Turkey refused to send its soldiers "to protect" the Baltic states and Poland from the "Russian threat"

Western media write that Ankara has taken a tough stance in the North Atlantic Alliance and has demanded that allies in the NATO bloc recognize the Kurdistan Workers Party and its affiliates as terrorists.

In particular, it is noted that Turkey has a negative attitude towards the fact that NATO continues to ignore the statements of the Turkish authorities in this regard. In Turkey, they emphasize that it was the PKK and related structures that at one time participated in the hostilities in the south-east of the country and today they are doing the same at the Turkish borders on the Syrian side.

At the same time, the Western media noted that in response to the refusal of the NATO countries to accept the arguments of Ankara, Turkey decided to refuse to support the NATO plan to form a collective defense of the Baltic countries and Poland.

Recall that NATO constantly declares that the threat from Russia is allegedly emanating from the Baltic republics and Poland.
Turkey made it clear that it does not agree with such arguments.

Turkey notes that NATO is talking about ephemeral and far-fetched threats at a time when individual members of the alliance are faced with real threats. Here, Ankara means itself and threats to it from the armed wing of the Kurdistan Workers' Party.

As a result, Ankara refused to send its soldiers to the Baltic states and Poland - "for their protection." Moreover, many countries of the Western military bloc have already made such a shipment, including the USA, Canada, Britain, the Netherlands, Germany, etc.

Comments

[Hunter 2]

Well and good! NATO orders do not comply! Failure to comply with the Order is the first bell of disability!

[Tatyana]

Ankara refused to send its soldiers to the Baltics and Poland - "for their protection." At the same time, such a shipment has already been carried out by many countries of the Western military bloc, including the United States, Canada, Britain, the Netherlands, Germany, etc.

Indeed, compared with other NATO countries, Turkish leaders can pragmatically defend their own national sovereignty in NATO!

[cniza]

Of course, after all, and the second military force in NATO ...

[Civil]

Well, it’s cold to the Turks, and even they have a war going on in the south with the Kurds.

[den3080]

Quote: Hunter 2

Well and good! NATO orders do not comply! Failure to comply with the Order is the first bell of disability!

Yes, they have there for a long time already someone in the forest for firewood.
one Stoltenberg ... :))

[Svarog]

Quote: Hunter 2

first bell incapacity!

This is not the first bell .. rather the last .. Turkey will soon leave NATO, well, or they will ask her .. But in general, the Turks squeeze the most out of foreign policy ..

[gafarovsafar]

Turks, even if they really want to, will not be able to get out of NATO, they will not allow it, and they themselves will not come out of the block.

[210ox]

They will not come out and not be thrown out. Rather, they will replace (oops, another revolution) Erdogan. The difficulty is that Turkey has significant industrial and economic potential and it is difficult to rock the situation there. The question is how loyal the army will be - it decides a lot there.

[Mainbeam]

Quote: 210ox

More likely to replace (oops, another revolution) Erdogan

They tried to change, if we recall the provocation of army officials with our shot down drying. Putin then did not finish Erdogan. Erdogan, under tomato sanctions, cleaned up a bit in the army.

And, if I correctly remember the articles on the topic of a possible military coup in Turkey, almost our intelligence then leaked Old Erdogan. So we have some kind of special alliance with Turkey: we are not at war, and we are not friends.

[Demon_is_ada]

Quote: MainBeam

Erdogan, under tomato sanctions, cleaned up a bit in the army.

18 landed officers a bit? And it is unlikely that they will blow out from there, given the mentality of the Turks ... He thoroughly cleansed the enemies, the army in the Turkish population is the elite among the people, and the people there can’t be badassed again because of the mentality. So in the next 50 years there are no coups planned. Sanctions on their drum, they are quite developed in industry, agriculture is the same, a wonderful climate, gas is already there , There will be a nuclear power plant, only it remains to buy oil with guarantees of long-term supplies and that’s all ... Why the Turks are Europe and especially mattress ???

