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Britain urged to allow cluster munitions in case of war with Russia

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Britain urged to allow cluster munitions in case of war with Russia

In the event of a hypothetical war with Russia, if Britain wants to win it, it needs to withdraw from the 2008 Cluster Munition Convention. This statement was made by the drafters of the report from the Royal United Services Institute for Defense and Security Studies (RUSI), which is the British defense analytical center, The Daily Telegraph writes.


The authors of the report argue that in the event of a military clash with Russia, the latter will have a significant advantage over the British armed forces, as "enemy artillery will be able to carry out their fire tasks with impunity." To prevent this, the UK has two options, the report says, to increase the cost of creating an expensive high-precision weapons or refuse obligations under the Convention prohibiting the use of cluster munitions.

The report indicates that the armed forces understand the importance of artillery and the resumption of the development of such weapons, but it is unclear whether the government shares this position.

In turn, the Russian embassy in London said that Britain was constantly intimidating the population with the hypothetical threat of a Russian attack, seeking to increase military spending.

Note that the Convention on the Ban of Cluster Munitions was adopted in 2008, it was signed by 103 states. They pledged not to use cluster munitions, not to develop them, not to acquire and not to transfer to others. Existing stocks must be destroyed. The largest manufacturers of this type of ammunition - Russia, the USA, China, India, Brazil, Pakistan and Israel - did not sign the document.
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  1. Honest Citizen
    Honest Citizen 27 November 2019 09: 47
    +5
    Naglosaksa such naklosaksa. What the United States what Britons - do not feed bread, just let me out of a thread of the contract
    1. krot
      krot 27 November 2019 09: 51
      +20
      We may have to do the same, and get out of the convention on the prohibition of biological, bacteriological, chemical weapons, and even begin to test atomic weapons, and generally do not give a damn about the Anglo-Saxons! We will win anyway! The rest will die!
      By the way, the Anglo-Saxons are still conducting experiments with biological and bacteriological weapons!
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 27 November 2019 10: 20
      -1
      Quote: Honest Citizen
      Naglosaksa such naklosaksa. What the United States what Britons - do not feed bread, just let me out of a thread of the contract

      I do not understand why they are soaring? We use cluster bombs in Syria and everything is fine.

      The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation showed cluster bombs at an exhibition in the Patriot military-patriotic park near Moscow, which they allegedly used during the war in Syria.
      Models of bombing cartridges RBC-500 AO-2,5RT and RBC-500 SHOAB-0,5 exhibited in the pavilion, designated as "Exposition of weapons and military equipment used in the course of military operations in the Syrian Arab Republic."
      1. Horon
        Horon 27 November 2019 11: 44
        +6
        It should be noted that the Convention on the Ban of Cluster Munitions was adopted in 2008, 103 states signed it. They pledged not to use cluster munitions, not to develop them, not to acquire and not to transfer to others. Existing stocks must be destroyed. The largest manufacturers of this type of ammunition - Russia, USA, China, India, Brazil, Pakistan and Israel - the document was not signed.

        This indicates a lack of responsibility for the documents signed by them themselves! So quietly, Britain said that the value of the documents they signed was too high and did not really exceed the cost of toilet paper.
        1. mig29mks
          mig29mks 27 November 2019 18: 39
          0
          "And let's use any forbidden weapon in the war with Russia (when we attack Russia) !!! What's the difference how to destroy these Russians. And if the Russians win, then they will no longer regret us and will bury everyone."
    3. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 27 November 2019 10: 59
      0
      Quote: Honest Citizen
      Naglosaksa such naklosaksa. What the United States what Britons - do not feed bread, just let me out of a thread of the contract

      Are there any other peace treaties from which these "holy days of peace and democracy" have not yet emerged ?!
      1. Cut Samshitov
        Cut Samshitov 27 November 2019 11: 42
        0
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Quote: Honest Citizen
        Naglosaksa such naklosaksa. What the United States what Britons - do not feed bread, just let me out of a thread of the contract

        Are there any other peace treaties from which these "holy days of peace and democracy" have not yet emerged ?!

