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The situation around the testing of the Turkish C-400 radar is becoming more detailed. The shadow role of F-16C and F-35A

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Once again, information is confirmed that the implementation of a contract between Rosoboronexport and the Turkish defense department for the supply of four C-400 anti-aircraft missile divisions by the Turkish Air Force may entail a number of negative consequences for the combat stability of the Navy and anti-aircraft missile regiments -Rocket troops of the Russian Aerospace Forces, which have both the Triumph air defense system and the earlier complexes of the C-300PS and PM1 / PM2 families. As for the compelling justification for such a disappointing conclusion, they began to appear in the "arsenal" of patriotic observers of domestic military analytical portals and expert circles over the past two weeks of November 2019.


What is the risk of running the Turkish Triumphs on the Falcons and Lightnings II? The Pentagon in search of the Achilles heel C-400


It was during this period that the head of the Turkish defense department, Hulusi Akar, announced the launch of a network-centric linking program (establishing a single secure channel for exchanging information about tactical air conditions) between the recently purchased “four hundred” and multi-functional fighter 5-generation F-35A, and the governor of the capital, silt Ankara Vasip Sahin announced the start of field tests of radar facilities of one of the S-400 divisions using Turkish F-16C Block 50 + and F-4E as targets of the conditional counter ka.

In the latter case, even against the background of a pretense of concern expressed by the head of the US State Department, Mike Pompeo, in connection with the tests of the C-400 radars to detect the F-16C and F-4E, the Turkish Defense Ministry (together with experts from the Pentagon and the US Air Force) did not pay any significant dividends will receive. These tests will only conclusively confirm the ability of 96X6 centimeter-range detectors and 92X6E radar and guidance radars to detect and permanently tie in low-altitude air attack means at a distance of 30-35 km against the background of the radio horizon and ground waves (even in conditions of radio-horizon and ground waves (even in conditions of electromagnetic radiation and ground waves (even in conditions of electromagnetic radiation and ground waves) (even natural objects of the terrain).

After all, it is well known that, for example, the angular scanning sector of the 96L6Е high-altitude detector is from -3 to + 60 °. It is the 3-degree lowering of the scanning beam in combination with the noise-resistant passive headlight of a centimeter C-band, an advanced high-performance radar information processing device and the universal 40В6М / МD tower that allows the 96Л6 BBO to process such complex low-altitude airborne objects against the background of natural interference. A similar picture is fully valid not only with respect to all-height detectors (BBO) 96X6Е, but also to more highly specialized and high-energy illuminating and pointing radars 92Н6Е, the antenna posts of which are also adapted for placing on the towers 40В6МД that have 10000 times more than the “Patriot” multi-functional radars of the AN / MPQ-2 / 53 family.

The only parameter of the 92H6E radar that Turkish and American experts could attempt to determine during the tests of C-400 air defense radar systems using the F-16C Block 50 + is the stability of tracking the target of a conditional enemy without losing “capture” during the implementation of the Falcon’s energy maneuver »With the simultaneous shooting of dipole reflectors and the use of suspended container complexes of radio resistance AN / ALQ-211 (V) 9 AIDEWS. Nevertheless, in this case, any positive surprises for specialists from the Pentagon and the US Air Force Research Laboratory were unlikely to be, because the AN / ALQ-211 (V) 9 electronic warfare complex could not be included in the list of promising funds electronic countermeasures in view of equipping obsolete emitters based on slit antenna arrays, unable to form a high-energy directional "interference beam" capable of pinpoint suppressing modern radar illumination and guidance based on PFAR.

Another thing is the use as targets of a conditional adversary of two multifunctional 5-generation fighters F-35A, which were transferred to combat units of the Air Force of the Republic of Turkey in the summer of 2018, shortly before the active phase of the outbreak of the US-Turkish military-political crisis with delivery of Ankara S-400 air defense systems.

Despite the extremely aggressive accusatory rhetoric from the White House and the US defense department related to the upcoming attempt of specialists from the Turkish ASELSAN corporation to assess the possibility of combining the C-400 Triumph and F-35A into a single network-centric air defense missile defense network, the implementation of such a program will provide the Air Force commands and the US Navy, as well as the headquarters of the Lockheed Martin military-industrial corporation, find a comprehensive range of information about the capabilities of the 64Н6Е2 radar detector with a two-sided VFAR, I 96L6E 92N6E and guidance radar. Indeed, in reality it is not so much about combining the information field of the combat control point 55K6E of the C-400 complex with the weapon control system of the F-35A fighter, but rather about the implementation of the US-Turkish program for the so-called assessment of the potential impact of the S-400 air defense system on “Lightning II”, recently announced by the press secretary of the President of Turkey, Ibrahim Kalin. What features are you talking about?

