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In St. Petersburg laid the second combat icebreaker of the 23550 project "Nikolai Zubov"

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In St. Petersburg laid the second combat icebreaker of the 23550 project "Nikolai Zubov"

At the Admiralty Shipyards shipyard in St. Petersburg, the second ice class patrol ship of the 23550 project Nikolay Zubov was officially laid down. The ceremony was attended by Russian President Vladimir Putin, who visited a shipyard.


During the visit to the Admiralty Shipyards, the president was shown the mortgage section of the new ship, to which he attached a plate with the name of the ship. After that, he talked with the workers of the plant and thanked them for their work. Vladimir Putin was accompanied by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, Navy Commander-in-Chief Nikolai Evmenov, Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, President of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexei Rakhmanov.

According to the management of the shipyard, the degree of readiness of the first serial patrol ship of the ice class Nikolai Zubov is 11%. According to the plans of the enterprise, the vessel will be transferred to the customer in November 2024 of the year.

Earlier it was reported that the lead ice class patrol ship of the 23550 project "Ivan Papanin" was launched in St. Petersburg.

Project 23550 ice-class patrol ships (combat icebreakers) were developed by the Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau (TsMKB) as a replacement for project 21180 military icebreakers, on which it was built and transferred the fleet just one icebreaker - Ilya Muromets.

The vessel is capable of performing the tasks of a tugboat, patrol ship and an icebreaker. The ship is intended for the protection and monitoring of water resources in difficult ice conditions, escorting and towing detained vessels to the port, escorting and supporting support vessels, participating in rescue operations, transporting special cargoes.

The icebreaker is capable of speeds up to 18 knots. Displacement - about 8500 tons, length - over 100 m, width - about 20 m, sailing autonomy - about 70 days. Cruising range - 10 thousand nautical miles. An icebreaker can cross ice fields up to 1,7 meters thick.

The ship is armed with AK-176MA automatic artillery mount, a place is reserved for missile deployment weapons. In addition, one multi-purpose helicopter will be based on the ship.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 27 November 2019 18: 49
    +15
    Good news. Sin to complain.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 27 November 2019 19: 06
      +5
      And someone is NOT a SIN and "throw cons"! laughing Well, it’s necessary not to like ships!)))
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 27 November 2019 19: 52
        +4
        Do not pay attention to minusers, there are all experts on the net ........ so to speak! But the fact that the president praised the factory workers for their "work" and not for "work" is very good! I would have thrown some money on the training of labor, it would have gone even faster!
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 27 November 2019 23: 24
          +6
          Quote: Alien From
          But the fact that the president praised the factory workers for their "work" and not for "work" is very good!

          Yesterday on Channel One in the news at 18-00, a commentator describing the bold act of a young man and a young man (they did not let the pedophile take away an eight-year-old girl), describing the man, said - "simple hard worker "It was hard to pronounce Working! ... In my opinion this is a public neglect of the Working class. What is shameful for the leading TV channel.
      2. 1976AG
        1976AG 27 November 2019 20: 11
        +1
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        And someone is NOT a SIN and "throw cons"! laughing Well, it’s necessary not to like ships!)))

        Perhaps the Germans, they say that the Russian is good - the Germans
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 28 November 2019 12: 28
          -4
          Quote: 1976AG
          Perhaps the Germans, they say that the Russian is good - the Germans

          Everything is correct and just about the topic, radioactive waste on new ice drifts will be imported to Russia, there are sanctions against Germany, but apparently it does not apply to waste.
          On the afternoon of November 26, in the area of ​​Kronstadt, the ship Mikhail Dudin anchored to Amsterdam sailed to St. Petersburg. On board the ship are 80 containers with depleted uranium hexafluoride (DUHF). The goods were transported to the capital of the Netherlands by train from the Urenco company in the German city of Gronau.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 28 November 2019 12: 41
            +2
            Quote: RUSS
            radioactive waste on new ice drifts will be imported to Russia

            From the article (to which, by the way, you forgot to give a reference):

            According to the IAEA experts, depleted uranium hexafluoride is not a radioactive waste. Russian law says the same thing..

            DUHF is even less radioactive than uranium ore, but this does not mean that it is not phonetic: Greenpeace Russia expert Rashid Alimov managed to measure Background radiation the very cars that go to Amsterdam: he exceeds natural radiation about six times

            It's about nothingbuddy yes

    2. RUSS
      RUSS 28 November 2019 10: 28
      -5
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Good news. Sin to complain.

      Well, at least something of their own, not Finnish
  2. Theodore
    Theodore 27 November 2019 18: 50
    +23
    Lay Joseph Stalin! Here is a raiser !!!
    1. svp67
      svp67 27 November 2019 18: 53
      +13
      Quote: Theodore
      Lay Joseph Stalin!

