Who freed Prague

Who freed Prague

Red Army soldiers and Czech rebels ride armored self-propelled guns SU-76M along the Vltava embankment in Prague


Genuine distortion information campaign stories World War II in Europe is gaining momentum. In Prague, where they recently decided to remove the monument to Marshal Konev, they offered to erect a monument to the traitor general Vlasov and his associates in the ROA, who fought on the side of the Third Reich.

In general, everything is logical. The Western world, Europe and the capitalist system (which has become global), the neoliberal ideology in crisis. The Western world emerges from the crisis through wars. And before that, nationalist, authoritarian and fascist regimes come to power. It is not surprising that before this there is a campaign to distort the true history, the blackening of the Red Army, which liberated Europe from Nazism and fascism. Rehabilitation of the Nazis and their hangers-on, traitors, collaborators. Creating the image of the enemy - Russian and Communists. Stalin was equated to Hitler, the USSR to the Third Reich. Moreover, they have already agreed to the point that Hitler defended Europe from the invasion of communism. Further Europe, which is being covered by a new wave of global crisis, is waiting for a new flourishing of Nazism and fascism, the disintegration of the old nation-states into nationalist regimes (in particular, Catalonia is being separated in Spain, the Basque Country and Galicia are next in line). And all this in the face of increasing migration pressure from the global South, riots of migrants and Muslims in southern Europe. Perhaps we will see the “Fourth Reich” based on Germany and France.

What is going on in Prague


Earlier in the Czech Republic and Prague, several actions were taken against the Soviet soldiers-liberators. In particular, the monument to the commander of the 1 Ukrainian Front, whose troops took part in the Prague operation, Marshal Ivan Konev, was desecrated. This monument was inaugurated in the largest district of the Czechoslovak capital Prague 6 in 1980 as a historical reminder of the merits of the Soviet commander of the Red Army. After the collapse of the USSR and the social bloc, Soviet monuments were repeatedly defeated by hooligans. So Konev was accused of participating in the suppression of the Hungarian uprising in the 1956 year and preparing the suppression of the "Prague Spring" in the 1968 year.

In September 2019, local authorities decided (War with history. In Prague, intend to move a monument to Marshal Konev) move the monument to the museum, and in its place create a monument to the "liberators of Prague." Like, by the time the Red Army arrived in Prague, Czech rebels and fighters of the Russian Liberation Army had already liberated it, three days ahead of the Soviet troops and the Germans had almost surrendered.

Monument to the Vlasovites proposes to put the headman of the Prague region Rzhepory Pavel Novotny. He became famous as a member of the Civil Democratic Party, journalist and politician, known for his populism and anti-communism. The idea to glorify Russian collaborators and “annoy the Communists” was presented to the elder by his party colleague, founder of the Institute for the Study of Totalitarian Regimes, historian Pavel Zhachek. He noted that Vlasov and his closest associate, the commander of the 1 division of the ROA, Sergei Bunyachenko stayed in Rzhepory (at that time it was a separate city, which later became part of Prague), and on the night of 6 on 7 on May 1945 of the year they discussed the plan there operations to liberate Prague from the Nazis. As a result, the Vlasovites were three days ahead of the Soviet army in Prague and helped the Czech rebels, who launched the uprising of May 5 on May 1945. They want to erect a monument to the Vlasov people already in 2020.

Who made Vlasov the "liberator of Prague"


The myth that Prague in May 1945 was not liberated by the Red Army, but by the Russian Liberation Army, was not invented by the Czechs themselves. Its founder can be considered the well-known anti-Soviet, a favorite of the West and the Russian "democracy" Alexander Solzhenitsyn. He worked hard on the field of creating anti-Soviet myths. Among his fabrications is the concept of “saving Prague” by Russian collaborators.

So, in the work “The Gulag Archipelago” it is written:
“By the end of April, Vlasov gathered his two and a half divisions near Prague. Then it turned out that General Steiner of Esses was preparing to destroy the Czech capital, in general, not giving it away. And Vlasov ordered his divisions to go over to the side of the rebelled Czechs. And all the insult, bitterness, anger that the bonded Russian breasts have accumulated on the Germans for these cruel and stupid three years, have now been released in an attack on the Germans: from an unexpected direction they were kicked out of Prague. (Did all Czechs figure it out later, [[which]] did the Russians save the city for them? Our history is distorted, and they say that Soviet troops saved Prague, although they could not have time) ”.


A professional creator of black myths about the USSR considered Vlasov and his comrades-in-arms to be sincere Russian patriots who sought to free Russia from the "bloody" Stalinist, communist regime. These words of Solzhenitsyn about the Vlasovites did not fall into the version of the Archipelago edited for Russian schools.

Prague Uprising and ROA


By early May 1945, Soviet and American troops approaching the borders of the protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia inspired the Czechs to revolt. Previously, there were no major anti-German demonstrations in the protectorate, the Czechs worked quietly, and strengthened the power of the Third Reich. On May 4 in Prague, the Czech government of the protectorate, led by President Emil Gaha, concluded negotiations with the Czech National Council on the transfer of power that began on April 29. The Council, led by Ph.D. Albert Prazhak, was to hold general elections in the post-war government. The Czech government issued a decree abolishing the official German language. On the night of May 1945 in Prague, it became known that the Russians had taken Berlin. In the morning, Prime Minister Richard Binert broadcast a statement on the elimination of the protectorate and the start of a general uprising on the radio. He called on Czech troops and police to join the rebels, and the German troops capitulate.

The uprising was led by General Karel Kutlvashr. The rebels (up to 30 thousand people), taking advantage of the weakness of the German garrison, captured a number of important objects. However, it was impossible to count on victory, only in the vicinity of Prague there were up to 40 thousand Germans. Therefore, the leaders of the rebels began negotiations with the SS Obergruppenführer Karl Frank and the Prague commandant General Rudolf Tussynt, without insisting on the immediate surrender of the Nazis. The rebels wanted to drag out the time for the approach of the Americans, not knowing the agreement of the Allies on the anti-Hitler coalition (Soviet troops were supposed to free Prague).

The city was an important communications hub for the retreating forces of the German Army Group Center. The German command planned to defend themselves in Czechoslovakia as long as possible, turn Prague into a "second Berlin" and try to exploit the differences between the allies in the anti-Hitler coalition. Therefore, the Nazis introduced additional forces into the city to suppress the rebellion. The rebellion was doomed. The Czech National Council appealed for help to the 1 Division (18 thousand soldiers) located near Prague, led by Major General Bunyachenko. The division was also the commander of the ROA, Lieutenant General Vlasov.

The Russian liberation army at that time, in fact, was at the formation stage. Her leadership was well aware that the Third Reich was defeated and planned to surrender to the Western Allies, in order to continue the struggle against communism, but with a different supreme command. The 1-I division arbitrarily left behind, and Vlasov tried on the one hand to negotiate with the Germans (they themselves were in no hurry to engage in battle with desperate collaborators), on the other, he wanted to go as far west as possible to surrender to the Americans. ROA commander refused the Czechs. He did not see the point in this adventure. General Bunyachenko, by contrast, ordered his soldiers to support the uprising. He hoped that helping the Czechs would strengthen his negotiating position. Vlasov did not interfere, and did not take any part in the events in Prague.

On May 6 1945 there were up to 2 thousand barricades on the streets of Prague. The rebels, having mostly only small arms, suffered heavy losses. The Nazis broke into the city center, captured the town hall and bridges across the Vltava. The Vlasov division had a relatively good fighting efficiency, in addition, the Russian soldiers were eager to smash the Germans. Bunyachenko’s division occupied the airfield in Ruzin, where the Luftwaffe bombers were located, ready to bomb the city, as well as the Smichov district of Prague, taking control of two bridges across the Vltava. On the same day, the Soviet troops launched the offensive of the 1-th Ukrainian Front under the command of Konev launched an offensive from Saxony to Prague.

On 7 in May, ROA fighters broke into the center of Prague and split up the German group on the left bank of the Vltava, and also took Mount Petršin and the Kulišovice area. Vlasovites captured thousands of Germans before 10. However, the Vlasovites could not liberate the entire city with their limited forces. As the new units of the retreating German army group approached the city, the 1-I division was doomed to defeat. On the same day, it became clear to the Czechs that the Americans would not come to Prague. For political reasons, fearing a negative reaction of the Allies to an alliance with collaborators, the Czech National Council broke the alliance with the Vlasovites. On the night of 7 on 8 in May, all units of the 1 Division left their positions in Prague and went west. Moreover, they fled with the Germans, with whom they fought for two days.


