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The first drill-down deeply upgraded Tu-160M went to the test

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The first drill-down deeply upgraded Tu-160M went to the test

The first combat strategic bomber Tu-160M, which underwent a deep modernization, is fully assembled and submitted for testing. This was reported by a source in the military-industrial complex.


According to the source, the upgraded strategist was rolled out of the Kazan Aircraft Plant workshop and transferred to the flight test station, where the aircraft will pass the ground test phase before the start of the flight phase.

On November 28, the first deeply modernized strategic missile carrier bomber Tu-160M was transferred from production shops to the KAZ flight test station. S.P. Gorbunov for practicing the stage of factory ground and flight tests

- leads "Interfax" source words.

At the same time, he said that the Tu-160M was created as part of a program of deep modernization of the Tu-160 combat aircraft. The new version of the aircraft should significantly increase the overall efficiency of the aviation complex when used as intended.

The Ministry of Defense announced plans for deep modernization of all 16 combatant Russian strategic bombers Tu-160 "White Swan" to the level of Tu-160M.

Earlier it was reported that in addition to upgrading the Tu-160 combatant strategists, the production of these aircraft from scratch was resumed at the Kazan aircraft plant. The Ministry of Defense signed a contract with the company to build 10 new Tu-160M bombers, the first of them will be rolled out at the end of the 2020 year.
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  1. WILL
    WILL 28 November 2019 10: 25
    +28
    Well, fine! good Strategic Aviation - An Important Component of the Nuclear Triad! Good news!
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 28 November 2019 10: 32
      +7
      The first combat strategic bomber Tu-160M, which underwent a deep modernization, is fully assembled and submitted for testing. This was reported by a source in the military-industrial complex.

      "Birdie" is also beautiful - majestic, among other things!
      1. Spartanez300
        Spartanez300 28 November 2019 10: 47
        +23
        Tu-160M ​​is a deep modernization of the Soviet Tu-160 missile carrier. The engines were changed to more economical ones - with them the flight range of the White Swan increased by a thousand kilometers. The radio-electronic complex has been updated: on-board communication and navigation systems, on-board defense and electronic warfare are integrated into the overall one. information and control environment. Externally, the aircraft has not changed, but it has significantly expanded the arsenal of weapons used - including through the latest and most promising models.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 28 November 2019 11: 48
          0
          I’m not sure that the new engines will be put on modernized aircraft.
          It is logical that upon the exhaustion of the resource. And new ones will primarily go to devices of new construction.
          1. Sky strike fighter
            Sky strike fighter 28 November 2019 11: 56
            0
            Quote: Flood
            I’m not sure that the new engines will be put on modernized aircraft.
            It is logical that upon the exhaustion of the resource. And new ones will primarily go to devices of new construction.

            So this is the new Tu-160M ​​car (formerly in the designation Tu-160M2) of a new construction.
            “On November 28, the first deeply modernized strategic missile carrier bomber Tu-160M ​​was transferred from production facilities to the flight test station KAZ named after S.P. Gorbunov to test the stage of factory ground and flight tests, ”a source at RIA Novosti said.

            He added that after the completion of ground testing, the Tu-160M ​​will be transferred to the flight test phase.

            https://m.vz.ru/news/2019/11/28/1010769.html
            1. Ezekiel
              Ezekiel 28 November 2019 13: 04
              +3
              Quote: Sky Strike fighter
              So this is the new Tu-160M ​​car (formerly in the designation Tu-160M2) of a new construction.

              At the same time, he said that the Tu-160M ​​was created as part of a program of deep modernization of the Tu-160 combat aircraft.

              The article specifically says that this is a modernization of combat aircraft, and not a new machine.
            2. Timx
              Timx 28 November 2019 13: 36
              +2
              The first combat strategic bomber Tu-160M, which underwent a deep modernization, is fully assembled and submitted for testing.

              In my opinion, it’s quite understandable that the Tu-160 drill was modernized, the release of which ended about 15 years ago. On aircraft of new construction, the cooperation of supplier enterprises is just newly built.
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 28 November 2019 18: 18
                +5
                Quote: TimX
                The first combat strategic bomber Tu-160M, which underwent a deep modernization, is fully assembled and submitted for testing.

                In my opinion, it’s quite understandable that the Tu-160 drill was modernized, the release of which ended about 15 years ago. On aircraft of new construction, the cooperation of supplier enterprises is just newly built.


                The article is a lie.

