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How Russia lost the post-Soviet space and what to do

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In the three decades since the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia has largely lost control of the post-Soviet space and real political influence on the former Soviet republics. Some of them turned into open opponents of our country, but relations with seemingly close allies like the same Belarus did not work out in the best way.


From political sovereignty to tearing away Russia


When the Soviet Union ceased to exist in the year 1991, most of the post-Soviet republics, by inertia, continued close cooperation within the framework of the Commonwealth of Independent States, although already then the first problems began in relations with Ukraine, Georgia, and the Central Asian republics. But then too dense were the economic, political, cultural ties between the former Soviet republics.

Years and decades have passed. People born during the collapse of the USSR are now thirty-year-old adults, men and women. In the former Soviet republics, two generations grew up, not connected by a common state and a common history with Russia. What consequences this has led to, we see on the example of Ukraine with its militant Russophobia, which, incidentally, is also supported by many Russian-born people who grew up in the post-Soviet Ukrainian state. After all, school history lessons, state propaganda, the work of the media - all this together forms a national and civic identity.

For the national elites of the post-Soviet states, Russia has always been and remains a risk factor, primarily because the power of these elites is based on the opposition of their countries to the Russian state. Nationalist mythology, which necessarily includes theses on a significant difference from Russia and the Russians, on the Russian and Soviet occupation, is present in one form or another in the state ideology of almost all post-Soviet republics.


And now we are talking not only about Ukraine or Georgia, Estonia, or Latvia that are clearly unfriendly to Russia, but also about Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and even Belarus. If you do not demonize Russia and do not emphasize your differences from it, the question will inevitably arise, why was it necessary to separate and create your own sovereign state? And so that this question is never asked, the Kazakh, Kyrgyz, and Belarusian elites build systems of political mythology.

Today Russophobia is elevated to the rank of the most important ideological component in almost all the republics of the former USSR. In words, the leaders of Kazakhstan or Belarus may be the best friends of Moscow, but in practice this is not at all the case. And we have often heard harsh words addressed to Russia even from the side of the “father” of Alexander Lukashenko, who had not so long ago been expected to be president of the united state of Russia and Belarus, and many patriots exclaimed enthusiastically: if Lukashenko had been president in Russia!

Republics of the ex-USSR are not interested in big business


In the modern world, politics is largely determined by economic reality, and in relation to the CIS countries it is such that the post-Soviet space is not interesting to Russian big business. The fact is that the post-Soviet republics could be of some interest to the manufacturing industry as a sales market, but it is still not in the best condition in Russia.

As for the flagships of the modern Russian economy - the oil and gas industry, they are not interested in the post-Soviet market. The main buyers of Russian oil and gas are non-CIS countries, which is why our fuel and energy giants are oriented towards European and East Asian directions.

It is worth noting that the post-Soviet markets for thirty years have safely been occupied by other players, primarily the European Union and China. The influence of China is especially strongly felt in Central Asia, where Chinese companies open new enterprises, where shops and markets are oversaturated with Chinese goods. Beijing Central Asia is seen as a historical sphere of influence, and the Central Asian elites, seduced by Chinese investment, prefer to keep quiet even about the oppression of related Turks in the PRC - the Uighurs of Xinjiang and the same Kazakhs, Kyrgyz and Uzbeks.

Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus are oriented towards Europe, although trade relations with Russia still remain very strong. But European companies are not asleep, as well as the Chinese. Celestial China has long and actively invested decent funds in Belarus. Of course, Belarus cannot be called the sphere of influence of China, but the “partners” from the Middle Kingdom constitute serious competition for Russian companies.

Both Europe, the USA and China are not interested in Russia fully regaining control over the post-Soviet space and becoming a key player in Eurasia. Indeed, fragmented and weak states are much easier to manipulate, if we talk about the political point of view, and if we take into account the economic component, then the maximum reduction in the presence of Russian goods and investments can also free up the post-Soviet markets for new players.

Russian influence and security of the post-Soviet space


Initially, at the beginning of the 1990-s, the CIS was considered by Moscow and as a military-political association, there was even a general military command. But then, with the gradual distance of a significant part of the post-Soviet republics from Russia, there came a change in military cooperation.


Many post-Soviet republics have fully or partially reoriented to military cooperation with NATO countries. Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia generally joined the North Atlantic Alliance, Azerbaijan closely cooperates with Turkey, Moldova with NATO, Georgia and Ukraine dream of joining it and are most closely cooperating with the American armed forces.

The sphere of increased competition is now the military-technical industry. Until recently, Russia was the main supplier of military equipment and weapons to the armies of post-Soviet states. Now the situation is changing. For example, the same Ukraine is already acquiring weapon in Western countries, increasing the income of the American and European military industries. It is clear that the West is much more profitable to oust Russia from other post-Soviet arms markets, ensuring the presence of their own products on them.

So far, Russia maintains the most dense military ties with Belarus, Armenia, to a lesser extent - with Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Kazakhstan. Of the listed states, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Armenia, military support for Moscow is simply necessary, since its absence is fraught with very serious, and possibly even catastrophic consequences. As for Kazakhstan, it is showing increasing independence, the exact same situation is with Belarus, which, however, remains the main military ally of Russia in the post-Soviet space.

In many ways, the loss of former influence in the post-Soviet republics is connected with the shortcomings of Russian foreign policy. In particular, what happened in Ukraine in the autumn of 2013 - in the winter of 2014, became possible only due to the fact that Moscow completely let the situation in the neighboring state go on its own and realized only when it was already very late. As a result, Russia lost Ukraine - it is not yet known whether it would be forever or for some relatively long period, but this whole problematic situation might not exist, if our country pursued a competent policy from the very beginning to monitor the situation in the neighboring state.

For twenty years, the Ukrainian leadership, in words demonstrating ostentatious friendliness towards Moscow, actually played a double game, developing relations with the West and turning a blind eye to the activation of nationalist groups. Not under the rule of Petro Poroshenko, but under the rule of Viktor Yanukovych and Leonid Kuchma flourished and multiplied, trained militants, and the press published numerous ultranationalist organizations that did not hide their cave Russophobia not only in 2013, but also in 2003, and in 1993. Moscow did not pay attention to these processes, just as it practically did not react to the oppression of the Russian-speaking population in the Baltic republics, although it was of a egregious nature: what is the status of “non-citizens” in Latvia!


The responsibility for the failures of foreign policy in the post-Soviet space lies primarily with two main departments of the Russian government - the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation. It is they who oversee foreign policy and often act very uncoordinatedly, which is also due to the presence of conflicting interests among various groups and groups of the Russian establishment.

With all the angry rhetoric of Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, which delights the patriots, if you remove the pink glasses, you can see a pretty ugly picture. It is over the past decade and a half that Russia’s positions in the post-Soviet space have seriously weakened, there has been a war with Georgia, and an armed conflict has erupted in the Donbass. What is this if not the failures of Russian foreign policy, and even directly on the Russian borders?

Is there a chance to rectify the situation?


Under the current conditions, the return of the lost influence on political processes in the countries of the former USSR becomes not just a desired goal, but a vital necessity. We can’t talk about any revival of the power of Russia as a world power, even though we create hundreds of new military bases in the Central African Republic, Sudan or Mozambique, until Moscow controls the situation in the near abroad, in countries that were less than half a century ago a state united with Russia .

In order to overcome all the deplorable consequences of the loss of control over the post-Soviet space, it is first necessary to change the very paradigm of perception of the post-Soviet republics as some secondary countries that will not go anywhere from Russia. Gone, and how! An example of Ukraine is a typical confirmation of this. And if this happens in Belarus, where does everything go? And in Kazakhstan?

A change in the political paradigm, active economic integration, the revival of cultural ties - these goals should become for Russia, for its diplomatic department, priorities. For example, by all means it is necessary to maintain the influence of the Russian language as the language of interethnic communication in the post-Soviet space.

It is necessary to use levers of political and economic pressure, tools of persuasion in order to maintain the official status of the Russian language in as many post-Soviet republics as possible, and where it was lost for any reason, seek its restoration.

Pro-Russian political organizations, communities and diasporas of Russian and Russian-speaking people should receive full support from Moscow - not only in words but in deeds: informational, legal, financial, and if necessary - political intercession at the highest level.

Indeed, the situation when we reduce barriers to obtaining citizenship to migrants, and in the homeland of these migrants oppresses and survives Russian-speaking people in every way, is not normal, and not understanding this or understanding, but not taking measures, is a crime against our people and their safety.
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 26 November 2019 05: 23 New
    +23
    As the state of Russia treats its citizens, so they treat us, nothing unusual. What can a rich-impoverished Russia do with its former republics?
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 26 November 2019 06: 11 New
      +13
      And what do you think Russia should do?
      You just need to build normal good neighborly relations, without hysteria and populism ... to the common benefit, both economic and political! Whatever happens there - We will still be Neighbors!
      1. Obi-Wan Kenobi
        Obi-Wan Kenobi 26 November 2019 07: 11 New
        +45
        The responsibility for the failures of foreign policy in the post-Soviet space lies primarily with two main departments of the Russian government - the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation.

        The author is a little disingenuous.
        All personal responsibility for the failures of foreign policy lies directly with our GUARANTEE of the Constitution.
        He personally appoints ministers, ambassadors, etc.
        What a guarantor, such and ministers, and, accordingly, foreign policy.
        Our country is ruled by thieves, bribe takers and other scum who do not care about their own people. Moreover, their children and relatives live, study and work abroad.
        Who would want to deal with such a country? What goes around comes around.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 26 November 2019 08: 04 New
          +9
          Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
          The author is a little disingenuous.
          All personal responsibility for the failures of foreign policy lies directly with our GUARANTEE of the Constitution.
          This he personally appoints

          Yes, it struck me too. What does the Foreign Ministry and the admins of the president have to do with it? He himself appoints them all and forms a common agenda. I think the author here simply smooths the corners.
        2. Million
          Million 26 November 2019 08: 32 New
          +8
          All right. The current government is unable to build mutually beneficial cooperation if it does not concern the sale of minerals.
        3. Boris55
          Boris55 26 November 2019 09: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
          This he personally appoints ministers, ambassadors, etc.

          Constitution of the Russian Federation:

          Section 111, paragraph 1. Chairman of the Government Russian Federation assigned The President of the Russian Federation with the consent of the State Duma.

          Section 112, paragraph 2. Chairman of the Government. Russian Federation offers To the President of the Russian Federation candidatures for the posts of Deputy Prime Ministers of the Government of the Russian Federation and federal ministers.