      And after him "Anastas Mikoyana" and ...... "Lavrenty Beria" with "Felix Dzerzhinsky"
      1. Theodore
        Theodore 27 November 2019 18: 53
        +14
        I am absolutely FOR!
      2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 27 November 2019 19: 07
        +14
        Icebreaker "I. Stalin" in the dock. End of 1942 - beginning of 1943
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 27 November 2019 19: 13
          +10
          The Great Patriotic War caught the icebreaker "I. Stalin" in the Arctic, undergoing repairs. In August 1941, together with the old icebreaker "Lenin" (formerly "Alexander Nevsky"), under the protection of destroyers, moved from Murmansk to the Kara Sea, and in October moved to Arkhangelsk - Allied convoys went to the Soviet northern ports and it was necessary to ensure the escort of transports through the freezing White Sea, since the Germans bombed Murmansk almost continuously. In November, the ship was armed with four 45-mm cannons and machine guns. The one-type icebreaker "A Mikoyan" was undergoing acceptance tests in June 1941, and on 26 August it was armed with three 130-mm guns, four 76,2-mm cannons, the same number of machine guns and was enlisted in the Black Sea Fleet as an auxiliary cruiser. In November " And Mikoyan was "disarmed, because this was required by the international rules for the passage of foreign ships through the straits controlled by Turkey. On November 25, the icebreaker left Tuapse, passed the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles and ended up in the Mediterranean Sea. There he was attacked by Italian torpedo boats, but the ship's commander, an experienced naval sailor, Captain 2 rank SM Sergeev, dodged the torpedoes they fired (there was nothing to fight back) - the ship got off with several machine-gun holes. Then "A Mikoyan" moved through the Suez Canal, crossed two oceans and arrived in Arkhangelsk, where four 76,2 were put on it, XNUMX-mm cannon and four large-caliber and conventional machine guns
          1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 27 November 2019 19: 26
            +15
            The new patrol icebreaker Ivan Papanin (lead ship of Project 23550) under construction at the Admiralty Shipyards.
            1. Brturin
              Brturin 27 November 2019 21: 33
              +3
              Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
              The new patrol icebreaker Ivan Papanin under construction at the Admiralty Shipyards

              An ice-resistant self-propelled platform "North Pole" is being built there, I hope that soon we will also see ...
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 27 November 2019 21: 43
              +3
              Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
              The new patrol icebreaker Ivan Papanin (lead ship of Project 23550) under construction at the Admiralty Shipyards.

              Dear person in "Sevmorput" Ivan Papanin. We respect and love.
          2. vladcub
            vladcub 27 November 2019 22: 00
            +2
            With "Mikoyan" an interesting situation turned out: the Germans immediately "screwed up", and then relied on pasta. In fact, the Englishmen installed a fireworks cannon on the Mikoyan, but it was as useful as a goat of milk. The sailors made a kind of artillery towers from logs. And the enemy from the distance will not inspect the eighth and will be afraid to attack
          3. Flooding
            Flooding 27 November 2019 22: 32
            0
            But the photo of "Joseph Stalin" in Seattle already has a larger caliber.
            Most likely the same 130 mm.
        2. Flooding
          Flooding 27 November 2019 21: 15
          +3
          Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
          Icebreaker "I. Stalin" in the dock. End of 1942 - beginning of 1943

          Clarification:
          September 1942 - Icebreaker Joseph Stalin undergoing repairs in Seattle, Washington.
          Source - Naval History and Heritage Command
          https://www.history.navy.mil/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nhhc-series/nh-series/NH-79000/NH-79154.html
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 28 November 2019 10: 23
            -2
            Quote: Flood
            September 1942 - Icebreaker Joseph Stalin undergoing repairs in Seattle, Washington.

            Do Americans repair? Is that so? laughing
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 28 November 2019 10: 24
              -1
              It was such a time.
              1. The comment was deleted.
        3. svp67
          svp67 28 November 2019 04: 05
          +1
          Icebreaker "Anastas Mikoyan"
      3. pru-pavel
        pru-pavel 27 November 2019 19: 24
        -18
        And behind them Trotsky, Tukhachevsky, Mina, Riemann,
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 27 November 2019 19: 40
          +1
          As target ships?
        2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 27 November 2019 20: 13
          +1
          Quote: pru-pavel
          And behind them Trotsky, Tukhachevsky, Mina, Riemann,

          We cannot name ships in honor of tsars, secretaries general, generals, admirals, party leaders, events, congresses, cities, republics, since Russia has an unpredictable future. We also had destroyers "Lenin", "Trotsky", "Voikov" in our history ... There was a cruise ship "Kaganovich" at the Pacific Fleet (26 bis). After the "exposure" of his brother, the "enemy of the people", "Lazar Kaganovich" became. After Lazar Moiseevich himself "guilty" before Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev, "Petropavlovsk" became.
          I remember renaming in honor of Brezhnev, and then back and this whole series of renaming, sometimes outright stupid things. Few people remember the ship Suslov, but it was such a few years.
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 27 November 2019 21: 44
          -1
          Quote: pru-pavel
          And behind them Trotsky, Tukhachevsky, Mina, Riemann,

          The liberals suffered.
      4. Marconi41
        Marconi41 27 November 2019 19: 39
        +11
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Theodore
        Lay Joseph Stalin!

        And after him "Anastas Mikoyana" and ...... "Lavrenty Beria" with "Felix Dzerzhinsky"

        And why didn’t iron Felix please you? In addition to the Cheka, he led a committee to combat street children and achieved great success. It was the first children's communes that produced the FED camera. It was he who managed to restore rail transport after the civil war. And in general, not so bad a man was, although a Pole.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 27 November 2019 19: 48
          +2
          Quote: Marconi41
          And in general, not so bad a man was, although a Pole.