Soviet tank T-34 is fighting in Prague


Prague liberated by the Red Army


On May 8, upon learning of the Reich surrender, signed in Reims, the commander of the German Army Group Center, Field Marshal Ferdinand Schörner ordered the troops to leave Prague and move to the American zone. The Nazis entered into negotiations with the Czechs, and the rebels did not interfere with the withdrawal of the Wehrmacht to the west. German troops remained in Prague, who did not manage to leave to the west and some parts of the SS who refused to surrender and continued to resist. In the morning of 9 on May 1945, units of the Red Army entered the city and liberated Prague, suppressing the last centers of resistance of German troops. In the vicinity of the Czech capital, the Nazis finished off and disarmed a few more days.

Thus, it is obvious that Prague was liberated by Soviet troops. By 9 on May 1945, there were still German troops in the city, they were resisting. The Prague uprising, with or without Vlasov’s support, was doomed to defeat. The situation could be changed only by the exit to the city of American or Soviet troops. The Germans had an overwhelming advantage over Czech rebels and Vlasovites, and they would easily have turned the city into smoking ruins if the resistance continued and they were not allowed to go west. The commander of the ROA, General Vlasov, did not take any part in the events in Prague, and was opposed to helping Czech rebels. That is, a monument to him as the “liberator of Prague” is obvious stupidity. The 1th division of Bunyachenko did indeed take part in the battles in Prague for two days, but in principle could not achieve victory over the Nazis. Having not received guarantees from the Czech leadership, the Vlasovites left the city in which the fighting continued. The Germans could finish off the Czech rebels, but did not have time to do this, because they were in a hurry to go west to surrender to the Americans, and were afraid of the advancing Red Army. The city was liberated from the Nazis by Soviet troops.

The results of the Prague strategic offensive operation speak for themselves: during the swift offensive of the 1st, 4th and 2nd Ukrainian fronts, a powerful group of enemy troops was destroyed, which continued to resist after the fall of Berlin. 40 thousand were killed and wounded, 860 thousand Nazi soldiers and officers, including 60 generals, were captured. 9500 guns and mortars were captured as trophies, 1800 tanks and assault guns, about 1100 aircraft. Freed from the German occupation of Czechoslovakia and its capital, Prague.

Obviously, the story of the “Vlasov-liberators” is part of a campaign to denigrate the exploits of Soviet soldiers, the Red Army and the USSR in liberating Europe from Nazism. The rehabilitation of collaborators takes place, then the turn comes of Nazism and fascism. This operation has already been carried out in the Baltic states, in Ukraine. The history of the Second World War and the Great Patriotic War is rewritten in the interests of the West, those forces that were the organizers of the world war.


Residents of Prague welcome Marshal I.S. Konev, commander of the 1 m Ukrainian Front, whose troops liberated Prague from German troops 9-12 on May 1945. Photo source: http://waralbum.ru
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  1. rocket757 26 November 2019 05: 14 New
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    Strong does not need to distort everything so much .... from lies neither stronger nor beautiful will NEVER!
    If you undertook so dirty and scary to distort the most sacred, then ...... there is nothing sacred for this Mr - A - zi, and she "flows" to the end, leaving dirty tricks behind her!
    1. Same lech 26 November 2019 05: 37 New
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      We must fight for Truth ... otherwise we will someday be told that the Americans took Berlin in 1945.
      Today he fought in Rambler on such an article with Russophobia ... banned the unclean when he pinned them to the wall.
      They are ready to elevate the traitor Vlasov to the rank of saints for the struggle against communism ... all the books of another traitor Suvorov cite ... the liars as evidence.
      1. rocket757 26 November 2019 06: 43 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        We must fight for the Truth.

        It is also necessary to fight in the information field, in the School and in general Everywhere ... unite, create a community of like-minded people and go!
        I doubt that this will lead to serious changes in our lives as such, but .....
      2. parusnik 26 November 2019 07: 03 New
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        They are ready to elevate the traitor Vlasov to the rank of saints for the struggle against communism.
        ... Solzhenitsyn was elevated to saints. The Gulag archipelago became the "holy book" ....
        1. novel66 26 November 2019 07: 45 New
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          it's a shame it's time to debunk as much as you can already
          1. NEXUS 26 November 2019 22: 28 New
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            Quote: novel xnumx
            it's a shame it's time to debunk as much as you can already

            There are such memoirs in the YouTube sea ...

            This is not Soviet propaganda, but the words of the soldiers and officers of the Reich on the Eastern Front.
        2. DukeP 26 November 2019 17: 35 New
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          Solzhenitsyn brought all the Soviet dirt to clean water!
          1. mister-red 26 November 2019 21: 47 New
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            You can’t lie someone out into the open.
      3. Octopus 26 November 2019 07: 44 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        We must fight for Truth ... otherwise we will someday be told that the Americans took Berlin in 1945.

        I’m not sure that in this particular case it is necessary to fight for it. Now in the West, as far as I can tell, the dominant position is "let's not remember the unpleasant." If suddenly someone remembers the Truth - many questions will appear.
        For example.
        On May 8, learning about the surrender of the Reich, signed at Reims ... On the morning of May 9, 1945, units of the Red Army entered the city and liberated Prague,


        Who and from whom frees foreign cities in peacetime? What is this topic at all?

        not knowing the agreement of the allies


        How does this agreement differ from other agreements with partially the same parties, 38 and 39?

        Quote: The same Lech
        otherwise, someday they will tell us that the Americans took Berlin in 1945.

        It is dangerous not if someone tells you that they took it, but if someone starts to understand why they did NOT take it.
        1. Alexander Suvorov 26 November 2019 08: 24 New
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          Octopus
          Who and from whom frees foreign cities in peacetime? What is this topic at all?
          How about your brain? What is the "peace time" in FIG? The fact that the Reich capitulated in Berlin does not mean that the troops of the Wehrmacht and the SS obeyed everywhere.
          After May 9, many more of our soldiers died, and you ... "peace time".
          1. Octopus 26 November 2019 08: 44 New
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            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            Berlin, does not mean that the troops of the Wehrmacht and the SS obeyed everywhere.

            So what? Would you partisan in the forests until the year 74, like Onoda and Nakamura? It seems that the article clearly says that the underestimated SS people were mostly dumped in the western zone. Who is it bothering?
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            After May 9, many more of our soldiers died, and you ... "peace time".

            Not after the 9th, but after the 7th. And with whom they fought, do not tell? If not difficult, on the example of the Bornholm landing on May 12?
            1. Alexander Suvorov 26 November 2019 08: 51 New
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              Octopus
              So what? Would you partisan in the forests until the year 74, like Onoda and Nakamura? It seems that the article clearly says that the underestimated SS people were mostly dumped in the western zone. Who is it bothering?
              And you do not know WHY they fell towards the Americans?
              Maybe because they committed so many atrocities on our land that they knew very well that there would be no mercy from ours? And what, ours should have just taken them and let them go so that later they, but already under the wing of the Americans, fought against us?
              You obviously have problems with your head!
              1. Octopus 26 November 2019 08: 59 New
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                Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                that ours should have just taken them and let them go,

                And what, ours has not died enough? Still need to fight at least a week? What difference does it make to you how much died on that side?
                Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                so that later they, but already under the wing of the Americans fought against us?

                I note that the Americans of the 45th year did not like the Germans. In particular, let me remind you, they handed over SMERSH in large quantities. Googling Hartmann. The new reality reached the Americans much later, especially to Eisenhower.

                By the way, I’m still interested in Bornholm.
                1. Alexander Suvorov 26 November 2019 09: 35 New
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                  Octopus
                  I note that the Americans of the 45th year did not like the Germans.

                  All clear, fool not smart to teach, only to spoil ...!
                  1. Octopus 26 November 2019 09: 58 New
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                    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                    not smart to teach, only to spoil ...!

                    Self-critical.

                    And so, you have difficulties on two issues:
                    1. For what purpose did the USSR liberate the territory of Denmark from May 12, 45th year to April 5th, 46th year.
                    2. For what purpose did the Americans give the USSR the best German fighter pilot.