          Article 113 Chairman of the Government Of the Russian Federation in accordance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation, federal laws and decrees of the President of the Russian Federation defines the main activities of the Government Russian Federation and organizes its work.
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 26 November 2019 19: 28 New
            +3
            Quote: Boris55
            Constitution of the Russian Federation:
            Here are orgies with getters, they ordered stellate sturgeon with horseradish, and here you are with your Constitution ... smile
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 27 November 2019 14: 37 New
              0
              Yes, Borya was sick of this Constitution, and why did he list these articles? When it is already known that Putin did not want to appoint Medvedev or any other minister to this post, they would not be there. Boris must at all costs “dissuade” Putin from the fact that it was he who appointed mediocrity to high government posts.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 27 November 2019 14: 45 New
                0
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                and so it is known that

                Oh trollik! The turnover is standard, "this sound tells me a lot" yes

                Bah, yes Fanya-in-a-square! Hi deush, haven't seen each other for a long time! Will we dance? wink laughing
              2. sniperino
                sniperino 27 November 2019 15: 33 New
                +1
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                it is known that Putin does not want
                Kremlin insider staggered by the Constitution?
        4. Alex Nevs
          Alex Nevs 26 November 2019 09: 16 New
          +3
          I agree on almost everything. The main emphasis should be placed on the CAPITAL system. Money is ALL! People endure. And you can talk Beautifully and Anything. Socialism for HUMAN REASONABLE! And "the family is not without a freak." That's all and have become closer to "... not without a freak." And capitalism is Darwin’s law in the wild forest.
        5. LifeIsGood
          LifeIsGood 26 November 2019 10: 21 New
          -12
          An old song about the main thing .... Everything was gone la la la. We all die la la la.
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 27 November 2019 14: 39 New
            -1
            Are you one of those who profit from the people and oil? Or of them sympathizing?
        6. bandabas
          bandabas 26 November 2019 10: 42 New
          +10
          Remember the recent medical checkup for obtaining and replacing a driver’s license? Our guarantor learns everything unexpectedly from the media. Good and comfortable position.
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 27 November 2019 15: 52 New
            -3
            Quote: bandabas
            Remember the recent medical checkup for obtaining and replacing a driver’s license? Our guarantor learns everything unexpectedly from the media. Good and comfortable position.
            What do you think he’s doing there if they don’t even agree on the amount of physical examinations with him? He could pay attention to the prices of prosthetics for pensioners, if there is nothing to do, right? And if we all write together a list for him each about his own, then in what place in the ranking of significant will your physical examination stand?
            1. bandabas
              bandabas 29 November 2019 21: 19 New
              0
              Do not hang lala on your ears. Everything goes to that - Arbeiten for butter and eggs. And, even better, for the "macaroni." I, dear, the harmfulness has disappeared. Since 2008, there has been production without danger. Only graves in a cemetery are up to 50 years old.
        7. Sergey1987
          Sergey1987 26 November 2019 13: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
          for failures of foreign policy

          And do not tell specifically what the failure of foreign policy?
          Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
          What a guarantor, such and ministers, and, accordingly, foreign policy.

          ))) And what does not suit you in foreign policy? I would like specifics, not general phrases.
          Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
          Our country is ruled by thieves, bribe takers and other scum who do not care about their own people. Moreover, their children and relatives live, study and work abroad.

          Well, as usual, the same song. Well, give the names of those who rule our country and, accordingly, by the names of their relatives, where they study, work, live abroad. No chatter, pure facts.
          1. Obi-Wan Kenobi
            Obi-Wan Kenobi 26 November 2019 14: 23 New
            -8
            Well, give the names of those who rule our country

            Well, if you do not know the names of the leaders of your country, then this, at a minimum, speaks of your mental development. In this regard, I have nothing to talk about with you.
            Raise your intelligence yourself. I didn’t hire lectures for you.
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 26 November 2019 15: 10 New
              +6
              Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
              Well, give the names of those who rule our country

              Well, if you do not know the names of the leaders of your country, then this, at a minimum, speaks of your mental development. In this regard, I have nothing to talk about with you.
              Raise your intelligence yourself. I didn’t hire lectures for you.

              Yes No! It speaks of someone's cowardice! Because when they ask ... answer - and I’m Che, I’m not Che ....
              Scary with Last Names, the Accuser? laughing
              1. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 27 November 2019 14: 42 New
                -3
                And you don’t know who has public palaces like the landowners of the times of Catherine II and the millions of salaries? What are you pretending to be?
                1. Sergey1987
                  Sergey1987 28 November 2019 13: 31 New
                  0
                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  And you don’t know who has public palaces like the landowners of the times of Catherine II and the millions of salaries? What are you pretending to be?

                  Give the names and photos of the houses.
            2. Sergey1987
              Sergey1987 26 November 2019 15: 11 New
              +6
              Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
              Well, if you do not know the names of the leaders of your country, then this, at a minimum, speaks of your mental development. In this regard, I have nothing to talk about with you.
              Raise your intelligence yourself. I didn’t hire lectures for you.

              Well, as I thought.)))))))))) You cannot answer these simple questions. Because people like you lie to lies. Sluggish attempt to get away from the answer. Well, OK. Let's concretize. Where they live abroad, where they work, where the children of Putin, Medvedev, Lavrov, Shoigu study for a start. Let’s talk, facts to the studio.
              1. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 26 November 2019 15: 36 New
                +2
                Yes, he will not answer laughing because how scary! yes just fart in a puddle ...
              2. Obi-Wan Kenobi
                Obi-Wan Kenobi 26 November 2019 19: 07 New
                -4
                Here is a link for you, then yourself:
                https://zen.yandex.ru/media/kak_svalit/deti-chinovnikov-patriotichno-jivuscie-za-granicei-5b94a83e04327700ab9a7243
                1. Sergey1987
                  Sergey1987 27 November 2019 13: 31 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
                  Here is a link for you, then yourself:
                  https://zen.yandex.ru/media/kak_svalit/deti-chinovnikov-patriotichno-jivuscie-za-granicei-5b94a83e04327700ab9a7243

                  )))) That is, I have to believe every word to some kind of clown who created the channel and unprovenly writes everything that’s in it?
                  1. Before Putin’s daughters, he himself said that they live and work in Russia, if you are inclined to believe the channel I’m dumping, then let these clowns provide evidence.
                  2. About the son of Medvedev this generally lies. He graduated from MGIMO a long time ago and before writing that he allegedly:
                  said in an interview that he would continue his studies at the University of Massachusetts in the USA.
                  Let them show the video of this interview.
                  3. According to Lavrov, this is not even nonsense, but here you have to think with your head what you do not want to do. Of course, his daughter graduated from Columbia University because she lived in New York, and she lived in New York because her father lived there, due to the fact that he was from 1994 to 2004 - Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the United Nations and in the UN Security Council.
                  4. By Zheleznyak, are you really going to believe everything that this bulk creature wrote? Is he not your favorite liberal? Moreover, Zhukov explained his income.
                  5. According to Zhukov. His son worked abroad for a while. worked in foreign banks. Now lives in Moscow.

                  That is really tired of each item in all the comments explaining everything and everything to give. Do not want to read anything and think about something. If only to find nonsense unproven in a couple of lines and everyone is happy. This is not evidence.
                  And most importantly another. It is normal to send children studying abroad. We’ve been practicing this since Peter the Great. Well, according to your crazy logic, if a person sent a child to study abroad, then it means immediately a traitor to the homeland. According to some sources, Xi Jinping’s daughter studied at Harvard, and some relatives live in Australia and Canada. And Van Junin, a member of the Politburo Standing Committee, once worked at the University of Iowa and the University of California. Are they also traitors to the homeland?
                  The Communist Party spread these nonsense at one time in the USSR, and at one time it was in Western Europe and it was doing the revolution with German money.
                  1. Fan-fan
                    Fan-fan 27 November 2019 14: 49 New
                    -2
                    And here is what I found:
                    The eldest daughter of the president of Russia four times changed his name in order to avoid publicity. However, the press operates with only two surnames - Faassen and Vorontsova. How Maria married Dutch businessman Jorrit Faassen - the press is silent, photos are also missing on the Internet. Now Maria and Jorrit live in the south of the Netherlands (the city of Vorschoten), raise a son who, most likely, has the status of a citizen of the European Union.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 27 November 2019 15: 16 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Fan-Fan
                      And here is what I found ...

                      ... under your pillow, go ... or in an even more intimate place ...

                      References must be given to "where discovered "... a miracle request
                    2. Sergey1987
                      Sergey1987 28 November 2019 13: 39 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Fan-Fan
                      And here is what I found:

                      Direct detective))))) He discovered. Personally in the Netherlands was? And personally in the city I met Putin’s daughter.))))) One chatter. You did not find it, but read it on the Internet.
                      I also found here.
                      According to information circulated in Western and Russian media, Maria is married to Dutchman Yorrit Joost Faassen, a businessman, a former top manager of Gazprombank and the Russian consulting group MEF Audit. The media mentioned that for some time Mary lived in the Dutch city of Vorschoten, but Putin in 2015 claimed that none of his daughters had ever lived abroad. As of 2015, Maria Faassen is a graduate of the Faculty of Fundamental Medicine of Moscow State University (according to The New Times, she studied as Maria Vladimirovna Vorontsova), candidate of medical sciences, specialist in the field of endocrinology. Co-author of a scientific study on the topic "The state of the antioxidant system of blood in patients with acromegaly." He is an employee of the Endocrinology Research Center in Moscow, participates in the charity project of the Alfa Endo Foundation, funded by Alfa Group, whose goal is to help children with diseases of the endocrine system. Co-owner of Nomeco, a company involved in the implementation of the largest private cancer investment project in Russian healthcare; its value is estimated at 40 billion rubles.
                2. sniperino
                  sniperino 27 November 2019 16: 00 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
                  ... / kak_svalit / deti ...
                  Spamming emigration ads?
            3. sniperino
              sniperino 26 November 2019 19: 06 New
              +2
              Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
              Well, if you do not know the names of the leaders of your country, then this, at a minimum, speaks of your mental development.
              Nothing says anything about your mental development. request You about the relatives of these leaders, but you don’t even finish reading. Lectures, say, read? The trouble ...
          2. ltc35
            ltc35 26 November 2019 18: 10 New
            +1
            The failure of foreign policy is evident. Russia has no friends, not even lured ones. And the names of our leaders, whose children are attached abroad are too famous to pronounce them aloud laughing laughing
            I would say more: they can be tired of listing!
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 26 November 2019 19: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: ltc35
              Russia has no friends, not even lured ones.
              Do you have friends, at least lured?
              1. ltc35
                ltc35 26 November 2019 19: 56 New
                +1
                There is. But I would not say that. I help all my friends. Even when I need it myself, without demanding anything in return. But I get more in return. They respect me and always listen, ask my opinion on various issues. And the "lured" just do not interfere with life. Something like this.
            2. Sergey1987
              Sergey1987 27 November 2019 13: 35 New
              +2
              Quote: ltc35
              The failure of foreign policy is evident. Russia has no friends, not even lured ones.

              And let's give specifics? What is the failure of foreign policy and what are friends in your understanding?
              Quote: ltc35
              And the names of our leaders, whose children are attached abroad are too famous,

              So, give evidence to the studio.) You all know.)))
              1. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 27 November 2019 14: 54 New
                0
                That clown, at least read the article? What are the failures? And whoever lost Ukraine, before Putin, Ukraine at the very least, but didn’t particularly go to Europe and lick the Americans, and now Russia has received hostile states on almost all its borders. Good politics!
                1. Sergey1987
                  Sergey1987 28 November 2019 14: 04 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  That clown, at least read the article? What are the failures? And who lost Ukraine

                  The clown is only you. Dill is that pencil that you can lose?
                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  before Putin, Ukraine, at the very least, but didn’t particularly go to Europe and lick the Americans,

                  What do you know there, what was Ukraine like? Did you live in it? Have you ever been there? And I, unlike you, lived under independent Ukraine, apart from the Ukrainian SSR. And I know better than you what was there and how it was. Very large and systematic work was done from the 26st and all significant money poured into it. All the young politicians of the 91s underwent various internships in the United States. And already in the 90s it was talked about joining the EU and work was carried out on propaganda about joining NATO. 90 and 2004 were being prepared. For this, the Russian Federation received a hostile government, and not the state of Ukraine.
                  And most importantly another. Clowns like you are the only ones who can do crazy krtikanstvo. Or tell me, what should the Russian Federation have been doing for the last 20 years in relation to Ukraine?
                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  received hostile states on almost all its borders

                  Look at the map, kid. What are almost all boundaries? This is China, Japan, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Finland are hostile?)))))) Think about your head.
        8. Victor N
          Victor N 26 November 2019 17: 28 New
          +3
          If citizens allow themselves to insult and blame their country, then foreigners will not respect it anymore.
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 27 November 2019 14: 57 New
            -4
            We are not blaming the country, but blaming the stupid leadership. An example is Singapore: their prime minister, Lee Kuan Yew, came to power at the head of the left-wing party, his whole policy was aimed at creating an owner, not a dependent. There are no unemployment benefits in Singapore, and unemployment is only 2%. There are no impoverished areas in Singapore: the city is amazing with greenery, cleanliness and beauty everywhere. The key moment of Li Kuan Yu’s reforms was the creation of a system of individual retirement accounts, the money for which was partly taken from the employee and partly from the employer. On the security of this account, an employee could buy an apartment and Singapore quickly became a state of private owners - owners of apartments. And the policy, which, while still a student, selects the best officials and gives them gigantic salaries, led to a paradoxical and unplayable result outside of Singapore. Singapore is the only country in the world where state-owned corporations are more successful than private ones.
            There was such an opportunity as Kuan Yu and our president. And the power was higher than the roof, and oil at a sky-high price, and the people were ready to work for a penny, and foreigners invested and built factories, and small business rose. Everything was. But the fraudulent consciousness turned out to be an insurmountable obstacle to the decision to serve the people and build a progressive state. Yes, and they deceived the people, trusting and naive, believing in the Word and pushed into the rulers of the Chekist, and the Chekists and the Communists, who were interchanged with them, began to rule. Money is not estimated, trillions have been sent and sent west to NATO countries, they are developing their economy, and many officials live there, they have a working shift here. The future of Russia is not visible. More than a quarter of children - the future of Russia, live in poverty.
            1. Gost2012
              Gost2012 27 November 2019 21: 06 New
              +1
              Fan - fan from English, corresponds to ..
            2. Sergey1987
              Sergey1987 2 December 2019 14: 54 New
              0
              As usual, fan. Again, do not bother to either read and carry nonsense. As well as with liberalism and conservatism.
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              An example is Singapore: their Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew came to power at the head of the left party

              Is this a popular action party left? This party is conservative, preaching economic liberalism that you will not see.
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              his entire policy was aimed at creating an owner, not a dependent.

