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The IOC threw a straw to Russia. Will they be able to swim?

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This has never happened before, and here again ...



It is probably hard to believe, but the incredible happened: our “partners” again “threw us”. Yes, those same ones, in good suits, expensive shoes, with ties for a thousand dollars and cufflinks for twenty thousand. Refined, refined, somewhere even intelligent. Nevertheless, the genes of slave traders and shopkeepers make themselves felt ...

You guessed it. The point is that the WADA compliance committee recommended that Russia be removed from sporting events for four years. The reason for this recommendation was the alleged corrections in the database of the Moscow Anti-Doping Laboratory. And since there were corrections, it means that they hid something. And if they hid, then they violated. And time ...

In general, the logic is clear and fairly straightforward. And it probably could have been accepted if not for some of the nuances ...

But first, about how events are developing at the moment. This is important in and of itself, and because they literally rushed to jump, although on a superficial glance it seems that everything is going on a knurled track.

So, WADA recommended that the International Olympic Committee remove Russian athletes from international sports. Also among the recommended measures of influence on Russia are the transfer from the Russian Federation of the competitions planned there, sanctions against Russian sports officials, a ban on their appearance at international sports competitions as part of any delegations. However, it was specifically noted that the Russian Anti-Doping Committee did a great job of correcting mistakes, so it was recommended that “pure” athletes from Russia be allowed to compete, but, as you might guess, under a neutral flag.

A special reservation was also made regarding the transfer of planned international starts from Russia. This can and should be done, according to WADA, "if it is possible practically and legally." In addition, it turns out that the WADA “Major Events” wording implies only the largest international starts, such as the Olympic Games and World Championships. Therefore, the holding in St. Petersburg of the matches of the European Football Championship, the finals of European cups and other competitions of comparable status does not seem to be under threat.

The ban is supposed to be made four-year. Accordingly, this will affect the upcoming Summer Olympics in Tokyo and the 2022 Winter Olympics in Beijing. Further, of course, the next procedures, investigations, admission or refusal - this is already at will.

Hope only for the Council of Europe?


The meeting of the Executive Committee of the World Anti-Doping Agency will be held in Paris on December 9. This is likely to be the point of the report of the next anti-Russian sports sanctions. And it seems that nothing can be done about it, though ...

No, I don’t have any particular illusions. Moreover, the IOC has already issued a statement in which it warmly endorsed the recommendations of WADA. Everything is in the best traditions there: they supported the “pure athletes”, in fact, having promised them participation in the largest international starts under a neutral flag, they condemned the functionaries, and in general agreed.

But some hope is raised by the IOC proposal to transfer WADA materials to the Council of Europe and UNESCO. It would seem that this is so? But not so simple. Both of these organizations have relevant anti-doping conventions in sport. Both have authority that is not comparable to that of WADA. And both, it is very likely that in their conclusions and recommendations they will be guided by the norms of the law.

But with the latter, WADA is bad. Very bad. Some kind of “base” obtained in 2015 from an unnamed source (probably from Rodchenkov, but “possible”), which no one saw in the eyes, no one verified, and the reliability of which initially raises great doubts. In the end, it is logical to assume that if the base obtained through official channels is faked, is it technically possible and could it be faked before? And if so, who will guarantee that the option referred to by the WADA Compliance Committee is not falsified?

Actually, the accusations of falsifying the officially obtained base of the Moscow Anti-Doping Laboratory are based precisely on the fact that the data contained in it do not correspond to the data available in the database in 2015. Therefore, it is supposedly fake. Although, I repeat, the authenticity of the WADA database is not confirmed by anyone at all.

Accordingly, this will be revealed in any unbiased investigation conducted at least at the Council of Europe, at least at UNESCO. Let's be realistic: in this case, the absolute impartiality of these organizations is hard to believe, but still it is better than the current unfounded accusations.

And if so, we can assume that in the IOC itself, not everything is as simple as it sometimes seems. This is partly confirmed in a statement by Linda Helleland, vice president of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). In her opinion, the IOC will resist the removal of Russia from international competitions.

I am afraid that the IOC is opposing us. Many forces and posts will be at stake. 12 people will vote, and I am afraid that we may be in the minority.


Now, following the recommendation of the IOC, to present the materials at the disposal of WADA to representatives of the Council of Europe and UNESCO, it becomes clear that Madame Vice President was somewhat right. And this at the moment looks like a straw for which Russian sport can grasp.

Chef, it's all gone!


At the same time, it should be noted that we are demonstrating complete doom in this regard. All around there is a nagging, sports and para-sporting officials plaintively bleat something about "well, what to do now, they violated", everyone is preparing stoically to take a strict punishment for Russian sports, so long as it does not concern them themselves.

But in reality, we are only to blame for the fact that we allowed ourselves to persuade us to the infamous “deal with the investigation”. Then, let me remind you, we agreed to recognize all kinds of “McLaren reports” and other nonsense, which has no legal evidence, in exchange for our participation (under a neutral flag!) At the Olympics in Korea. The result, as you recall, is completely inglorious in a sports sense, but also, as it now turns out, only complicating our life for years to come.

Those who mumbled and bleated about “we all admit, are guilty, we will correct ourselves”, and now they occupy high posts. But the result of this bleating was that now we can not protest the reports mentioned, now we really have an official status of anti-doping law violators, now any of our arguments breaks down into reinforced concrete “well, you yourself admitted!”

Alas, it is. Moreover, for all the time I have not seen a single serious counterattack, not a single, relatively speaking, offensive action by Russia. We were circled around the finger, and even made to believe that we had a wonderful time. And we quietly sat in our dark corner, afraid to go out into the world so that we would not be taken away from the latter.

Have a good time. And what to do now? The question is rhetorical. Nothing to do. To drink to the bottom that cup of shame that comrades Mutko and Zhukov presented to us. So or…

No, we can do something. Already not for salvation here and now, but for work in the future. First of all, refuse to buy the broadcast rights of any sports that we will not be allowed to fly under our flag. Yes, this is not such a huge amount of money, of the order of 100 million dollars, but for the IOC, whose budget depends on the sale of rights to broadcast OIs for years to come, this is a fairly tangible amount. Lose 200 millions for two Olympiads in a row - this, believe me, will be very noticeable for sports officials.

In addition, the Russian media could in principle ignore such sporting events. Moreover, there is more shame from them than glory (there is no last one), so why put a fence on the garden?

In any case, I really would not want to see the Korean disgrace again. And it doesn’t bother me that our sports “patriots” will immediately run under the wrong flags and begin to pour mud on Russia. Maybe it’s for the best, such self-cleaning of the body alone is worth something ...
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  1. Far B
    Far B 29 November 2019 06: 02
    +21
    But in reality, we are only to blame for the fact that we allowed ourselves to persuade us to the infamous “deal with the investigation”. Then, let me remind you, we agreed to recognize all sorts of "McLaren reports" and other nonsense, which has no legal evidence, in exchange for our participation (under a neutral flag!) At the Olympics in Korea.
    Another foreign policy "peremoga" from our authorities, headed by Himself, who, as you know, only "not everything is so great in domestic policy, but in foreign policy we are - hoo!"
    1. WILL
      WILL 29 November 2019 06: 19
      +15
      Officials from sports do not mind the word - Quite! Sorry for the athletes for whom the Olympics often happens - Once in a lifetime! Which, not sparing their own health, increase the prestige of the Country at any level in international competitions!
      I'd like to believe that shame, performances under the White Flag - do not happen again!
      1. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 29 November 2019 06: 26
        +41
        I do not care about the sanctions of WADA, the IOC and others.

        I am for the removal of our country from sports, as it sounds strange.

        I believe that it is necessary to change the sports management system. I agree that Sinushi is toothless.

        And so they say, the athletes will run away .. They said that? Yes, let them run. Sport must be cleansed of the bureaucrats, false patriots and amateurs to profit.

        And for optimism. Peter the First lost under Narva. With foreign trainers)) but after Poltava he drank Swedes for his teachers.

        I believe in Russia.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 29 November 2019 06: 54
          +15
          WADA recommended remove Russia from sports competitions for four years.

          Yes, everything is in order, the main thing is not to whine! Zhukov will apologize again! And again we will "win" the Olympics under the white flag. For the first time or something! They will ring for victories again on the TV set at the end.

          I remember last year’s agreement and apologized to WADA justified by the fact that if this does not happen, then we will be removed again. Everyone was told that this, they say, is the most reasonable state policy ... But just why again it led to the removal?
          1. Andrey Chistyakov
            Andrey Chistyakov 29 November 2019 06: 59
            -8
            Quote: Stas157
            WADA recommended remove Russia from sports competitions for four years.

            Yes, everything is in order, the main thing is not to whine! Zhukov will apologize again! And again we will "win" the Olympics under the white flag. For the first time or something! They will ring for victories again on the TV set at the end.

            I remember last year’s agreement and apologized to WADA justified by the fact that if this does not happen, then we will again be dismissed. Everyone was convinced that this, they say, is the most reasonable state policy ... But why did it again lead to a suspension?

