation was such ... invest or we’ll take everything away !! Like a magnet and Euroset)))
        7. 0
          December 3 2019
          So yes ... Yes, the bourgeoisie adopted all sorts of laws ... Justify they say the origin, but not that ...
          So we decided to sit our back-rodents under the birch trees ...
      2. +7
        December 2 2019
        unprecedented apotheosis of investment apogee.

        THIS APOFIGEY
      3. +3
        December 2 2019
        I wonder what piece of the country they will be allowed to buy?

        Lomonosov Ridge. feel
      4. +2
        December 2 2019
        A whole trillion dollars are ready to roll off Russian moneybags to their native country

        Most likely, they there, in the West, were set on fire by investigations and the threat of confiscation of what was stolen in Russia. So they are looking for ways to hide everything "acquired by back-breaking labor" again. I simply do not see any other reasons to introduce such an amount into the Russian economy. And I don’t believe in their honesty.
    2. +20
      December 2 2019
      Information about such miracles came from the Ministry of Finance, which conducted a survey among relevant persons. Moreover, as the Ministry of Finance emphasized with pride, the survey was conducted “in manual mode”, which should indicate, most likely, its high reliability.

      What they just didn’t promise us ... another blah blah .. in manual mode, polls are carried out .. It looks like it's just another PR campaign ... whose goals I don’t understand, maybe they’ll sell off the state?
      1. +7
        December 2 2019
        Quote: Svarog
        What we have not been promised ...

        Anyone who invests in the future and will invest so where he needs ... but the fact that many THERE burns, and here, without super preferences, they will return ... "mom" does not order !!! it looks very similar .... and to pull a crow on a globe, so this is a tradition!
        1. +17
          December 2 2019
          Quote: rocket757
          and pull a crow on a globe, so this is such a tradition!

          I agree. Here, after all, how, the amount of investments has already been announced, and where, in which industries, projects are silent. It doesn’t happen when they plan to invest such money, that is, an accurate understanding of where and when it should pay off .. Hence the conclusion that this is an empty idle talk, well, or they decided to sell state property to the end ..
          1. +4
            December 2 2019
            Quote: Svarog
            It doesn’t happen when they plan to invest such money,

            Invest? or maybe just hide it, from the raking financial authorities, somewhere out there ... because here, they have a caring, "loving mommy"?
            The globe is a crow, OP!
            1. dSK
              +3
              December 2 2019
              Money from the National Welfare Fund (NWF) can be invested in internal infrastructure projects, as proposed by the Ministry of Finance, and lend to other states to buy Russian products (primarily energy), what lobbied the Ministry of Economic Development.
              2/12/19. "Vedomosti"
              1. 0
                December 2 2019
                Quote from dsk
                can be invested

                It is possible, everything is possible ... if carefully.
          2. +3
            December 2 2019
            Quote: Svarog
            and where, in which industries, projects are silent.

            They can easily voice these projects. Take Yamal LNG for example. The company is working. Liquefied gas is produced and successfully sold, the caps fly upward. Only here is one small hitch - the gas does not belong to Russia, and it has nothing from this:
            1. 0
              December 2 2019
              Who told you that Russia has nothing from Yamal? Remember who and spit on him. Learn the ABC, otherwise you will be deceived ...
              1. +1
                December 2 2019
                Yes, he must pay income tax, which will not be 18%, but 13,5%. Revenue for 9 months of 2019: 171,816 billion rubles in accordance with IFRS. Profit for 9 months of 2019: 200,213 billion rubles. All Yamal-LNG profit is paper based on other income and exchange rate differences.
                Profit greater than or equal to revenue, this does not happen.
                1. -1
                  December 2 2019
                  Profit greater than or equal to revenue, this does not happen.

                  Yes, my friend you are illiterate. You confuse profit and OPERATING profit.
                  1. 0
                    December 2 2019
                    You are literate, give your numbers.
                    1. 0
                      December 2 2019
                      give your numbers.

                      1234567890 still need?
                      You have written a false statement.
                      I pointed you to it.
                      Since your false statement concerned basic definitions, I concluded that you were illiterate.
                      I am not going to go into a polemic on this, I am not interested in this topic.
      2. 0
        December 2 2019
        .... another blah blah ...

        Well, if someone wants to become president again, then it is quite possible that "blah blah" can become a reality. fellow
    3. +2
      December 3 2019
      A whole trillion dollars are ready to roll off Russian moneybags to their native country. Moreover, not all moneybags, but only the richest and most daring, who are not afraid to appear on the Forbes magazine list

      And where is the rest acquired and overworked? I do not believe, they did not deduce for this.
  2. +23
    December 2 2019
    At first they stole their billions from Russia, now they are "investing" on their own terms. And they themselves will learn, re-"saw". And do not touch them until they take away the money. They have already drank about them in the taiga, but they held in high esteem. hi
    1. +15
      December 2 2019
      Quote: fa2998
      now "invest" on their own terms

      nowhere to invest.
      investments should be profitable.
      The project mode is even more loyal to the investor: it guarantees a fixed tax rate for a period of 6 to 20 years

      except for laughter, it doesn’t cause anything, for 20 years. In the Russian Federation, the pension program is changed every year, robbing the people, and here it is invariably for 20 years.
      Not in this country
      1. +6
        December 2 2019
        Quote: atalef
        except for laughter, it doesn’t cause anything, 20 years old. In Russia, the pension program is changed every year, robbing people,

        Yes, it would be funny if it weren't so sad, especially with the pension reform. "Choir named after DAM" that is, "native" government, before the reform, such songs sang, it was possible to hear, but in fact it turned out that the people were simply "thrown" once again. If the authorities began to sing about "return, investment and economic return", then it should be read in the opposite sense "economic recession, withdrawal and export", otherwise we do not succeed.
    2. +2
      December 2 2019
      Do not invest. You can’t sit at the same table with cheaters - you can stay without a shame. So they want guarantees. Respect for private property in our country is below the plinth.
      1. 0
        December 2 2019
        Specifically, tell me who is a sharpie and who is an honest player?
    3. +3
      December 2 2019
      She already cried for them in the taiga, but they are held in high esteem.

      I dare to suggest that as lumberjacks they are of little use. It will take more to feed than they will file. They are masters to saw ... only in another place.
  3. +10
    December 2 2019
    Benefits in the Russian Federation are demanded by the poorest and richest. I wonder what the "patriotic businessmen" are going to invest in? Oil / gas, alcohol, banking services, and so "cramped". Really in mechanical engineering and domestic electronics?
    1. +9
      December 2 2019
      Quote: samarin1969
      Really in mechanical engineering and domestic electronics?