              ))) Yeah. It was written in the party’s charter. And who says the creation of a dependent is written in the charter?
              All that you later wrote about the dairy rivers and the sweet and sour banks of Singapore is certainly good, but it’s really not paradise on earth, and as there are rich and poor everywhere. You still managed to write nonsense.
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              Singapore is the only country in the world where state-owned corporations are more successful than private ones.

              Tell me at least one state-owned corporation in Singapore. And about the only country you certainly made fun of. Are there no more successful state-owned companies anywhere else? Rostec is a state-owned company, its net profit is $ 2 billion, General Dynamics and Raytheon are private and they also have $ 2 billion each. net profit.
        9. Den717
          Den717 26 November 2019 19: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
          Our country is ruled by thieves, bribe takers and other scum who do not care about their own people. Moreover, their children and relatives live, study and work abroad.

          What kind of people, such and guarantors, his chosen ones, and ministers ..... No? How do you choose "rabble" in your management, and now complain about their unsuitable qualities? No need to blame the mirror, if we get it ourselves and pay money for it ... laughing
          Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
          The author is a little disingenuous.

          The author is not a political scientist at all and does not know anything except common truths and newspaper slogans.
          In many ways, the loss of former influence in the post-Soviet republics is connected with the shortcomings of Russian foreign policy. In particular, what happened in Ukraine in the autumn of 2013 - in the winter of 2014 became possible only due to the fact that Moscow completely let the situation in the neighboring state drift

          Well, tell Mr. Polonsky if you are such a critic that Russia had to do and what it did not, specifically, point by point. Without any vagueness and other crap, such as "deepen, establish a competent policy", how to practically "control the situation" in another country? What exactly did the Foreign Ministry not do, and what was the Presidential Administration?
          In order to overcome all the deplorable consequences of the loss of control over the post-Soviet space, it is first necessary to change the very paradigm of perception of the post-Soviet republics as some secondary countries that will not go anywhere from Russia.

          You do not want to understand that it was not the former republics that "disappeared" from Russia, but from the USSR. The RSFSR left the same Union at the time. And the RSFSR in the Union was not the most privileged republic. You’re carrying some kind of nonsense, the claims of the Balts and Ukrainians have been read, how they fed Russia in the Union, and here you are trying to rinse your brain. We, Russia, in the Union should be so "secondary" as the Balts or Georgians .... It would be better if you didn’t write anything, if you don’t have an idea about the subject ... In vain spent time ...
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 27 November 2019 15: 00 New
            -5
            Have you read the article? All your questions are answered in the article. Why are you fooling around or are you just breeding demagogy?
            1. Den717
              Den717 27 November 2019 16: 01 New
              +4
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              Have you read the article? All your questions are answered in the article.

              "Poking" a stranger is not polite. At the expense of answers to questions - there is not one intelligible. You, too, are unlikely to be able to formulate at least one claim in the case, because you do not represent the essence and scope of work of the accused instances, as well as what they have done or not done. Ideally, after recognizing the failure to work with a country, a presidential commission should have been created, similar to the "Malenkov commissions", which would conduct an independent investigation of the causes of these failures, identify the culprits, and designate preventive measures. There would be an opportunity to discuss something. But you don’t need to paint a lot of gossip from the bazaar and mind, and it’s a penny ... Do you like to roll cotton? Read have fun ... your right.
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 26 November 2019 07: 56 New
        +12
        In general, a good article, a sober look, a review of what happened to us over the past 30 years.

        In order to give an adequate assessment of what is happening, you need to consider any achievements that way, in extent. Now it’s customary to scream urya - to any surge. Any positive in the last 3-5 years. It seems like a victory. But if we consider the events at a large headquarters, a different view arises.

        It's like shouting cheers to any goal scored, but not seeing the result of the whole match, which can be lost.
        1. Sergey1987
          Sergey1987 26 November 2019 13: 51 New
          +4
          Quote: Stas157
          In general, a good article, a sober look, a review of what happened to us over the past 30 years.

          laughing Have you read the article at all? She’s not about us, but about our neighbors.
          1. ltc35
            ltc35 26 November 2019 20: 07 New
            +2
            I do not agree. An article about us. About how we stupidly gave everything, and now we are sorry, as it is, but they don’t respect us! But they forgot that they respect first of all those who are strong in spirit, those on whose side the truth is, those who respect their neighbors, pursuing a clear foreign policy that is understandable to their neighbors. But they see the attitude of the authorities towards their own population, and are in no hurry to be friends with Russia, preferring slavery to the West.
            1. Sergey1987
              Sergey1987 28 November 2019 14: 35 New
              0
              Quote: ltc35
              About how we stupidly gave everything, and now we are sorry

              Is the current government to blame?
              Quote: ltc35
              but they don’t respect us

              We are also respected and how. In 2008 they showed that even for our small satellite we can start a war. And after 2014, there was a lot to see at all. For example, if necessary and for our ally, a large-scale military operation not at our borders can start and win. That we can take away territory from another country. They respect this and ask the Russian Federation to participate in the resolution of conflicts in the Middle East and Africa. Therefore, the West is accused of supporting Venezuela. Therefore, they are not just having a dialogue with us, but want to conduct a dialogue and trade, not only our friendly countries in the Middle East, but also our allies.
              Quote: ltc35
              But they forgot that they respect first of all those who are strong in spirit, those on whose side the truth is, those who respect their neighbors, pursuing a clear foreign policy that is understandable to their neighbors.

              One demagogy. Are we not spiritually strong? And there is some kind of device that measures it. The constitution of neighboring countries says that they do not respect countries whose spirit is weak?))))))
              You want to say that there is no truth on our side? Give examples of facts?
              What neighbors do we not respect and in what way is this manifested?
              And about the slurred foreign policy, this is generally ridiculous. It is intelligible and nowhere clearer.
              1. ltc35
                ltc35 28 November 2019 18: 32 New
                +1
                Nearby. Nearby. There is no clear line in relations with the same Central Asian republics. And they, with our tacit consent, let Chinese and other "partners" go there, and they quietly feed the local elite, generously paying for Russophobia. You say that we can easily pick up any territory? We can. And then what to do with this good? Our oligarchs, instead of building new factories in the United States and ultra-modern hospitals in Africa, could do the same in their home country. But no. Instead, the elite has two or even three citizenships. Who will respect us after this? The facade is sparkling, and the floorboards in the house are rotten.
                1. Sergey1987
                  Sergey1987 2 December 2019 16: 32 New
                  0
                  Quote: ltc35
                  There is no clear line in relations with the same Central Asian republics.

                  Are you kidding me? There is nowhere clearer. Mutually beneficial economic and political cooperation in the person of the Customs Union and the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), to which almost all Central Asian countries have entered.
                  Quote: ltc35
                  And they, with our tacit consent, let the Chinese and other "partners" go there.

                  They are not our vassals and have the right to let those investors they want. If we had just pursued such a policy that you wanted and would have indicated to our friendly countries how to build their economic policies, then you would not have had friends, but only enemies.
                  Quote: ltc35
                  and they quietly feed the local elite, generously paying for Russophobia

                  ))) I don’t know who they feed there, just as you don’t know, but if they pay extra for Russophobia, then call me at least one Central Asian ruler who is engaged in Russophobia.
                  Quote: ltc35
                  You say that we can easily pick up any territory? We can. And then what to do with this good?

                  Are we going to take something? It seems not. Well, let's add LDNR, Abkhazia and South Ossetia. So what? There will be 4 new subjects of the Russian Federation and all.
                  Quote: ltc35
                  Our oligarchs instead of building new factories in the United States and ultra-modern hospitals in Africa

                  Name these factories built in the USA. And yes, horror. Mermaid built a hospital in Guinea. Just rascals.
                  Quote: ltc35
                  could do the same in their native country.

                  And they do. Will you list the plants or google yourself? The same Rusal is building the Boguchansky aluminum smelter, built the Khakassky aluminum smelter, together with JSC RusHydro of the BEMO project for the construction of the Boguchansky hydroelectric power station. Since 2010, RUSAL has been implementing the RUSAL Territory competition program, which is aimed at developing social infrastructure and supporting civic initiatives. Within the framework of the program, 100 objects of social infrastructure were built, repaired and re-equipped, grant support was provided to more than 2 thousand cultural, educational and recreational projects of non-profit organizations and social institutions.
                  Quote: ltc35
                  Instead, the elite has two or even three citizenships.

                  What are your last names?
                  Quote: ltc35
                  Who will respect us after this?

                  After what? And for which we are respected already wrote above. Any country is respected for its economic achievements, military force and its ability to solve international problems, but not who has how many passports there.
                  1. ltc35
                    ltc35 2 December 2019 17: 37 New
                    +1
                    I live in Altai. I am engaged in a small business. I am in the villages of my region, neighboring and in Kazakhstan. I communicate with Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks. You have painted such a picture of goodness and happiness that I feel blind. And ... probably I’m not in the same country as you. Have you ever been to the Moscow Ring Road? Or did Oleg tell you all this?
                    1. Sergey1987
                      Sergey1987 3 December 2019 13: 29 New
                      0
                      Quote: ltc35
                      I am in the villages of my region, neighboring and in Kazakhstan. I communicate with Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks.

                      Interestingly you turned upside down. Then write that the West feeds the elite for Russophobia, but in fact it is only your speculation. In fact, you communicate with ordinary people and this is far from an indicator of the general attitude of the majority of the population towards Russians.
                      Quote: ltc35
                      You painted such a picture of kindness and happiness that I feel blind

                      I didn’t write about any milk rivers and jelly banks anywhere about heaven on earth, but I wrote about realities. Feel blind? So see clearly. 90s do not remember the beginning of the 00s? People did not receive salaries for months, there was nothing to eat half of the country, they only dreamed about apartments and cars. Are you starving now? Probably half a year they sat on bread and water, what would you buy a smartphone or laptop from which you are now writing? People now live, but do not exist and can allow, like in other economically developed countries, to buy an apartment on a mortgage, a car and equipment on credit, and still fly off over the hill. And many countries, where do you give money for giving birth? But to you everything is not so. In the 90s, the country was in a political, economic crisis and on the verge of collapse. Now you can live and work calmly.
                      Quote: ltc35
                      And ... probably I’m not in the same country as you. Have you ever been to the Moscow Ring Road?

