Cabinet has proposed a fixed cash allowance for "conscripts"

A government bill has been submitted to the lower house of the Russian parliament for consideration, which provides for a change in monetary allowances for all categories of military personnel serving on conscription.

The bill provides for the establishment of a constant amount of cash allowance at the level of 2086 rubles per month. In fact, this is a salary. In addition, the government intends to foresee annual inflation so that at the end of the year it will carry out indexation of payments to soldiers of “urgent” service.

Earlier (over six years), an experiment was conducted in Russia that dealt with the unification of the monetary allowance of military personnel serving on conscription. In addition to the monthly "salary" in the amount of 2 thousand rubles, monthly allowances were also paid - depending on qualifications, position and the so-called "secret" (work with documents that are state secrets).
From the explanatory note:

In connection with the end of the experiment (December 31 2018 of the year) and in order to maintain the achieved level of monetary allowance for military personnel on draft, the draft law is envisaged to extend to military personnel on draft in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation since January 1 2019 year, and in relation to military personnel on draft in other federal executive bodies (federal state bodies) - from 1 of January 2020 of the year.

Establishing a single monetary allowance for all military conscripts, the government, as TASS writes, is going to get away from the concept of "typical" and "atypical" posts for this category of military personnel.

It should be noted that premiums are also planned to be used. For example, for the performance of tasks related to health and life risks in peacetime, 1 will be paid a thousand rubles a month, for the command, for example, a department - 800 rubles, for work with the “secret” - up to 500 rubles per month.

Comments

[Civil]

Pasha-Mercedes was very fond of all these payments for the "secret", he had to somehow stimulate.

[Svarog]

for work with the "secret" - up to 500 rubles per month.

We have some secret secrets 500 rub payment for secrets is strong ... And if the enemy Tsap-scratch we have some kind of secret .. will give the conscript $ 5000 and the TsAP scratch
Under capitalism, the army should consist entirely of contract soldiers .. because under capitalism a citizen pays for everything at the market price and does not see help from the state ..

[carstorm 11]

Well, when the urgent will be completely canceled then they will. although this is now nafig is not necessary) and so in the Union how much they paid to the ordinary? 8 rubles seems)

[Ross xnumx]

3 rubles 80 kopecks ... Until 1983, then 7 rubles ...

[carstorm 11]

I think it’s enough for a tea? )

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: ROSS 42

3 rubles 80 kopecks ... Until 1983, then 7 rubles ...

Yes, an ordinary, in my opinion, was paid even less ... True, I demobilized at the end of 1975 ... I don't exactly remember my "salary"; received additional payments for class, rank ... plus 20-22 rubles for the position of chief of the control room of the ZAS (the position of warrant officer ...). So, at that time, it was "not sickly"!

[cost]

Private SA received -3 rubles 80 kopecks.
Private border guard of the 47th PO (military unit 2042) received 4 rubles. 50 kopecks

[bessmertniy]

Probably, we must proceed from the fact that service is work. And since the work, then it is necessary to pay for it with dignity. And here the conscript or contractor is not so important if you need a high-quality result.

[carstorm 11]

this is the main mistake. for an army soldier, this is not a job but a duty.

[Simargl]

Quote: carstorm 11

for an army soldier, this is not a job but a duty.

Called a soldier - if you please pay: "soldier" - from the word "soldo" (need to explain what it is?) ...

[L-39NG]

There is such a profession - to defend the Motherland! You have to pay for every job, even middle and lower specialists. It does not matter if you defend as a professional (contract soldier or officer) or as a conscript. Contractors, however, should have more motivation, and a pension, and length of service, and free education in institutions that he himself chooses if he passes the exams, and health insurance that works, and cheaper loans for housing or home furnishings. The word "contract soldier" is not suitable in the army. These are people who have decided to be military professionals. Maybe I'm naive. I proceed from my realities. We have no conscription, we have little unemployment, but people are enrolled in the army, although there is a dropout, but not because of physical data. As they say - to whom the Lord gave a lot for muscles, little is left for other things.

[Glory1974]

The word "contract soldier" is not suitable in the army. These are people who have decided to be military professionals.

both the contractor and the conscript must be a military professional. That is to be able to fight. By call, officers also serve.

[Zhan]

Quote: carstorm 11

Well, when the urgent will be completely canceled then they will. although this is now nafig is not necessary) and so in the Union how much they paid to the ordinary? 8 rubles seems)

Yes, the student in the training 7 rubles
Private, depending on the position and the VUS from 8 to 20 rubles
Sergeant staff, UP TO 25 RUB.
I'm like a deputy. Com platoon 18.50

[bessmertniy]

Thank God that service in the army is included in the length of service for calculating pensions, but with certain reservations that the service should already be preceded by some working period "

[Simargl]

Quote: bessmertniy

military service counted as seniority for accrual of pensions

What's the point? These 2000+ r weather will not do ... like a year.