                For many years, the KAZ had a fully prepared fuselage.
                He was collected.
                There is no modernization yet.
                1. Alex Nevs
                  Alex Nevs 29 November 2019 10: 17
                  0
                  So we still use the BASIC "2 + 2 = 4" and there is nothing to bead here
                2. 40821
                  40821 29 November 2019 21: 34
                  +2
                  I myself work in KAZ. The machine was modernized. This is not a new machine. Moreover, this plane was taken from Ukraine at the time. And that plane, which was assembled from Soviet groundwork and was shown to Putin in 2018, is a completely different plane. By the way, the last one. First a set of titanium beams is welded and transferred to aggregate production.
                  1. okko077
                    okko077 29 November 2019 23: 55
                    0
                    Eugene, in a small comment you have the most reliable information, thanks ...
              2. okko077
                okko077 28 November 2019 20: 23
                +2
                Let's clarify. There are two tasks. On the combatant Swans, the avionics are completely faulty and there is nothing to restore, these connections and factories died with the USSR ... Several pieces that fly are supported at the expense of the rest. No, most of them can take off and fly in PMU during the day, but they are not combat-ready ... For modernization, a new set of avionics has been developed, completely ours. This task has been solved. This complex was installed on the Tu-95 MSM and shoved into the Tu-22M3M. All three aircraft are tested, and at the same time, the main thing is that the "navel" is not torn ... But there are signs, you need to link everything with the avionics, which does not change ... Something can be missed, this is a technique ... The idea is good and missiles some and the degree of unification is enormous. There should be no problems with the Tu-160M, everything was done for it, with others it is more difficult ...
                The second task: to restore the production of the aircraft "in hardware" and prepare for the production of PAK DA. Revive technologies and organize production. If an order for 10 is signed, then this problem is also solved ... But new engines and all the systems that are associated with it? Will they be able to connect with the old one already standing, but reproduced anew? Or they will do both again. This is on a new one and here the task is more difficult, we will "take a look" ... It is a very difficult task .. In case of a flight, the costs are enormous wasted! There are risks and a lot of garters and pitfalls .. I'm personally not sure ... The opinion of a person with operating experience ... But it is necessary, otherwise the PAK YES will not start .. Or maybe it was not necessary? There were other options ...
                1. lukewarm
                  lukewarm 29 November 2019 15: 49
                  0
                  Competently described smile I am interested in your opinion about PAK YES. It is clear that the secrecy. In print, everything is "forks on the water" and is contradictory.
                  Quote: okko077
                  Or maybe it wasn’t necessary?

                  Are you talking about PAK YES? If what is written about him is true, then the copying of the Americans is obtained with a delay of N tens of years. At least on the "flying wing" glider. And in general, how they are going to apply it, what tasks.
                  1. okko077
                    okko077 29 November 2019 23: 52
                    0
                    PACK YES we are forced to do, we have all the strategies outdated! There is nothing to copy here ... It should take off and prepare at any simple airfield. It should be cheaper and less expensive, and significantly less than the TU-160 ... The missiles from the Tu-160 can also be carried by the SU-34M, only the range is needed more ...

                    https://naukatehnika.com/pak-da-obrel-svoe-liczo.html
        2. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 28 November 2019 18: 21
          +3
          Quote: Spartanez300
          Tu-160M ​​- deep modernization of the Soviet missile carrier Tu-160. The aircraft was changed to more economical engines -

          New engines are still in the project.
          A couple of years have not passed since we restored the documentation for the NK-32 ...
        3. okko077
          okko077 28 November 2019 20: 54
          0
          Holy naivety! Have you read and heard enough of political advertising? Are you a political scientist or a creative worker? Have you seen the army in the parade?
      2. Berkut24
        Berkut24 28 November 2019 12: 41
        +2
        "Bird" is also beautiful - majestic

        Well, not everyone knows that a real swan, being evil, can be poked in such a way that it doesn't seem enough.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 28 November 2019 13: 27
          +2
          Quote: Berkut24
          "Bird" is also beautiful - majestic

          Well, not everyone knows that a real swan, being evil, can bale so that it doesn’t seem enough.

          By the way, I have an idea about this more than once.
          1. dmmyak40
            dmmyak40 28 November 2019 21: 57
            +5
            Swans within a radius of 100-200 meters from their nest completely destroy and destroy the nests of smaller birds.
            But the polar owl is the opposite: all the feathery trifle, even geese settle nearby. The arctic fox is trying to get around the owl's nest by a long way.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 29 November 2019 07: 34
              0
              Quote: dmmyak40
              Swans within a radius of 100-200 meters from their nest completely destroy and destroy the nests of smaller birds.

              Yes, the swan, for all that, does not differ in a livable character. And about swan fidelity, these are fairy tales ...
              1. lukewarm
                lukewarm 29 November 2019 15: 51
                +1
                Yeah. Like a dove - a bird of the world. Wild nature and to her before our ideas about her .... anyway
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 29 November 2019 19: 06
                  +1
                  Quote: unwillingly
                  Yeah. Like a dove - a bird of peace

                  Shit, where you don’t need to ... like all the other birds.
                  Quote: unwillingly
                  Wild nature and to her before our ideas about her .... anyway

                  We live in the world of our illusions.
        2. Nick
          Nick 28 November 2019 13: 48
          +2
          Quote: Berkut24
          "Bird" is also beautiful - majestic

          Well, not everyone knows that a real swan, being evil, can be poked in such a way that it doesn't seem enough.

          Yeah, it is, on the geese recourse
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 November 2019 07: 39
            0
            Quote: Nick
            Yeah, it is, on the geese

            These are the habits of this beautiful bird!
            So is the Tupolev Swan, a formidable "bird" I just can't!
      3. okko077
        okko077 28 November 2019 21: 03
        +2
        "
        The bird "is also beautiful, majestic, besides everything else!

