Hypersonic shock. Which of the Russian submarines will receive the Zircons?

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Not a “Granite” One


В first part of the material, we touched on the rearmament of a number of surface ships of the Russian Navy from old Soviet missiles to the new Zircon hypersonic missile. Which, according to reporters, the military and the head of state, is now undergoing trials and can soon be put into service.

Recall, we are talking about a product that can (again, according to open sources) reach speeds up to 8 M and hit targets at ranges up to 500-1000 kilometers. At such a gigantic speed, intercepting missiles will be very, very difficult, even for the most advanced air defense systems. And the declared range allows us to say that in front of us weapon, which, in theory, can change the balance of forces at sea, although it does not make the Russian fleet the strongest on Earth. Without aircraft carriers, this is impossible.



To destroy enemy aircraft carrier formations in the USSR, the P-700 Granite anti-ship missile was called upon. This is a real giant, with a starting mass of seven tons and capable of traveling at supersonic speeds up to 500-600 kilometers. "Granite" was never used in battle, so its effectiveness can only be reasoned with a bit of conventionality. In general, this is a formidable weapon, which, however, is morally and physically outdated today and needs to be replaced. It is being replaced, as already noted, by a hypersonic missile.



Timeless Antei


According to TASS, the first submarine equipped with Zircons will be the multipurpose submarine of the 949A Irkutsk project. The agency refers to Deputy Minister of Defense Alexei Krivoruchko: during its modernization, the boat will receive universal launchers 3С14, which, in addition to the Zircons, will allow the use of Caliber and Onyxa missiles already in service. It is worth saying that these launchers are also actively used by a number of surface ships, which, in theory, will allow them all to become carriers of new missiles.

Recall that as of 2017, 3С14 were used on frigates of the 22350 project, frigates of the 11356 project, corvettes of the 20385 project, missile ships of the 11661 project, small missile ships of the 21631 project and small missile ships of the 22800 project. As we wrote in the previous article, the promising nuclear destroyer Leader is also seen as the carrier of Zircon, but so far its prospects are more than vague.

However, now we are interested in the submarines. As you know, K-132 Irkutsk is a Russian nuclear submarine missile-carrying cruiser belonging to the same project as the infamous Kursk. That is, to the 949A Antey project. According to the existing classification, this is a submarine (nuclear submarine with cruise missiles), but for convenience, after modernization, it can be called "multipurpose".

According to previously announced data, K-132 will undergo modernization at Zvezda before 2022. And in 2020 they should complete the modernization of the K-442 Chelyabinsk - another submarine of the 949A Antey project. In addition to them, the fleet has six more Anteys, each of which in theory can be upgraded to use the Zircon missile.


By the way, an interesting detail: the first submarine carrier of the Zircon missile is part-time and the oldest submarine of the 949 project: it was adopted by the 1988. In fact, this means that even in the future Antei is seen as one of the main Russian nuclear submarines. Obviously, they intend to exploit it along with the submarines of the last, fourth generation.

Generation f


The fourth generation of submarines is the one to which only the American multi-purpose Sivulf and Virginia now belong, as well as the Russian strategic submarines of Project 955 Borey and the latest multi-purpose submarines of Project 885 Ash. It is the latter that should de facto become the main carrier of the Zircons on the underwater navy. Recall, “Ash” was developed on the basis of projects 705 (K) “Lira”, 971 “Pike-B”: even a purely outwardly submarine is very similar to its ancestors.


The first submarine of the fourth generation in the Russian fleet, armed with Zircon, should be the K-561 Kazan ship. “In the 2020 year of firing by Zircon, as part of the tests of this missile from the surface and underwater position, the multipurpose nuclear submarine of the 885M Kazan project will begin,” a source in the military-industrial complex in March 2019 said to TASS.