      in science wassat !!!! certainly, undoubtedly in science !!!! smile
    2. +2
      December 2 2019
      They do not require benefits, they require the game by the rules. Our government has nine aces in the deck, and the rules of the game change on the fly. You have to be an idiot to invest in an economy under such conditions. There is an unlikely probability that you will be left without pants.
      1. +7
        December 2 2019
        Gyyy .. caught a fish in troubled waters and now you want the rules of the game? -From those cheaters who have never played by the rules. wassat Everything will be according to the classics of the genre - a thief stole a hat from a thief. And it cannot be otherwise until the power is replaced, not only by last names but also by course. The truth in this case will have to answer both thieves. laughing
        1. -4
          December 2 2019
          Caught a fish. Because it was not forbidden. And what is not forbidden, then, you understand - is allowed. And now, few venture to risk their capital - they will squeeze it out. As long as our government has communist nonsense in mind, investment can be forgotten.
          1. +4
            December 2 2019
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            As long as our government has communist nonsense in mind, investment can be forgotten.
            belay From this place please in more detail. Not all state assets sold wicked with party cards?
            1. 0
              December 2 2019
              No - disrespect for private property. Nobody is safe from "take and divide", from small business to big capital. Well, what idiot would dare to invest in our economy? Again, the rules of the game change on the fly. And nationalization, creeping nationalization is already underway, at least in the banking sector.
              1. +5
                December 2 2019
                So where does the respect of the robbers for the loot come from, not to mention honest people? The rich didn’t make anything honest work and generations, everything has been going on since the 90s, when they grabbed the initial capital, having robbed the country in a matter of years. And the worst thing is that such little people involved in the robbery are still in power, hence the disrespect for private property, because they know how it was obtained, and therefore it can be redone. Small business suffers just because of this thieves' system .
                1. -1
                  December 2 2019
                  The authorities now have a communist burp: former Komsomol members and communists, brought up on the slogans "carry every nail from work" and "take away and divide everything." For whom the concept of "private property" is an empty phrase. Invest, let's say, you are in some kind of production, but here the clap and the tax code has been rewritten. And you are bankrupt. You buy the shares of some enterprise, and it was flogged and forcibly bankrupted. And you are without pants. We bought ourselves a small factory and once and for a raider takeover. The money was yours - the steel is ours
                  1. +7
                    December 2 2019
                    Quote: AU Ivanov.
                    There is a communist burp in power now: former Komsomol members and communists,
                    Why only now? They rule from the 90s, with the exception of some of the deceased, the rest of the names are the same from Yeltsin's times. And they relate to the Communists as a hare to philately, despite the available party cards. About their relationship to private property, I already answered you above.
                2. -1
                  December 2 2019
                  For you, there are also those who have made capital through honest labor; they are not the same.
    3. -1
      December 2 2019
      Infrastructure, engineering, roads, oil and gas - mining, refining, light industry, agricultural industry, science, electronics, IT, services, trade, export are generally all that can be profitable.
    4. -5
      December 2 2019
      They will never tell you "where" in advance, because "I would have known the purchase - I would have lived in Sochi." In Russia, there are a lot of opportunities to invest profitably. For example, round timber is removed because there is not enough timber processing capacity ...
  4. +4
    December 2 2019
    "unprecedented apotheosis of investment climax"
    In other words, "Opupeya apotheosis"
  5. +9
    December 2 2019
    Therefore, excuse me, all this again looks like some kind of informational “Potemkin village”, which was created and thrown for an incomprehensible, admit, purpose.
    Why is it incomprehensible then? Very understandable. Correct the image. Only not in the eyes of the president - he knows perfectly well what is going on in his bedbug. But once again to cover up the eyes of the people is a nice thing. You look, and the ratings will grow. All interested parties. Including "responsible businessmen".
    1. -5
      December 2 2019
      but what's wrong with that? everyone has their own benefits, but the country benefits anyway. jobs taxes. large-scale projects. for me so with a black sheep, even a tuft of wool.
      1. +5
        December 2 2019
        Bad in what? That they will return a trillion bucks in the economy? Or is it that they will raise their ratings? Specify a question, please.
        1. -1
          December 2 2019
          Yes, you forget about the ratings) if these investments go, let them even raise their photos with balloons in the sky. it does not matter . the main thing is that if this movement begins, it will draw a lot of benefit.
          1. +10
            December 2 2019
            if these investments go
            The keyword "if". As they say in Odessa, “I’ll give you - this is not yet“ take it. ”We have already been promised so much that we should be satisfied with everything. And we are still waiting for some promises.
            1. -6
              December 2 2019
              Well, we’ll see. if the state solves the issue with them, it will be a blessing in any situation. I have not yet seen promises, but rather an attempt, but this is already a step.
              1. -1
                December 2 2019
                But the state has no way out - we have to agree. Depreciation of fixed assets in Russia by 80 trillion rubles, all this will not go anywhere, it is necessary to repair and rebuild.
            2. 0
              December 2 2019
              Gentlemen, do not torment yourself with expectations! Let the process begin, God bless them! At the same time, none of us is risking anything, and ALL will win if it succeeds.
  6. +12
    December 2 2019
    the closer the different elections, the stronger the power puffs the brains of the people as people believe such bees against the honey of the proletarians of all countries and capital unite
  7. +5
    December 2 2019
    I repeat once again - in words all this looks very reasonable.

    As usual!
  8. MP
    +3
    December 2 2019
    Everyone understands that honest work does not earn such amounts. Is it not better to return them with the help of the prosecutor general?
    1. +6
      December 2 2019
      Quote: Mpx
      Everyone understands that honest work does not earn such amounts.

      big money has never been done "honestly" anywhere.
    2. 0
      December 2 2019
      If you want to catch a fish - do not make noise! And then the fish inspector will come.
  9. +11
    December 2 2019
    Anyway, they’ll somehow deceive me. There is no trust in anyone now
    1. +4
      December 2 2019
      Is there any doubt about this? laughing Figuratively. Desert. Once in 30 years it rains heavily. But the desert remains a desert. Or such an example, there was a plot about the snow falling in a Mexican town located in the desert and quite a lot of it was removed with special equipment. Snow melted. The desert has not turned into a garden .. laughing
    2. -2
      December 2 2019
      Deceive - not deceive: What sadness are you ?! They will risk our economy developing.
  10. +9
    December 2 2019
    Take and nationalize all the property of the oligarchs, here you have the investment in the development of the country. Yes, sanctions from the West will be tough, they will turn off all sorts of Swift and other delights. But it’s better to fight than to slowly crawl into the cemetery now. But what I'm saying is not about this power, it’s a sweetie here.
    1. -6
      December 2 2019
      brilliantly. so if you then block all the swifts and other things, then you will return the money back?) will you carry by airplanes?) you can nationalize only the fact that we have only business on such people’s territory and only a part can be located here. this way is a dead end. it’s just that everyone will stop dealing with you and that’s it. and get the opposite effect.
      1. +1
        December 2 2019
        I don’t mind that our oligarchs voluntarily give everything to the people. The thing is up to them! But let’s be objective, they don’t do it voluntarily, they just need to help part with such a heavy burden. hi There will be no peaceful transition from capitalism to socialism, as naive dreamers believe. For freedom you need to fight, endure deprivation, but as you wish.
    2. -10
      December 2 2019
      And you get a collapse of the economy, a fall in the value of all assets and, as a result: devastation and massive unemployment. The 90s will seem like a golden age.
      1. +4
        December 2 2019
        And you get a collapse of the economy, a fall in the value of all assets and, as a result: devastation and massive unemployment. The 90s will seem like a golden age.

        Not at all, the devil is in the details.
    3. +3
      December 2 2019
      Quote: Private 89
      nationalize

      It sounds beautiful and loud. Only to achieve this requires a different system of government. In today's conditions, entrusting the management of enterprises to thieving and ineffective officials means getting an even greater negative effect.
      1. -4
        December 2 2019
        Once already nationalized. And they destroyed almost the entire industry. Then for a long and painfully recreated it from scratch.
        1. +3
          December 2 2019
          What period are you talking about?
          1. -4
            December 2 2019
            About the period after the October Revolution. The consequence of nationalization is devastation in all sectors. After that, it was necessary to create industry from scratch and at enormous cost.
            1. +1
              December 2 2019
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              And they destroyed almost the entire industry. Then for a long and painfully recreated it from scratch.