          Russian is not a nationality, it is a way of thinking. The subject of the Russian Empire sounds proudly
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 27 November 2019 20: 17
            +2
            Quote: Tusv

            Russian is not a nationality, it is a way of thinking. The subject of the Russian Empire sounds proudly

            I do not know what kind of "way of thinking" you have, I believe that thoughts are absent. Because "singing" from someone else's voice, you don't need a big mind. You followed the lead of people who wanted to delete the Russian nationality from the list of nationalities. I am Russian!
            "We are Russians, what a delight" (A.V. Suvorov)
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 27 November 2019 20: 28
              -1
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              You went on about people wanting to delete Russian nationality from the list of nationalities. I am Russian!

              As Comrade Marx said: "Being determines consciousness." Here you understand how you brought up feel Although they call me Jewish, but I am also Russian and there’s nothing for me to do there. By the way, my own sister was sent to Krasnoyarsk 30 years ago by distribution. Say that she is not true Krasnoyarochka - she will scratch her eyes hi
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 27 November 2019 20: 36
                -1
                Quote: Tusv
                but I am also Russian

                1. No, you are not Russian, you just have this "way of thinking".
                2. I don’t understand you - Russian, or - "way of thinking"?
                You already somehow decide.
                Most likely you are a Jew. And why be ashamed of this? I do not see anything shameful in this.
                1. Tusv
                  Tusv 27 November 2019 20: 40
                  0
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  You already somehow decide.

                  It has long been decided. That you have already decided. Russia for Russians or for Russians in spirit hi
                  1. lucul
                    lucul 27 November 2019 21: 04
                    +2
                    It has long been decided. That you have already decided. Russia for Russians or for Russians in spirit

                    Russia will accept ALL who work for the good and glory of Russia ....
                  2. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 27 November 2019 21: 09
                    +1
                    Quote: Tusv
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    You already somehow decide.

                    It has long been decided. That you have already decided. Russia for Russians or for Russians in spirit hi

                    Tatar, Yakut, Mordvin, do they all have a "Russian spirit"? Is it possible? And you asked them if they want a "Russian spirit"? And why is the Yakut spirit worse than the Russian one? Do you want the Tatar to love Russia, not to be confused with the Russian Federation, more than Tatarstan? And the Yakut loved their Yakutia less and loved Russia more?
                    You love beautiful phrases. But do not think about their meaning. Beautiful phrases are not always correct phrases. You have to love reality. Let the Tatar have a "Tatar spirit", and the Yakut - "Yakut". If only because I love Russia more than Tatarstan.
                    And with all this, this does not prevent me from respecting all peoples living in the territory of the Russian Federation. Tell the Chechen that he has a "Russian spirit" and I will be happy to see what happens to you.
                    1. Tusv
                      Tusv 27 November 2019 21: 17
                      0
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      You like beautiful phrases.

                      In your opinion I drove bourgeois pepelats with beautiful phrases from the border? No. Because I'm Russian in spirit. But there are Russian little souls. Here is for them and prepare your angry speech hi
                      1. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 27 November 2019 23: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: Tusv
                        Here is for them and prepare your angry speech

                        fool
                    2. Flooding
                      Flooding 27 November 2019 21: 46
                      0
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      And what is the Yakut spirit worse than Russian? Do you want the Tatar to love Russia, not to be confused with the Russian Federation, more than Tatarstan?

                      You are now engaged in a provocation. This time.
                      You would first explain to a person that you yourself are not of Russian nationality. These are two.
                      1. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 27 November 2019 23: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: Flood

                        You are now engaged in a provocation. This time.
                        You would first explain to a person that you yourself are not of Russian nationality. These are two.

                        And what did I provoke you to?
                        I’m just Russian. And I didn’t like it -
                        Quote: Tusv
                        Russian is not a nationality, it is a way of thinking.
                        - This character tried to take my nationality from me. On what basis?
                        Every normal, thinking person has his own way of thinking, but this does not prevent them from being Russian.
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding 27 November 2019 23: 31
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        And what did I provoke you to?

                        You are not provoking me. You provoke those citizens of Russia that rightfully consider themselves part of a great nation.
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        I’m just Russian.

                        Everything can be. I remember that you were mentioned in some connection with Israel.
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        the character tried to take my nationality from me

                        This is unclean. He did not take anything from you. He spoke exclusively about himself. Do you deny him the right to feel like a Russian?
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Every normal thinking person has his own way of thinking.

                        And now you are trying to pick up. Deprive the Russian people of the Russian mentality.
                      3. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 27 November 2019 23: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: Flood

                        You are not provoking me. You provoke those citizens of Russia that rightfully consider themselves part of a great nation.

                        Did they tell you so? Can you yourself at least explain in what alleys your thought roams?
                        Quote: Flood
                        I remember that you were mentioned in some connection with Israel.

                        Where was mentioned? When was it mentioned? Who mentioned? Name, sister, name !!!
                        I can imagine how the user of the site under the nickname "professor" is now writhing from your discovery.
                        Quote: Flood
                        He did not take anything from you.

                        Are you an adequate person? How can this be understood? -
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk

                        Quote: Tusv
                        Russian is not a nationality, it is a way of thinking.

                        Do you continue to claim that he is purely about himself?
                        Quote: Flood
                        Do you deny him the right to feel like a Russian?

