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“Russia must too”: German authors for reparations from Germany to Poland

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“Russia must too”: German authors for reparations from Germany to Poland

The German government considers the reparation problem to be finally and irrevocably resolved: Germany owes neither Poland nor Greece for the damage caused by the Nazi regime during the Second World War. However, a number of German authors disagree with this point of view, calling for Russia to be included in the solution of this issue.

Claims are wealthy


The official position of Berlin is called the "legally unreasonable and irresponsible" historians Karl-Heinz Roth and Hartmuf Ruebner. This is written by the largest German daily newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung.

As the author of the material, Stefan Lechnstaedt, who examined their work, notes, Poland still has not named the amount of damage inflicted by Germany, "which is responsible for the killings and destruction in World War II." Parliament is trying to figure out the amount of damage, operating in numbers from 800 billions of euros to more than two trillion.

According to historians, the refusal of the NDP in 1953 from reparations concerned only the GDR, but not a unified Germany. The Two Plus Four Agreement of the 1990 of the year finally settled only the German question, which provides grounds for making claims from other countries.


Wehrmacht soldier after a street battle in Novorossiysk. 1943 year (s) worldwartwo.filminspector.com


Price of the dead


One of the sources of reparations may be compensation for the dead Poles. According to the authors, the country's human losses amount to 6,03 million people, of which 300 thousand were "killed" by the USSR, and 5,7 million - by the Reich.

But more important is the question of how much the dead man costs - and in accordance with international law, 5000 dollars are assigned for this as of the 1938 year [...] The value of human life cannot be estimated. But there is no better solution

- writes the edition.

According to historians, if we take into account not only losses from German crimes, but also the exploitation of labor resources and destruction, for Poland this amount will amount to 1 182 billion euros. Across Europe, it is described by a figure of more than 7 515 billion euros - mainly because of the "monstrous scale of destruction in the Soviet Union." Based on the previous payments, Berlin owes Warsaw at least 87% of 1,2 trillion. Euro.

Germany killed millions of people, destroyed their livelihoods and plundered their culture. But it will cost her relatively cheap

- consider historians who advocate doubling the amount in this regard.

They believe that it is necessary to exert powerful international pressure on Berlin. Therefore, it is necessary to consolidate in this matter with other affected countries. Particular emphasis should be placed on cooperation with Russia, which should be attracted to the solution of this issue, German historians say.
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  1. vkl.47
    vkl.47 28 November 2019 01: 36
    -7
    I answer to German leaders ... "but ho-ho not ho-ho ?!"
    1. Shurik70
      Shurik70 28 November 2019 07: 36
      +20
      Yes, if you pay for all the dead, Germany will not pay for hundreds more generations.
      The Second World War is over. All! The political situation managed to change several times.
      Today's Germany is not the kind of Germany that started the war. Other countries are also not the same.
      No one owes nothing to nobody.
      The results are summed up. The then countries agreed with this. You can not replay the results.
      It’s impossible to forget. But it is also impossible to replay.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 28 November 2019 07: 53
        +1
        I agree to help the Poles in obtaining reparations from Germany - for a trifle - they will give southern Prussia to us
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 28 November 2019 11: 14
        -3
        Quote: Shurik70
        Yes, if you pay for all the dead, Germany will not pay for hundreds more generations.

        It should be so
        Quote: Shurik70
        The Second World War is over. All! The political situation managed to change several times.

        No, it’s not over: SUCH wars never end.

        Its damage-until these times can not be accurately estimated, so how can you close the question in 1945-47?

        The USSR received reparations already ....4 (!) Percent from the volume of the mat. losses. And the people ?!

        No, you cannot forgive and close. And all these forgiven in favor of the politics of Hungary, Romania, Germany must work hard for several generations and pay, pay, pay!
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 28 November 2019 12: 54
          +3
          Quote: Olgovich
          you cannot forgive and close

          If Russia helps the Poles to receive reparations from Germany for the 2nd World War, Russia will have to pay a lot. For example, for Narva to the Swedes. On the same World War 2, the Japanese will get a new argument about the islands - with Germany, the results were revised, why not reconsider with the Japanese.
          IN THE INTERNATIONAL POLICY SHOULD BE A RULE - IF THE AGREEMENT SIGNED, IT SHOULD BE FULFILLED. Otherwise, the whole world will become what is happening in Syria. Everyone is at war with everyone. When everyone believes that he owes nothing to anyone, then everyone owes him.
          The results after the war were summed up - that's it! Not subject to revision.
    2. Azazelo
      Azazelo 28 November 2019 08: 21
      +7
      Actually, for all that the united Europe has done under the leadership of Hitler, they all had to be buried at one time .... but right now, then what ...
    3. Pivot
      Pivot 28 November 2019 10: 22
      +5
      The Russians have such an expression “They don’t wave their fists after the fight”, it seems to the Poles that it is not known.
  2. Al Asad
    Al Asad 28 November 2019 01: 46
    +1
    Farce
    Everyone understands that present-day Germany will not pay anything.
    75 years later, Merkel agreed that almost everyone except Germany was to blame for the split in the German Democratic Republic and the Federal Republic of Germany.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 28 November 2019 04: 08
      +3
      It is necessary to raise the issue of reparations from Mongolia for the Tatar-Mongol invasion, for the atrocities of Genghis Khan, many ruined souls and tremendous economic damage. hi
      1. svp67
        svp67 28 November 2019 04: 13
        +8
        Quote: bessmertniy
        It is necessary to raise the issue of reparations from Mongolia for the Tatar-Mongol invasion, for the atrocities of Genghis Khan, many ruined souls and tremendous economic damage.

