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In Poland, they offer to study flights on MiGs with Ukrainians


On November 25, a decision was announced to return to service the Polish MiG-29 fighters. However, it was adopted too late, since the fleet of these machines was completely disabled. Therefore, the resumption of flights on them is a difficult task.

As pointed out by the Polish edition of Defense24 with reference to the military leadership, at best it will be possible to take the MiG-29 into the air in May or June of next year. However, downtime is able to cause pilots to lose piloting skills.

According to the adopted standards, the maximum period allowed in this case is five months, and then it applies only to experienced aviators. At the same time, flights on MiGs have not been carried out for nine months, after the March disaster.

In this regard, retired general Jan Rajchel suggests ways out of the crisis. First, you need to deploy training on simulators. Secondly, start flying only in conjunction with experienced instructors. You can also contact foreign partners - Ukrainians who fly on the MiG-29.

However, some pilots are already retraining for the F-16 countries that are in service with the Air Force. That means training new pilots will be required, and it may take years. Under these conditions, the situation around the MiGs looks rather problematic, the general believes.
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  1. poquello
    poquello 25 November 2019 23: 36
    it’s clear why the old Europe was terrified by novos, the USA wanted to fight and the East European sixes took the visor
    1. Alexander Petrov1
      Alexander Petrov1 26 November 2019 02: 57
      NATO countries have already gotten with their whining about the hereditary Soviet weapons, so take and sell your Soviet planes on the World market and buy NATO on credit, you just need a few billion dollars, so the poor Poland and other countries in Eastern Europe all live on credit .
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 25 November 2019 23: 51
    In Poland, they offer to study flights on MiGs with Ukrainians

    Do not be fooled, Poles, on such offers!
    They will teach you bad!
  3. Proton
    Proton 25 November 2019 23: 53
    The Poles think that if the states with a nuclear club and NATO can be barked, well, in the 39 m, the British and French were also behind, and then they showed a shish wassat
  4. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 26 November 2019 00: 08
    What was the name of that Amer’s regiment of which the Ukrainians decided to ride on the dryer.? God bless him ..
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 26 November 2019 00: 29
      Seth Nering, Lieutenant Colonel of the 194th Squadron of the California Air National Guard (callsign "Jethro")
  5. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 26 November 2019 00: 08
    Poland switched to NATO standards for a long time. What is the problem of the Polish Air Force? - Poles gathered for war before the end of the year? Question: Ukrainian pilots themselves fly on the MiG-29? - or just study the theory? Question about fuels and lubricants, motor resources, etc. etc. ...
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 26 November 2019 07: 01
      Fly. My father lives 30 kilometers away and from Vasilkov. The town, on the outskirts of which is located one of the most powerful airdromes of the air force of dill.
      He says that they began to fly very often. Day and night.
      1. NKT
        NKT 26 November 2019 08: 59
        There they had a training center and an air unit, and before that there was 146 guards and air defense, covered Kiev.
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 26 November 2019 12: 16
        "... they began to fly very often. Both day and night." Preparing for state examiners?
  6. boriz
    boriz 26 November 2019 00: 17
    The American has already studied, I remember ...
  7. Prisoner
    Prisoner 26 November 2019 00: 25
    It seems that for the time being they will lead to a normal battle, more than one apparatus will surely be destroyed.
  8. Tusv
    Tusv 26 November 2019 01: 06
    Why not? With all the hi-han and hah-han, Ukraine is more advanced than Poland. Even being the most niche country in Europe, it’s easy to make Poland. IMHO
  9. abc_alex
    abc_alex 26 November 2019 01: 25
    I did not understand, why did the Poles return MiGs to the system if they decided to replace them with F-16s and Lightings? Then it’s more logical to immediately retrain pilots from the US.
    1. bukhach
      bukhach 26 November 2019 01: 53
      Really absurd.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 26 November 2019 07: 04
      Most likely the result is "failure". Lights are coming in, but not yet ready for full-fledged combat duty. Well, setting up the infrastructure there and so on. So the "window" is being blocked. I think they will take it for several years until the balance is restored.
      1. kit88
        kit88 26 November 2019 08: 24
        Lightings (the first batch) will be only in 2026.
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 26 November 2019 10: 22
          In the twenty-sixth year? And why did they fool so hasty to write off the instant-29? Maybe this completion of the delivery is something very long? Where did they write about this?
          1. kit88
            kit88 26 November 2019 11: 27
            ... At the MSPO-2019 defense exhibition held in early September in Kielce, Poland, Vice President of Lockheed Martin Corporation and CEO of the F-35 program, Greg Ulmer, said that Poland could get the first four F-35A Block 4 fighters from the 16- the first production series (Lot 16) in 2024, and that these first four planes will be used to train Polish flight and technical personnel in the United States, probably at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona. The delivery of the entire full first F-35A squadron (16 aircraft) in this case will be completed in 2026. A second squadron of 16 aircraft will be delivered by 2030 ..
      2. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 26 November 2019 17: 07
        But it seems to me everything is easier: the Poles will try to "blow" the 29th to the same Balts: buy and rejoice. To the Poles, they by and large "do not sew a mare's tail", and help Soyuznichkam for grandmothers are always welcome All here are already tired of "patrolling the airspace of the Baltic states" for a long time, the Balts themselves are proud as penguins - until you kick and fly. And so they can create at least some kind of infrastructure. In principle, it fits into the plan of the overseas uncle - all by someone else's hands.
      3. abc_alex
        abc_alex 27 November 2019 01: 05
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        I think they are taking it for several years until the balance is restored.