        This is a complex technical design. On board are hundreds of systems and devices, followed by factories and people. .And pride in the country and awe of power ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 29 November 2019 07: 36
          0
          Quote: okko077
          This is a complex technical design. On board are hundreds of systems and devices, followed by factories and people. .And pride in the country and awe of power ...

          Everything is right ... they did the equipment and for them, for a long time, for a very long time, now there is already NO factory!
          Much needs to be restored.
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    3. lis-ik
      lis-ik 28 November 2019 14: 14
      +1
      Quote: ANIMAL
      Well, fine! good Strategic Aviation - An Important Component of the Nuclear Triad! Good news!

      It’s a pity that there is no red slogan in the emoticons. The comment would be more elegant and relevant.
  2. Labrador
    Labrador 28 November 2019 10: 32
    +2
    Good luck!
  3. Alien From
    Alien From 28 November 2019 10: 39
    +2
    A handsome little devil all the same))) but this is for us, for striped animals this is a white death ....
    1. Skay
      Skay 28 November 2019 11: 23
      +8
      Beautiful all the same little devil)))

      It was already here, but I can not help but repeat:
      1. Nikolay87
        Nikolay87 28 November 2019 13: 55
        0
        With folded wings, to the music, right up to the goosebumps on the skin.
        And how many of these are in service now?
        1. okko077
          okko077 28 November 2019 21: 20
          +1
          As of January 2018, 35 Tu-160s were produced, including 8 prototypes and 27 production aircraft. The Russian Aerospace Forces is armed with 11 Tu-160s, the rest are either disposed of, used as museum exhibits, or undergo modernization.

          Author: Alexey Veledinsky

          https://www.pnp.ru/politics/putinu-pokazali-modernizirovannyy-tu-160-pyotr-deynekin.html

          SchA patriots begin to sob! This is not me, and there is a link.

          But the question is, what does the "Pyotr Deinekin" fly with and what is then experienced on the upgraded one?
          Someone is lying! Either Deinekin is empty or you don't need to test anything? It doesn't work in the middle ...
          Or maybe it's the same thing?
          https://www.interfax.ru/russia/685914
  4. Potato
    Potato 28 November 2019 10: 46
    0
    Perhaps this is the coolest combat aircraft in the world good wink red stars on white wings look cool!
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 28 November 2019 11: 58
      0
      Stars are good, and returning the red flag is also good. And most importantly - there is something to handle the enemy well.
  5. RUSS
    RUSS 28 November 2019 10: 50
    -4
    Why are letters in Latin written on keel?
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 28 November 2019 11: 15
      +5
      so that you see in this news (beautiful) the national betrayal of RezhM and called for an end to this bourgeois system
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 28 November 2019 11: 34
        -3
        Quote: c-Petrov
        so that you see in this news (beautiful) the national betrayal of RezhM and called for an end to this bourgeois system

        Are you driving?)))
    2. opus
      opus 28 November 2019 11: 31
      +4
      Quote: RUSS
      Why are letters in Latin written on keel?

      article 34 of the Air Code of Russia + International Air Navigation Conference 1919 (registration prefixes of countries approved), and have been introduced with us, in my opinion, since 2011 (on the Su-24 from the 43rd Black Sea Fleet Air Assault Aviation Regiment based in Crimea
      RA-00001 ... RA-99999 (civil aviation)
      RA-0001A ... RA-9999Z (general aviation)
      RF-00001 ... RF-99999 (state aviation)
      it was:

      if you haven’t flown abroad.
      and if he flew, then USSR-42403 or URSS-42403 would stand.
      ================================================== ==
      Well, think about it is included in the airspace of Russia (England, Honduras, Ukraine) board from China (or KSA) whose tail number is written ....
      How to communicate with him?
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 28 November 2019 11: 56
        -1
        Quote: opus
        Article 34 of the Air Code of Russia + International Air Navigation Conference

        Thanks, clarified
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 28 November 2019 12: 43
      0
      Quote: RUSS
      Why are letters in Latin written on keel?

      According to the international code.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 28 November 2019 12: 43
        -2
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: RUSS
        Why are letters in Latin written on keel?

        According to the international code.

        Thank you
  6. askort154
    askort154 28 November 2019 10: 52
    +1
    The Ministry of Defense signed a contract with the enterprise for the construction of 10 new Tu-160M ​​bombers, rolling out the first of them will happen at the end of 2020.