[Lannan Shi]

So the Union was an evil empire. He was able to produce exclusively galoshes. Ches word, the guarantor himself said so. And we live in a prosperous society, where everyone has a highly paid, highly skilled job, and can buy packs of apartments. Again, the guarantor said so. Yes, and Zaputintsy confirm. Cars herds, sausage Everest. Why do we need to be aligned with the starving Union?

[Glory1974]

under capitalism, a citizen pays for everything at the market price and does not see help from the state ..

If a citizen does not see help from the state, then the state does not need this either. It doesn’t matter whether capitalism or socialism.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Svarog

We have some secrets that are not secret 500 rubles. payment for secrets is strong ... And if the enemy Tsap-scratch we have some kind of secret .. will give the conscript $ 5000 and the TsAP scratch

Well, then you have to pay for the secret more than $ 5000 in rubles ...
And if the enemy pays $ 10000 then how?
I believe that you don’t have to pay for the secret at all. The warrior took the oath, and there, among other things, there is - do not disclose! (keep strictly ... a secret)

[Fat]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

I believe that you don’t have to pay for the secret at all. The warrior took the oath, and there, among other things, there is - do not disclose! (keep strictly ... a secret)

Upon receiving admission, the soldier gives a non-disclosure subscription in addition to the oath. These 500 p - compensation for the temporary restriction of his civil rights.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Thick

Upon receiving admission, the soldier gives a non-disclosure subscription in addition to the oath. These 500 p - compensation for the temporary restriction of his civil rights.

Sorry, I didn’t understand what kind of restriction of civil rights does a soldier (sergeant) of military service have in mind? What are these limitations?

[Fat]

Freedom of speech, for example. See chapter 29 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Thick

Freedom of speech, for example. See chapter 29 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

But in article 29 there is not a word about freedom of speech (sorry for the tautology).
There is an article - On non-disclosure ...
But this article applies not only to the military, but also to civilians. And this can in no way be considered as a restriction of rights.

[Fat]

This is a nondisclosure subscription. The article for the disclosure of information constituting a state secret, however. In short, don't talk and you won't be judged.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Thick

This is a nondisclosure subscription. The article for the disclosure of information constituting a state secret, however. In short, don't talk and you won't be judged.

You did not answer what restriction of the rights of the military men you spoke about.

[Fat]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: Thick

This is a nondisclosure subscription. The article for the disclosure of information constituting a state secret, however. In short, don't talk and you won't be judged.

You did not answer what restriction of the rights of the military men you spoke about.

Article 29 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, Article 19 of the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights", Article 10 of the European Convention on the Protection of Human Rights.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Thick

Article 29 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, Article 19 of the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights", Article 10 of the European Convention on the Protection of Human Rights.

That is, they are not able to formulate themselves? Found a "excuse"

[Fat]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: Thick

Article 29 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, Article 19 of the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights", Article 10 of the European Convention on the Protection of Human Rights.

That is, they are not able to formulate themselves? Found a "excuse"

What? For you, freedom of speech - zilch? Engage the bone in the skull, or do you need to immediately face the document? Everything is online, even on Wikipedia
I don’t give recommendations on x, I’ll call an ambulance, it will provide you with an intensive theory for 3 days without compulsory medical insurance, for free!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Thick

What? For you, freedom of speech - zilch?

Wait, wait, don't gass. What is forbidden to the conscript soldier to say?
The prohibition of secrecy is not a prohibition of freedom of speech.
So what is the prohibition of the notorious freedom of speech?
What can a soldier really say, but is he forbidden?
By the way, regardless of our polemic, I do not like this very "freedom of speech". And I don't like it for one simple reason - "freedom of speech" is not strictly tied to the law on "responsibility for what is said."

[Fat]

I don't want to disappoint you
The Constitution and the Criminal Code set a rigid framework. 500 rubles a month - normal compensation for "keep quiet".