                      I’ll tell you a secret, but in Krasnodar there is no Moscow Ring Road.)))) Also it is not in Rostov, Simferopol and Voronezh, but my friends and relatives who live there work in various fields and buy their apartments on a mortgage, cars and drive twice in year to relax in Russia and abroad.
                      1. ltc35
                        ltc35 3 December 2019 15: 42 New
                        0
                        Sad So we in Siberia live much worse than you. In the 90s he lived perfectly. He graduated from high school. He didn’t take anything on credit, and, in fact, he wasn’t particularly disadvantaged either then or now. But I see how people live and this is sad. Maybe it’s good there, but I’ll express doubt - I’ve been to many places and don’t see much difference. hi
      3. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 26 November 2019 08: 08 New
        +17
        Quote: Hunter 2
        And what do you think Russia should do?

        Russia, as a state, must create the conditions when a person will be valued, when he will be a sought-after and valuable resource, then and only then we will have weight !!!!
        Stalin's Toast “For Cogs”: - “Do not think that I will say something unusual. I have the simplest, ordinary toast. I would like to drink for the health of people who have few ranks and unenviable ranks, for people who are considered cogs a great state mechanism, but without which we all — the marshals who command the fronts and armies — are, roughly speaking, worthless. Any screw went wrong - and it's over. I raise a toast to the people who are simple, ordinary, modest, to the cogs who keep in state of activity is our great state mechanism in all . Fields of science, economy, military affairs lot of them, their name - Legion, because it is - the tens of millions of people no one writes about them, ranks them not, but they are people who keep us as the base keeps the top. ".
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 26 November 2019 17: 42 New
          +2
          No one in society, and even more so in the state, will not seek your dignity. To achieve respect, everyone should do it. Raising respect for Russia by pouring mud on it and the country's leadership is IMPOSSIBLE! The effect will be the opposite.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 26 November 2019 17: 57 New
            +5
            Quote: Victor N
            No one in society, and even more so in the state, will not seek your dignity.

            but they will increase the retirement age and tax laughing For in a society ruled by money, they are the main advantage.
            Quote: Victor N
            To achieve respect, everyone should do it.
            walking on the bones of competitors wink
            Quote: Victor N
            Raising respect for Russia by pouring mud on it and the country's leadership is IMPOSSIBLE!
            With mud, this very manual stains itself.
            Quote: Victor N
            The effect will be the opposite.
            - this is how sorry? wassat
      4. Geo⁣
        Geo⁣ 26 November 2019 08: 27 New
        +7
        Quote: Hunter 2
        normal good neighborly relations ...

        The republics mentioned in the article are not capable, in the conditions of the modern world, of being independent. And those whose dependence they fall apart from Russia are not interested in preserving the root of "good" in the word "good neighborly" in relation to Russia.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 26 November 2019 09: 12 New
          +5
          Quote: Geo⁣
          The republics mentioned in the article are not capable, in the conditions of the modern world, of being independent.

          that is why they choose the strongest
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 26 November 2019 10: 38 New
            -4
            Quote: Silvestr
            that is why they choose the strongest

            what If you look at the current situation in Central Asia and attach your words to this situation then ..... well, you might as well say that Russia is the strongest ... and this does not fit with your worldview ... however, the dilemma !!!!!
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 26 November 2019 14: 25 New
              -1
              Quote: Serg65
              If you look at the current situation in Central Asia and attach your words to this situation then ..... well, don’t say that Russia is the strongest

              and if you compare Russia not with Asians, but with someone more solid?
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 26 November 2019 14: 37 New
                +6
                Quote: Silvestr
                If you compare Russia not with Asians, but with someone more respectable?

                laughing Sylvester, well this is a banal flood!
                The conversation was over ....
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quote: Geo⁣
                The republics mentioned in the article are not capable, in the conditions of the modern world, of being independent.

                that is why they choose the strongest

                And you start wagging your mind ... how communist wassat
        2. Yuri Simple
          Yuri Simple 26 November 2019 09: 44 New
          +9
          And what, in fact, gives Russia this very “good neighborliness”? What is the use of him, financially, materially and socially? For 30 years, they have diligently pretended that in the Baltic there is not any discrimination of the Russian-speaking, what have they achieved? We pretend that everything is fine with the Russian population of Turkmenistan - what for? Are they scared? Wow! So there are reasons for this? They "contrast", and we "good neighborliness" to them? In other words, they discriminate against our people, and we giggle to them kindly, like: Yes this is garbage, we do not pay attention!
        3. Steen
          Steen 26 November 2019 12: 37 New
          +6
          And the Russian Federation is not dependent of course. Russia depends on the so-called global financial oligarchy, which through the US Federal Reserve, the IMF, the World Bank, the SWIFT system and other institutions of the global "fiscal vertical" controls the financial system of the Russian Federation and, therefore, the Russian economy as such. Russia has lost and sold entire sectors of the economy, fell into dependence on imports of consumer goods, industrial, medical and other equipment, electronics, household appliances, medicines and even food. For that we can talk about who and whose addiction can fall.
        4. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 26 November 2019 13: 05 New
          +6
          Quote: Geo⁣
          The republics mentioned in the article are not capable, in the conditions of the modern world, of being independent.

          Russia, too, you know, is not particularly free. Submissively we give resources in exchange for beads, we are proud of pipes and flows, and from the former Soviet people we make preparations for future wars. We are taught to hate Ukraine, not to trust Belarus, Kazakhstan ... The ideology of the feat has been replaced by the ideology of consumption and now we are no different from the inhabitants of the country of dog hairdressers. I think if we use nuclear weapons we will get the friendly support and approval of the entire Russian people. The cause of Caesar lives and conquers - divide and conquer!
      5. Semurg
        Semurg 26 November 2019 08: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: Hunter 2
        And what do you think Russia should do?
        You just need to build normal good neighborly relations, without hysteria and populism ... to the common benefit, both economic and political! Whatever happens there - We will still be Neighbors!

        Mikhan replaced laughing khe-khe, sensible thoughts began to broadcastlaughing
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 26 November 2019 08: 44 New
          +4
          Aw, citizen ... does your head hurt? fool to the doctor with his cough ...
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 26 November 2019 08: 49 New
            0
            Quote: Hunter 2
            Aw, citizen ... does your head hurt? fool to the doctor with his cough ...

            Not a mihan? Well, it happens that he already registered under a hundred nicknames. He seemed to be a hunting expert, though it could 1.
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 26 November 2019 08: 58 New
              +6
              It happens that the stick shoots. And Men are responsible for the words ... or apologize if they are not right ... but this does not apply to you, never mind.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 26 November 2019 10: 41 New
                +5
                Quote: Hunter 2
                Nevermind.

                Alexey, do not boil! Semgur is Kazakh and understands perfectly well that the author wrote, to put it mildly, complete nonsense! Especially regarding Central Asia and Kazakhstan!
                1. Hunter 2
                  Hunter 2 26 November 2019 11: 16 New
                  +7
                  Sergey welcome hi! Yes, that's it. Everything, they are mistaken. Everything, you just need to be able to admit your mistakes ... and not go on! He didn’t address his message to the author! And alternatively gifted - they also put pluses on him! laughing
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 26 November 2019 11: 23 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Hunter 2
                    He didn’t address his message to the author!

                    laughing There are such misunderstandings after him, a person worries about his country with his soul and is extremely nervous when someone drives a shnyag out of misunderstanding!
                    1. Hunter 2
                      Hunter 2 26 November 2019 11: 30 New
                      +11
                      Poor Vital (Mikhan) - probably hiccups without stopping ... he needs to protect his health, he is the core! Let us consider him a Plus to karma - through Me! bully
                      1. Serg65
                        Serg65 26 November 2019 11: 43 New
                        +11
                        Quote: Hunter 2
                        he needs to be protected, he is the core!

                        laughing Nuuu, Meehan is the most famous and one of the oldest "inhabitants" of VO! A veteran seasoned in “battles”! Long life to him!
              2. Semurg
                Semurg 26 November 2019 17: 40 New
                +1
                The hunter is hysterical, it seems he wrote that your nickname was confused with the local urapatriot "mikhan"
                Quote: Semurg

                Not a mihan? Happenes , .

                Although it seems that he did not write anything offensive in his post, but was simply surprised that the Meehan began to write reasonable things. Or you were so much touched by the fact that you were confused with a mikhan that they began to write about men who are responsible for words, now let's bend your fingers with a fan and put it on the counter. Or ask my address to come for a massacre or a duel, as some have already offered me this option.
      6. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
        Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 26 November 2019 09: 49 New
        +5
        We should not be neighbors, but relatives and a single whole! From the 1991th century to December XNUMX, the Russian Empire and then the Soviet Union were a "melting pot", where nations and nationalities were mixed and fused into a single community. There was power in unity. It is because of this that we won two world wars of the XNUMXth century!
        1. Chit
          Chit 26 November 2019 10: 27 New
          -12
          As for the victory in two world wars did not get excited?
          I recall: Russia lost the First World War. The Entente won the war, of which Russia was a part.
          But thanks to the activities of the Bolsheviks who destroyed the Russian Empire, Russia not only turned out to be removed from the list of winners, but also gave Germany a huge territory as a result of the infamous Brest peace concluded by the Bolsheviks.
          1. 1500014781401
            1500014781401 26 November 2019 12: 21 New
            +7
            And in the Brest peace, Belarusians, like a bag of potatoes, were given to Poland. Then the ancient Belarusian capital Vilna in 1939 was given to the Lithuanians. About the number of concentration camps in Lithuania during the Second World War, where Belarusians were systematically destroyed first in Lithuania, and then Belarus was bashfully shy. In 1945 they gave Bialystok, where until now more than 75% of Belarusians live. Families slaughtered alive. Cheslav Nemen-musician, Maroussia-Ogonek from "Four Tankers ..." at one time were forced to go to their relatives who already live in Poland. And now we go to Lithuania and Poland to our blood relatives ... and this is not the fault of Lukashenko. No one can cancel family ties. About Khatyn, which is so often loved to mention now ... And how was this monument created? And why the Belarusian authors of the project were called to Moscow, Madame Furtseva screamed at them and demanded to raze everything with the ground. Only thanks to Masherov the memory is preserved not only of Khatyn, but also of all the burned villages of Belarus.
          2. Per se.
            Per se. 26 November 2019 12: 22 New
            +16
            Quote: Chit
            But thanks to the activities of the Bolsheviks who destroyed the Russian Empire
            Maybe the Bolsheviks previously and the Russian-Japanese war of 1904-1905 lost? The empire was abolished by the abdication of Nicholas II from the throne, the February Revolution, the First World Tsarist Government mediocrely lost by itself, as well as the war with the Japanese. There was a struggle for leadership, and a strong Russia of the same England was not needed. There would remain power with Kerensky or his ilk, we would have had Chubais and Gaidars not in 1991, but already in 1917, and not with a legacy from the space and nuclear superpower, but with debts from tsarist loans, with complete technological dependence on the West, with a population where a significant portion remained generally illiterate.

            Do not need these "songs" here. The Bolsheviks not only saved Russia from collapse, but also built a great country, on the margin of safety from which the current government is still traveling. As for the Civil War, it was so in ancient Rome, after the transition by Julius Caesar of the Rubicon, and in Britain, and in the USA, this is a historical regularity during the change of power. Not the fact that a civil war in Russia would not have arisen without the Bolsheviks, the same General Kornilov could well have unleashed a war between the monarchists and pro-Western "democrats."