    A cool Christmas tree gift! It will be a great occasion for New Year's toast! drinks
  7. Pavel57
    Pavel57 28 November 2019 10: 53
    -1
    We should also provide for air-to-air missiles.
  8. Thrifty
    Thrifty 28 November 2019 10: 57
    -3
    I did not understand a bit, is it now a contract for 10 new aircraft, and then it will be extended, or in general they decided to make only 10 new Tu160 ??? (Minusarov please walk forever past my comments) !!! negative
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 28 November 2019 11: 01
      +3
      In total, 35 units were made during the Soviet era, including 27 serial and 8 prototypes.
      Very expensive device. And 26 such aircraft for strategic aviation are a considerable force.
      If you are interested in reading, the history of creation with numerous diagrams, tables and photographs is extremely detailed: http://www.aviationunion.ru/Files/Nom_2_TU_1.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiWx_antIzmAhWGLVAKHfIeBGMQFjAEegQIAhAB&usg=25390CVJcpaw
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 28 November 2019 11: 11
        0
        Thanks, interesting link!
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 28 November 2019 11: 17
          +2
          Sorry.
          http://www.aviationunion.ru/Files/Nom_2_TU_1.pdf
      2. kuz363
        kuz363 28 November 2019 19: 37
        0
        Compared to the number of aircraft in the USA, these are crumbs.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 28 November 2019 20: 03
          -1
          Which ones?
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 28 November 2019 11: 03
      -1
      Quote: Thrifty
      I didn’t understand a bit - this is now a contract for 10 new aircraft,

      On November 25, the head of Tupolev, Alexander Konyukhov, told Interfax that the first Tu-160M ​​built "from scratch" would be handed over to the Russian Defense Ministry at the end of 2021. Earlier, he said that the first combat aircraft, which has undergone a deep modernization in the form of the Tu-160M, is planned to be handed over to the military in 2022.

      The military announced plans to modernize all 16 Tu-160 "strategists" in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces.

      As reported, after a ten-year hiatus at the Kazan Aircraft Plant, the production of strategic Tu-160 bombers, which are an air component of the nuclear triad, is being restored.

      It was noted that outwardly the new aircraft will not differ from the basic Tu-160, but at the same time its combat capabilities will significantly increase, including by expanding the range of weapons. In addition, a new series of NK-32 engines is being made for this aircraft, which will increase the flight range of "strategists" by 1 thousand km.

      On January 25, 2018, a state contract was signed between the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the Tupolev company for the supply of the first batch of Tu-160M ​​"strategists" - it provides for the creation of 10 aircraft worth 15 billion rubles each.
    3. mark1
      mark1 28 November 2019 11: 33
      -4
      Quote: Thrifty
      Minusarov please walk forever past my comments) !!!

      A small clarification - not "minusars" but minuses ...
    4. VO3A
      VO3A 28 November 2019 12: 05
      -14
      Well, at least 10, not 50, as before ... Well, to hell, this dinosaur with an outdated design is generally needed ... Demonstrate the presence and the flag and 16 kerosene fighters is enough ... Yes, it’s necessary to restore production and train before releasing PAK! But 10 pieces is overkill, I thought it was smart enough to stop for 5 .... Although PAK YES will not be so difficult!
      There is no point in releasing this heavy, costly, outdated aircraft from a military point of view ... Only for organizing and restoring production ... Or maybe he can launch shuttles instead of a rocket?
      1. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 28 November 2019 12: 14
        +1
        This is still 10, to the extent possible KAZ. But no one has canceled the task of building 50 Tu-160M. PACK YES this is still the future.
        For hell, this dinosaur with an outdated design is generally needed ..

        This, as you put it, "outdated" on a par with the B-1B is the fastest of the strategic bombers. The Tu-160M ​​will be able to fly on subsonic as it is. Is it outdated because it is not stealth?
        1. VO3A
          VO3A 28 November 2019 12: 21
          -6
          It can be seen for 1000 km, you can’t hide it anywhere on the earth, how many airfields we can take off with full combat load, they are easily controlled and tracked ... And it is so expensive and expensive to operate with dubious combat effectiveness, and non-resource obsolete design with PChK ... But will he have time to fly up? For one advertisement, the power of our country is not expensive? And you don’t dream of a lot of ten ... Why do we need a flying expensive train with nuclear weapons, if there is a cheap and ground-based train with the same tasks and capabilities? ...
          1. Sky strike fighter
            Sky strike fighter 28 November 2019 12: 32
            -2
            Is it all gone? Surrender? Or are you not in the mood today? And how would you rate the F-35? I guess you can only say good things about it. It's understandable. In war, as in war, even information, all means are good.
            Quote: VO3A
            It can be seen for 1000 km, you can’t hide it anywhere on the earth, how many airfields we can take off with full combat load, they are easily controlled and tracked ... And it is so expensive and expensive to operate with dubious combat effectiveness, and non-resource obsolete design with PChK ... But will he have time to fly up? For one advertisement, the power of our country is not expensive? And you don’t dream of a lot of ten ... Why do we need a flying expensive train with nuclear weapons, if there is a cheap and ground-based train with the same tasks and capabilities? ...

            Do you even forbid us to dream? laughing lol A new training manual came out probably.
            1. VO3A
              VO3A 28 November 2019 12: 43
              0
              But essentially nothing to argue?
          2. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 28 November 2019 12: 32
            +1
            Quote: VO3A
            is there cheap and ground-based with the same tasks and capabilities?

            What are you sorry about?
            1. VO3A
              VO3A 28 November 2019 12: 39
              -3
              BRZHK has exactly the same tasks and opportunities, only it can be hidden ... But it was also canceled, it was decided that there would be enough Topol ...
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 28 November 2019 12: 49
                +1
                Quote: VO3A
                DBC have exactly the same tasks and opportunities

                Ahem ... I certainly didn’t know how to fly the BRC.