There is, however, one “but.” This submarine itself is not yet in the fleet: according to previously announced plans, the Navy intends to transfer it no earlier than the end of the 2020 year. Recall, we are talking about the second submarine of the Ash project and the second submarine of this project, built according to the improved version of Ash-M. It is logical to assume that the Zircon will ultimately receive all eight boats of the 885M project.

Fifth generation and hypersound


Russia may become the first country in the world to receive a fifth-generation submarine. At least for several years now, the media has been actively “exaggerating” the theme of developing a fundamentally new nuclear submarine. In April, a year passed, it became known that the St. Petersburg Maritime Bureau of Engineering "Malachite" completed research work under the code "Husky", designed to determine the appearance of a multipurpose nuclear submarine of the fifth generation and began development work under the code "Laika" to create a boat fifth generation.

The boat will be built according to the usual two-hull architecture customary for domestic shipbuilding: a light external hull and a solid internal one. It will be smaller than the 885 project submarine, and they intend to use the latest materials for it. “These will be ships made of multilayer composite materials,” Valery Polovinkin, adviser to the general director of the Federal State Unitary Enterprise Krylovsky State Scientific Center (KSCC), told Izvestia in 2016. “Composite materials will be used to make hull covers, bow and stern rudders, stabilizers, wheelhouse guards, even propellers and shaft lines.”


The fact that the promising submarine should become the carrier of Zircon missiles has been known for a long time. About this at different times, various sources reported. Another question is when exactly the Russian Federation will have a new submarine. According to the most optimistic forecasts, the boat will be completed by the end of the 2020's. Perhaps, by that time, Zircon is already well established in the Russian fleet. Given the latest statements by officials, this cannot be ruled out. However, one cannot exclude the fact that they (these very statements) do not correspond to reality.

As for the diesel-electric submarines, they clearly decided to save on them. And if they’re armed with Zircons, then in the last turn. “These submarines of the Lada class will be built without an air-independent power plant, because it has not yet been created. The latest Zircon hypersonic missiles will not be armed with these boats either, ”said Admiralty Shipyards General Director Alexander Buzakov in July 2019, commenting on the contract for two LNA 677 project diesel-electric submarines.

Earlier, however, the head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, Alexei Rakhmanov, said the promising non-nuclear submarine Kalina would receive a number of advantages, in particular, it would be armed with the Zircon hypersonic missile system. But it is difficult to say exactly when this submarine will appear (and whether it will appear). Lately News about this boat is almost there.
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  1. 0
    28 November 2019 06: 04
    Zircon has already become the main horror story for US sailors. And what will happen when he really goes into service ?!
    1. -7
      28 November 2019 11: 34
      Quote: Valery Valery
      Zircon has already become the main horror story for US sailors

      in the Russian press!

      А men amerikosy do not even know (about the main horror story)

      Quote: Ilya Legat
      Hypersonic shock. Which of the Russian submarines will receive the Zircons?

      1. How many of those submarines do we have?
      2. How many of those "zircons" we have produced / THE USSR(!!!) in 1988 could produce about 90-100 pieces of "grenades" / ZM-10 in year(!)
      so SS-N-21 cannot be compared in cost to "zircon", and Russia to the USSR in terms of capabilities
      1. -3
        17 January 2020 10: 45
        Quote: opus
        Quote: Valery Valery
        Zircon has already become the main horror story for US sailors

        in the Russian press!

        А men amerikosy do not even know (about the main horror story)

        Quote: Ilya Legat
        Hypersonic shock. Which of the Russian submarines will receive the Zircons?

        1. How many of those submarines do we have?
        2. How many of those "zircons" we have produced / THE USSR(!!!) in 1988 could produce about 90-100 pieces of "grenades" / ZM-10 in year(!)
        so SS-N-21 cannot be compared in cost to "zircon", and Russia to the USSR in terms of capabilities

        Stop whining
        1. -1
          17 January 2020 13: 19
          Quote: brr1
          Stop whining

          stop carrying snowstorm / noodles and stop wadding
          1. -2
            17 January 2020 14: 13
            Quote: opus
            Quote: brr1
            Stop whining

            stop carrying snowstorm / noodles and stop wadding

            Stop peeping, get busy
    2. 0
      29 November 2019 13: 18
      Zircon has already become the main horror story for US sailors.