                        Yes, even if he feels like a Martian, what do I care?
                        But let him not assert that I am not Russian, because there is no such nationality, but only a certain "way of thinking."
                        Quote: Flood

                        And now you are trying to pick up. Deprive the Russian people of the Russian mentality.

                        Yes, the paths of your thoughts are inscrutable. I spoke purely about nationality, everything else is your pseudo-intellectual fantasies.
                      4. Flooding
                        Flooding 27 November 2019 23: 57
                        0
                        You are an ill-mannered and uneducated person.
                        And whether you are Jewish or not, I do not care.
                      5. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 28 November 2019 00: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: Flood
                        You are an ill-mannered and uneducated person.

                        This is your whole argument in the dispute about "Russian - nationality or -" way of thinking "?
                        Quote: Flood
                        And whether you are Jewish or not, I do not care.

                        Like me before you
                      6. Flooding
                        Flooding 28 November 2019 00: 07
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        This is your whole argument in the dispute about "Russian - nationality or -" way of thinking "?

                        What a dispute? You point blank do not see anyone else's argument except yours. Go back up and try to figure it out.
              2. lucul
                lucul 27 November 2019 21: 06
                +1
                Although they call me Jewish, but I am also Russian and there’s nothing for me to do there.

                If sincerely said - then I respect for it.
          2. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 27 November 2019 21: 13
            +1
            Quote: Tusv
            The subject of the Russian Empire sounds proudly

            You can be a subject of anyone and anything. and it cannot "sound proudly".
            And here is a CITIZEN of the Russian Empire, it really sounds proudly.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 27 November 2019 21: 44
              -1
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              You can be a subject of anyone and anything. and it cannot "sound proudly".

              I am a subject of the Russian State, or rather, Mother Russia and only Her, moreover, a Guardsman. I have enough pride and care. I have the honor hi
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 27 November 2019 23: 11
                +1
                Quote: Tusv

                I am a subject of the Russian State, or rather, Mother Russia and only Her, moreover, a Guardsman. I have enough pride and care. I have the honor

                Well, what can I say? A slave, he is - a slave.

                THE SENT BY m
                1. One who is a citizen of smb. state. P. emperor. Former p.
                2. Outdated. One who obeys the power of the master, the lord in his possessions.
                Continue to be proud.
                And I’m sweeter - a citizen.

                In Russian, the word citizen eventually acquired another meaning: 'worthy member of society devoted to his own country '. This meaning developed in the XIX century. not without the influence of Western European revolutionary trends, in particular, the ideas of the French Revolution. For this reason, Paul I tried to prohibit the use of the word citizen (associated with the French citoyen) and demanded to replace it with the words resident, layman, merchant, tradesman.
                1. Tusv
                  Tusv 27 November 2019 23: 19
                  -1
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Well, what can I say? A slave, he is - a slave.

                  Yes, I am a slave to my homeland. And proud of it. How could it be otherwise? hi
                  1. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 27 November 2019 23: 29
                    +2
                    Quote: Tusv

                    Yes, I am a slave to my homeland. (How pompous, but not sincere. The slave never fully works for his master, never sincerely cares for him and never protects him) And I am proud of it. (I don’t understand how one can be proud of the title of slave) How could it be otherwise? (maybe. Being a CITIZEN. Remember at Mayakovsky - you may not be a poet, but you must be a citizen.)
                    1. Tusv
                      Tusv 27 November 2019 23: 50
                      -1
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      A slave never fully works for his master,

                      Mother Russia is not a master, but a mistress fellow Although I swore allegiance to the USSR, my oath is faithful to the Russian Federation. Do you want some Russians to defend their homeland? Give it a try. There are so many cannons in NATO. Three times more than ours. Our population
                      And here you say all the garbage about Russia for Russian
                      1. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 27 November 2019 23: 55
                        +3
                        Quote: Tusv
                        And here you say all the garbage about Russia for Russian

                        Give a quote from my posts confirming this your nonsense. Or apologize.
                      2. Tusv
                        Tusv 27 November 2019 23: 59
                        -3
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        A slave, he is - a slave.

                        Guy. You insulted all the Guard units, and I am their part
                      3. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 28 November 2019 00: 11
                        +2
                        Quote: Tusv
                        Guy. You insulted all the Guard units, and I am their part

                        1. In my opinion, you did this by calling the guardsmen not citizens, but slaves. As soon as you consider yourself a guardsman. Here are your words -
                        Quote: Tusv
                        Yes, I am a slave to my homeland. And proud of it.

                        2. How is it -
                        Quote: Tusv
                        Guy. You insulted all the Guard units, and I am their part

                        proves that I allegedly wrote that Russia is for Russians?
                        I asked for a quote confirming that I wrote this.
                        You didn’t give it, so you slandered me. Sorry if you are a guardsman.
                      4. Tusv
                        Tusv 28 November 2019 00: 16
                        -2
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        I asked for a quote confirming that I wrote this.

                        And you read that you yourself wrote here. Or Krasnoyarsk, who had long sent Krasnoyarsk everything is possible?
                      5. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 28 November 2019 11: 00
                        +1
                        Quote: Tusv

                        And you read that you yourself wrote here. Or Krasnoyarsk, who had long sent Krasnoyarsk everything is possible?