                    The question of why the Americans handed over to the USSR Prague and Berlin (Berlin 50/50 military reasons and politics, Prague 100% politics). You, apparently, are not ready to discuss categorically.
                    1. Alexander Suvorov 26 November 2019 10: 16 New
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                      Octopus
                      The question of why the Americans handed over to the USSR Prague and Berlin (Berlin 50/50 military reasons and politics, Prague 100% politics). You, apparently, are not ready to discuss categorically.
                      With you, I generally do not have the slightest desire to discuss anything, because I know in advance that you will scam me here. Another stroller. Boring and not interesting ...
                    2. mister-red 26 November 2019 21: 49 New
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                      why did the Americans give the USSR Prague and Berlin

                      Not once - did the Americans transfer Berlin to the USSR ?! Can be more?
                      1. Octopus 26 November 2019 23: 59 New
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                        Quote: mister-red
                        Can be more?

                        What interests you?

                        Try to add a small detail to your picture of the world. On the afternoon of April 25, parts 1 of the Baltic Fleet and 1 UV united at the Havel River in the Kecin area, between Brandenburg and Potsdam, ending the encirclement of Berlin. By that time, the Americans were several hours away from this place, on the east coast of the Elbe, a bridgehead near Magdeburg, the second week, in the amount of two buildings. The Truman Bridge over the Elbe was built on April 13. Let me remind you that the American division of the 45th year is one or two Soviet corps of the same year in numbers.

                        Who prevented them from attacking Potsdam and frustrating the Berlin Offensive operation? Notice, I do not ask who prevented the Americans from taking Berlin (although they were the same people), I ask who prevented from disrupting his circle of the Red Army.

                        Wreath?
                      2. certero 27 November 2019 02: 30 New
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                        To attack with one division is to disrupt the Berlin offensive operation?
                        Do not attack - it means to give Berlin?
                        This is how alternative logic is used in the West periodically.
                      3. Octopus 27 November 2019 03: 39 New
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                        Quote: certero
                        Attack with one division

                        There were 2 buildings. The 17th Corps, for example, is 120 thousand people, 1-2 armies by the standards of the Red Army of the 45th year.
                        Quote: certero
                        to disrupt the Berlin offensive operation?

                        How are you going to surround Berlin with the Americans in Potsdam? Will you beat a German in your forehead? The whole plan to hell, but there is no time - they, the bastards, will agree with the same Henrica on the surrender of GA Wisla in general for one or two.

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                        Berlin 50/50 military reasons and politics

                        Two buildings are not enough, April 13 is too late. The last ghostly chance was lost on March 25, when Patton's 3A went to Kassel to secure the Ruhr Cauldron. If instead they would have broken down the notorious Fulda corridor to Leipzig and further to Berlin, there could still be some chances. But, of course, these are already tears (and Patton would have been more useful elsewhere), Berlin was missed by a series of fakaps of Eisenhower and Montgomery from the beginning of autumn 44 to spring 45. According to the autumn plans for Berlin, d. go 21 Montgomery GA from Lübeck, but he delved too long at the Rhine and barely managed to cut Denmark off from 2 Rokossovsky bfs.
        2. Doliva63 26 November 2019 21: 44 New
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          Quote: Octopus
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          Berlin, does not mean that the troops of the Wehrmacht and the SS obeyed everywhere.

          So what? Would you partisan in the forests until the year 74, like Onoda and Nakamura? It seems that the article clearly says that the underestimated SS people were mostly dumped in the western zone. Who is it bothering?
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          After May 9, many more of our soldiers died, and you ... "peace time".

          Not after the 9th, but after the 7th. And with whom they fought, do not tell? If not difficult, on the example of the Bornholm landing on May 12?

          My father in the platoon, the last dead from the filthy hands of filthy fascists was at the end of May.
          And at the expense of "partisan up to 74" - utter stupidity. Are you from the victims of the exam, probably?
          Father took Prague twice. At 68, he was just doing the task. It was already a bell that nobody idolized especially. So the Union pumped up in the end. And 45m did everything right.
          1. Octopus 26 November 2019 23: 29 New
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            Quote: Doliva63
            "partisan up to 74" - utter stupidity

            Somehow you speak badly of war heroes. Hiroo Onoda and Teruo Nakamura just fought until the 74th year, in the Philippines and Indonesia, respectively. When they were caught, they received full respect from the Japanese authorities, a living monument to the samurai spirit. I, too, although I understand with my mind that their partisanism brought a lot of grief to the innocent locals, but still I goof off with them. What obstinacy people lived near us! Onoda died in 2014
            Quote: Doliva63
            And 45m did everything right.

            And I do not argue that they did everything right, from the point of view of Comrade Stalin. It amuses me that the reasons for Stalin for some reason cannot be called directly. They come up with some kind of game for some reason.
    2. Serg koma 26 November 2019 09: 56 New
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      Quote: Octopus
      On May 8, learning about the surrender of the Reich, signed at Reims ... On the morning of May 9, 1945, units of the Red Army entered the city and liberated Prague,


      What is this topic at all?


      At least take a look at Wick about “surrender”, for example, in Courland
      Separate hostilities ceased only after May 23, 1945, much later than the official surrender of Germany.

      Do not trifle "Kolya from Urengoy" - leave everyone with weapons ...
      He didn’t lay down his arms, so he didn’t accept surrender - an axiom.
      Are you familiar with the phrase “Prague Offensive Operation”?
      And for reference:
      The medal "For the Liberation of Prague", awarded 390 thousand people, including more than 40 thousand citizens of Czechoslovakia.
      The losses of the Soviet troops during the Prague operation amounted to:
      Personnel
      11,997 non-returnable
      40,501 injured and sick
      Total 52,498
      Material losses
      373 tanks and ACS
      1,006 Gunnery
      80 aircraft
      On the afternoon of May 7, the commander of the Army Group Center received the order from Field Marshal V. Keitel on the surrender of German troops on all fronts by radio, but did not bring it to his subordinates. On the contrary, he gave his orders to the troops, in which he stated that rumors of surrender were false, they were spread by Anglo-American and Soviet propaganda. Sherner assured the troops that "the war against the Soviet Union will continue."

      On May 8, the Nazi troops received an appeal from the Soviet command demanding their unconditional surrender and it was proposed to lay down their arms by 23 o’clock.

      With the active support of the population and rebel fighting squads, Soviet troops cleared Prague of the Nazis on May 9. The ways of the possible withdrawal of the main forces of Army Group Center to the west and southwest with the capture of Prague by Soviet troops were cut off. Outside of the encirclement were only a few German divisions that were on the flanks of the group and cut off from its main forces. On May 10, the Supreme Command ordered the fronts to develop an offensive to the west in order to unite with the allies. On the same day, the troops of the 1st Ukrainian Front came into contact with the Americans on the Chemnitz, Rokitsani line. On May 11, Soviet units occupied a ledge south of Rokitsani. Left-flank formations of the 2nd Ukrainian Front reached the Ceske Budejovice area, where they also met with allied forces. The main forces of Army Group Center were in the "bag" east of Prague.

      main the forces of Army Group Center surrendered on May 10-11.

      During the Prague operation, about 860 thousand enemy soldiers and officers and 35 generals were captured, 9,5 thousand guns and mortars, 1,8 thousand tanks and assault guns, 1,1 thousand aircraft, as well as large the amount of other weapons and military equipment.
      1. Octopus 26 November 2019 10: 09 New
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        1. Why did you switch from Prague to Courland?
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        Quote: Serg Koma
        The losses of the Soviet troops during the Prague operation amounted to:
        Personnel
        11,997 non-returnable
        40,501 injured and sick
        Total 52,498

        Why did these people die? What is the purpose of the operation? Catch SSovtsev in the woods?
        1. begemot20091 26 November 2019 12: 04 New
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          Today is a day off in a madhouse?
          1. Octopus 26 November 2019 12: 29 New
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            Quote: begemot20091
            Today is a day off in a madhouse?

            I don’t know, I thought you were in the know.

            Want to play too?
        2. Serg koma 26 November 2019 14: 04 New
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          Quote: Octopus
          Why did you switch from Prague to Courland?

          And if you think?
          Are you reading selectively?
          Quote: Serg Koma
          He didn’t lay down his arms, so he didn’t accept surrender - axiom.
          1. Octopus 26 November 2019 14: 29 New
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            Quote: Serg Koma
            He didn’t lay down his arms, so he didn’t accept surrender - an axiom.

            Again. For some reason, you worry about the Germans. But I’m not worried at all.

            The article fairly fairly states that there was no organized resistance in May. On May 5, Friedeburg arrives in Reims for surrender, on the 6th the Prague operation began, at 2am on the 7th Jodl signs the surrender. So what prevented the 1-2-3 UV from simply releasing the former enemy where he needed it much? He, it seems, did not run to the USSR, burn villages again? Defending what exactly 12 thousand people died in a week, almost Afghanistan?
            1. Serg koma 26 November 2019 14: 33 New
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              Quote: Octopus
              Again.