      Yes, you are a joker, my friend.
  2. +2
    28 November 2019 06: 30
    God forbid, they will complete the tests and will be adopted. And then, let it be at least nearby, at least for myself ....
  3. +2
    28 November 2019 06: 44
    As for DEPL, the decision was right.
    The fleet is extremely important for the rapid saturation of modern ships.
    This means, first of all, the use of already developed solutions and the rejection of expensive systems.
    There are enough problems with the replenishment of the composition.
    1. 0
      2 December 2019 05: 20
      The fleet is extremely important for the rapid saturation of modern ships.

      Most agree with this.
      But it is also important to saturate the fleet with modern weapons.
      Since it’s not very fast to build new ship’s hulls, it’s worth considering the modernization of old ones with modern weapons. Which, in general, is partially happening.
  4. +12
    28 November 2019 07: 16
    Any of our mass public with grandiose plans to regale
  5. +1
    28 November 2019 07: 47
    Hypersonic shock. Which of the Russian submarines will receive the Zircons?

    Those that are needed ... that's the whole answer.
    1. +8
      28 November 2019 08: 51
      In the previous article, Skomorokhov rightly noted that now we are rushing with "calibers", as with what you wrote. And here is the confirmation article, only with "zircons".)))
      1. +2
        28 November 2019 09: 38
        And what is the article? This is a personal opinion, maybe on the basis of a thorough analysis of the situation / events!
        Believe it or not, believe it ...
        What will we have? Just wait and see \ make sure who was right and who was fantasizing.
        Different events take place, and how they are described in the media, cannot be described in a fairy tale or in words.
        TIME, the right criterion, we will evaluate later.
        1. 0
          28 November 2019 13: 25
          I think that your skepticism is not appropriate here ... it is possible that it will be too late to evaluate later ... and no one ...
          Skororokhov in his article very correctly raises the question - how can carriers of zircons and calibers be safely and safely removed not only from bases, but also to the lines of use of these missiles ??? ...
          as an option for "lovers of caps in the air" - by the nostril to drag their AUGs to our coast and shoot from the pier ...
          but it’s better to teleport our SSBNs directly to the Bahamas or Guam ...
          1. +2
            28 November 2019 13: 31
            Quote: kepmor
            Skororokhov in his article very correctly poses the question - how can carriers of zircons and calibers be safely and safely removed not only from bases, but also to the lines of use of these missiles ??? ..

            And this ALREADY DISCUSSED, recently and without any skepticism.
            The article was about the imbalance of our submarine and surface fleet! They said everything and everyone who thought up something or knows!
            So what did you want to tell me, new?
      2. +2
        28 November 2019 13: 28
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        In the previous article, Skomorokhov rightly noted that now we are rushing with "calibers", as with what you wrote.

        =======
        And what, Skomorokhov has already become "the ultimate truth"??? request
        Once Skomorokhov wrote - then "the way it is" ??? fool
  6. -2
    28 November 2019 07: 54
    Any military and state secrets. With a guarantee. Inexpensive. Promptly. Qualitatively. 100% prepayment. Rubles, dollars, euros. We love everything.
    Topwar.ru.
    1. -7
      28 November 2019 13: 46
      Quote: sergo1914
      Any military and state secrets. With a guarantee. Inexpensive. Promptly. Qualitatively. 100% prepayment. Rubles, dollars, euros. We love everything.
      Topwar.ru.

      mmm ..
      just imagine how you scribble denunciations "where necessary"!

      then it will be necessary:
      1. 0
        28 November 2019 13: 55
        Quote: opus
        Quote: sergo1914
        Any military and state secrets. With a guarantee. Inexpensive. Promptly. Qualitatively. 100% prepayment. Rubles, dollars, euros. We love everything.
        Topwar.ru.

        mmm ..
        just imagine how you scribble denunciations "where necessary"!

        then it will be necessary:


        If I were to make denunciations, I would not leave such comments here. And you, I look, have ready-made cliches for all occasions? Thrifty.
        1. -7
          28 November 2019 18: 00
          Quote: sergo1914
          If I were to make denunciations, I would not leave such comments here.

