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The demographic abyss in Russia: how to avoid the extinction of the population?

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In Russia, the birth rate continues to decline. In the fall of 2018, it was higher by 8%. At the same time, mortality is increasing, and the country's population is declining. You don’t even have to fight with our superpower, it will empty itself at such a pace. And this is the main problem of modern Russia.


Fertility in Russia is very low


If we analyze the demographic situation in most of the “Russian” regions of the Russian Federation, we can draw very disappointing conclusions.

The birth rate is falling most rapidly in the European part of Russia. In the Central Federal District, the population is declining by 0,5% per year, and in some regions - by 0,8% per year. Such rates of population decline can easily be compared with neighboring Ukraine, but there was war there, Crimea and the republics of Donbass disconnected there, there is a huge outflow of labor migrants to Russia and the EU countries. Anyway, Ukraine is seen in Russia as a negative example, the “404 country”, and yet, if you think about it, our situation is no better!

Only Moscow and the republics of the North Caucasus show a slight increase in the birth rate. But in Moscow, a high birth rate is an inevitable consequence of the large presence of internal and external migrants, among whom people of childbearing age predominate. In addition, migrants from Central Asia and the Caucasus go to Moscow, whose families have always had a good birth rate. But the neighboring Moscow region shows a decrease in both the birth rate and the population, which only confirms the thesis about the connection of the demographic successes of the capital exclusively with migration.


Natural population growth in the fall of the 2019 year takes place only in the 17 regions of Russia. Among them are 6 of the Caucasian republics: Dagestan, the Chechen Republic, Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkaria, Karachay-Cherkessia, North Ossetia-Alania, Siberian national regions - Tuva, Buryatia, Altai Republic, Republic of Yakutia - Sakha, Yamalo-Nenets and Khanty-Mansiysk district, as well as the Tyumen region and Moscow.

In the Yamalo-Nenets and Khanty-Mansiysk districts and the Tyumen region, as in Moscow, population growth is associated with youth migration, the emergence of families of migrants and the birth of children. With the exception of regions attractive for migration, we see that natural growth is preserved only in the national republics of the Caucasus and Siberia and is due to national traditions and a high number of traditional patriarchal families.

But over the past year, the rate of natural population growth has decreased even in regions such as Chechnya and Dagestan. In September 2018, in these regions, as in other Caucasian republics, the birth rate was higher than now. But, of course, in the Central Federal District, the situation with the birth rate is generally disastrous. Even the enormous at first glance flows of external migration help to slightly change statistics only in Moscow, in the remaining regions there are practically no Central Asian migrants, or they are present there without families.

Why is fertility declining?


The main reason for the deplorable demographic situation is the reduction in the average number of births per woman. In terms of fertility, Russia lags behind many countries and regions of the world. Of course, no one relies on the performance of West Africa (in Niger, Mali, Burkina Faso, an average of 5-7 children is born per 1 woman), but in Russia they are insufficient even for simple reproduction of the population. By the way, fertility indicators are also declining: in the 2018 year in Russia they amounted to 1,58 per 1 woman, and in the 2019 year - already 1,55.

In Russia, the average age of marriage is gradually increasing, respectively, and the number of children born in a marriage is decreasing. This is connected not only with the socio-economic situation, and not even so much with it, but with general sociocultural transformations in the life of our country and the world as a whole. The duration of childhood and adolescence increases, their age boundaries shift up. Half a century ago, a young family did not surprise anyone, where the father of 21-22 was only years old and his mother was 18-20, but now, on the contrary, such families are more likely to surprise: we are seeing them more in a socially disadvantaged environment , and their existence does not last long.

On the other hand, the vast majority of young people of this age are now socially (rather than physiologically) - adolescents who study, less often - work in low-paid jobs. They are not able to support a family for financial reasons, to keep it - for moral, psychological and behavioral. Mostly parents of guys and girls also oppose marriage at a young age, since they understand very well that such a family with a probability of 60% will break up in the coming years, and then they will have to keep grandchildren in addition.

The decline in fertility in the younger category of childbearing age is at the fastest pace. Only in the last three years, Russians between the ages of 20 and 30 have begun to give birth at 15% less often than their peers even in the recent 2014 year. If we compare with the generation of parents, then now 20-29-year-old Russians give birth in 2,5 times less often than their peers in the 1990 year. The reasoning that in modern Russia the birth rate has increased in the age category older than 35-40 years does not stand up to criticism, since the total contribution of such "old-born" to the birth rate is still minimal.


More than half of all registered marriages break up. For most Russians, divorce has ceased to be a real life tragedy. In fact, this is only a banal change of partner, which before marriage, a woman could have more than a dozen. Women are used to divorces and prepare themselves for them even before they enter into an official marriage - both in legal terms, taking care of premarital property, and in psychological too.

But if more than half of the families break up, then who will give birth in the first marriage years to three or even two children? What to do a divorced 24-year-old woman with two or three children? The chances of getting married are reduced, financial problems are enormous and it is good if there is support from parents. The state, verbally caring for motherhood and childhood, actually invests little and a little in the way it should be invested in real support for families with children.

Of course, the undisputed conquest of the Putin era was maternal capital. Since Russia does not boil down to Moscow, St. Petersburg or Novosibirsk, in small towns and rural areas the amount of maternal capital is quite decent money, for which you can buy a small isolated apartment or a whole house, albeit without any frills. But housing is housing, but with financial assistance to young families in the country, everything is very bad. And it would not be worth the government to justify itself by saying that children's allowances supposedly can fall into the hands of some mysterious large families of young oligarchs who do not need money, or alcoholics and drug addicts who will inevitably drink and skip them.

For the vast majority of Russian families, the birth of a child, and especially two, three or four, is a serious blow to the budget. And you can make up for this blow only by paying normal children's allowances until the 18 anniversary of the child. Even if these benefits would be even half of the formal (not real, please note!) Living wage of the child, that is, thousands of 5 rubles per one, this would already be a huge increase. And a family with three children for an extra 15 thousand rubles could have lived much easier than now, when this money is simply not there.

It is clear that among Russian parents there are both wealthy people and finished alcoholics. But both those and others are an absolute minority in relation to the bulk of the population. And do not pay millions of normal families children's allowances out of fear that even 5% of their recipients will turn out to be dishonest people and they will drink these allowances, this, alas, is only a duty excuse.

How vicious is the point of view that people give birth to children supposedly for themselves. Of these "born for themselves" consists of the state as a whole. And the soldiers, factory workers, policemen, pilots, doctors, teachers and even librarians with cleaners do not serve and work for their parents, but for the state and society.

Is it possible to rectify the situation?


A decrease in the birth rate, a reduction in the number of marriages, and an increase in the real age at marriage are a worldwide trend. This is sad, but it is. However, the state on a national scale must take care of its security, and today the main threat to national security is not so much even the country's external adversaries as the banal extinction of the population. And this threat must be fought, the problem that caused it must be addressed.

How? It is clear that you cannot force people to marry and give birth at the stroke of a pen; a whole range of efforts is needed to popularize the family and procreation. And the main components of this complex are financial support and the creation of a sociocultural foundation for the popularization of the family and fertility.

Of course, the most important measure of real financing for raising the birth rate is to pay normal wages, which could support a family with three or more children. Such salaries, unfortunately, in modern Russia receive an absolute minority. If we take four children, an unemployed mother and father, then such a family simply will not be able to live on less than 100-150 thousand rubles (unless you talk about survival when you choose what to buy - socks for the eldest son or average cowards, potatoes or pasta) .


Financial support for childbearing should be provided at a high level by the state. Child benefits should be paid to all families with children and represent at least some real amount. For families with a large number of children or with one parent, such benefits should be paid at least in the amount of a living wage for each child. The birth of a large number of children, subject to their upbringing under normal conditions and by normal members of society (so as not to produce lumpenized layers), should be considered by the state as an honorable function that deserves maximum financial and social encouragement.

Families with many children should have the opportunity of real financial support from the state, provision of housing (even if they have their own, but not enough in area), and mothers and fathers with many children (if they live in the same marriage with their mother) should enjoy the right to early retirement, and not 2 years earlier, but significantly - 5-10 years earlier (depending on the number of children).

Much attention should be paid to measures to preserve the family, which should also be comprehensive - from financial support to a real fight against manifestations of domestic violence. If we talk about the sociocultural foundation, this is the propaganda of childbearing and family in the media, the neutralization of negative content that is destructive for family relationships. Young people should see that a strong and large family enjoys real respect and real privileges in society, and does not receive a “letter of honor” every two years from the deputy head of the municipality for social issues.

But the main question is whether it is possible to count on all the above measures of social and sociocultural support for the family, motherhood, fatherhood and childhood in the current conditions, given the socio-economic and political course that the leadership of our country follows? So far, unfortunately, the current government does not demonstrate a genuine desire to solve the social problems of the population.

Moreover, anti-people’s measures, such as raising the retirement age, most likely create a feeling that the state is indifferent to its citizens and their problems, and what kind of increase in the birth rate, what kind of overcoming the consequences of a demographic catastrophe can be discussed?
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 28 November 2019 15: 12
    +36
    Since Russia is not reduced to Moscow ...
    ??
    Yes, my personal opinion is that everything goes to the historical restoration of the Moscow principality! Here, they say, there will be princes, and you, the mob, there ... For the rings in the huts dwell! And do not forget to bring tribute to the capital city!
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 28 November 2019 15: 17
      +29
      Demographic disaster. Is there a chance to save Russia from extinction?

      While we go by cunning ways and breakthroughs - NO! Russia has already lost millions of citizens (compared to 1991), and there are no prospects for change - this year - 200 ...
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 28 November 2019 16: 16
        +2
        No matter how much and whatever we talk about the population of the country, everything will be the same with the current government!
        Because Russia is not governed by a DEFINITELY forming nation - not by Russians, but by representatives, i.e. "titular" national minorities.
        And it dates back to 1917 and to the administrative-territorial division of RI by the Bolsheviks - and above all by Lenin himself - according to the so-called. the sign of the "titular" nationality, in which there was no place in the management of the country by the Russians, whom Lenin defined as "derzhimords, scoundrels and rapists."
        Russia has become a state of national minorities.

        In the same spirit was the draft national arrangement of Russia and Hitler in case of victory over the USSR. The reduction of the Russian population under the supervision of the peoples of the national suburbs of Russia, the replacement of Russians by newcomers.
        Thatcher generally dreamed of only 15 million people in Russia.

        Thatcher: The population of Russia should not exceed 15mln!
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 28 November 2019 16: 32
          +47
          And this dates back to 1917 to the administrative-territorial division of the Republic of Ingushetia by the Bolsheviks -


          If you are engaged in a real increase in the well-being of the people, then the results will be in a few years. The Bolsheviks are an example to you. And the liberals have been reforming something for 30 years, they keep the proceeds from the sale of oil in Western banks, while attracting some mythical investors, the country is in ruin, and all the Bolsheviks are to blame for you.
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          2. Tatyana
            Tatyana 28 November 2019 22: 45
            -10
            Quote: glory1974
            If you are engaged in a real increase in the well-being of the people, then the results will be in a few years. The Bolsheviks are an example to you. And the liberals have been reforming something for 30 years, they keep the proceeds from the sale of oil in Western banks, while attracting some mythical investors, the country is in ruin, and all the Bolsheviks are to blame for you.

            Well, for that matter, for the sake of objectivity, here's a demographic fertility chart for 1000 years since 1913 in the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR, and the Russian Federation.
            Draw your own conclusions.
            TOTAL Under the Bolsheviks, birth rate was not as smooth as it seems to you. The trend is the same - population decline. Moreover, it was mainly the Russian population that decreased, and it was precisely thanks to the LENIN Russophobic national policy of anti-power for the Russian people! And the current liberals are the heirs of the Trotskyists.

            REFERENCE
            The Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU) is the ruling (for most of the history of the Soviet Union, the only) party in the USSR, the leading political force in Soviet society. According to the 6th article of the 1977 Constitution of the USSR, it was "the guiding and guiding force of Soviet society, the core of its political system, state and public organizations."
            Former names
            In 1898, 9 representatives of Russian social-democratic organizations gathered in Minsk - the St. Petersburg, Moscow, Kiev, Yekaterinoslav Unions of the Struggle for the Emancipation of the Working Class and the General Jewish Labor Union. This collection went down in history as I Congress of the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party.
            Already at the second congress of this party (held in July - August 1903 in Brussels and London), two movements took shape in this party, two factions - the Bolsheviks (led by V.I. Lenin) and the Mensheviks (leader - Yu. Martov). From Bolshevik faction within the RSDLP and led its pedigree of the CPSU.
            In 1912 year at the IV (Prague) All-Russian Party Conference, the Bolsheviks formed a separate party - the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party (Bolsheviks) (RSDLP (b)).
            This name of the CPSU had up to 1918 year when the Seventh Congress of the RSDLP (b) decided to rename the party into the Russian Communist Party (Bolsheviks) - RCP (b)
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 28 November 2019 23: 05
              -3
              Quote: Tatiana
              1000 birth rate demographic

              A typo.
              Read - for 100 years since 1913.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 29 November 2019 04: 15
                -8
                You are a stubborn anti-Soviet woman, which means an automatic machine and Russophobia, whatever they write.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 29 November 2019 07: 30
                  0
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  You are a stubborn anti-Soviet woman, which means an automatic machine and Russophobia, whatever they write.
                  This is you pseudo-proletarian internationalist-Russophobe.
                  Thanks to demagogues like you, the USSR collapsed
                  on so n.t. former national Soviet republics, in which apartheid prevails against the Russian people, "titular" Nazism is flourishing.
                  All this is the litmus "mistake" of the Russophobic Bolsheviks when they created the world's first Soviet proletarian state.
                  And Gorbachev's "perestroika" in the USSR was not Russian, but the Harvard and Houston projects.
                  We are with such "blind believers" in politics, as you and the Russian Federation will lose! However, if you yourself are not Russian, then your national anti-Russian Bolshevik chauvinism can be understood.
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 29 November 2019 08: 19
                    -6
                    Understand, phhhhost!
                  2. EvilLion
                    EvilLion 29 November 2019 08: 25
                    +5
                    Russians, in contrast to the nationalities, live in cities where the birth rate is much lower than in backward villages.
                  3. gafarovsafar
                    gafarovsafar 29 November 2019 09: 11
                    -1
                    well, give birth to five more children for the benefit of the Motherland and attach to those whom you have already given birth if you have given birth, of course.
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            2. EvilLion
              EvilLion 29 November 2019 08: 24
              +1
              Now explain how Lenin set up demographic problems in Europe, against which Russia is still not bad, and, for example, in Japan, which is fertile at the level of Bulgaria, 1.3 both there and there.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 29 November 2019 09: 08
                -1
                Quote: EvilLion
                Now explainhow Lenin arranged demographic problems in Europe,

                Firstly, the question is demagogic and stupid - it leads away from the essence of the problem, since it’s not about Europe, etc., but about Russia!

                And secondly, take the trouble to speak with me in "you"! Otherwise, I don't speak to anyone here.

                I don’t dance with such people. Girls.
              2. EwgenyZ
                EwgenyZ 30 November 2019 09: 13
                +3
                Quote: EvilLion
                Now explain how Lenin set up demographic problems in Europe, against which Russia is still not bad, and, for example, in Japan, which is fertile at the level of Bulgaria, 1.3 both there and there.

                Yes, everything is very simple, both in Russia and in Europe: both there and there there was an attack on traditional values, only in Russia it was carried out by the communists, and in Europe by the liberals. And since, in fact, these phenomena are "brothers", twins, one might say, but fiercely hating each other, then the result is, in principle, the same. Only in Russia the commies did not bring the matter to its logical conclusion, did not have time, so we have more chances to get out if we try; but the Europeans and all "civilized" mankind were less fortunate, there are already "flowers" (open sodomy, childfree, sex education in schools, etc.) are turning into "berries" (decline in fertility, extinction, replacement of the indigenous population by newcomers) ...
                1. ak747
                  ak747 3 December 2019 08: 02
                  0
                  Then why did the birth rate fall in Islamic Iran, where the traditions are in full order, and the Sodomites are undergoing the death penalty?
            3. Glory1974
              Glory1974 29 November 2019 09: 29
              +4
              Moreover, it was mainly the Russian population that decreased, and it was precisely thanks to the LENIN Russophobic national policy of anti-power for the Russian people!

              Lenin was in power from 1917 to 1924 for a maximum of 7 years. Since then, it was possible to change everything 100500 times. Therefore, your statement reminds of an anecdote that the most powerful weapon on the planet, the Aurora cannon, fired once and the consequences for 70 years.
              The funny thing is that we hear such statements constantly:
              1. Medvedev D.A. "The communists put the country on the oil needle. We have been trying to get off it for 30 years. (At the same time, our dependence on oil has tripled)
              2. Ivan the Terrible accustomed to corruption, giving posts for feeding. Since then, all Russians are corrupt, but the government is not to blame, Ivan the Terrible is to blame. (since the government began to fight corruption, it has grown 3 times).
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 29 November 2019 12: 45
                0
                Quote: glory1974
                Lenin was in power from 1917 to 1924 for a maximum of 7 years.

                First, Lenin retired due to illness in 1922. The rules are essentially 5 years.
                In addition to Lenin, the country was ruled by Trotsky, Zinoviev, Bukharin and Co., with whom Stalin fought!

                The mystery of Trotsky. What his heirs want. E. Spitsyn. I. Shishkin • Oct 31 2019 year
                1. Glory1974
                  Glory1974 2 December 2019 09: 09
                  +2
                  First, Lenin retired due to illness in 1922. The rules are essentially 5 years.
                  In addition to Lenin, the country was ruled by Trotsky, Zinoviev, Bukharin and Co., with whom Stalin fought!

                  I understand it. What does Trotsky have to do with the decline in the birth rate 100 years after his death?
                  I’m going upstairs now. They live with their mother in a 2-room apartment in a room of 12 square meters. She has a salary of 15 thousand, he has 30-35, one child. With such incomes, they can’t even dream of a mortgage or a second child. If she goes on maternity leave, her family’s income will be 8500 rubles per person.
                  According to you, Trotsky is to blame!
                  In general, you are of course a smart woman, well-read, but be closer to the people, and people will reach. hi
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 2 December 2019 17: 26
                    -1
                    Quote: glory1974
                    According to you, Trotsky is to blame! In general, you are of course a smart woman, well-read, but be closer to the people, and people will reach.

                    You are either completely "none" in this topic, or you are simply being ridiculous over me!

                    Check out at least for a start on "VO" with the article "Attempt to create a" Khazar republic "in Soviet Russia" (July 20, 2011) -
                    https://topwar.ru/5660-popytka-sozdaniya-hazarskoy-respubliki-v-sovetskoy-rossii.html

                    Pay attention to the passage in this article:
                    Was this project a boon to Russian Jews? Unlikely. The Jew has long been rooted in Belorussia, in Ukraine, and has gained the opportunity, with the fall of the “Pale,” to move to Petrograd, Moscow, and other major cities. And then they were torn away from their native places and taken to start all over again, with unknown perspectives. Plus, the resistance of the already existing in the Crimea "autonomy" - Tatar, which was "infected with the ideas of nationalism and Pan-Turkism, the leadership of Tatar autonomy complained to Moscow, but she always took the side of the" Khazar Republic ". As a result, when the chairman of the CEC of the Crimean ASSR, Veli Ibragimov, arrived in Moscow, he was arrested by the OGPU, accusing him of "hiding bandits." Then "cleaned" and his entourage. Opponents of Jewish "autonomy" - 132 people were shot on charges of "nationalist sentiment" and "counter-revolutionary conspiracy."
                    1. Glory1974
                      Glory1974 3 December 2019 08: 34
                      0
                      just be hungry over me!