              Quote: Serg Koma
              Are you reading selectively?

              Quote: Serg Koma
              On May 8, the Nazi troops received an appeal from the Soviet command demanding their unconditional surrender and it was proposed to lay down their arms by 23 o’clock.

              Quote: Serg Koma
              The main forces of Army Group Center surrendered on May 10–11.

              Once again - be careful.
              1. Octopus 26 November 2019 15: 21 New
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                Apparently, a very unusual idea.
                Quote: Serg Koma
                He didn’t lay down his arms, so he didn’t accept surrender - an axiom.

                This is the answer to the question. why the Nazis were killed in peacetime, i.e. after May 7th. I did not ask this question.

                The question was the opposite. 12 thousand conditionally dead soldier of the red army in the Prague operation. What exactly did they give their lives for? For the liberation of the USSR from Nazi invaders? So they released a year ago. For victory? So they won already.

                Try to state what the purpose of the Prague operation was. Without templates, such as "liberation from the Nazis." If the Nazis were in Prague for another month, maybe someone would die from it, but they would not be soldiers of the Red Army.
                1. Serg koma 26 November 2019 19: 36 New
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                  Quote: Octopus
                  but they would not be soldiers of the Red Army.

                  Heard already - an old song. Hand over Leningrad; Only liberate the territory of the USSR; Surrender (life is more expensive), etc. etc.
                  My grandfather ended the Great Patriotic War in Prague!
                  1. Octopus 26 November 2019 21: 10 New
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                    Quote: Serg Koma
                    Heard already - an old song

                    What strange things you are listening to.
                    Quote: Serg Koma
                    Hand over Leningrad;

                    Leningrad, unlike Prague, is a Soviet city, Soviet people lived there. So surrendering it to the Nazis is not the same as surrendering some Oslo, where the Nazis sat at their stove until the fall of the 45th, because everyone had no time for Oslo and not for the Nazis. You did not know this, but now you know.
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                    Only liberate the territory of the USSR

                    The idea is good, but there were reasonable doubts about the prospects for peaceful coexistence with his Excellency the Fuhrer of the German nation. So here if there are any questions, then not to the Soviet side.
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                    My grandfather ended the Great Patriotic War in Prague!

                    An interesting detail of his biography.

                    It is difficult for you to formulate a thesis specifically on the Prague operation, which you are ready to defend yourself, without grandfather, Leningrad and other lyrics, is not it?
                  2. Serg koma 28 November 2019 16: 08 New
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                    Do you bring to the "occupation"? - so you’re not here, but on Rybert, there you will be warmly received and the pluses will be instructed
                    Once again, maybe
                    Quote: Serg Koma
                    On May 8, the Nazi troops received an appeal from the Soviet command demanding their unconditional surrender

                    Quote: Serg Koma
                    He didn’t lay down his arms, so he didn’t accept surrender

                    "Our cause is just, the enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours"- Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR V. M. Molotov, June 22, 1941
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                    Do you bring to the "occupation"? - so not to you, but to Rybert

                    Closer to the point, but not only. Explains why the Red Army was chasing the Nazis through the forests, but does not explain why it was necessary to "pursue" if they themselves fled. Urgency was caused by another.

                    I’ll ask you about Rybert, thanks. Never heard. On the other hand, I’m not particularly concerned about the pros.

                    Quote: Serg Koma
                    He didn’t lay down his arms, so he didn’t accept surrender

                    On this, apparently, your thought stopped. Schörner did not accept surrender, so what? What kind of USSR is interest in Schörner, with Schörner, or something, fought all this time?
    3. Valerikk 26 November 2019 21: 44 New
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      What is the purpose of the operation?

      Crush the fascist reptile. Everywhere you can reach it.
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        Crush the fascist reptile. Everywhere you can reach it.

        So they didn’t ask yet, on TV they say. What other goals do you propose?
        1. Valerikk 27 November 2019 11: 41 New
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          What other goals do you propose?

          I tell you that the seller in the market to offer something? The liberation of Prague is the same military operation as all the others carried out by the Red Army during the Great Patriotic War.
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            Quote: Valerikk
            The liberation of Prague is the same military operation as all the others carried out by the Red Army during the Great Patriotic War.

            No.

            Prague, Courland, some little things - were not implemented / ended during, after completion of the Second World War. In parallel, the Allies resolved similar issues in the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, and German garrisons in the Atlantic and the Mediterranean Sea. How many divisions did they lose? They are worse, they say, knew how to fight?
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              Prague, Courland, some little things - were carried out / completed not during, but after the end of the Second World War.

              No after the end of the Second World War, and after the surrender of Germany. Don't you find that these events do not match?
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                after the Second World War, and after the surrender of Germany

                As far as I am familiar with the Soviet understanding of this issue, they coincide.
    4. mister-red 26 November 2019 21: 52 New
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      Why did these people die?

      Because they didn’t lay down their arms. This is already enough. But in fact, the war with the Germans ended when the last unit of the Wehrmacht or SS surrendered.
      1. Octopus 26 November 2019 22: 11 New
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        Because they didn’t lay down their arms


        The question was about fighters of the Red Army, stop accepting what you accept there already.

        Quote: mister-red
        when the last unit of the Wehrmacht or SS surrendered.

        When did the last Wehrmacht / SS unit surrender in Denmark? Norway? What is the difference?
        1. mister-red 26 November 2019 22: 49 New
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          The question was about the soldiers of the Red Army, stop accepting what you accept there.

          I do not accept anything, unlike some. And I pondered the question correctly and my answer was correct - the soldiers of the Red Army died for the disarmament of the German troops that disarmed in battle. I served in the army of my friend and I understand perfectly what military operations are.
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            fighters of the Red Army died for the fact that they disarmed with battle uncapitulated units of German troops

            Some strange task, do not you think?

            Why disarm them with battle? Who are they interfering with at that moment? They were left with weapons - and what should they do?
            1. mister-red 27 November 2019 18: 53 New
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              That is, you are fighting against a country, have taken the capital, the country has surrendered, but it is full of troops armed to the teeth, which you did not surrender and you should not care? I’ll not pick up even epithets, because the stupidity of the human being knows no limit.
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                Quote: mister-red
                human stupidity knows no limit.

                Yes, I think it’s unusual for you to think. It may even hurt. It happens.

                Quote: mister-red
                fighting against a country, they took the capital

                Uh, no. The USSR recognized the London government of Benes and the Dominican borders of Czechoslovakia. Nothing happening in Czechoslovakia, the Red Army did not concern. Well, in theory.
                Quote: mister-red
                but full of troops to the teeth armed, which you did not surrender and you should not care?

                Naturally do not care. If they move from positions of your army, and not towards them. In particular, the Wrangel’s army, after evacuating from Crimea for another 4 years, wandered around the Balkans in the manner of gypsies, this does not mean that the Soviet government should not eat and do some interesting things because of it. Red terror in Crimea, for example.
              2. mister-red 28 November 2019 18: 16 New
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                Your position has the right to be. The question is different. I will show you an example.
                There was such a Mrs. Novodvorskaya, a very impressive woman. She did not just love power, she hated her homeland and people. However, it was often shown on TV. So, as a private person, she could speak anything. But if, for example, she became the president of the country (the comedian became the president of Ukraine), then for those words and actions that she would definitely have done, she would have to be hung on the first lamppost, despite the fact that the woman.
                That is, as a simple person, you can take it as you like. But if you were somehow responsible for something at that time and made such decisions, then Siberia is the same soft thing that was supposed to be and it would be absolutely fair
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                My friend, where did you go through the "training"? Maybe in Suomi?
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                They wanted to say something, or did they come to shine?
  • anykin 26 November 2019 20: 34 New
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    Quote: Octopus
    On May 8, learning about the surrender of the Reich, signed at Reims ... On the morning of May 9, 1945, units of the Red Army entered the city and liberated Prague,

    Who and from whom frees foreign cities in peacetime? What is this topic at all?

    Surrender is the cessation of armed struggle and the surrender of the armed forces of one of the warring states.
    The military must either surrender or accept the battle. They do not automatically become peaceful, continue to be at war.
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      Quote: anykin
      They do not automatically become peaceful, continue to be at war.

      Have you read the posts above?
      Quote: Octopus
      This is the answer to the question why the Nazis were killed in peacetime, i.e. after May 7th. I did not ask this question.