                        For a person who is not able to understand a simple text, I’ll explain it even easier: Russian is a NATIONALITY. Let me explain: a Yakut with a "way of thinking" remains a Yakut, a Chechen with a "way of thinking" remains a Chechen, a Jew with a "way of thinking" remains a Jew, etc.
                        I, with a "way of thinking", who is by nationality?
                        Got it? No?!! Well then, I don’t know, then the direct road to school.
                        I never claimed, did not write, did not say - Russia is for Russians.
                        But..! I suppose that; each person respects his nationality and does not deny it under any circumstances. Respectfully treats ANY other nationalities, until some nationality becomes an enemy of his STATE, of which he is a citizen.
                        And the last one. Communicating with a stranger, I never wonder - what is his nationality? Because I don't care. I am more interested in his moral, business and other qualities.
                      6. Tusv
                        Tusv 28 November 2019 00: 01
                        -2
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Give a quote from my posts confirming this your nonsense

                        Give more quotes from your text?
                      7. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 28 November 2019 00: 12
                        +2
                        Quote: Tusv
                        Give more quotes from your text?

                        I look forward to it.
                      8. Tusv
                        Tusv 28 November 2019 00: 25
                        -1
                        Well. Please
                        I don’t know what “way of thinking” you have, I believe that there are no thoughts

                        Direct insult
                        1. No, you are not - Russian, you just have this "way of thinking"

                        Indirect insult
                        Tatar, Yakut, Mordvin, do they all have a "Russian spirit"?

                        National insult.
                        You are not Krasnoyarsk. You are a disgrace to Krasnoyarsk
                      9. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 28 November 2019 10: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: Tusv

                        I don’t know what “way of thinking” you have, I believe that there are no thoughts

                        Quote: Tusv

                        1. No, you are not - Russian, you just have this "way of thinking"

                        Quote: Tusv

                        Tatar, Yakut, Mordvin, do they all have a "Russian spirit"?

                        Yes, these are quotes from my posts, but ...
                        So I did not understand where the quote in which I write is Russia for Russians?
                        Will we apologize?
          3. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 27 November 2019 21: 45
            0
            Quote: Tusv
            The subject of the Russian Empire sounds proudly

            Thank you, you're right.
          4. svp67
            svp67 28 November 2019 04: 08
            +1
            Quote: Tusv
            . The subject of the Russian Empire sounds proudly

            Yes, you are a MONARCHIST, my friend ... Then the icebreakers "Malyuta Skuratov" and "Alexander Benkendorf" should be more to your liking.
        2. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 27 November 2019 20: 11
          +4
          Quote: Marconi41

          And why didn’t iron Felix please you? In addition to the Cheka, he led a committee to combat street children and achieved great success.

          Sorry, he did NOT FIGHT with street children, he saved them.
        3. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 27 November 2019 20: 35
          0
          Icebreaker Prince Alexander Nevsky. After all, the prince won the battle in the ice.
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 27 November 2019 20: 45
            0
            After all, the prince won the battle in the ice.

            Well, if for fun. The world's first icebreaker by the Teutonic Knights bully But All the same, we’ll give the first laurels to Stepan Osipovich Makarov
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 27 November 2019 21: 46
              +1
              Quote: Tusv
              But All the same, we’ll give the first laurels to Stepan Osipovich Makarov

              I AM FOR !
            2. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 27 November 2019 23: 57
              +1
              Sedov, Schmidt, Voronin, Litke - worthy names for the whole icebreaking fleet.
      5. vladcub
        vladcub 27 November 2019 21: 46
        +2
        Sergey, why did it draw you to the workers of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, and why not continue: Ilya Muromets, Svyatogor, Dobrynya Nikitich, and then the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks. That would be a fleet
        1. Marconi41
          Marconi41 27 November 2019 22: 21
          0
          Quote: vladcub
          and that it attracted you to the workers of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b), and why not continue: Ilya Muromets, Svyatogor, Dobrynya Nikitich, and then the Central Committee of the CPSU (b). That would be a fleet

          The main thing is that without search. There is an icebreaker Ivan Susanin, it sounds kind of beautiful, but if you think about it, it’s not clear where such a vessel can lead.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 27 November 2019 23: 32
            +1
            Quote: Marconi41
            ... it’s not clear where such a ship can lead.

            And it depends on whom.
    2. Arthur 85
      Arthur 85 27 November 2019 19: 06
      +1
      Not, under that name, at least a heavy cruiser, or even an aircraft carrier. In general, a good trip. More ships, surface, and underwater, and coastal complexes, and aircraft!
    3. Proton
      Proton 27 November 2019 19: 51
      +7
      They don’t lay, they (up there yes ) Stalin, as everyone is afraid of fire, that's why they push him away everywhere. angry
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 November 2019 21: 46
        +1
        Quote: Proton
        Stalin, as everyone is afraid of fire, is why they push him away everywhere.

        Without a doubt.
    4. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 27 November 2019 20: 45
      +2
      And it is better if this name will be carried by the SSBN. The lead boat "Generalisimus Stalin", the second "Marshal Beria" ...
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 November 2019 21: 39
      +1
      Quote: Theodore
      Lay Joseph Stalin! Here is a raiser !!!