                      Who else is being hungry is a question.
                      I am writing specific examples to you why they do not give birth to children, and you tell me about events 100 years ago.
                      You remind me of the Narodnaya Volya, who "were terribly far from the people, did not understand their needs and aspirations."
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 4 December 2019 11: 24
                        -2
                        Quote: Glory1974
                        Who else is being hungry is a question.
                        I am writing specific examples to you why they do not give birth to children, and you tell me about events 100 years ago.
                        You remind me of the Narodnaya Volya, who "were terribly far from the people, did not understand their needs and aspirations."
                        You write me specific examples, which I do not deny, but rather, on them, I logically develop your thought further in its content. And I spread to you my further logical conclusions, which I will now theoretically explain to you. Namely.

                        Your specific examples from a scientific point of view are just a sampling from the general statistical sample in the field of demography for all examples in general. At the same time, the participants in the "VO" post both negative "point" examples with their reasons, and positive examples with their reasons, in which children are 4-5 or more.
                        General addition of all point examples with reasons gives a general statistical result for each year, in particular, both numerically and causally.
                        1. According to numerical data, a demographic graph is being built in the country, starting in 1923, which shows the general pattern of demographic decline in the country. I presented this schedule to you above. True, it turned out to be somewhat small and poorly read, but nevertheless, the picture of the decline in the population of the USSR / Russia on it is clearly visible, as a general pattern, starting in 1917.
                        The blue line is the birth rate (in ppm).
                        The red line is mortality (in ppm).
                        Green - population growth (per mille).
                        Although this graph is somewhat small, the overall picture on it is clearly visible. Demographics in the country have been falling since 1917.

                        2. If, according to formal logic and the dialectical-materialistic method, we move from specific к the general , then the reason for all this - according to the schedule - will be sought already with the transition from a specific particular reason to a common reason at a universal level and theoretically according to the practical application of the principles of dialectics:
                        - the principle of transition from simple to complex,
                        - historical principle - consideration of the phenomenon by years,
                        - The principle of consistent historical continuity (over 100 years),
                        - the principle of ascent from private к the general and then to universal via special.

                        In other words, when considering the phenomenon of demography in our country - the USSR / RSFSR / RF - we must find a common reason for today's phenomenon, which appears in the form of a universal FEATURE of this phenomenon in our country.
                        One of these reasons is the political Russophobia "at the top" in the circles of those in power, since 1917, since the population decline in% by nationalities is carried out precisely at the expense of the historically state of the forming Russian people.
                        It was here that the whole "dog" was initially buried as an interethnic problem, the picture of the decline in demography in the country. And how it happened - this is what we need to understand.
          3. olimpiada15
            olimpiada15 29 November 2019 15: 15
            +6
            "if you are engaged in real welfare improvement" What are you talking about? What kind of welfare? The opposite process has been organized and is being implemented, the success of which is shown in demography today. And the authorities are not going to change anything. Is that the calculation methodology so that the numbers do not look depressing.
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 2 December 2019 09: 11
              +2
              "if you are engaged in real welfare improvement" What are you talking about? What kind of welfare?

              So I’m talking about this. The question is who is to blame.
              Some blame the Bolsheviks and Trotsky for this, and I say that the liberals, who have been in power for 30 years, are to blame. What is your opinion?
        2. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 28 November 2019 16: 41
          +34
          Everything is much simpler.
          Current leaders cannot lead. Rather, they didn’t even try. Once to them.
          Just greedy kodla seized upon the untold wealth of Russian.
          They have no time to think about the country, about people.
          Hurry to live tasty. Everywhere you need to go. Deputies boast of conquering the mountain peaks, and a visit to Antarctica. Yachts need to be built, money to collect a couple of dozen pallets ....
          In general, as in du.raka shag. laughing

          Yes, and they do not care about someone else's fertility - enough for their age slaves. wassat

          ps Under Nicholas II, Russia came to first place in the world in terms of the rate of natural population growth. The growth during his reign amounted to 50 million people.
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          2. valeryb
            valeryb 30 November 2019 16: 35
            +1
            Quote: Vladimir16
            Everything is much simpler.
            Current leaders cannot lead. Rather, they didn’t even try. Once to them.
            Just greedy kodla seized upon the untold wealth of Russian.
            They have no time to think about the country, about people.
            Hurry to live tasty. Everywhere you need to go. Deputies boast of conquering the mountain peaks, and a visit to Antarctica. Yachts need to be built, money to collect a couple of dozen pallets ....
            In general, as in du.raka shag. laughing

            Yes, and they do not care about someone else's fertility - enough for their age slaves. wassat

            ps Under Nicholas II, Russia came to first place in the world in terms of the rate of natural population growth. The growth during his reign amounted to 50 million people.


            But didn’t you choose them?
            1. olimpiada15
              olimpiada15 2 December 2019 20: 00
              +1
              If there was a column "against all" in the voting ballots, it would be clear that they did not elect, because often people do not come to elections without a choice, 4% of voters often vote for an elected deputy. With a wide turnout of 40% and a number of those who voted for 30%, it turns out that a person who was supported by 12% of the total number of voters became a deputy. This is a common pattern.
          3. ELEZKIY
            ELEZKIY 4 December 2019 16: 08
            0
            infant mortality, by the way, too
        3. Victor N
          Victor N 28 November 2019 17: 04
          -17
          A normal person plans his position in society as part of a family, not a loner. This is the normal instinct of procreation, everything else is perversion. Without a family, it is difficult to survive in the struggle with life problems; family ones do not like single people. We all of old age do not become attractive, but rather - nasty bores. The rejection of singles should be cultivated in society, condemned in the family, up to the prohibition of communication. It is necessary to treat public morality.
          1. Vladimir Dyakov
            Vladimir Dyakov 28 November 2019 17: 58
            +12
            The rejection of singles should be cultivated in society, condemned in the family, up to the prohibition of communication. It is necessary to treat public morality.

            Introverts with sociophobia to the camps, yes, well, or just bring to suicide.
            1. Victor N
              Victor N 29 November 2019 14: 34
              +1
              Do not go to camps. To treat is possible, because a mentally healthy person desires procreation. And society should take this criterion first.
              Childless, after reaching a certain age, not to be allowed into the field of education, pediatrics, possibly - to the public service. When a society is in great trouble, tough measures are needed. But families of the whole should be fully supported. This is overdue! You need to act immediately, at least with respect to your subordinates.
          2. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 28 November 2019 22: 34
            +12
            Quote: Victor N
            It is necessary to treat public morality.

            In addition to financial assistance to young families. At the state level, normal, good, kind propaganda of the family and children is needed. We need films about ordinary normal families with children. Children's films. Russian fairy tales in the end! In the Caucasus, all these transmissions of "Malakhovs-dogs and other genetic tests of male stars" are not watched. The Caucasus lives by its own laws, in its own world .. Someone does not benefit from the growth of the Russian (culturally) population. I see a huge number of single young men and women .. Many are well over 27 -32 years old .. At the same time, most are firmly on their feet. Yes, and parents do not live badly by material standards. Something strange happens .. I can’t understand. Yes, there is another reason. A huge variety of childless couples. Children want .. Maybe the reason is Chernobyl or, what the hell is not kidding. The notorious "Bush Legs" chicken legs .. food from the early nineties ..
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 28 November 2019 23: 37
              +9
              Quote: 30 vis
              Quote: Victor N
              It is necessary to treat public morality.

              In addition to financial assistance to young families. At the state level, normal, good, kind propaganda of the family and children is needed. We need films about ordinary normal families with children. Children's films. Russian fairy tales in the end! In the Caucasus, all these transmissions of "Malakhovs-dogs and other genetic tests of male stars" are not watched. The Caucasus lives by its own laws, in its own world .. Someone does not benefit from the growth of the Russian (culturally) population. I see a huge number of single young men and women .. Many are well over 27 -32 years old .. At the same time, most are firmly on their feet. Yes, and parents do not live badly by material standards. Something strange happens .. I can’t understand. Yes, there is another reason. A huge variety of childless couples. Children want .. Maybe the reason is Chernobyl or, what the hell is not kidding. The notorious "Bush Legs" chicken legs .. food from the early nineties ..

              My children perceive, mainly, Soviet cartoons. On Bush’s legs - a doctor recently complained to me - paracetamol, which came from the United States with humanitarian aid, was excellent
              Made in the Russian Federation must be taken in double quantity, otherwise it does not work. On the topic - I did 4, if everything goes fine, adopt or adopt in a couple of years an abandoned child.
          3. olimpiada15
            olimpiada15 2 December 2019 20: 27
            +1
            You are out of touch with reality. I have acquaintances women who have no children, most were not married. They are smart, educated, good-looking, good-natured. They have a quiet life: they work, rest, look after their appearance. There is no pressure on those who do not breed. Women with children suffer, they are often fired, left without a livelihood, while they have a house, food, cleaning, upbringing, education, and when children grow up, as they say, "small children - small worries, big children - big worries" and all life is not up to itself. And in the name of what? To suffer myself, and then see how your children suffer. We live in a state that is hindered by the people, an unnecessary, unnecessary link.
            1. Victor N
              Victor N 4 December 2019 14: 50
              -2
              The desire for reproduction is inherent inherent in the family, tribe, nation, society. Who does not participate in this process is doomed. He is sick, he must either be treated or forced. To survive, society MUST manage the process - tough and cruel. Do this relying on all the institutions of the state.
              Your women acquaintances only seem healthy and sweet, they will inevitably, over time, turn not into beloved grandmothers, but in all nasty old women (even to themselves). This retribution for suppressing healthy instincts is IMPOSSIBLE. Check out ....
        4. Vadim237
          Vadim237 28 November 2019 22: 56
          -6
          You do not lay out your idols anymore - they are already dead, and what they said went to the other world with them.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 28 November 2019 22: 59
            -2
            Quote: Vadim237
            You do not lay out your idols anymore - they are already dead, and what they said went to the other world with them.

            And with your idols we - Russia and its state forming a people - will also not live long! So that sweet future for a long time under the current government by and large do not flatter yourself!
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 29 November 2019 10: 40
              -11
              My idols do not govern and did not rule. In the next 10 years, everything will work out for Russia and 5% of GDP per year and the birth rate will go up and everything else will even out - you have to be more positive.
          2. Varyag71
            Varyag71 29 November 2019 11: 09
            +5
            prove once again that you and lackeys and slaves like you.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 29 November 2019 15: 51
              -4
              Slaves are you, your laziness and your head.
              1. Varyag71
                Varyag71 2 December 2019 09: 24
                +1
                yes write and say as much as you like, but you have long shown your slavish nature.
        5. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 29 November 2019 04: 13
          0
          Lenin personally for Thatcher wrote instructions in the January theses, so they say, and so Ritka, proceed to clean up.
        6. Mastrer
          Mastrer 30 November 2019 11: 05
          +1
          What kind of nonsense? Those. Lenin made the USSR the state of national minorities, then for 70 years demography was more than normal — except for the failure of the great Russian one, and then, as soon as the USSR collapsed, the cunning plan worked. So what?

          Mnogohodovochka however ...
    2. Calm
      Calm 28 November 2019 16: 32
      +19
      Already there is talk that the Moscow Ring Road is surrounded by a large fence, and there are people behind it and Zamkadysh call them dirty, uneducated people in bast shoes, knock on gravel with a pitchfork and look into the cracks, a lack of intelligentsia can be considered a plus))
      1. depressant
        depressant 28 November 2019 19: 40
        +28
        Well, listen to everything that happened to me today.
        I read a book on my mobile phone, because I know exactly the time when it all started. Namely at 13.45. At the entrance there was a terrible cry: "Good people, help!" The scream went on and on, and he was desperate, such that I, the very introvert who is offered
        destroy, turning off the cell phone, ran out into the stairwell. Having difficulty, due to the echo, realizing that the scream was coming from the floor above, she rushed there and found an old woman there who began to inaudibly explain that the person was feeling bad and everything was fine, he made tea, but fell down. I resolutely entered the apartment. An elderly man lay on the kitchen floor and wheezed terribly, his eyes closed. Under the head is a cushion. The old woman, turning the phone in her hands, said that she did not know how to call an ambulance, and continued to vote. Having said that I would do everything myself, I returned home and called 112. They asked me to indicate the symptoms, and when I mentioned wheezing, I ordered the pillow to be removed from under my head. Since the neighbors are new and I don’t know them, I had to call myself and give my apartment number — I didn’t find an intercom on them, and there was no hope for the old woman — obviously almost deaf. The ambulance 112 arrived surprisingly quickly, already at 14.10, and even a notification came to my mobile phone that the call was accepted. A young doctor, such a healthy girl, began a survey of an old woman, who turned out to be 94 years old, and the patient was her son. Leaving, I looked around the house. God, what a poverty! What poverty there is - poverty: two folding beds, covered with army blankets, and that’s all. And the same beggarly cuisine. And then she thought: what am I talking about? Yes, they are still rich in comparison with me! At least their walls are not shabby.
        But immediately another thing came.
        Why only I rushed to help? Indeed, in the apartments of Khrushchev’s everything that happens in the entrance is audible. A guy slipped by, having lost his mother not so long ago, even earlier - his brother, and now his father - with a stroke. And now he pretended that all this didn’t concern him. The neighbor on the site didn’t come out, because of the door of which there was the sound of a working TV, which was very muffled. Other. And then, when the ambulance left, having established a decent gray-haired man, non-drinker as a diagnosis, and, unlike me, a non-smoker, everyone began to slowly snort out of their apartments, setting off on business.
        Do not go out ...
        But if you think that I condemn these people, then you are mistaken.
        Unnecessary. She is hanging in the air. By cunning neurolinguistic devices, she is inspired by the TV screen and the device of life. The unnecessity of a Russian person in the Russian land has been imperceptibly creeping into consciousness for thirty years now and is doing its dirty work, separating us and accustoming us to think that the state does not need us, which means that we also do not need each other. The complete, absolute depreciation of the Russian man. The excess of his presence on the land of ancestors. And why then the children?
        I encountered a similar story about two months ago in the center of the village. A man was lying on the pavement. Epilepsy - there is, foam, shaking hands. The little women were groaning and, groaning, passed by. But I don’t carry a cell phone; it is a jewel for me. And, as in this case, I, a hard introvert, had to take everything into my own hands, organizing a 112 call from someone else's phone. Because every Russian is my brother.
        1. Private89
          Private89 28 November 2019 22: 06
          +6
          It seems that only trouble that will come to every home can unite us.
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 28 November 2019 22: 39
            +7
            Quote: Private 89
            It seems that only trouble that will come to every home can unite us.

            Today they remembered that the war unites the people .. But !! God forbid, war and grief to the Russian people! Enough ... Pouring Russian Blood!
          2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
            Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 29 November 2019 09: 03
            +2
            It’s clear that trouble and unrest unite us, but it’s better without it !!! And it turned out sometimes in the past, to take at least an example of part of the 19th century!
        2. Victor N
          Victor N 29 November 2019 14: 42
          -1
          But grandchildren would be nearby .....
    3. DRM
      DRM 28 November 2019 21: 53
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Since Russia is not reduced to Moscow ...
      ??
      Yes, my personal opinion is that everything goes to the historical restoration of the Moscow principality! Here, they say, there will be princes, and you, the mob, there ... For the rings in the huts dwell! And do not forget to bring tribute to the capital city!

      This is what Voinovich predicted in "Moscow 2042"
      1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
        Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 29 November 2019 09: 05
        +2
        By the way, the other day I was re-reading Chonkina and Moscow - no, this is a controversial and anti-Russian Voinovich ... Sometimes it was even disgusting to read!
    4. smart ass
      smart ass 30 November 2019 07: 41
      +2
      In my opinion, there are only two reasons, low incomes of citizens and lack of affordability of housing. I remember that my child’s infant formula was nestle + diapers for a month cost around 10 ty, just eating and eating the child without everything else.
  2. Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 28 November 2019 15: 15
    +50
    It’s cheaper to bring 10 Tajiks into the country than to help raise 1 Russian child. Well, Slavic servants and guards can be recruited, for themselves, even with a population of 1-2 million. However, they can also be replaced by phillipinki and blacks. Elite is not interested in the rest.
    1. DAC scratch
      DAC scratch 28 November 2019 15: 30
      +14
      correctly noted, we have some kind of curves, if the birth of children is "economically ineffective" and it is useful to import migrants
      1. garrett
        garrett 28 November 2019 15: 42
        +3
        give birth

        grammar nazi requires punishing this anonymus)))
        1. DAC scratch
          DAC scratch 28 November 2019 16: 06
          0
          excuse me
  3. Nasrat
    Nasrat 28 November 2019 15: 17
    -10
    I’m sure that most commenters have no more than one child ... I’m also sure that many of them could financially pull two more pluses, but what about the new car (rest in the south and so on, etc.)? refuse a new car (relaxation, spa salons, etc.) - loss of status! I have 90% of engineers and technicians - no more than one child, although I can’t say that they are miserable .. I ordered gifts for the children of employees for the New Year - it's ridiculous - there are more employees than children (!), Although the bulk are only one half of the family (only husband, only wife) ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 28 November 2019 15: 23
      +28
      Quote: Nasr
      I am sure that most commenters have no more than one child ...

      You would have to work with such intuition in the meteorological center ... belay
      Unfortunately, my family managed to give birth to only one. And here are not material reasons, but medical indications ... And my friend (at work) still cannot "conceive" with his wife ... Also medical indications ... And the other has three (one foster and two of his own) ...
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 28 November 2019 15: 26
        -10
        Your example of three people is of course statistics!
        but let’s take an example of Uzbekistan (a country from the USSR) - there the population has increased over the years, in my opinion from 20 million people. up to 33 million people (I could be wrong in numbers, but the order is correct) .. these are the very people who sweep our streets, build our roads and houses, clean up after us in supermarkets .... and they have such an increase in population !! ! People are not leaving for a rough job to another country from a good life ... and yet - population growth! It is impossible to blame the whole problem on medical indicators and poverty, because there is a living example of one of the former republics of the USSR ... and you can’t say anything against the facts ...
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 28 November 2019 15: 36
          +9
          Are you calling us all to live like Tajiks with Uzbeks ?? Yes, beyond the Moscow Ring Road, the majority is not very much better already.
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 28 November 2019 15: 38
            -6
            Quote: paul3390
            Are you calling us all to live like Tajiks with Uzbeks ?? Yes, beyond the Moscow Ring Road, the majority is not very much better already.