        There is. If profitable. As soon as not profitable, immediately go out. The gentleman is the master of the word. He wants to give. He doesn’t want to.
    4. SSR
      SSR 27 November 2019 11: 35
      +7
      Quote: Honest Citizen
      Naglosaksa such naklosaksa. What the United States what Britons - do not feed bread, just let me out of a thread of the contract

      IMHA.
      Their time is running out and in 20 years they will become a country such as Portugal or Spain, everything that previously gave an impetus to their prosperity and development ends (open robbery of countries), by inertia the old cat will be puffed up but the world is changing and their age is leaving.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 27 November 2019 13: 44
        +1
        Hardly...
        If you mean England.
        The colonies ended 50 years ago.
        She has one of the world's largest defense industry companies - BAE Systems.
        There are Rolls-Royce - military and civil aviation engines.
        Aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines they do themselves.
        Well, and finance. London is the number 1-2 in the world in terms of financial transactions.
        Even if Hong Kong / Shanghai moves it a little ... recourse The whole world comes for arbitration in London.
        1. MKPU-115
          MKPU-115 27 November 2019 15: 02
          +1
          Do you think how long they will live on their island if they fight with Russia for real? About industry and the financial center, you can not even remember.
          "Britain has called for allowing cluster munitions in case of war with Russia" - they will no longer have time for cluster munitions.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 27 November 2019 15: 24
            0
            If you are talking about nuclear war, then everyone will be covered with a copper basin. sad
            England, if you recall, has 3-4 nuclear submarines with Trident ICBMs. More than a hundred hydrogen warheads on them. And as many non-deployed.
            They can also, in haste, smash half a planet into smoke.
            We will live in peace drinks
            1. MKPU-115
              MKPU-115 27 November 2019 16: 46
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh

              We will live in peace drinks
              It’s a pity it still doesn’t reach them, they’re not the same, and the ways to rule the world have remained .... in case of war with Russia - let them prepare for evacuation from their island, but where?
              Quote: voyaka uh

              England, if you recall, has 3-4 nuclear submarines with Trident ICBMs. More than a hundred hydrogen warheads on them. And as many non-deployed. drinks
              And there is no territory from the word at all, where at least a handful of people could survive as a nation after a nuclear strike. There will be no financial center, no arbitration, nothing will happen. Do they need it?
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 27 November 2019 17: 04
                0
                "let them prepare for evacuation from their island, but where?" ////
                ----
                They, once again, have no problems with this.
                Australia will accept them with pleasure. New Zealand. Canada.
                Called: "British Commonwealth of Nations". They help each other in wars and crises.
                1. MKPU-115
                  MKPU-115 28 November 2019 09: 08
                  0
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  "let them prepare for evacuation from their island, but where?" ////
                  ----
                  They, once again, have no problems with this.
                  Australia will accept them with pleasure. New Zealand. Canada.
                  Called: "British Commonwealth of Nations". They help each other in wars and crises.

                  Will accept? And in time? 8 minutes flight time to the UK, to the United States 15 minutes.
                  Canada, yes, subjects of Great Britain, the polar regions will remain with her.
                  Do you naively think that New Zealand will stay afloat? At least it will wash away. It is high time to understand that there will be no winners at all in a nuclear war, there will be no "limited" nuclear strikes, it is necessary to negotiate, and not to rattle weapons near the borders of Russia.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 28 November 2019 11: 13
                    0
                    "Will they accept? Will they have time? 8 minutes flight time to Great Britain, 15 minutes to the USA." ///
                    ---
                    Actually 35 minutes to the USA, but that's not the point. We talk about "then", not "before" and "during". Major cities of the USA and Russia will be destroyed. And some European capitals. Small towns and villages will survive both there and there.
                    The entire southern hemisphere will survive.
                    Do not invent any fantastic waves and cataclysms.
                    For several years there will be "nuclear winter" - ash from fires in the air - the sun in the smoke, famine on the entire planet, devastating epidemics. For another 10-20 years. Local wars for another 30 years.
                    Then humanity will begin to recover.
            2. Amateur
              Amateur 27 November 2019 19: 20
              0
              Although Britain maintains its status as an independent nuclear power, it is tied to the use of nuclear weapons through the NATO Nuclear Planning Group, and its nuclear forces are included in the US Strategic Objective Defeat Operational Plan (OPLAN).