      I agree !
    6. Lycan
      Lycan 27 November 2019 22: 32
      0
      Such a name will be actively interfered with in shipping, mending various "accidents" like rams, EMP, causing forced decay of hard-to-reach parts of the casing, winding ancient bottom chains and cables on screws, lobbying for bans on entry to foreign ports.
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  3. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 27 November 2019 19: 07
    +1
    The Arctic is waiting !!!
  4. cniza
    cniza 27 November 2019 19: 08
    +2
    In St. Petersburg laid the second combat icebreaker of the 23550 project "Nikolai Zubov"


    Someone in the West got sick ...
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 27 November 2019 19: 48
      +2
      Quote: cniza
      In St. Petersburg laid the second combat icebreaker of the 23550 project "Nikolai Zubov"


      Someone in the West got sick ...

      Still, the Russians are exploring the Arctic.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 27 November 2019 20: 37
        +2
        Quote: Balu
        Still, the Russians are exploring the Arctic.

        From the point of view of the western man in the street, we are brazenly occupying it. How can one occupy what is rightfully Russian for several centuries. noble bills fool
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 27 November 2019 20: 39
          +1
          Quote: Tusv
          Quote: Balu
          Still, the Russians are exploring the Arctic.

          From the point of view of the western man in the street, we are brazenly occupying it. How can one occupy what is rightfully Russian for several centuries. noble bills fool

          They don’t know Russia, they don’t understand, therefore they are afraid
          1. cniza
            cniza 27 November 2019 21: 02
            +2
            They believe that we took it from them, at least.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 27 November 2019 21: 11
              0
              Quote: cniza
              They believe that we took it from them, at least.

              Schazzz Let them defrost their dignity with Ours. Well, then let them consider it. Sorry or something laughing
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 November 2019 21: 47
        +1
        Quote: Balu
        Still, the Russians are exploring the Arctic.

        The Arctic!
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  6. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 27 November 2019 19: 11
    +7
    All the same, AK 176 is our everything !!!
    1. cost
      cost 27 November 2019 19: 37
      +3

      Gun characteristics
      Caliber mm 76,2
      Barrel length, mm / calibres / 59
      Shell weight, kg 5,9
      The initial velocity of the projectile,
      m / s 980
      The principle of loading
      Rate of fire
      rounds per minute 30, 60, 120-130
      Gun mount specifications
      The total mass of the AU, kg 11 without ammunition
      13 with ammunition
      The radius of the sweeping along the trunks, mm 4400
      Trunk angle, ° -15 ° / + 85 °
      Maximum speed of vertical guidance, ° / s 30 °
      Maximum horizontal guidance speed, ° / s 35 °
      Maximum firing range, m ground targets: 15 (effective range 700)
      Reach for height, m ​​7000
      Calculation of installation, people 2
      Ammunition per barrel 152
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 27 November 2019 20: 24
        +6
        No, I have nothing against. I tested this installation in my youth with my own hands. Like the AK 630. It is constantly being upgraded as I understand it. So, I have no special complaints about both cars. Everything is quite well done. As much as possible.
  7. Brturin
    Brturin 27 November 2019 19: 17
    +5
    Here's another ... For the first three quarters of this year, Russian shipyards placed orders of more than 275 billion rubles for 60 vessels, with a tonnage of more than 200 tons. More ships good and different ...
    1. cost
      cost 27 November 2019 20: 19
      +4
      The civilian sector accounted for over 80% of the total number of orders and 60% in monetary terms. Priority was given to the ships of the icebreaker fleet. They accounted for 39% of orders in the amount of 197,6 billion rubles. Submarines got 38% and 105 billion rubles, respectively. Dry cargo ships and fishing vessels are the leaders in terms of quantity. This is respectively 38 and 22% in quantitative terms, 9 and 22% of the total amount in monetary terms.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 November 2019 21: 50
        +1
        Quote: Rich
        In the number of leaders, dry cargo vessels and fishing vessels. This is respectively 38 and 22% in quantitative terms, 9 and 22% of the total amount in monetary terms.

        Tell me, are these orders private or public?
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 28 November 2019 00: 44
          +1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          private or public orders

          investment quotas have now been introduced with fishing ones - if you want to fish or crab, build a ship in Russia, the private trader orders, but ...
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 28 November 2019 09: 39
            +1
            Quote: BrTurin
            investment quotas have now been introduced with fishing ones - if you want to fish or crab, build a ship in Russia, the private trader orders, but ...

            So I asked you about your last BUT. So private traders order merchant and fishing vessels or the state ????
            1. Brturin
              Brturin 28 November 2019 12: 10
              +1
              As for fishing vessels, subject to investment quotas, a private trader orders and pays for them, but this is the condition that the state sets for him - as an example, the Sakhalin company Ostrovnoy-Krab will build two crab fishing vessels for 2,8 billion rubles under the quota in exchange for investment "". As for the rest you need to look at, the schemes may be different. Novatek with gas carriers is one story, the cruise "Mustafa Karim", which has completed sea trials, is funded by the state (if I am not mistaken) and is leased ...
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 28 November 2019 12: 37
                +2
                Quote: BrTurin
                As for fishing vessels, subject to investment quotas, a private trader orders and pays for them, but this is the condition that the state sets for him - as an example, the Sakhalin company Ostrovnoy-Krab will build two crab fishing vessels for 2,8 billion rubles under the quota in exchange for investment "