              You are greatly mistaken and exaggerating here. "The Russian economy suffered severely from the First World War, and then from the October Revolution of 1917. The economic growth rates became negative, a significant part of industrial capital was destroyed." This is not about the physical destruction of enterprises, but about the fact that capital has left the country. "" In 1928, GDP per capita was about the same as in 1913. Then the growth rates of the Russian economy accelerated significantly, as did the growth of investments. "
              1. -2
                December 2 2019
                Physical destruction of enterprises was also present. A living example: in 1920, steam locomotives were forced to order in Sweden and Germany for gold, since not a single locomotive plant in Soviet Russia could produce locomotives. Shipbuilding, defense industry - everything came in a deplorable state, not only former private enterprises, but also state-owned ones.
                1. +1
                  December 2 2019
                  From your comment, I still do not understand the reason for the "deplorable state". Was the industry destroyed, or the capital was gone?
                  1. -2
                    December 2 2019
                    Capital has gone, production ties have collapsed, the market has disappeared - this is industry and has fallen into decay.
                    1. +2
                      December 2 2019
                      What products of industrial enterprises in RI were sold abroad? Steam locomotives, ships, planes, tractors, cars?
                      1. -5
                        December 2 2019
                        RI exported products of light industry and agriculture. Steam locomotives and other rolling stock were not exported - they themselves were not enough due to the high pace of development of railway transport and an increase in cargo turnover. Steam engines, by the way, were at the world level.
                      2. +2
                        December 2 2019
                        You are about grain, chintz, black caviar and sables. This is the level of economic development !!! In the USSR in the 30s he exported a tractor.
                      3. -6
                        December 2 2019
                        To whom did the Soviet Union export? Mainly to underdeveloped countries and their satellites (and if they don't take it, we will turn off the gas). Can we boast of "Muscovites" on US roads or Altai tractors in the fields of France? Or were there western airlines queuing up for our Tu-154s? Maybe our household appliances enjoyed worldwide success? Yes, there were some successful products - weapons, Atommash products, but on the whole, our products were uncompetitive.
                      4. +4
                        December 2 2019
                        Yes, there were some successful products - weapons, Atommash products, but in general our products were uncompetitive.

                        Am I missing something, market Russia, is exporting something else?
                      5. -4
                        December 2 2019
                        Try to surpass the products of leading manufacturers. Especially after 70 years of closure of our market. Moreover, in conditions when almost all niches are already occupied.
                      6. +4
                        December 2 2019
                        Those. then she couldn’t (?) and now she can’t? What's the difference?
                        Excuse me, why did you decide that export is an indicator of a successful economy?
                      7. -4
                        December 2 2019
                        The indicator is not export, but the competitiveness of manufactured goods. If the product is not in demand on foreign markets because of its properties, then it will not be popular in the domestic market either - the consumer will prefer an imported one. You can, of course, close your market and then we won’t get anywhere from the submarine, we’ll cry and buy, but this will lead to a further lag.
                      8. +1
                        December 2 2019
                        The indicator is not export, but the competitiveness of manufactured goods.

                        In a market economy and if it is profitable to trade them. But initially, the economy is needed to meet the needs of the state, the population, and not to obtain benefits.
                      9. -2
                        December 2 2019
                        Do you think that our consumer is worthy of a technologically backward product, according to the principle "your shit doesn't smell"? We have already voted with the ruble, in particular in the automotive industry: the people and carriers preferred, albeit used, but imported cars to domestic ones. For household appliances - the same picture. For industrial equipment, the situation is the same.
                      10. +2
                        December 2 2019
                        This is with the market, in the USSR, the state was engaged in foreign trade and not at all for profit. The short period of market dominance in the social economy was characterized by huge export successes, in 1988 some refrigerators were pushed 500 thousand to the border, only this severe commodity crisis caused good
                      11. 0
                        December 2 2019
                        And why was the state engaged in foreign trade - for the sake of sports interest? For the sake of foreign exchange profit, they sold both oil and gas and refrigerators. And for the sake of this profit, as you rightly wrote, caused a commodity crisis in the domestic market. The grimaces of a planned economy.
                      12. +2
                        December 2 2019
                        And why was the state engaged in foreign trade for the sake of sports interest?

                        To get what is not or is not profitable to produce. Currency in the domestic market of social economy is not needed at all.
                        Refrigerators, irons, fans, soap and much more were pushed by private individuals (since 1987).
                      13. 0
                        December 2 2019
                        The Soviet economy needed currency to buy Western equipment, which had no analogues in the USSR. The ruble was not a hard currency, except for us it had no circulation anywhere. Therefore, either barter ("gas-pipes" deal) or sale of goods for dollars. They sold oil and gas, bought grain, other agricultural products, industrial equipment, cars, bulldozers and much more.
                      14. +2
                        December 2 2019
                        Had laughing Transferable ruble for settlements with the CMEA countries, foreign ruble for other countries.
                        The state sold, but it is not profitable to trade consumer goods, because the domestic market is not satisfied.
                      15. 0
                        December 2 2019
                        The transferable ruble was a monetary substitute for mutual settlements within the CMEA. On the exchanges, it was not traded and was not converted into a dollar, unlike the French franc and Japanese yen. And to trade consumer goods as they were still trading, despite their deficit in the domestic market. One grain export during the famine of the early 30s is worth something. But, in this case, the Union has maintained a reputation as a bona fide supplier.
                      16. +1
                        December 2 2019
                        Transferable ruble