              THOSE. UK does not have the right to use its nuclear weapons without US permission.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 27 November 2019 22: 31
                0
                There are three main points:
                1) Submarines are entitled to strike by the Tridents only,
                AFTER a NUCLEAR strike was struck across Britain.
                2) The order should come only from the command from London
                3) The strike must be approved by a special American officer,
                permanently on each submarine.
        2. SSR
          SSR 27 November 2019 16: 46
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Aircraft carriers

          UK will lease its latest aircraft carrier
          rueconomics.ru ›... velikobritaniya ... v ...
          Turbo · One of the aircraft carriers will remain in service, the second is planned to be leased to an interested ally, reports ... Read more

          Since Apple there are constant problems.
          And their engines are excellent. They had "fat" times, and now even the United States is driving Europeans into a stall as a competitor.
          Europeans resist the US withdrawing from the agreement on Iran and the Americans sneezing on their interests. So countries begin to shift their financial tastes so as not to fall under the US ice rink. Nothing stands still, and you cannot be a leader in everything.
    5. Sergey Ka
      Sergey Ka 27 November 2019 12: 32
      +1
      Yeah, especially from the one that Russia did not sign :)))
      1. cost
        cost 27 November 2019 12: 59
        +1
        In the event of a hypothetical war with Russia, if Britain wants to win it, it needs to withdraw from the 2008 Cluster Munitions Convention

        the British apparently forgot how they deal with violators of the convention yes
    6. Mylenef
      Mylenef 27 November 2019 14: 22
      0
      So if gentlemen do not like the rules, they change them
  2. Dimy4
    Dimy4 27 November 2019 09: 50
    +8
    Each stick has two sides. Or do the British hope that we, in which case, so gentlemanly, will shoot from slingshots?
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 27 November 2019 10: 16
      -1
      There is always a clever bolt on a tricky nut. wink
      1. Den717
        Den717 27 November 2019 10: 57
        +1
        Quote: bessmertniy
        There is always a clever bolt on a tricky nut.

        The smart bolt can be replaced with a Poseidon (or two) with a 100MT load. And even if it is not cassette ... But at once it will solve the centuries-old headache of Russia laughing
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 November 2019 10: 33
      -1
      Quote: Dimy4
      Or the British hope

      "We ought to ask with passion whether they hope or not. Isn't it Lavrenty?"
    3. 4ekist
      4ekist 27 November 2019 10: 42
      +1
      Yes, but in response, shooting from a slingshot with separable nuclear charges, 50 kilotons of commercials. It will turn out great. They don’t want to discuss such a situation?
  3. Dmitry Donskoy
    Dmitry Donskoy 27 November 2019 09: 52
    +6
    These Anglo-Saxons have already got it. I think global warming will hide this lying island under water before they shoot in our direction. am
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 27 November 2019 10: 17
      +9
      So remember what New Atlantis! drinks
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 November 2019 10: 31
      0
      Quote: Dmitry Donskoy
      I think global warming will hide this lying island under water before they shoot in our direction.

      We will not live to see it, the warming is slow, but if only to help nature a little, then we will survive.
    3. pru-pavel
      pru-pavel 27 November 2019 14: 37
      -3
      Petersburg by the way drown much earlier than Britain
  4. Skay
    Skay 27 November 2019 09: 52
    +7
    And these gathered to fight against us ...

    "enemy artillery will be able to carry out their fire missions with impunity"

    But who will destroy you with artillery? Or are you going to fight on the mainland?
  5. Azazelo
    Azazelo 27 November 2019 09: 53
    +4
    Well, duck immediately allow chemical and bacteriological immediately, otherwise all this "good" is hidden in the basements
  6. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 27 November 2019 09: 54
    +7
    In case of war, I think that most of the conventions will go "sideways", because "all means are good to achieve the goal." And all the warring parties will get out of the stash boxes and lighters, and cluster, and anti-personnel mines IT, etc., and so on ...
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 27 November 2019 10: 02
      +12
      Theoretically, after the landing of the nuclear warheads of the RFM ICBMs, everyone will be concerned only with getting anti-radiation drugs and food for themselves. And tactical nuclear weapons will fly into any other movements, rather than cartridges. By the time of the depletion of nuclear weapons, even a swing with a club will not.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 November 2019 10: 28
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      In case of war, I think that most of the conventions will go "sideways", because "all means are good to achieve the goal."

      Well, the conventions have already "gone sideways". The first was the INF, now cluster munitions. Here is the question "In case of war" or is it already here?
      1. Redfox3k
        Redfox3k 27 November 2019 10: 56
        +6
        The first victim was the anti-missile defense agreement of 1972, and the rest went knurled ..
    3. kit88
      kit88 27 November 2019 15: 21
      +6
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      In case of war, I think that most of the conventions will go "sideways", because "all means are good to achieve the goal."