[NBV]

As a citizen of a NATO country bordering Turkey, I look with interest at trends in Turkish politics. They have been waiting in line for EU membership for a long time, but because of human rights in Turkey, Europe is very resistant to membership. They cannot even enter Europe with an identity card, but can enter with a passport. They are charged customs duties and other barriers to doing business with Europe, and the EU is their main economic partner. The EU and NATO did not support Turkey in the Kurdish war in Syria. To this end, Turkey is also trying to sabotage NATO commitments in the Baltic countries. “You did not support us in Syria, we will not support you in the Baltic countries.”

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Hunter 2

first bell incapacity!

This is not the first bell .. rather the last .. Turkey will soon leave NATO, well, or they will ask her .. But in general, the Turks squeeze the most out of foreign policy ..

The bell is not the last, but it all goes to the point that NATO will soon begin such a chime that ears will be blocked. Not everyone there is ready to act on orders from the United States, but no one dared to protest and humbly dragged the strap before this Turkish demarche. Now everyone is squinting at the mattresses and waiting for what punitive measures they will apply to the obstinate ally. Mattresses cannot leave the situation unanswered, and in an effort to punish the archer, they can break firewood and encourage Ankara to slam the door. The jambs could withstand.

[210ox]

Orders? There is no such thing. I mean, there are some solutions .. Macron was right-brain died.

[bessmertniy]

Did NATO have a brain !? Or did the alliance think with a different body?

[Prisoner]

That's all, Kirdyk Baltic!

[novel66]

well, right, let the Balts be guarded by those who do cool, but the Turks have a lot to do. Should they think about whether they need NATO

[rocket757]

Traded or your own skin closest to the body?
All this must be carefully watched as it goes on.

[Zhan]

Recall that NATO constantly declares that the threat from Russia is allegedly emanating from the Baltic republics and Poland.
Turkey made it clear that it does not agree with such arguments.

Because of the forest because of the mountains, a man showed an ax, and not just showed, but tied it to something ...
It’s strange that this ditty scares our neighbors so much. But the Turks fellows, did not buy ..

[Aliken]

NATO is the most useless organization in the world.

[Tusv]

America interests observes. But more often with a different vowel in the verb

[Alex Justice]

NATO is the most useless organization in the world.

How well said!
NATO is a new religion. You give us your money now, we promise you in the future.

[askort154]

Turkey decided to refuse to support the NATO plan to form a collective defense of the Baltic states and Poland.

The strongest army in Europe (the second in NATO after the USA) - refused to obey! This is a serious ship riot. We are waiting for the reaction of NATO members, and the Western media, if they are allowed to "notice" it.

[aszzz888]

askort154 (Alexander) Today, 08: 07
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Turkey decided to refuse to support the NATO plan to form a collective defense of the Baltic states and Poland.

The strongest army in Europe (the second in NATO after the USA) - refused to obey! This is a serious ship riot. We are waiting for the reaction of NATO members, and the Western media, if they are allowed to "notice" it.

So yes, for natosrovtsev this is a big blow. This is truly a large army by NATO standards. Therefore, the fuss with the Turks will be great. The merikatos still do not know what to do specifically, apart from some sanctions against the first military of Turkey, according to the S-400, and then the new Turks are chosen.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: askort154

- refused to obey! This is a serious riot on the ship.

The Turks are well done and play only their own interests, the Russian Federation should remember this.
And I think it's revenge. Revenge of the Turks of Latvia specifically. A few years ago, the Latvian national football team beat Turks twice. Event Nr. 1 by rating eurosporta. Where is Latvia and where is Turkey, in everything, but the Turks will certainly not forgive ....

[Lena Petrova]

Canada yes, - concerned about protecting the Baltic states. And by the way, if only they did not meddle with us, the defenders.

[Ross xnumx]

At the same time, the Western media noted that in response to the refusal of the NATO countries to accept the arguments of Ankara, Turkey decided to refuse to support the NATO plan to form a collective defense of the Baltic countries and Poland.