            More than 28 years have passed, after 1991, there is no "economic miracle" in Russia on capitalism, but there is a dependence of the "elite" on the West, on those where they keep their money. The reductions and “optimizations” in industry continue; health care and education, science and culture are falling. Selling raw materials and Soviet military know-how is the main destiny of the current development of the country, "squeezing a lemon" from the Soviet superpower.
          3. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
            Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 26 November 2019 13: 02 New
            +1
            Well, in my humble and unhistorical opinion, we won the WWII, too, and then in 1939-40. almost returned everything you need! Well, the Straits missed - but another question, would they give us after the victory in the WWI, if the revolution was empirically excluded from the course of events of 1917. I’m certain that the Anglo-Saxons would have thrown RI here too! ... Maybe they would give a piece of the Ottoman Empire, or maybe not.
            But all this is already dirty alternativeism, which, although I read, I can’t stand it !!!
      7. demo
        demo 26 November 2019 13: 20 New
        +7
        We have normally built relationships with the Baltic states. At the beginning of the "route" a huge amount of cargo went through their ports. They were in a single energy system. They shipped us their dairy and fish products.
        It is not known to me how much they earned on this, but today everything is approaching zero.
        I don’t want to talk about Ukraine. Hundreds of billions of dollars passed through them from us.
        So what?
        Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan - the same story.
        And when they reached their bottom, then they received enlightenment.
        And the handymen and janitors went to Russia.
        I won’t talk about Belarus. Only the lazy have not yet spoken.
        The softer and more pliable Russia, the more impudent and rude neighbor.
        If wrong - correct.
    2. APES
      APES 26 November 2019 06: 14 New
      +1
      If you do not demonize Russia and do not emphasize your differences from it, the question will inevitably arise, why was it necessary to separate and create your own sovereign state? AND

      Well said what
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 26 November 2019 08: 45 New
        +4
        Quote: APES
        If you do not demonize Russia and do not emphasize your differences from it, the question will inevitably arise, why was it necessary to separate and create your own sovereign state? AND

        Well said what

        Badly said, at least with respect to the Kazakhs. The dream of the Kazakhs about their state, which when the union seemed not real, turned into reality. My generation of those born under the union will leave, they will leave the government and the new generation will build relations as neighbors without nostalgia for the union. Where with the union in their youth, and apples were sweeter and dawning morning brighter.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 26 November 2019 10: 48 New
          +6
          Quote: Semurg
          The dream of the Kazakhs about their state, which when the union seemed not real, turned into reality

          We welcome Semgur, I may not be right, but it seems to me that without the Soviet past and modern Kazakhstan there wouldn’t be!
          Quote: Semurg
          the new generation will build relations as a state

          Now isn’t it?
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 26 November 2019 17: 24 New
            +3
            Greetings. We can assume such an option, but there is what it is. Kazakhs have their own state. At the expense of today's realities, the Russian political elite does not yet fully understand that the Republic of Kazakhstan, albeit an ally, has its own interests and its own vision of the world around it.
        2. AAK
          AAK 26 November 2019 19: 16 New
          +3
          At first, Russia saved the Kazakhs from extermination by the Dzungars, then - education, medicine, subsoil exploration, industry, transport, agriculture, science ... As a result - "thank you, big brother aka", then I’ll develop cup-jacks myself, you just pay for Baikonur, for Sary-Shagan ... As a result, finish with the Xinjiang-Kazakh Autonomous Okrug ...
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 26 November 2019 20: 04 New
            +3
            Big brother aka thanks for everything. You don't care how the grateful little brother ends.
            1. AAK
              AAK 27 November 2019 12: 56 New
              +1
              Brother - has grown, choice is his, consequences are also his
              1. Semurg
                Semurg 27 November 2019 15: 20 New
                0
                Of course all the consequences of it. Bro you are ours laughing Smile and wave.
                1. AAK
                  AAK 27 November 2019 21: 46 New
                  0
                  I'm not your bro, eat a besh-barmak, and the Chinese brothers will soon teach you to smile
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 27 November 2019 09: 59 New
            +3
            Quote: AAK
            At first, Russia saved the Kazakhs from extermination by the Dzungars

            Then the Kazakhs defended Moscow!
            Quote: AAK
            Eventually

            As a result, Kazakhstan accepted hundreds of thousands of refugees and wounded during the Second World War.
            Quote: AAK
            Further, I myself will develop coupe-jacques

            laughing So there was no need to sing .. Change! require our hearts! And now I would not have to cry for lost time!
            1. AAK
              AAK 27 November 2019 13: 08 New
              -1
              Moscow was protected by the whole country and also the merit of the whole country that the war did not reach Kazakhstan.
              Kazakhstan took hundreds of thousands of refugees to the war, after 1991 - also sent hundreds of thousands, if not a million refugees.
              It’s not a song about changes, what happened happened, and new bais, beks and khans yearned for changes, perhaps even more. Well, perhaps only those who are forced to leave Kazakhstan not of their own will cry. I don’t cry about the collapse of the USSR, after the metamorphoses of the party-economic nomenclature in the 60s and 80s, there could no longer be another way, everything was already lost. Well, before the merging and neo-empire - for voluntary - the conditions have not yet come and will not come soon, but there will be no more violent one, Russia does not need it
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 27 November 2019 14: 20 New
                -1
                Quote: AAK
                new buy-ins, beks and khans longed for change, perhaps even more.

                Those. Do you think that the "new Kazakhs" did not sleep at night, thought how to pick up the Soviet regime?
                Quote: AAK
                after 1991 - also sent hundreds of thousands, if not a million refugees.

                what Directly kicked out? Or there .... raped, heads cut ... how was it?
                Quote: AAK
                I do not cry about the collapse of the USSR

                Well, if you don’t cry, then why is all your writing?
                Quote: AAK
                Russia does not need it

                And what does Russia need?
                1. AAK
                  AAK 27 November 2019 22: 08 New
                  +2
                  To put it mildly, your reasoning is strange, colleague, especially regarding the commentary on the reasons for the Russians leaving the national republics. In Kazakhstan, with the exception of the south, such things happened, as a rule, without particularly cruel illegal excesses, but the situation is still unpleasant, the Russians left there and continue to leave, so there are reasons ..
                  It is not only the Kazakhs, new or old, that in each of the national republics since the late 80s the entire national "elite" dreamed of steering independently, and only received money and funds from the center. In the 70s - 90s I had a lot of trips around the USSR, including repeatedly visited the Caucasus and Central Asia, incl. and in Kazakhstan, so in some places the Soviet government didn’t even smell at that time, one should not dream of overthrowing what wasn’t, and only then it became interesting ...
                  Scribble, and quite mocking and shameless, I can name your comments. I really don’t cry for the USSR, there are reasons
                  If you are quoting, then do not pull the words out of context, I wrote that Russia does not need violent imperialism if you are a supporter of the reconstruction of the USSR "... on the bayonets of the Red Army, which brings the light of liberation to the world proletariat ..", then you need to write in others portals ..
                  But Russia needs to recreate a normal economy, equip a decent life for all categories of its citizens, and to strengthen the defense
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 28 November 2019 11: 29 New
                    -1
                    Quote: AAK
                    To put it mildly, your reasoning is strange

                    Well, I already realized that your UM blocks the sun from the inhabitants of the earth!
                    Quote: AAK
                    In Kazakhstan, with the exception of the south, such things happened, as a rule, without particularly cruel illegal excesses

                    And in the south, then there were illegal actions? Is not it?
                    Quote: AAK
                    the situation is still unpleasant, the Russians left there and continue to leave, so there are reasons ..

                    What is not particularly pleasant is that the Russians leave Russia as well ... so there are reasons?
                    Although I agree with you, there really is a reason! Mostly those who lived in Kazakhstan for 5-10 years left, their fathers, mothers, sisters and brothers were in Russia, nothing kept them in Kazakhstan!
                    Quote: AAK
                    repeatedly visited the Caucasus and Central Asia,

                    You have been, but I know you grew up there and you won’t believe ... now I am there too!
                    Quote: AAK
                    in some places, the Soviet government didn’t really smell at that time

                    laughing You really made me laugh now! In those days, at a distance of 100 km from Moscow, there wasn’t much smell, and in Moscow itself, to be honest, the smell was faint!
                    Quote: AAK
                    one cannot dream of overthrowing that which is not

                    laughing Interesting again! SMART man, and someone overthrew the Soviet government?
                    Quote: AAK
                    Scribble, and quite mocking and shameless, I can name your comments

                    What I can not say about your, well, very SMART sayings!
                    Quote: AAK
                    I wrote,

                    what You wrote???? Oh, but I thought it was a sinful thing that you were engaged in demagogy ... like Griboedov ... Woe from Wit?
                    Quote: AAK
                    Russia does not need violent imperialism

                    My friend, where did you go? Rapprochement of congenial states is an alliance! And this union is unlikely to lead to the merging of these states! And you know why? Because the policy of Russia as a girl on extradition, any change of power in Russia leads to dramatic changes in both foreign policy and domestic policy! And this is a very big deterrent!
                    Quote: AAK
                    You are a supporter of the reconstruction of the USSR

                    laughing This is your UM prompted you this?
                    Quote: AAK
                    then you need to write on other portals ..

                    laughing Yes with a fig whether girls went on a walk? This is just not your mind!
                    Quote: AAK
                    Russia needs to recreate a normal economy, equip a decent life for all categories of its citizens, and strengthen defense

                    belay what Does this prevent anyone?
                    hi Yours faithfully! Always happy to chat with you!
                    1. AAK
                      AAK 28 November 2019 12: 58 New
                      0
                      Colleague, do not abuse the uppercase letters in the comments (symptom, however) and do not lose the logical sequence (first write one, then mutually exclusive another) and still remove the flag from the avatar, it's not yours ...
                      1. Serg65
                        Serg65 28 November 2019 14: 30 New
                        -1
                        Quote: AAK
                        do not lose logical sequence

                        laughing Mister teacher, painful conceit is hiding behind your snobbery ...
                        hi Good luck to you!
                      2. AAK
                        AAK 28 November 2019 19: 56 New
                        -2
                        I apologize, colleague, that I decided to enter into a polemic with you, did not take into account that it is useless with a latent TIR carrier. Sorry to bother you again, get well soon
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 26 November 2019 21: 17 New
        0
        Quote: Semurg
        My generation of those born under the union will leave, they will leave the government and the new generation will build relations as neighbors without nostalgia for the union.

        And there you look, and from Kazakhstan there will be nothing left like from other specific principalities.
        Quote: Semurg
        The dream of the Kazakhs about their state, which when the union seemed not real, turned into reality.

        Yeah, for a few 10 percent of Kazakhs, the dream came true. And the rest will wait. laughing
  2. APES
    APES 26 November 2019 06: 16 New
    +10
    What can a rich-impoverished Russia do with its

    And you don’t have to do anything with them. Russia will live happily and richly they themselves will stretch back ....
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 26 November 2019 09: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: APES
      Russia will live happily and richly they themselves will stretch back ....

      when this happens, the population in the post-Soviet space will have completely different priorities in life and then they will not need Russia.
      1. APES
        APES 26 November 2019 09: 48 New
        +3
        completely different priorities in life

        The main priority of anyone is the pursuit of happiness, or to live well :) and to live well in the post-Soviet space without Russia is not possible, purely for economic reasons.
        This is discarding all ideology
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 26 November 2019 10: 51 New
          0
          Quote: APES
          completely different priorities in life

          The main priority of anyone is the pursuit of happiness, or to live well :) and to live well in the post-Soviet space without Russia is not possible, purely for economic reasons.
          This is discarding all ideology

          Economic, infrastructural, cultural, and transport links are strong among the post-Soviet republics and the Russian Federation, but this will not be forever. And your postulate that it’s not good to live well without the Russian Federation is false.
          1. APES
            APES 26 November 2019 11: 00 New
            +3
            the postulate that it’s good to live without the Russian Federation

            Get out wink
            One example: no one will sell Ukrainian fat in Europe. crying
            Simply economy: the Russian Federation for the former republics of the USSR is the main market.
            Or is Georgian wine particularly in demand in Italy?
            Or are Belarusian shrimps waiting in Iceland? recourse
            And so everything flows - everything changes.
            1. WIKI
              WIKI 26 November 2019 14: 17 New
              +3
              Quote: APES
              Simply economy: the Russian Federation for the former republics of the USSR is the main market.