            Do you want to live like Europe - so there is a decrease in the birth rate ... choose ...
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 28 November 2019 15: 40
              +20
              Yes, we should at least get back to the level of the USSR ... With the exception of million-plus cities, everything is much worse ..
              1. Nasrat
                Nasrat 28 November 2019 15: 50
                -1
                Quote: paul3390
                Yes, we should at least get back to the level of the USSR ... With the exception of million-plus cities, everything is much worse ..


                The population of the RSFSR is 147 million people. (000)
                As of January 1, 2019, the population in Russia was 146 510 064 people.

                when Russians do not give birth, non-Russians do it with pleasure, and in Russia !!! So think about it ...
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 28 November 2019 16: 03
                  +15
                  What is there to think? For people to give birth to children, first of all, they need at least some kind of prosperity among the people and confidence in the future. To produce the Gol-Shmol without any prospect, as our Central Asian brethren by reason in Russia, no one will. For the climate is not the same, and it’s a shame in the richest country to produce future rogues. In our dung dung, a bowl of pilaf and in one dressing gown, it’s impossible to live stupidly. Especially when everyone remembers that only 30 years ago - everything was completely wrong ..
                  1. Nasrat
                    Nasrat 28 November 2019 16: 08
                    -17
                    Well, of course, you are from the Aryans, how come in one coat and in a hut !!! . With high thoughts about a great past, this people will die out ... But proudly!
                    1. paul3390
                      paul3390 28 November 2019 16: 10
                      +23
                      And you - go Zimbabwean Negro? Which nothing but a bunch of bananas, bandages on the backside and dancing around the fire doesn’t require anything in life?
                      1. Nasrat
                        Nasrat 28 November 2019 16: 15
                        -2
                        Quote: paul3390
                        And you - go Zimbabwean Negro? Which nothing but a bunch of bananas, bandages on the backside and dancing around the fire doesn’t require anything in life?

                        Imagine - I know Russian and my family by name from the 16th century (records were preserved in a rural church) ... so that he would not break off, conceive three children and work a lot ... health has become not enough recently, I’m afraid I won’t raise my fourth health ... and I don’t eat bananas ...
                      2. Fan-fan
                        Fan-fan 28 November 2019 18: 23
                        -1
                        You still need to get a little smarter.
                      3. Varyag71
                        Varyag71 29 November 2019 11: 19
                        0
                        He is most likely from among God's chosen people. His thoughts and words are inherent in them.
                  2. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 28 November 2019 16: 43
                    -10
                    30 years ago in the RSFSR there were 4 million abortions a year in the 90s every year 1,5 million people died more than they were born now in Russia they undergo 300-400 thousand abortions a year this year 200000 more people were born than I was born - I I would not call it a demographic catastrophe with a population of 146 million people - you can stimulate the population to give birth to 1,6 million rubles for every third and subsequent children, but will there be enough money in the budget if, after the adoption of such a law, a million or more families give birth to a third and subsequent children.
                    1. at84432384
                      at84432384 29 November 2019 16: 55
                      -1
                      This year the budget surplus, i.e. not spent money, three trillion. This is three thousand billion! This is nearly 2 million times 1,6 million each. Would that be enough? I think quite.
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 29 November 2019 20: 16
                        +1
                        And in Russia - there is nothing more to spend these three trillion on; are there no other problems?
                      2. at84432384
                        at84432384 29 November 2019 20: 56
                        -2
                        Since a surplus has formed, then, according to the authorities, there is nothing to spend money on in Russia. And where this money will go Siluanov has already voiced, as in previous years for the purchase of securities and currencies of the USA, England, Japan, Germany, China. We support the economies of these countries.
                      3. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 29 November 2019 22: 02
                        -2
                        Quote: at84432384
                        Since a surplus has formed, then, according to the authorities, there is nothing to spend money in Russia

                        Young man, here the crisis is expected, global, economic, they say. Subcutaneous need. Not? wink
                      4. EwgenyZ
                        EwgenyZ 30 November 2019 09: 33
                        +2
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Young man, here the crisis is expected, global, economic, they say. Subcutaneous need. Not? wink

                        Subcutaneous - one more child in the family, another factory on which someone from this family will work, another school, a revived village .... This is subcutaneous, for the country. And the securities are subcutaneous for Siluanov and Co.
                      5. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 30 November 2019 09: 47
                        -3
                        Quote: EwgenyZ
                        Subcutaneous - another child in the family, another plant on which someone from this family will work, another school, a revived village .... This is subcutaneous, for the country

                        No. This is demagoguerybuddy.

                        A country cannot live without money. More precisely, maybe. But not for long and bad. In the 90s I went through this personally, do not argue, it’s not worth it.
                      6. EwgenyZ
                        EwgenyZ 30 November 2019 10: 05
                        -2
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        A country cannot live without money. More precisely, maybe. But not for long and bad. In the 90s I went through this personally, do not argue, it’s not worth it.

                        The fact of the matter is that it cannot. The question is how to dispose of them, to support the family and industry or to "uncle" in the office in Manhattan. An increase in population will not immediately bring huge profits, but in the long term it will give a greater supply of "buoyancy" to the state than keeping "fat cats" "over the hill".
                      7. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 30 November 2019 10: 10
                        -3
                        Quote: EwgenyZ
                        An increase in population will not immediately bring huge profits, but in the long term it will give a greater supply of "buoyancy" to the state ...

                        The words are correct. But they were said out of place. You have to live to see the "long-term perspective", you see.

                        The crisis that I wrote about is expected in the 20th - 24th year. To overcome his state money will be needed. If you don’t understand this, I’m not your doctor.
                      8. at84432384
                        at84432384 2 December 2019 16: 24
                        -1
                        A crisis of the world financial system is expected, i.e. with its beginning, green rubles turn into candy wrappers. And what kind of "safety cushion" can you talk about? This tale, invented by Kudrin, is only for people who do not know political economy. If you haven't studied, take a book and read it. It's even easier to listen to the macroeconomist Khazin on YouTube - he explains very popularly even to people without special training. And the fact that the state cannot but have money, you will find in the same place, economist Kasatonov will explain this. Good luck!
                      9. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 2 December 2019 19: 37
                        -1
                        Quote: at84432384
                        for people who do not know political economy. If not studied, take a book and read

                        Laughing, thanks. Politek and other such "science" were pushed into us (and into me) in 79-80. What is called - if you want to forget - you won't forget request

                        Quote: at84432384
                        economist Kasatonov

                        Kotonosov.

                        I do not argue with those who believed - I just do not see the point. Good luck yeah yes
                      10. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 30 November 2019 16: 31
                        -3
                        Here is our big business and proposed to invest up to 70 trillion rubles in Russia for: industry, energy, agriculture, science education, infrastructure, export, trade services, etc. - the government wants to implement and launch 24 trillion projects using these investments until the 30th.
                  3. Victor N
                    Victor N 28 November 2019 17: 15
                    +6
                    You don’t have to think much - you need to love your family, love your children, respect yourself and your beloved ancestors.
                  4. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. 28 November 2019 17: 20
                    +4
                    I often go to my neighbors - to Finland. The climate is similar to ours. Confidence in tomorrow is above the roof. Sufficiency, benefits, in short - everything for the people at any time of the year. One is a maximum of two children per family.
                    1. nikvic46
                      nikvic46 28 November 2019 20: 25
                      +6
                      Andrei. You are right. In this country, much is being done anywhere to raise children. In our country, if a man brings a certificate on child care, they may not understand it. In Finland, this is the law of things.
                2. WIKI
                  WIKI 28 November 2019 22: 11
                  +3
                  Quote: Nasr
                  As of January 1, 2019, the population in Russia was 146 510 064 people.

                  The total number of foreigners who received citizenship of the Russian Federation from 1992 to 2018 is 9. And that in the rest 344 394 137 people.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 28 November 2019 23: 03
                    +1
                    You beat these 9 million by nationality. And what kind of remainder are you talking about if they became Russian citizens, we have another 1,5 million residents of Donbass who receive Russian passports automatically and citizenship.
                    1. WIKI
                      WIKI 28 November 2019 23: 08
                      +2
                      In my opinion, the main issue of demography is fertility, not emigration .. Have you read the article?
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 29 November 2019 10: 44
                        -6
                        Such articles have been riveted every year for 30 years - sheer blah blah, and every year they contain the demography of Russia - a disaster inflated from fly into elephant - "We are dying out", in fact, this is already tired.
                      2. WIKI
                        WIKI 29 November 2019 10: 47
                        0
                        I didn’t say a word about the disaster, but only pointed to the non-objective nature of the figures he cited.
          2. marshes
            marshes 28 November 2019 15: 43
            +3
            Quote: paul3390
            Are you calling us all to live like Tajiks with Uzbeks ?? Yes, beyond the Moscow Ring Road, the majority is not very much better already.

            Yes, better than Uzbeks and Tajiks.
          3. Potter
            Potter 28 November 2019 16: 14
            +2
            Most people outside the Moscow Ring Road work in the Moscow Ring Road.
          4. Vadim237
            Vadim237 28 November 2019 16: 35
            -9
            And beyond the Moscow Ring Road - that there are no other million-plus cities?
        2. marshes
          marshes 28 November 2019 15: 42
          +1
          Quote: Nasr
          let's take an example of Uzbekistan (a country from the USSR) - there the population has increased over the years, in my opinion from 20 million people. up to 33 million people (

          There was a rumor that under Karimov women who gave birth to more than three children were sterilized so that the child was born and went to Kazakhstan, it is not the United States that automatically gives citizenship, otherwise we would have had more than half of the Uzbeks.
        3. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 28 November 2019 18: 29
          +1
          You would look at the statistics for Uzbekistan. And not just the one you like. Fertility is falling there.
      2. Victor Lutvin
        Victor Lutvin 28 November 2019 15: 57
        +11
        I myself am from the Republic of Belarus, work colleagues, those who are 30 all have difficulty conceiving. All through IVF, whoever does it, who doesn’t. It feels like they processed something at one time. I hardly believe in Chernobyl.
        1. at84432384
          at84432384 29 November 2019 18: 16
          +4
          There was such an institute in the USSR, called IKI. There were carried out all kinds of experiments with the effects of radiation on the human body. No regularities were really discovered. So there is no need to sin on Chernobyl. Now there is a lot of noise about "digitalization", although no revolutions in the field of microelectronics have happened, but after Dolly the sheep, absolutely nothing has been heard about genetic engineering. The topic is taboo. And along the perimeter of the former USSR (Kazakhstan, Georgia, Ukraine), dozens of biological laboratories have been opened with incomprehensible purposes ... In the Russian Federation, doctors state an increase of 1000 (!) Times in the number of cases of autism. Not 1.5, not B2, but 1000! A sharp increase in cancer. Medicines, especially vaccines, are either of Western origin or are made from Western ingredients. Insecticides and pesticides are all Bayer, which absorbed the infamous Monsanto. The seeds from wheat to carrots are of western origin. This is where you need to look for the roots of such a "sudden" female and male infertility. Moreover, geneticists have learned to make drugs of racially selective effects. Some biologists are trying to convey this to the people (the authorities are not interested, and they themselves, if not directly, then indirectly, participate in this), but they are not allowed on the high rostrum, but about the mythical "warming" - please. The war with the Russian people is going on on all fronts - social, material, cultural, and biological invisible to the eye.
          1. Victor Lutvin
            Victor Lutvin 29 November 2019 19: 39
            +3
            At one time after the collapse of the USSR, ads appeared throughout the Republic of Belarus to buy hair. I asked my mother why this is, my mother seems to be wearing wigs. After so many years I understood why, for analyzing DNA. By the way, in Ukraine, biological laboratories are not developing flu shots. I think this is all links in one chain.
            1. at84432384
              at84432384 29 November 2019 21: 11
              0
              There is such an interesting Bulgarian Petkov. He knows a lot about this (for a long time and at a high level he was rotating in this environment) and several videos with his interview on this topic have been posted on YouTube. As for influenza vaccinations, he believes, and at the same time convincingly proves that the manufacturers of the vaccines themselves are spreading the influenza virus. There is such an alignment: the flu epidemic lasts about 2 months, and the required amount of influenza vaccine can be created in only 6 (!). This means that both the poison and the antidote were created in the same place at the same time and launched into "circulation" with a small time difference. Considering government purchases in tens of millions of doses, this is colossal money. And the flu is just a special case ...
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 1 December 2019 01: 41
            +1
            In China, they gave birth to genetically modified children who are genetically immune from certain diseases.
      3. Professor
        Professor 28 November 2019 19: 20
        +2
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Quote: Nasr
        I am sure that most commenters have no more than one child ...

        You would have to work with such intuition in the meteorological center ... belay
        Unfortunately, my family managed to give birth to only one. And here are not material reasons, but medical indications ... And my friend (at work) still cannot "conceive" with his wife ... Also medical indications ... And the other has three (one foster and two of his own) ...

        1. Adopt this simultaneously solve two problems. For myself and for the child.
        2. Do not get it wrong, but for money the problem of infertility is solved. Our government pays for it. For tourists this is not cheap.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 28 November 2019 15: 35
      +27
      Quote: Nasr
      I am sure that most commenters have no more than one child

      I have three ..
      Quote: Nasr
      I’m also sure that many of them could financially pull the plus of two more,

      What is the basis of your confidence that they can pull ..? If I could do more, I would have five ..
      If people had confidence in the future and had sufficient salaries, there would be no birthrate problems in the country .. and if the state were also socially oriented, population growth would be guaranteed.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 28 November 2019 15: 41
        -1
        in countries where the economy is significantly stronger, fertility is also falling. it’s not about confidence in tomorrow at all.
        1. vvnab
          vvnab 28 November 2019 18: 42
          +7
          in countries where the economy is significantly stronger, fertility is also falling. it’s not about confidence in tomorrow at all.


          The strength of the economy and confidence in the future are loosely coupled things. Processes, trends are important, not absolute indicators. If today is better than yesterday, and tomorrow is expected to be better than today, then a person multiplies. If the economic situation worsens, even if it is even very insignificant and it is still a long way to the real need, then they will not have children. Even, conventionally, "swimming in gold".
      2. Nasrat
        Nasrat 28 November 2019 15: 42
        0
        Quote: Svarog

        If people had confidence in the future and had sufficient salaries, there would be no birthrate problems in the country .. and if the state were also socially oriented, population growth would be guaranteed.

        Now the trend in the world is that the higher the standard of living, the lower the natural population growth ...
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 28 November 2019 16: 21
          +12
          Quote: Nasr
          Now the trend in the world is that the higher the standard of living,

          You're lying. Insolently. Open Russian Forbes and count the children. Much higher than the average for the Russian Federation.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 28 November 2019 16: 27
            -16
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            Quote: Nasr
            Now the trend in the world is that the higher the standard of living,

            You're lying. Insolently. Open Russian Forbes and count the children. Much higher than the average for the Russian Federation.

            Deushka, in addition to yourself, are you able to hear anyone?

            You were told a perfectly correct and obvious thing: the birth rate, for example, in European countries (where the level of salaries is much higher than Russian) also falls. The reason is not in the salary, as such, but in the heads. As usual, however.

            And try not to scream so heart-rendingly, not everyone here likes it. This is good advice.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 28 November 2019 18: 31
              +5
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              The reason is not in the salary, as such, but in the heads.

              I don’t know, maybe there is a reason in your head. But in the rest of the world, the cause is the economy.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 28 November 2019 20: 43
                -8
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                maybe there’s a reason in your head. But in the rest of the world, the reason is the economy

                Come by ... those negative
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 28 November 2019 22: 36
                  +2
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Come by ... those

                  How can I get past if someone is wrong on the Internet? laughing
        2. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 28 November 2019 17: 50
          +9
          Quote: Nasr
          Now the trend in the world is that the higher the standard of living, the lower the natural population growth ...

          Do you have any reasons of your own? I would not say that the standard of living in the RSFSR was low. The moral was just different. And the people did not live behind bars and iron doors. And according to your "parable" the population of Russia should have crossed the 200th barrier long ago. Or do you think that the standard of living in Russia with a minimum wage of 000 is a dream of life? This is in an area where the average annual temperature is depicted with a minus sign ...
          That's right about the Uzbeks reminded ... They were the first to fly into space, it was they who invented the AK and S-400 ... And what wonderful architects, designers, inventors they are ... And how many Uzbek paintings the world admires ... fellow
          But do you care about all this?
          Remember, and tell your rati:
          In prison (in the area) population the contingent is not subject to the laws of reproduction, but is determined by the head of the regime ...

          It’s free, people don’t know another country where a person breathes so freely ...
        3. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 28 November 2019 22: 50
          +6
          Quote: Nasr
          Now the trend in the world is that the higher the standard of living, the lower the natural population growth ...

          You have to work young a lot. Judging by my children. They leave for work at 7-00 and arrive at 21-22 hours .. They earn not bad. Plus nerves, stress, ... The truth is, and my generation worked hard. More than half of my friends are no longer alive ... And I am 61.
      3. marshes
        marshes 28 November 2019 15: 47
        -5
        Quote: Svarog
        If people had confidence in the future and had sufficient salaries, there would be no birthrate problems in the country .. and if the state were also socially oriented, population growth would be guaranteed.

        And with us, and without confidence, in the future, the number is growing. It’s a lot of damn single mothers with a lot of children and what if their mother will be fed, only dream about a future pension, if every child will give 10% of earnings, then old age is not bad it will be possible to live.
        So the conclusion is begging, pension is evil. laughing
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 28 November 2019 15: 51
          +21
          Quote: marshes
          And with us, and without confidence, in the future, the number is growing

          Do you ... excuse me where? Are you chinese
          Quote: marshes
          So the conclusion is begging, pension is evil.

          With pensions, that's another story .. Raising the retirement age is not evil .. it's genocide. The most that is the extermination of people from 50 and beyond .. you cannot find a job, and whoever finds it, he will not babysit with his grandchildren .. otherwise he will be busy with work .. So it turns out that you live until 45-50 .. and then get ready .. This will become very noticeable in a couple of years .. and will respond to "scratching" ..
          1. marshes
            marshes 28 November 2019 16: 04
            +1
            Quote: Svarog
            Do you ... excuse me where? Are you chinese

            Kazakh, problems grow annually that the expected number of first-graders is 20% more
            Quote: Svarog
            With pensions, that's another story .. Raising the retirement age is not evil .. it's genocide. The most that is the extermination of people from 50 and beyond .. you cannot find a job, and whoever finds it, he will not babysit with his grandchildren .. otherwise he will be busy with work .. So it turns out that you live until 45-50 .. and then get ready .. This will become very noticeable in a couple of years .. and will respond to "scratching" ..

            In 98, we raised the retirement age. None have died out.
            People adapted, some Europeans changed their citizenship, and the aborigines began to "love" children and grandchildren more. And who else to hope for, if not children or grandchildren, the state simply gave up on its citizens, and even a long time ago.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 28 November 2019 16: 08
              +13
              Quote: marshes
              People adapted, some Europeans changed their citizenship, and the aborigines began to "love" children and grandchildren more. And who else to hope for, if not children or grandchildren, the state simply gave up on its citizens, and even a long time ago.

              People will adapt to everything, but who will not adapt .. that’s to the grave. But this is not right and good. Why then do you think you need a state? Why pay taxes?
              1. marshes
                marshes 28 November 2019 16: 17
                +5
                Quote: Svarog
                People will adapt to everything, but who will not adapt .. that’s to the grave. But this is not right and good. Why then do you think you need a state? Why pay taxes?