      The question was the opposite. 12 thousand conditionally dead soldiers of the Red Army in the Prague operation. What exactly did they give their lives for?
      1. anykin 27 November 2019 00: 12 New
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        Have you read the posts above?

        I commented on the post by which you started the discussion.
        Unless of course you remember your initial posts.
        Quote: Octopus
        Who and from whom frees foreign cities in peacetime?
        1. Octopus 27 November 2019 00: 24 New
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          Quote: Octopus
          Who and from whom frees foreign cities in peacetime?

          And what does your remark have to do with the liberation of Prague? If
          On May 8, having learned about the surrender of the Reich, ... In Prague there remained German troops who did not have time to go west and some parts of the SS who refused to surrender and continued to resist

          Quote: anykin
          The military must either surrender or accept the battle. They do not automatically become peaceful, continue to be at war.

          What is fuss about? ABOUT some parts of the mop? Against them was the operation of the forces of 3 fronts (1 UV, 2 UV, 4 UV)?
          1. anykin 27 November 2019 00: 30 New
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            Yes, against them.
            1. Octopus 27 November 2019 00: 51 New
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              Yes against them

              If you have 24 (twenty-four) armies of the Red Army, including 3 air and 3 guards tank, plus front-line submission forces of three fronts are fighting against some parts of the SS and lose at the same time 1,5 SD staff of the 42nd year (and according to the realities of the 45th year - no matter how 4 SD), then OK, your right. However, I emphasize that my assessment of the Red Army of the 45th year is much higher.
              1. anykin 27 November 2019 11: 56 New
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                my assessment of the Red Army of the 45th year is much higher.

                Those. the losses are adequate to combat operations.
                1. Octopus 27 November 2019 12: 45 New
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                  Those. casualties are adequate to combat

                  Yes and no. Yes, if you directly call the tasks that were being solved, no, if you continue to carry nonsense about certain parts of the SS, the disarmament of the Nazis, the fascist reptile, which they still suggested.
                2. anykin 27 November 2019 13: 19 New
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                  ? How can you accomplish some tasks without disarming the fascist reptile?
                3. Octopus 27 November 2019 13: 35 New
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                  How can I perform some tasks

                  It depends on what your tasks are. Dofiga tasks, in fact, which the armed fascist reptile in the American zone of occupation does not interfere. Moreover, the Americans, it’s hard to believe, weapons were also taken away from the reptile, except for personal ones.
  • sergand53 30 November 2019 16: 39 New
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    “Uncle Petya, you?” (C). Logic is not your hobby!
  • Alexander Chkalov 26 November 2019 15: 01 New
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    For more than twenty years, they have been diligently showering themselves with slops, scolding (and still scolding, by the way) Marshal Zhukov, what is the light of day, looking for fleas in a scrawny of six different kinds of libelous people like the same “master” Solzhenitsyn - and you, Woke up Is it too late, brothers - Slavs? Czechs now - from a completely different test. not from the May Stars movie. And after August 68th ...
    1. mister-red 26 November 2019 21: 54 New
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      And after August 68th ...

      68th is the punishment for 6 years of work for the war machine of the Germans. And this is true, but not enough.
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        68th is the punishment for 6 years of work for the war machine of the Germans

        What an interesting concept. Do I understand you correctly that those killed in the 68th are to blame for the fact that in 39-45 they worked for the German war machine?
        1. mister-red 27 November 2019 18: 44 New
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          Absolutely. Nevertheless, Russophobes have called the Russians guilty of all mortal sins from the 19th century. And mind you, it is living now. Because if they require an apology, then excuse me, the dead cannot apologize, but only those who live now.
          Sorry for repeated taftalogy
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            Russophobes call the Russians guilty of all mortal sins from the 19th century.

            The topic of historical guilt and collective responsibility, of course, is interesting. But it’s better to discuss it for some other reason.

            In this particular case, Russophobes, as you put it, require you to remove the monument to Marshal I.S. Konev and put up a monument to Lieutenant General A.A. Vlasov. That is, there are bad Russian and good Russian, as in the official Soviet pitch, except in places unusual for you
            1. mister-red 28 November 2019 18: 19 New
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              1. Vlasov was not going to liberate Prague and he did nothing for this
              2. One of his generals did this, I don’t remember the last name and now I don’t want to search. Just Vlasov waved at him, like do what you want
              3. He did not have any forces for such an operation, and if the Soviet troops had not arrived in time, hell would have been left from them.
              Maybe it should have been done, and now there would be no squabbles
              But no, they would have arisen - why didn’t they help?
              1. Octopus 28 November 2019 20: 05 New
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                No comments on your first speech. Without a clue what it is about and where the dead V.I.
                Quote: mister-red
                Vlasov was not going to liberate Prague

                You are partly right.
                Firstly, I was mistaken. The new monument - not personally to Vlasov, but to the Vlasov people.
                Secondly, the local municipal activist who started all this (the head of the Rzhepory district, Pavel Novotny *) really, first of all, has a great personal dislike of the Soviet regime. Who exactly there to erect monuments for him is not so important, the main thing is to spit on the soul of the old Bolsheviks.
                Quote: mister-red
                Did one of his generals, I do not remember the name

                Sergey Kuzmich Bunyachenko, hanged on August 1, 1946.
                Quote: mister-red
                what the hell would be left of them

                Schörner was not about to crush the rebellion. It simply interfered with his strength to pass. It would be normal to agree.
                Quote: mister-red
                Maybe it should have been done

                No. Comrade Stalin understood very well what to do. It should be recognized.
                Quote: mister-red
                But no, they would have arisen - why didn’t they help?

                )))
                No, it didn’t. You see, comrade Stalin has already done what you propose. In August-September of the 44th, the Warsaw Uprising. This made a very deep impression on all viewers except, alas, those who refused to see. Roosevelt, Hull, Marshall, Eisenhower.

                Already guessed why Comrade. Stalin could not stand and wait until the Nazis scattered, or not yet?

                * Yes, Rzhepory, district of Prague, 4,5 thousand inhabitants. Yes, it is with the Rzhepory district that the Russian Foreign Ministry is now fighting. So it goes.
                1. mister-red 30 November 2019 00: 53 New
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                  I think the point is already set. Regardless of whether or not there will be a monument
                  “The question is, can they atone for a few days of positive behavior? And can we therefore forget that they have betrayed their homeland for many years? I think this must not be forgotten”
                  Czech President Milos Zeman
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                    Quote: mister-red
                    Czech President Milos Zeman

                    )))
                    A very peculiar comrade. I would like to believe that the Czechs will nevertheless bite him in jail. The people are funny, motor.
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                    Whatever it is, but in principle he said everything correctly.
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    Traitors - Bolsheviks since the 17th year! Vlasov fought against the red yoke after Sralin betrayed his soldiers in a decree of August 41 st announcing prisoners of war traitors.
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      The Bolsheviks are traitors because they saved the country?
  • NEXUS 26 November 2019 22: 06 New
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    We must fight for Truth ... otherwise we will someday be told that the Americans took Berlin in 1945.


    Listen carefully ... this is the voice of that war from the TECH trenches.
  • andrewkor 26 November 2019 08: 44 New
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    I won’t be surprised if the stand "Fighting Path of the 1st Division of the ROA" appears in the Yeltsyntsentr. Once again - pooh to their graves!
  • Basil50 26 November 2019 05: 43 New
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    Czechs with Slovaks are simply an example of how the national idea and aspirations of an entire nation change from the political market.
    They forgive themselves and outright betrayal and outright robbery and murder, and not only in relation to other countries but also in relation to themselves.
    But other countries and peoples are always judged by the highest moral criteria .........
    This WE can remember a lot of things about Czechs and Slovaks, but the Czechs and Slovaks themselves, however, like most Caucasians, they have already forgiven and forgotten everything.
    In some countries, it is already legally PROHIBITED to know and remember what actually happened
    1. Same lech 26 November 2019 05: 47 New
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      A video walks on the internet where the Czechs crushed civil Germans in a car in 1945 ... they lined up, laid down and ... these are the Czechs ... not far from Hitler's SS.
      1. mister-red 26 November 2019 21: 55 New
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        There is a story about how the Czechs sent Germans across the border in their heads.
        And the Poles are no better.
  • Fevralsk. Morev 26 November 2019 05: 51 New
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    The company for distorting and denigrating our History is in full swing in our country. To recall the masterpiece of Mikhalkov, produced with state money-the Citadel and the Anticipation, Goebbels turned over in his coffin. Less masterpieces appear regularly on a smaller scale (T-34) On May 9, Lenin's mausoleum, bashfully boarded up with plywood. On May 9, banners with photos of German soldiers and equipment appear in Russian cities. The ban on the portrait of Stalin on the "Immortal Regiment", but a portrait of Nikolai the Bloody, please. Why be indignant? Why in a stranger's eye to look at a speck when his corner is littered with garbage.
    1. Uncle lee 26 November 2019 06: 10 New
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      The myth that Prague in May 1945 was not liberated by the Red Army, but by the ROA, was not invented by the Czechs themselves. Its founder can be considered the well-known anti-Soviet, a favorite of the West and the Russian "democracy" Alexander Solzhenitsyn.
      Apparently Solzhenitsyn was awarded the Kremlin for this! Helped her husband ....
      1. mister-red 26 November 2019 22: 01 New
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        In general, this fuss with Solzhenitsyn smells very bad. I don’t know why Putin is such an admirer of him, but I believe that someday one will put him down from the pedestal and banned him from schools. And at the same time, they will stop financing the Yeltsin Center.
    2. mister-red 26 November 2019 22: 00 New
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      The ban on the portrait of Stalin on the "Immortal Regiment"