                Quote: VO3A
                only it can be hidden

                It was possible under the Union - yes. Now - there are reasonable doubts that it is "possible".

                And in general - they drank the DBC for a long time, it is considered inexpedient to restore ... no? Actually, it’s yours

                Quote: VO3A
                ... Yes cheap and land ...

                and raised my question.
              2. Starlei.ura
                Starlei.ura 29 November 2019 02: 04
                0
                It’s a direct discovery, but what about the tasks of the BZHRK and poplars, and how do they even resemble the tasks of a swan? Nerds you really zadolbili !!! (If I have 15 years of poplars, from testing to exploitation in combat units behind me, my father spent his whole life in long-range aviation). A swan, quite a conventional ammunition, can stop the deployment of marines from the sea somewhere off the coast of Venezuela, and I can’t even imagine how poplar or BZHRK will do it. To cut the strategic communications of the probable adversary (and in our probable adversaries they are more and more by sea), the swan is like two fingers on asphalt, but I can’t even imagine poplar and BZHRK.
          3. Piramidon
            Piramidon 28 November 2019 13: 15
            0
            Quote: VO3A
            It is visible for 1000 km

            And he can launch rockets 2500 km before those who can see him.
            1. VO3A
              VO3A 28 November 2019 17: 42
              0
              The X-101 has a range of 5500 km ...
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 28 November 2019 18: 07
                0
                Quote: VO3A
                The X-101 has a range of 5500 km ...

                Then, all the more, he does not need to approach 1000 km.
        2. VO3A
          VO3A 28 November 2019 22: 06
          -1
          For all minus one:

          https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2018/03/07/75714-tu-tu
          Enjoy ... Do you need an expert, titled?
          1. Starlei.ura
            Starlei.ura 29 November 2019 02: 08
            +1
            Everything is clear with you! I didn't even follow the link, the new newspaper for me is already such a "title" that it is better not to.
            1. VO3A
              VO3A 29 November 2019 09: 08
              -1
              It would be better to read, there is a answer to your ravings! Fill the name in Google and see who else printed ... There it is drawn what the Swan is intended for. If you yourself do not understand!
              A swan, quite a conventional ammunition, will be able to stop the deployment of marines from the sea somewhere off the coast of Venezuela

              Thought for a long time? Syrian experience embedded? You can in GSh.Tam such and basically sit ....
    5. Piramidon
      Piramidon 28 November 2019 13: 11
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      Is it now a contract for 10 new aircraft, and then it will be extended, or did they decide to make just 10 new Tu160s?

      While these 10 are being built, there may already be a PAK YES.
    6. Nick
      Nick 28 November 2019 13: 58
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      I did not understand a bit, is it now a contract for 10 new aircraft, and then it will be extended, or in general they decided to make only 10 new Tu160 ???

      It can be assumed that so far 10. Here, IMHO, a lot depends on the development of the PAK DA project, if the project is successful, then the transition to PAK DA production is possible, and if there are difficulties with the implementation of the PAK DA program, then it is possible the Tu-160M ​​series will continue .
      1. Starlei.ura
        Starlei.ura 29 November 2019 02: 27
        -1
        To be honest, the concept of the subsonic PAK DA is more dubious in combat use than the modified Tu-160, if the swan, upon detecting enemy fighters, stupidly turns around and leaves (well, they don't have fighters that can catch up with him from a distance), then the slow-moving, albeit with less EPR, a badly flying coffin, no chances. Yes, and radar reconnaissance satellites are getting cheaper from year to year, and from above all these "inconspicuous" structures will give even greater exposure than traditional ones.
        1. VO3A
          VO3A 29 November 2019 09: 11
          -1
          Just a genius and strategist from the time of the catapult .... Before you write, you need to think ....
        2. Nick
          Nick 29 November 2019 23: 55
          0
          Quote: Starlei.ura
          To be honest, the concept of the subsonic PAK DA is more doubtful in combat use than the modified Tu-160, if the swan, when it detects enemy fighters, stupidly turns around and leaves (well, they don’t have fighters capable of catching it from a distance), then it’s slow-moving, albeit with less EPR, poorly flying tombs no chance.