                I myself am surprised at the fig, you need a state with such a life, but I agree that the referee would set the rules, in the form of laws, And I agree to pay taxes but not half what I earned, but how to file it with the Almighty, he supposedly keeps order, the ancestors took the tithing.
              2. Fat
                Fat 28 November 2019 17: 05
                +6
                Quote: Svarog
                Why then do you think you need a state? Why pay taxes?

                By and large, the state is a "roof" if you use the gangster jargon. If you need to read Engels scientifically "the origin of the family, property and state"
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 28 November 2019 18: 32
          +6
          Quote: marshes
          So the conclusion is begging, pension is evil.

          Grandfather of the swamps. I will be grateful to accept your pension. Only in tenge do not send, it is better in dollars. laughing
          1. marshes
            marshes 28 November 2019 18: 56
            +5
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Grandfather of the swamps. I will be grateful to accept your pension. Only in tenge do not send, it is better in dollars.

            I’m unlikely to get my granddaughter my pension, and she was lowered three times in the pension fund for her measures, plus they closed loans to low-income people, spent the Internet in bending villages, restored Arys. They will also spend it on any social needs, with the hope that I will die until I retire.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 28 November 2019 19: 11
              +7
              Quote: marshes
              I’m unlikely to get my granddaughter my pension, and she was lowered three times in the pension fund for her measures, plus they closed loans to low-income people, spent the Internet in bending villages, restored Arys. They will also spend it on any social needs, with the hope that I will die until I retire.

              Patriotism is not cheap, yes. Especially forced. laughing I want to visit the capital of sovereign Kazakhstan to see what it is like. Everything is extremely dynamic there. Everything is under construction. The names of the capital are changing at breakneck speed. Yesterday, Astana, today Nur-Sultan, tomorrow Kasym-Zhomart. laughing
              1. marshes
                marshes 28 November 2019 19: 22
                +1
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                Patriotism is not cheap, yes

                My neighbor dreamed of retiring to buy a car from the passenger compartment, with all the pension. Dulia with oil, a pension in the region of 90 thousand, not bad by our standards, according to a piece of paper of a pension of more than 12 million, he didn’t warm up his patriotism in figs, I did not buy my Skoda but took Nexia, years 2002 or 2014, mileage from both 200 thousand
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 28 November 2019 19: 30
                  +4
                  Quote: marshes
                  My neighbor dreamed of retiring to buy a car from the passenger compartment, with all the pension. Dulia with oil, a pension in the region of 90 thousand, not bad by our standards, according to a piece of paper of a pension of more than 12 million, he didn’t warm up his patriotism in figs, I did not buy my Skoda but took Nexia, years 2002 or 2014, mileage from both 200 thousand

                  A happy person in essence. For future generations, apparently, the pension does not shine from the word at all. There is no other way in a capitalist economy. So we will be united together the whole planet to die out slowly.
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 28 November 2019 19: 48
                    +3
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    A happy person in essence.

                    Relatively, now it is taxing according to the patent, but from January 1, I have to give cash receipts, so I am renting out apartments, according to the patent where the amount is indicated, everything should go through the cash register.
                    If not old parents, he had already moved to Canada after his brother, that five years ago he had said that it would be realized.
                    There further, the disappearance of cash, everything is through the card, and if you are indignant, everyone will block.
                    Fingers voluntarily to get an identity or a driver will be rolled back, a little bit and they will take DNKA
        3. at84432384
          at84432384 29 November 2019 21: 29
          0
          Then the salary is a complete evil. It's time for slavery. Chowder so as not to die, they will feed you, so that they do not die from the cold, they will give rags, and if they allow you to sleep with a woman (man), you will get so much! However, if the children are allowed to survive ... "Uncle Tom's Cabin", I recommend.
    3. Overlock
      Overlock 28 November 2019 15: 36
      +8
      Quote: Nasr
      most commentators have no more than one child ...

      you are partly right and at the same time you are wrong. Discussed yesterday in "The Conflict of Fathers and Children, or the Coming of the Millennium Generation":
      - In the USA, a survey of 27 thousand young representatives of “Generation Y” was conducted. And then he showed that 15% of respondents aged 20-24 years, having come of age, did not have such a relationship.
      - women are imprisoned for a career, but not for motherhood
      -Japanese men have completely replaced any relationship with living women for a constant romance with a virtual girl-program that lives in his computer and ... a doll .. "
      This is with them, and partly with us. In our country, the economic factor plays a greater role:
      Rosstat:

      - More than a quarter (26%) of children under the age of 18 live in families with a cash income below the subsistence level (according to 2017), it follows from the results of the Rosstat study “Socio-economic indicators of poverty” (posted July 31, 2019) ;
      - the poverty level among children is twice the poverty rate for the whole country. In 2017, 13,2% of Russia's population lived below the poverty line (19,4 million people), in 2018 - 12,9% of the population (18,9 million people);
      - The problem of poverty of children is especially acute in rural areas. At the end of 2017, 45% of children living in rural areas grew up in low-income families.
      - The highest level of poverty among children who live in large families. More than half - 52,2% - of children in such families grow up in poverty.

      Large families are a factor of poverty, explained Tatyana Maleva, director of the Institute for Social Analysis and Forecasting, RANEPA. “All households that were on the verge of poverty, that is, had cash incomes close to the cost of living, fall below this line when children are born”

      Ministry of Labor: about 80% of the families that are below the poverty line today are families with children.
    4. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 28 November 2019 15: 40
      +24
      Quote: Nasr
      I am sure that most commenters have no more than one child ...

      Two. Although 30 is not yet.
      Quote: Nasr
      refuse a new car (relaxation, spa salons, etc.) - loss of status!

      Umm ... Why exactly should I give up something? Why not stop ruining the labor market, now wide open? For example, I have a third in plans, but now nothing. It is necessary to save for a hungry time, when the husband will feed five. Why shouldn't the elite get along, paying at least as in China?
      By the way. With our average salary, 1 working in a family with 3 children - starvation.
      Quote: Nasr
      I ordered gifts for the children of employees for the New Year

      Give the children a real gift. Pay their parents normally.
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 28 November 2019 15: 46
        -22
        Quote: Lannan Shi

        Give the children a real gift. Pay their parents normally.


        Madam, I assure you that the salary is normal, you just don’t have to have fun twice a year in Italy and change cars every three years .... you look and look at the children ..
        1. Varyag71
          Varyag71 28 November 2019 15: 58
          +8
          where did you come from? they clone you there?
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 28 November 2019 16: 01
            -9
            Quote: Varyag71
            where did you come from? they clone you there?

            Poke to your parents ... and I'm talking about my employees ... who like to relax in Italy and love new cars (imported). But there are few children ...
            1. Varyag71
              Varyag71 28 November 2019 16: 06
              0
              people, apparently, should love the busy dear Sochi, and the viburnum frets.
            2. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 28 November 2019 16: 07
              +5
              Yes, this is a nervous person) he writes to everyone who believes that he lives normally) now he will start yelling that you are an enemy and you need to hang on poles) better not answer)
              1. Varyag71
                Varyag71 29 November 2019 07: 27
                +3
                and you are the enemies of the motherland. Either consciously do it, or for money. Only a traitor or will glorify the current government!
            3. parusnik
              parusnik 28 November 2019 16: 50
              +18
              who like to relax in Italy and love new cars (imported).
              ... Figas, your employees snickered around, apparently they bought a Lambroggini, rested in five-star hotels in Italy and all this for one salary. I got it, bang and bought a car. I went to shine in Italy for the next salary and vacation .. Again, bang, salary apartment bought without a mortgage ... You an hour, not Miller ...? Evlampy Spiridonovich ... laughing
              1. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 28 November 2019 18: 35
                +5
                I also think that this is some kind of businessman who caught the wave and mows grandmothers, and he specially attached such a lousy photo to his nickname, supposedly from simple machine operators.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 28 November 2019 18: 49
                  -5
                  is it bad to be business?) and live well with your own head?)
                  1. Private89
                    Private89 28 November 2019 22: 30
                    0
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    is it bad to be business?) and live well with your own head?)


                    It’s not bad if you earn your labor, and do not appropriate the fruits of others.

                    “Myself, yourself ... you only know -“ yourself ”and“ for what. ” Eh, you are a dark man. You call a bai a dog, but you want to become a bai yourself. Gather laborers, you will beat them with a whip. You will be. This, brother, Marxism, you can’t get anywhere from him - science.
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 28 November 2019 23: 39
                      +1
                      it remains to understand what everyone here understands by labor) judging by these pages this is a different concept for everyone.
            4. UserGun
              UserGun 28 November 2019 18: 36
              +8
              About 75000% of the country's inhabitants receive 12 rubles, reports RIA News with reference to his research.

              The data was made based on an analysis of 27 industries.

              It is noted that more than 75 thousand rubles are received by those who are engaged in mining, fisheries and finance, as well as those who are engaged in the field of IT. But income below 15 thousand rubles is recorded among workers in light industry, education, agriculture and the restaurant business.


              According to the results, three quarters of the country's inhabitants need additional funds before receiving a salary.

              “... 38,4% of Russians often need about 10 thousand rubles to safely close the gaps in the family budget,” the study said.

              It is also noted that 6,8% need an extra 6-8 thousand rubles, and 8,4% need 5 thousand rubles, 10,2% need 3-4 thousand rubles, and 11,4% in 1-2 thousand rubles.


              This is just a quick googling on open sources.

              No, we are certainly happy for your employees, but what do the vast majority do ?! And after that you dare to joke over everyone here?
            5. Overlock
              Overlock 28 November 2019 20: 13
              +6
              Quote: Nasr
              and I'm talking about my employees ... who like to relax in Italy and love new cars (imported).

              snickering, definitely!
              Quote: Nasr
              but children have few ...

              do not have time, all overseas. Rodi - and no overseas
        2. Greenwood
          Greenwood 28 November 2019 16: 00
          +14
          Quote: Nasr
          I assure normal pay
          25-40k per month in most regions of the country - is this normal?
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 28 November 2019 16: 03
            -13
            Quote: Greenwood
            Quote: Nasr
            I assure normal pay
            25-40k per month in most regions of the country - is this normal?

            Can you read? Madame talked about the children of my employees ...
        3. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 28 November 2019 16: 02
          +24
          Quote: Nasr
          Madam, I assure you that the salary is normal, you just don’t have to have fun twice a year in Italy and change cars every three years ..

          Ugums. Translating into Russian - eat slop, dress in castoffs, live in a kennel. And multiply more actively. Nasrats need a cheap slave. You know my dear, there is such a bird, pink Oblomingo is called. No one will drive themselves into poverty.
          Again. A five-thousand-person survival technique? I don’t see the answer, except for the desire not to go to Italy. And the median we have is not even 40, but 40 with a penny. With her and 30 child is a luxury.
          1. Varyag71
            Varyag71 28 November 2019 16: 11
            +7
            I just read yesterday that 25000 is average.
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 28 November 2019 16: 14
              +8
              Quote: Varyag71
              I just read yesterday that 25000 is average.

              You know, I take mostly the data from Rosstat. I don’t even try to challenge them. And with them, everything looks very lousy.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 28 November 2019 16: 50
                +2
                Rosstat considers only official salaries - and not official salaries are closed for him.
            2. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 28 November 2019 17: 10
              +1
              This excludes envelopes and extra earnings. Self-employed and passive incomes generally disappear from statistics.
          2. Nasrat
            Nasrat 28 November 2019 16: 25
            -8
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            Quote: Nasr
            Madam, I assure you that the salary is normal, you just don’t have to have fun twice a year in Italy and change cars every three years ..

            Ugums. Translating into Russian - eat slop, dress in castoffs, live in a kennel. And multiply more actively. Nasrats need a cheap slave. You know my dear, there is such a bird, pink Oblomingo is called. No one will drive themselves into poverty.
            Again. A five-thousand-person survival technique? I don’t see the answer, except for the desire not to go to Italy. And the median we have is not even 40, but 40 with a penny. With her and 30 child is a luxury.

            Madam, why the nerves? The Russian people are dying out, another people will come ... but your life is a success! Wait when they pay hundreds of thousands of rubles, at the same costs and the same work .... only then there will be no population growth among Russians ... definitely and in this case you will not have enough money for something ... what children are here ...
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 28 November 2019 16: 32
              +11
              Quote: Nasr
              Madam, why the nerves? The Russian people are dying out, another people will come ... but your life is a success!

              Em? And what are you actually unhappy with? This is the lifestyle that the government sets. Love yourself, sneeze at all, and success in life awaits you. People just accepted the rules of the game.
              Or do you hope that the people will make mass sacrifices in the name of a brighter future, and that the chosen ones will enjoy life? Look for fools in the mirror.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 28 November 2019 16: 46
                -16
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                This is the lifestyle that the government sets.

                Does the government replace your head? My condolences.

                Quote: Lannan Shi
                People just accepted the rules of the game.

                No need to speak for others... It is correct to say this: "It was I (epithets) that accepted the rules of the game." And nothing else.

                Quote: Lannan Shi
                Look for fools in the mirror

                Hamite? This is from self-doubt. Over time, if not banned earlier laughing
              2. Masha
                Masha 28 November 2019 18: 05
                +4
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                Or do you hope that the people will make mass sacrifices,

                turn off the light more often at night and trample demography !!!! and no victims ... laughing
                1. ak747
                  ak747 3 December 2019 09: 56
                  0
                  An inverter and a pair of car batteries are cheaper than monthly maintenance of 1 child.
        4. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 28 November 2019 16: 13
          +17
          NasRat (Evlampy Spiridonovich)
          Madam, I assure you that the salary is normal.
          Where?! In Moscow?! For MKAD did not try to leave ?! An average of 20 tyrov, 30 is already the limit of happiness. Do you have children yourself? A large pack of diapers 1100 rubles. Even if you get 30 thousand, throw 8-10 for a communal apartment, 3-5 for gasoline and suck on the rest. And for one, explain to a 1,5-year-old child why he shouldn’t be able to do this and that.

          Figurine pancake found. Oh yes, I forgot, you are our employer. How much do you pay if not a secret? Although you still lie.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 28 November 2019 16: 23
            -12
            But is it necessary to be rude? can’t communicate in another way?) the fact that in your environment 30000 is the limit of happiness (more than a consultant consultant) doesn’t mean that others have the same way) you know there are people who get 80 and 150 thousand a month) and not in Moscow and not big bosses)
            1. Alexander Suvorov
              Alexander Suvorov 28 November 2019 16: 30
              +13
              carstorm 11 (Dmitry)
              But is it necessary to be rude? can't I talk differently?)
              Where did you see rudeness? Or any point of view different from yours is it rudeness?
              the fact that in your environment 30000 is the limit of happiness (more than a consultant in a connected one) does not mean that others have the same thing) you see, there are people who get 80 and 150 thousand a month)
              Yes shi? And who has these salaries? I'm embarrassed to ask, where do you live?
              If you believe that a simple hard worker has a salary of 80-150 thousand, then you are clearly not from Russia, we do not take Moscow into account, Moscow is definitely not Russia, it is a state in a state.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 28 November 2019 16: 49
                -7
                and you do not see rudeness to your opponent in your posts?) Well, I'm sorry) this is probably already education) have I said somewhere about hard workers?) Well, my employees do not receive less than 75 and what next? Khabarovsk. not hard workers of course and work a lot but with prospects. they just start with sales agents.
                1. Honest Citizen
                  Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 18: 28
                  +5
                  not hard workers of course and work a lot but with prospects. they just start with sales agents.

                  Well, everything became clear. You, my friend, seem to be a typical comvoyager and you probably do network marketing. Everything is clear - you are just the conductor of ideas of "consumption", because the more your "vparyat", the more their salary. Only you don’t think that when the last factory is closed, who will buy these things of yours?
                  Have you adapted, or, more correctly, “fit into the market”? (from)
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 28 November 2019 18: 53
                    -1
                    what is clear then?))) not network) you deny the fact that you need to eat and drink something and someone should deliver it to the stores?) it doesn’t get there by a wave of the hand)). I don’t think they’ll close it) I repeat, you still need to eat something) I didn’t adapt, but got an education and made a certain career. I am not an owner but an employee
                2. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan 28 November 2019 18: 42
                  +4
                  Yeah, another trader, if everyone goes to officials and traders, who will grow bread and bake, who sweep the streets and treat people? Another caught a profitable wave, and the rest do not care if only it’s good.
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 28 November 2019 19: 59
                    -3
                    so go grow it yourself) your whole misfortune is that you still cannot understand what trade was before you now and will be as long as humanity lives. that in order to achieve something in business you need education and more than one. that you can work not only with your hands but also with your head. Do you consider yourself original?) Remove the traders as you say and die of starvation in a fairly short time. everything is needed in this life. and produce and deliver to the buyer. you can make any kind of goods but you must be able to sell them. be able to build logistics. be able to save and develop these products. you will designate many streets and you can cure people if you have no goods in your store? so you show your neglect to children. I know hard workers who earn more than me. you also know the wave caught and mowed. what do you call them? covens?
                    1. Overlock
                      Overlock 28 November 2019 20: 18
                      +3
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      ... remove the traders as you say and die of hunger ...

                      don't argue gentlemen
                      Everyone means something in this life.
                      Both engineers and poets,
                      Cashiers, Janitors, Singers
                      And musicians, sellers. V. Kahn
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 28 November 2019 16: 53
                -4
                Simple hard workers are different and are engaged in different affairs and volumes - throughout Russia.
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 28 November 2019 16: 34
              +2
              Quote: carstorm 11
              30000 limit of happiness (cp consultant in a coherent more)

              Noodles on the ears, if it does not apply to large cities.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 28 November 2019 16: 50
                -6
                open NN yes look) Barnaul from 35000 for example, and more happens)
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 28 November 2019 17: 02
                  +11
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  open nn yes look

                  If everyone who gives announcements is imprisoned for 15 days for lying about salaries, then all this crap with tsifirkami will quickly tighten. After the employers trample the deceased, and the pigeon droppings from the attics are scooped up.
                  So, Altai Territory, the city of Barnaul. Here several of my acquaintances work (or rather worked) as sales consultants in the communication stores of the Svyaznoy network. First, about the size of their salaries.

                  I have two such acquaintances - a guy and a girl. Kirill worked at Svyaznoy for half a year and all this time received about 13-15 thousand rubles. Christina was more successful in her career as a salesperson, staying in the aforementioned store for a year. I started with 12 thousand, but then began to receive up to 25. In general, Christina's salary was not bad for our city, but why did she leave? ...