First of all, American and Turkish experts will be able to test the ability of the 64Н6Е2 radar detector to fend off interference from the advanced AN / ASQ-239 Barracuda electronic warfare systems integrated into the fuselages and avionics of F-35 family fighters. This task is quite feasible due to the coincidence of the frequency ranges of the 64Н6Е2 radar and the Barracuda electronic warfare complex (decimeter / centimeter S-band with a frequency range from 2 to 4 GHz).

Secondly, a detailed assessment can be made of the ability of the 92Н6Е illumination radar to withstand the “interference rays” of the AN / APG-81 onboard F / 35A fighter aircraft. As you know, the electronic "filling" of the AN / APG-81 radars boasts the presence of tunable RFTF filters that power certain groups of gallium nitride transmitting and transmitting modules, so the latter have the hardware-software capability to work in electronic warfare mode. The narrow and powerful “jamming beam” of these airborne radars, comparable to the rays of the promising container systems EW AN / ALQ-249 NGJ-MB Increment 1, is capable of creating much more significant problems for the 92X6E illumination and guidance radars than the less intense wide-angle radiation of obsolete radio response stations of the family AN / ALQ-211.

It is logical to assume that the information obtained during these tests can be used to generate patterns with optimal frequency modes of counteracting not only modern 92Н6Е guidance radars, but also the early 30Н6Е family on-load tap-changers, which are the main components of the C-300ПС / ПМ1 anti-aircraft missile systems.
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  2. Sergey39
    Sergey39 28 November 2019 15: 12
    +4
    It remains to be hoped that the S-400s that are in service with us were not sold to the Turks and they won’t be able to form effective countermeasures.
    1. Vladimir16
      Vladimir16 28 November 2019 15: 26
      +16
      Another thing is the use as targets of a conditional adversary of two 5-generation F-35A multi-functional fighters, which were transferred to combat units of the Turkish Air Force in the summer of 2018.

      Have they reached Turkey? The ceremony was in the states. And there, like, they covered this shop.

      So where is this pair of penguins really located?
      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 28 November 2019 16: 29
        +16
        Quote: thinker
        Four Turkish F35ATs at Luke Air Force Base (Arizona), which combat units?

        That's it!
        Thanks for clarifying.

        So Mr. Damantsev again had a nightmare. laughing
        1. Inokenty
          Inokenty 29 November 2019 01: 57
          +8
          Quote: Yevgeny Damantsev
          The narrow and powerful “jamming beam” of these airborne radars, comparable to the rays of the promising container systems EW AN / ALQ-249 NGJ-MB Increment 1, is able to create radars for guidance and guidance 92N6E much more significant problems than less intense wide-angle radiation of obsolete radio resistance stations of the family AN / ALQ-211.

          To your respect, the breadth of your opinion should have a limit, everything may not be so simple ... What is the range of jamming radar AN / APG-81? And do not talk about the 92H6E radar without knowing its characteristics and capabilities! Or when you say, you need to bring them, justifying their opinion, and not someone else's.
          1. krot
            krot 29 November 2019 08: 10
            +4
            It remains to be hoped that the S-400s that are in service with us were not sold to the Turks.

            That's right! The latest weapons are never sold with the same characteristics that are in service with us. Neither airplanes, nor helicopters, nor missiles .. Therefore, feel calm) Any export S-300 or S-400 have characteristics much lower than ours.
        2. Edik
          Edik 29 November 2019 09: 07
          +6
          Quote: Vladimir16
          So Mr. Damantsev again had a nightmare.

          Well, not only him, but:
          patriotic observers of domestic military analytical portals and expert circles

          That is, those who endlessly hawk modern Russia!
          Because now real patriot of Russia sputters and inserts methodical pictures yes
          I somehow believe more in the people who created this type of weapon, and they say that we would sell to the United States, but don’t buy laughingSo this is another ...
          1. Dmitry Sokolov
            Dmitry Sokolov 30 November 2019 15: 08
            -5
            I agree! A true patriot should welcome the sale of modern weapons systems and their production technologies to a historical enemy of Russia and a member of an aggressive military alliance that is practically in preparation for aggression against Russia!
        3. YOUR
          YOUR 29 November 2019 15: 25
          +8
          Yes, he twisted something so that his eyes are gathered together ... it’s the stability of tracking the target of a conditional opponent without losing “capture” during the implementation of the Falcon’s energy maneuvering with simultaneous shooting ...
          What kind of energy maneuvering is this?
          It is logical to assume that the information obtained during these tests can be used to generate patterns with optimal frequency modes of counteracting not only modern 92Н6Е guidance radars, but also the early 30Н6Е family on-load tap-changers, which are the main components of the C-300ПС / ПМ1 anti-aircraft missile systems.
          Generally a set of words. Something about scientific.
          -----------
          Let me explain what was happening. Any air defense system after it has taken a new position or, after modernization, is flying around with real goals. Because the theory is one, and reality is sometimes different. Identify the closing angles, how exactly in a given area the terrain affects the detection range, what electromagnetic radiation can interfere with work. Etc. etc.
          What kind of aircraft do the Turks fly around their positions? They have no other aircraft.
          Here in VO a couple of days ago there was an article about that in the Voronezh region they were flying around with Su-24 airplanes with jamming of the modernized S-300VM-1 system.
          What are some shadow details to explain?
        4. Ramzay121
          Ramzay121 2 December 2019 09: 04
          +1
          "So Mr. Damantsev again had a nightmare."