      In fact, the Infinite Regiment was originally a procession with portraits of relatives of those who died in the Great Patriotic War. So neither with the portrait of Nikolai the 2nd, nor with the portrait of Stalin and Zhukov, if this is certainly not his relatives, it is wrong to go.
  • Military Builder 26 November 2019 06: 04 New
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    At our government level, the Soviet past is being denigrated, and the Stalin period is most zealous, which is then to take the poor from them. They act on the principle of the enemy of my enemy - my friend, everyone with whom the USSR fought is gradually moving into the category of Western friends, and Bendera and Vlasov
    1. rocket757 26 November 2019 06: 51 New
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      the Stalin period is most vilified,

      They conceive EVERYTHING as they can, that they can ...
      For Stalin, the most difficult period of the formation of the Soviet State, therefore, there are serious, not righteous moments, mistakes, they are hooked on them to the fullest !!!
      These are the current owners of FACTORIES, NEWSPAPERS, STEAMS, try and pay for all the dirt that is dumped on our Great Soviet Achievements !!! I will not say that the past, because nothing has ended!
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        Quote: rocket757
        Quote: Military Builder
        the Stalin period is most vilified,

        EVERYTHING is scolded by EVERYTHING as they can, what ..... the current owners of PLANTS, NEWSPAPERS, STEAMS are trying and paying for all the dirt that is dumped on our Great Soviet Achievements !!!!
        They live at the expense of the SOVIET HERITAGE without realizing their achievements.
        1. rocket757 26 November 2019 18: 27 New
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          Hi Dmitry soldier
          They immediately noted you for reminding them of how it really is.
          1. Reptiloid 26 November 2019 18: 30 New
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            Good evening, Victor! So, a relative of the owners is reading, and even he himself did not like it!
    2. parusnik 26 November 2019 07: 10 New
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      At our interstate level, they erect monuments to white whales, how did they fight against the Bolsheviks ... And at the same time having canceled November 7, they recall the parade dedicated to November 7, 1941 ... both ours and yours ...
      1. Reptiloid 26 November 2019 18: 21 New
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        ...... having canceled November 7, they recall the parade dedicated to November 7, 1941 ...

        Probably, they are still afraid of the population, whose fathers and grandfathers fought in the GREAT DOMESTIC.
        1. rocket757 26 November 2019 18: 29 New
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          Quote: Reptiloid

          Probably still afraid of the population, whose fathers and grandfathers fought in the GREAT DOMESTIC

          But with the population, the citizens in us are very different, divided and not everything is now so simple.
          1. Reptiloid 26 November 2019 18: 39 New
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            Separate individual salesmen who, before May 9, begin to activate. The main part raises concerns, and this parade is held for her.
            Whatever the reason — I’m glad of this parade, and may November 7 be remembered!
            1. rocket757 26 November 2019 18: 54 New
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              This is their power ... and our shame when they allowed them to bashfully block the Mausoleum.
              Is fenced off from HIS history, this is to lose the very essence of your country!
              For all that, I believe that Lenin should be buried next to her ancestors, but don’t overlook the history of the country, EVERYTHING as it is.
              1. Reptiloid 26 November 2019 19: 06 New
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                But I believe that Lenin should not be transferred. Medvedev canceled the Acts of the USSR, even Railway Day and Radio Day. I think it was impossible to do this. Let the decision on the burial of Lenin, of that time, remain in force, no one has power over those events.
                And another thing ---- if it would be possible, then we would build it, I don’t know what it is ---- ????????
                Assume yourself, given the case, ----- then they will cover the Mausoleum, then the center of the former, then the wall, then the monuments, you yourself know who they are putting. While there Lenin on Red Square ----- no liberal structures are expected. Something like that....
                1. rocket757 26 November 2019 19: 55 New
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                  For the sake of uniting the nation, the people, I agree to everything!
                  Best of all, or rather, faith, hope, ideas, symbols, even slogans do it ... and MEMORY of our troubles and great deeds. Let Lenin stay if this helps ...
                  When / if there comes a moment of unity and agreement, then we will or will not decide.
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                    Totally agree
                    Quote: rocket757
                    For the sake of uniting the nation, the people, I agree to everything!
                    Best of all, or rather, faith, hope, ideas, symbols, even slogans do it ... and MEMORY of our troubles and great deeds. Let Lenin stay if this helps ...
                    When / if there comes a moment of unity and agreement, then we will or will not decide.

                    And ----- diligently preserve knowledge, knowledge about that time.
  • Grossvater 26 November 2019 06: 13 New
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    Well ... It’s logical, then.
    The Czech Republic is the most important ally of Nazi Germany, perhaps even more important than France.
    Actually, the “uprising” of the 45th year itself is simply a very successful attempt to escape retaliation for their atrocities.
    By the way, try even now in domestic literature to find a summary table of the output of Czech plants for the period 39-45.
    If on tanks and self-propelled guns you can still at least somehow calculate something, then on small arms, ammunition, cars, such information is extremely difficult to find.
    It should also be noted that this was not at all a forced labor from under the stick. No, the Czechs did their job very creatively and diligently!
    Now the next in the history of this, with the permission of the country, the change of owner is happening.
    Psychology of a rag in the doorway. Whoever wipes his last legs, soles and lick!
    PS We need to analyze the quality composition of the Panzervaffe in the 41st year. The ratio of German triples - fours and Czech tanks. If it didn’t work out, then there are more Czechs.
    1. Talgarets 26 November 2019 08: 07 New
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      Czech about 30% was (plus or minus). At the same time, it is necessary to compare taking into account the industrial potentials of countries.
      1. begemot20091 26 November 2019 12: 13 New
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        By June 1941, German units were almost one-third equipped with Czech weapons. Czech hands collected a quarter of all tanks, 26 percent of trucks and 40 percent of small arms of the German army. According to the German War Economy Center, on March 31, 1944, the Führer at the disposal of workshops in 857 Czech plants received weapons and equipment worth nearly 13 billion 866 million Reichsmarks ...................
        According to German sources, in the 1944 year, the Czech Republic monthly (!) Delivered to Germany about 11 thousand pistols, 30 thousand rifles, more than 3 thousand machine guns, 15 million cartridges, about 100 self-propelled artillery pieces, 144 thousand infantry guns, 180 thousand more anti-aircraft guns shells, nearly a million shells for anti-aircraft guns, from 620 to 600 aircraft bomb wagons, 900 million signal munitions, 0,5 tons of gunpowder and 1000 thousand explosives. As for Czech labor productivity, it was not inferior to that of German workers.
  • Flooding 26 November 2019 06: 13 New
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    Albert Speer, Hitler's court architect, in Nuremberg:
    "With the help of technical means such as radio and loudspeakers, eighty million people were deprived of their independent thinking ..."
    Since then, technical means have only improved, and the ability of people to think independently, alas, has not increased.
  • sergo1914 26 November 2019 06: 39 New
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    The trend is being traced. Arrived in Prague on a tank - you are a liberator. He didn’t come on a tank - the occupier.
    1. rich 26 November 2019 10: 07 New
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      trying to spoil Russia, the Czechs fell into their own trap. One way or another, the Russians liberated Prague. This fact cannot be denied. Gradually it will reach the Czechs, but, as usual, with a delay laughing
  • andrewkor 26 November 2019 06: 46 New
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    Mental pain literally pervades when you read about such a disgrace, to put it mildly! Burn in Hell with all these Solzhenitsyn, Gorbachev, Yeltsin and all their liberal svre. Ugh on their prayers !!!
  • Jurkovs 26 November 2019 07: 33 New
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    I can’t understand why they took Berlin and freed Prague. The Czechs almost voluntarily became part of the Third Reich, worked diligently in releasing tanks for the Wehrmacht, and if not a large group of marginals, not wanting to be defeated by the country, and fussed with rebellion, this does not mean anything.
    1. Serg koma 26 November 2019 10: 05 New
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      “Berlin took” and “Prague freed”