                        The most ordinary money, more than half of the foreign trade turnover came from the CMEA countries, for example, in 1985, the turnover was 142 billion rubles, and the share of the CMEA countries is 78 billion.
                        The scale is not the same.
                      17. -1
                        December 2 2019
                        500000 pushed refrigerators abroad - the only question left is how many refrigerators were paid in foreign currency, those who were pushed. You ask how many Soviet civilian aircraft sold for money - for the entire time of its existence.
                      18. 0
                        December 2 2019
                        All wink More precisely, 515 thousand refrigerators were sold for currency in 1990, in 1986 thousand in 233, in 1987 thousand in 314, 1988 in 371, and 1989 thousand in 409.
                      19. +2
                        December 2 2019
                        In the USSR, apart from galoshes, they didn’t produce anything. The galoshes changed the satellite, Gagarin's rocket, nuclear power plant, nuclear icebreaker and much more.
                      20. -4
                        December 2 2019
                        And these industries that you have listed just survived. Because they were at the forefront of progress. Even now we are building icebreakers and reactors. But the rest, with rare exceptions, was just at the level of galoshes. Therefore, it fell apart.
                      21. +3
                        December 2 2019
                        For example ZIL, AZLK, Izh-auto and Izh-moto, etc. Strange, under the USSR everything worked and was produced, and now, even children's toys, strollers, shoes, dishes and down jackets Meden in China.
                      22. -3
                        December 2 2019
                        AZLK? Do not make me laugh. How long could Moskvich 408 clones be kept on a conveyor belt? Zilki were also good for the 60s, in the late 80s they could be called with one word: "junk". As soon as the opportunity arose, car owners switched to foreign cars. Yes, under the USSR a lot of things were produced, but as soon as an alternative appeared, immediately these products became, suddenly, no one needed. There is a proverb: who has not seen the ship in a miracle and a trough.
                      23. -1
                        December 2 2019
                        Imagine yes, special equipment, medical equipment, optical devices, materials, alloys, CX products, including machine-building cars, locomotives and everything that we produce.
      2. +4
        December 2 2019
        I don’t argue, this power can only break the next bottom. You won’t cook porridge with her.
        1. -3
          December 2 2019
          You broke your bottom in the 90s - Russia will not return to it again.
    4. -1
      December 2 2019
      No need, private, crawl - go invest or work. Revolutions and consequences have already passed - everyone remembers what it was worth.
      1. +1
        December 2 2019
        Medvedev - for teachers: if you want more money, go to business
        From the same song.
  11. +4
    December 2 2019
    And not all the moneybags, but only the richest and most courageous, who are not afraid to appear on the Forbes magazine list. The rest were not even asked
    That is why for some reason I immediately thought that the moneybags were "fired up" with the desire to fork out in a voluntary-compulsory manner ...
    Just in case, the Ministry of Finance, of course, “laid straws”: it is assumed that the entire announced amount will be invested for many years.
    This is just logical. Money should flow as it is developed.
    Even if we are talking about the first hundred of the Forbes list in Russia, it will still turn out to be insanely much - 10 billion dollars per person.
    And this is also logical. Long-term investments do not stipulate that the full amount is available at the time of signing the contract. The main thing here is that the money arrive on time.
    In general, it is still very difficult to understand why we need this tale about the unprecedented apotheosis of the investment apogee. To push a bill through the State Duma?
    If, I repeat - if, this information has real grounds, then the main thing is what is called "not to frighten off." So far, I do not see any opportunities for "cutting" the state budget from the information provided. I don’t see any sense in simple PR at the moment either, because it’s still a long way to the next significant elections ...
    And so - yes, it looks like a fairy tale. Wait and see.
  12. +5
    December 2 2019
    They did not steal in order to invest in Russia later! And it was not for this that Europe and the United States accepted them with their billions of dollars, in order to later allow Russia to restore. Until you put these businessmen against the "wall" or in the "corner", they will not give anything to Russia and the people!
  13. +2
    December 2 2019
    "In manual mode". What is it like? Hands holding the sums of moneybags? Voluntarily, then they ... may fork out, but of good will hardly. winked
    1. 0
      December 2 2019
      Most likely something from the 90s. Well, like bros, ran over, etc.
  14. +8
    December 2 2019
    A whole trillion dollars are ready to roll off Russian moneybags to their native country.
    ... That popper, so popper .... laughing home country .... Already roll away, so roll off ... laughing The main thing in this matter is positive ... For 30 years there has been no investment from the native oligarchs, but here it’s a direct downpour of money .... That everything would grow and blossom ... laughing
  15. +2
    December 2 2019
    Looks very uncomfortable became in a foreign land. Togo and look without pants left.
  16. 9PA
    +3
    December 2 2019
    Ahahaha)) where does the TRILLION of dollars come from ?! What lived in vain
  17. +7
    December 2 2019
    Yeah. another lie for commoners,
    From the help of the Russian Federation and surrender to Amer, a friend of the Family - the owner of aluminum, chose the change and ..... the family approved of him
    1. -4
      December 2 2019
      And saved tens of thousands of jobs. Otherwise, alas, most of RosAl’s enterprises would have to be closed.
    2. -1
      December 2 2019
      And what did they specifically pass in the production of aluminum to Amer - aluminum production from Russia was transported to the United States?
      1. -2
        December 2 2019
        They didn’t surrender anything; they simply kept the sales market. Aluminum production is an export-oriented business. So that...
        1. -1
          December 3 2019
          There are a lot of things mixed up. Even Putin allegedly offered to return Rusal to Russia, but ....
          Now there are American managers, there will be factories in the USA, and from the Family they bought off a share of shares in VTB.

          Proof of International Capital, straight across Lenin and Marx ...
          1. -1
            December 3 2019
            A new aluminum plant is being built in Russia.
            1. -1
              December 3 2019
              And this is a fact - unlike your hysterical snot.
              1. -2
                December 3 2019
                You see, it’s true that it hurts your eyes, but there’s nothing to say besides rudeness.

                In America, RUSAL also promised to build a plant / plants, and from offshore RUSAL, NORNIKEL (?), Etc. are not going to come back ...
                1. -1
                  December 4 2019
                  I don’t observe your truth - but under construction: factories, factories, greenhouses, bridges, roads in Russia, including through the oil and gas business, I’m watching.
                  1. 0
                    December 5 2019
                    What is being built is wonderful.
                    But since 2008, the growth of the real economy is from -2 to 2% - that is, the built only replaces the destroyed.
                    Oil and gas - naturally. But the helicopter-aircraft structure - has gone into decline.
                    Others just did not meet, probably also 50/50
  18. +6
    December 2 2019
    Where will they get the money from? They don’t lie dead weight under their pillows. They’re all invested in something. Nobody will let them out of the Western economy, and all their profitable business is robbery of the Russian country. They will take money from the state and withdraw it as always.
    1. -2
      December 2 2019
      What does it mean that no one will allow them to withdraw from the Western economy, Russia has withdrawn more than $ 100 billion from American bonds - something that the United States did not observe any resistance to. Now for their investments there is a risk that they can be seized under any pretext.
  19. +4
    December 2 2019
    Shirley Myrli: every resident of Russia will be able to live in the Canary Islands for three years.
  20. +4
    December 2 2019
    Two years when they imported into Russia:
    2006 - $ 43
    2007 - $ 87
    Which totaled $ 131 billion
    But after that, in 2008 they thought better of it and took it out:
    $ 133 billion
    Only in the last three years Russia has left (in rubles)
    2015 - 3 rubles
    2016 - 1 rubles
    2017 - 3 750 000 000 000 rubles ...
    After that, there will be 2019, in the first quarter of which $ 25 billion was withdrawn ...
    According to official estimates, the Central Bank of Russia sailed more than $ 1. And according to independent experts - $ 000 ...
    That in Russian rubles is 62 and 500, respectively .. And suddenly! Oh, merciful moneybags!
    By 2024, it is likely to attract “only” 30 trillion rubles. It looks more realistic, but then it turns out that it is planned to attract only 6 trillion per year? In principle, this is also not bad, but you must admit that it no longer sounds so luxurious. Alas, an information bomb will not work out of this, although in the current situation such investments look good.