[Krasnoyarsk]

[quote = Fat] I do not want to disappoint you
The Constitution and the Criminal Code set a rigid framework. 500 rubles per month - normal compensation for "keep quiet". [/ Quote]
You keep getting away from the answer. You have nothing to say?
You said - [quote = Tolstoy] 500 p - compensation for the temporary restriction of his civil rights. [/ Quote]
I asked the question - what is the restriction of his civil rights?
You answered - [quote = Fat] Freedom of speech, for example. See chapter 29 of the RF [/ quote]
I said that there is nothing in chapter 29 about "free speech"
Then you suck me in again -
[/ quote] Article 29 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, Article 19 of the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights", Article 10 of the European Convention on the Protection of Human Rights. [/ quote]
You are unable to argue your claim, and you reproach me with incompetence. Okay!
A citizen, having joined the army, takes the oath, where, among other things, he is OBLIGED TO (!!!) not to disclose, and, without any payment. It occurred to some stupid official to pay an employee extra for what he is obliged not to do (not to disclose) without any remuneration. You called it compensation. But COMPENSATION is partial or full compensation for losses incurred by a person not of his own free will. And what losses did the soldier incur without saying anything, simply - not talking? So who needs "additional education"?
And the last thing. How to understand your - "... asked to teach how to read Shevchenko correctly, ..."
How should this be understood? If you read Shevchenko correctly, then you need to read from right to left? So what? Or from bottom to top? How is it to read incorrectly? Of course, you can understand incorrectly, but read incorrectly ... How do you manage this?

[Fat]

I apologize for the harshness. Incompetence is our common misfortune,
. Found VO, and deal with Taxi Yandex. Well, google at last. Do you want additional education? Pay - the whole world is in front of you.
My friend in the platoon, a convinced national, when I asked to teach how to read Shevchenko correctly, he was confused. ... Said: "We need to think"
Maybe you need to think?

[VeteranVSSSR]

What restriction of rights? - to elect and be elected to government?

[Flooding]

for the performance of tasks associated with the risk to health and life in peacetime, 1 thousand rubles a month will be paid ... for work with the "secret" - up to 500 rubles per month

Proportionality raises questions. If this is a kind of stimulation, then chickens laugh. If not, then what is the reason for these amounts?

[carstorm 11]

stimulation of conscripts?))) seriously?)))

[Flooding]

It is not correct to answer a question with a question. Introduce yourself in a form and report)))

[carstorm 11]

Well, the answer is in the question) these are soldiers of military service at full security from the state) they are also paid for sweets enough)

[Flooding]

For the performance of tasks associated with risk to health and life, a bonus of 1000 rubles.
What for? Explain. To the conscript for a thousand felt what important task he performs?
And 500 rubles for access to classified information? What's this? To understand how they appreciate him?
This is disproportionate. This is some kind of mockery. This is a personal opinion.

[carstorm 11]

not at all) a soldier of military service is at the full support of the state. down to toothpaste. life-threatening tasks are a very broad concept. submariners for example. understand these surcharges, in principle, just something like pocket money, like all payments to them. in CA paid the same penny. go to the tea room several times) they want more ahead for the contract. everything is adult there already.

[Flooding]

Quote: carstorm 11

in CA paid the same penny. go to the tea room several times

I am not against penny payments. I am against penny surcharges.

[carstorm 11]

surcharges are proportionate to monetary allowance. everything is quite logical and as old as the world)

[Flooding]

Maybe you're right.

[Glory1974]

life-threatening tasks are a very broad concept.

But the extra charge for the risk of 1000 rubles is still ridiculous. What does it mean? Will the contractor get 1000 rubles per day for the risk, the conscript 1 000 per month, and sit in the same trench or on a submarine?
It would be better not to disgrace with such surcharges. Supplements for children of 50 rubles a month have recently been canceled, they were perceived as a mockery of people. Here is the same situation.

[hohkn]

Quote: Flood

And 500 rubles for access to classified information? What's this? To understand how they appreciate him?

A bit wrong. This is a bonus for permanent work with information constituting a state secret. And it is paid for the inconvenience associated just with the observance of state secrets. And so I understand that this amount is for the third form. The second and first conscripts are definitely not.

[Flooding]

I put it inaccurately. But I caught the essence.
And he wrote his opinion on this subject.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: carstorm 11

enough for candy)

And on sizhki? The price of a pack of one hundred rubles per month, for a pack per day, is not enough. Yes, and I don’t know how it is now, but in my time we bought toothpaste and fabric for filing. By the way, we didn’t see this money. Just before we received the platoon, we made a list and our commanders bought it for us

[Chaldon48]

Amounts are sufficient so that the conscript in mooring could eat ice cream to the dump.

[bessmertniy]

A girl to dance !?

[rocket757]

Establishing a single monetary allowance for all military conscripts, the government, as TASS writes, is going to get away from the concept of "typical" and "atypical" posts for this category of military personnel.

In general, some kind of dregs, under the slogan of optimization!