          Once a year it happens to him
      2. opus
        opus 28 November 2019 18: 39
        -4
        Quote: Vladimir16
        So where is this pair of penguins really located?

        they are not in Turkey.
        All 5 on the base of the Air Force Luke in Arizona.

        About 42 Turkish pilots and service personnel from the Air Force bases, Luke and Eglin returned to Turkey after the US administration suspended Turkey's participation in this program.

        112th Squadron "Devil" (112. Filo "Şeytan") - Waiting for F-35As
        In this color

        you will not see f-35.

        Quote: Yevgeny Damantsev
        The situation around the testing of the Turkish C-400 radar is becoming more detailed. The shadow role of F-16C and F-35A

        fool (three times)
        Listen to him more, a meaningless set of acting phrases.

        Quote: Yevgeny Damantsev
        involving Turkish F-16C Block 50+

        why exactly 50+?
        the video can accurately identify: grazing sheep and F-4, and what was F -16 C / D. but nothing more
        1. mammadov teymur
          mammadov teymur 29 November 2019 08: 09
          +3
          they (Turks) in Aselsan produced something electronic that absorbs something
          and makes the plane invisible and put in f 16. Maybe we tested this device. ASkeri ELECTRONIC SANaesi-soldier electronics (literal translation)
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    2. paul3390
      paul3390 28 November 2019 15: 27
      +5
      Well, I also very much doubt that export options are directly identical to those in service with us. Well, you have to be a moron or an outright traitor in order to sell the source code, and even more so to the NATO country.
      1. okko077
        okko077 28 November 2019 18: 39
        +3
        The author of the article has a lot of beautiful words. As soon as the radar of the station turns on, it immediately becomes the target, you need to highlight the target, shoot and leave .. With this setting, the main antennas should be remote, cheap and upbeat ... This thought slipped through the description of the S-500. True, there are remote emitters, and the stations receive their signals, that is, they work passively ... But this is actually the same ... It would be even cooler to use UAVs and airships or balloons on a leash ...
        As soon as the system is adopted - it immediately becomes obsolete ... The contours of the S-600 are already looming, and the tasks for them ...
        1. Gogia
          Gogia 20 January 2020 18: 15
          -1
          Here Americans use balloons with antennas. Why not ours to put a balloon with an antenna and transfer everything through a gigabit channel to a computing station. Several such balloons with afar at a height of a couple of kilometers. no need to lift the avax - it’s much cheaper, and the operators are safe - at least put them in the bunker. The transmitting antenna was destroyed - pzhalsta - volts another took off. everything fits in a container - filled with helium and flew on a cable. To combat low-flying - the most it !!!
      2. opus
        opus 28 November 2019 19: 55
        +9
        Quote: paul3390
        Well this must be a round moron or an outright traitor

        first time or what?
        1. With the consent of Kokoshin (chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces) and Kolesnikov (deputy minister of defense of the Russian Federation), the S-300 from the Republic of Belarus “sailed” to America

        2. in 1991, the Yakovlev Design Bureau began to cooperate with Lockheed Martin, and also received funding in the amount of $ 400 million ...
        3. Yes, you can remember a lot, even a space toilet
        1. kupitman
          kupitman 29 November 2019 09: 34
          +4
          And can it be confirmed that the c300 sailed away with the permission of the NHS? Well, there, at least a link to the source, where it is more reliably indicated that the NGS gave the go-ahead for transportation from 300 to the USA.
          1. opus
            opus 29 November 2019 14: 00
            -10
            Quote: kupitman
            Well, there, at least a link to the source, where it is more reliably indicated that it was the NHS that gave