Not everything that NATO needs for Turkey, and this inspires hope.

[rotmistr60]

Ankara refused to send its soldiers to the Baltics and Poland - "for their protection"

This still does not mean anything. Germany also refused to participate in operations in Libya, but this did not affect the attitude towards it in NATO. Erdogan is well aware that the Baltic states in reality do not need any help, because Russia did not attack and is not going to attack, decided to use this situation for its own purposes - once again make it clear to the United States that it is the master in Turkey.

[Paul Siebert]

Do not think that if the Turks did not send troops to Europe, then this is our victory.
Not bad, of course.
But as I can imagine - on the other side of the Baltic border are the descendants of the Vikings from invincible Denmark and the "orange soldiers" of the indomitable queen of the Netherlands, I feel uneasy.
Funny and sad. Pygmies found each other.
But there is no need to be mistaken about Turkey.
We haven’t fought so long and bloody with any state except Germany.
With varied success.
Turkey is not an ally! Temporary travel companion.
Erdogan is not eternal. Ottoman ambitions are eternal. Remember this!

[dmmyak40]

Quote: Paul Siebert

We haven’t fought so long and bloody with any state except Germany.

And why suddenly Russia was at war with Turkey with varying success? In my opinion, it was with Turkey that Russia fought very successfully. So successful that they almost took the capital. And the Russian soldiers considered the "Turk" not the strongest enemy. Remember the episodes of the Crimean War ... Or the battle of Rymnik. Where is the fickleness in success?

[Paul Siebert]

Please remember that Russia won the Crimea only the third time. In the First World, all the brilliant successes of Yudenich were annulled by our revolution, but how should the Crimean War end?
But all this does not cancel the glorious victories of Suvorov at Ramnik and Ishmael, the defeat of the Turkish squadrons at Kaliakria and Sinope. The immortal feat of our troops during the defense of Bayazet and Shipka!

[dmmyak40]

I remember about the conquest of Crimea, this page is rather complicated, but full of glorious deeds. The assault on Erzurum is generally on the list of brilliant operations in the new history of military science.
As for the Crimean War, I am not a supporter of considering it lost in one wicket. We fought with dignity against the coalition of half of Europe (I do not take into account any "Sardinia", etc.) and Turkey, territorial losses are small (Kars, Anatolia), the ban on the fleet in the World Cup was short-lived. Yes, the growth of influence in the Balkans was greatly slowed down. But the image losses of the Coalition were greater. Our admirals did not shoot out of shame.

[protoss]

I had a dispute here on V.O. with one character about the "cloudless" Russian-Turkish wars for us. So for the time being we ourselves tried not to go against the Ottomans without a coalition, because could be raked like in a Prut campaign. At the same time, our allies in such wars were not Khukhry-mukhry, but the Habsburg empire (often) and at times - the speech was still in juice, Britain, France, well, and a trifle like Venice.
the conquest of Crimea was generally a disaster, given that we were not predominantly with the Janissaries, but faced with the Crimean militia (in the understanding of the 18th century, the army). gigantic losses (tens of thousands of soldiers) in the war with the Crimeans, of which at that time there were 300 thousand small and large of both sexes, our commanders wrote off a runny nose and diarrhea, complained about the deadly-harsh Crimean nature, apparently not assuming that then there was a resort will be.
during the Crimean War, we found ourselves in approximately the position in which the Ottomans were traditionally — alone against the coalition of powers, and predictably lost.
in the last Russian-Turkish, by the way, they could indeed have taken Istanbul, but would this not have led to a repeat of the Crimean war against a coalition of powers with a predetermined outcome?

[aszzz888]

Turks break away in a quiet way. Even on the S-400 passions did not subside)) and here is a new one. Turks own a bike.

[Retvizan 8]

In fact, there’s no sabotage here, just Turkey from all NATO members is really the one who is the most fenced off (refugees, war with Kurds), while some members of the bloc are fighting with windmills!