            Zhukov has nothing to do with the Olympics now. (Rejection) You are ours !!!!
        2. Tank hard
          Tank hard 29 November 2019 09: 40
          +25
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          I do not care about the sanctions of WADA, the IOC and others

          The lack of a flag, a synonym for surrender to the enemy. What do I need this IOC? I speak only for myself. As I went to martial arts training, I will continue to go, will they disappear with the ban of the Russian Federation to participate in international competitions? Perhaps not. Health and certain skills are important to me, I am not particularly interested in Olympic gold and the like. The sport of high achievements is associated with various points that I personally do not approve of, this is pharmacology of various levels and so on, which has a very negative effect on health. Yes, high-level athletes will be somewhat sad, but much has been said about this. In SDUSHOR, pupils mostly study for free from 2 times a day and have certain benefits. Those. achieving certain results, the athlete should be grateful to the state, as well. Many of them, who make good money, are deputies of the State. Thoughts with the appropriate salary and privileges. Some of them live outside the borders of the Russian Federation, even such a patriotic one. as Isinbayeva, she lived (possibly still lives, I don’t particularly watch) in Monaco. All of them (athletes of this level) are pros. those. Sport is their means of making money. This is their conscious choice, they could be teachers or doctors. For me, speaking without a flag is a shame, but here everyone has their own opinion. In general, I agree with you. hi
          1. Neznaika
            Neznaika 29 November 2019 10: 53
            -9
            You are trying to pull on a state vest.
            This is after all about the state. About interference in sports at the state level.
            That sport has become an integral part of state ideology.
            That the state is ready to take any measures for the sake of state prestige. How it was done in Sochi.
            That's what they punish us for.
            For doping is used by many athletes. In many countries.
            But not a single country except Russia is accused of literally imposing doping at the state level. These are not my words. This is the point of view of international sports. Is she wrong?
            Perfectly. So disprove her!
            And what in fact? There is nothing to refute. In response, only helpless bleating and whining "but for what?"
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 29 November 2019 12: 01
              +5
              Quote: Neznaika
              You are trying to pull on a state vest.

              Quote: Neznaika
              And what in fact? There is nothing to refute. In response, only helpless bleating and whining "but for what?"

              Are you talking to me?! This is where I whine and bleat, in what place ?! What should I refute ?! feel
              1. Neznaika
                Neznaika 29 November 2019 15: 52
                -1
                In no case to you. Only the first part of the comment applies to you.
                The state of the Russian Federation should refute the version of state doping.
                So far (and this is what I’m paying attention to) this is not happening.
                Instead, there are constant deflections of the Russian sports elite, starting with Zhukov. The question is why?
                Is it because the stigma is down? What is essentially nothing to answer these accusations?
                After all, everything that has been put forward by the Russian side is for domestic consumption. It won’t go for export, because chickens laugh.
                Therefore, we must either put forward really killer counterarguments, or backtrack.
                Time is running out. Athletes also need to decide something for themselves. Why did they tear the veins?
                1. region58
                  region58 30 November 2019 23: 33
                  +1
                  Quote: Neznaika
                  Why did they tear the veins?

                  Why don’t they get paid?
            2. Overlock
              Overlock 29 November 2019 17: 17
              +5
              Quote: Neznaika
              These are not my words. This is the point of view of international sports. Is she wrong?
              Perfectly. So disprove her!

              let's try!
              Director General of the Russian Anti-Doping Agency (RUSADA) Yuri Ganus confirmed that the data of the Moscow Anti-Doping Laboratory were changed before being handed over to the experts of the International Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). He announced this at a conference in Colorado, reports The New York Times.
              Ganus believes that the data from the Moscow laboratory were faked in order to protect the reputation of famous Russian athletes who currently work in government or are senior sports officials. According to the CEO of RUSADA, we are talking about thousands of changes in the data of doping samples of athletes from Russia.
              Ganus noted that Only persons close to the Russian authorities could have the opportunity to change the data of the Moscow laboratory. laughing

              What can I say? All said
              1. lelik613
                lelik613 2 December 2019 07: 20
                +1
                Such a strange question ... This is the level of competence of Mr. Anus, decide whether to change the database or not? This topic should be transferred to the criminal plane and the prosecutor’s office should understand: what, where, when. Anus with the counter - to abolish due to uselessness.
          2. V.I.F.
            V.I.F. 29 November 2019 11: 29
            +13
            Quote: Tank Hard
            In SDUSHOR, pupils mostly study for free from 2 times a day and have certain benefits. Those. achieving certain results, the athlete should be grateful to the state, as well. Many of them, who earn good money, are deputies of the State. Thoughts with the appropriate salary and privileges.

            Not so long ago, such a "sportswoman" said that now children rely only on their parents, and parents do not whine and do not try to "shift their responsibilities to the state."
            So they forget the country's participation in their fate - instantly. Consider themselves loved by the creators of their careers.
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 29 November 2019 12: 50
              +8
              Quote: V.I.F.
              so that nowadays children rely only on their parents, and parents do not whine and do not try to "shift their responsibilities to the state"

              And I always hoped for myself. never blamed or blamed anyone. By the way, I am very positive about paid sections. My mother, a USSR first-class swimmer, wanted me to become a swimmer. gave me swimming since 5 years old (there was the USSR and there were no paid sections, at least for us, for that period I don’t remember any). The first time I didn’t pass the selection to school, and then there was jaundice, I fell ill and after a set period of time my mother and I came to the section again. But here I felt the blow for the first time in my life. The coach (by the way my mother’s friend. They trained together) said very harshly. that I’m not promising now, she doesn’t have time to spend on me, she is a sport of high achievements and does not need ballast for her. try yourself somewhere else and point us to the door. It was tough for a kid like me. Then I began to engage in wrestling, then other martial arts. achieved some success and continue to do so far. Why am I? Sport is a great achievement and requires high returns and is often ruthless. for he does not tolerate sentiment on the way to the top. it must be understood and accepted. But the variety of sections, including paid ones, makes it possible to implement in other forms. and not necessarily Olympic. because for me (for example) psychological balance and human health are also important. Engaged in martial arts and pursuing certain goals, having approximately analyzed the physical abilities of the child, he gave his son to boxing. He is not bad at it and having decided to save, he gave it to a sports school, where he is free. But after a while he took it, and gave it to the paid section. Firstly. a sports school requires a lot of time, taking it away from school (in our case), which did not suit the family, and secondly, since there is a direction to sports of high achievements. then everything is as tough as possible. for example, a child began to be paired with much stronger and more experienced guys, he began to receive injuries, and was reluctant to visit the section. Why do we need a broken psyche in a child? They gave it to the paid school, there are less workloads, more time to study, the coach makes sure that the pairs work equally, and if he believes that the child is ready. it can offer competitions, but at will. My son is 13 years old, already had several skirmishes with peers (I know about six), they tried to pick up things. phone, humiliate, once three, once four, three times, the guys were much larger and weighed one and a half times more. All these moments the son passed with honor. most aggressors were beaten. some later with their parents complained about him, they say, he hit hard. And we need to be able to fend for ourselves. we don’t need high sports successes. Somehow we will live without the Olympics. IMHO
              1. V.I.F.
                V.I.F. 29 November 2019 12: 59
                +1
                Quote: Tank Hard
                But the variety of sections, including paid ones

                "Only for oneself" is not at all "including", but "exclusively". It shouldn't be like that. Paid sports without free are much worse than free sports without paid ones, but this, of course, does not mean that the latter is great, it only means that it is better (of the two given options).
                1. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 29 November 2019 13: 03
                  +4
                  Quote: V.I.F.
                  "Only for oneself" is not at all "including", but "exclusively". It shouldn't be like that. Paid sports without free are much worse than free sports without paid ones, but this, of course, does not mean that the latter is great, it only means that it is better (of the two given options)

                  And I added IMHO. I say that the approach should be differentiated. There should be various options. And the absence of the Olympics is not a sentence. wink
                  1. V.I.F.
                    V.I.F. 29 November 2019 13: 06
                    +12
                    Quote: Tank Hard
                    lack of Olympics is not a sentence

                    In this I fully agree. No one gave the right to our officials to humiliate the country only for the participation of someone in some kind of sports show (the Olympics today is a show, first of all)
                    1. Tank hard
                      Tank hard 29 November 2019 13: 07
                      +6
                      Quote: V.I.F.
                      . No one gave the right to our officials to humiliate the country only for the participation of someone in some kind of sports show (the Olympics today is a show, first of all)

                      I completely agree with you. hi
                    2. Andrey Shch
                      Andrey Shch 29 November 2019 15: 33
                      +4
                      So they do not seem to humiliate. Remember how it was arranged before South Korea: we (officials) had nothing to do with it. It’s the athletes who want to ride, they trained like that, have suffered so much, they need it, and we just help them. But if you start to object, they will release the same Tarasova against you, who will start screaming that the athletes bring glory to the country, and you are no one calling you. Ugh, censorship words end.
                      1. V.I.F.
                        V.I.F. 29 November 2019 15: 54
                        +5
                        I agree with you too. We are all about officials, but about officials. Those athletes who don’t care what kind of "rag" to perform (even three-color, even white) - also ardent greetings. But the state - it is the officials who substitute it anyway, because they are state people.
                      2. Revival
                        Revival 1 December 2019 19: 06
                        +3
                        Athletes bring glory to the country under the flag of the country, under the white flag they bring shame to the country and only shame
        3. krops777
          krops777 30 November 2019 16: 00
          +3
          I am for the removal of our country from sports, as it sounds strange.

          I think we should not wait until we are removed or offered to speak under a white rag and get out of it all ourselves and not pay anywhere in the IOC, POP, PSC and other organizations plus not buying broadcasts, they themselves will resort as with PACE, especially considering not the popularity of the Olympic games and summer games in particular.

          And according to WADA, everywhere only one is violated, and the other is neither.
      2. Flooding
        Flooding 29 November 2019 07: 02
        +22
        Quote: ANIMAL
        Which, not sparing their own health, increase the prestige of the Country at any level in international competitions!

        And then some leftovers of their health are left in the State Duma and other power structures, without any self-pity.
        Why are athletes elevated to the rank of special personalities? Each profession has its own costs. Many of them leave without any pity for their health to train, perform and live abroad.
        1. edmed
          edmed 29 November 2019 07: 47
          +1
          Quote: Flood
          Why are athletes elevated to the rank of special personalities?

          Alas, not all and not always, there was a world champion in our town, then played in "Du Soleil", returned, his parents organized a business for him, did not go, signed a contract with "Du Soleil". "What we have, we do not store, we cry."
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 29 November 2019 08: 14
            +17
            Many of them without any pity for their health

            And many of us without any pity for our health work in factories and factories, and in the cold and cold we build power lines, railways and other roads. What is it like? Or are only athletes torn?
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 29 November 2019 11: 24
              +10
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              And many of us, without any pity for our health ... How is this?