          So try. Knock on me: the Cerberus go nuts a bit, they won’t immediately send you, but they will put a gray mark on you.
          Quote: sergo1914
          Any military and state secrets.

          to consider the frankly dead article "about nothing" by comrade Ilya Legat as some kind of "military and state secret"?
          What follows is an untranslatable pun using local idiomatic expressions ....
          And you, I look, have ready-made cliches for all occasions?

          what purpose are you interested in?
          1. -2
            28 November 2019 18: 21
            Quote: opus
            So try. Knock on me: the Cerberus go nuts a bit, they won’t immediately send you, but they will put a gray mark on you.


            There are two points.
            1) Have you ever heard a joke about the “Elusive Joe”?
            2) dream of being captured by cerberus? Such fantasies? Duc, this is not for me. This is for other professionals.
  7. 0
    28 November 2019 08: 58
    The most important thing here is universal launchers, common for the entire arsenal of the Kyrgyz Republic. And it is necessary to equip Zircon, first of all, with the most quiet and modern boats, because The main goal is AUG. For the rest, the usefulness of zircon is doubtful, except with YBCh. And Antei, it seems to me, is better to equip with Caliber.
  8. -1
    28 November 2019 10: 11
    Which, according to journalists, the military and the head of state,

    You can also believe the articles of Mr. Legat.
  9. +5
    28 November 2019 10: 12
    Twin-screw "Batons" with a displacement of 24 kilotons and single-screw "Ash" with a displacement of 13 kilotons, both with a steel hull, are detected at the expense of all known means of PLO.

    A single-rotor titanium nuclear submarine of the Laika type with a displacement of ~ 1 kiloton with a nuclear power plant from the NPA Poseidon, a circular MHD pump and full electromotion at low speed due to a thermionic generator in the heat exchanger of the first / second cooling circuits of the reactor ...
    1. 0
      28 November 2019 10: 57
      Quote: Operator
      show up at times count

      And tanks are not omnipotent, and invisible planes exist only in the imagination. It all depends on the performance characteristics of the Zircons, which have not yet been clearly voiced. It may not be necessary to enter the PLO KUG / AUG zone. But the "baton" will be able to provide a stellar raid, and then someone will survive to expand the search area or not ...
      1. +7
        28 November 2019 11: 25
        You are right in the part of the PLO KUG and AUG zones of a potential enemy, the boundaries of which are less than the range of the Zircon GKR (1000 km).

        However, Russian nuclear submarines will also need to enter the zone of the coastal anti-aircraft missile system of North America to defeat priority land targets with a flight time of 6 minutes: government residences, military command centers and naval naval bases (as a functional analogue of the American infantry-naval regiment planned to be deployed in Europe).

        Depths of 1000 km in the coastal marine zone of North America contribute to the detection of nuclear submarines, including by means of radar detection of an elliptical standing wave on the sea surface and magnetometric detection of symmetrical perturbations of the magnetic field from the movement of underwater vehicles using PLO aircraft, the number of which in the USA and Canada is about 300 units. Plus coastal and shipborne sonar sound suppression means.