                  ... in our Barnaul vacancy they also promise from 35 thousand, although my friends received much less

                  https://zen.yandex.ru/media/itsaur/skolko-poluchaiut-prodavcykonsultanty-v-sviaznom-5ce97bc1958fa300b29a9f54
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 28 November 2019 17: 38
                    -5
                    Well, I’m glad that at least a review from Yandex and not from the blog of another loafer))) Well, you're an adult, well) of course someone gets more, someone less. it's sales) I'm talking about those who work and not stupid in the office)
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 28 November 2019 17: 50
                      +6
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      it does not taper off if you work

                      What did you offer me?
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      open NN yes look)

                      And write yourself
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      Barnaul from 35000 for example

                      "From" is "From", not "if you try hard," or whatever. The consultant should advise, and not impose any nonsense, being filled with a nightingale (they got it already). Therefore, I write that most of the numbers in vacancies are complete nonsense.
                      1. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 28 November 2019 20: 05
                        -3
                        sales consultant) from this means when all conditions are met. this is called the level. if you don’t sell then what do you pay for? for sitting in the office and playing all day on the phone or computer? this is called motivation) when they offer something, it’s just called an offer) do you know how in the old days they called in the markets?) they don’t force you to take it) but by the numbers, I also just started in the other direction) that's why I say)
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 28 November 2019 20: 24
                        +2
                        You have to write directly - the salary is from a minimum salary and higher, as a percentage of sales, and not from 35 thousand.
                        And there is nothing to load with stupid figures. I remember the article was 30 years ago, an American student came to rest for free with one dollar, after the court sided with him, and the same noodle lover quickly removed his advertising sign: "You can come here with any wallet!"
                      3. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 28 November 2019 21: 24
                        0
                        Well, this is a play on words) this does not violate the law. they write you a perspective. Well, do not write the same thing-you want a lot of money to get this money, tear one place) all the same, the wrapper matters and a lot) I bought a car in the prospectus wrote to me the city consumption 16.5))) or so I don’t remember exactly but in fact with my driving style he grew up and decently) 25 as from a bush) such a world such rules
                    2. SOUTH,
                      SOUTH, 28 November 2019 20: 48
                      +4
                      You want to say that I'm a designer sitting in the office blunt, and you catch mice on the box office?
                      1. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 28 November 2019 21: 28
                        +1
                        Well, at the box office in stores, girls still excuse me for being exhausted) the work is extremely tiring and not every man can stand it) but for your reason I don’t know your performance) maybe you can play solitaire on your computer all day or it’s like spinning with projects) it’s already you better know. in my environment there are clear criteria for effectiveness and how I have no idea.
                  2. Overlock
                    Overlock 28 November 2019 20: 19
                    +5
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    If everyone who gives ads, put on 15 days for lies about salaries

                    employers will end in a week hi
          2. Doctor
            Doctor 28 November 2019 17: 48
            -10
            Where?! In Moscow?! For MKAD did not try to leave ?! An average of 20 tyrov, 30 is already the limit of happiness.


            We finish school, study for the "C" category, go to the army, turn the steering wheel for a year.
            We come from the army, we arrive in the Belgorod region, we sit on the dump truck.



            We have been working for a year, we live on 20, put off 50.

            A year later, we take the 17-year-old Kamaz:


            We invest another 300 in it, arrange the IP, we work for ourselves and not for uncle.

            We have a month from 150 clean (cake, field-plant, 000 flights a month), up to 10 (lumber, Bryansk-Belgorod, 250 flights a month)

            From 30 years old, a house for 12 lamas on the river bank, Land Cruiser Prado, a vacation in Dubai.

            A real life example.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 28 November 2019 18: 32
              -3
              So it's complicated! At least for many. Most of them are waiting for their uncle, who will take them to work by the handle. And if you dig up and take a truck with a ref, or equip a service that will repair your KAMAZ trucks, then you can buy a house with a kindergarten and quickly.
            2. marshes
              marshes 28 November 2019 19: 07
              +5
              Quote: Arzt
              We invest another 300 in it, arrange the IP, we work for ourselves and not for uncle. We have clean monthly from 150 (cake, field-plant, 000 flights a month), up to 10 (lumber, Bryansk-Belgorod, 250 flights per month ) With 000 years old, a house for 5 lamas on the river bank, Land Cruiser Prado, a vacation in Dubai. A real life example.

              The state will remove seven skins if legally working.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 28 November 2019 23: 12
                -3
                The main thing is to make a good advertisement or site and the average price for services.
            3. region58
              region58 29 November 2019 00: 54
              +6
              Quote: Arzt
              We have been working for a year, we live on 20, put off 50.

              It doesn’t grow together ... The rotational method - you work a month, a month at home, and it will only be possible to put aside 15 thousand a month (70 / 2-20). It will take more than 600 years to earn 3, and if you take into account inflation, then you’ll run for five years ... Five years in youth is a very distant prospect. This is if we discard the usual young things - movies / girls / cafes / beer, which is unrealistic.
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 30 November 2019 14: 25
                +2
                It doesn’t grow together ... The shift method - you work a month, a month at home

                As I say, a real example. Central Russia, a young guy after the army, came home and lived with his parents, in 2002 he got on a Kamaz, started working for a private trader, after a couple of years he realized that he could take a 20-year-old truck in a year, rested, gathered, bought then for 150 000 on the go. The money was donated to the wedding. Then he worked for himself.

                The scans listed above are from modern time offhand. Now it is also possible.

                The main problem in believing in yourself and this:
                This is if we discard the usual young things - movies / girls / cafes / beer, which is unrealistic.

                As soon as the money was made, there were a lot of drunk friends around. We must be able to send.
                1. region58
                  region58 30 November 2019 23: 15
                  0
                  Quote: Arzt
                  I say a real example.

                  I do not argue. I pointed to the inconsistency to say that it is not so simple. And in your example, another point is clearly read between the lines - support for relatives. This is very important. Plus, the guy, when he took the truck, already knew what he would do on it - this is also clear from your story. I also know more than one such example, but I can’t tell you the opposite examples, alas ...

                  PS This is not to say that you need to sit and not tremble (then it is definitely hopeless), just the possibilities, abilities and circumstances are different for everyone.
                  PPS For example, some of the wives of our statesmen: well, they were so modest, but as a husband took office - here is entrepreneurial talent and popped with them, there is no stopping it ...
            4. Varyag71
              Varyag71 29 November 2019 12: 05
              0
              Yeah ...., the storyteller is naive. It is necessary to write such nonsense.
        5. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 28 November 2019 18: 35
          +11
          Quote: Nasr
          Madam, I assure you that the salary is normal, you just don’t have to have fun twice a year in Italy and change cars every three years .... you look and look at the children ..

          I look quite there, the demagogues on the salary have come off reality.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 28 November 2019 16: 05
        +4
        Will not help. I have three children (it would be four, but alas - not fate) everything in life took place. But they don’t want to breed, they don’t even plan to, although they could afford 4-5 children. Another value system.
        1. Masha
          Masha 28 November 2019 18: 09
          +7
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          But they don’t want to breed, they don’t even plan to, although they could afford 4-5 children.

          everything has its time...... yes
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 28 November 2019 20: 21
          +2
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          And they don’t want to breed

          come to your senses, most importantly, in time
    5. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 28 November 2019 15: 41
      +10
      I have two. Son 20, daughter 11. My wife half jokingly offered to take a chance on the third, but then I refused. Due to the unstable economic situation. And so, yes. Enough "fat" for a one-time trip a year to the south and a one-time trip "over the hill". The car, though 12 years old, and the apartment is small, two-room.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 28 November 2019 17: 20
        +8
        The leader of the redskins, dear you are mine! At the age of 16, I saw a relative of mine (an officer) dying of leukemia in the hospital of Burdenko ... He served in one state ... I will not spread. There he fell ill. He earned a lot of money. Health is not. Then I realized that in life there are other values. Conscience. Oath. A family. Yes, you are a happy person! Spit on the meter of the apartment and the age of the car! Bullshit it!
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 28 November 2019 17: 28
          +7
          I know that happy). My grandmother, who raised two sons, used to say, having learned that my daughter was also born to my son:
          - You are a happy person, you have both a son and a daughter)
          And the car ... We are satisfied. Like the apartment. We did not want a palace.
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 30 November 2019 16: 33
            0
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            I know that happy). My grandmother, who raised two sons, used to say, having learned that my daughter was also born to my son:
            - You are a happy person, you have both a son and a daughter)
            And the car ... We are satisfied. Like the apartment. We did not want a palace.

            Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
            The leader of the redskins, dear you are mine! At the age of 16, I saw a relative of mine (an officer) dying of leukemia in the Burdenko hospital ... He served in one state ... I won’t spread it. There he fell ill. He earned a lot of money. Health is not. Then I realized that in life there are other values. Conscience. Oath. A family. Yes, you are a happy person! Spit on the meter of the apartment and the age of the car! Bullshit it!

            Guys my respect hi
            You would not make a noise, in this thread so loud wink , with happiness, with a different opinion about conscience, family and the meaning of life than the liberal-calculating "intellectuals" mathematically "proved" that everything is bad with you crying
            They know better; they are also HSE emigrants.
    6. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 28 November 2019 22: 41
      +2
      Quote: Nasr
      although the bulk is only one half of the family (only husband, only wife) ...

      A huge variety of childless couples. Children want .. Maybe the reason is Chernobyl or, what the hell is not kidding. The notorious "Bush Legs" chicken legs .. food from the early nineties ..
  4. Sergey39
    Sergey39 28 November 2019 15: 17
    +9
    There is only one way out - to begin to raise the standard of living. And then other methods will be visible.
    1. marshes
      marshes 28 November 2019 15: 48
      0
      Quote: Sergey39
      There is only one way out - to begin to raise the standard of living. And then other methods will be visible.

      Strange as it may seem, birth rates are falling due to growth.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 28 November 2019 18: 36
        0
        Quote: marshes
        Strange as it may seem, birth rates are falling due to growth.

        This is because you are growing it wrong.
    2. Fat
      Fat 28 November 2019 17: 52
      +1
      Quote: Sergey39
      There is only one way out - to begin to raise the standard of living. And then other methods will be visible.

      First you need to decide on the priorities. What is more important is a family or career with quality leisure.
  5. paul3390
    paul3390 28 November 2019 15: 20
    +24
    If we consider that for most families two children are actually the immediate threshold of poverty, then why be surprised?
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  6. knn54
    knn54 28 November 2019 15: 25
    +3
    ONLY social benefits will not help. Example-Yugoslavia, or rather Kosovo.
    The Saudis unfastened considerable money to the cookers until the birth of the child. Further assistance from the organs of the SFRY. We see the result.
    Anxious and another. There is no concern for the elderly. There are no prospects for young people.
  7. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 28 November 2019 15: 27
    +6
    The topic is interesting, but very controversial. The amount of the population that is lost with the collapse of the Union is not replenished already. But the birth rate, in my opinion, has qualitative indicators. Quantity is not the most important thing. You can give birth to a bunch of children - unconsciously and do not care about their upbringing and their education. But you can weigh everything, first of all material opportunities, to give birth and grow up a worthy member of society. Youth is now deliberately giving birth to children. In addition, I personally would include in the work experience the mothers who have three or more children. Let them sit at home, get decent benefits and educate future citizens and taxpayers.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 28 November 2019 15: 44
      0
      for me, this is the main and probably the only effective measure at the moment. to make motherhood work. with all the consequences. you can’t make different people buns to have children. my wife and I appeared second to closer to 30. The third one was decided now by my 34. She needed time to make a career and establish herself. For us, for example, capital was just a bonus, but he did not influence the decision on whether or not to give birth.
    2. Honest Citizen
      Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 21: 33
      -2
      In addition, I personally would include in the work experience the mothers who have three or more children. Let them sit at home, get a decent allowance

      And, excuse me, from which moment to include in the seniority and pay a decent allowance? Since the birth of the first or third?
  8. prior
    prior 28 November 2019 15: 29
    +3
    Demography is a control in the head.
    1. Masha
      Masha 28 November 2019 18: 10
      +6
      Quote: prior
      Demography is a control in the head.

      in short ... everyone died! .... wassat
  9. hohol95
    hohol95 28 November 2019 15: 32
    0
    DEMOGRAPHY depends on FEMALE and MALE - DOCTORS!
    Who from the MEN'S "population" IN passed the UROLOGUE?
    For "peasants" this is "STRANGE" ...
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 28 November 2019 15: 43
      +4
      I pass steadily - the kidney disease "with experience". So what?
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 28 November 2019 15: 52
        0
        Urologist come in?
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 28 November 2019 15: 54
          +3
          Of course a urologist. It is a urologist who treats diseases of the kidneys and urethra. If you are talking about the prostate, then you have been examined once a few years ago at a physical examination.
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 28 November 2019 15: 57
            0
            Not every MAN is capable of this! Personal experience!
    2. avib
      avib 28 November 2019 15: 44
      +2
      Yes. For problems - the male factor is now 50%.
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 28 November 2019 15: 54
        0
        To me personally the UROLOGIST said - FOR MEN it is "dumb" to go to the DOCTOR!
        All the blame lies with the WOMAN!
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 28 November 2019 18: 37
          +1
          Was it exactly a urologist?
          As in the joke: "Well, it's a hollow, but squirrels are found in it?
          Doctor, are you sure a proctologist? "
        2. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 28 November 2019 18: 59
          +1
          Exactly, I have three children and all from different wives, because the wives did not want more than one. And from the last wife before the meeting I made a promise that we will give birth to at least two, the figs deceived there, after one she said - that's enough.
          Therefore, I just recently finished paying child support, although the children have to help with money and I will tell you it is nice, but I know that therefore, for example, I can’t buy a new car, I go in an old Zhiguli, everything goes to the children.
  10. Honest Citizen
    Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 15: 36
    +12
    What I agree with the author is that alignment of the demographic situation is a complex of measures. And this complex, if the state cares about the population - the state should provide.
    Plus, it’s necessary to change the paradigm of the development of society. Now we have capitalism, where income is the main thing, and accordingly a consumer society is being grown. The course of development will change - the direction of development of society will change - the demographic situation will also change.
    Yes, I speak for socialism.
    Is it possible to count on all the above measures of social and sociocultural support for the family, motherhood, fatherhood and childhood in the current conditions, given the socio-economic and political course that the leadership of our country follows? So far, unfortunately, the current government does not demonstrate a genuine desire to solve the social problems of the population.

    And Putin said: "There will be no return to socialism."
    So die out like mammoths.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 28 November 2019 16: 13
      -1
      and how does this forgive the way socialism will fix something in this regard?) let's take Germany as an example where the social network for mothers is just huge. even pay alimony if the father cannot state. and how does this help you decide to have children? Yes, nothing at all. the birth rate there is only falling. changing the course of society is certainly cool, only world trends can not be defeated by this unless you close all borders and make society isolated from the world. that it develops on its own without external influence.
      1. Honest Citizen
        Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 16: 15
        +9
        If you carefully read what I wrote, then there is:
        Now we have capitalism, where the main thing is income, and respectively grow a consumer society. The course of development will change - the direction of development of society will change - the demographic situation will also change.

        And you, apparently, saw only the word "socialism"?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 28 November 2019 16: 33
          0
          Yes and no. all the same, you will not name another system of opposition to capitalism. just the main thing is something else. even a social state will not affect the choice of people in the modern world. so that they change they need to be locked in this environment and only then will they change. because as I wrote above, with a steep social program on the part of the state, the birth rate falls anyway.
          1. Honest Citizen
            Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 16: 36
            +3
            Yes, not the social sphere is important, but the socially oriented state. Payments, no matter how big they would be - if you are a "consumer", will not force either you or your family to have offspring. And if you did not grow up as a "consumer", then the chance that you will have two children is very, very high.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 28 November 2019 16: 52
              0
              so I ask, how are you going to let your heads change in a socially oriented state in 20 years?))) how will they see the world around them and want to become different?)
              1. Honest Citizen
                Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 16: 57
                +5
                Yes, in the same way as they made "consumers" of us. This includes certain content on TV, literature and the media. For 20 years, as an example, Nazism was raised in Ukraine, using the same component. So that is the experience, even if not for me, but there is experience. And here all you need is to change the polarity.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 28 November 2019 17: 11
                  -1
                  you see ... we were consumers. there was simply nothing to consume, and everything changed very quickly. medical fact can be said. I don’t personally find other reasons that the vast country, for the most part, has abruptly turned around. like Nazism in Ukraine. he was there before all this. but now mince back crank it is another completely ... I don’t mind, try it. it just won’t work unless you isolate them. yes look at China the same. so there consumers are society to us as if to the moon) and this is despite the structure that they have preserved.
                2. Fat
                  Fat 28 November 2019 18: 07
                  0
                  Quote: Honest Citizen
                  Yes, in the same way as they made "consumers" of us. This includes certain content on TV, literature and the media. For 20 years, as an example, Nazism was raised in Ukraine, using the same component. So that is the experience, even if not for me, but there is experience. And here all you need is to change the polarity.

                  You will laugh, but capital also needs a larger population and higher wages for workers. A wide market and the means that the consumer is able to spend ...
                  1. Honest Citizen
                    Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 18: 09
                    +2
                    You will laugh, but capital also needs a larger population and higher wages for workers.

                    Capital needs a market. And who will buy is not the point, the population, robots, legal entities.
                    Salaries of an employee? And how to reduce the cost of production, if it will be laid high salaries?
                    1. Fat
                      Fat 28 November 2019 18: 22
                      +1
                      Quote: Honest Citizen
                      how to reduce the cost of production if high salaries are laid in it?

                      Increased labor productivity.
                      1. Honest Citizen
                        Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 18: 51
                        +4
                        Those. work harder and raise retirement age? Brilliant !!!
                        By the way, automation of any process not only improves the quality of the product, but also releases a certain amount of working personnel. This is for reference.
                      2. Fat
                        Fat 28 November 2019 22: 53
                        -2
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        Those. work harder and raise retirement age? Brilliant !!!
                        By the way, automation of any process not only improves the quality of the product, but also releases a certain amount of working personnel. This is for reference.

                        No, do you need to enter a 4 day week? Then it will be three days to relax in the country and it will not hurt so much if the pension is awarded a few years later? The introduction of automation creates jobs for the maintenance of machines and creates the prerequisites for the development of production, this is for reference.
                  2. Mcar
                    Mcar 29 November 2019 02: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: Thick
                    You will laugh, but capital also needs a larger population and higher wages for workers. A wide market and the means that the consumer is able to spend ...

                    And this is just one of the most severe contradictions inherent in capitalism.

                    On the one hand, capital needs infinitely large markets, i.e. infinitely large population.
                    On the other hand, he is "hotza" to infinitely reduce the cost of salary, ie. endlessly reduce the population replacing it with robots and machine guns.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 28 November 2019 16: 18
      +4
      And what, socialism cancels the pursuit of material wealth?
      1. Honest Citizen
        Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 16: 21
        +5
        Doesn't cancel. Socialism simply abolishes the "consumer society". If, when "consuming" you from all channels, any advertisement says: "eat, eat, eat at three, not at four throats, and even better at six", then under socialism: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."
        A bit different approaches.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 28 November 2019 16: 28
          0
          Socialism is "From each according to his ability - to each according to his work." And everyone's needs are different. Some watermelon and some pig cartilage. Anyone wants to live well, you propose to limit it in this !?
          1. Honest Citizen
            Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 16: 32
            +5
            Anyone who wants to live well, you propose to limit it in this !?