            1. Google about a closed criminal case, the FSB led, the request was from the State Duma
            https://polpred.com/free/vmk/book.pdf

            https://subscribe.ru/archive/psychology.mudrost1/201401/07005920.html/
            2. Lukashenko would be punished for self-will, but this did not happen
            not
            Quote: kupitman
            gave the go-ahead

            and with
            Quote: opus
            the consent of Kokoshin (chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces) and Kolesnikov (deputy minister of defense of the Russian Federation)

            two different things
            3. operation called "Gladiator"
            RUMO, former Pentagon chief Frank Carlucci (former Secretary of State James Baker), BDM International, director Emmanuel Wygensberg.
            1. kupitman
              kupitman 29 November 2019 14: 25
              +1
              Yes, I also heard that in the first half of the 19th century there was a nuclear war that destroyed a highly developed civilization.
              1. okko077
                okko077 30 November 2019 02: 01
                -2
                About 300 years ago. In Siberia, there are no trees older than this age, although their age can reach 1000 years. And traces of radioactive isotopes in the craters of very round lakes also give such numbers .. Hello, from Tartaria!
                1. Dmitry Sokolov
                  Dmitry Sokolov 30 November 2019 15: 24
                  +1
                  Well yes! And the earth is flat!
                  1. okko077
                    okko077 30 November 2019 15: 30
                    -1
                    Yeah, for you ... on the TANK the radio station!
              2. opus
                opus 30 November 2019 14: 51
                -4
                Quote: kupitman
                Yes, I also heard that in the first half of the 19th century there was a nuclear war,

                What did you want from me?
                1.Official statement of "mustache"?
                2. Upfront recognition? or a scan of the document where is the permission of the deputy defense minister and the visa of the former chief of the General Staff?
                --------------------------------------------
                I don’t know about the 19th century and nuclear war then, but:
                - S-300PT -1 is located in the USA
                - but on the basis of MVISRU this SAM is not
                - the article in the Washington Post was, the day after the landing of the An-124 "Ruslan" at the Redstone Air Force Base (Alabama)
                -PAC-2 / GEM / PAC-3 changes were both suspicious at the same time and quickly

                just like that, the S-300 could not leave for the United States no matter what the independence. These are not ATS countries
        2. sh3roman
          sh3roman 30 November 2019 14: 12
          0
          They forgot another ma-31 target rocket, as they threw amers, a gift is a gift
      3. Petrix
        Petrix 28 November 2019 22: 06
        -4
        Quote: paul3390
        Well this must be a round moron or an outright traitor in order to sell the source, and even more so - to the NATO country.

        Or you have to be a businessman. Now everyone who bought the S-400, and even more so the S-300, can line up for the updated version due to the obsolescence of the export S-400 and the possible (very likely) inability of the complex to fight against NATO and US aircraft.
        1. Dmitry Sokolov
          Dmitry Sokolov 30 November 2019 15: 32
          +1
          That is, the Turks, and turned out to be suckers, who have been laced with outright shit?
      4. Dmitry Sokolov
        Dmitry Sokolov 30 November 2019 15: 18
        0
        [/ quote] Well this must be a round moron or an outright traitor [quote]

        A very accurate definition of the political elite of Russia!
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 29 November 2019 02: 27
      +6
      Quote: Sergey39
      It remains to be hoped that the S-400s that are in service with us were not sold to the Turks ...

      Do you think that the Turks agreed to this? In Turkey, although the Turks are, but not the same "Turks"! Export weapons are designated by the index E or, somehow, otherwise ... for example, there are Russian S-300 PM-2 , and there are "export" S-300 PMU-2! There were no reports anywhere that S-400E was supplied to Turkey!
      1. mammadov teymur
        mammadov teymur 29 November 2019 08: 25
        -6
        with 400 already in Turkey even before the agreements on their purchase judging by some of their media. there in the Mediterranean Sea they found a very large pile of natural gas and Russia needs an accomplice in the region than not Turkey, both are outcasts, the rest go under amers
    4. aries2200
      aries2200 29 November 2019 16: 37
      +1
      not exactly those S-400s were sold to the Turks; an export version is being sold and not standing on a database in RUSSIA
    5. Mairos
      Mairos 29 November 2019 17: 06
      +1
      Modifications with reduced potential are ALWAYS exported.
    6. Sandro1977
      Sandro1977 30 November 2019 09: 46
      +1
      How much turkey f35?
    7. kuz363
      kuz363 3 December 2019 08: 05
      0
      Hoping is never harmful.
  3. Alien From
    Alien From 28 November 2019 15: 31
    +5
    But is it not a double game of the Sultan? He mattresses access to the S-400, they him Gulen ??? And to the public balabolite that those that other masters ....
    1. Honest Citizen
      Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 15: 45
      +2
      If the mattresses are given to Gulen, Erdogan will not tolerate and will announce his next victory. But Gulen needs mattresses, because through him you can frighten the Sultan, and he will have to be on the alert all the time.
      It is doubtful that Gulen will be given.
      In the end, it seemed like infa that when the United States was chasing after Bin Laden, his many relatives quietly visited the states and even their accounts were not blocked.
    2. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 28 November 2019 19: 47
      +7
      smile Everyone thinks that they are SMART ... And in the General Staff they are not smart. smile And it is provided! that in the General Staff they know that nobody! does not know.
  4. thinker
    thinker 28 November 2019 15: 46
    +7
    F-35A, which were transferred to the combat units of the Air Force of the Republic of Turkey in the summer of 2018