        Therefore, minimization of more than an order of physical fields in promising small-sized Russian nuclear submarines should only be welcomed.
        1. 0
          28 November 2019 11: 42
          Quote: Operator
          minimization of more than an order of physical fields in promising small-sized Russian nuclear submarines

          About this not only our head hurts. Provide a continuous guaranteed PLO in the near-1000th zone ... You can throw as many statements about "cheap" buoys and sensors as you like, but a 12-14-digit calculator will definitely not be enough for you to discuss this matter.
          1. +7
            28 November 2019 11: 58
            300 anti-submarine aircraft with side-view radar and a quantum magnetometer on board are enough to cover the Atlantic and Pacific coast of North America in a 7x24 mode, regardless of weather conditions.

            Another thing is that in this case, the basic anti-submarine aviation will not be enough to cover the transatlantic and trans-Pacific convoys, but, as is known from the classics: "Nobody promised to feed on the road" (C) bully
        2. +2
          28 November 2019 22: 03
          Quote: Operator
          Therefore, minimization of more than an order of physical fields in promising small-sized Russian nuclear submarines should only be welcomed.

          The key word in your offer is SMALL. And how many "Zircons" will fit into a nuclear submarine with a displacement of 1000 tons (!!!)? This is much less than "Varshavyanka" and "Lada" ... And what would such a "Laika" do?
          No, in the coastal zone or there with torpedoes to chase someone ... well, there are several "Caliber" pieces to the detriment of torpedoes ... But "Zircon" is the largest, its dimensions are not less than "Onyx". So how many Zircons will go into this little one? And how many of these "Laeks" will need to be built and brought to the line of attack in order to cause unacceptable damage to a very likely enemy?

          But one loaf with 72 missiles on board can cause such damage. And, if necessary, will add up to fifteen "Calibers" from torpedo tubes.
          And one "Ash" with a volley of 40 "Zircons" will also cause. And "Caliber" can also add.
          And "Borey-K" with a salvo of 112 "Zircons" and Co., and the addition of torpedo tubes will also be able to. And even very well can. There is definitely enough for one of the coasts.
          Even the likely future "Kalina" with its 10 UVP and an additive from TA (up to ten) will also be able to indicate its attitude to this uniform disgrace, although not as weighty as colleagues.
          And what can present submarines with a displacement of 1000 tons? request
          What ?!
          Four "horses in a coat"?
          Go ahead and it won’t fit. It is also necessary to leave torpedoes for self-defense / attack of submarine and surface ships of the enemy ...
          But the price tag for such a program "Laka" will be very, very beautiful.

          No, such a boat is needed. But not as a carrier of "Zircons", but as an analogue of the former "Lear" and "Shchuk-B" - a hunter for enemy submarine and surface ships. And 1000 tons of displacement will not be enough for him - it is not unarmed for him to chase enemies. Another thousand - one and a half will have to be thrown to balance desires and possibilities.
          And the guys of the corresponding complex will be smashing the fleets, bases and continent of the enemy. With the appropriate ammunition, both in size and in the quality of the contents in it.
          bully
          1. +8
            28 November 2019 22: 48
            It has been said: submarine gigantomania will no longer work - aviation radars / magnetometers have turned 10-20 kiloton submarines into Christmas trees in the ocean. Therefore, it is time to return to harsh reality with 1 kiloton nuclear submarine Laika and 40 ton nuclear submarine Poseidon.

            As for the ammunition capacity of 1 kiloton submarine: the Soviet submarine of the "C" series took on board 12 torpedoes, the mass-dimensional parameters of which correspond to the GKR "Zircon". If we take into account the reduction of the crew from 45 to 5 people (as in a strategic bomber) and the absence of a lead-acid storage battery, the total ammunition of Laika can be estimated at 24 torpedoes and missiles.

            And the number of targets hit by missiles will be determined by the mass character of the Laek series - for example, in the amount of 100 units, which in monetary terms will be equivalent to 10 Ash trees or 5 Anteyas.