              Lard and wine say. Or maybe you need to do like the Chinese. "Smart Chinese invest in infrastructure, give loans - they have a lot of not only African but also Asian countries in bondage. Because these loans are very difficult to pay. This is an infrastructure that goes into your charge as a manager. You get operating income from this. Well, maybe he’s somehow doing everything in his mind? Maybe he’s taken an example from the great and mighty Chinese brothers, who didn’t just give a loan, built at the expense of their Chinese construction companies, at the expense of Chinese equipment used to build these facilities.

              And then, if you are poor - well, say, Pakistan or Bangladesh - and couldn’t pay it off, you will lease these same Chinese people. And they receive operating income. This is a wise policy. Cynical but wise. "
            2. Semurg
              Semurg 26 November 2019 15: 37 New
              +1
              At the beginning of 2000, the Russian Federation was the main trading partner for the republics, but as you say, everything flows and everything changes. Today, for Kazakhstan, for example, the Russian Federation is in 3rd place. And the downward trend in trade remains even despite the formation of the EAEC.
          2. Winnie76
            Winnie76 26 November 2019 15: 09 New
            +2
            Quote: Semurg
            And your postulate that it’s not good to live well without the Russian Federation is false.

            And who among our former lives well?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 26 November 2019 17: 25 New
              -2
              Azerbaijan lives well.
          3. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 26 November 2019 21: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: Semurg
            Economic, infrastructural, cultural, and transport links are strong among the post-Soviet republics and the Russian Federation.

            Because it is logical. But to cut it all is utter nonsense. But some professional Kazakhs do not have the tenacity to ride a rake, as well as other professional Russians, Ukrainians and other Jews
            Quote: Semurg
            And your postulate that it’s not good to live well without the Russian Federation is false.

            Well, yes, of course you can live without Russia, but not for long. laughing By the way, how is the introduction of the Latin alphabet going on in European Europe? When will Kazakhstan get rid of the hard heritage of a totalitarian past? And yes, when is the next stage there with the demolition of monuments and other decommunization? laughing
        2. Mouse
          Mouse 26 November 2019 18: 56 New
          +5
          Quote: APES
          This is discarding all ideology

          having discarded all ideology ... the fish is looking for where deeper, the man is where it is better ... he will find, and there he will no longer push through ... wink
      2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
        Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 26 November 2019 09: 59 New
        0
        Alas, I am not a prophet - and this is also possible ... However, no - we are so much connected with Russia from the past for thousands of years that a break is impossible!
      3. Serg65
        Serg65 26 November 2019 10: 49 New
        +4
        Quote: Silvestr
        when that happens

        it has already happened!
    2. Yuri Simple
      Yuri Simple 26 November 2019 09: 50 New
      -2
      Is it right to reach for yourself? And who will give them something to reach for? Such an approach is a direct road to inciting wars and conflicts along the entire periphery of Russian borders. For those are a wonderful way to prevent them from “reaching out”. And none of the “partners” will miss him, of course. Too comfortable.
  3. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 26 November 2019 06: 24 New
    +13
    Quote: Pessimist22
    What can a rich, impoverished Russia do with its former republics?

    The question must be put differently:
    What can attract neighboring republics with a feudal-oligarchic structure and what will be the benefits of this attraction for the peoples of Russia?
    And then, behind a huge number of plans and breakthroughs, we forget about those whose life purpose is a fair life in their own country and hope for the future of children and grandchildren, - about themselves - ordinary citizens living in the Russian Federation itself, where:
    Article 3
    1. The bearer of sovereignty and the only source of power in the Russian Federation is its multinational people.
    2. The people exercise their power directly, as well as through government bodies and local governments.
    3. The highest direct expression of the power of the people is a referendum and free elections.
    4. No one can appropriate power in the Russian Federation. The seizure of power or the appropriation of power is prosecuted under federal law.

    hi
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 26 November 2019 09: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: ROSS 42
      we forget about those whose life purpose is equitable life in one’s own country

      The problem is that everyone has a different concept of justice. Here, for example, Chubais believes that if several million died out on the path to capitalism, then it’s okay, they just didn’t fit in and this is fair in his opinion, but not in my opinion.

      About the third article ...
      The people, through the election mechanism, exercise all these rights, and no one prevents them from doing so. The question is that the people, because of a misunderstanding of the management processes, are not able to chip in and push Uncle Vanya out of the neighboring entrance, but choose from the fact that the bourgeois are slipping it.
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      2. DEDPIHTO
        DEDPIHTO 26 November 2019 13: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: Boris55
        Quote: ROSS 42
        we forget about those whose life purpose is equitable life in one’s own country

        The problem is that everyone has a different concept of justice. Here, for example, Chubais believes that if several million died out on the path to capitalism, then it’s okay, they just didn’t fit in and this is fair in his opinion, but not in my opinion.
        Where did Chubais see the concept of justice? This is selfishness in a cube! - those who climbed to the top of oligarchic capitalism on the corpses of millions.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 26 November 2019 13: 46 New
          +4
          Quote: DEPHIHTO
          Where did Chubais see the concept of justice?

          Try to understand the meaning of what I wrote.
          From the point of view of Chubais - this is fair.
          From my point of view, this is not fair.
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 26 November 2019 11: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: ROSS 42
      What can attract neighboring republics with a feudal-oligarchic structure and what will be the benefits of this attraction for the peoples of Russia?

      A counter question .. and what can attract the neighboring republics with the feudal-communist system?
      \
      Quote: ROSS 42
      4. No one can usurp power in the Russian Federation. The seizure of power or the appropriation of power is prosecuted by federal law..

      repeat Yuri Vasilyevich, I wildly apologize, but you yourself probably did not want to, did you define an article for yourself?
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 26 November 2019 11: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: Serg65
        Yuri Vasilyevich, I wildly apologize, but you yourself probably did not want to, did you define an article for yourself?

        I can only agree or not with the proposed direction of reform. Therefore, I say that the gulf between the low-income and the "super-profitable" will not disappear, only because salary indexation will be carried out exponentially (by the same percentage). I do not want to agree with the 20% VAT that the buyer pays at the store. Not happy with personal income tax ...
        The economic slavery itself, in which a large part of the population is placed, (when there is only enough income) is also abhorrent to me.
        I do not consider a holiday at the time of the plague.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 26 November 2019 13: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: ROSS 42
          I can only agree or not

          what Somehow you misty and unusual expressed your thought!
          Quote: ROSS 42
          the gap between the low-income and the "super-profitable" will not disappear

          And she, this abyss never disappeared!
          Quote: ROSS 42
          I do not want to agree with the 20% VAT that the buyer pays at the store. Not happy with personal income tax ...

          Well, I am also not happy with VAT, although I understand that this VAT is from the cost of goods, and not from its retail price. Personal income tax - 13%, well, under the Union, Income was 12%, almost the same ... although no, + 6% for childlessness ... total 18%.
          Quote: ROSS 42
          economic slavery

          What is this slavery expressed in, could you expand on this topic?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 26 November 2019 14: 15 New
            +4
            Quote: Serg65
            And she, this abyss never disappeared!

            This is where you saw the abyss in the Union?
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 26 November 2019 14: 23 New
              +3
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              This is where you saw the abyss in the Union?

              The gulf? To buy a moped, I, the son of a joiner and a nurse, had to go to work at the factory when I was 14 years old, and my neighbor Arkashka, the son of a merchandiser and head of a convoy, the desire to buy the same moped was worth only one word “I want”! This is one part of the abyss ..... I can also recall in other parts wink
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 26 November 2019 14: 30 New
                +1
                Quote: Serg65
                to the son of a merchandiser and head of a convoy

                And did the merchandiser with the deputy have labor incomes, or didn’t sleep at night, waved censers from the OBKhSS? Otherwise, Colonel Zakharchenko and the district police officer Aniskin can be cited as an example.
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 26 November 2019 14: 56 New
                  +1
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  And the merchandiser with the deputy had labor income

                  Their labor incomes were very different from unearned ones, and you know that very well!
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 26 November 2019 15: 21 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Serg65
                    Their labor incomes were very different from unearned ones, and you know that very well!

                    Naturally. Therefore, I write that they most likely went under the article. Or maybe not, because the head of the motorcade had different salaries every two or three times more than the joiner's. But this is far from the abyss in the color of current realities. If the minister in the USSR received ten times more janitor, today he gets 50 times more.
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 27 November 2019 09: 44 New
                      -1
                      Quote: mordvin xnumx
                      most likely under article went

                      Under the article, the floor of the Union went!
                      Quote: mordvin xnumx
                      the head of the motorcade was in various ways the salary was two or three times greater than that of the joiner.

                      The salary of 80 rubles was different, but the motorcade, which was headed by Valery Sergeyevich, was co-trading ... continue to continue?
                      Quote: mordvin xnumx
                      If the minister in the USSR received ten times more janitor, today he gets 50 times more.

                      Sovminovskaya cleaner received as a nurse, but went, unlike the last, all in gold ......
                      P.S. You asked a question
                      Quote: mordvin xnumx
                      This is where you saw the abyss in the Union?

                      I answered you!
              2. Petrol cutter
                Petrol cutter 26 November 2019 20: 36 New
                +2
                “In order to buy a moped, I, the son of a joiner and a nurse, had to go to the factory at the age of 14,”
                I beg of you. The abyss! Moped! ... what
                You will laugh, but at fourteen, my mother also took me to the More factory for summer vacations. And many did. Even the grandson of the OK chief was present there. In the transport workshop, I washed cars.
                No one died. Moreover, I will say, I even had a certain pride in this matter. I, and in a secret factory !!! fellow
                Yes, and some money is paid there!
                None of the boys saw anything further than the checkpoint, and I walked along the Bison! What a twist! That’s why it’s worth living! Then he seemed to me gigantic !!!
                And it’s not very much that we worked with you there for fourteen years actually ... hi
                And right now, I earned a new bike for a long time and tediously at the same enterprise. And the returns from me are many times greater now.
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 27 November 2019 09: 51 New
                  -1
                  Vitaly is not that
                  Quote: Benzorez
                  not much, then we worked with you there for fourteen years, actually ..

                  And the fact that people under the Union didn’t live the same .... there were rich people, there were middle hands, but there were poor people ... talk about it!
                  Quote: Benzorez
                  You will laugh

                  I won’t laugh, because my work began early ... if you want something, go to work, give half of what you earned to your mother, the rest is yours! -Father's words! And I do not complex from this! By the way, I treat my sons the same wink
  4. Civil
    Civil 26 November 2019 07: 41 New
    +6
    Reasons 2, one stems from the other.
    1. Russia did not create an attractive socio-economic formation, after a strong shock of the 90s, Russian society did not rally, but fell apart into rival groups and hatskraynikov.
    2. Enemies immediately took advantage of this both in the West and in the East. Inciting and financing Russophobia.
    Russia is still in a mode of collapse and decline. At critical moments, its elite, such as the Decembrists, tried to adjust the development vector. And now, well, where did the speculators come from, if only they would have state thinking.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 26 November 2019 11: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: Civil
      And now, well, where did the speculators come from, if only they would have state thinking.

      laughing Meanwhile, in Central Asia, Russian goods are stubbornly ousting Chinese competitors from the market, with the FSB in Kazakhstan, the Maidan funded by Grandfather Soros was literally recently prevented, economic ties are becoming denser, but I agree ... there is still a lot of work to do!
      1. Talgat 148
        Talgat 148 26 November 2019 14: 25 New
        +1
        Interesting about Maidan in QZ, tell me please!
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 26 November 2019 14: 29 New
          0
          Quote: Talgat 148
          about Maidan in QZ, tell me please!