    Four Turkish F35ATs at Luke Air Force Base (Arizona), which combat units? request
  5. Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 28 November 2019 15: 47
    +1
    I think that our military and those involved in the export of weapons and military equipment are not fools. It is foolish to think that the United States will receive the keys to the Russian sky. Exporting our systems is much simpler. And almost all the publicly available characteristics of our missiles, torpedo bombs, etc. this is the data on export modifications.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 28 November 2019 19: 33
      -4
      You think in vain, since there is no information about the export option anywhere and therefore there is no information about the difference between these options.
      1. kit88
        kit88 28 November 2019 20: 33
        +6
        Do you think that the Moscow Region should make all secrets publicly available?
        This is a typical export version of "S-400 E-TURTS", here the characteristics are slightly understated, codes have been added that exclude the defeat of aircraft of the Russian Federation, the possibility of remote shutdown of the complex in the event of a "special period" has been added, as well as tracking, documenting and coded sending units are included. center "target parameters, and mated with a complex of NATO equipment. In addition, automatic non-critical disabling of the complex in case of an unauthorized attempt to reprogram, requiring repair by the forces and means of the manufacturer.
        lol
        1. Big Cat
          Big Cat 1 December 2019 19: 33
          -1
          Lord, what are you smoking?
  6. Pavel57
    Pavel57 28 November 2019 16: 36
    +3
    And what do the Americans participate in testing with the Turks together?
  7. Berkut24
    Berkut24 28 November 2019 17: 10
    0
    1) The Turks have an export version of the S-400, so even if it is tested in the interests of the United States in all modes, this does not guarantee them a deep knowledge of the weaknesses and strengths of the complex. for the expo option is always truncated.
    2) Studying the modes of capture and co-escort does not give a complete picture of the capabilities of the complex to hit certain targets, because the capabilities of missiles with an active homing head often allow you to perform a task in a situation where the complex does not already accompany the target. And it is not a fact that the Turks will be given the whole range of missiles that Russian systems have.
    3) As the Americans correctly said, the S-400 Turks will not be able to show their capabilities as a result of its isolation from the general air defense control system of the covered zone. In Russia, the S-400 is not only covered by other systems, but also receives additional information from radars of various classes. Those. Americans will be able to assess the ultimate capabilities of the Turkish complex, but they will not be able to fully appreciate the Russian complex as part of the facility’s defense system.
    4) Who knows how these tests will end for the Turks. If it suddenly turns out that the F-35 is quite visible to itself and is taken on escort even in such a truncated form, then someone may be unwilling to buy the "penguin" further. Perhaps the Americans will want to offer the Turks something for their silence.
    1. opus
      opus 28 November 2019 19: 37
      -3
      Quote: Berkut24
      1) The Turks have an export version of S-400, so even

      those. the Turks only 96L6E / 96L6E2, instead of 96L6 / 96L6-1?
      и
      Semi-trailer P28-E, instead of P28N?


      and everything else is the same as ours!
      Quote: Berkut24
      this does not guarantee them a deep knowledge of weaknesses

      come on...
      I hope you remember Operation Peak of Hope: how the CIA stole Mi-25 from Chad in June 1988

      But they already had Mi-24 (non-export): Afghans ran across to Pakistan!
      However, a bunch of dough swelled and risked the lives of their and French staff
      Quote: Berkut24

      2) Study of capture modes and withopRozhivaniya does not give a complete picture of the capabilities of the complex to hit certain targets, because missile capabilities with actively

      9M96E2 / 9M96E delivered to the Turks and of course "drowned" 40N6E - let them study ARLGSN
      Quote: Berkut24
      And not a fact

      fact.
      also instead of TsVK 40U6, a specialized electronic computer with a control complex based on the MVK "Elbrus-90 Micro" for the S-400 (40U6 / on S-300PMU1, S-300PMU2, "Tor-M1", Pantsir-S) was supplied, all the bells and whistles and software in the C language + revision of the software of the Elbrus-90 micro computer complex in terms of introducing a more accurate guidance method that increases the accuracy of targeting ballistic targets, and improved control of combat equipment, ensuring the effectiveness of their destruction, as well as control programs and guidance in the extended part of the zone of destruction of aerodynamic targets; of course "Baguette-23V", providing, inter alia, the use in any combination of an extended range of missiles, etc.