          Probably missile weapons, for PAK DA will be new, and most likely, PAK DA will not have to leave its airspace for a long time. The range of modern airborne missile launchers X-101, already now reaches 5,5 thousand km., And by the time the PAK YES was created, the firing range of its missiles would reach potential enemy targets at a much greater distance, which would allow the PAK YES not to meet with fighters the enemy.
    7. g1v2
      g1v2 28 November 2019 14: 19
      +3
      Sense to order immediately more? The production of these first 10 pieces will take 5-6 years. After all, it is being re-deployed, moreover, some components are completely at other enterprises than before. In the 20-21th year, the most likely will be deflated those 2 aircraft, whose hulls used to be at the factory. And the remaining 8 should already be built completely from scratch. So most likely it will be 23-26 years. and maybe longer. The point is to pre-contract for aircraft that will be built in 8-9 years? The need for swans, our VKS is estimated at 50 pieces. That's just the main part of these aircraft will be built for sure in the late 20s - early 30s. request
      PM is the first contract and a good sign. This means that the production of swans, in principle, restored or will be restored in the coming years. That is, we returned the opportunity to build such aircraft. But this is still the peak of Soviet aircraft construction and its technologies. request
      1. 40821
        40821 29 November 2019 21: 45
        0
        In 2018, an airplane just made from Soviet ground flew in front of Putin. In 21, a newly made airplane will roll out.
  9. Flooding
    Flooding 28 November 2019 11: 03
    0
    It is difficult to imagine the sensations of a pilot piloting these tens of tons of beauty, speed and power.
    1. Starlei.ura
      Starlei.ura 29 November 2019 02: 29
      0
      Hundreds of tons, hundreds!
  10. Beringovsky
    Beringovsky 28 November 2019 11: 21
    -24
    We finally learned how to assemble an airplane from Soviet spare parts!
    Keep it up.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 28 November 2019 11: 30
      +8
      Quote: Beringovsky
      We finally learned how to assemble a plane from Soviet spare parts

      My friend, what you personally learned there - very few people are interested. And if you are talking about TU160 - it is not at all "from spare parts".

      Let me remind you how it all began:

      The unique technology began to be restored at the Kazan Aviation Plant. Gorbunov - a branch of PJSC "Tupolev" (KAZ). We are talking about vacuum annealing and welding of titanium assemblies, for which electron-beam welding (ELU-24) and annealing (UVN-45) installations were once used.


      So here. Technologies restored, production established. What's wrong?
      1. Voyager
        Voyager 28 November 2019 11: 35
        +6
        He is not so. Periodically appears here and all his comments in the same spirit))
        1. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 28 November 2019 20: 28
          -5
          Quote: Voyager
          He is not so. Periodically appears here and all his comments in the same spirit))

          And there is more than enough other "spirit" on our state TV, turn on the TV and breathe it deeper.
      2. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 28 November 2019 20: 23
        -6
        Well, the whole Prigogine Kremlin army’s army was marked by minuses. How many of you are here, 20 people? Or each has several accounts?
        The unique technology began to be restored at the Kazan Aviation Plant. Gorbunov - a branch of PJSC "Tupolev" (KAZ). We are talking about vacuum annealing and welding of titanium assemblies, for which electron-beam welding (ELU-24) and annealing (UVN-45) installations were once used.

        So here. Technologies restored, production established. What's wrong?

        laughing
        Well, I’m talking about this! Finally mastered the Soviet technology of the 70s!
        What's wrong?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 28 November 2019 20: 38
          +4
          Quote: Beringovsky
          Finally mastered the Soviet technology of the 70s!
          What's wrong?

          All wrong. And the technologies are different, and they rebuilt not even from scratch, but from the "minus".

          But why do you need it? You know yourself troll further, how trolls ... and I will slow you down, from time to time. I have a hobby laughing
          1. Beringovsky
            Beringovsky 28 November 2019 20: 49
            -6
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Quote: Beringovsky
            Finally mastered the Soviet technology of the 70s!
            What's wrong?

            All wrong. And the technologies are different, and they rebuilt not even from scratch, but from the "minus".

            But why do you need it? You troll further ... and I will slow you down, from time to time. I have such a hobby laughing

            Ah, so you turn out to be a hobbit ... well, well
            What are these "other technologies", what are you inventing here? There, barely barely, the old Soviet ones were restored.
            Unique technology started to rebuild at the Kazan Aviation Plant. Gorbunov - branch of PJSC "Tupolev" (KAZ)

            And where are the "other technologies" here?
            The new engine for the Su57 can not do. By the year 22 promise fellow (may be feel )
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 28 November 2019 20: 50
              0
              Quote: Beringovsky
              Beringovsky

              Sha, I'm sorry ... I don’t feed anymore request
              1. Beringovsky
                Beringovsky 28 November 2019 21: 26
                -4
                This is because there is nothing to answer.
                I see.
            2. Voyager
              Voyager 28 November 2019 22: 08
              +3
              Quote: Beringovsky
              The new engine for the Su57 can not do

              What do you mean can’t? If they went beyond the required time limits or said they couldn’t, then yes: they couldn’t. But work contrary to your words is going as it should.

              You just reminded me of typical Ukrainians in the year 2016. When they came to the forums to shit, they had such a feature: the construction of the Crimean bridge began relatively recently, and they are kind of cleverly trolling, they say, "what, did they build a bridge? Built? Gyyyy".
              1. Beringovsky
                Beringovsky 29 November 2019 01: 58
                -3
                And you remind me of a typical "Olginsky" kremlebot, with cheap demagogic tricks,
                If they went beyond the required time limits or said they couldn’t, then yes: they couldn’t.

                What are the "required deadlines"? Sound them out.
                But work contrary to your words is going as it should.

                How "right"? Do you personally work with this engine? Or just blah blah?
                In general, empty balabolstvo.
                1. Voyager
                  Voyager 29 November 2019 11: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: Beringovsky
                  And you remind me of a typical "Olginsky" kremlebot

                  And here are typical Ukrainian stamps pulled up laughing You still forgot to mention cotton wool and a complete set will be.
                  Quote: Beringovsky
                  What are the "required deadlines"? Sound them out.