      Here the balance is important. And well-calculated options for possible enemy response.
      This is what prevented Hitler from flooding Leningrad with phosgene in 1942. Probably, in response, Berlin would have been immediately filled with mustard gas.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 27 November 2019 10: 00
    +7
    Britain urged to allow cluster munitions in case of war with Russia
    This is exclusively in Anglo-Saxon - no conventions apply to Russia, tk. she is (Russia) the default barbarian. So you will think after such a statement - do you want the British, in that case, to smell the real "Novice" (in case of war)? Or would it be considered an international crime against the "enlightened and civilized"? They are arrogant and utterly cynical about Russia and do not hide it.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 November 2019 10: 25
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      So you will think after such a statement - do you want the British, in that case, to smell the real "Novice" (in case of war)?

      "Newbie" is also a kind of addictive drug, having tried it once, pulls a second time, but you already want a larger dose.
  8. maidan.izrailovich
    maidan.izrailovich 27 November 2019 10: 02
    0
    How will this save them from "poplars" and other Russian "botany"? crying
  9. Leonid Bailov
    Leonid Bailov 27 November 2019 10: 16
    +1
    Our collective farm uncle Vasya, urged, in case of war with Great Britain, to use his footcloths. But for this, Russia must withdraw from the treaty banning chemical weapons.
  10. Sitearvi
    Sitearvi 27 November 2019 10: 17
    0
    Skinheads are not shy to recognize the power of Russia and therefore are ready to violate any conventions.
  11. Prisoner
    Prisoner 27 November 2019 10: 18
    0
    If you fucking start a war with Russia, no ammunition will help you. Rivet flippers and masks with tubes, and air mattresses.
  12. mentle
    mentle 27 November 2019 10: 21
    +4
    Quote: Skay
    And these gathered to fight against us ...

    "enemy artillery will be able to carry out their fire missions with impunity"

    But who will destroy you with artillery? Or are you going to fight on the mainland?

    Especially against the background of the fact that AUGs are being leased. They would have to do the preparation of the militia or something;)
  13. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 27 November 2019 10: 21
    +4
    In the event of a hypothetical war with Russia, if Great Britain wants to win it, it needs to withdraw from the 2008 Cluster Munitions Convention.
    As we say, "In the insane asylum, they spud the boots." Where is Landon with his Great Britain? From Moscow to London 2500 kilometers, and what to take from this "cliff in the ocean", no land, no fossils, even the weather and even then there is no. It looks like a "madhouse", but look closely, as always, the Anglo-Saxon cleverly twisted policy. Having declared a threat (and the whole world knows who the enemy is), cluster munitions can be fired under this "shop", then "dum-dum" bullets, bullets with "displaced", shimosa, OV, etc. And Trump has already given a start by canceling the INF Treaty. In short, the world "in full steam" rushes to World War 3.
    1. Skay
      Skay 27 November 2019 11: 42
      +2
      what to take from this "rock in the ocean", no land, no fossils, even the weather and even then there is no.

      This is a resident of evil.
  14. askort154
    askort154 27 November 2019 10: 23
    +3
    "...In the case of a hypothetical war with Russia, if Great Britain wants to win it ..., "

    .... We need to pick up a calculator and calculate how many cluster bombs you need, and Russia for you.

    Area of ​​England = 243 square meters. km
    Area of ​​Russia = 17 151 442 sq. Km.
    Who are you competing with? fool
  15. rocket757
    rocket757 27 November 2019 10: 23
    +1
    Britain urged to allow cluster munitions in case of war with Russia

    Then immediately resolve barrel bombs! What will Frau Führer talk about from the stands ... who will launch her!
  16. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 27 November 2019 10: 27
    +1
    In the event of a hypothetical war with Russia, if Great Britain wants to win it, it needs to withdraw from the 2008 Cluster Munitions Convention.

    Maybe Russia should reconsider the power of warheads for GB? belay
  17. akunin
    akunin 27 November 2019 10: 28
    0
    The largest manufacturers of this type of ammunition - Russia, the USA, China, India, Brazil, Pakistan and Israel - did not sign the document.
    quite a sober idea even if you don’t fight.
  18. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 27 November 2019 10: 28
    0
    The cartridges will fly anyway, it’s a painfully effective weapon, including psychologically.
    We used such ammunition against barmaleys and SDF, what can we say about the big war game. Tapes there are the least problem.
  19. rosomaha
    rosomaha 27 November 2019 10: 29
    0
    The largest producers of this type of ammunition are India, Pakistan and Israel ... Knowledgeable people, if these countries are manufacturers, then what types of cluster-wedge ammunition are they producing now?
  20. Masha
    Masha 27 November 2019 10: 33
    +3
    The UK has two options, the report says, to increase the cost of creating expensive high-precision weapons or to abandon obligations under the Convention prohibiting the use of cluster munitions