      I was wondering if they installed the Trona-1 topographic orientation system (STO) or were generous with GALS-D2M?
      Quote: Berkut24
      3) As the Americans correctly said, S-400 Turks

      AYESAŞ makes the F-35 REMOTE INTERFACE BLOCK (MRIU), armament control units, as well as remotes and cabinets of the Turkish Navy submarine combat control system, in my Link-16. Th MATCH, do not worry
      ь
      Quote: Berkut24
      4) Who knows how these trials will end at the Turks. If it suddenly turns out that the F-35 is quite visible to itself

      do not read the Nonsense of Damancev. and in the morning, and generally
      There is no F-35 in Turkey!
      They only have this crap

      The layout of the cabin F-35, which was demonstrated at the air show in Cigli, Turkey. (Dardanelles)
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 29 November 2019 07: 52
        0
        also instead of TsVK 40U6, a specialized electronic computer with a control complex based on the MVK "Elbrus-90 Micro" for the S-400 (40U6 / on S-300PMU1, S-300PMU2, "Tor-M1", Pantsir-S) was supplied, all the bells and whistles and software in the C language + revision of the software of the Elbrus-90 micro computer complex in terms of introducing a more accurate guidance method that increases the accuracy of targeting ballistic targets, and improved control of combat equipment, ensuring the effectiveness of their destruction, as well as control programs and guidance in the extended part of the zone of destruction of aerodynamic targets; of course "Baguette-23V", providing, inter alia, the use in any combination of an extended range of missiles, etc.

        Of course, poking around in conspiracy theories is a bad thing, but it seems that since this technique was not just put on the sly (as with the above-mentioned C300), but an open contract, and even in such conditions of extensive politicization, then most likely the filling itself has long been not a secret for "partners". Perhaps the technical documentation has long been sold by some modern version of Polyakov or Penkovsky
  8. igorra
    igorra 28 November 2019 18: 31
    -1
    I think in the event of a real conflict, our opponents will be surprised by the unexpectedly increased capabilities of the S - 400, and whether it’s nice or not, then the rocket will fall.
  9. VyacheSeymour
    VyacheSeymour 28 November 2019 18: 51
    +5
    Even if the Turks had the newest S-400, which had not yet entered the arsenal of the Russian Federation, and even if ASEISAN penetrated its entire background, the Turks wouldn’t devalue their strategic asset so much, scattering its secrets in this volatile world !!!
  10. Radikal
    Radikal 28 November 2019 19: 03
    +5
    Quote: Sergey39
    It remains to be hoped that the S-400s that are in service with us were not sold to the Turks and they won’t be able to form effective countermeasures.

    That's right, the key word is "hope"! It is not clear to whom ... sad
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 28 November 2019 19: 49
      0
      Let them hope for a mattress patriott laughing
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 28 November 2019 19: 06
    0
    Loss of information, predictably, will be, but not critical!
  12. Shahno
    Shahno 28 November 2019 20: 35
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir16
    Quote: thinker
    Four Turkish F35ATs at Luke Air Force Base (Arizona), which combat units?

    That's it!
    Thanks for clarifying.

    So Mr. Damantsev again had a nightmare. laughing

    Well, you can always arrange NATO exercises on the basis of the states in Turkey with the involvement of F 35. The main thing is the bid price ..
    So they transmitted, did not transmit, you know everything in whose hands ...
  13. Eug
    Eug 28 November 2019 21: 01
    -1
    It is unlikely that the most interesting operating modes are implemented on the export version, and the energy parameters of the airborne and ground equipment are very different. Moreover, it is possible that during the regulation or during modernization, portraits of targets will be available to our specialists ..
  14. NordUral
    NordUral 28 November 2019 22: 04
    +4
    For such sales in a normal state, they would have put it to the wall. And in a normal state, such a thing would have never occurred to his leaders even in a nightmare.
    1. Dmitry Sokolov
      Dmitry Sokolov 30 November 2019 15: 37
      0
      The best koment!
  15. iouris
    iouris 28 November 2019 22: 20
    0
    If the Turks provide the test results to the developer (or a dag-scratch), it will be interesting.
  16. Twodi
    Twodi 29 November 2019 03: 13
    +2
    The eternal battle of shell and armor. And who doubted that sooner or later the United States would gain access to the S-400? Not in Turkey, so in India, remember the Hindus with pleasure and without delaying, provided the US with access to our Nerpa nuclear submarine. So this is nonsense about instability and so on and so forth - this is the eternal struggle of armor and shell and the main driver of progress.
  17. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 29 November 2019 09: 47
    0
    information obtained during the test data can be used for forming patterns with optimal frequency counteraction modes

    F-35A, which were transferred to the combat units of the Air Force of the Republic of Turkey in the summer of 2018, shortly before the active phase of the outbreak US-Turkish military-political crisis

    If the tests of the S-400 lead to changes in the electronic warfare of American aircraft, then with all the negative rhetoric between the Yankos and the Turks, for new tests of the new systems, the Yankos will have to supply these systems to the Turks either in the form of new F-35A aircraft, or as components already for the Turks. F-35A. And this information is already worth tracking. Unless, of course, "bugs" are installed on the Turkish S-400s or there is no agreement with the Turks to provide information on tests to us directly.
  18. Den717
    Den717 29 November 2019 14: 25
    -2
    For some reason I think that the risks of "Turkish flutter" were taken into account when selling. Our Rosoboronexport, I am sure, knew that Turkey is an eastern country and is a member of a certain NATO. laughing
  19. MrFox
    MrFox 29 November 2019 15: 29
    -2
    Of course, all signatures will be pulled out of the locator, and for this we bought it. The version about the stripped down export option is ridiculous, imagine a buyer who pays real money and who is told that the complex will be so-so.