      At this moment in Prague there was an uprising, and calls from the rebels for help.
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        At that moment in Prague there was an uprising, and calls from the rebels for help

        Similar events occurred in Bulgaria and Romania. Where in a hurry to urgently change the government just to not get under the distribution. In addition, similar events wanted to crank in Warsaw, but Stalin did not buy.
  • Andrey NM 26 November 2019 07: 35 New
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    Somehow not surprising.
    The day before the occupation of Prague in 1939, the German military attache made the following report: “All our provocations are in vain, because the Czechs simply do not give themselves to provoke. When we send our people to the street to shout“ Heil Hitler ”, the Czechs shout with them. When we make our people shout “Down with the republic!” - the Czechs shout with them, and when we tell our people that they should sing “Horst Wessel” in the streets, the Czechs sing with them. With all our desire, we cannot the Czechs provoke the slightest incident. " ... they gave us all their weapons ... we got wonderful heavy artillery. And aviation is not bad. At first, we even could not believe that not a single gun, not a single machine gun was put out of order. Not a single warehouse with ammunition was blown up, not a single tank was emptied - everything was transferred in perfect order. ... In this case, only one or two officers refused to give us a hand. Everyone else was crawling on their stomachs. Having such opponents is simply disgusting. "
    1. Igoresha 26 November 2019 16: 16 New
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      you can believe the German officer - the spouse was in the Czech Republic and on some sort of excursion their group was asked to snuggle up to the wall so that a group of Germans could be missed, the Czechs had obvious respect for the Germans in blood.
  • Ros 56 26 November 2019 07: 39 New
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    My friend’s father freed, they raised the alarm on May 9 and forward on their own. I was afraid that at the end of the war, God forbid they would be beaten. And so at home two funerals lay at home.
    Therefore, we knew about this from childhood, and now they begin to compose all kinds of crap. But to me personally, and to my generation it is like a dog barking, well, it barks and okay, but for young people, since they don’t read books, they need to make computer games and make films instead of any Rambos and other vile things. To make many films on historical topics, like striped eggs twisted in the sky of Vietnam, Korea and any other other places. It is necessary to work, otherwise there are ministries of culture and education, but young people have neither culture nor education.
  • geologist 26 November 2019 08: 45 New
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    The Czechs lived with us for some time, the Soviet time (it seems they did not like it) and returned again to their Germans. Question; Will they come back under serious pressure back under the protectorate of Vienna - Berlin under the general leadership of a European power, or will they remain partially independent for some more? How will this affect our situation?
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    BAI 26 November 2019 09: 46 New
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    Its founder can be considered the well-known anti-Soviet, a favorite of the West and the Russian "democracy" Alexander Solzhenitsyn. He worked hard on the field of creating anti-Soviet myths.

    The author is not in the subject of the current political moment. Solzhenitsin’s wife (widow) just (just a few days ago) was awarded just for continuing her husband’s business (and of course for charity).
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      Solzhenitsin’s wife (widow) has just
      ,,, yeah, there was such a moment: Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of 17.07.2019 No. 337
  • Olgovich 26 November 2019 10: 09 New
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    Who freed Prague

    A strange question: of course, Soviet troops liberated: in general, having come to the West and, in particular, having destroyed the Nazis in Prague. Just know the facts.

    the fact that someone killed them in Prague before the arrival of our troops is good: our losses were less
  • starshina78 26 November 2019 10: 28 New
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    All this with monuments could be realized only for one reason - the weakness of Russia, as the state of the legal successor of the USSR. The state of the Russian Federation allowed all sorts of different tarnish the memory of dead soldiers. It does not interfere in any way. Those attempts that they are doing nonsense in comparison with the Sabbath that is happening in Europe. Fascist marches and the demolition of monuments in Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, the demolition of monuments in Poland (where 600000 Red Army soldiers died), the distortion of history by all the states that used to be part of the Warsaw Pact and CMEA. If the leadership of the Russian Federation was more persistent, more skillfully and intelligibly proved its historical truth on the sidelines of the UN and the Council of Europe, then the Czechs did not erect monuments to Vlasov, and now money is leading Russia. The main thing is to sell gas, and what they do there with the history of the Great Patriotic War a second time. Well, Zakharova will speak at a briefing and that’s it. It’s like shooting a duck at an elephant.
  • Major48 26 November 2019 11: 20 New
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    Well, how will you fight for the truth if GDP magnifies the liar and traitor Solzhenitsyn! And all the falsifiers and provocateurs in power and the media settled.
    1. Fevralsk. Morev 26 November 2019 12: 28 New
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      There is a photo in which Putin lays flowers at the graves of Solzhenitsyn, Ilyin and some other White Guard (it seems to Denikin). Ilyin is still an abomination.
  • Old Orc 26 November 2019 11: 28 New
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    in this attempt to change the story. There are three independent, but important points.
    1. Given the approaching economic crisis. it is necessary to show the failure of an alternative to the current system. (komunyaki could not intercept anything and assign victory to a democratic / pro-capitalist / patriotic ROA)
    2. Given the approaching economic crisis and growing competition, it is necessary to weaken the position of Russia recording all the victories of the USSR. (You heirs of the USSR have nothing to show all normal Russians liberated Prague in the ROA and left like all normal people to the west (to the elves)
    3. And last but not least. If Prague was liberated by the ROA, then those who came next were not liberators but occupiers. hence another evidence of occupation by the USSR. and since Russia is the right receiver, it must pay for crimes.
    If you do not fight sharply and unambiguously with the distortion of history. there will be trouble.
  • Operator 26 November 2019 12: 10 New
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    The autonomous region of the Third Reich "Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia" under the leadership of local President Emil Gahi and the government worked shockingly for the benefit of the Reich from bell to bell in WWII.

    On May 6, 1945, the local president and government issued a decree on secession from the Third Reich and ordered the local police to disarm the Wehrmacht and SS soldiers - despite the fact that the German group in the protectorate amounted to 900 thousand people with tanks, artillery and aviation. It was a gamble designed to help the US Army, which entered neighboring South Germany. After the Americans refused to help (since the protectorate was in the zone of occupation of the Red Army), the local president and government fell into a desperate situation - the retreating Germans would have been drawn to their former fellow citizens.

    One of the divisions of the Vlasov ROA, which was part of the Wehrmacht, decided to portray an uprising against the Wehrmacht, occupying part of Prague, and then left the city with its German comrades.

    And where is the Czech Republic as such and the "liberation" of Prague by the Vlasovites?

    For good, the Red Army had to wait a bit while the Germans rolled to zero the capital of the autonomous region of the Third Reich along with drummers of German labor and hanged the local president with the government.
  • Fevralsk. Morev 26 November 2019 12: 48 New
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    They want to deliver-deliver. And our government will swallow silently. And what? One of the deputies-senators-government has Czech citizenship, another has real estate in the same place, a third has business, and children study. And then some kind of monument. In Moscow, Leningradsky Prospekt d.75, the Church of All Saints was a monument to Krasnov and a memorial plaque to all white generals and chieftains, and one SS general, who fought for Hitler. In the village of Elanskaya of the Sholokhov district there is a monument to Krasnov. Why is it possible to put Krasnov in Russia, but not Vlasov in the Czech Republic? Why is Vlasov worse than Krasnov? Or is it better?
  • bandabas 26 November 2019 13: 30 New
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    Because of these “rebels,” many Soviet soldiers died at the end of the war. They liberated those who plowed the Third Reich throughout the 2nd World War.
  • Yury Siritsky 26 November 2019 14: 38 New
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    If we sowed our seeds during the perestroika period, then we should not be offended. that our former friends and foes are doing it now.
  • zenion 26 November 2019 15: 19 New
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    Pavel Tolstov, tanker. He talked at work about his participation in the war. Not only did they capture Prague and Czechoslovakia, but they immediately received reinforcements, replenished supplies of fuel and shells, and moved to Austria. Although they did not write or talk about this anywhere, I learned from him that they had seized Vienna and went to the border of Italy in northern Austria, as well as to the western border of France. On the way to Austria, their convoy was bombed by American aircraft. But, when they began to be shot down, they raced to Italy and no longer interfered.
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      Quote: zenion
      Pavel Tolstov, tanker. Talked at work about his participation in the war