            PS The volume of serial production of Poseidon missiles can be estimated at 1280 units based on the production costs of eight Boreis with 1280 SLBMs (the total capacity of 100 Mtn Poseidon warheads will be four times the aggregate capacity of SLBM warheads).
            1. 0
              29 November 2019 00: 55
              It will not be possible to ram 1000 torpedoes in a 24 ton boat (this is the ammunition load of the large nuclear submarines "Shchuka-B", a loaf, etc.), if 12 will fit well.
              But the caliber of the torpedoes is 533 mm. For "Caliber" it will just be, but for "Zircon" and "Onyx" it is a bit cramped, there is a completely different caliber. The torpedo tube is not the UKSK. And the mass of "Zircon" is two \ two and a half times more than "Caliber" - up to 4 tons. But this is an extrapolation, we will not know the exact numbers soon. So you will have to bridge torpedo tubes of two calibers on your "Like" 1000 tons. Well, the ammunition will decrease. Let's say 6 torpedoes and 4 conventional "Zircon".
              Is an atomic (!) Boat worth such ammunition? And what will she fight them with?
              I am sure that yours will not. No offense, but no one will take drastic measures like yours. It will be not instead of, but together, when each type of ships will perform its own task peculiar to it. And if a new reincarnation of "Lyra" does appear, it will be a hunter, like mom, and not a multifunctional drummer.
              And "Poseidons" will be, because the carriers for them are being completed. Yes, and surface ships are trained to launch them ... that means there will be Poseidons.
              But this year, MO ordered two more "Boreas" with the letter K - carriers of the CD in the launch tubes. For 112 CR they have a good arsenal. And two more are going to order in the near future.
              What do you think, what is MO?
              And the additional "Ash", also additional ordered?
              And the modernization of 941?
              Do you think this is stupid?
              Throw everything and start building something for which there is no project?
              On a crazy scale?
              I'm more worried about the anti-submarine forces of the fleet. Rather, their absence is almost complete. This is what we need to put in the effort in the very near future. And the time of the "Husky" and the hypothetical "Laika" will come after the implementation of the current programs for the construction of multipurpose nuclear submarines and SSBNs, in the next shipbuilding program.
              1. +4
                29 November 2019 09: 56
                The sooner the Russian Navy becomes ill with gigantomania in the submarine area, the better - apparently this will happen after the launch of the Poseidon and Laika nuclear submarine into series.

                The first is valuable for its self-sufficiency - its 100-MT warhead in the amount of ~ 1000 units allows without the participation of other components of the strategic nuclear forces of the Russian Federation to wipe all countries of the world together and separately (except for those without access to the ocean such as Peru, Bolivia, the Central African Republic, Mali, Niger, Nepal, etc.)

                The second is valuable in its number (~ 100 units) and secrecy, which will allow crushing less numerous and secretive nuclear submarines of potential opponents, as well as the short flying time of cruise missiles (6 minutes), which will allow hitting command centers and the USAG at the very beginning of hostilities.
    2. -1
      28 November 2019 11: 22
      Vi 1000 tons with a nuclear propulsion? When will it be?
      1. +9
        28 November 2019 11: 29
        Half a century ago, the domestic nuclear submarine "Lira" with a displacement of 3 kilotons with a similar type of nuclear reactor was put into serial production.
        1. -1
          28 November 2019 11: 34
          Only three times the difference in volume.
          1. +8
            28 November 2019 11: 38
            Just a half-century difference in development.
      2. 0
        29 November 2019 13: 15
        You can do it even now, it would be why.
        1. -1
          29 November 2019 15: 18
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          You can do it even now, it would be why.