    Here it is the power of proletarian anger! Here it is hostility EDRA!
    If you want (to continue) to live beautifully and close to your bosses, (and not to dislike the people)
    Keep your butt high and your head low!
    laughing
    1. -5
      December 2 2019
      From 2000 to 2015, 1,5 trillion dollars were invested in Russia - one stream comes another stream leaves, or do you think that all foreign investors will only invest in Russia and not take anything away over time - this does not happen in any country in the world with a market the economy.
      1. +3
        December 2 2019
        Quote: Vadim237
        From 2000 to 2015, 1,5 trillion dollars were invested in Russia

        If you wrote for me, then I hasten to notify you that these "invested" dollars (for the most part) were spent to change the entry in the property registers in the column "Owner" ...
        That is why the price of the port in Vanino (for example) amounted to the cost of several apartments ... It was then that strategic enterprises were bought up and sold at the price of scrap metal ... You can print as much as you want (you can, if you digitalize, you don’t print at all), and you can create production from the air impossible ...
        That is why in Russia there are still 600 banks that produce (???) belay
        1. -1
          December 2 2019
          It was in the 90s - buying up strategic enterprises at the price of scrap metal. And it must be admitted that part of the enterprises and equipment for them corresponded to scrap metal and junk with depreciation of fixed assets of 70 percent or more, with such a layout they won’t produce anything new, and some of the enterprises that the USSR built were unprofitable from the very beginning - the planned economy allowed, a market economy no longer allowed. There are 600 banks in Russia - which carry out financial transactions, give loans, keep deposits - what are your complaints about these banks? There is no inert money, except for those that you keep under your pillow, and their value is affected by the amount of money that is in the work of the world economy. Everything that you bought or foreigners bought or invested in Russia works for the Russian economy.
          1. +3
            December 2 2019
            Quote: Vadim237
            There are 600 banks in Russia - which carry out financial transactions, give loans, and keep deposits - what are your complaints about these banks?

            Yes you? Is it all 600 right? But I was taught that under capitalism there are no good money-lenders and sincere collectors ...
            Quote: Vadim237
            Everything that you bought or foreigners bought or invested in Russia works for the Russian economy.

            Yes, yes, yes ... They forgot about the "Power of Siberia" ... Go to Tulun - there they will tell you in detail about banks and how they work ...
            Our banks are working for quick money, which can give either the service sector or trade ... Production, you say? Well, well ... Remind about the PD-50? Or about nanotechnology?
            I’m not a naive little fellow - what do you advertise for me?
            1. -4
              December 2 2019
              You have some kind of porridge: Tuluny, Power of Siberia, PD 50, nanotechnology - Tulun is generally the responsibility of local authorities, but not banks throughout the country, Power of Siberia - today they launched and yes banks actively participated in this project - with loans, as well as in the Amur GPP, as well as other enterprises, factories and many other things that are being created in Russia, someone works for quick profits, someone waits for 7 or more years, banks simply issue loans - again, what are your claims to banks? "But I was taught that under capitalism" Capitalism is all over the world, since the world is a market, where the market is where there is money where there is money and commodity volumes there and capitalism. PD 50, the floating dock at the time of immersion was 39 years old and the corresponding wear of the structure and welded seams is rubbish, it makes no sense to restore, Rosneft has a Zvezda, if necessary, a new floating dock will be built. Nanotechnology - Rusnano returned all the money, which the state has given it since 2007, 130 billion rubles, while co-invested in 85 production enterprises.
    2. -5
      December 2 2019
      Well, you have crumpled up the numbers, only this is about nothing, without explanation, it does not say - a profanation. It is important for all of us to understand: why is money being withdrawn from Russia? Is it because the risks are great? That the marginals are loudly demanding "take and divide"? If this continues, there will be no development of the Russian economy!
      1. +5
        December 2 2019
        Quote: Victor N
        It is important for all of us to understand: why money is withdrawn from Russia?

        And here it is not necessary to open any new America - the thief never returns the loot.
        Yes
  21. +1
    December 2 2019
    Quote: kjhg
    Well, we, the rest - the smaller part, unfortunately are forced to share her fate with the people. Not many can afford to give up everything and leave to live in the West.


    Why a minority? The rich are just the same minority, and the rest are the majority =)
    And to fight is a war with windmills. This is how the modern world works.
    Is a bad bank issuing loans at%? If he stops giving them, what will happen? Will it get better? No, another bank will appear and, in the absence of competition, will raise rates.
    And people took it - they will take it.

    We hang all the billionaires, well, or put them in the Russian Federation. Will it get better? No. Grandmas they do not store here (well, or not all).
    We will never see their money again, jobs (even not the best ones, for example) will collapse. Investments will end and domestic (no longer count external). And the state’s confiscated money will not be deposited for a long time. They will make a granite curb from St. Petersburg to Vladivostok (and what, a good contract? What is worse than buying tanks or missiles? This and that have an opaque procurement scheme and an incomprehensible cost. It works the same way for the economy).
    And turner Vasya and Petya, who worked all his life at the factory, and no longer knows how to stay on the street. The fact that the economy is now "digital" and not "industrial" is violet to him, he will not retrain.

    So all these persecutions of capital, alas, will not lead to good.
    There is an expression, "choose the lesser of two evils."
    So the government and Pu have chosen.
    Their managerial results are already known to all. Pension reform, the exchange rate doubled .... Could someone else be better? I do not know, maybe. But since these comrades have been at the helm for almost 20 years, they must answer.
    1. +1
      December 2 2019
      Quote: Fibrizio
      Will it get better? No, another bank will appear and, in the absence of competition, will raise rates.
      And people took it - they will take it.

      I cannot agree with you ... Today there was information that Russians spent more than 3 rubles in 30 days of Black Friday, of which 000 were in online stores ...
      I have never bought anything exactly on "Black Friday" ...
      I never took a loan from a bank ... I know people who basically did not do this ...
      Banks will grow like mushrooms (in Russia), as long as there is such a credit policy of the Central Bank ... It is only necessary to limit the spread in currency speculation and establish the difference between the loan and deposit rate of 1-2%, make conditions for the possibility of receiving cash at an ATM and etc. etc., so you will immediately see how few of them remain ...
      1. -1
        December 2 2019
        So much for "beggar Russians" - 30 lard for shopping. And it is unlikely that these are oligarchs - they do not buy at the sales. But I bought a smartphone on sale. I monitored the price and as soon as it fell by 25%, so immediately.
      2. 0
        December 2 2019
        Do you plan to open a business exclusively on your own?
        Or suppose we need money to modernize production, we don’t have our own, to save 15 years?
        You try on banking services for a simple person. The bank is primarily a tool for legal entities and businesses.
        But he was named as an example.
        In terms of economics and currencies, what you named automatically means hello North Korea. After such regulation, our currency will not be accepted anywhere else. It will disappear from trading on the stock exchange and will cease to be a means of payment.
        Everything is much more complicated than "take and divide everything".
        The economy does not work like that.
        Unfortunately you can’t snap your fingers and it will work. We are embedded in the global market, and we are a developing country in terms of the financial market.
        1. +3
          December 2 2019
          Quote: Fibrizio
          We are embedded in the global market, and we are a developing country in terms of the financial market.

          Enough to continue about your embedding. You built yourself by destroying the built system only in order to put a paw on the enormous wealth of the country, and the rest of the people like a drum for you, and this is why it happens:

          or such a conglomerate:
  22. +5
    December 2 2019
    And the fairy tale itself is not so much intended for us, but, for example, for the president?

    Yes, he will shut up anyone in the belt in fairy tales.))))
    1. +5
      December 2 2019
      Why are they cringing? Did it smell fried?
      1. +6
        December 2 2019
        I think, for various reasons, from the inability to trust officials, to the stupidity of nothing and never creating businessmen, this is simply creating the appearance of the process.)
  23. +3
    December 2 2019
    After all, what’s the main thing with us? That's right - a lot of promise, and then it is plausible to explain why nothing came of it ...