        Useless. Ukraine has already tried ...
        1. maidan.izrailovich
          maidan.izrailovich 28 November 2019 06: 18
          +18
          Useless. Ukraine has already tried ...

          Ukraine has not proved succession.
          The Mongols said: we know Russians, but who are the Ukrainians?
          1. svp67
            svp67 28 November 2019 08: 24
            +8
            Quote: maidan.izrailovich
            The Mongols said: we know Russians, but who are the Ukrainians?

            Everything is cooler there ... the Mongols asked to give the names of the victims and the damage suffered
          2. MARGADON
            MARGADON 28 November 2019 08: 25
            +2
            No, they asked for the lists of the dead.
      2. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 28 November 2019 08: 49
        +7
        Mongolia was the first to start helping us in the war with the Germans free of charge
  3. Far B
    Far B 28 November 2019 02: 04
    +9
    From Poland, in this case, the damage caused to Germany as a result of the transfer to the Poles (followed by the eviction of the German population) of the lands of Silesia, Danzig and part of East Prussia should be deducted. Well, if you give out all the sisters earrings ... It seems that the amount of reparations can be drastically reduced. And then to wobble in the other direction - after all, Silesia and Danzig, despite the destruction, were industrially highly developed areas.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 28 November 2019 11: 19
      -2
      Quote: Dalny V
      From Poland, in this case, the damage caused to Germany in result of transfer to the Poles (followed by the eviction of the German population) of the lands of Silesia, Danzig and parts of East Prussia.

      with what fright?

      Lands transferred for FREE - to punish the aggressor.

      Are you going to pay for Koenigsberg too?
      1. Far B
        Far B 29 November 2019 01: 24
        0
        Well, damn it, you give.
        Lands transferred for FREE - to punish the aggressor.
        Firstly, the issue of reparations to Poland was closed back in the 50s. Secondly, if Poland raises this issue again, then it can also be FREE for review - and subtract from the amount required by the Poles
        damage caused to Germany as a result of the transfer to the Poles (followed by the eviction of the German population) of the lands of Silesia, Danzig and parts of East Prussia.
        Or do you not understand the phrase "all sisters by earrings"? Or is it wrong with your logic?
        Are you going to pay for Koenigsberg too?
        To throw such accusations to me, it is necessary, at a minimum, for Russia to raise the issue of reparations (and for me to indicate it in my previous post). But does Russia raise the issue of reparations? No. Yes, this is unrealistic - in terms of the current rate of banknotes, Germany will have a total of a thousand years to us in total slavery for the damage caused in WWII. No, you definitely have the wrong logic.
        Are you trying to catch Hype, accusing your opponent of what you yourself have come up with? It's kind of embarrassing for you. Tense.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 29 November 2019 10: 10
          -3
          Quote: Dalny V
          Well, damn it, you give.
          Lands transferred for FREE - to punish the aggressor.
          Firstly, the issue of reparations to Poland was closed back in the 50s. Secondly, if Poland raises this issue again, then it’s FREE can also be reviewed - and subtract from the amount required by the Poles

          What a fright, damn it?
          Is the value of these lands indicated somewhere in the calculation of reparations? No?
          So what is the conversation about?

          1. Punished, cut off the land.
          2. Reparation-reimbursement of losses (see dictionary)
          Quote: Dalny V
          Or do you not understand the phrase "all sisters by earrings"? Or is it wrong with your logic?

          And where do you see ... "logic" at home? belay
          Quote: Dalny V
          To throw such accusations to me, it is necessary, at a minimum, for Russia to raise the issue of reparations (and for me to indicate it in my previous post).

          The concepts of logic, analogy, are not familiar?
          Quote: Dalny V
          Yes, this is unrealistic - in terms of the current rate of banknotes, Germany will have a total of a thousand years to us in total slavery for the damage caused in WWII.