          The point is in expediency.
  10. +5
    28 November 2019 10: 23
    As you got tired .. Zircon ,, it is not there yet, but all the websites related to armament are simply littered with Wishlist and fiction. Well, just not seriously.
  11. +1
    28 November 2019 13: 51
    Today, the Husky is only on paper, so if the Zircon passes the full test cycle in the near future, they need to arm the ships already in service and those that are currently under construction ...
  12. +1
    28 November 2019 13: 51
    Today, the Husky is only on paper, so if the Zircon passes the full test cycle in the near future, they need to arm the ships already in service, during repair and modernization, and those that are currently under construction ...
  13. +1
    29 November 2019 11: 13
    Hypersonic missiles are certainly good. But in the Navy, a complete blockage with modern torpedo weapons. It would be nice to put something really modern in mass production.
    1. 0
      30 November 2019 18: 19
      Quote: mik193
      But in the Navy, a complete blockage with modern torpedo weapons.
      why is that ? What's wrong with the products - UGST, "Physicist" and "Case" (although somewhere, I came across an opinion that this is practically the same product) ?!
      Quote: mik193
      It would be nice to put something really modern in mass production.
      What prevents this (in your opinion). There is an opinion that in terms of their performance characteristics the products - UGST, "Physicist", allegedly are not inferior to the American Mk-48 ?! This is true ?!
      1. 0
        30 November 2019 18: 48
        As for performance characteristics - in the open press they say that they are not inferior. As a matter of fact - I do not know. They write that "Physicist" began to enter the fleet since last year, but in very small quantities. The Mk-48 torpedo is a really good proven torpedo.
        And what hinders serial production is a long question. This throwing developers - what kind of torpedo is needed - thermal or electric, and the general collapse of the industry in the 80s and 90s has not yet been restored, and throwing the customer’s leadership (Navy), etc. etc. Clearly, only one dual-purpose thermal remote-control 53-cm torpedo with remote control is needed as air.
        And what kind of mess is going on in the creation and production of torpedoes - for example, an article. https://topwar.ru/156811-arkticheskij-torpednyj-skandal.html
  14. 0
    29 November 2019 13: 15
    The boat will be built according to the usual two-hull architecture customary for domestic shipbuilding: a light external hull and a solid internal one.


    Hello popalovo under low-frequency illumination. If the truth is about double-hulled architecture, then it's time to introduce the death penalty in the country.

    However, I have doubts.
    1. 0
      30 November 2019 16: 02
      Quote: timokhin-aa
      Hello popalovo under low-frequency illumination. If the truth is about double-hulled architecture, then it's time to introduce the death penalty in the country.
      I apologize, but what, one and a half hull boats are less noticeable under low-frequency illumination, and in other ways ?!
      1. 0
        30 November 2019 17: 01
        Do you know where this one and a half buildings came from? The shipbuilding industry was implementing the backlog from unpaid but partially built boats of old projects. And here we have three pike compartments, right now we will weld to half of the new boat and turn our money back. And the fact that a "one and a half hull" boat will turn out does not care - there will be no war anyway.

        Noticeable also for sure.
        1. 0
          30 November 2019 17: 59
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          Noticeable also for sure.
          ?! Then why exactlyYou wrote above -
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          Hello popalovo under low-frequency illumination. If the truth is about double-hulled architecture, then it's time to introduce the death penalty in the country.
          !? This is what suggested that, for detection, there is some difference between one and a half and two-hull submarines (this was the curiosity of the amateur).
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          Do you know where this one and a half buildings came from?
          how does the layman know about this ...
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          And what a "one-and-a-half-hull" boat does not care
          those. You say that this is more a disadvantage than a dignity ?!
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          war will not be all the same.
          Ah, how I would like to believe !! But unfortunately, here and there, but always somewhere on Earth and indeed blazes. A closer look reveals that countries "giants" (perhaps for the purpose of advertising their own defense industry), but then they are measured by forces constantly - (i.e., conduct natural tests of their weapons in areas remote from their countries "third world") And I admit completely that this is happening, just for "push ups" each other, potential buyers, for their weapons systems, in the global market ?! Tell me - am I mistaken ?!
  15. 0
    14 January 2020 10: 18
    How not to recall V. Mayakovsky here: "I love our plans in gravity, the sweep of sazhen steps!"