    You have - yes. And business has a blue childhood dream - that the rules at the beginning of the game do not change until the end. This is the alphabet of any economic program. Only life sometimes, and quite often, makes these rules change. For various reasons, but compelling. In addition, investments are not "manna from heaven", these are investments that should pay off and bring profit (just "fight back") to the investor. This is not generosity at all, but a sober calculation.
  24. +3
    December 2 2019
    In general, it is still very difficult to understand why we need this tale about the unprecedented apotheosis of the investment apogee. To push a bill through the State Duma? It is debatable: through it, everything that is approved in the AP is dragged through it. Or does someone create the appearance of vigorous activity? And the fairy tale itself is not so much intended for us, but, for example, for the president?

    For the president, this nonsense is not interesting.
    He knows his own abilities and the slander well.
    And their desires are known to him, for certain.
    But to the people of the next "noodles" to hang on their ears - it may well be.
    Remember about 25 million jobs?

    And again, the picture in front of the eyes: a donkey, in front of a carrot, which is held on a stick by a thick and impudent pig sitting on the back of a donkey.
    1. -4
      December 2 2019
      "Let's remember about 25 million jobs" - Let's remember in the May decrees they are registered as 25 million individual entrepreneurs already existing and created.
      1. 0
        December 2 2019
        The number of individual entrepreneurs in Russia for the first time exceeded the number of legal entities. This was reported by RBC with reference to the materials of the agency "Federal Information Service" (FSI).

        As of April 2, 4,014 million individuals were registered in Russia, and 3,98 million were registered by companies. The statistics were obtained on the basis of information from the non-governmental service “Gosreestr”, which includes data from the Unified State Register of Legal Entities and the Unified State Registration Register, said the founder of the FSI, Anatoly Globin. According to him, the data is generated with "the highest possible degree of accuracy."

        The number of operating companies has always exceeded the number of individual entrepreneurs during their analysis through public registers, but in 2016 it began to decline, the agency notes.

        At this pace, we will not reach this figure by 2030.

        With age, people begin to gravitate to fairy tales. Ie to compose them.
        For the little ones.
        Only we are no longer small. I don’t want to listen to fairy tales anymore.
        1. -2
          December 2 2019
          This is not a fairy tale - well, you won’t get it right, since you won’t take the IP, and others will take it even after 2030.
          1. 0
            December 2 2019
            This is not a fairy tale - well, you won’t get it right, since you won’t take the IP, and others will take it even after 2030.
            Do you understand what you said?
            Why won't I reach?
            What do I have to do with it?
            You are not too lazy and explain.
            Do not formulate complex thoughts. And then at the end of the sentence it is not clear where you went?
  25. +7
    December 2 2019
    A whole trillion dollars are ready to roll off Russian moneybags to their native country.


    It sounds like a joke ...
  26. +3
    December 2 2019
    We have money. We have no brains. Putin's mind is not enough to repeat the industrialization and collectivization of Stalin. And there will be no time for bathyscaphes, fishing in Khakassia and pokatushki with manual bikers.
    1. -1
      December 2 2019
      Collectivization - is it when they take away from so few farmers and agricultural enterprises on new land? Well then, welcome to the food line.
      1. +3
        December 2 2019
        No. This is when the fields overgrown with trees are plowed. This is when jobs will appear in the village. This is a revival of the village.
        1. -1
          December 2 2019
          You see, these overgrown fields are concentrated in the zone of risky farming, where it is not profitable to farm. Is it worth it to revive there? Overgrown fields are not observed in the same Kuban. Maybe you need to engage in agricultural production where it is effective and profitable? You can, of course, grow pineapples beyond the Arctic Circle at the price of gold, but do we need it?
          1. +2
            December 2 2019
            After 1991, with the advent of the market, effective owners and top managers, it is not profitable to PRODUCE in our country. Only get raw materials, export them over a hill-sell-money in offshore. Instead of milk, palm oil is beneficial to use in products.
            1. -2
              December 2 2019
              And without a market, we stood together in queues and drove for sausage hundreds of kilometers away. But there were villages. And the collective farms, which in our North-West were barely making ends meet and existed mainly on state subsidies. It was "profitable" to produce, but the grain was bought in the USA and Canada.
            2. -4
              December 2 2019
              Palm oil instead of milk — it was not a bad thing to slaughter a dairy herd in the 90s — otherwise the power disappeared and the local authorities suddenly disappeared, either the brains of the collective farms and state farms disappeared, or the brains weren’t enough to establish the sales market and production themselves, or it was just bleak — there was no power, still want.
        2. +1
          December 2 2019
          Vertical greenhouses are more suitable for growing vegetables and fruits in areas with risky farming: crops without pesticides, maximum protection from the vagaries of the weather, maximum yields with a minimum area all year round, now in Russia they are built
  27. 0
    December 2 2019
    Is it not so that among these people who created such states there is still a belief that senior officials, starting with the Kremlin, can positively use these finances? Who is stopping them from using huge resources now, nor who. Ordinary people have not believed certain officials for a long time the tales and epistles. What to say is a SWAMP, which is more and more rotting and more and more smelling.
  28. +2
    December 2 2019
    they have come to the point that now the good economic news can be considered the wet dreams of some kind of onanist from the Ministry of Finance, a powerful analyst from an unnamed source, based on a survey of some multimillionaires ... but the guarantor was glad the other day that he managed to avoid a recession (in his opinion) we continue to prepare for a powerful leap, which according to the same guarantor already seems to be going somewhere
    1. +2
      December 2 2019
      Now the nightingales will come out with a nightingale trill and splatter the TV screens in their nightingale litter Moscow.Kreml.Putin
    2. 0
      December 2 2019
      The global economy is slowing down - that’s what it is about.
  29. +1
    December 2 2019
    A whole trillion dollars are ready to roll off Russian moneybags to their native country.
    Yah? Like the pioneers - "Always ready", I do not believe. My cat is ready for mating throughout the year, but only lives in cleanliness and comfort on the ninth floor, the street, like potential partners, he sees exclusively from the loggia and does not want to go down.
  30. +4
    December 2 2019
    The great news is that the moneybags who robbed us in the 90s and continue to squeeze out all the juices from the people, and from the bowels of our country the remaining wealth, which have several passports in their pockets, and all their relatives abroad, were able to tell Garant that they were going to bribe the Russians, some seventy trillion of our stolen rubles.
    Have fun, blue-footed!
    These will not forget us.
    They will buy our lands, devastate our bowels.
    While we are alive, they will drink our blood.
    Of course, until we stop letting them ...
  31. Departure to the West will not help, dear kjhg. There’s enough of their own, eccentrics. Globalism, because it is called “globalism”, is called that “ordinary nonhumans” want to control the whole world. They pushed identification cameras in New York, and in Moscow, and in Beijing. Of course, under specious pretexts. And how the INN was praised! But so far, mowing souls, according to the name, are checked and joyfully forced the uninformed namesakes to pay other people's debts. Which quite clearly indicates that the action with the numbers had and has the background. Well, they can’t do this without shitting people! To each homo sapiens - a nomera instead of a name and ,, bonus ,, - the notorious ,, 666 ,,. During the Second World War there was such a poster ... A small traitor ugly with a big tongue and a German with his pants down, with a bare ass. Signature: ,, Tell me, reptile - how much have you been given?! ,, How much does Satan pay his modern worshipers? We will be strong - we will find out. They will tell you. But you have to be strong. One must be with the Creator. About him and - with his hydrogen sulfide loser - ,, an alien ,,, we are with the Lord. Learning from Stalin is possible and necessary, especially on the eve of the Victory Day. ,, I felt sad, the former seminarist Dzhugashvili in 1941 and immediately remembered the Russian saints - Alexander Nevsky, Dmitry Donsky (a famous speech on the rostrum of the mausoleum on November 7, 1941) .... Studying on the mistakes of ancestors is one of the important reasons for studying History, by the way. Who remembers the wealthy Russians of the early XNUMXth century? To whom, apart from specialist historians, are they interesting? How many of them have managed, but, excuse me, to take away from the country? ,, Like smoke disappears, yes disappear ... ,, Do not study, boobes.
    You don’t have to go anywhere. Work here for Russia. Here you become a serious warrior of Russia. Of course, without ORTHODOXY this is impossible. And don’t stumble on the training priests. They are ,, annoying misunderstanding ,,. But what about? EVERYONE is responsible for their choice and nd and v and d u a l n o. ,, earned - get ,,. It’s necessary to force majeure, sorry, scratch turnip,
  32. +3
    December 2 2019
    And it is not easier to take them in turn to the basement and by the rib onto the hook. They themselves will give back the stolen goods and no amnesty is needed. And from abroad, for a couple of "lemons", the local mafia itself will bring them to Russia in a suitcase and with delivery to that basement. By God, it will be cheaper and without hassle.
    1. +1
      December 2 2019
      The basement is reserved. Suddenly the king appears, but for him the place is ready.
  33. 0
    December 2 2019
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    And the collective farms, which in our North-West were barely making ends meet and existed mainly at state subsidies