It should be noted that premiums are also planned to be used.

This only adds muti!
In short, "there is no money, and you .... serve boys, serve"!
The army needs stability, constancy ... with our manages / iPhones everywhere, everywhere, this will never happen!

[carstorm 11]

so it’s conscripts))) do you want them to pay salaries as contractors?)))

[Waddimm]

Quote: carstorm 11

so it’s conscripts))) do you want them to pay salaries as contractors?)))

Why not? Often conscripts in peacetime perform tasks along with contract soldiers, and it happens that they are of better quality! The fact that there is no money in the country, I do not believe.

[carstorm 11]

so they, as it were, were not paid in the Union) what has changed now?) they live better, eat better, dress better. freedom at times more. showers and other pleasures. Moms can be called often rather than fired. cards for which they can throw money on a cake. why do they have to pay more than before?)

[Potato]

The Union was a different social system. Now - capitalism. The state does not owe anything, but now everything is for money. And the labor of the soldiers too. So that...

[Fat]

Quote: Potato

The Union was a different social system. Now - capitalism. The state does not owe anything, but now everything is for money. And the labor of the soldiers too. So that...

What? The financial service can calculate how much the cost of maintaining a conscript is ready, the cost of training, and so on, add deductions for damage to state property, insurance. Capitalism is the same.

[Potato]

There are already deductions for damage to state property.

It remains only to create a contract agreement with each soldier to defend the homeland. Capitalism (s).

[Fat]

So there is a contract service, a professional ... And the military duty is the same.

[rocket757]

Quote: carstorm 11

so it’s conscripts))) do you want them to pay salaries as contractors?)))

Where did you write this? and where did it seem that I was confusing sour with fresh?
Stability is not a condition to raise monetary allowances to sky-high heights.

[carstorm 11]

so everything seems to be stable ... conducted an experiment. they calculated the average amount and fixed it with the surcharge left. in theory, even more than before)

[cniza]

This is not the biggest problem of our V.S. but it’s also necessary to decide ...

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

This is not the biggest problem of our V.S. but it’s also necessary to decide ...

The big problem comes from the small ones too!
Hello Victor
And so much that people have to solve is responsible, it’s not worthwhile to create problems where they did not exist, and if there were, to solve calmly and if possible for a long time.

[cniza]

Greetings , I did not put it that way - not by size, but by priority.

[rocket757]

Here we have all kinds of abbreviations - optimizers are a dime a dozen, but there are not enough specialists in good organization, planning and other necessary things. Where are they all?
It’s easy to guess, remember that people are tired, scared and do not want many changes, because they do not trust any innovations!

[cniza]

A lot of what can be added to the fact that we need to restore, it becomes very sad ...

[rocket757]

Hope can never leave us! True, it should not replace the conditions that we need to work and do everything we need to make our life better, more stable, more just!

[cniza]

Here I am about how everyone should work, not watch how others work.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

for the performance of tasks associated with the risk to health and life in peacetime, 1 thousand rubles a month will be paid

I completely agree with this decision.

, for the command, for example, the department - 800 rubles,

And here for what, to give an allowance to the conscript? He already has an allowance for his money, so let him do his immediate tasks. The situation is different with contractors, they bear more responsibility and there is more demand from them than conscripts. Is it better then to make an allowance for them?

for work with the "secret" - up to 500 rubles per month.

Or maybe then it’s better not to allow conscripts to the secret? Where there is a secret, mostly contract soldiers serve, let them carry out their immediate tasks.

[Basarev]

Only now are you honored. And before that, conscripts were free, in fact, slaves. And now they just throw a penny.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Basarev

And before that, conscripts were free

And before that they were paid almost the same

In addition to the monthly "salary" in the amount of 2 thousand rubles, monthly allowances were paid - depending on qualifications, position and the so-called "secret"

[BISMARCK94]

yeah, unprecedented generosity. Especially with prices in a cap

[Ros 56]

Yeah, some kind of money, go crazy. I won’t know where to spend it.

[faterdom]

Quote: Simargl

Quote: carstorm 11

for an army soldier, this is not a job but a duty.

Called a soldier - if you please pay: "soldier" - from the word "soldo" (need to explain what it is?) ...

"Soldo" is an incomprehensible word used to confuse the illiterate Pinocchio in the tavern when calculating for the dinner eaten by "partners". As a result, they pulled out a gold one from him, which is 30 thousand for our grandmothers. True, from the price of the alphabet, which Buratino drove for sure at half price, you can generally disappear.
The rest of the money our entrepreneur "invested in growth" on the advice of experienced brokers.