              And this is so that when performing a combat mission (some) they can neither change course nor change form, and they have no alternative besides death ... And there are people who burn (literally) at work precisely in the name of, and not for my own satisfaction ...
              We are cheating on this topic, and our state (those in power) are ready to sacrifice the state flag, anthem, and sovereignty for their selfish interests. Sport turned into a source of income and that is why, in a capitalist society, nobody wants to give these incomes no matter what ...
              And it is also disgusting that those who "have done" in one area of ​​leadership are transferred to other positions ... In connection with what? For what merits? No answer ... And there won't be.
              1. Revival
                Revival 1 December 2019 19: 09
                0
                I am not surprised by the logic of the authorities about the performance of athletes flying a white flag, symptomatic
              2. NordUral
                NordUral 3 December 2019 15: 51
                +2
                These are all trifles amid the fact that these and their predecessors donated a country called the Soviet Union.
                Now, in essence, that is, about doping and whether the country is to blame, or rather its rulers. As for me, that crazy victory in Sochi caused me some bewilderment. Well, that can't be like that. And in the USSR this was not. And all the subsequent after the accusations only convinced that the case was unclean and that all sorts of trouble and K had a lot of dope.
                But even if this is so, then it was necessary to fight back and not recognize anything.
                After all, the West itself has a snout in a cannon with a dope, so it was necessary to work, opening it, and not to bleat and appear under the white flag.
                Although I’m talking about it, since we have betrayed our flag for thirty years - red, changing it to Vlasov, so you can’t get used to it under the banner of cowards and traitors, with a white flag.
      3. V.I.F.
        V.I.F. 29 November 2019 11: 24
        +7
        Quote: ANIMAL
        increase the prestige of the country

        Many of them do not mind raising the prestige of any other country.
      4. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 29 November 2019 12: 06
        +1
        Quote: ANIMAL
        Officials from sports do not mind the word - Quite!

        Lukashenka “pulled on” his great - he’s not good, he says to go on free tour trips, if you’ve already come to the sport, no matter who, coach, manager, athlete - give the result! If you can't - don't return to the country! good
        1. V.I.F.
          V.I.F. 29 November 2019 13: 14
          +2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Lukashenka “pulled on” his great - he’s not good, he says to go on free tour trips, if you’ve already come to the sport, no matter who, coach, manager, athlete - give the result! If you can't - don't return to the country!

          Blah blah blah - and we have enough. It is called: "effective management". Shouted, scolded, and you sit straight, waiting for porridge from the ax. Much easier than working. Only the result is "0". But in such a scheme it is convenient to blame those who "did not cope" with the task.
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    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 29 November 2019 06: 21
      +1
      but wouldn’t it be that something would change?))) this is an attack on everyone with specific goals. with no options for a good exit for us. fork. just have to choose the lesser of two evils. we’ll send everyone that it will be bad for us. sports without international competitions are yard competitions. trying to agree we will put more and more new conditions. as the author said, you have to beat for money. there are no other options.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 29 November 2019 06: 30
        +10
        as one sportsman in gray clothes said: “I have invested so much money in myself, I have to beat them off.” Not a word about the country.
        1. Revival
          Revival 1 December 2019 19: 10
          0
          And he didn’t have a place in his country either in words or in deeds. Cynically and honestly ...
          And shamefully
      2. Far B
        Far B 29 November 2019 06: 30
        +7
        sports without international competitions are yard competitions.
        Why suddenly, if it develops at the same level? The USSR was excommunicated from international competitions for a very long time. Remind me, pzhalsta, the results of the first Olympic Games in which Soviet athletes took part (the hint is 1952)? And it's not just the USSR that matters. The same Germans (FRG) were excommunicated from international sports in the post-war period. And then they took "gold" at the very first World Cup, where they were admitted.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 29 November 2019 06: 45
          0
          yeah. Have you heard about the Olympic cycles, for example, and the training that is being laid for this period? without competition with the best to become at their level is impossible in principle. this is an axiom. Do you know how it will be? For example, it will be the most powerful team of Belarus because without these competitions all the strongest will go there. and that’s it. and we will have the remaining puff although they think other teams will run away.
          1. Far B
            Far B 29 November 2019 07: 29
            +6
            without competition with the best to become at their level is impossible in principle. it is an axiom.
            One more time:
            Remind me, please, the results of the first Olympic Games in which Soviet athletes took part (hint - this is 1952)?
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 29 November 2019 11: 28
              -3
              I specifically ignored this issue for one simple reason - over the past 50 years, the sport of top achievements has changed dramatically. The sport of top achievements is the only activity model in which for outstanding champions the functioning of almost all body systems can manifest itself in the zone of absolute physical and practical limits of a healthy person . A significant increase in sporting achievements happened in my opinion in 90 years. starting from pharmacology and ending with those economic incentives that increased sharply in the nineties. prize pools and all that. advertising and contracts. it has also become a huge business. and in this environment, falling out for years is death. I didn’t come up with it, but that's how it works. Now there is a choice - easy to change citizenship and start playing for another country to spit. in the USSR there was no such choice. that's all scatter.
              1. Far B
                Far B 30 November 2019 02: 25
                +2
                You have spaceships plowing the expanses of the Bolshoi Theater. By 1952, 56 years had passed since the first Olympics. And the development of world sports is also much ahead of the level of 1896. However, the USSR national team corresponded to the level of 1952, and not 1896. Just because the development of sports in the Union, despite isolation, kept pace with the times. Observing this principle now, we won’t leave anywhere, do not talk nonsense.
                However, your answer was quite expected.
          2. Tank hard
            Tank hard 29 November 2019 09: 46
            0
            Quote: carstorm 11
            without competition with the best to become at their level is impossible in principle.

            What for? To make money?
            1. leonidsi
              leonidsi 2 December 2019 20: 09
              +1
              +++++ !!! In our sinful world, with all its confusion, not everything is measured by money, as long as there is a place for other values ​​and God forbid that it be so in the future. Well, for highly athletic individuals there are many other places over the hill where they can improve their "talents".
      3. 72jora72
        72jora72 29 November 2019 07: 06
        +6
        just have to choose the lesser of two evils.
        Based on such theses, we will constantly find ourselves in such situations.
      4. Andrey Shch
        Andrey Shch 29 November 2019 08: 32
        +12
        That is, you believe that it has nothing to do with Himself? I remember these battles in front of South Korea. On the Internet, 80-90 percent were against the trip, and on TV, the ratio was somewhere around 50-50, even with a certain margin so as not to go. Moreover, quite "big" people like Tolstoy (at that time the deputy chairman of the State Duma) were against. But as VVP essentially gave the go-ahead for the trip (before that on the eve of Peskov he reacted positively), so instantly all opponents were gagged. On the Web, too, remained, but on the central channels continuous endorsements. Most likely now it will also be.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 29 November 2019 13: 09
          0
          I already wrote above, if you reckon with the athletes and their desires do not, they will all go to other teams. that's all. and the country will lose the best. and second after the best too. I understand that now there will be something like, well, and let them knock only this dead end path.
          1. Andrey Shch
            Andrey Shch 29 November 2019 15: 47
            0
            You objected to the person who wrote about GDP. Like, without him, nothing would have changed. So I am writing to you that he is very much to do with. As for the rest, I did not mind, although I fundamentally disagree with you. I just see that your position is categorical, you completely do not perceive a different opinion, and what’s the point of buttging.
    4. Civil
      Civil 29 November 2019 07: 21
      +12
      Stop shaming and humiliating yourself
      you must have the honor and dignity to send
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 29 November 2019 08: 19
        +7
        I support and quote:
        More than a hundred years ago, Tsar Alexander II once said: “In the life of the state, as in personal life, there are times when we must forget everything and defend honor.”
        I am convinced that the current rulers of Russia have forgotten the word honor.
        1. atalef
          atalef 30 November 2019 17: 06
          0
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          there are times when we must forget everything and defend honor. ”

          honor in what?
          The fact that there was a dong state. the program is state-owned and the Russian WADA participated in this, as we know.
          that is, what was required of Russia was to fire the bureaucrats caught red-handed and provide real data to the WADA rkhiva of Russia.
          Well, at first I was not yelling and not my horse, and then they forged the archive and again got caught.
          What an honor - that they framed athletes (clean) is part of the problem, that they deprived the fans of the opportunity to attend the competitions or rejoice in the victories of their team, to hear the anthem - this is not their problem either, the problem of all these bureaucrats is to admit that they screwed up in full and were caught (like many athletes too), the problem was to recognize that it was a state program - and a huge number of state structures were involved in it.
          It’s easier for them to start another company - like all-around enemies, than to admit that everyone lied.
      2. WIKI
        WIKI 29 November 2019 10: 43
        +8
        Quote: Civil
        Stop shaming and humiliating yourself
        you must have the honor and dignity to send

        And comrade Putin does not agree with you: "We will without any doubt declare any blockade, we will not prevent our Olympians from participating (in the Games) if any of them want to take part in their personal capacity." Mutko, Putin, Zhukov, this is one, and not each in itself.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 29 November 2019 13: 10
          0
          But how do you imagine? I as the head of state forbid athletes to speak at the Olympics?) seriously want to hear something like that?)
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 29 November 2019 15: 10
            +1
            I wanted to tell the author of the article that not only the switchmen are to blame. And secondly, I responded to the offer to "send", which Putin ignored .. And I would like to hear his statement that we carried out investigative actions, and the results are such that we will present to the international court.
    5. DAC scratch
      DAC scratch 29 November 2019 07: 51
      0
      even some athletes admitted, and even mclaren’s report recognized even Putin
      1. Far B
        Far B 29 November 2019 07: 55
        +3
        Keyword
        some

        McLaren’s report recognized even Putin
        Oops But is Puten so immersed in sports that he can confirm all the figures of the report from memory?
        1. DAC scratch
          DAC scratch 29 November 2019 08: 15
          -2
          [/ quote] Oops. But Puten, is he so immersed in sports that he can confirm all the figures of the report from memory? [/ Quote] no, but I think he was informed, although I agree, the question is complicated, I just think that at least the president could help somehow, but no
        2. Kronos
          Kronos 29 November 2019 12: 18
          0
          He is the head of state. His words. Official position of the country.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 29 November 2019 13: 12
            -2
            he didn’t say anything like that. On the contrary, he repeatedly claimed that it was all savagery and insinuations that had nothing under them except empty words.
            1. Kronos
              Kronos 29 November 2019 13: 50
              +1
              No, he admitted that it’s possible and the fine was paid.
    6. New Year day
      New Year day 29 November 2019 15: 58
      +7
      Quote: Dalny V
      Another foreign policy "peremogy" from our authorities

      Even Fetisov could not restrain himself, spoke out.