                  Here it is not necessary to shift from a sick head to a healthy one. Flight tests of the new engine last almost a year and a half, and based on statements by officials from the UEC, it was about 2-3 years since the first flight tests. Now, if after the 21st there are no obvious results in the form of completion of the development program, then you will broadcast something, but for now, your destiny will be silent in a rag smile

                  Or just blah blah?
                  In general, empty balabolstvo.

                  This is exclusively your prerogative here. To criticize something, you need to be something of yourself, but this is not about you.
                  1. Beringovsky
                    Beringovsky 29 November 2019 12: 33
                    -2
                    And here are typical Ukrainian stamps drove up laughing you forgot to mention cotton wool and a complete set will be.

                    A typical cheap Kremlin boat receiver is to declare any dissenting Ukrainian. laughing
                    What, in the new training manual is this on the first page?
                    This is exclusively your prerogative here. To criticize something, you need to be something of yourself, but this is not about you.

                    wassat well, that is, the answer essentially will not be?
                    I thought so wassat
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 28 November 2019 12: 08
      +1
      again a troll was drawn
    3. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 28 November 2019 12: 21
      +2
      Quote: Beringovsky
      We finally learned how to assemble an airplane from Soviet spare parts!
      Keep it up.

      What is the assembly of the new Mriya An-225 going according to plan? Keep it up.
      1. kuz363
        kuz363 28 November 2019 19: 39
        0
        Where is the documentation for Mriya? Surely in Kiev.
  11. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 28 November 2019 12: 17
    +1
    The white swan, the swan is pure,
    Your dreams are always silent
    Tranquil silver
    You glide giving birth to waves.

    Beneath you - the depths of dumb
    No greetings, no response
    But you glide drowning
    In the abyss of air and light.

    Above you - The air is bottomless
    With a bright Morning Star.
    You glide transformed
    Reflected beauty.

    A symbol of tenderness dispassionate,
    Unsaid, timid,
    The ghost is feminine beautiful
    The swan is clean, the swan is white!

    (c) Konstantin Balmont (1867-1942)
  12. Pecheneg
    Pecheneg 28 November 2019 12: 29
    +1
    Very good, but it will be even better when the total number of these machines is brought to 26.
  13. bars1
    bars1 28 November 2019 12: 34
    +1
    And in the eggplant coloring, IMHO, it would look cooler ...
  14. ydjin
    ydjin 28 November 2019 12: 41
    0
    It's time, I'm glad the revival of production! It will sober up our enemies.
  15. RUSS
    RUSS 28 November 2019 12: 47
    -8
    Quote: ydjin
    It's time, I'm glad the revival of production! It will sober up our enemies.

    Not production, but modernization
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 28 November 2019 12: 58
      +6
      Quote: RUSS
      Quote: ydjin
      It's time, I'm glad the revival of production

      Not production, but modernization

      Production too. Although you should read this article, since it’s completely off topic.
    2. ydjin
      ydjin 28 November 2019 13: 05
      +1
      Have you read the article?
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 28 November 2019 13: 20
      +2
      Quote: RUSS
      Quote: ydjin
      It's time, I'm glad the revival of production! It will sober up our enemies.

      Not production, but modernization

      Not having read rushed to scribble comments?
      in addition to modernizing the Tu-160 combat strategists, the Kazan aircraft factory revived the production of these aircraft from scratch. The Ministry of Defense signed a contract with the enterprise for the construction of 10 new Tu-160M ​​bombers, the first of them will be rolled out at the end of 2020.
  16. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 28 November 2019 12: 51
    +3
    Some experts said, referring to the mattresses, that this is a long song due to insufficient economic and technological development in Russia. But everything turned out as Shoigu thought. Chichas will go to rinse our gozman and Merikan about the complete militarization of Russia instead of making pots for our poor.
    1. ydjin
      ydjin 28 November 2019 13: 11
      +2
      I remember about pots when the Gorbachev conversion went from plate stamps for tropospheric communication, ice flakes for rides from the snow slides riveted. Yes, after many years you realize how enchanting it was!
  17. Calm
    Calm 28 November 2019 16: 22
    -3
    Sometimes it flew over my village, apparently when landing I went in. The leaves of the apple trees blackened due to unburned fuel, apparently recourse
    1. Vadim Zhivov
      Vadim Zhivov 28 November 2019 17: 59
      +1
      Yeah, and the chickens did not milk and the cows did not rush ..... We have already passed this more than once ..... laughing
      1. Calm
        Calm 2 December 2019 08: 22
        0
        Everything is clear what you went through. But you can’t write down minuses everywhere put by supposedly experts.
        1. Vadim Zhivov
          Vadim Zhivov 4 December 2019 05: 46
          0
          I’ve been working as an explosive for more than 15 years and I know what I’m writing ... And I didn’t put you any minuses .... hi
  18. Dikiy sadik
    Dikiy sadik 29 November 2019 01: 11
    -3
    The so-called "modernization" includes:

    1. HALF EMDSU (Electro - Remote Control System, aka Fly by Wire) manufactured by Honeywell. This is an American office, if Che. SEMI - because there is a digital signal converter (which, by the way, is transmitted via .... Ethernet at a speed of up to 100 mbps) to analog - for ancient coupling bolt and nail drives;

    2. Navigation and information display system - from the same Honevel and Garmin;

    3. Modernization of NK engines (rotor, compressor, fuel supply system, etc.) - French SNECMA;

    4. The weapon guidance and control system - either American, or again French from SAFRAN

    I do not argue - the components and manufacturers are excellent, but just what is Russian there? And this is in the strategic bomber.