                Everything here is written correctly, but in any case, the newly-made company "Ostrovnoy-Crab" is a private company, and the private trader will build whatever he wants and where he wants to build it no longer state ships, like warships, but frequent ships, and plus to this I will bring one quotation According to Leonid Petukhov, Director General of ANO API, a corresponding agreement on project support was concluded between the Agency and the investing company. According to Yuri Trutnev, this is done so that “most of this order for ships came exactly here, to the Far East, so that it would be profitable for customers to work with Far Eastern shipyards. Of course, construction in China is cheaper even after customs clearance of the vessel, but the point is that the auction and quotas imply construction on domestic lines. Someone may not be happy, but these are the terms of the deal.
                1. Brturin
                  Brturin 28 November 2019 13: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  the construction is on domestic roads. Someone may not be happy, but these are the terms of the deal

                  Where the whip (quotas), where the carrot (leasing), but I hope the situation with the loading of the shipyards will improve ... the market is the market, but the state. participation is necessary ... wait and see ...
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 28 November 2019 13: 46
                    0
                    Quote: BrTurin
                    but state participation is necessary ... wait and see ...

                    Yes, see. But another thing confuses, the age of the company is only six months, and suddenly there is such a stir around it. Why?
                    1. Brturin
                      Brturin 28 November 2019 13: 56
                      +1
                      Excitement ... This news came first, here is another .. The first crab according to investment quotas was laid in the Far East, the cost of the lead vessel is about 1,5 billion rubles. The Far East Coast fishing company will build four crab anglers at the Vostochnaya Shipyard ... Russian shipyards should be built 41 crab. The main thing is that this mechanism would work and not only in crabs ...
  8. Wiruz
    Wiruz 27 November 2019 19: 50
    +2
    Gentlemen, comrades, a little off topic, but one question torments me. Why, for example, the frigates of pr.11356 and pr.22350 are named according to the principle "Rank + surname", and the patrolmen, what are these, what is pr.22160, what is the BDK pr.11711, by name and surname? Well, it would be a question of civilian people, without shoulder straps. But....
    What prevented the name of the ship "Vice-Admiral Gren"? It even sounds better to me. And then everyone around is admirals, and Gren is just Ivan.
    Take the same corvette "Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov". Why not "Sailor Tsydenzhapov"? Or just by name and surname? Many of those in whose honor the ships were named bore the title of Hero, but this was not emphasized.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 27 November 2019 20: 41
      0
      I agree, in the tradition of the Russian Navy: destroyer Lieutenant Ilyin, cruiser Vladimir Monomakh Dmitry Donskoy.
    2. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 27 November 2019 20: 45
      +6
      Honestly, I have repeatedly raised the issue of the name of the ships on the same site.
      No one did not answer anything intelligible, but they threw a bunch of minuses. On this I calmed down.
      It wasn’t even my first name that bothered me anymore, but who came to my head to rename the battleship "Storm" to "Kozelsk" ?!
      Miracles however.
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 27 November 2019 20: 59
        +2
        and who came up with the head to rename the battleship "Storm" in "Kozelsk" ?!

        I myself did not like the idea of ​​renaming the "bad weather" ships in honor of the cities. Already "Hurricane" sounds much nicer to the ear than "Mytishchi". The only clear explanation for this is that the city, after which the ship is named, takes patronage over it. Somehow ... I do not know about you, I personally do not like to realize this ... for the sailors it is insulting
        1. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 27 November 2019 21: 16
          +4
          Yes, I heard about this doctrine.
          Honestly, I don't understand what a kind of "patronage" means!
          Will warm socks be sent to the crew from Mytishchi or will they collect the stew all over the city? Maybe the administration will allocate money for the repair of diesel engines? Some sort of insanity next.
          By the way, it’s interesting, but the population of the same Mytishchi is in the know, what is it responsible for the ship?
      2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 27 November 2019 21: 13
        +4
        Quote: Benzorez
        It wasn’t even my first name that bothered me anymore, but who came to my head to rename the battleship "Storm" to "Kozelsk" ?!

        You may wonder why exactly the "cities" "went" so massively in the 90s. to the fleet. Chefs were needed so as not to bend in those years (mostly food was carried on ships). Patronage implies the provision of material assistance - a TV set for the wardroom or gifts for the crew ... TV sets will not appear from "Storm".
        1. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 27 November 2019 21: 33
          +5
          With all due respect, but today is not 95 tea. And not even '98.
          Milliards are on the accounts of the state (according to the same website). Shame and shame - unfortunate RTOs are kept at the expense of people who just saw the sea in the picture.
          Well, somehow it’s not solid, however ...
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 November 2019 21: 54
        +1
        Quote: Benzorez
        No one did not answer anything intelligible, but they threw a bunch of minuses. On this I calmed down.

        I don’t argue, they will zamusunut. My opinion is to call ships the names of Heroes. Ships are called shipowners, this is their choice.
      4. vladcub
        vladcub 28 November 2019 21: 26
        +1
        Gas cutter, but what do you dislike about Kozelsk? Ancient Russian city
        1. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 28 November 2019 21: 43
          +2
          "Gas cutter, why don't you like Kozelsk? An old Russian city"
          I personally have nothing against Mr. Kozelsk as such.
          It is not entirely clear to me how he relates to the attack ship of the Black Sea Fleet? And the main thing! And what is the name "Storm" which did not justify itself to his face?
          In addition, I am strongly against renaming ships under construction. Moreover, he left with the name "Storm" welded on and painted with white paint. This edge is not a good thing. Here mark my word. Not a good thing ...
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 28 November 2019 21: 52
            +1
            Quote: Benzorez
            It’s not entirely clear to me how sideways it relates to the strike ship of the Black Sea Fleet?