        So it’s easier to negotiate with the United States and temporarily, for a couple of years, send leychiks to practice overseas. Let them fly there on the same F-16.
    3. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 26 November 2019 07: 48
      The F16 was replaced in the Polish Air Force by the Su-22, and the F35 should have been replaced in the coming years. As for Ukraine, according to some information, there was one or two combat training moment 29 in flight condition. If the Poles also sit on these poor cars or cars, then Ukraine risks being left without moment 29 altogether, since pilots will have no training. I don’t quite understand why such an urgency with the return of instant 29 to the system if supplies of f35 begin soon.
  10. nikvic46
    nikvic46 26 November 2019 05: 49
    The plane is quite good. Previously, these planes were in Germany. "In MiG-29 I am calm at home in front of the TV" - the response of the German pilot.
  11. Monar
    Monar 26 November 2019 06: 50
    Well, the logic is not at all clear. Considering how old these planes are. Given consumables, spare parts.
    But that is their problem. Teachers are another matter. Just wondering, how often do pilots fly in Ukraine?
    And, from personal experience, even a good specialist is not automatically a good teacher or mentor. The problem immediately increases tenfold.
  12. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 26 November 2019 07: 38
    Interesting thing, Migi should have been replaced by f35. After all, they will begin to arrive in Poland in the near future. What a rush? Why is it so urgent to return the old twinks?
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    2. n0001
      n0001 26 November 2019 15: 57
      F 35 was originally intended for Turkey. Can now get earlier
  13. Maxim364364
    Maxim364364 26 November 2019 08: 54
    An excellent conditionally light fighter. In the case of the "big armageddian", he does not particularly need the range, it will contribute to the thinning of operational, tactical, and maybe ballistic missiles launched at our positions.
  14. Vladimir Anatolyevich
    Vladimir Anatolyevich 26 November 2019 09: 05
    Of course they fly when they throw it on a shovel!
  15. iouris
    iouris 26 November 2019 12: 27
    Poland is not yet ready for a big war.
  16. NF68
    NF68 26 November 2019 20: 08
    Everything is correct. In 2014, the DPR and LPR taught the pilots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine how and where to "fly" correctly. Since the Poles want to learn the same, then let them dare.
  17. zenitovets
    zenitovets 28 November 2019 21: 42
    You better practice long-distance running - as soon as the United States gets bogged down in a serious local war (for example, with Iran or Korea), it will come in handy for you. We didn’t forget anything, how did you open your mouth to our Kaliningrad. If you want someone else, you will lose yours (law life)