            Apparently you need a scandal.
            I suggest changing the vector of education. Not to educate a consumer society, but to educate a society of creation.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 28 November 2019 16: 47
              +1
              Creation does not cancel consumption
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 28 November 2019 16: 35
          +2
          different approaches who would argue. only how will this affect the birth rate?)
        3. DEDPIHTO
          DEDPIHTO 28 November 2019 17: 01
          +6
          Quote: Honest Citizen
          Doesn't cancel. Socialism simply abolishes the "consumer society". If, when "consuming" you from all channels, any advertisement says: "eat, eat, eat at three, not at four throats, and even better at six", then under socialism: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."
          A bit different approaches.

          Sergei hi So you called the main cause of the demographic catastrophe. Capitalism has replaced the human values ​​of socialism with material ones, promoting a consumer society through advertisements and remodeled films about a rich and beautiful life. Children become an obstacle to the achievement of material wealth - this is what they squeal from all irons, affecting young heads, if we speak directly without embellishment. The degenerate capitalist Europe is an example where the standard of living is much higher .. it is for those who press poverty more, but this is again a consequence of capitalism and not a cause. Capitalism in all its forms is the cause of all current problems.
          1. Honest Citizen
            Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 17: 03
            +3
            This is how I explain it, but in other words. And then they either do not pong, or they decided to hone the "Troll" skill on me from level 80 to 90.
            hi
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 28 November 2019 17: 48
              +1
              Yes, no one trolls you) just a naive desire to change the format of human thinking through a change to a social state touches. apparently the memory is very selective and it just flew out that from a similar state in 91, the country fled for distillation, who had already forgotten completely faster ...
              1. Honest Citizen
                Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 17: 53
                +5
                that from a similar state in 91, the country fled for distillation

                I ran because people were shown a very beautiful wrapper. Now many people have wrapped candy wrappers, saw what's inside and want to run back.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 28 November 2019 18: 48
                  +1
                  here the main word was running. and about candy wrappers and wrappers ... well, do you think they were consumers if you just started so? but they grew up in a completely different system I note.
          2. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 28 November 2019 17: 45
            0
            about how) and under socialism the achievement of material wealth is certainly not necessary) why are they true?)
            1. Honest Citizen
              Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 17: 56
              +1
              A little lower ... let me quote
              Under capitalism, money is the highest value.
              Under socialism / communism, people are the highest value.

              Do you feel the difference in approaches? And this leaves a certain imprint on the campaign for education.
          3. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 28 November 2019 18: 00
            +1
            Yes of course. And if you look at the birth rate in a completely capitalist Russian Empire? A mass of many from a poor peasant to the Sovereign Emperor.
            1. Honest Citizen
              Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 18: 14
              +1
              And if you look at the birth rate in a completely capitalist Russian Empire?

              And how do you look that in a completely capitalist Russian Empire there was no militant feminism and no one encroached on the institution of family life? There was no concept of "tolerance", there were no "gay parades", there was not so many "advertising"?
              Yes, if you cling to the word "advertising", and you cling, then at least compare its quantity and its quality in comparison with today. Yes, or at least from the end of the twentieth century.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 28 November 2019 18: 17
                +1
                Correct: causes of falling fertility: secularization, urbanization, emancipation. And not a financial situation, as many think.
          4. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 28 November 2019 18: 38
            +2
            Quote: DEPHIHTO
            Capitalism has replaced the human values ​​of socialism with material

            You do not get upset, but socialism is also about material values. laughing
    3. Mcar
      Mcar 28 November 2019 17: 12
      +5
      Quote: Honest Citizen
      Plus, it’s necessary to change the paradigm of the development of society. Now we have capitalism, where income is the main thing, and accordingly a consumer society is being grown. The course of development will change - the direction of development of society will change - the demographic situation will also change.

      That's right!

      Under capitalism, money is the highest value.
      Under socialism / communism, people are the highest value.

      Different values ​​lead in different directions. Where money is more valuable than people waiting for a population explosion is not worth it.

      Until we change the current formation to a more progressive one, we cannot do anything fundamentally positive with demographics. All conversations on the topic are empty. Although the pain and concern are understandable.
  11. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 28 November 2019 15: 36
    +3
    Demographic disaster. Oh. Explain the fool - how is this different from genocide?
    1. prior
      prior 28 November 2019 15: 57
      +6
      Well, about how horseradish differs from radish or like eggs, in the form in the face and profile.
    2. Fat
      Fat 28 November 2019 18: 11
      0
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      Demographic disaster. Oh. Explain the fool - how is this different from genocide?

      Just like suicide from murder.
  12. Oleg133
    Oleg133 28 November 2019 15: 40
    +3
    If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck - then it's a duck.
    The Russian Federation is doing everything so that there are no people, including children.
    "The IMF was worried in vain! How Russia will spend its reserves" - read the adjacent news on this website and see for yourself.
  13. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 28 November 2019 15: 41
    +10
    For me, the dependence of fertility on two factors is very clearly visible.
    1) Availability of adequate housing. I do not mean some kind of "abstract" housing, but legally stable and assigned to people living space, which has fairly good access to a lot of jobs. In the poorest countries, as a rule, a better climate than ours allows us to solve this problem (at least partially) at the expense of favelas or pre-fabricated structures. In our case, this option is not suitable - because in our society there is a European value orientation, there is still a high level of technical culture and education (incomparable with Africa and or Latin America, for example), and finally we have a wrong climate.
    As a result, when people start to think about a "mortgage" complete with a little trusting partner (50% of the divorces mentioned by the author), they come to the logical thought that this is all VERY STRANGE. Lacking real estate and stability, a reasonable person is not very eager to reproduce. Few people want to leave their children a naked fig.

    Solution options: a) For each born at the place of registration of parents - to charge from birth a certain amount of money tied to the average salary in the region - up to 20 years. Our country is rich and I am sure there will be enough money - if we stop giving gifts to Africans and lending banana dictatorships.
    b) Issue a two-room apartment to citizens who have lived more than 2 years in a marriage by birth - without the possibility of privatization.

    2) Reducing legislative pressure on participants in official relations. People were nightmarized with these horrors about alimony and division of property. In this scheme, a man is fiercely discriminated against, despite the fact that the main initiator of divorce is a woman (even without statistics, I just see it around me) - therefore, the response of men in this case is the so-called "civil marriage" and relationships without obligations ...
    Inside such a scheme, a man is in no hurry to have children from a man who, soon afterwards, can leave him without pants and due.

    Solution options: Mandatory instilling of a culture of prenuptial contracts and clear information when entering into a relationship - to whom how much and how will depart if they break. Reducing legal pressure on men and divorce segregation.

    To summarize - at the moment we live in a society where women, with formally equal rights, receive a significant share of point preferences, while men, in turn, are exposed to point discriminatory influences. This inevitably leaves an imprint on the "classic marriage" - in view of the fact that an array of men who avoid responsibility in every possible way and frankly headstrong, narrow-minded women appear.

    If there is a state will and squeezing formalism out of the brackets to solve this problem, everything is solved. But unfortunately, the head of state here loves populism, so the issue will be decided by rolling papers and beautiful figures of fake statistics.
  14. paul3390
    paul3390 28 November 2019 15: 42
    +14
    Quote: Honest Citizen
    And Putin said: "There will be no return to socialism."

    We’ll see this again .. As practice has shown, Putin’s word is not so valuable.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 28 November 2019 16: 02
      +9
      I would say that Putin is not responsible for his words and often does not do what he is talking about and calling for.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 28 November 2019 16: 04
        +8
        To put it simply - stupidly lying. And the further - the more .. Alas.
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 28 November 2019 16: 08
        +8
        Putin has already pulled up his calls. When, at last, he’ll hear before him that the ruler must order! And severely punish for non-fulfillment .. And it more and more resembles an African rain caster ..
        1. Fevralsk. Morev
          Fevralsk. Morev 28 November 2019 16: 20
          +4
          Yes you are crazy !!!! This is DICTATURE. It smacks of Stalinism, like, I said, you did. This is not done with friends. Friends have their own interests.
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 28 November 2019 18: 40
          -2
          Quote: paul3390
          Putin has already pulled up his calls. When, at last, he’ll hear before him that the ruler must order! And severely punish for non-fulfillment .. And it more and more resembles an African rain caster ..

          There are still objective circumstances. But apparently this is for you little things unworthy of attention.
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 28 November 2019 18: 41
            +2
            Did you understand what you wanted to say?
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 28 November 2019 19: 14
              +1
              Quote: paul3390
              Did you understand what you wanted to say?

              I have long understood that people like you are better off not letting politics go on a cannon shot. For their own good. And then you heap such a thing there. laughing It was only in a fairy tale that the king said and the boyars ran to fulfill. But in reality, everything is small, quite the opposite.
        3. Vadim237
          Vadim237 28 November 2019 23: 18
          0
          "Putin has already raised his calls." - You can not listen to him, what's the problem?
    2. sergo1914
      sergo1914 28 November 2019 16: 22
      +9
      Quote: paul3390
      Quote: Honest Citizen
      And Putin said: "There will be no return to socialism."

      We’ll see this again .. As practice has shown, Putin’s word is not so valuable.


      You are right now a sickle in ... staples. With particular cynicism. Now minusers will fly.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 28 November 2019 16: 59
        -1
        This is when it comes to money, in these cases they will stand until the end
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 November 2019 16: 59
      -2
      That's when the Russian economy will triple from 108 trillion rubles to 300 trillion rubles, then build socialism, and now it will not be enough to build money.
      1. Varyag71
        Varyag71 29 November 2019 12: 46
        0
        Naturally, it’s not enough if you forgive everyone their debts, support officials, push them into the Olympics, help oligarchs and banks, and do not fight corruption and the withdrawal of money from the country.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 November 2019 16: 00
          -1
          These are the debts of the USSR - initially no one was going to return them. It’s better to push it into the Olympics - don’t work for hundreds of thousands of people and the infrastructure development and the influx of tourists who will pay off all the costs. For oligarchs, too, tens of millions of people work together with allies and everyone else.
    4. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 28 November 2019 17: 34
      +3
      And here look - do not look: young people do not need socialism, they are fully adapted to the current conditions, and we are old-timers, we’ll soon go to write-offs. Although I, too, socialism, if it is of the Soviet type, is not needed for nothing. That socialism of the Scandinavian type would not be in the way.
  15. Basarev
    Basarev 28 November 2019 15: 42
    +13
    And if such a decline in the Russian regions - is it a purposeful policy? What if this is not the result of error and greed, but rather deliberate steps?
    1. Varyag71
      Varyag71 28 November 2019 16: 01
      +3
      increasing retirement age is also a deliberate step. Yes, and this is not the limit, I am sure that in the future one more growth will be expected.
      1. Dante Alighieri
        Dante Alighieri 28 November 2019 16: 54
        +1
        Let's not forget about 40 million ethnic Russians living near our borders, 30 of whom consider themselves for some reason Ukrainians, and 10 Belarusians. I have nothing against ethnic self-awareness, for any healthy internationalism must be based on no less healthy nationalism, without interspersing it with chauvinism. But let's be honest, only by ensuring the trinity of the Russian ethnos are we able to somehow survive in the distant historical perspective. To do this, it is necessary to return to the positions of the traditional historical school, laid down by Klyuchevsky, directly calling Ukrainians, Belarusians and Great Russians peoples of a single Russian ethnos. This is a conceptual position that cannot be deviated from. In the meantime, we see the opposite with the example of Donbass. Thus, while these "ideological" postulates are not included on the agenda along with economic mechanisms, there is no need to talk about any political and historical factor of Russians as an ethnic group.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 28 November 2019 20: 24
          +2
          Quote: Dante
          Let's not forget about 40 million ethnic Russians living on our borders, 30 of whom consider themselves to be Ukrainians for some reason, and 10 as Belarusians.

          how many ethnic Russians returned to Russia from the Baltic countries? And you about Ukraine and Belarus
  16. Igor Pa
    Igor Pa 28 November 2019 15: 43
    -4
    Yes, turn off the telly and tyrnet and trample everything!
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 28 November 2019 15: 59
      +5
      Quote: Igor Pa
      Yes, turn off the telly and tyrnet and trample everything!

      It may be easier to turn off the electricity in the country laughing
      And if also heating in the winter! laughing
      1. AK1972
        AK1972 28 November 2019 17: 02
        +4
        [Quote]It may be easier to turn off the electricity in the country[/ quote
        It is even easier to introduce a childless tax as a logical continuation of the pension reform. We are very sharply younger, which means you can give birth before retirement.
  17. Fevralsk. Morev
    Fevralsk. Morev 28 November 2019 15: 46
    +13
    In our country, from 1992 to the present day, a program to reduce the population is being implemented. Low wages, high prices and tariffs, paid education and medicine, job cuts in production (remember the USSR, enterprises were put into operation). Housing to buy a mortgage with huge interest rates, against the background of Western Europe. Problems with kindergartens. According to the zombie, Dom-2 and other abomination, instilling the proud title of "consumer". And most importantly, the strategic goal of the country's development is defined by the phrase "to stand for a day and to hold out for a night." A person needs a goal, faith in something. Children are the future of the country. Does the state need our children? The only thing is maternity capital, and that is from the Pension Fund, that is, we, from our own money, pay maternity capital to ourselves. The state has settled well !!! Which exit ? And this power must be changed. Over the past 20 years, THEY have proven their worthlessness.
    1. Varyag71
      Varyag71 28 November 2019 16: 02
      +8
      Now all sorts of nasrat, Ivanovs and other scum will come running and will prove that all this is not so.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 28 November 2019 16: 13
      -3
      And what program do the countries of Western Europe, in particular, Scandinavia carry out? What is their birth rate even lower than ours?
      1. Fevralsk. Morev
        Fevralsk. Morev 28 November 2019 16: 23
        +3
        Propaganda of non-traditional values ​​and consumerism.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 28 November 2019 16: 25
          -1
          Tell us how to live without consuming? Eat ideas? So it’s tasteless.
          1. Fevralsk. Morev
            Fevralsk. Morev 28 November 2019 16: 52
            +3
            And how to live without creating? Is it really the main thing in life to get dressed, eat and have fun? This is from the TV screens, pouring in. I was born in 1975, you can’t redo me, and such children grow up.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 28 November 2019 18: 44
              +1
              And I was born in 1963 and, you know, I love both good clothes and tasty food and quality cars. And do not mind having fun: fishing, hunting, I even love to drive on a quadric
              - catch up on what is in childhood
              I lost my youth (I come from a large family)
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 28 November 2019 23: 22
              0
              In life, only loafers do not create - and it does not matter in socialism or capitalism.
    3. Igor Pa
      Igor Pa 28 November 2019 22: 52
      0
      Well, other pigs will come to the feeder, do you think that the thread will change? They will begin to fill their pockets. This is capitalism. If you want change, then you need to change the structure of the country. Ie in the direction of socialism. It turns out you need a new October!
  18. Tomich3
    Tomich3 28 November 2019 15: 47
    +11
    I can say from personal experience that a family of three in Tomsk needs at least 90 thousand rubles. per month. This is to Live, not to exist. The child fell ill - 5-7 thousand for medicines and a doctor, etc. On winter, about 12 thousand a month goes for one gasoline. A car is necessary, because in Tomsk public transport is ruined. A lot of people with such income? And you can argue endlessly.
    1. kudma
      kudma 28 November 2019 16: 46
      -5
      Does an armored personnel carrier carry you to work?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 November 2019 17: 04
      0
      In Tomsk, it is necessary to revive the public transport infrastructure.
  19. parusnik
    parusnik 28 November 2019 15: 49
    +13
    As one of those in power said, the state owes you nothing ... but it really is, the state is not popular ....
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 28 November 2019 16: 00
      +6
      Quote: parusnik
      someone from the powers that be

      many, including Vladimir Vladimirovich himself!
    2. sergo1914
      sergo1914 28 November 2019 16: 25
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      As one of those in power said, the state owes you nothing ... but it really is, the state is not popular ....



      Well, how should it not? If you think well, then as it should. But it has forgiven these debts. To myself. Then let's optimize taxes in the same way.
  20. prior
    prior 28 November 2019 16: 00
    +6
    In Soviet times there was such a concept - a hopeless village.
    Now Russia is a hopeless country for life.
    That’s the whole demography.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 November 2019 17: 06
      -2
      Well, for such a mood as yours, Russia is really hopeless and the country and the people living in it
  21. NF68
    NF68 28 November 2019 16: 09
    +4
    Germany has a very similar problem. Only refugees breed like mice. Moreover, more and more Poles are moving to live in Germany.
    1. marshes
      marshes 28 November 2019 16: 22
      +2
      Quote: NF68
      Germany has a very similar problem. Only refugees breed like mice. Moreover, more and more Poles are moving to live in Germany.

      Only our former 3-4 children in the family have children, people from the villages, knowing about the benefits and additional social benefits. laughing
      1. NF68
        NF68 28 November 2019 16: 26
        -1
        Quote: marshes
        Quote: NF68
        Germany has a very similar problem. Only refugees breed like mice. Moreover, more and more Poles are moving to live in Germany.

        Only our former 3-4 children in the family have children, people from the villages, knowing about the benefits and additional social benefits. laughing


        This is also a rarity. It’s not really that the benefits are relied upon or something else. To those privileges that are offered to polygamous families in Denmark and Germany are very far away.
        1. marshes
          marshes 28 November 2019 16: 34
          +3
          Quote: NF68
          This is also a rarity.

          Yes, it’s not uncommon, relatives live there, people come from rural areas, so they communicate with people from Kazakhstan, everyone from villages they have 3 to 5 children. They just got used to it, and they don’t feel longing for their former homeland .
          It’s like a brother-in-law, Belarusian, come more often and then sadly.
          1. NF68
            NF68 28 November 2019 16: 39
            +1
            Quote: marshes
            Quote: NF68
            This is also a rarity.

            Yes, it’s not uncommon, relatives live there, people come from rural areas, so they communicate with people from Kazakhstan, everyone from villages they have 3 to 5 children. They just got used to it, and they don’t feel longing for their former homeland .
            It’s like a brother-in-law, Belarusian, come more often and then sadly.


            I have been living in Germany for 19 years now and I have enough relatives and acquaintances here. I have only about 400 relatives. + My wife's relatives. There are relatively few families with 3 or more children among immigrants from the USSR. On average, such families have 2-2,2 children.
            1. marshes
              marshes 28 November 2019 16: 46
              0
              Quote: NF68
              I have been living in Germany for 19 years now and I have enough relatives and acquaintances here. I have only about 400 relatives. + My wife's relatives. There are relatively few families with 3 or more children among immigrants from the USSR. On average, such families have 2-2,2 children.

              Well, you transported everyone’s campaign, my more selective Old men remained at home, earned a penny of knowledge, others didn’t fall for Canada’s German happiness and the United States got over, by the way 100% deutsche.
              1. NF68
                NF68 28 November 2019 16: 49
                +1
                Quote: marshes
                Quote: NF68
                I have been living in Germany for 19 years now and I have enough relatives and acquaintances here. I have only about 400 relatives. + My wife's relatives. There are relatively few families with 3 or more children among immigrants from the USSR. On average, such families have 2-2,2 children.

                Well, you transported everyone’s campaign, my more selective Old men remained at home, earned a penny of knowledge, others didn’t fall for Canada’s German happiness and the United States got over, by the way 100% deutsche.