            In Google, type "Kozelsk evil city". You will understand everything. There are many and different storms, there is only one Kozelsk.
      5. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 28 November 2019 21: 33
        0
        Quote: Benzorez
        It wasn’t even my first name that bothered me anymore, but who came to my head to rename the battleship "Storm" to "Kozelsk" ?!

        The names of the warships are selected by a special department in the Ministry of Defense, they are assigned by order of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy.
        By the way, not only the stew was sent as help, but often from the city on the ship of the same name was called.
    3. Tusv
      Tusv 27 November 2019 21: 00
      -2
      Why, for example, the frigates of pr.11356 and pr.22350 are named according to the principle "Rank + Surname", and the patrolmen, what are these, what is pr.22160, what is BDK pr.11711, by name and surname? Well, it would be a question of civilian people, without shoulder straps. But....

      The series in the names carries a semantic load. Let's say that the same name can be carried by several ships of different series. For example, "Admiral Makarov" and "Stepan Makarov", as the admiral of the fleet and the creator of the world's first icebreaker (not yet named, but necessary) hi
  9. Potter
    Potter 27 November 2019 20: 18
    +4
    Nikolai Zubov is a worthy name for an icebreaker. Rear Admiral Engineer, polar explorer. The Russian naval officer, a participant in the campaign of the 2nd squadron and Tsushima on the destroyer Brilliant, who died in this battle, was picked up by the Bodry destroyer, who reached the neutral port, among most of the crew.
    Lieutenant colonel in the army of Kolchak, by the way. He was in exile, sitting in Butyrka. Member of expeditions to the famous Perseus, head of expeditions to the icebreaker Sadko. In the Second World War - a cautorang, chief of staff of the icebreaking flotilla. Since 1943 - caperang, assistant to Papanin at the Main Sea Route. Since 1944 - Director of the Oceanographic Institute. The importance of oceanography for the fleet, especially as it became oceanic, must be understood. Especially for the submarine nuclear fleet.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 November 2019 21: 58
      0
      Quote: Potter
      Nikolai Zubov is a worthy name for an icebreaker. Rear Admiral Engineer, polar explorer.

      A worthy sailor, a worthy name for a ship. Ilya Vasilievich Vasiliev, also a worthy founder of Sevmorput, told me about it.
  10. RideMaster
    RideMaster 27 November 2019 21: 50
    0
    It would be better if they immediately installed the PCR. No, and so cool, but immediately with rackets even better)
  11. amr
    amr 27 November 2019 23: 20
    0
    Quote: Flood
    You are now engaged in a provocation. This time.
    You would first explain to a person that you yourself are not of Russian nationality. These are two.

    Why provocation, he’s right! by the way and said beautifully!
  12. Sitearvi
    Sitearvi 27 November 2019 23: 20
    +1
    Fighting icebreaker, sounds proud and menacing!
  13. Klingon
    Klingon 27 November 2019 23: 33
    -1
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Good news. Sin to complain.

    the good news is that * reserved a place for rocket weapons * which means you can push Zirconia there drinks
  14. Mentat
    Mentat 28 November 2019 12: 01
    0
    Quote: 30 vis
    Quote: Alien From
    But the fact that the president praised the factory workers for their "work" and not for "work" is very good!

    Yesterday on Channel One in the news at 18-00, a commentator describing the bold act of a young man and a young man (they did not let the pedophile take away an eight-year-old girl), describing the man, said - "simple hard worker "It was hard to pronounce Working! ... In my opinion this is a public neglect of the Working class. What is shameful for the leading TV channel.

    It is shameful to try to suck out something that is not there and stick it on an innocent person.
    You would have pulled the Russian to begin with before making such statements.
    "Worker" is not synonymous with the word "hard worker", soothe your gall itch.
  15. Mentat
    Mentat 28 November 2019 12: 09
    0
    Quote: Tusv
    Quote: Marconi41
    And in general, not so bad a man was, although a Pole.

    Russian is not a nationality, it is a way of thinking. The subject of the Russian Empire sounds proudly

    In fact, Russian is just a nationality. You should not bring everything to the point of absurdity and deny the very existence of Russian people.
    One can say “Russian in spirit”, “Russian in mentality”, “Russia is my Motherland, I grew up here, I consider myself Russian”. Going to extremes, leaving no room for the existence of Russian people by blood, overwriting and denying this, is not worth it.

    Your phrase will be correct if you write: "Russian is a way of thinking."
  16. vladcub
    vladcub 28 November 2019 21: 19
    +1
    [quote = Marconi41] [quote = vladcub] why did it attract you to the workers of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, and why not continue: Ilya Muromets, Svyatogor, Dobrynya Nikitich, and then the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks (b). That would be a fleet [/ quote]
    The main thing is that without search. There is an icebreaker Ivan Susanin, it sounds kind of nice, but if you think about it, it’s not clear where such a vessel can lead. [/ Quot
    Actually, I enumerated epic heroes, and we don’t know Ivan Susanin from epics or fairy tales