    But it doesn’t matter, because the era of radar in this form is ending. During the fighting, the locator will either turn on for several tens of seconds, which limits its capabilities, or will be destroyed. Tracking a radar position is easy.

    In the past, anti-radar weapons (missiles) could be afforded by the state, and now comrades can easily afford a drone with a roughly detecting microwave receiver. Which will fly exactly to the center of the antenna system
    1. 1970mk
      1970mk 29 November 2019 19: 34
      0
      Quote: MrFox
      imagine a buyer who pays real money

      This is where you just MOCKED .... Everything is much cooler! Turkey does not pay anything - she took a loan from the Russian Federation for this matter))) It’s ridiculous .... if I didn’t want to let a tear from it .... A purely political decision ... GIVE! And the money, maybe they have gone nowhere ...
      1. Cossack 471
        Cossack 471 29 November 2019 22: 21
        +1
        I absolutely agree with you This is such a fashion at our expense to be generous; build nuclear power plants on credit. with returns in .... eleven years. Weapons to sell. giving a loan in advance ... The retirement age must be raised to 80 years. otherwise we won’t cope ....
      2. asv363
        asv363 29 November 2019 23: 27
        +2
        Quote: 1970mk
        This is where you just MOCKED .... Everything is much cooler! Turkey does not pay anything - she took a loan from the Russian Federation for this matter)))

        55% - short-term loan, 45% - real money upon shipment. Turkey pays nothing to Russia?
  20. 1970mk
    1970mk 29 November 2019 19: 31
    -1
    I am very confused by the fact that neither the S-300 (decades of operation) nor the S-400 have ever shot down a single real target anywhere. What can happen (you can disagree) 50/50 .... either it will show high interception data ... or it will be "done" ... Real shooting at real targets is not like "we see everything and we will hit everything" ... And this simply did not happen. But it was already, gentlemen, comrades, when our weapons were completely disposed of - in the same Arab-Israeli conflicts.
    1. tima_ga
      tima_ga 30 November 2019 00: 04
      +2
      And ours was tidied up with the American ... And for the Arabs, there are so many factors, including human factors. Arabs are still those warriors, especially when it comes to sophisticated equipment, not horses and camels ...
  21. Nick Russ
    Nick Russ 29 November 2019 19: 51
    -2
    So in the S-400 there are no vulnerabilities. Therefore, they sold it so that the Americans knew about it and were horrified. smile
    1. 1970mk
      1970mk 29 November 2019 22: 15
      -5
      The system of evil exists and is actually worked out .... not one air defense can not stand it .... everything is torn apart .... the American filmets is on YouTube - everything was dismantled a long time ago ....
  22. steelmaker
    steelmaker 29 November 2019 22: 41
    -2
    I am wondering if the Turkish S-400s will be able to shoot down our SU? There is no hint in the article about this. And judging by joint trials with the United States, Turkey and the Americans do not have any discord.
  23. tima_ga
    tima_ga 29 November 2019 23: 57
    +2
    It is clear that such horror stories have a place to be, but still, at our top, not only fools and pests are sitting. I am sure that when deciding on the delivery of products to a NATO member country, risks were assessed, including taking into account the political situation, but not to the point of idiocy. I still want to believe in it.
  24. Dima_Anlim
    Dima_Anlim 30 November 2019 00: 04
    -1
    It has long been clear that the United States only staged a performance with indignation and scolding of the Turks - initially, this entire purchase of the S-400 by Turkey was conceived by the CIA and the Pentagon with one goal - to get through a NATO ally even "export" but S-400 Russians and test them , find out how and what, squeeze out the maximum information from the hardware and its capabilities. They played a scene - bad Turks and angry Yankees, the goal was achieved, the S-400 was received. Tail and mane tests are passed. Then they will add 25% to the capabilities and get practically the characteristics of the "non-export" S-400. Dot. And they will begin to develop options for dealing with it. It remains to be hoped that the General Staff and the Russian Defense Ministry in general knew all this in advance and took the necessary measures.
  25. bars1
    bars1 30 November 2019 00: 48
    +2
    Quote: 1970mk
    But it was already, gentlemen, comrades, when our weapons were completely trimmed - in the same Arab-Israeli conflicts.