          And?
          Quote: Dalny V
          No, you definitely have the wrong logic.

          belay Do you even read yourself? It feels like no ...
          Quote: Dalny V
          Hype trying to catchaccusing the opponent of what they themselves came up with?

          belay "In my house, I will ask not express oneself!" (from) lol
          Quote: Dalny V
          It's kind of embarrassing for you. Tense.

          Evaluation of such authority is something, yes ..... lol
  4. Alien From
    Alien From 28 November 2019 02: 30
    +2
    Pans have completely lost fear and conscience! No wonder the Nazis hated them, oh no wonder !!! And, let’s pay attention, as soon as the lords feel the force behind themselves, they again want to step on the same rake !!!! It is not clear to the fools, the Russian land, down to their every birch (I will be tolerant) ...... !!!!!
    1. GRF
      GRF 28 November 2019 04: 31
      +6
      Quote: Alien From
      Pans have completely lost fear and conscience! No wonder the Nazis hated them, oh no wonder !!! And, let’s pay attention, as soon as the lords feel the force behind themselves, they again want to step on the same rake !!!! It is not clear to the fools, the Russian land, down to their every birch (I will be tolerant) ...... !!!!!

      are these German historians disguised pans?
      but even so, where does the Russian land?
      It seems to me that you are too tolerant, because of which, probably, you are reading the article so inattentively ...
  5. Same lech
    Same lech 28 November 2019 02: 43
    +17
    Poland is one of the culprits of the outbreak of World War II ... by taking a direct part in the Munich agreement with Germany in the division of Czechoslovakia.
    Therefore, it would be good for Russia to present Poland with its bill for this.
    1. Den717
      Den717 28 November 2019 07: 55
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Therefore, it would be good for Russia to present Poland with its bill for this.

      And also for the participation of half a million Polish citizens in the war as part of the units of the Wehrmacht and the SS.
  6. Etsma
    Etsma 28 November 2019 03: 09
    +2
    Freeloaders gathered around Russia, those that were once part of the USSR. Accustomed to correct their affairs at the expense of others. From the border, only Kazakhstan has become more or less self-sufficient. Just note, this is just my opinion. The rest are looking for freebies.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 28 November 2019 04: 11
      +2
      Kazakhstan is also looking for a freebie, but hopes more for American and Chinese freebies.
    2. GRF
      GRF 28 November 2019 04: 42
      0
      Quote: etsma
      Freeloaders gathered around Russia, those that were once part of the USSR. Accustomed to correct their affairs at the expense of others. From the border, only Kazakhstan has become more or less self-sufficient. Just note, this is just my opinion. The rest are looking for freebies.

      to search this way is also work ...
      the fact that there can be a disproportionate reward for such work is business, and whoever has more in it lives better.
      and for us the problem is how to use such mutually ...
  7. Nikolai Grek
    Nikolai Grek 28 November 2019 03: 28
    +8
    Poland will play out either to the extent that it will be added to the organizers of WWII for the division of Czechoslovakia in alliance with the Nazis, or to another section, which will be final and ... not subject to appeal !!! am wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing extremely disgusting country, with the same leaders ... well, the question arises about the population ... it’s not from Mars that they write this scum for the presidency and other governing trash !! wassat lol lol lol
    1. novel66
      novel66 28 November 2019 07: 51
      +2
      Kohl hi the proverb fits well here: "Meli Emelya, your week!" fuck who will pay what to whom, and tryndet is not to roll bags
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 28 November 2019 18: 53
        +2
        Quote: novel xnumx
        Kohl hi the proverb fits well here: "Meli Emelya, your week!" fuck who will pay what to whom, and tryndet is not to roll bags

        if only chatting ... how many monuments to our liberators they have already demolished !!! am am am to pampering well with history will not bring !!! next time, do not release anyone ... in a pinch, release with the subsequent eviction of the entire dubious contingent !!! feel wassat wassat lol lol lol
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 28 November 2019 14: 36
      +2
      For nothing, perhaps Winnie the Pooh described Poland as the "Hyena of Europe". If it is so, then there is nothing to add to this. request
  8. apro
    apro 28 November 2019 03: 47
    +1
    Unfortunately, this problem has no solution. Too much has changed in a relatively short historical period. The USSR made its final decision on reparations for its political goals. This is the goal of creating a socialesthetic community in the confrontation with the imperialists. And Germany did not take the last place in this confrontation. But the collapse The USSR devalued all these agreements. But the victory of the imperialists does not aim to revise the past in order to satisfy small satellites. But a blow to the territory of Russia from the position of the equation of responsibility with the Hitlerite Reich of the USSR may be sensitive to puppets from the Kremlin. Their position is too shaky ...
  9. Thrifty
    Thrifty 28 November 2019 05: 41
    +2
    The Germans also need to involve in the payments of compensation to our country all those countries that fought together with Nazi Germany against the Soviet Union - Finland, Hungary, Romania, Italy. ..- jointly let them decide who is obliged to pay and how much! They did not come to us for tea, fought, killed, destroyed our cities - so let them also be responsible "jointly" for their actions.
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 28 November 2019 06: 20
    +2
    Particular emphasis should be placed on cooperation with Russia, which should be involved in resolving this issue.
    Cunningly. When the question raised by German historians is practically not solved, then why not bring Russia to the solution, which as a part of the USSR suffered more significant losses and damage than the Poles. With the Poles it’s clear, because those as well as Ukrainians are looking for any opportunity to tear money from someone. Do not forget that the Poles have already accused Russia of the fact that the USSR did not allow them to receive a larger sum from the Germans than was paid as reparations. It is doubtful that Russia would be seduced by such an offer, and Germany paid something additional to the Poles.
  11. maidan.izrailovich
    maidan.izrailovich 28 November 2019 06: 23
    +2
    Once such a "booze" has gone .... then it will not be superfluous and Russia to make claims to Poland for the damage caused during the Russian-Polish war of 1609-1618. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian-Polish_war_(1609-1618)
    And for the invasion of Napoleon, so in general you can bill for half of Europe. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_armia#National_composition_Great_army
  12. Kerensky
    Kerensky 28 November 2019 07: 11
    +2
    This is written by the largest German daily newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung.