      Alas, sports officials are also far from athletes
      1. atalef
        atalef 30 November 2019 17: 07
        +2
        Quote: Silvestr
        Alas, sports officials are also far from athletes

        they just know the truth, and not what the first channel is stuffed with people.
        Fetisov knows what it is about.
  2. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 29 November 2019 06: 04
    +1
    In principle, we are witnessing an unsportsmanlike anti-doping fight by the IOC and other structures. You can not punish the whole country and all athletes of the country due to the fact that someone privately uses doping. This is very similar to something deliberate to ensure the victories of teams of attractive sports officials of the countries. negative
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 29 November 2019 06: 32
      +3
      Quote: bessmertniy
      In principle, we are witnessing an unsportsmanlike anti-doping fight by the IOC and other structures. You can not punish the whole country and all athletes of the country due to the fact that someone privately uses doping. This is very similar to something deliberate to ensure the victories of teams of attractive sports officials of the countries. negative

      it's just another way to dunk our country in a salad.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 29 November 2019 08: 21
        +3
        Yes, they always wanted to "dunk" our country, that's understandable. The reaction of our rulers is not clear.
        1. atalef
          atalef 30 November 2019 17: 15
          0
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          The reaction of our rulers is not clear.

          understandable - you don’t hang noodles on your ears.
          I don’t understand at all, the head of Rus WADA admitted (the head of Rus WADA is new, not Rodchenkov) that the archive was falsified.
          Falsified, in order to whitewash specific officials and former athletes.
          What more do you need?
          Do we all believe in conspiracies?
          fool
  3. Rwmos
    Rwmos 29 November 2019 06: 07
    +5
    Yes, the fact that WADA, coupled with all sorts of FIFA-UEFA, has decayed for a long time - of course, without repetition! There, the hair turns gray and moves from those fairy tales that are sculpted regularly by the same WADA! For example, you catch a thread of a student of the first or second honey and ask why asthmatics are given exemption from physical education. Yes, everything is just like firewood - run him a couple of laps running around the school stadium - he will lie down and die in you - suffocating. Then we look at different Björndalen ...
    Norwegian athletes bring more than 6000 doses of asthma medication to the winter Olympics in Pyeongchang

    And about the removal of ours - the laughter is the most in what? And the fact that they are suspended BECAUSE that in the Russian Federation, according to their own, WADA words, they are perfectly fighting doping:
    The activities of the Russian Anti-Doping Agency (RUSADA) were recognized as effective, and its cooperation with other anti-doping organizations was fruitful. The Committee does not recommend special monitoring and oversight of the organization over a four-year period.

    At the same time, a list of recommended sanctions is presented. The key ones are the ban on holding international competitions in the country, the participation of "pure" athletes in competitions only in neutral status and the deprivation of the national team of the opportunity to play under the national flag at major competitions. All this - for the same four years.
    1. maden.usmanow
      maden.usmanow 29 November 2019 20: 48
      -3
      Do not mislead people.
      Sports asthma happens not only to Norwegian skiers, Shipulin also had it.
      And often found in winter sports

      https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/astma-fizicheskogo-usiliya-u-sportsmenov


      Or do you seriously think that people with ordinary asthma are able to ski for kilometers and take gold medals?


      WADA praised only RUSADA, specifically the Moscow anti-doping laboratory, is not subordinate to RUSADA.
      And WADA's claims relate specifically to fraud in the Moscow laboratory.
      Rewriting and deleting entire segments in files, so that male urine suddenly became female and vice versa.
      These are obvious things.
      There were file manipulations in the laboratory, the traces were cleaned up, even several days before the file base was transferred to WADA.
      1. Dali
        Dali 30 November 2019 16: 13
        +1
        Quote: maden.usmanow
        Do not mislead people.

        And I advise you the same ...
        Quote: maden.usmanow
        Sports asthma happens not only to Norwegian skiers, Shipulin also had it.
        Firstly, a source of information to the studio ... Secondly, where did you see the code of our athletes asmatics, who were officially allowed to eat so many asthma medicines at international competitions with all kinds of wads and would they even win ?! belay

        You are a blatant liar !!!
        1. Liam
          Liam 30 November 2019 16: 44
          -1
          Quote: Dali
          You are a blatant liar !!!

          19 August, 16: 23
          Deputy head of RUSADA: “6 doses of salbutamol in Norwegians are very few. But no one explains it. ”
          ...
          I’m not a doctor, I called our guys who are involved in TI registration and asked how much it is. They immediately said that, firstly, it is very, very small, enough only for emergency care and, secondly, ours are driven five times more - and these are also allowed volumes, completely legal. But no one explains this, the main thing is to say that the Norwegian team is lucky ....

          https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.sports.ru/amp/news/1077357567/
        2. Liam
          Liam 30 November 2019 16: 48
          0
          Quote: Dali
          You are a blatant liar !!!

          The FLGR confirmed that Lungov and Chernousov take asthma medication
          21 September 2016 20: 51
          REY
          The President of the Russian Cross-Country Skiing Federation (FLGR), Elena Vyalbe, confirmed the information about the use of asthma drugs by Russian athletes Alexander Legkov and Ilya Chernousov, clarifying that skiers have therapeutic permission for this.


          Recall Legkov is the Olympic champion in Sochi in the 50 km race. Chernousov at the same distance was able to take the bronze award of the Games.
          https://news.sportbox.ru/Vidy_sporta/cross_country/spbnews_NI669500_V_FLGR_podtverdili_chto_Legkov_i_Chernousov_prinimajut_lekarstva_ot_astmy
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 29 November 2019 06: 08
    +11
    It's probably hard to believe, but the incredible happened: our “partners” again “threw us”
    ... Once again, the partners wiped their feet ... more precisely ...
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 29 November 2019 08: 25
      +6
      And they will wipe it until it comes to our main thing that we must answer tightly, and not chew snot. How many years has this shame been going on? How many times have our people swaggered about hauling VAD through the courts? And where is all this?
  5. Waddimm
    Waddimm 29 November 2019 06: 11
    +27
    So, we (the inhabitants of Russia) lose the sport of high achievements. So what? Could it be better to spend the released funds on mass physical education? To improve the population will clearly be more useful! For officials and the sports business, it's a pichalka ... But for some reason I don’t feel sorry for these!
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 29 November 2019 06: 17
      -21
      this will bury the sport for many years unfortunately. It is the sport of the highest achievements. then it will be much more expensive and more difficult to get out of this hole.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 29 November 2019 06: 25
        +18
        Quote: carstorm 11
        this will bury the sport for many years unfortunately. It is the sport of the highest achievements. then it will be much more expensive and more difficult to get out of this hole.

        free mass sport buried, but he does not mind
      2. Andrey Chistyakov
        Andrey Chistyakov 29 November 2019 06: 42
        +10
        Quote: carstorm 11
        this will bury the sport for many years unfortunately. It is the sport of the highest achievements. then it will be much more expensive and more difficult to get out of this hole.

        And sport has long been gone. There are doping "competitions". Look at "brother" S. Williams.
        He-she must go from tennis to weightlifting.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 29 November 2019 06: 50
          +5
          it’s hard to argue with this for a long time, especially after these concerts that are coming now)
      3. Slavutich
        Slavutich 29 November 2019 07: 10
        +12
        This is not a sport, but a show with gladiators for the needs of beer companies and bookmakers. The funeral of the varieties began in the 80s, ended with the complete collapse of the USSR, now the dope show, we could not hide it far away - the country is degrading and chemists along with it, USA , China is succeeding.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 29 November 2019 13: 13
          -5
          But what are you?) Apparently for this reason, world achievements in sports are constantly growing. apparently from the grave.
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 29 November 2019 06: 34
      +7
      Quote: Waddimm
      So, we (the inhabitants of Russia) lose the sport of high achievements. So what? Could it be better to spend the released funds on mass physical education? To improve the population will clearly be more useful! For officials and the sports business, it's a pichalka ... But for some reason I don’t feel sorry for these!

      where else to put "pluses" ...? how right you are! hi
  6. pru-pavel
    pru-pavel 29 November 2019 06: 19
    -5
    After the adoption of Christianity by the Roman Empire and its collapse. The Olympic Games were banned for a long time as sheer devilry. So Russia is returning to the origins of the Christian faith.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 29 November 2019 06: 36
      +1
      Quote: pru-pavel
      So Russia is returning to the origins of the Christian faith.