                Most of my relatives moved to Germany before us. This concerns mainly those who lived in villages in the former USSR. Their country’s collapse used to be fucked up properly, and many were planning to leave before the collapse of the USSR.
                1. marshes
                  marshes 28 November 2019 17: 03
                  0
                  Quote: NF68
                  Most of my relatives moved to Germany before us. This concerns mainly those who lived in villages in the former USSR.

                  Mine in 94 began to drive off.
                  And in the villages, how many children did they have? My wife has three sisters, Comrade Natasha has two daughters and two sons. They, the wife, had two more in the family but died during shipment.
                  That's why they love big families.
                  Quote: NF68
                  Their country’s collapse used to be fucked up properly, and many were planning to leave before the collapse of the USSR.

                  Yes, I didn’t really freak out, they lived mainly on state farms and had at least some kind of economy, plus how advanced workers had cars, they lived better on the natives.
                  By the way, if you watch a movie with Tsoi Igloo, there the program in German was going on.
                  1. NF68
                    NF68 28 November 2019 17: 08
                    0
                    Quote: marshes
                    Quote: NF68
                    Most of my relatives moved to Germany before us. This concerns mainly those who lived in villages in the former USSR.

                    Mine in 94 began to drive off.
                    And in the villages, how many children did they have? My wife has three sisters, Comrade Natasha has two daughters and two sons. They, the wife, had two more in the family but died during shipment.
                    That's why they love big families.
                    Quote: NF68
                    Their country’s collapse used to be fucked up properly, and many were planning to leave before the collapse of the USSR.

                    Yes, I didn’t really freak out, they lived mainly on state farms and had at least some kind of economy, plus how advanced workers had cars, they lived better on the natives.
                    By the way, if you watch a movie with Tsoi Igloo, there the program in German was going on.


                    My relatives began to gather in the late 80s. The peak occurred in the mid-90s. Many among them were enough. They lived in Kazakhstan not badly because they knew how to work, but as the collapse began, it immediately became much worse. Therefore, they were the first to go to Germany. In the area where I was born and raised, there were more Germans in the mid-80s than Kazakhs.
                    1. marshes
                      marshes 28 November 2019 17: 16
                      0
                      Quote: NF68
                      . In the area where I was born and raised, there were more Germans in the mid-80s than Kazakhs.

                      What area? Tselinogradsky? Attacks did not care why there are few Kazakhs living there?
                      1. NF68
                        NF68 28 November 2019 17: 19
                        0
                        Quote: marshes
                        Quote: NF68
                        . In the area where I was born and raised, there were more Germans in the mid-80s than Kazakhs.

                        What area? Tselinogradsky? Attacks did not care why there are few Kazakhs living there?


                        Shemonaikhinsky district of the East Kazakhstan region. Before the revolution, this territory belonged to the Zmeinogorsk, if not mistaken, Omsk province. There, Christians before the mass departure after the collapse of the USSR made up about 90% of the total population.
                      2. marshes
                        marshes 28 November 2019 17: 24
                        0
                        Quote: NF68
                        Shemonaikhinsky district of the East Kazakhstan region. Before the revolution, this territory belonged to the Zmeinogorsk, if not mistaken, Omsk province. There, Christians before the mass departure after the collapse of the USSR accounted for about 90% of the total population

                        And as with History, Christians settled there long ago and after what events.
                      3. NF68
                        NF68 28 November 2019 17: 28
                        0
                        Quote: marshes
                        Quote: NF68
                        Shemonaikhinsky district of the East Kazakhstan region. Before the revolution, this territory belonged to the Zmeinogorsk, if not mistaken, Omsk province. There, Christians before the mass departure after the collapse of the USSR accounted for about 90% of the total population

                        And as with History, Christians settled there long ago and after what events.


                        Development began after the Russians arrived there at the beginning of the 18th century. Prior to this, hunters mostly wandered there. According to the present, the district began to develop after the railroad was built there in the 1930s.
                      4. marshes
                        marshes 28 November 2019 17: 52
                        0
                        Quote: NF68
                        Development began after the Russians arrived there at the beginning of the 18th century. Prior to this, hunters mostly wandered there. According to the present, the district began to develop after the railroad was built there in the 1930s.

                        Do you have private property in Germany? Especially to the ground?
                        I have the same thing now, I can’t put my neighbors in need, I live in a private house, although there are all the benefits of civilization, because the land is not mine
                      5. NF68
                        NF68 29 November 2019 16: 10
                        0
                        Quote: marshes
                        Quote: NF68
                        Development began after the Russians arrived there at the beginning of the 18th century. Prior to this, hunters mostly wandered there. According to the present, the district began to develop after the railroad was built there in the 1930s.

                        Do you have private property in Germany? Especially to the ground?
                        I have the same thing now, I can’t put my neighbors in need, I live in a private house, although there are all the benefits of civilization, because the land is not mine


                        There are enough laws in this regard. Like all sorts of restrictions. The cost of land and real estate in different regions of Germany can vary by 10 or more times.
  22. 3vs
    3vs 28 November 2019 16: 20
    +4
    But we have the best medicine!

    "Russian Health Minister Veronika Skvortsova said that the Russian health care system is considered one of the benchmarks in the world.

    According to her, the Russians who used medical services abroad, for example, in Israel, Germany or the USA, can change their attitude to Russian medicine if they undergo treatment in the Russian Federation.

    Now our model is one of the reference in the world. We are the only country in the world that visits patients at home for free - there is no home call anywhere, not a single country in the world, ”Skvortsova said at the XNUMXth All-Russian Congress of Patients.

    Among the advantages of the Russian health care system, she also called a quick response in cases of suspected cancer. According to her, in such a situation, the patient in the Russian Federation is examined within seven working days, while in the UK it takes about six months. At the same time, she noted that the system still has flaws that are worth working on, the Moscow News Agency reports.

    Earlier News.ru wrote that the Minister of Health of the Russian Federation, Veronika Skvortsova, reported that on average, doctors with higher or pharmaceutical education earn 79 thousand rubles a month. "

    Source:
    news.ru/health/bolee-poloviny-rossiyan-stradayut-ot-nedosypa/
    1. Fevralsk. Morev
      Fevralsk. Morev 28 November 2019 16: 24
      +4
      I hope your comment is filled with sarcasm?
      1. 3vs
        3vs 28 November 2019 16: 42
        +4
        And someone doubts ?! request
        Leonid Roshal had to be appointed Minister of Health, there would be more benefit.
        1. Fevralsk. Morev
          Fevralsk. Morev 28 November 2019 16: 54
          +3
          Roshal doctor. And the current regime, in leadership positions need accountants. Not by profession, but in relation to the people.
    2. Honest Citizen
      Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 18: 42
      +2
      Apparently she stuttered, wanted to say "coupons", but "talented" she escaped
      our system is one of the most eeeee coupons.
      Journalists mixed up everything as always wassat
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 28 November 2019 22: 32
      +8
      Quote: 3vs
      "Russian Health Minister Veronika Skvortsova said that the Russian health care system is considered one of the benchmarks in the world.

      laughing the young lady got stoned! Putin said - "disaster", and the bird has a standard.
      Quote: 3vs
      ... Russians who used medical services abroad, for example, in Israel, Germany or the USA, can change their attitude to Russian medicine if they receive treatment in the Russian Federation.

      so who is stopping them from going for treatment in the Tver or Ivanovo region?
      welcome!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 28 November 2019 23: 25
        -2
        Announce the entire list of 85 constituent entities of the Russian Federation.
  23. BAI
    BAI 28 November 2019 16: 40
    +4
    I remember my childhood. Mid 70s. At the entrance of a 4-storey building, 16 apartments, 11 children under 18 (at the same time from a large family, I consider two children, because 7 is an anomaly). Now, the entrance of a 5-storey building, 15 apartments - 1 child under 18. That's all the statistics. Although, I would not say that in the 70s they swam in gold. Confidence in tomorrow has disappeared, a huge number of problems have arisen that were not there before, the reproduction function is simply crushing under heavy nerve oppression. Moreover, even the vast majority of oligarchs are not large, although they probably have their own problems, but in the first place it is not fashionable. The poor peasants of tsarist Russia were large because the children kept the elderly, and infant mortality was high. And now, strangely enough it sounds - children are NOT NEEDED. To nobody. Neither parents nor the state.
    1. Fevralsk. Morev
      Fevralsk. Morev 28 November 2019 16: 58
      +6
      In 1985, he came to BAM with his parents. At a minimum, in young families there were two children. As a rule, the third one was born on BAM. We lived in barracks and wagons without amenities. There were no washing machines, diapers and dry baby food. But the parents knew that they were building their own future for their children.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 28 November 2019 19: 16
        0
        So, they thought they were building children, but now it turned out that they built for the oligarchs.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 28 November 2019 17: 42
      +2
      In the Russian Empire, there were many children and entrepreneurs and nobles and clergy. Ulyanov family, for example: five children.
    3. parusnik
      parusnik 28 November 2019 17: 49
      +6
      I remember my childhood. Mid 70s. At the entrance of a 4-storey building, 16 apartments, 11 children under 18
      ... eva ... smile We have only on the 5th floor, 5-storeyed 56 apartment building, only in our entrance there were 11 children from 5 years old to 16 years old ... on the 4th 4, on the 3rd 6, on the second 5..first children’s the clinic occupied .. and so on the 4th entrance of the children there were enough different ages, and when another house was built nearby .. By the way, at the expense of gold, but it could be bought at different prices, and many could afford it .. Yeah ... ..there was a time ... earlier in the courtyard from the kids there was no pushing, but now there is no place to park the car .. but there are no children ...
  24. samarin1969
    samarin1969 28 November 2019 16: 42
    +8
    It is worth listening carefully to what businesses and officials say about "labor resources." Instead of letting people earn money, they calculate the minimum wage (how much toilet paper, macaroshkas, etc.), help the downed lumpen, all sorts of loafers.
    It is wiser to give an opportunity to develop small business widely: car mechanics, doctors, builders, teachers, farmers, programmers.
    If the fathers of families could, straining strength and reason, have an income of up to 200-250 thousand, then there would be plans for 3-4 future successors of the clan.
    It is necessary to legalize the work of children from 12 years old. Let them earn. More than 60% of children in schools after the 7th grade are fooling. Children at all times were not a problem, but the hope of their parents.

    In reality, at the expense of hardworking and responsible families, the state supports large lumpen children. They will not be either soldiers, workers or scientists. For me, the population is better at the beginning of the twentieth century. But with borders that are closed to migrants and a quality of life like in Canada.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 28 November 2019 17: 06
      +5
      With plans for child labor, let's go straight to the madhouse
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 28 November 2019 17: 32
        +1
        quote = Kronos] With plans for child labor, let's go straight to the madhouse [/ quote]
        Why so categorically. Up to 80% of children over 12 years old constantly or occasionally earn money. This suits them, parents and employers. Someone earns for higher education, someone for a used car, someone for the "joy of life." They work as waitresses, car mechanic assistants, graze cattle, work in gardens, trade, cook ...

        And under the madhouse they see the rules imposed by all sorts of go ... alists who do not give all this to be done according to the Labor Code.
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 28 November 2019 17: 34
          +2
          19th century when children work instead of studying, leave in the past
          1. Ronald Reagan
            Ronald Reagan 28 November 2019 17: 58
            +5
            You can work after school. In the United States and Canada, young people work part-time in restaurants, construction sites and other places. You won’t earn much, but hard work and responsibility will help to inculcate.
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 28 November 2019 17: 55
      +1
      More than 60% of children in schools after the 7th grade are fooling.
      ... And as my friend says, then they go to technical schools where they continue this business ... for another 4 years and have time to give birth to children ... he has three married couples studying, at the age of 16-17 and there are children .. living in a civil marriage ..Was a "padstal" from such news ...
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 28 November 2019 18: 07
        +1
        Quote: parusnik
        More than 60% of children in schools after the 7th grade are fooling.
        ... And as my friend says, then they go to technical schools where they continue this business ... for another 4 years and have time to give birth to children ... he has three married couples studying, at the age of 16-17 and there are children .. living in a civil marriage ..Was a "padstal" from such news ...


        I will extend your "padstal" ... laughing Now there are 1-3 de facto families in each graduating class. It is funny to see how some colleagues try to read morality to young people with experience of family life. Parents blessed me, I have income and plans for the future ... Only the USE interferes. Well, don't go to the camcorder in an "interesting position". laughing
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 28 November 2019 18: 39
          +2
          Extending your padstal ... laughing
          ... Hmm ... really ... don't get out ... laughing Oh how! .. Sorry, for such a wretched text .. Really dumbfounded .. The trend, however ...
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 29 November 2019 13: 49
        +1
        Quote: parusnik
        More than 60% of children in schools after the 7th grade are fooling.
        ... And as my friend says, then they go to technical schools where they continue this business ... for another 4 years and have time to give birth to children ... he has three married couples studying, at the age of 16-17 and there are children .. living in a civil marriage ..Was a "padstal" from such news ...
        But it is not necessary, dear Alexey, to be "patstal" ". Let your friend be happy for the young families. I once read statistics about children born to 12-13 year olds. And ---- no young families in this case.
    3. Varyag71
      Varyag71 29 November 2019 13: 24
      +1
      We are doing everything so that people earn as little as possible. Less finance means people have less rest, less entertainment, less quality food, clothing and other physical and spiritual needs. Yes, this is real genocide!
  25. nikvic46
    nikvic46 28 November 2019 16: 44
    +2
    Everyone starts with the people. Self-employment with the people, demographics with the people. You should show an example for yourself, both for children and the strength of marriage .. If pensioners are shaken by proposals to introduce them into laws, then what about young people who want to start a family . Only a calm person can create a full-fledged family. I read such a project for the future. Earning 96000 rubles will gain the necessary points for retirement.
    And if he earns 20000-30000 rubles, then only 2 points. That is 200 rubles. Yes, young people do not want to have children. And the matter is completely unnecessary. Many are very prosperous. Probably, it is necessary to change the internal public climate. But without an example here no how.
    1. Dali
      Dali 28 November 2019 16: 56
      0
      Quote: nikvic46
      Only a calm person can create a full-fledged family.

      Maybe maybe only they will let me be calm !!!

      The Federation Council prepared the family institution for disposal:
      http://katyusha.org/view?id=13188
      1. Vladimir Dyakov
        Vladimir Dyakov 28 November 2019 17: 16
        +2
        The Federation Council prepared the family institution for disposal:

        Only any scum beating his wife and children) And judging by the angry cries - the right bill.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 28 November 2019 23: 31
          0
          These violent tyrants under the law for compulsory treatment must be sent.
  26. bandabas
    bandabas 28 November 2019 16: 46
    +3
    The main reason is the complete oblivion by the state both on the institution of the family, and on the settlement, development of production and the full protection of the North, Siberia and the Far East of our country. The outflow is due to frantic prices and miserable salaries. I'll be honest. My daughter will finish school in two years, and she will leave the Murmansk region. For the best climate and a big salary.
    1. Dali
      Dali 28 November 2019 16: 54
      +3
      Quote: bandabas
      The main reason is the complete slaughter by the state as an institution of the family

      Moreover, now they want to push through the law, which will finally finish the institution of the family in Russia, but then nothing will save Russia !!!

      The Federation Council prepared the family institution for disposal:
      http://katyusha.org/view?id=13188
      1. bandabas
        bandabas 28 November 2019 17: 15
        +3
        And what to expect from Ms. Matvienko (the former super Komsomol leader), and now the permanent chairman of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation. Just look at her track record. Until 1991, the fiery Komsomol, then the fiery ....
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 28 November 2019 18: 47
        -4
        Did you read the bill yourself? This is the utilization of domestic violence. A very correct bill.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 28 November 2019 19: 34
          +1
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          Did you read the bill yourself?

          And you? Here is an interesting article on this subject:
          http://ruskline.ru/analitika/2016/10/21/zakonoproekt_o_profilaktike_semejnobytovogo_nasiliya_pravovaya_osnova_genocida_semi
    2. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan 28 November 2019 17: 43
      -3
      Should the state go to bed and bury money in the North?
      1. bandabas
        bandabas 28 November 2019 18: 26
        +4
        Darling. At the expense of the North, Trans-Urals and the Far East, this country of the Komsomol member-oligarchs is still holding on. Ah, it's time for you to get out of your historical homeland. There is still a chance. Will not be soon.
        1. Ronald Reagan
          Ronald Reagan 28 November 2019 18: 47
          -3
          And it will hold on as long as the Komsomol oligarchs will need. wink
          1. bandabas
            bandabas 29 November 2019 19: 49
            0
            What has not faded into the promised country? Oh well hi
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 28 November 2019 23: 35
          +2
          Judging by this card, it’s no longer holding, most of the industry, agricultural industry, population
          concentrated in the European part of Russia
  27. Sunstorm
    Sunstorm 28 November 2019 16: 52
    -8
    As an option ..... to separate all children from their parents and educate / train according to the methods of Lycurgus, in separate cities from educational cities - closed cities (with full state support) ... And then you can breed freely .. don’t think what to feed, in what to wear .. where to go and so on ...
    1. Dali
      Dali 28 November 2019 17: 00
      +3
      Quote: Sunstorm
      . And then you can breed freely .. don’t think what to feed, what to wear .. where to go and so on ...

      More stupidity I have not heard !!!
      Do you think women have fled to jump into your bed, only to give birth, and before 9 months to be ineffective? Or are you hoping for test tubes ?!
      1. Sunstorm
        Sunstorm 28 November 2019 17: 40
        -5
        Quote: Dali
        More stupidity I have not heard !!!
        Do you think women have fled to jump into your bed, only to give birth, and before 9 months to be ineffective? Or are you hoping for test tubes ?!