    "or"???? yes, they use everything in the compartment, since they got frightened ... and they will have money, and they will refuse to commit ... IMHO
  21. Livonetc
    Livonetc 27 November 2019 10: 40
    +1
    Britain will be covered by the Full Borisets munition.
    Baltic states "Zvezdeckausas".
    And further in the same format.
    1. Amateur
      Amateur 27 November 2019 13: 24
      0
      Full Borisets

      You're not right! will be full Elizdets
  22. Evil 55
    Evil 55 27 November 2019 10: 56
    0
    In the event of a war with Russia, after 10 minutes in Britain, simply SOMEONE will use any ammunition, including cluster munitions ..
  23. Redfox3k
    Redfox3k 27 November 2019 11: 00
    0
    Then immediately invent a rubber bomb and put into service. It does not fall under any conventions.
  24. sir_obs
    sir_obs 27 November 2019 11: 15
    +1
    And do not sprinkle them "newbie"?
  25. awg75
    awg75 27 November 2019 11: 18
    0
    in the event of a war with Russia, England simply will not. from the word completely ...
  26. askort154
    askort154 27 November 2019 11: 21
    +1
    It should be noted that the Convention on the Ban of Cluster Munitions was adopted in 2008, 103 states signed it.

    The paper will endure everything and will last until the first big war, then it will go to the toilet.
    An example of this is the ban on the use of phosphorus bombs. And what's the point!
    Even Ukraine, more than once used them in the Donbass. So what ? West of it,
    naturally, "did not notice". So these "conventions" follow only Russia.
  27. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 27 November 2019 11: 29
    +1
    Wow, there is a Convention on the prohibition of cluster munitions.
    In the Donbass, cassettes were used with might and main; there was a full house yard of fragments.

    You can think of a small Britain, it will help, in the event of a one-on-one war, Russia will slam it like a fly.
  28. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 27 November 2019 11: 46
    0
    In case of war, they will be sent under water from their islet, that's all ...
  29. Esaul
    Esaul 27 November 2019 11: 55
    0
    And how will these cluster bombs help them in the event of a massive nuclear strike
  30. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 November 2019 11: 57
    0
    You might think some kind of "bans" were working. In 1893, fifty British guards of the Rhodesian charter company in Africa in 90 minutes from 4 machine guns shot 5000 attacking Zulu. 3000 of them died.
  31. ZVS
    ZVS 27 November 2019 12: 41
    0
    You might think that Anglo-Saxon pigs once adhered to international conventions. In Russia, it is necessary to adopt a provision permitting, in the event of a war with England, the use of all types of weapons prohibited by conventions, including bacteriological and chemical weapons.
  32. Vladimir_6
    Vladimir_6 27 November 2019 12: 45
    0
    In the event of a hypothetical war with Russia, if Great Britain wants to win it, it needs to withdraw from the 2008 Cluster Munitions Convention.

    In the case of a hypothetical war with Russia and Great Britain, no ammunition will be needed at all.
  33. Amateur
    Amateur 27 November 2019 13: 22
    -2
    In the case of a hypothetical war with Russia, if Great Britain wants to win it,

    They walk wide. As if the pants are not cracked, otherwise instead of the "unsinkable aircraft carrier" you may get a "flooded island"
  34. lucul
    lucul 27 November 2019 13: 56
    -1
    Britain urged to allow cluster munitions in case of war with Russia

    It will not help - the Russians directly said - in case of war, no one will capture / occupy this island.
    The whole island will be sunk to the bottom of the sea - no one will be in ceremony.
  35. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 27 November 2019 15: 31
    0
    And Russia they think will sit idle, that is, nor I think that in the shortest possible time it will be difficult to put them on a production stream.
  36. saveall
    saveall 27 November 2019 15: 44
    0
    Stupid, if you start a mess with Russia, then most likely there will be nobody to use cluster bombs on either side ... Perhaps only those who will use charred wooden sticks will remain, and even then most likely for hunting. Although this is doubtful ... Is it possible that everything in the West is so run with intelligence?
  37. Crazy
    Crazy 27 November 2019 16: 40
    0
    When it is the Anglo-Saxons, they asked someone permission to kill in the entire history of mankind ..? Somebody knows..
  38. razved
    razved 27 November 2019 20: 30
    0
    Now they are talking about cluster munitions ... you see, they will soon reach the BWA ... especially since the experience of using them has been accumulated by the Anglo-Saxons quite large ...
  39. Kelwin
    Kelwin 28 November 2019 00: 06
    -1
    Interestingly, the shaving in eight minutes will be able to taxi at least from the pub, even it is doubtful ...))