    And what does he write about?
    The official position of Berlin is called the "legally unreasonable and irresponsible" historians Karl-Heinz Roth and Hartmuf Ruebner.

    Time. And two:
    As the author of the material, Stefan Lechnstaedt, who examined their work, notes that Poland still has not named the amount of damage caused by Germany,

    All. What are we discussing? Already Ukraine dragged ....
  13. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 28 November 2019 07: 57
    +5
    No reparations will replace the people who died in this war. And the most disgusting thing in this situation was that it was in the countries that were freed from the brown plague that they completely forgot who did it ...
    And in Germany they remember the victory of the Red Army ...
  14. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 28 November 2019 08: 10
    +4
    A little off topic, but wanted to share some thoughts.
    I didn't lump everything together. It seemed that someone very "familiar" was looking:

    And when he began to peer, he was not at all. He was without glasses and with a rifle, and this one with glasses and a microphone ... request

    Surely, the theme of reparations to investors inspired ...
  15. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 28 November 2019 08: 31
    0
    Is it worth it to rewrite history?
    Poland itself violated the treaty, Poland took the Wehrmacht soldier to its territory, and Polish soldiers as part of the Nazi army took part in Poland itself as we remember, concentration camps were built and the Poles themselves mocked the prisoners for the most part, and rewrite history to erase it from memory. that the Poles are not to blame for the genocide.
    At all times, Poland historically created many problems for Russia, all the troubles from Poland, at all times, communications and aiding fascism, the imperial manners of Poland simply cut consciousness in the remaking of history!
  16. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 28 November 2019 08: 51
    0
    Sew a large such button on the forehead to the Poles on the forehead in order to fasten the lip. And then they rolled it to the knees, or even lower
  17. MoJloT
    MoJloT 28 November 2019 09: 29
    0
    In Poland with France, Leyksner clearly did not see this.
  18. kupitman
    kupitman 28 November 2019 10: 34
    -1
    Freeloaders still can not leave Germany alone. Soon, Ukrainians will apply themselves. and there is not far to the zmagars.
  19. Leonid Bailov
    Leonid Bailov 28 November 2019 10: 58
    +1
    Most of the dead Polish citizens are Polish Jews. Their relatives, for the most part, live in Israel. Poles want to do business on the perished Jews. And when did the USSR manage to destroy 300 thousand Poles ?! Or like in Katyn? Three NKVD officers, in a couple of days, "shot" 10 Poles.!
    1. Stone
      Stone 28 November 2019 13: 21
      0
      In 2010, Russian President Dmitry A. Medvedev noted: “The Katyn tragedy is a consequence of the crime of I. Stalin and a number of his minions. The position of the Russian state on this issue has long been formulated and remains unchanged. "
      1. Stone
        Stone 28 November 2019 13: 22
        0
        On November 26, 2010, the Russian State Duma adopted a statement “On the Katyn tragedy and its victims,” which acknowledges that the mass shooting of Polish citizens in Katyn was carried out according to the direct instructions of Stalin and other Soviet leaders and is a crime of the Stalin regime.
      2. Leonid Bailov
        Leonid Bailov 29 November 2019 15: 17
        0
        Well, Medvedev is yes! Authority! He also noted that everything is in order in the Russian economy. Yes, and our Duma is perfect. You still remember Gorbachev. Also an honest and decent statesman.
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  21. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 28 November 2019 20: 21
    +1
    So I did not understand - present Poland considers itself the legal successor of the NDP or the Second Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
    If the first - then to hell on her snout. And if the second - then if you please, first return Slesien to Germany, you did not have it before 1945.