    Do you know that in the USA, Canada and Europe, agriculture is subsidized by the state? No subsidies in New Zealand. Now the village, travel thousands of kilometers to work. It's better ?
    1. 0
      December 2 2019
      The subsidies there are targeted and only for individual industries. No one in Canada will give subsidies for growing grain in the northern provinces - this is insanity. And here people ran from the Non-Black Earth Region, as soon as Khrushch issued passports to collective farmers, there is nothing to catch. I have only 1979 people left in my class in 5, at home, in the village. The rest who where.
    2. -3
      December 2 2019
      Russia has the same for CX subsidies in the amount of 300 billion rubles.
  34. -6
    December 2 2019
    The fighters with the regime I watch are tearing right before our eyes. Hysteria in chorus.
  35. +2
    December 2 2019
    The amount of investment is the amount of stolen money from the Russian people. Once already robbed, now the moneybags are given the opportunity to rob again.
  36. +5
    December 2 2019
    "... ready to fuck off to their native country ..."
    This is how the power of media manipulates public consciousness. This is so that we think that a categorical domestic political action is taking place in its complete absence. And just someone from the Ministry of Finance gossiped with several oligarchs - they are one united gang, and then, having processed the gossip in the right way, that is, giving them consumer properties, passed off the operating time as the official opinion of this layer.
    And everyone lies. Both gossip collectors and sources. Like, the oligarchs are ready to invest $ trillion in Russia, but the laws are inappropriate.
    And the truth is that the State Duma will never pass laws under which race oligarchs rush to invest trillions of rubles in the Russian economy. Not because the deputies are stupid and do not know what such laws should look like, but because they were bought by oligarchs who do not want to invest in Russia under any circumstances. And the president, for 19 years persuading the oligarchs to invest, but not able to persuade them, the deputies who agree to look stupid for oligarchic bribes, is also beneficial as an excuse for his own domestic political insolvency.
    And everyone got what they wanted. Deputies - money, the president - the person, the oligarchs - the opportunity to continue to suck out the country's bowels and the vital juices of its citizens with impunity. Only emaciated citizens received nothing. Unless once again watered with slops of convincing media justification for the situation: there are no guilty!
    They watered and wiped, looking nervously at China: there, citizens threw fireworks at the police in response to the construction of a giant incinerator. The sight is something else.
  37. +2
    December 2 2019
    If a simple citizen does not believe the state, then why should a billionaire be trusted? ..
    1. 0
      December 2 2019
      State, ay! Where did you find him?
  38. +2
    December 2 2019
    The most interesting thing is that starting with some numbers of money this money ceases to be such. Because money does not have an equivalent in the form of goods, services, etc. They are not. When voicing such amounts of funds, you need to understand what programs are and how they can be used. Otherwise from and will bring chaos
  39. -1
    December 2 2019
    The article is pessimistic crying Yaroslavl - no one has invested anything yet, but everything is already worthless.
    1. +3
      December 2 2019
      Vadim, well, look, the Stavropol enterprise JSC "Monocrystal" - 47% of the world market! The absolute leader in the production of sapphires that are not used anywhere. And another 12% of the market for metallized pastes. Next year, the capacity will be doubled. Nobody persuades anyone. Entrepreneur Vladimir Polyakov. He does everything quietly and modestly. Silently. I started from scratch in the 90s. And before these ... I can't find words! ... In short, it is necessary to dance! A trillion dollars were taken away, and you think it's good? Yes, nationalize the entire mining industry to hell, and that's it! Why is Putin walking around them like a snake? Afraid of being killed? Or they have compromising evidence on him? If he nationalizes, I will survive any compromising material on Putin, I will simply brush it off. Like other people. Unless family safety concerns stop him. Only I do not believe in all this conspiracy. Putin and the oligarchs are twin brothers, and therefore we have several orders of magnitude fewer remarkable Polyakovs than we could have. And there are orders of magnitude more oligarchs than there should be. This is bad.
      1. -2
        December 2 2019
        You know, if I had the opportunity and the funds in the amount of a billion dollars starting from the year 2000, I would have made twenty billion out of it on the foreign market in 19 years - but this does not mean that I stole 20 billion.
    2. +1
      December 2 2019
      Have you already uncorked champagne, 237:
      1. -1
        December 2 2019
        I plan to invest in another automated barn and foundry in the Volgograd region and in the production of tactical knives in the Moscow region - in May this year it will be possible to open more than one bottle of champagne. As for the investments of billionaires and the transfer of their money from abroad to Russia, why not? The projects will be all sorts of different in all areas, even if they cost 6 trillion a year, it will be great.
        1. +1
          December 3 2019
          In May of what year, Vadim? )))
          May of this year has already passed))
          I suppose the next one, you just made a reservation. You once said that you have an enterprise numbering 200 people, cooperating with Atomprom and Voenprom, hence, apparently, combat knives. And cows are useful and necessary. Not one will play, so the other.
          As for the game on the stock exchange, I doubt very much that the oligarchs are clients of stockbrokers. You read, this is how they are invested and how, moreover, around the world, in real enterprises and production, but the country that gave them the opportunity to rise is bypassed. Allegedly afraid of the laws. They’re not afraid of anything! Judging by how they babysit, how they compensate for the crisis losses, they are masters of the situation. An amazing style of behavior! It’s the same as how Google develops programs, and Microsoft receives the income from it - from every gadget on which those programs are installed. Such is the logic of the current rotten at the root of capitalism. And the whole lie of the government. They gave a shish with oil to Gazprom-Cosmos, and there they need 14 billion. They don’t give anything to the fleet, to the construction of dry docks. The oligarchs are regularly pulled from the budget. From the New Year, Usmanov from each Russian barcode will row 0,5 rubles in his pocket. On a national scale, tens or even hundreds of millions. Here is such an attachment. Not to the country, but to the oligarchic pocket.
          1. 0
            December 3 2019
            In May 2020, everything will be. Gazprom is investing in Uralvagonzavod and Uralmash and many other enterprises, and recently invested in the production of satellites. One said that at the expense of Gazprom taxes 71% of all Russian medicine on the budget is provided.
  40. +6
    December 2 2019
    Quote: atalef
    Alligators, of course, accumulated their grandmothers in a not entirely honest way,


    No need to give shit for marshmallows.
    It can’t be a scumbag 1/2.