      "origins" are doubtful ... it may be better to return to His Faith.
      1. pru-pavel
        pru-pavel 29 November 2019 07: 00
        -1
        Do you propose to reconstruct and artificially revive Old Slavic paganism with Perun, Dazhdbogs, Veles?
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 29 November 2019 07: 06
          0
          and what is worse than the Jewish gods?
          1. pru-pavel
            pru-pavel 29 November 2019 07: 12
            -3
            Well, at least that. That it's all stillborn. In general, this is one of the forms of the ancient Indo-European religion. She died everywhere under the influence of Christianity and Islam. The only place where she could survive was India in the form of Hinduism. It’s easier then to switch to Hinduism. This is at least not a stillborn, but a living religion. The same descendant of the Indo-European faith as Slavic paganism, German-Scandinavian paganism, Celtic religion, ancient Roman and ancient Greek religions. The only example I know of the rebirth is Israel and Hebrew. But this became possible only because Judaism itself was a living religion. And here everything is hopeless enough. In addition, there is very little information about the Slavic religion. Because there was no written language. And almost all information about the ancient Russian religion comes from the times after the Christianization of Russia. Described it all for the most part those who were no longer an adherent of this religion.
            1. Aerodrome
              Aerodrome 29 November 2019 07: 14
              +1
              Quote: pru-pavel
              The only place where she could survive was India in the form of Hinduism.

              well, yes ... "the Hindus invented a good religion ..." VS Vysotsky. but in general, it is better to believe in yourself, it is more useful.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 29 November 2019 07: 38
                +5
                Quote: Aerodrome
                but in general, it’s better to believe in yourself, it’s more useful.
                We must not believe in ourselves, we must believe in the party! The party thinks for us how to make our life better. lol
                1. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan 29 November 2019 08: 31
                  +3
                  Here you are joking, and many do not understand jokes.
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 29 November 2019 07: 55
          +1
          Quote: pru-pavel
          Old Slavic paganism with Perun, Dazhdbogs, Veles?

          and also with Lada, the goddess of happiness, Avos the god of luck ....
      2. Flooding
        Flooding 29 November 2019 07: 14
        -2
        Quote: Aerodrome
        "origins" are doubtful ... it may be better to return to His Faith.

        The citizen obviously wrote a provocative post.
        You, as a consistent adherent of neopaganism, could not resist.
        How predictable.
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 29 November 2019 07: 40
          +4
          Quote: Flood
          Quote: Aerodrome
          "origins" are doubtful ... it may be better to return to His Faith.

          The citizen obviously wrote a provocative post.
          You, as a consistent adherent of neopaganism, could not resist.
          How predictable.

          no, no ... I am unchrist, an atheist damned and burn me in hell ... yes
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 29 November 2019 08: 08
            -1
            Quote: Aerodrome
            I am unchrist, damned atheist and burn me in hell.

            No hysteria, please.
            Nobody prophesies hellish torment for you.
            But you don’t need to go around corns.
    2. Slavutich
      Slavutich 29 November 2019 07: 12
      +3
      legally it was devilry, but the fighters were not diminished in the war laughing
      In those Olympics, not gladiators took part, but warriors,
  7. mark1
    mark1 29 November 2019 06: 27
    +8
    We will respect ourselves someday !? They already have us in any position at any whim, but it seems that we can only get up, brush ourselves off and rub ourselves again among these gentlemen!
    Why to save someone else’s business the rest of the country must slurp buckets of shit!
    1. Rwmos
      Rwmos 29 November 2019 06: 42
      +7
      So the question is that we don't have a Minister of Sports for hell knows how much - these all sorts of Mudkas and Fursenkos are budget sawers, and Kolobok is generally a clown, that's all that Semyonovich can skate with in a cheap TV show! There are a lot of different options. Well, look - there is a huge mountain of claims to UEFA from almost all European football leagues, for example, about the fact that their declared "financial fair play" only enriched already rich clubs - and finally ruined the poor leagues. Holland, Belgium, Switzerland - I'm not talking about different Serbia - bums in fact. There is a Premier League, Germany, plus a couple of clubs like Monaco, PSG and Real Madrid - they knock off the rest of the penny and every year they sell half of the team, yeah, to the Premier League! And everyone is not happy. And rich clubs are not happy either - for a long time there has been a conversation to get them out of their championships and stir up their super league ...
      Well, you have to think that if everyone is dissatisfied with UEFA, then it’s necessary to have some fuss! But not with the Kolobok Minister!
    2. Sentinel-vs
      Sentinel-vs 29 November 2019 06: 47
      +5
      Because the business of respected people is sacred!
      And in our country it concerns not only sports, but everything!
  8. Dimy4
    Dimy4 29 November 2019 06: 31
    +6
    The IOC has given up, there is only one hope for UNESKI, we need to send this IOC to hell and stop any financial support for these very guardians of the purity of sports. They will immediately speak differently. And our government always communicates with some kind of reverent whining with these "branches of the State Department". Is this why China is not touched? Because he will immediately send such guardians!
  9. Van 16
    Van 16 29 November 2019 06: 31
    +10
    These are our leaders. And you didn’t have to go to the last Olympics, but now everything can be very gloomy. Do you represent the Russian national football team under the white flag? Chur me ...
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 29 November 2019 06: 56
      +10
      It’s scary not only that the athletes will be (if they are?) In ersatz form, but that not one bureaucratic mug has answered for what she did! For? One * team *, more likely even a gang.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 29 November 2019 08: 35
        +5
        Officials are "theirs" for the main thing, and "theirs" he himself said that he would not quit. But when will the people be his own for him?
  10. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 29 November 2019 06: 34
    +1
    sport of high achievements helps brewing companies and manufacturers of chips, popcorn and in general to mankind it does not carry anything special the exoskeleton will win
  11. Andrey Chistyakov
    Andrey Chistyakov 29 November 2019 06: 39
    +6
    There was no need to go to South Korea. More confirmation of this now. Until WADA gets it on the nose, everything is useless. Here, again, is the collapse of the USSR. It still affects. 1980 The USA boycotted the Olympics in Moscow. 1984 USSR responded in kind by not going to Los Angeles. And survived nothing like that. And now "we are afraid, we are afraid".
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 November 2019 06: 42
    +5
    But what was to be expected if they once appeared under a neutral flag, silently swallowing, miserably excusing themselves, in the majority of unreasonable accusations of corrupt officials of WADA and the IOC? If you are not immediately given the tough and yet justified, the attacker has a desire to repeat and eventually drive him under the bench. The past punctures of officials from sports apparently did not teach anything and Western dances on Russian athletes (read Russia) continue.
  13. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 29 November 2019 06: 43
    +7
    Oh, if only in sports officials were unsinkable. One Mutko is worth it.
  14. Phil77
    Phil77 29 November 2019 06: 45
    +6
    [quote] [/ quote] We can do it? Who are we? Mutko? Zhukov and company? They have already done. There are no individuals who are able to do something, I mean up there. They are not creators, they are speakers. They got it, for CSKA the Bulgarians are already a barrier! Distressed, terribly and terribly distressed by the latest sports news !!!!!
    1. Andrey Chistyakov
      Andrey Chistyakov 29 November 2019 06: 55
      0
      Quote: Phil77
      Can we do? Who are we? Mutko? Zhukov and company? They have already done. There are no personalities who can do something, I mean up there. They are not creators, they are speakers. We played, for CSKA there are already Bulgarians barrier! Sorry, scary and terribly upset by the latest sports news !!!!!

      In my opinion, S. Ordzhonikidse belongs to. I will paraphrase. Each CSKA has the name and surname of defeat. In this situation E. Giner. It's high time to leave. As recently as "left" from "Loko" a certain Smorodskaya.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 29 November 2019 07: 01
        +1
        Andrei! You know everything is more complicated with club sports, because now they are conditionally ours are a darkness of legionaries. But the systematic approach to raising their guys is rather weak, perhaps for now! I strongly disagree with you about Giner.
        1. Andrey Chistyakov
          Andrey Chistyakov 29 November 2019 07: 03
          0
          Quote: Phil77
          Andrei! You know everything is more complicated with club sports, because now they are conditionally ours are a darkness of legionaries. But the systematic approach to raising their guys is rather weak, perhaps for now! I strongly disagree with you about Giner.

          Greetings. I will not argue. About youth, not everything is so hopeless. It seems that the shift has grown. The main thing is not to burn out ahead of time.
        2. Rwmos
          Rwmos 29 November 2019 07: 25
          +1
          And it’s in vain that you disagree. As you can see, I'm a sparta, but I'll tell you the following about Giner. Do you remember how Lenka-donut got to FC? What was famous at that time? And only one thing - the fact that LETS the match to Terek. Then he took a long time to excuse himself for the camera, for example why Koller did not go to Grozny - he voiced five different options until Koller stated in plain text - a quote - "If I know that the match is negotiable, I just won't go out on the field." Now tell me. why the hell did Pelmen become your head coaches - they started using obscenities right away, and YOURS were sick, you know where the bike about Tolstoy came from in a gay club on Kitay-Gorod? CSKA offportal ... Pelmen for you. at the suggestion of Giner, he slammed the whole team - he slammed so many youngsters for you! To play, Chernov and Karavaev are sitting on the bench with Vasin, but when the score is 2-0, playing at home, Pelmen releases a young talent - Lesha Berezutsky. Experience, go get typed. It turns out the unforgettable Vityna over and over again - and Bazelyuk rotted on the bench - he played once for 90 minutes with Fat, by the way he scored a goal. And again he sat down deafly on the bench so that the unforgettable Vitinya could
        3. Sergey1987
          Sergey1987 30 November 2019 10: 32
          0
          Quote: Phil77
          they are now conditionally ours, a darkness of legionnaires.