          On October 26 in Almaty and Nur Sultan what happened, you, as I understand it, a categorical unwillingness to remember?
  5. Serg65
    Serg65 26 November 2019 10: 32 New
    +3
    Quote: Pessimist22
    What can a rich, impoverished Russia do with its former republics?

    Yes, just face them!
  6. Vadim237
    Vadim237 26 November 2019 10: 33 New
    -4
    Well, and Russia definitely should not feed these republics at its own expense.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 26 November 2019 11: 45 New
      +5
      Quote: Vadim237
      Russia should definitely not feed Russia at its own expense

      And someone asks to feed her?
  7. NF68
    NF68 26 November 2019 16: 09 New
    +2
    Quote: Pessimist22
    What can a rich, impoverished Russia do with its former republics?


    Is Russia obliged to be a cash cow for its former republics and certainly give them something?
  • Same lech
    Same lech 26 November 2019 05: 26 New
    +13
    On what basis should Russia be friends with its neighbors?
    Almost all of them have one goal in using Russia as a cash cow ... to take loans from her for free, use natural resources for her own purposes and give empty promises of friendship and good neighborliness in return without guaranteeing anything ... a great position.
    1. Far B
      Far B 26 November 2019 05: 53 New
      0
      And we, it turns out, are such lozenges in the leadership of the state, what are these promises being kept?
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 26 November 2019 05: 56 New
        +11
        And we, it turns out, are such lozenges in the leadership of the state, what are these promises being kept?

        Well, they have forgiven billions of debts to them ... although it would be possible to take their natural resources in concession in return .... and so, for the sake of locating a local bai or khan, they begin to flattering gifts.
        1. Far B
          Far B 26 November 2019 06: 07 New
          +8
          So, all the same, loshki. So who is the evil doctor after that? (I'm talking about our guide)
        2. APES
          APES 26 November 2019 06: 21 New
          +1
          forgive them billions of dollars in debt ... though

          Are you talking about Africa ??? I don’t understand why either. what
        3. atalef
          atalef 26 November 2019 06: 42 New
          -4
          Quote: The same Lech
          Well, they have forgiven billions of debts to them ... although it would be possible to take their natural resources in concession in return.

          laughing
          1. depressant
            depressant 26 November 2019 07: 43 New
            +4
            And Kyrgyzstan was forgiven. And the rest. But Kyrgyzstan was caught up and still given. Now. On the development of education and more. There is a long list.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 26 November 2019 12: 03 New
              +3
              Quote: depressant
              There is a long list.

              laughing Comrade fighter for the happiness of peoples, it is strange to hear such speeches from you!
        4. Serg65
          Serg65 26 November 2019 12: 01 New
          +4
          Quote: The same Lech
          Well, forgive them billions of dollars in debt ..

          According to the website of the Eurasian Economic Commission, last year Kyrgyzstan sold $ 314 million worth of goods and bought $ 1 million worth of goods, with a surplus of 635 billion 1 million towards Russia! Kyrgyzstan exports agricultural products, uranium ore, rare earth metals and textiles, and imports from Russia mainly food, industrial goods and petroleum products!
          Quote: The same Lech
          for the sake of the location of a local bai or khan, they begin to appease with gifts.

          This method has long sunk into the summer!
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    2. Flooding
      Flooding 26 November 2019 05: 57 New
      0
      Quote: The same Lech
      On what basis should Russia be friends with its neighbors?
      Almost all of them have one goal in using Russia as a cash cow.

      In politics, as in human life, there are no simple answers.
      How many families are falling apart due to material insecurity.
      Does this mean that everyone rules money?
      I think no. You just need to understand the axiom that there is nothing perfect in the world.
      We must take into account the multifactorial of our being. And in politics too.
      Yes, the economy in many respects influences societies and relations between them.
      This fact, which had to be reckoned with from ancient times, has to be reckoned with now.
      And without the benefits of economic mutual cooperation, Russia cannot bring the former republics closer.
      Another thing is that one should not stupidly miss the opportunities available.
      It seems that this is the main problem of Russian politics in the post-Soviet space.
      1. atalef
        atalef 26 November 2019 06: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: Flood
        It seems that this is the main problem of Russian politics in the post-Soviet space.

        Lavrov, the most mediocre foreign minister, during his tenure, Russia lost all allies.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 26 November 2019 06: 48 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Lavrov, the most mediocre foreign minister, during his tenure, Russia lost all allies.

          Two questions:
          - with whom do you compare Lavrov, coming to such a diagnosis?
          - Do you think that Lavrov is an absolutely independent figure?
          1. atalef
            atalef 26 November 2019 06: 56 New
            +7
            Quote: Flood
            - with whom do you compare Lavrov, coming to such a diagnosis?

            And why compare with someone?
            Just look at the results of his activities.
            Quote: Flood
            - Do you think that Lavrov is an absolutely independent figure?

            Of course you can say that it is controlled by the State Department.
            But it seems to me that he is quite independent in his activities and is controlled only by Putin.
            output?
            If Lavrov is not doing business, but is a puppet in Putin’s hands, then in general, then it’s even worse.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 26 November 2019 07: 33 New
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              And why compare with someone?
              Just look at the results of his activities.

              Comparison is the basis of any analysis.
              Quote: atalef
              Of course you can say that it is controlled by the State Department.
              But it seems to me that he is quite independent in his activities and is controlled only by Putin.

              I can say that it is controlled by the President of Moldova. I can do a lot.
              But in fact, you have not completed the chain of conclusions.
              Lavrov is at least formally subordinate to Medvedev.
              His control of Putin should also not cause much doubt.
              But the main thing is what prevents Putin from doing everything for the benefit of the people. To pacify bureaucracy, transplant thieves, force the oligarchy to work for the good of the Fatherland, clean out the Augean stables in the Duma and the Federation Council, carry out health care, education, taxation, law enforcement, pension reform, take the business out of the gray zone, force banks to lend business and minimum rates private individuals etc. You can continue for a long time.
              Maybe he is addicted? Depends on an unscrupulous, unprofessional, hypocritical environment. I am sure so. This, of course, does not relieve him of responsibility. But it gives us the opportunity to perceive reality in a more complete volume, and not episodically.
              1. atalef
                atalef 26 November 2019 09: 46 New
                -3
                Quote: Flood

                Comparison is the basis of any analysis.

                Does Lavrov’s work make it good that, as a minister, he’ll say worse than Kozyrev.
                But how is he better than him?
                Under a trump card, most countries of the world and neighboring countries were on friendly terms with Russia.
                Of course, you will begin to say that the Russian Federation did not have an independent policy; everything else was unfortunate.
                It’s a simple question: under Kozyrev, people lived hard, but the RF didn’t perceive the world as an enemy, under Lavrov, people live even worse and prospects are not better, while most of their former friends began to consider Russia as the enemy.
                If you analyze it so to speak
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 26 November 2019 11: 33 New
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef
                  A simple question, when Kozyrev people lived hard, but the RF was not perceived in the world as an enemy

                  Papua - New Guinea is also not hostile to the world. Do you consider this a serious argument by which you can measure the effectiveness of foreign policy?
                  And what is your assessment of the activity of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, which many people in the West favor?
                2. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 26 November 2019 21: 29 New
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  under Lavrov - people live even worse

                  Atalef do you really think that no one here remembers what happened in the 90s? You do not go too far with your demagogy. laughing
                3. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 26 November 2019 21: 35 New
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  Under a trump card, most countries of the world and neighboring countries were on friendly terms with Russia.

                  Already funny.
              2. atalef
                atalef 26 November 2019 09: 51 New
                0
                But the main thing is what prevents Putin from doing everything for the benefit of the people. To pacify bureaucracy, transplant thieves, force the oligarchy to work for the good of the Fatherland, clean out the Augean stables in the Duma and the Federation Council, carry out health care, education, taxation, law enforcement, pension reform, take the business out of the gray zone, force banks to lend business and minimum rates private individuals etc. You can continue for a long time.

                Time is short, I’m afraid I won’t have time.
                Comparison, the basis of any analysis - as you say.
                So how many years will it take Putin to do everything you described, if in 20 years he has not made 10% of this list?
                Xnumx years?
                So why the heck start something that a priori is not feasible wink
              3. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 26 November 2019 13: 12 New
                +2
                Quote: Flood
                But the main thing is what prevents Putin from doing everything for the benefit of the people.

                the fact is that Putin only has one working day a year for the people smile. All the rest of the time he has for the state. And the state is an apparatus of suppression and coercion ....
            2. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 26 November 2019 08: 13 New
              -4
              Quote: atalef
              If Lavrov is not doing business, but is a puppet in Putin’s hands, then in general, then it’s even worse.

              Lavrov is an intelligent man, in his place ... is a hostage to the internal situation in Russia.
              1. Kronos
                Kronos 26 November 2019 12: 58 New
                0
                There are no smart and honest thieves in a pack
          2. Civil
            Civil 26 November 2019 07: 53 New
            +3
            Two questions:
            - with whom do you compare Lavrov, coming to such a diagnosis?
            - Do you think that Lavrov is an absolutely independent figure?

            Well, the time spent in ministers - with Gromyko, and the results with Kozyrev. Alas, the fact was lost to the allies. Crimea is not recognized. And remember Chicherin, who defended the Soviet Republic.

            Lavrov is a minister and is not an independent figure. However, he did not have enough conscience to put a statement on the table, after all the failures. And the age is already such that it doesn’t.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 26 November 2019 08: 05 New
              -4
              Student: I would rate the Russian foreign policy unsatisfactory, since in the last years of Putin’s rule we have lost almost all the allies we had. Nobody respects us, they are just afraid of us.

              Radio listener freedom agrees.
              https://www.svoboda.org/a/29713688.html
              There is a lot of criticism of Lavrov. If enemies scold, then not everything is so bad.
              1. Civil
                Civil 26 November 2019 08: 11 New
                -4
                Navodlom (Vladimir Ilyich) Radio listener freedom agrees.

                Have you been listening to American radio for a long time? Who is wise? We will deal with our ministers ourselves, and let's jump on.
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 26 November 2019 08: 49 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Civil
                  Have you been listening to American radio for a long time? Who is wise? We will deal with our ministers ourselves, and let's jump on.

                  Yes, you calm down. I understand that it’s unpleasant. But in life it happens.
                  This behavior does not color you. Show passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation to get your permission for criticism? Kindergarten.
                  1. Civil
                    Civil 26 November 2019 13: 21 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Flood
                    Yes, you calm down. I understand that it’s unpleasant. But in life it happens.
                    This behavior does not color you. Show passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation to get your permission for criticism? Kindergarten.

                    You are there in your kindergarten, criticize your health. The main thing is to strictly guard the entrance, and it was recently a case.
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding 26 November 2019 13: 29 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Civil
                      You are there in your kindergarten, criticize your health. The main thing is to strictly guard the entrance, and it was recently a case.

                      Even your humor has come out bumpy, dull.
                      Maybe you better train while on cats?
              2. Flooding
                Flooding 26 November 2019 13: 43 New
                0
                Who does not know how to combine the meaning of two or more lines, know that I do not blame you.
                To each his own.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 26 November 2019 09: 19 New
          +5
          Quote: atalef
          Lavrov the most mediocre Foreign Minister

          add that is appointed by the president and fulfills his political will
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 26 November 2019 12: 05 New
            +3
            Quote: Silvestr
            add that is appointed by the president and fulfills his political will

            what Communists and Semites again in one bunch?
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              1. Serg65
                Serg65 26 November 2019 12: 19 New
                +1
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                they have an international here

                what is the Lenin-Trotsky affair alive than all living things?
        3. Serg65
          Serg65 26 November 2019 12: 04 New
          +5
          Quote: atalef
          Russia has lost all allies.

          what Oh, how would you not lose your statehood in the near future ...
        4. Winnie76
          Winnie76 26 November 2019 15: 16 New
          +3
          Quote: atalef
          Lavrov, the most mediocre foreign minister, during his tenure, Russia lost all allies.