    These ghouls robbed the country and people with the full cooperation of the authorities.
    Start:

    "And in the course of an" intense competitive "struggle with himself, Potanin, having acquired a thirty-eight percent stake for $170,1 million, in fact, became the owner of the plant, although according to expert estimates, the market value of the stake was at least $ 310 million. But if we consider that at that time RAO Norilsk Nickel was annually producing products worth about $ 2,2 billion, and these estimates seem too modest. Moreover, according to many documents, the plant was recognized as a strategically important object, not subject to privatization. "

    https://nnik54.livejournal.com/3184.html

    Our days:

    "On January 31, 2007, the co-owners of the Interros holding, Vladimir Potanin and Mikhail Prokhorov, announced the division of the business for more than $ 33 billion... The partners agreed that Mr. Potanin will remain the head of Interros, receive a 26% stake in Norilsk Nickel and the right to buy out the remaining 26% from Mr. Prokhorov "
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3559074

    The bottom line:

    Ghouls bought Norilsk Nickel for $ 170 million in the 90s
    and in 2007 they share the same Norilsk Nickel based on the cost 33 yards $.
    1. +6
      December 2 2019
      "The ghouls bought NorNickel for $ 170 million in the 90s,
      and in 2007 they share the same Norilsk Nickel based on the cost of $ 33 yards. "


      Most likely they didn’t buy at all, or rather, they stole it with the tricks of secured auctions.
    2. -5
      December 2 2019
      Unfortunately, no one would have bought for big money in the 90th enterprises, in fact, there was no power - and a country that was heavily in debt needed money, so they sold everything to fill the budget, there was no other way out.
      1. +4
        December 3 2019
        Quote: Vadim237
        Unfortunately, no one would have bought for big money in the 90th enterprises, in fact, there was no power - and a country that was heavily in debt needed money, so they sold everything to fill the budget, there was no other way out.

        But now the government has a surplus budget and money like a makhorka crab, and it sings its mournful song about the need for a second wave of privatization in order to reduce state participation. And they don't need factories for the production of cotton wool and bandages with syringes, or toothpaste, give them Rostelecom, Rosneft, Roshydro, etc. with an eye on those "elephants" on which the security of Russia is still somehow kept.
        1. -1
          December 3 2019
          They generally sell shares.
  41. +4
    December 2 2019
    "A whole trillion dollars are ready to pay off the Russian moneybags to their native country."
    Oh, how good! .. And do not dissuade them. And then, right now it will begin, but why do you need it, but maybe, it is not necessary. And if necessary, then to whom?! ..
    Everything is needed, everything is in the house. Thyme in the hut.
  42. +4
    December 2 2019
    "That's right - to promise a lot, and then it is plausible to explain why nothing came of it ..."
    He answered all the questions himself! ...
  43. +3
    December 2 2019
    Storytellers? Or is it time for children to be treated?
  44. +3
    December 2 2019
    I wonder how many of these huge trillions will drip to the people? Probably, as usual, with a gulkin's nose. "No money, but you are holding on ..."
    1. 0
      December 3 2019
      Dembel 77, but not at all to drip the people.
      In my opinion, the situation is alarming. The Russian economy looks like a giant vacuum cleaner, operating at tremendous speed. Money is sucked away from the ordinary population, and from small and medium-sized entrepreneurs, that is, from everyone, and go abroad, as well as to the National Welfare Fund. From the Fund will be distributed in the guise of the implementation of 12 national projects of Putin, therefore, plundered and go to private accounts, again, abroad.
      Maybe the oligarchs do not want to participate in Putin's national projects because the system of work to create something in Russia is such that they will have to steal, as if the created economic system forces it on purpose, if you don't want to, but you have to. At the same time, it is necessary to share with the authorities, that is, to be officially smeared. The oligarchs are struggling to become their own in the West, therefore they avoid the obvious filth that they will be accused of there, where the "original" theft was forgiven them. They will not be forgiven for their connection with the corrupt Putin regime, and they are no longer forgiven. That is why I want to steal from national projects and inject. Perhaps the oligarchs buckle and hesitate because, together with the government and the Duma, they are in search of options for stealing, but in such a way that they look decent in the eyes of the West, they also live there. I guess there are no options. The West has put the stigma on Russia and implies the surrender of the economy. Him. What, in fact, is being done.
    2. +1
      December 3 2019
      Dribbling decently - there will be work and customers in all areas where the money will be invested.
      1. 0
        December 3 2019
        Ah, well, yes, I agree. )))
        1. 0
          December 3 2019
          It is difficult to steal private investments, since those who make them require a tough audit, and no projects will finance from the national welfare fund, now the fund has enough money in case of a new crisis, and programs will finance from the money that brings oil above $ 43 per barrel and also attracting investors.
  45. -1
    December 3 2019
    Another fable, for plebs, from the Ministry of Finance
    Even if we assume that the pool of rich uncles is ready to invest that kind of money (probably, they will pull cash out of the stash), then the "investment" will look like another buy-up "on the vine" that has not been squandered to the end
  46. +1
    December 3 2019
    Those who are now 20 years old can now rejoice at these plans, and the rest need to take good care of their health in order to, at least on the eve of the eternal, rejoice for their grandchildren.
  47. -3
    December 3 2019
    funny ... one is already sitting, fell for the word of honor VVP- "those who come under the capital amnesty, they will not touch those" ..
    1. 0
      December 3 2019
      Who is this sitting?
      1. 0
        December 4 2019
        https://www.vedomosti.ru/economics/articles/2019/09/22/811765-fsb-ispolzuet-amnistii уголовное дело Валерия Израйлита, совладельца компании «Усть-Луга», строившей одноименный морской порт на побережье Финского залива в Ленинградской области. Копии обвинительного заключения и других материалов дела, которое сейчас рассматривает Смольнинский районный суд Санкт-Петербурга
  48. -2
    December 3 2019
    Failure repair fee.
  49. +2
    December 3 2019
    I read the title of the article. hi
    A bit about the past and thoughts belay :
    Recently:

    Eyes - stated that during the period of continuous democracy it had left the RF 1 tril. dollars.
    Delyagin - that on the accounts of the Government, but in rubles at least 12 trillions.
    Since Soviet times and in the early 90s (personally encountered the article) the initiative group demanded the leadership of the "new" Russia break through the so-called “Debts” of all partners (USA, Japan, England, France, etc.) that seized royal money, loans (securities), property of the Republic of Ingushetia after 1917
    Having gotten into debt of the "new" Russia of the 90s, the "partners" offered to forgive everything (they are for us, we are for them), for everything ours ours. According to the group’s calculations, the issue price was then at least tril. dollars. And interest, etc. lowered modestly.
    Colleagues, in Russia, not counting minerals, money IS. This is, if very modestly said.
    Communism or at least socialism would be enough with a complete renewal of infrastructure and productive assets.
    And why not, here is another story ...
    R.S. NOT gullible, look at topics on the Internet. Successful awareness of "their" possible opportunities ... hi

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