          What do you have in mind? The darkness of the legionnaires in the championship?
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 29 November 2019 07: 05
        +1
        I would like to see how the owner of PFC CSKA will leave the club)))))))
        1. Andrey Chistyakov
          Andrey Chistyakov 29 November 2019 07: 07
          +1
          Quote: carstorm 11
          I would like to see how the owner of PFC CSKA will leave the club)))))))

          If you don’t know, I’ll tell you. Before E. Giner, the owners of the club CSKA were immigrants from Chechnya.
          And where are they?
          1. Rwmos
            Rwmos 29 November 2019 07: 36
            0
            And then they were the owners - the Lipetsk organized criminal group ... They also sit, that's why Giner now has no money wink
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 29 November 2019 08: 23
              +3
              Ilya, good morning to you! Well, it’s clear that we have different club preferences laughing , this is clear. Giner ... For the club, he did a lot. Slutsky ... Here I agree with you! He squeezed everything out of Gazzayev’s legacy, besides, obviously cowardly tactics and fear of letting young people out onto the field. Vitigno. ..Well, the obvious mistake of selection, although I remember with you, the composition was like that. Remember the always-offended Brazilian with tearful bewilderment on his face? Now the team has clearly a complex of the second year, tolerant with optimism. With respect to the discussion topic, the bureaucrats are to blame, they and only they!
              1. Rwmos
                Rwmos 29 November 2019 08: 33
                0
                That's just it that Giner did a lot ... Well, you must admit - he is not blind and not stupid. so as not to see how Slutsky purposefully ruins the young club - and this also ruins the club! Karavaev no place on the flank, because there Fernandez staked out a place? Move Karavaev forward - there will be a double attacking flank! Do you have only Ignashevich and Berezutsky playing in the CZ? And doperit that they are both old-timers and they will soon be in circulation - and the team will not have a single CD with experience - can Giner taste this? So he clapped his ears? Are there no defenders in the team anymore, or are they all worthless? Yours Chernov, having gone on lease. playing for the Yenisei - he sent you from the goblet with a kick, and outplayed both direct competitors in the air for a place at the base - he was there laughing at the whole match against Vasya and Sirozha as he wanted, and scoring a goal from Ignash and beating Berezovoy in the air - maybe a chance should he have been given at the core? And Giner did not understand this ?! Yes, not funny!
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 29 November 2019 12: 57
                  +2
                  Arguments are accepted, but I note that Berezutsky and Ignashevich were for a long time in defense and the team. And who gave the team * Spartak *?
                  1. Rwmos
                    Rwmos 29 November 2019 22: 49
                    0
                    Whose Jikia? Where did Zobnin get to the national team? Not from Dynamo. About the earlier and there is nothing to say - Romantsevsky Spartak was the entire Russian team. Makeev, Scab. Kudryashov - all Spartak flanks ...
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 30 November 2019 08: 14
                      0
                      Good morning! Dzhikia, Zobnin appeared in the national team after the departure of Ignashevich, Berezutsky. Romantsevsky * Spartak *? Yes, he was strong! But remember the history and the time when it was being built. The polostava came from / from Ukraine. In post-Soviet Russia, it simply did not have real competitors Something like that. For now, I'm sorry, I'm at work now.
                      1. Rwmos
                        Rwmos 30 November 2019 08: 22
                        0
                        And you are kind, but even so, there is such a fact that since the times of the Soviet Union it is not typical for you to educate your own people - you have always eaten up on the call, so few people like Tikhonov would prefer to trample boots in the escort troops in the zone, and not in Moscow to "serve" in FC ... Did you remember the Ukrainians in Spartak? Then the Berezutskys and Ignash are not yours at all. CSKA gave its pupils to the national team ... One finger - Akinfiev. And then - some torpedons and Zhirkov from Spartak Tambov.
                      2. Phil77
                        Phil77 30 November 2019 08: 28
                        +1
                        Ha! Ha! Ha! Okay-fighting draw! And then there was an eternal inter-cheer argument. laughing hi good Good luck!
                      3. Rwmos
                        Rwmos 30 November 2019 08: 41
                        0
                        Draw, draw. "Whose" you have only with the arrival of the Belarusian began - and now you have to erect a monument to him - he accepted the broken-down command - and see how it looks. Well, okay, not Barcelona, ​​but according to the mind he accepted it - you have to sit in the LFL without a roster. But no - the Potter immediately turned you 180 degrees - and the young are now dragging, and they are dragging nichrome!
                        I’m just talking about Giner and Slutsky, you probably don’t remember how in the 90s - in ALL clubs there was a failure with the roster from the Russian Federation. Heavy legacy of the 2008s. Look here - Karpin was twisting himself as best he could - rookies like Parshivlyuk went to the captains, and Makeev played throughout the clearing, except that he was not standing at the gate. And you? XNUMX - Giner's phrase - "The limit is not important for us - CSKA is a rich club, it will just buy the best Russian players - and that's it!" (C)
                        And already fucked up - it's the same to call - to ruin the club. Your pupil, whom you sharpen from your kindergarten for your club, is the development of the club, but to buy ... Zenit won Novoseltseva - and Novoseltsev quit playing - he had a good life. And at the time of purchase, Novoseltse was the best scorer of the Chechen Republic - TsZ paid all the forwards of the Chechen Republic !!!
                      4. Sergey1987
                        Sergey1987 30 November 2019 10: 32
                        0
                        Quote: RWMos
                        The team gave its pupils to CSKA ... One finger - Akinfiev.

                        Why do you think the Berezutsky, Ignashevich, Dzagoev CSKA did not give the team?
                      5. Rwmos
                        Rwmos 30 November 2019 10: 43
                        0
                        Berezutsky and Igogoshych - Torpedo, Zbagoyev - KS)))
                      6. Sergey1987
                        Sergey1987 30 November 2019 11: 11
                        0
                        Quote: RWMos
                        Berezutsky and Igogoshych - Torpedo, Zbagoyev - KS)))

                        The point is not where the soccer player began to train, but the point is where he was formed as a strong soccer player. Ronaldo began to play on his island of Madeira, but he was not a great player there, and not even in Sporting.
                      7. Rwmos
                        Rwmos 30 November 2019 11: 14
                        0
                        So that's the point. Birch completely played in Torpedo again, Igogoshich after Torpedo also played in Loko, and he came to you as a footballer, instead of the goalkeeper who steers your defense - Akinfey is your vaunted one-half goalkeeper, defended Ignash, and at the exits Akinfey was the bottom of his whole life. Ignashevich left - Akinfey merged into the mud
                      8. Sergey1987
                        Sergey1987 30 November 2019 11: 37
                        0
                        Quote: RWMos
                        Birch trees completely played in Torpedo yet

                        They started in Torpedo, but what was Torpedo then. Not even average. It’s real, as good players, they became in CSKA with whom they won the UEFA Cup.
                        Quote: RWMos
                        Igogoshich after the Torpedo also in Loko

                        Ignashevich really formed and began to play in Lokomotiv, but like the Berezutsky of a serious level and the main in the team they became the game for CSKA.
                        In your opinion, a player can be considered a pupil of Spartak, if he only plays for the club from Spartak’s juniors? Maybe he should only be a Muscovite?)
                        Quote: RWMos
                        instead of the goalkeeper steering your defense - Akinfey your vaunted - half of the goalkeeper, Ignash taxied the defense, and at the exits the Akinfey bottom all his life. Ignashevich left - Akinfey merged into the mud

                        I don’t understand this at all. Do you seriously believe that the goalkeeper or any of the defenders direct the defense? And who of the attackers or midfielders is the whole attack? How do you imagine this? Ignashevich shouted to Fernandez to run, take the ball from the opponent, and shouted to Berezutsky to make a passive offside?
                      9. Rwmos
                        Rwmos 30 November 2019 11: 59
                        0
                        Bhe ... For the dashboard - you made fun of me, it was Loko’s fifth wheel, the dash of CSKA gave the torpedo even merged into a fart on the RF Cup))) This is not for you. There were so many players in Torpedo that they not only raised your CSKA, but also Zina, or tell you where Zyryanov, for example, came from?
                        About the fact that the goalkeeper does not steer the defense - that's all, drain the water, this is a joke at the level of Petrosyan. Perhaps, apart from Akinfiev, there is no such thing anymore. For the rest, they are yelling. And for off, and for the fact that you are "clean" or you have an opponent hanging on your leg. And for the fact that the goalkeeper goes to the ball - the defenders often don't see this, because you can't stand with your muzzle towards the goal when giving a corner, and if the keeper went to the exit - you can't see him, and since no one said - ditch him like Perkhuna - easy
  15. DAC scratch
    DAC scratch 29 November 2019 07: 00
    -1
    the situation is even worse than in 2016
  16. nikvic46
    nikvic46 29 November 2019 07: 20
    +2
    Entering professional sports, we should have known that fierce competition awaits us. This world is full of deception, lies and betrayal.
  17. Born
    Born 29 November 2019 07: 28
    +2
    Enough of all these "supposedly" hints that the whole world is spreading rot around us. Well, obviously, they are smeared, they are twisting out of their last strength. You really have to be a very stubborn patriot to believe this. The bureaucrats were instructed to ensure a decent performance of our team, they provided. As they could, foreign athletes were invited, the system was developed for sample swapping. And no one confesses, because then the officials must be judged. And they will twist to the last. And evidence can only be collected in one way - if an independent investigation is carried out inside the country, which will never happen for obvious reasons. Therefore, such articles will constantly appear and warm the souls of patriots.
    1. astronom1973n
      astronom1973n 29 November 2019 07: 43
      +3
      Quote: Born
      As they could - they invited foreign athletes, they developed a system for replacing samples.

      That's just the point, there is no system, or rather, the mind wasn’t enough to fake! Because the pests alone, not aimed at victory and a successful outcome in the country.
  18. Amateur
    Amateur 29 November 2019 07: 34
    +3
    Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
    Zhukov has nothing to do with the Olympics now.