        And before that, before my idea (which by the way in History already existed) are they like a run? Or are they escorted? Open my eyes be so kind.
    2. Varyag71
      Varyag71 29 November 2019 13: 34
      0
      clones or something you propose to grow?
  28. faterdom
    faterdom 28 November 2019 17: 09
    +2
    It's not even about poverty (which, of course, takes place, and on a massive scale). And in trends. None of the peppy stories of the Oreshkins and the congresses of "United Russia" can achieve it - you can only get heartburn, enduring irritation.
    Social optimism should be based on undoubted and obvious improvements in the quality of life. Over a significantly long period of time.
    In the meantime, big problems with certainty and obviousness. Not to mention the lengths of time. It was several years that it was getting better, but it's already over 10 years ago.
    The second aspect is the fight against ideological sabotage, which is undoubtedly the Child Free movement, and the involvement of young people in suicide. Here, as for drugs to pile on all the participants, with confiscation and on a stricter from 10 and above. By the way, in the USSR there was a tax on childlessness, and not to say that it was small. For example, 330 rubles per month were deducted from me from 25 rubles. Who remembers - the Soviet quarter is not a trifle
    1. Vladimir Dyakov
      Vladimir Dyakov 28 November 2019 17: 20
      -5
      the fight against ideological sabotage, which undoubtedly are the Child Free movements, and the involvement of youth in suicide
      put a foil hat on, it’s easier)
  29. eklmn
    eklmn 28 November 2019 17: 20
    -4
    The author of the article did not ask the most important question - “why Russia needs a population”? For military service? So after all, 18-24 year old guys are enough for this. And after the service they will go to work as operators of pumping gas / oil stations or pipe-makers. After all, gas / oil is the only source of the country's wealth and, as a result, sovereignty. So the country does not need students / pensioners / tailors / housewives ... - they are superfluous, only complaints from them.
    Here, on the site, one complained that it was very good that military production was growing, but it was bad that civilian production was lagging. To which I answered him:
    “Well, you very much - both military production and civil!
    After all, in the ring, surrounded, forgot what? Otherwise, why so many military jerks to rivet? And in the ring one thing needs to be produced! So be patient while the siege is lifted .... ”
    In addition, with a decrease in the birth rate, the burden on civilian production decreases. And this state-of-the-art is even profitable!
    And on the other hand, statistics do not take into account the birth rate of Russians in the United States. 3 weeks ago I spent a vacation in Miami and, walking along the beach, tired of going around Russian pregnant mothers. But who do they give birth to - amers or Russian citizens? Forbid them to give birth in the USA and the statistics will immediately improve !!
  30. Corn
    Corn 28 November 2019 18: 28
    -5
    Earth is already overpopulated.
    Why the hell do you need a positive demography? What for???
    The happiness of the people, that’s what needs to be increased, and not some indistinct indicators. In all developed countries, the demographic situation is about the same as in Russia - well, educated people of high culture and great ambitions do not want to give birth to children who they cannot give quality education and material support.
    Natural growth is preserved only in poor and backward states, is the author proposing to equal them?
  31. igorra
    igorra 28 November 2019 18: 36
    -3
    Tax on childlessness and celibacy.
  32. rocket757
    rocket757 28 November 2019 19: 02
    0
    In Russia, the birth rate continues to decline.

    In general, in all developed countries a similar situation!
    Is it possible to rectify the situation?

    Surely you can and a lot of different recipes, only ....
  33. Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 28 November 2019 19: 17
    +5
    Demographic disaster. Is there a chance to save Russia from extinction?

    Of course have!
    -it is necessary to increase taxes, add new ones,
    - cancel the retirement age and the pensions themselves,
    -continue to further withdraw billions from the country,
    - to persons "close to the body" to compensate for "sanction losses" not in 100, but in 1000%,
    -Continue and rub in on "the most honest elections"
    -continue and further encourage corrupt officials and thieves to appoint them to the highest government posts,
    - To declare the entire leadership of the state a caste of the untouchables and uncontrollable general laws,
    -I almost forgot - migrants, more migrants and as dumb as possible
    - loans are higher
    -Rule still omit,
    - continue to score on the economy and production,
    - focus exclusively on "what will Trump's friend and others like him say"
    -
    -etc. etc.
    So we will raise the birth rate! Yeah ...
    Sarcasm, if anyone does not understand (ruffle)
    1. Varyag71
      Varyag71 29 November 2019 13: 38
      +1
      There will be no Putin and United Russia, then there will be no Russia.
      Sarcasm, if that.
    2. bandabas
      bandabas 29 November 2019 20: 03
      0
      Most hope I understand. Especially in the appendage, etc. etc. The destruction game continues. De facto, de jure.
  34. Tank hard
    Tank hard 28 November 2019 19: 17
    +6
    It's fun to read about what the late Kapitsa tried to shout during his lifetime. It's cool to hear about maternity capital, which you can buy decent housing for. USSR destroyed, communist values ​​destroyed and discredited. Christian values ​​are destroyed and discredited with all their might. It remains to adopt a law on domestic violence, which is lobbyed by such personalities as Oksana Pushkina associates, and then a complete end to the family and the country. So what did you want? request
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 28 November 2019 19: 48
      -2
      Christian values, just destroyed by communist values.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 28 November 2019 19: 50
        +1
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Christian values, just destroyed by communist values

        Now they are trying to finish off the rest ...
  35. Professor
    Professor 28 November 2019 19: 27
    +3
    Of course, the most important measure of real financing for raising the birth rate is to pay normal wages, which could support a family with three or more children. Such salaries, unfortunately, in modern Russia receive an absolute minority. If we take four children, an unemployed mother and father, then such a family simply will not be able to live on less than 100-150 thousand rubles (unless you talk about survival when you choose what to buy - socks for the eldest son or average cowards, potatoes or pasta) .


    The author did not understand anything.
    Niger - income per capita $ 1; fertility of 200 per woman,
    Singapore - per capita income $ 94; fertility of 100 children per woman.

    The more money the less children.
    1. Bear040
      Bear040 30 November 2019 12: 24
      +2
      We need to look not at candy wrappers, but at what you can really buy for them ... Even in Russia, $ 300 in the 90s and today it is different money ... In the 90s you could live on them, today you can only survive
  36. DPN
    DPN 28 November 2019 19: 34
    -1
    Yes, everything is fine, the West has set a task: in Russia there should be 15 million people and we are going to fulfill this task.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 28 November 2019 19: 47
      +4
      And what task did the West set for itself if they die out faster than ours?
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 28 November 2019 21: 14
      -2
      Quote: DPN
      the West has set the task: in Russia there should be 15 million people

      This bike is a hundred years old at lunch. And this, my friend, is a lie ... excuse me request
      1. DPN
        DPN 29 November 2019 19: 59
        -1
        So WE live better than anyone else and everything else is nonsense, there is no extinction and no future is foreseen, the pale foliage just disappears.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 29 November 2019 21: 27
          -1
          Quote: DPN
          So WE live better than anyone and everything else is nonsense no extinction

          Do you think so? This is not true.

          It is also not true that

          Quote: DPN
          the West has set the task: in Russia there should be 15 million people

          This fake already got it, to be honest.

          Turn on logic sometimes, it hasn’t hurt anyone yet yes
  37. Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 28 November 2019 19: 37
    +4
    There is, they ate to stop robbing Russia, exporting the stolen goods to London, Kyrgyzstan ..... and start thinking about the indigenous population of the Russian Federation, and not about crooks with Russophobia, for whom Russia is only a cash cow, which needs to be fed less and milked more ...
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 28 November 2019 19: 47
      0
      Quote: Sapsan136
      , Kyrgyzstan.

      Here is more detailed, until 2006 there was not one sane bank in Kyrgyzstan (in fact, there were none at all!). When Kyrgyzstan became Switzerland or Cyprus for the worst, maybe I don’t know, enlighten me, where is the capital invested there? wink feel
      1. Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 28 November 2019 20: 14
        +1
        In 2018, the GDP of Kyrgyzstan wrote off $ 240 million of debts to Kyrgyzstan ... This year I presented military equipment for 1 billion rubles ... My question is - In which country does he live and what kind of president is he? Maybe it’s time for him to go to Kyrgyzstan for permanent residence, if there is always no money in the Russian Federation, but there is always money for Kyrgyzstan ?! I am glad that you have fun, but to me and many others it’s not at all funny and very sad ...
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 28 November 2019 21: 01
          0
          Quote: Sapsan136
          In 2018, GDP wrote off $ 240 million of debts to Kyrgyzstan.

          This is a worldwide practice if you are not in the know.
          Quote: Sapsan136
          .This year I presented military equipment for 1 billion rubles ...

          I would give a much larger amount.
          Quote: Sapsan136
          Maybe it’s time for him to go to Kyrgyzstan for permanent residence, if there is always no money in the Russian Federation, but there is always money for Kyrgyzstan ?!

          Tell him personally your opinion ...
          Quote: Sapsan136
          I am glad that you have fun, but to me and many others it’s not at all funny and very sad ...

          Wear mourning.
          1. Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 28 November 2019 21: 34
            +1
            If you don’t know, the Russian Federation is full of its problems that had to be solved yesterday and if in Russia they raise their retirement age, citing a lack of money and immediately give them to the Kyrgyz Republic, then I regard this as treason and a dishonorable act of dishonest people, who are not patriots of the Russian Federation from the word ABSOLUTELY ... Maybe you should also renounce citizenship of the Russian Federation and permanent residence in Kyrgyzstan, since the problems of the Russian Federation do not bother you, and Kyrgyzstan is your EVERYTHING ... because from the point of view of the indigenous population of the Russian Federation this is theft. .. theft from Russia and its people ... in favor of a foreign state ... Present your apartment, and not that which does not belong to you personally, since you are so generous ... Stop being generous at someone else’s expense!
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 28 November 2019 21: 46
              -5
              Quote: Sapsan136
              if in Russia they raise the retirement age, citing a shortage of money and immediately give it to the Kyrgyz Republic, then I regard this as treason

              Ay, you eat beautifully, daragoy ... come on, come on ...

              Somewhere I already heard these songs. Oh, I don’t remember in any way. Sclerosis, probably laughing
              1. Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 28 November 2019 23: 45
                -3
                Do you like what foreign countries feed at your expense? I don’t, I have no relatives either in Kyrgyzstan or in Greece ...
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 29 November 2019 20: 22
                  -3
                  The USSR fed 120 countries of the world at its own expense since the 60s - but you were silent about this something.
                  1. Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 29 November 2019 22: 17
                    0
                    That's why the USSR collapsed, all its money was gobbled up by foreign parasites, and there wasn’t any left for its own population ... Now all sorts of not smart people of the Russian Federation are falling apart
            2. Tank hard
              Tank hard 28 November 2019 21: 54
              -2
              Quote: Sapsan136
              If you don’t know, the Russian Federation is full of its problems that had to be solved yesterday and if in Russia they raise their retirement age, citing a lack of money and immediately give them to the Kyrgyz Republic, then I regard this as treason and a dishonorable act of dishonest people, who are not patriots of the Russian Federation from the word ABSOLUTELY ..

              Everything is lost!
              Quote: Sapsan136
              .Maybe it is also better for you to renounce citizenship of the Russian Federation and permanent residence in Kyrgyzstan, since the problems of the Russian Federation do not bother you, and Kyrgyzstan is your EVERYTHING ... because from the point of view of the indigenous population of the Russian Federation this is theft ... theft of Russia and its people .. .in favor of a foreign state ... Present your apartment, and not that which does not belong to you personally, since you are so generous ..

          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 28 November 2019 23: 42
            +2
            Russia has another 50% of worn-out fixed assets worth 86 trillion rubles that need to be restored.
          3. Varyag71
            Varyag71 29 November 2019 13: 41
            -2
            Out of your pocket, be kind
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 29 November 2019 16: 05
              0
              And so we pay taxes to the budget and local co-financing of projects.
  38. iouris
    iouris 28 November 2019 19: 48
    +2
    This is a question for demographers. Where is the science of demography? Aw! What will be the population structure in 15 years? Will it be from whom to recruit pilots and how many can they be recruited?
  39. Starper-xnumx
    Starper-xnumx 28 November 2019 19: 50
    +1
    The highest birth rate in the USSR was, after the Victory in the Great Patriotic War and during the reign of Brezhnev (the so-called stagnation ".. So think, guys, what the Russian people need for this!) hi
    Ideology is needed to unite the peoples of Russia and confidence in the future.! But no, neither the one nor the other .. In Russia, temporary workers rule, so they have an "idea", grab it and dump it to the west with the whole family .. AND EVERYTHING! Watch our TV at their faces and you will understand everything at once negative
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  40. Ali Kokand
    Ali Kokand 28 November 2019 20: 18
    +2
    Population growth was compared using the example of Uzbekistan. I’ll clarify, from 1991 to 2019, the population of Uzbekistan increased from 24 to 34 million. Our birth rate is also falling. I have four children, and only two children. They don’t want to anymore. We have almost no government support for families, all by ourselves. Having a baby and raising and raising it is hard work. Blind and deaf and dumb, disabled, all families have several children. Childless are considered one of the most unhappy people, despite their wealth and career. When meeting people, they ask first of all how many children, and not about wealth. The religious factor also influences, the Muslim must leave behind offspring, and the clan should not fade away. It is difficult for us to understand those who knowingly do not want to have children.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 28 November 2019 20: 54
      +1
      Voooot! Childless means unhappy (or flawed?) As far as I remember, in Uzbekistan, there are no abandoned children. Despite the fact that your social sphere is not very good. Fertility - it’s in the head.
  41. nikvic46
    nikvic46 28 November 2019 20: 21
    0
    If those able to give birth would have at least one child each, we would be fine.
  42. nikvic46
    nikvic46 28 November 2019 20: 34
    -5
    You can increase the population in one simple way. In the United States it does not matter who gave birth to a child, migrant or local. A child born in the United States is an American citizen.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 29 November 2019 08: 40
      +1
      Trump advocates the abolition of this provision.
  43. faterdom
    faterdom 28 November 2019 20: 46
    +3
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    Christian values, just destroyed by communist values

    You do not mean temples? Because these are architectural values ​​rather than Christian ones.
    But Christian, strangely enough, but the Communists have greatly strengthened, in the form of a moral code of the builder of communism, who drove with zeal no less than Vladimir and Putyata (both names have no relation to you know whom) drove Christianity at the time.
  44. storm
    storm 29 November 2019 03: 37
    0
    in fact, everything is very simple to solve:
    - it is necessary to get rid of thousands of elite "leeches" that own 90% of Russia's national wealth and suck out the main income from the sale of natural resources;
    - Two-three times to reduce the number of officials at all levels and, accordingly, the budget for their maintenance;
    - reform of the pension system, the abolition of double pensions to officials and deputies of all levels, limiting the total maximum pension to 50 thousand rubles;
    - Labor pensions of at least 2 minimum wages are paid only to Russian citizens who have at least 25 years of work experience and regularly pay taxes;
    - tightly restrict external labor migration, a visa for 6 months for guest workers should cost 60 thousand rubles and be paid before entering the country;
    - Forced expulsion from Russia of citizens of other states who do not have a paid work visa, without the right to enter the Russian Federation for 10 years.
    - the minimum wage of a Russian citizen for 160 hours per month should be at least 2 minimum wages, and the number of migrant workers in the general list of the labor collective should be no more than 10%;

    - each mother who is a citizen of Russia (born in Russia and representing the indigenous peoples of Russia) must receive an allowance of two living wages, for herself and for the child until they reach 3 years of age, then only the allowance is paid for the child until they reach 18 summer age.
    - free medical care for citizens of the Russian Federation;
    - free schooling + college for citizens of the Russian Federation;

    In 10 years Russia will be a "country of children" ....
    1. vindigo
      vindigo 2 December 2019 10: 35
      +1
      I would rather pay this allowance to the male head of the family. So that a woman does not have the temptation to ruin her family.
  45. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 29 November 2019 06: 59
    +1
    What kind of childbirth can we talk about? The meaning of the reforms that began in the 90s and current programs in the destruction of the population. Chubais, Gref, who play a significant role in the formation of the state of the Russian Federation, do not even hide the meaning of the transformations taking place in the country - to turn the people into slaves, which is being successfully implemented. The Russian population is replaced by migrants with traditionally high birth rates. This is a completely different quality of people who are accustomed to hard physical labor, more hardy with a low educational level. Migrants form diasporas, which allows them to survive. And the Russians are a divided people, even in their own state. Remember how the Russian state was formed: there was a resettlement from the center, where there was not enough land for food, in the outback and outskirts. There was enough land for both locals and immigrants. This is one stage of separation. The descendants of these immigrants suffered in collectivization, they were evicted, because they were more successful in economic activity. In Soviet times, the next stage of resettlement took place. The most successful graduates were distributed in the outback, where the main industrial facilities were built. And in the 90s, the main blow of the reforms was aimed at the destruction of industry, the specialists who worked for them were beyond survival. Employees of agricultural enterprises could survive at the expense of a personal farmstead; most specialists of industrial enterprises had no chance. To date, a new model of society has finally formed:
    - owners of all natural resources and their numerous staff:
    1) bureaucratic and deputy corps lobbying their interests,
    2) the media, imposing a consumer model of behavior, creating a myth of well-being in the country,
    3) entertainment segment, artists, athletes, and other showmen,
    4) a servant providing a comfortable and safe life.
    - The benefit-producing segment is not numerous, salaries are at the level of the real cost of living, there is no guarantee of payment.
    -Budget employees fulfilling the state social order (doctors, teachers, etc.) with a meager salary, ensuring the existence of the family through multiple processing of working time.
    - a self-employed segment, on periodic earnings, the advantage associated with parasitization in the population, who go home and mislead the elderly and who are on vacation after a hard day, people whose alertness at this moment is reduced.
    And why give birth to children who need to be fed, dressed, shoeed, educated, endured deprivation, lack of sleep, malnutrition, tired physically and it’s not a fact that you can provide children with the standard of living required by the state, because you can lose them. What can the new generation strive for? To learn to deceive the same ordinary citizens, often already in difficult life situations. How will they live if the people in the country have responsibilities, but are they right or not or they are not respected? The people will die out, because the state does not need people. The anthem, flag, name, zits president is and will be, probably even the name will be preserved, but there will be no state and the Russian people will not. A people who defeated external enemies and fell victim to traitors.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 29 November 2019 08: 27
      -3
      Indeed, how can I give birth when there are so many entertainments in life. Here peasants in tsarist Russia did not distract from this process. It doesn't matter what ur will be. well-being in Russia, you still will not have enough, although Russia has never lived as well as it is now.
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 29 November 2019 16: 08
        0
        It's not about entertainment. However, the fact that entertainment lovers do not give birth is even good, because alcohol is added to the entertainment, there is no desire to raise children, so it will be orphans with their parents alive. The fact is that people who want to have children immediately fall into a difficult life situation.
  46. FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 29 November 2019 07: 50
    0
    Here, many noted correctly - it is not about money. Do you think the rich have more children in their families? Nifiga. The same 1-2 children. I believe that the point in the model of modern society is partly egoism (a desire to live on one's own) and partly a consumption model. I want a better apartment, car, travel, children do not fit. Those who have a tight money have a desire to get out of the hole, work harder, again, the children do not fit.
    Two children themselves no longer have a desire to have. Although I can still pull 2-3 finance. I want to live for myself, and not straighten statistics :)
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 29 November 2019 14: 52
      0
      Children - this is "living for yourself". No car will caress you like a child. They will wrap up at the resort, and you can get a pumpkin ...
  47. EvilLion
    EvilLion 29 November 2019 08: 22
    -3
    Mortality cannot increase; it is 100% for all people. And the birth rate should be increased in bed, and not at rallies. And in general, you can turn to the experience of Nigeria, Afghanistan, and other places where everything is in full order with the birth rate.
  48. Million
    Million 29 November 2019 08: 33
    +1
    Judging by the dynamics of population decline, the great managers Putin and Co. are only striving for this
  49. Stammelford
    Stammelford 29 November 2019 08: 54
    +1
    Maybe my wife and I would move one more child, but, among other things, it makes me sad to think that another 4 years, almost every morning will have to spend 40-45 minutes in order to take the child to the kindergarten, which is located two metro stations from home. Plus another time to pick up from his garden. At the same time, a new kindergarten is 50 meters from the house. But there are no places. They stood in line at the garden immediately after birth.
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 29 November 2019 15: 05
      0
      You will still regret such thoughts and mistakes. And sob - but it will be too late! And after all, even the wife will not have the opportunity to shift the blame ...
  50. Esaul
    Esaul 29 November 2019 09: 25
    -2
    Turn off the Internet, TV and demographics straighten