      Do you work in a drug dispensary?
      Quote: zenion
      moved to Austria. Although they didn’t write or talk about it anywhere, I learned from him that they had seized Vienna

      Vienna was taken on April 13th by the 3UF Tolbukhin. Prague took 1 Konev UV. And 2 Malinowski UV a month later.
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      as well as to the western border of France

      Austria has no border with France. Did they go through Switzerland to Suvorov places there?
  • DukeP 26 November 2019 17: 21 New
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    The winners write the story and it can be false ...
    Initially, the traitors were the Bolsheviks back in the 17th year, and Vlasov broke with them after the sralin announced in August 41st all the red prisoners of war (as well as members of their families!) As traitors. That is, in fact, he betrayed his own soldiers! Having finally seen all the lies and treachery of the soviet regime, Vlasov went over to the side of the white generals Krasnov and Shkuro for whom the Second World War was a chance to continue the civil war against the Red Yoke!
    So the ROA army collaborated (did not support!) With Hitler to fight NOT against the Russian people, but AGAINST the executioners-Bolsheviks!
    Vlasov is a patriot, as well as Solzhenitsyn, who in his books brought all the Soviet dirt to clean water!
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    2. Fevralsk. Morev 28 November 2019 16: 38 New
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      Do you quote Vlasov, the cry of the Committee for the Rework of the Peoples of Russia?
  • SERGEY SERGEEVICS 26 November 2019 17: 32 New
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    Who freed Prague
    Like who? A Soviet soldier, or more precisely the USSR and no one else. At the minke whales with their allies, the forces would not have been enough to reach Prague. That's right, when the USSR destroyed the bulk of the Nazis only then, the minke whales with their allies deigned to land.
    1. Slavutich 26 November 2019 19: 05 New
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      Absolutely, and no other way
  • Albatroz 26 November 2019 17: 34 New
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    The first division of the ROA entered Prague. She supported the rebels, freeing the city. It is a fact.
    The troops of the red army entered the city later. By the way, cracking down on wounded Vlasovites lying in hospitals
  • ABM
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    Quote: Octopus
    Apparently, a very unusual idea.
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    He didn’t lay down his arms, so he didn’t accept surrender - an axiom.

    This is the answer to the question. why the Nazis were killed in peacetime, i.e. after May 7th. I did not ask this question.

    The question was the opposite. 12 thousand conditionally dead soldier of the red army in the Prague operation. What exactly did they give their lives for? For the liberation of the USSR from Nazi invaders? So they released a year ago. For victory? So they won already.

    Try to state what the purpose of the Prague operation was. Without templates, such as "liberation from the Nazis." If the Nazis were in Prague for another month, maybe someone would die from it, but they would not be soldiers of the Red Army.


    to get almost a million prisoners of war (slaves) for 10 years is an excellent goal, fully justifying small losses. The Americans released prisoners immediately after the war, the French a year later.
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      Quote: ABM
      to receive almost a million prisoners of war (slaves) for 10 years is an excellent goal, fully justifying small losses

      Wow, the anti-Soviet made their way.

      Sounds reasonable, but no, the game was with different bets. About 10 thousand people spent 50 years in the USSR from the Germans, this is from all Germans, and not specifically from that million. This is even strange, because the Japanese, who also became prisoners of war in some non-obvious way, stayed for 10 years for everything. On the other hand, to become a Soviet prisoner of war, it was not necessary at all to fight. Comrade Schmeisser, for example, managed to get captured in October of the 45th year, and comrade Zippe was captured by the Soviet Union not only after May 9, but also in the city of Munich, all of a sudden.
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        what games, what rates ... 850 thousand prisoners, the smallest, 5 years restored the country, many - 10 years. Losses of 11 thousand people.
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          Quote: ABM
          850 thousand prisoners, the smallest,

          No, your arithmetic is incorrect. All German military in the USSR was approx. 2,5 million people. By May 45th, disarmed German military units were not so deficient in Europe as to catch armed military units out of purely economic interest.
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            “Center Army Group was completely liquidated, almost all personnel were killed, wounded, or capitulated. The total number of prisoners (including arms laid down after May 11) was about 860, including 000 generals. 60 were captured as trophies guns and mortars, 9500 tanks and assault guns, about 1800 aircraft "Military Encyclopedia: In 1100 volumes / Chairman of the Main Editorial Commission Ivanov B. B. - M .: Military Publishing House, 8. - T. 2002: Ogarkov -" Progress ". - S. 6. - 569 p. - ISBN 639-5-203-01873.
            1. Octopus 26 November 2019 22: 17 New
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              Fine, but you are not interested in prisoners as a result of the operation, but in prisoners who "restored the country." This is not the same thing. Not all 860 thousand went to the construction sites of communism, not all.
              1. Military Builder 27 November 2019 08: 41 New
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                if you are not Kolya, then his best friend
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                  Quote: Military Builder
                  if you are not Kolya

                  How interesting. Kole, I remember, showed sympathy for the soldiers of the Wehrmacht. I admit that you called him in this regard.

                  At the same time, I drown not for the German, but for the Russians, generally, a soldier. It turns out that only a liberal can protect them too.

                  Small checks. Anti-Soviet = anti-Russian, do you agree?
  • valdissumy 26 November 2019 21: 49 New
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    To begin with, the “Prague Uprising” is a complete gamble of the inhabitants of Prague with the goal of at least somehow rehabilitating themselves for six years of cooperation with the Germans.
    About "Who liberated Prague?" no questions - only the Red Army. My father took part in her release as part of the 4th Guards Kantemirov Tank Corps. Back in the late 60s of the 20th century, my father told me about the role of the Vlasov division in the liberation of Prague. The Vlasovites did not let the Germans strangle the uprising, but they did not have the strength to free Prague. The battles with the Germans in the outskirts of Prague went until May 10, 1945, closer to the Austrian border until May 12.
    Now the Czech authorities blame the Red Army on May 10, 1945. Yes, my father told me that on May 10, 1945, Red Army aircraft bombed the city of Roudnice-on-Labe, 40 kilometers northeast of Prague, after which the Germans stopped resistance and their tank corps without loss occupied the city.
    The Czechs very joyfully greeted the soldiers of the Red Army as LIBERATORS.
    But few people know what they did with the captured Germans and ethnic Germans of the Sudetenland. Type in “Rownice 1945” and other sites and see for yourself. Yes - most Germans deserve it, it is not up to the Czechs to judge this. If the inhabitants of the USSR, Poland, Yugoslavia had done so, they can be understood, but the Czechs ...
  • besserbest 26 November 2019 23: 59 New
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    My father freed Prague. He said that he fought until May 13 inclusive ... According to the "Overton windows" the bastards are working. At first, a provocateur Solzhenitsyn was blinded in Moscow with a monument, why not to organize a traitor general in Prague ???
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    The ideologists of the USSR at one time made a very big mistake, ignoring and sometimes distorting history. I mean the history of the former countries of the socialist camp or the Warsaw Pact. The truth about Czechoslovakia sounds something like this, part of the patriots, after the liberal elite surrendered the country to Hitler, moved to England and the USSR and began to fight the Nazis. I must say they were not just few but very few. For example, Czech pilots in England were no more than 70 people. But these are not broken, these are patriots and heroes. But the rest of the country worked for the benefit of the Third Reich, put on shoes and forged weapons, I must say it did so with Czech quality. Statistics is a stubborn thing, every second cartridge issued by the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front (which is in our fathers and great-grandfathers) was produced in the Czech Republic (not counting airplanes, tanks, rifles, boots). And that’s not all, they even sent their troops to fight with us. I must say the troops are so-so rabble .... But you won’t throw words out of a song, especially if it is sung. So the meanness and volatility of the Czechs is to understand their national trait. Why then be surprised if they were "liberated" by the Americans and Vlasov.
  • Motorhead 27 January 2020 00: 05 New
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    My grandfather had a medal, “For the Liberation of Prague,” sufficient evidence for sane people. Other dreamers can compose, is there life on Mars, etc.
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    What does it mean who liberated? My father in the tank army Rybalko freed, he had a medal "For the Liberation of Prague"