[Yaro Polk]

The Ottomans .. this is a completely different World, a different civilization, how did they find themselves in NATO, why, their brains generally work differently, different values, a different religion ... unlike the Anglo-Saxons)

[Sergej1972]

Yes, we ourselves are partly to blame when in the mid-40s. They began to talk about a change in the regime of the Straits, and on behalf of the Armenian and Georgian SSR they began to make claims on Turkish territories.

[awdrgy]

How much Turkey is needed as a platform for NATO so it will be allowed to grow up It is interesting to what parts it will be divided in a pinch It seems that it is unlikely that they will let it go on its own

[protoss]

and what now has someone the ability to "divide it into parts"? It seems to me that no one has the strength for this now, if only not with vigorous bombs to demolish Istanbul and ankara.

[awdrgy]

In the 85th year, too, few believed that the USSR would fall apart and there are always opportunities

[Potato]

Turkey is a powerful and independent member of NATO. Well done. Their position, I hope, they at least sober up the Baltic mongrels of the USA, who firmly believe in the righteousness of the owners, and are ready to risk their lives by fulfilling American commands.

Do the very Poles not understand that Russia doesn’t need them? Why then are there so many American equipment and soldiers? Only the Turks can say: stop, guys, Russia does not need a war - calm down, do real things, respect your interests and sovereignty.

[cniza]

As a result, Ankara refused to send its soldiers to the Baltic states and Poland - "for their protection." Moreover, many countries of the Western military bloc have already made such a shipment, including the USA, Canada, Britain, the Netherlands, Germany, etc.

Is NATO a riot?

[Kochegarkin]

Erdogan’s position on the Russian threat is understandable. His message to NATO members regarding the PKK is also clear. What will be the result of this chess game?
1. I agree with our readers (commentators) - a coup in Turkey, a change of the ruling "regime". What is the probability of an attempt - high, what is the probability of a successful coup - low. Nevertheless, Erdogan perfectly understands what game he is playing and what it threatens; accordingly, intelligence is working in an enhanced mode, and also counts on help from temporary allies - Russia, I hope Putin understands this.
2. Turkey's withdrawal from NATO is an unlikely situation. It is easy to enter the alliance, but not possible to leave, this is the situation when - "entrance is free" - "exit for money", but no one will demand money from Turkey, they will not be released. There is no need to count on Turkey's exclusion from NATO, in reality it is easier to replace Erdogan than to exclude the country from the alliance.
3. Discord, confusion and vacillation in the alliance is a very likely scenario. Moreover, this option would be most favorable for Russia. The transformation of a once powerful, highly organized and rather dangerous association, NATO, into an amorphous structure in which everyone "pulls the blanket over himself," such a Krylovsky QUARTET, is the best option for a large but lonely neighbor. Today Turkey is revolting, tomorrow against this background Greece will declare its position, Cyprus is there. And not today - tomorrow, you and I, we will observe how at the General Assembly, or as they call the NATO congress, they will pour water over each other from a glass, give flowers and carry them away from the podium, taking them for causal places.

Z.Y. think for yourself, decide for yourself which option is most favorable and probable, place bets - gentlemen)

[akunin]

Turkey refused to send its soldiers "to protect" the Baltic states and Poland from the "Russian threat"

this is why most Turks love Erdogan despite the worsening economic situation.

[NBV]

Turkey is trying to create the image of an unsystematic player in NATO. The effect of this attempt to blackmail partners will be counterproductive and cause a boomerang effect.

[faterdom]

Damn, Turkey does not want to defend Estonia ??? Grandmothers, why is this done? Who did you leave us for ???

[tolmachiev51]

- "Turkey notes that NATO talks about ephemeral and far-fetched threats at a time when individual members of the alliance are faced with real threats. Here Ankara means itself and the threats against itself from the armed wing of the Kurdistan Workers' Party" - in This is the essence of the alliance and this despite the fact that there has not yet been hostilities. The first. Under various pretexts, the Americans will "disappear", show-off is one thing and the "200" cargo is quite another.