    So the main goals of modernization in my opinion is to increase the sawing capacity and recoil resistance.


    Hostile lies? No matter how: in Armata:
    1. Fire guidance and control system - USA;

    2. Optics - Lipers (USA);

    3. Engine control system (three to choose from: either German BOSH MED, or Continental - Siemens SIMOS. Or Ipponski DENSO. And all - shaggy years, since the more modern ones will quickly die from what the tanks are in the Russian Federation for).

    4. Transmission, transmission, clutches - American EATON;

    5. The armor plate of the Sevstal corps - Gestamp (essentially Germany).


    Somehow like this.
    1. Starlei.ura
      Starlei.ura 29 November 2019 02: 41
      -1
      Thank you!, Neighing, you forgot to mention the computer from the Apple and the batteries from the great Ilona, ​​but nothing, you aren’t doing a stand-up show?
      1. Dikiy sadik
        Dikiy sadik 29 November 2019 03: 13
        -5
        Camputere, aka the core of the Flight and Navigation System from Honaval, has already said. Since there are no such systems in Russia and there never were. They were in the USSR. In particular, one was created for the second prototype of the T-4. It was a full-fledged EDSU with LINS and a "glass" cockpit on monochrome transreflective LCD. For reference, no one else in the world has had such a thing. And even in the space industry of the USSR too.

        About batteries (and from on ANY modern L.A. enough) - used to be ours, Lanthanum - Fluoride. Schaz - I don’t know. But Ilon does not produce batteries - he receives from from MERCEDES, which, in turn, receives from from LG Chem.
  19. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 29 November 2019 07: 46
    0
    What series engine? First or second? They are silent again.
  20. Kaw
    Kaw 29 November 2019 14: 20
    0
    What kind of "deep" modernization is there if only the electronics are changing, and even then probably not all. In Soviet times, new NK-64 engines were developed for these machines (if I am not mistaken), now there is no word about these developments.
  21. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 29 November 2019 18: 00
    0
    Quote: Flood
    I’m not sure that the new engines will be put on modernized aircraft.
    It is logical that upon the exhaustion of the resource. And new ones will primarily go to devices of new construction.

    I think you are wrong. Engines are always much more aircraft. Restrain engine manufacturing. in the rhythm of making airplanes? Then they will be many times more expensive. Release as many as needed for both applications. And, of course, from here the application to existing, but so far, modernized.
    A simple rearrangement of a new dvigun instead of the old is not possible. And put on a second joke already flying and modernized? For a second upgrade? Stupid.
  22. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 29 November 2019 18: 06
    0
    Quote: Kaw
    What kind of "deep" modernization is there if only the electronics are changing, and even then probably not all. In Soviet times, new NK-64 engines were developed for these machines (if I am not mistaken), now there is no word about these developments.

    It’s good to understand things in which there’s not a single foot in the tooth. The main thing is that you will not ruin a thing. Management is the most difficult thing on the plane. Electronics is, after all, not a radio point to update. Replaced a lot, and control algorithms in the first place. Weapon systems, communications, actuators replaced ...
    Not for nothing that the radius increased by a thousand kilometers. Balancing with new pieces of iron, missile weapons, new training for flyers. The external form remained. But offal ....
  23. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 29 November 2019 18: 13
    0
    Quote: SovAr238A
    Quote: Spartanez300
    Tu-160M ​​- deep modernization of the Soviet missile carrier Tu-160. The aircraft was changed to more economical engines -

    New engines are still in the project.
    A couple of years have not passed since we restored the documentation for the NK-32 ...

    The documentation did not go anywhere. Got equipment, manufactured materials for the engine, specialists, stands and appliances .....
  24. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 29 November 2019 18: 15
    0
    Quote: Starlei.ura
    Thank you!, Neighing, you forgot to mention the computer from the Apple and the batteries from the great Ilona, ​​but nothing, you aren’t doing a stand-up show?

    What to do with a horse? Let on the meadow to neighing. The head is big, but what's the point? .....
  25. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 29 November 2019 18: 19
    +1
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: ydjin
    It's time, I'm glad the revival of production! It will sober up our enemies.

    Not production, but modernization

    A modernization in bed, is it happening? Share your experiences.
  26. Stalllker
    Stalllker 15 January 2020 15: 43
    0
    All the same, our people are able to make beautiful airplanes !!!
  27. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 15 January 2020 18: 35
    0
    Interestingly, we managed to simplify its service before the flight.