    Zhukov paid an official fine, thereby admitting that there was doping. Today, according to euronews, they showed M. Zakharov from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, who said that everyone uses doping, but only Russia is checked and punished for him.
    Involuntarily, I recall the classic non-commissioned officer widow who carved herself.
  19. dobrik10
    dobrik10 29 November 2019 07: 37
    -1
    Do not be afraid, break through!
  20. DAC scratch
    DAC scratch 29 November 2019 07: 37
    -2
    "Actually, accusations of forgery of the officially obtained database of the Moscow Anti-Doping Laboratory are based on precisely that" the author did not read McLaren's report
  21. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 29 November 2019 07: 40
    +3
    Professional sports must be privatized to individuals! And the state, the freed up funds (oh, and there are a lot), should be directed to the development of mass physical education and the improvement of the population, support of children's sports clubs. There will be more benefits for society. The bureaucrats of mediocre sports committees will be dispersed. The professional athlete is not paid for by the state. must perform in a white, impersonal uniform. And their groans that they have put all their lives, about nothing. If you trained for the state account, then work off the sovereign's money. Generally ashamed. The whole world is on doping (which you wanted without it in any way), and only our country "burned". In general, neither steal nor watch.
  22. nikvic46
    nikvic46 29 November 2019 07: 48
    +3
    I’m sure, if we were to go in for amateur sports, many countries would support us. But this will never happen. There are too many people who receive space profits.
  23. Potato
    Potato 29 November 2019 07: 54
    +2
    The point is that the WADA compliance committee recommended that Russia be removed from sporting events for four years. The reason for this recommendation was the alleged corrections in the database of the Moscow Anti-Doping Laboratory. And since there were corrections, it means that they hid something. And since they hid, then they violated


    Not supposedly, but it was so. This was stated by the head of RUSADA Yuri Ganus at a conference in the United States:
    https://yandex.ru/news/story/Glava_RUSADA_priznal_podmenu_dannykh_moskovskoj_laboratorii--27cb7fddd3cf53043de78b592e46705a?lr=213&lang=ru&stid=NsWnZmkafDV_5MFqXMl6&persistent_id=77102145&rubric=personal_feed
  24. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 29 November 2019 08: 20
    +7
    Churchill was right: "Whoever hopes to avoid war with the help of shame gets both war and shame."
  25. Skarpzd
    Skarpzd 29 November 2019 08: 23
    +4
    in general - do not give a damn. high performance sport is no longer a sport. just a business. I personally do not care about sportsmen’s businessmen after the shame of the last Olympics. What do I care about people flying neutral flags?
  26. rocket757
    rocket757 29 November 2019 08: 27
    -2
    The IOC threw a straw to Russia. Will they be able to swim?

    EVERYTHING IS NEW!
    Nothing unexpected ... we will look and hold fists for our athletes!
    Although, it would be more reliable, in time to cram everyone ... who should!
  27. Million
    Million 29 November 2019 08: 29
    +5
    They threw not a straw, but a stone, because domestic officials are no longer worth it
  28. BAI
    BAI 29 November 2019 08: 42
    0
    If resignation followed, which is an extraordinary event, it means that violations took place. And even our officials can’t recognize them. Putin’s personal assignment failed miserably - instead of restoring athletics to their full rights, we are on the verge of its complete exclusion from world sports. And I’m starting to understand athletes who, because of the criminal stupidity of officials and several dib doping experts, do not want to cross out their sports career, or rather, life. Why should they answer with all their future fate, for someone's stupidity?
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 29 November 2019 13: 51
      +4
      But are there any instructions from Putin who did not fail and who bore more responsibility than the resignation?
  29. sergo1914
    sergo1914 29 November 2019 08: 44
    +12
    Do not look for a conspiracy where it does not exist. They flew completely stupidly on frauds. In fact, confirming the existence of a state doping support program. Due to the stupidity of bureaucrats and the squinting technical staff pure athletes will suffer. But to blame, as always, the State Department and Ukraine.
    1. garrett
      garrett 29 November 2019 09: 31
      +3
      Do not look for a conspiracy where it is not

      it’s a pity that I can put only one plus)))
  30. Alex66
    Alex66 29 November 2019 08: 55
    +3
    When nuclear weapons do not allow us to measure strength on the battlefield, a sports arena comes to the rescue, to which we go out under a white flag, just think about it, our squad with a white flag, another time we will be obliged to perform in a striped robe with numbers instead of names.
  31. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 29 November 2019 09: 18
    +6
    Yes, world competitions and forums have long been turned into a farce and a celebration of money. If I had power, I would completely forbid them and all the money in mass and children's sports. On this loot can be built on the pool in each school.
  32. garrett
    garrett 29 November 2019 09: 24
    +4
    In general, the logic is clear and fairly straightforward. And it probably could have been accepted if not for some of the nuances ...

    Dear Victor Kuzovkov, have you tried to smoke the ESSENCE of WADA claims? Everything that you have written probably takes place, but today's claims are different. Read, for example, an interview three days ago with the head of RusADA in a sports express and you will no longer have questions why "Russian people are offended"
    1. smaug78
      smaug78 29 November 2019 14: 41
      +4
      Kuzovkov is an advocate. The truth like him is of last interest ...
  33. aleks.29ru
    aleks.29ru 29 November 2019 09: 28
    +3
    White flag again? Is Russian sport hanging on a "straw"? And there are no guilty ones, as usual.
  34. trophy
    trophy 29 November 2019 09: 35
    +6
    If they didn’t give a wire, there would be nothing. And the fact that the bureaucrats (and not only from sports) at the end was cut off from the feeling of their own impunity is a fact. Look, not mentioned in haste, eerily after the last scandal where? On the bunks? In a shameful retirement at the dacha, he grows tomatoes at a pension of 9000 rubles No, he Levchenko with an important look dryuchit, creates the appearance of sovereign care for the lackeys. It's disgusting.
  35. Maks1995
    Maks1995 29 November 2019 09: 59
    +5
    The key comes out ?? -

    "sanctions against Russian sports officials, a ban on their appearance at international sports competitions as part of any delegations."

    Did the bureaucrats get everyone?

    Nothing, the GDP will reward them in compensation ...
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 29 November 2019 13: 53
      0
      But smartly call officials sick
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  37. 1536
    1536 29 November 2019 12: 19
    +5
    I have a double feeling about the decision of the Anti-Doping Agency and the IOC. And that's why. When she is outstanding, there is no dispute, the athlete says that she will never return to her native Russian city, because it’s bad there, she doesn’t like living there, but she doesn’t even think about doing something to improve this life when there’s another athlete trains abroad, with a foreign coach, but for state money, when young guys-athletes in Russia for some reason, for no reason, die right at matches or in gyms, when police reports are full of the adventures of certain "sports celebrities" brawlers ", it seems that we do not need such a sport in principle. And to subsidize it, present it with the state flag, awards, etc. there is nothing. In Russia, there are no world-class manufacturers of sports goods, and all professional sports are built precisely on the use and advertising of these companies and their products. Therefore, from this point of view, the sport of outstanding achievements is no longer Russian.
    On the other hand, it’s a shame for the power, of course. What are we not able to do rifles for biathlon, or any skis with sleds and dumbbells, not to mention sports nutrition, etc.?
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 29 November 2019 12: 53
      +2
      Quote: 1536
      There are no world-class manufacturers of sporting goods in Russia

      You know, in the USSR, too, the pros didn’t use domestic equipment. The clubs were CCM, JOFA, TITAN, MONTREAL, etc. Konyochki and defense were not produced by EFSI either. But for the little ones, they did it! I played it myself and * evsey *, and a helmet was * Salvo *.
      1. 1536
        1536 29 November 2019 13: 47
        +1
        And what's so good about that? So we’ve come ...
        As for rifles, the main thing in them is the barrels. From several dozen blanks, for example, at Italian or German factories, only one or two high-quality barrels are obtained, which can be used for sniper sports shooting. And such rifles go, naturally, to Italian or German athletes. That which is worse comes true for third countries. Perhaps this is the reason for such disappointing results in biathlon. But this is an assumption ... As for the technology for the production of sports weapons, in Soviet times biathlon was a mass sport in the USSR, and Soviet weapons were used to train athletes. Perhaps the outstanding masters got foreign samples, for example, in clay pigeon shooting, the Perazzi firm with its shotguns dominated even now. But this was an exception to the rule, when one or two high-quality samples were actually purchased and, possibly, for some considerable deductions for advertising to the same USSR Sports Committee. (Again, this is an assumption.) Although, I believe that this was the wrong decision. With the skillful organization of the industry, domestic rifles and shotguns of the Izhevsk and Tula factories could today successfully compete in international competitions. This also applies to sticks, and by the way to washers. But that doesn't happen. So who, in this case, do the athletes represent, if they devote their victories to their families and friends, judging by interviews from sports channels?
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 29 November 2019 17: 56
          +3
          And such rifles go, naturally, to Italian or German athletes. What is worse comes true to third countries.
          Do not replicate nonsense. 97% of biathletes around the world use German "Anschutz 1827 Fortner" rifles. Including Italians, the same Dorothea Wierer. The Germans got this market in a bitter struggle with "Izhmash", which in Soviet times produced various models of Bi rifles for biathlon. The weapons were world-class, but with the collapse of the USSR, Izhmash lost its position.
          Therefore, Anschutz will never go for such a cheap trick that you described.
          1. Liam
            Liam 29 November 2019 21: 07
            +1
            Quote: Undecim
            Including Italians, the same Dorothea Wierer

            And the cartridges are used by Fiocchi
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 29 November 2019 21: 28
              +2
              Not a fact. More than 90% of biathletes use the Lapua® .22 LR Center-X, and .22 LR Polar Biathlon.
              1. Liam
                Liam 29 November 2019 21: 38
                +1
                For Wierer fact). Fiokki is her personal sponsor and team sponsor. And use their cartridges
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim 29 November 2019 21: 42
                  +1
                  Honestly, I do not follow such subtleties. Actually, Fiocchi Munizioni is a serious Italian company, again, so everything is logical.
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 29 November 2019 21: 51
                    +1
                    I'm a bit of a biathlon fan) .And on rifles you are 100% right
                    1. Undecim
                      Undecim 29 November 2019 22: 06
                      +2
                      I'm a little biathlon fan
                      I am a little fan of weapons.
                    2. ℳy ℒiƒℯ
                      ℳy ℒiƒℯ 29 November 2019 22: 44
                      0
                      I'm a bit of a biathlon fan)

                      Tomorrow open the season)
                      1. Liam
                        Liam 29 November 2019 23: 04
                        -1
                        Forza azzuri)
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 29 November 2019 19: 30
          +1
          As for the golf clubs, the closest we came to, well, let's say, almost a good level, was at the * EFSI * factory, somewhere in the late 70s. Skates ... We didn't have good shoes and blades. Shape ... Just look old photos of our athletes, what they are wearing, solid "Adidas". Helmets. Well, here are the options - * Jofa *, * CCM *. Alas, this is all, I will note in prosperous 60,70,80 years. All this certainly applies to athletes class / pro /, although there were options in the factory teams, but that's another story. Best regards, me.
  38. faterdom
    faterdom 29 November 2019 14: 25
    0
    With the transition of Big Sports to the category of Big Show, there is always a temptation to use this kind of "mastery of minds and feelings" in someone's interests.
    We are now simply lowered by the hands of WADamers and all sorts of Thomas Bachs there. For what? Clearly, in the general line of pumping hostility.
    In Ukraine - fans led by caring hands - fans became national battalion-ATOShniki.
    The reign of the greatest emperor of Byzantium, Justinian, with his wife Theodora began with a devastating revolt of the townspeople "Nika!" due to the conflict between the parties of the fans - "blue" and "green". True, Justinian turned out to be not Gorbachev, and not even "my partners deceived me." The squads of Normans and Slavs-mercenaries paid from his treasury brutally and effectively suppressed the revolt in the shortest possible time, and the era of the greatest flourishing of the empire began.
  39. smaug78
    smaug78 29 November 2019 14: 39
    +2
    It’s certainly not the athletes who were involved in the substitution of samples - many were punished anyway, disciplinary cases were opened and transferred to the International Federations for some new surnames from the database.