    And now, American weapons are being completely finished in Yemen!
  26. lexx domainus
    lexx domainus 30 November 2019 03: 55
    +4
    Germans were allies before the war, and not only tested, but also studied at our military schools. Do not forget that Turkey is one of the oldest enemies of Russia, as well as Sweden, Lithuania in alliance with Poland. So I’m not particularly proud of such demonstrations.
  27. certero
    certero 30 November 2019 10: 33
    +1
    I do not understand hype. When they sold the S-300 a long time ago, what was the difference? That's right, nothing.
  28. Protos
    Protos 5 December 2019 00: 34
    0
    Quote: lexx domenus
    Germans were allies before the war, and not only tested, but also studied at our military schools. Do not forget that Turkey is one of the oldest enemies of Russia, as well as Sweden, Lithuania in alliance with Poland. So I’m not particularly proud of such demonstrations.

    “But Hitler will come to power only in 1933, and until then the Germans, represented by the Weimar Republic, were looking for ways to get around all these restrictions invented by the peace treaty.

    Already in April 1922 in Genoa, the People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs of the RSFSR Georgy Chicherin and German Foreign Minister Walter Rathenau signed a bilateral agreement. Both powers mutually renounced all claims against each other and resumed diplomatic and consular relations.

    This was a breakthrough: it was not possible to create a united front of the capitalist powers against the young Soviet state. Cooperation between Moscow and Berlin was very profitable and fruitful, and the fact that military cooperation was included in these relations was one of the foundations of the established dialogue.

    Even earlier, in 1921, active negotiations were ongoing in Moscow and Berlin, as a result of which the Politburo of the Central Committee of the RCP (B.) Adopted a plan to restore the military and peaceful industry with the help of the German consortium.



    German cadets in Lipetsk

    In Soviet Russia, mixed Russian-German enterprises and concessions began to appear, under which disguised military-industrial enterprises were created to fulfill, among other things, German military orders. Particularly successful was the collaboration with Junkers. The plant at Fili, which began the production of all-metal aircraft, became, in fact, the flagship of the domestic aviation industry. No less effective were projects developed jointly with Krupp.

    The activity of military training centers of the German army, then known as the Reichswehr, became a very important area of ​​military-technical cooperation. The first were organized military-technical centers: a flying school near Lipetsk, a tank school near Kazan, an aerochemical experimental station near Saratov. Hundreds of German pilots were trained at a flying school near Lipetsk. In flight and tank schools, the Soviet military studied hand in hand with the Germans.
    For a long time, the military cooperation between Moscow and Berlin was kept secret, but once the Junkers, who carried out the order to create an aircraft factory in the USSR, got into difficult financial conditions, was forced to submit a memorandum to the Reichstag. This document was read and commented on by an English newspaper, after which an international scandal began.

    Under these conditions, the Soviet Union proposed to continue military cooperation on a legal basis. And already in August 1927, the Soviet government was notified that the Weimar Republic, despite unwanted publicity, did not object to continued contacts in the field of defense.

    Military cooperation between the Soviet Union and Germany continued until 1933. When Hitler came to power, a completely different era began in relations between Moscow and Berlin. "
  29. babylon
    babylon 5 December 2019 09: 31
    0
    I have a hunch that Ankara and Washington played a big show in front of Russia with this coup d'etat in order to rub into the confidence of Moscow
  30. duchy
    duchy 5 December 2019 14: 01
    0
    I believe the Turks are not suicides in order to transmit the data of the overflights to the Americans, how they will then defend themselves from them. And ours probably have countermeasures.
  31. duchy
    duchy 18 December 2019 18: 39
    0
    Hello. You read such opuses (it cannot be called otherwise) and you wonder if the authors really consider themselves smarter than the "steam locomotive", most likely they have no idea how the decision-making process on the sale of high-tech and science-intensive systems for export goes. I can only assume that there are so many problems in the complex that the composition of the alcohol is not enough to figure it out. At the same time, even a no brainer understands that it is an export option, and this is not the same thing. The USSR also sold S-200, Pechora S-75, radars, MIGi 21-23-25, well, a lot of other things, to the pile. So what? Did the enemies know all our secrets? Simple example:
    RD - 180, sold all, ALL, documentation and other gadgets and where you saw engines made in the USA. Their gut is thin. So, gentlemen, do not bother. Do not push the water in the mortar how much in vain, do not waste other people's time. And what the Turks did is a standard check to determine the real characteristics and capabilities of this complex. When deploying and setting up complexes on a database, we also conduct similar events.
  32. mad max
    mad max 25 December 2019 15: 16
    0
    It remains to be assumed that Mr. Damantsev still increased the dosage of sedatives.
  33. Alexander Lik
    Alexander Lik 16 January 2020 16: 49
    0
    Well, the frequencies are retuned to f35. And ours will reconfigure to C400.