    Yes, Russian athletes are still carefully checked for doping, sometimes they are caught and punished, but WADA's global claims are no longer for them.

    The main question: where and why did the positive doping tests of some athletes disappear from the database? - It is addressed to sports leaders of the country. This is their area of ​​responsibility. And they, unlike their smiling predecessor Vitaly Mutko, have already recognized the situation as complicated - both the Minister of Sports Pavel Kolobkov and the President of the ROC Stanislav Pozdnyakov. Neither one nor the other can explain the data substitution in the electronic database - they simply did not have access to it. All hard drives from the Moscow Anti-Doping Laboratory were at the disposal of the Investigative Committee, which seized them from the Moscow Anti-Doping Laboratory in 2017, as part of a criminal case against Rodchenkov.

    “We spent a lot of diplomatic efforts on regaining the trust of the international sports community. But now again we run the risk of facing certain sanctions for reasons that we don’t have a relationship with, ”perhaps the most transparent hint from the head of the ROC Pozdnyakov. WADA asks to explain the changes made in the database after 2017. Reminder - during this period, the Moscow laboratory was under the control of the Investigative Committee, was sealed, and evidence and material evidence were collected.

    And investigators need to try to explain how hackers, for example, from the USA, got to the hard drives they had seized.
  40. Starper-xnumx
    Starper-xnumx 29 November 2019 17: 57
    0
    Someone guys are surprised by this kick already ..?
    Remember we washed at the last Olympics ..? This check was, this time Russia is not allowed at all and our athletes are competing ..
    The goal here is one, so that they change the citizenship of our athletes, etc.
    Remember, during the times of the USSR, our Olipiad was boycotted, and we exchanged blows, so to speak, and this all ended quietly and peacefully ..
    And now it is already sabotage and sabotage in "our Olympic Committee" ..
    Again, Russia was framed and, moreover, in all directions .. you need to hold on to men and drive everyone to a rotten broom, but just do not make excuses. And in any case .... Sports now, this is commerce and politics negative
    Sport should be like that. honest and without politics, etc.

    Baykot needs to be announced and now .. and let them wash
    And to give up all your financial efforts in that sense for the development of children's sports and the identification of the best and escorting d ... Here it was in the USSR and by the way ..
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 29 November 2019 18: 36
      +2
      Quote: Starper-777
      Again, Russia was framed and, moreover, in all directions ..

      Well, be logical in your reasoning! Who set it up? Is such a figure like Mutko familiar? And you have never seen the football refereeing of our "guys in black"? We didn’t ask ourselves why they were so * beautiful, sporty and wonderful * Are they invited to judge international top-class matches? Is hockey, athletics and other sports also great? Yes, our bureaucrats (not only sports ones) don't need to be substituted! They have already beguiled the shores from their impunity. Sorry, it's boiling!
  41. seacap
    seacap 29 November 2019 21: 22
    +1
    Any wretched and insignificant country (in the Olympic sense) would have mutilated this office in the courts, the head of this misunderstanding of WADA with his accomplices, such as laboratory assistants and experts, would already be on the porch with an outstretched hand. But only not in our case, so that they would not say, no matter what meanness the overseas "partners" did, and in all spheres of life, our "proud Slavs" who have long forgotten about the honor and pride of a people who have never been defeated by anyone, are now a laughing stock all over the world they just smear snot on whipped cheeks, and they also pay money for it, from our pocket, by the way. With their cowardice, greed and dependence, unprofessionalism, these bureaucrats from sports have created a situation when some kind of laboratory, i.e. a technical unit, can destroy the sport and the Olympic movement of the whole country, and global sports, determining who to perform, what to wear and who to win, is sheer nonsense, but who needs it at all, As our so-called. athletes do not care about the country and what flag to perform under what flag they should be noticed, sign a contract and "shit" overseas (with the exception of very few), and the people do not care about this mess, mired in endless scandals and scams, called the Olympic Movement , where everything has long been commercialized and criminalized and plays at one gate where the loot, for one cheat. How one should love loot, there is nothing from sports for a long time, so that despite the fact that you are poured with shit, kicked and spit, humiliated on the side-altar, cling to the armchair and crawl there on your knees, if only they would give you some more to sit at the trough, at least This spectacle does not cause disgrace, except for disgust, all this does not cause other feelings, how can one not love and despise one's country and one's people, exchanging all the most sacred for a boblo and a heated chair. In 30 years, they could have already created something alternative or through the courts and administrative resources to bring everything to a normal and adequate state. It's a pity for real athletes, but unfortunately they are already few, they are paying for the betrayal and unprofessionalism of bureaucrats from sports.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 29 November 2019 21: 58
      0
      All is well; what does it mean that they have never been defeated?
  42. Photon
    Photon 30 November 2019 02: 05
    +1
    Quote: Overlock
    Ganus noted that only persons close to the Russian authorities could have the opportunity to change the data of the Moscow laboratory. laughing

    What can I say? All said

    Not all is said. For a person who understands what a DBMS (database management system) is, everything that happens, including the recognition of Ganus, about changing the database, seems like crazy nonsense.
  43. LeonidL
    LeonidL 30 November 2019 02: 55
    +2
    1. Refuse on any "neutral" conditions from shameful participation without a flag and anthem in all international competitions, including the Olympic Games. By creating their own parallel structures for each of the listed events with multiple prize payments even for participation.
    2. Conduct these parallel events in parallel on a day-to-day schedule, inviting all athletes to participate.
    3. Cancel all contributions and payments to the IOC and WADA, to all organizations supporting the illegal removal of Russian athletes.
    4. A ban on broadcasting any competitions that ignore Russian athletes flying the flag and anthem. Accordingly, a refusal to pay for the right to broadcast. Refusal to distribute on the territory of the Russian Federation any publication supporting discretionary measures against the Russian Federation.
    Something like this has already happened with the Olympics and the Goodwill Games. Having counted the losses from the boycott of the Russian Federation, I think the wise men from sports will quickly come to their senses. And the athletes attracted by good payment will tumble down to Russia. Even if not all, but a strong blow will be dealt. The main thing is not to unwind the snot in the hope of law and justice. it is in the past, now there is the right of the strong. Right is not the one who is right, but the one who could become right. so worth it becomes strong and right.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 30 November 2019 08: 08
      0
      I agree completely with points 1,3,4! The second point is a big question - no one will come to these competitions. Alas and ah.
    2. Good_Anonymous
      Good_Anonymous 30 November 2019 17: 09
      0
      Quote: LeonidL
      Refuse on any "neutral" conditions from shameful participation without a flag and anthem in all international competitions, including the Olympic Games. Having created their parallel structures for each of the listed activities


      "I will have my own amusement park, with blackjack and whores" (c) Robot Bender

      Quote: LeonidL
      with multiple prize payments even for participation.


      Where can I get the money from?
      1. LeonidL
        LeonidL 1 December 2019 02: 31
        -1
        If you want, there’s money, especially if you shock the corrupt officials, and they don’t need much - the infrastructure is already there - only for prizes, receptions and so on.
    3. LeonidL
      LeonidL 1 December 2019 02: 30
      -1
      The golden hook will flock, even if not all from the first line, but those who are firmly entrenched in three will come running, and this will hard hit the official competitions, their massiveness. What the Games of Goodwill actually demonstrated in the 80s
      1. Good_Anonymous
        Good_Anonymous 1 December 2019 12: 21
        0
        Quote: LeonidL
        On a golden hook flock


        The only question is whether it is worth it to spend money. It will cost like the Olympics, the effect is approximately zero.

        Quote: LeonidL
        demonstrated in the 80s "Games of Goodwill"


        If you remember, the Goodwill Games were organized with the participation of Ted Turner with the support of his television network. Now, figures of this level will not contact Russia.
  44. Kelwin
    Kelwin 1 December 2019 03: 42
    +1
    It would be wise to ban a vada with a filthy broom, to ban all its activities in the territory of the Russian Federation, including any subsidiary, from freezing accounts. A moku set a condition, or you stop this circus, or go all-in for a vada to a famous mother, along with contributions, income from broadcasts and advertising and other nishtyaki, to think for two weeks.
    Only it is unlikely to be the case when talking about big grandmothers the same muggy uncles in equally cheap cufflinks and they sell their mom and begin to indulge under their tail, if only they would not excommunicate from the feeder ...
  45. bar
    bar 5 December 2019 12: 39
    -1
    Once they caught hold of this abandoned "sorominka" in the hope that everything will resolve, and now they will throw it. Will not dissolve. They allowed themselves to be lowered once, and they will keep us lowered.
    Pay and repent ...
  46. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 10 December 2019 13: 30
    0
    Yes, put with the device on this Olympic movement .. Moreover, there is nothing Olympic left ... Stop payments .. In a year, as the "apiaries" will crawl .. The money saved to spend on children's sports ...