          What are these?
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 26 November 2019 16: 24 New
            +3
            Quote: Winnie76
            What are these?

            You are some suspicious citizen.
            Show curiosity out of place.
            It is said "all" - means all.
            Don’t you take the word for it?
        5. AAK
          AAK 27 November 2019 22: 39 New
          +1
          Colleague, I’ll try (based on the content of the comment) to ask you a question in the style of “65th Serge”, and announce the list of Russian allies lost during the stay of S. Lavrov as head of the Foreign Ministry?
    3. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 26 November 2019 05: 58 New
      +5
      The responsibility for the failures of foreign policy lies with two departments - the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation.
      And do not shag grandma!
      1. atalef
        atalef 26 November 2019 06: 43 New
        0
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        The responsibility for the failures of foreign policy lies with two departments - the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation.
        And do not shag grandma!

        And on whom?
        At the Ministry of Agriculture or what?
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    4. atalef
      atalef 26 November 2019 06: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: The same Lech
      On what basis should Russia be friends with its neighbors?

      mutually beneficial, and not from the position of an older brother, and if anything, then press it to the nail
      Quote: The same Lech
      Almost all of them have one goal in using Russia as a cash cow.

      not a correct interpretation, in the end they buy in the West if Russia refuses to sell and no one gives away buns for free
      Quote: The same Lech
      take loans from her for free

      free loans - well, this is probably at the moment Venezuela, Iran, Bolivia, Nicaragua - in this list there are neither Moldova, nor Georgia, nor the Baltic states, nor Ukraine (already)
      Quote: The same Lech
      use her armed forces for her own purposes

      Who is this?
      Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan?
      Well, yes, but it seems to me more of your interest - they themselves, while shouting at VO, have more bases.
      Quote: The same Lech
      not guaranteeing anything ..

      Well, you somehow do not guarantee anything.
      Ukraine guaranteed territorial integrity and? ....
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 26 November 2019 09: 04 New
        0
        Quote: atalef

        Well, you somehow do not guarantee anything.
        Ukraine guaranteed territorial integrity and? ....

        They removed the nuclear weapons from the territory of the post-Soviet republics under this guarantee, this is the real politician, the rest is all blah blah.
        1. atalef
          atalef 26 November 2019 09: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: Semurg
          Quote: atalef

          Well, you somehow do not guarantee anything.
          Ukraine guaranteed territorial integrity and? ....

          They removed the nuclear weapons from the territory of the post-Soviet republics under this guarantee, this is the real politician, the rest is all blah blah.

          They exported nuclear weapons, and as a result, through their mediocre foreign policy, they got Ukraine and Georgia into NATO - which is worse?
          This is a clear politician
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 26 November 2019 16: 26 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            They exported nuclear weapons, and as a result, through their mediocre foreign policy, they got Ukraine and Georgia into NATO - which is worse?

            1. Ukraine is not in NATO. This is just a Wishlist and a Dream.
            2. Worse nuclear weapons in the hands of fools.
          2. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 26 November 2019 21: 37 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            They exported nuclear weapons, and as a result, through their mediocre foreign policy, they got Ukraine and Georgia into NATO - which is worse?
            This is a clear politician

            When will you be a great politician with Arabs at your side? laughing
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 26 November 2019 21: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: Semurg
          They removed the nuclear weapons from the territory of the post-Soviet republics under this guarantee, this is the real politician, the rest is all blah blah.

          By the way, what about our Northern Kazakhstan? laughing
      2. Yuri Simple
        Yuri Simple 26 November 2019 10: 04 New
        +1
        Ukraine guaranteed? This is such a place, they guaranteed something there? About the Memorandum, or something, from Budapest? So any Memorandum is an Agreement of Intent: Like, under favorable conditions, we will buy your sand from you as soon as we need them. This is the meaning of any Memorandum.
        And there is one more thing: the word of a man! He wanted, he wanted, he returned to the ass. To live with wolves, howl like wolves, you know.
      3. Serg65
        Serg65 26 November 2019 12: 07 New
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        Ukraine guaranteed territorial integrity and? ...

        Well, you destroyed this integrity ... not?
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 26 November 2019 12: 32 New
          -2
          How did you destroy, please tell
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 26 November 2019 12: 48 New
            +4
            Quote: Andrey VOV
            How did you destroy, please tell

            belay Are you Jewish too?
            But didn’t the Jews ruin this independence?
            1. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 26 November 2019 16: 33 New
              -1
              It follows from your text that Russia was destroyed, if I understood correctly, therefore I asked a question, and by nationality I am not a Jew, do not be so worried
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 27 November 2019 10: 06 New
                +1
                Quote: Andrey VOV
                It follows from your text that Russia was destroyed

                From my answer Israeli Atalef follows that, the sons of David and Bandera destroyed Ukraine, they also nurtured!
                Quote: Andrey VOV
                don't get so excited

                I'm not excited!
        2. AAK
          AAK 27 November 2019 22: 45 New
          -2
          Kolega 65th, you’re like a hot opponent of “tampering”, then remove the Russian flag from the avatar, then like in a joke: “... father, you either remove the cross or straighten your cassock from your underpants ..."
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 28 November 2019 10: 21 New
            -1
            AAAh what colleague, do you have questions for the Russian flag or just tryndet?
            1. AAK
              AAK 28 November 2019 20: 52 New
              -1
              The Russian flag - I am proud that before the other passages in your comments - the moderator will not miss the answer, well, in general, you are in the know ...
    5. New Year day
      New Year day 26 November 2019 09: 17 New
      +6
      Quote: The same Lech
      Almost all of them have one goal in using Russia as a cash cow ... to take loans from her for free, use natural resources for her own purposes and give empty promises of friendship and good neighborliness in return without guaranteeing anything ... a great position.

      Well, if Russia allows itself to wrap itself around the finger and not benefit for itself, then this is a problem for the Russian leadership.
    6. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 26 November 2019 10: 07 New
      -2
      Quote: The same Lech
      On what basis should Russia be friends with its neighbors?

      Let me then ask (you see the dock in these matters):
      On what basis should Russia be friends with non-neighbors? belay
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 26 November 2019 12: 11 New
        +4
        Quote: ROSS 42
        On what basis should Russia be friends with non-neighbors?

        Your brother, a Jew, has already answered you ... on mutually beneficial!
    7. Serg65
      Serg65 26 November 2019 11: 38 New
      +5
      Quote: The same Lech
      On what basis should Russia be friends with its neighbors?

      Free for a long time has sunk into oblivion, now for Russian help amicably have to pay!
  • 24rus
    24rus 26 November 2019 05: 31 New
    +5
    As an option, to begin with, Belovezhskaya’s conspiracy and the results of perestroika are not legal
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 26 November 2019 05: 49 New
      +5
      As an option, to begin with, Belovezhskaya’s conspiracy and the results of perestroika are not legal

      And then what? ... then what tools to use and most importantly for what ... by force or something to make them friends? ... no this is a dead end.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 26 November 2019 10: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: The same Lech
        No, this is a dead end.

        Draw a path where the light is visible at the end of the tunnel ...
        The Bialowieza conspiracy should be recognized as unconstitutional (unlawful) only in order to cancel (at least !!!) the economic reforms following this (after that) within Russia, at the direction of the West, carried out by its “bearers of ideas” ... At least all that is connected with the name of Chubais ...
        But the Union does not need to be assembled, it is possible to unite on the basis of ethnic, economic and other ties that rallied the Russians with their neighbors. Who does not want a referendum to help?
        EVERYTHING ... For that matter. In order not the Semites to determine Russian life, but the titular nation ... By constitutional law and the right to create a state and its foundations.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 26 November 2019 12: 24 New
          +5
          Quote: ROSS 42
          So that not the Semites determine Russian existence, but the titular nation.

          belay Yes you, my friend, however, a nationalist! As I understand it, the modern Communists Leninist international is not in favor?
          Quote: ROSS 42
          EVERYTHING ... For that matter.

          belay Yuri Vasilievich, you have a great desire to say "the guard is tired" ???
          1. Alexander Ra
            Alexander Ra 26 November 2019 14: 01 New
            -5
            Veche is real, not fictitious self-government. Do you like more “our” American constitution and all the other forms of government of Russia that are not valid?
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 26 November 2019 14: 11 New
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Ra
              Veche - real

              Alexander, how do you manage to combine Slavic Vedism and communist principles? Is this a mystery to me for a long time?
              1. Alexander Ra
                Alexander Ra 26 November 2019 14: 17 New
                -4
                I trust the laws of biology. Veche (cop, peace, community, Cossack circle ..) is the evolutionary result of the work of our people. A -isms, including communism, are information viruses introduced from the outside for our “good."
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 26 November 2019 14: 40 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Alexander Ra
                  A -isms, including communism - information viruses introduced from the outside for our "good."

                  Fashamended, capitalamendedpopulamendedIs this also for our "good" ???
                2. Flooding
                  Flooding 26 November 2019 16: 32 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexander Ra
                  I trust the laws of biology. Veche (cop, peace, community, Cossack circle ..) is the evolutionary result of the work of our people.

                  The only misfortune is that these forms of election and government are not directly related to statehood. Moreover, the whole history of Russian statehood is the result of firm, to one degree or another, one-man power.
                  1. Alexander Ra
                    Alexander Ra 27 November 2019 22: 11 New
                    0
                    1. The result of this 1000-year-old “sole” statehood is a national catastrophe. Signs are known. Inorganic to the people a chimerical device was forcibly introduced.
                    2. The result is the natural degeneration of the "elite" (without feedback), no longer identifying itself with the people. The trouble is different - we do not have a national elite, a people without a brain. We have a lot of joy - "yoke with rattles and a scourge."
                    The vital forces of the people were grinded into the power of the State, are these forces endless? Why has the State recently accelerated to ruin and stupid these forces?
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding 27 November 2019 22: 18 New
                      +1
                      You may not like the result. It's your right.
                      But it was such a device that led to one sixth of land.
                      You can only speculate: "but if".
                      1. Alexander Ra
                        Alexander Ra 27 November 2019 22: 58 New
                        -1
                        Before the biblical (1000 years) period, the ancestors lived on a much larger territory of Eurasia and sowing. Africa. Today the sixth live worse than in Poland, and according to the Kapitsa joint venture, "they have come to what all these 15 years have been striving for - they have brought up the country of idiots," the slogan is not for everyone.
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding 27 November 2019 23: 01 New
                        0
                        Do you propose to return to the communal system, in the dugouts?
    2. 24rus
      24rus 26 November 2019 10: 17 New
      -1
      Conduct based on the decision of a referendum such as Crimean, for example
    3. Alexander Ra
      Alexander Ra 26 November 2019 14: 04 New
      -3
      Yes, the integrity of the people, if necessary - to defend by force. Are they crushing us well? Wedge by wedge.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 27 November 2019 23: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Ra
        the integrity of the people, if necessary - to defend by force

        Who do you propose to rape? Residents "VNA", Koi themselves, almost without exception, categorically do not consider brothers? Or Belarusians, koi, too, somehow somehow in a single family are not particularly eager?

        And in general - how do you see this for yourself - "to defend by force"? From whom, by any such force?

        The specifics, sister ... specifics good
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  • atalef
    atalef 26 November 2019 06: 46 New
    +2
    Quote: 24rus
    As an option, to begin with, Belovezhskaya’s conspiracy and the results of perestroika are not legal

    Recognize and?
    There are three options for this.
    You can recognize, you can not recognize and does not matter.
    So, after it has fallen on all fronts, the easiest way to say, but we do not agree with the collapse of the USSR,
    just what does it matter now? Everyone in general will not care about this decision and will cause nothing but laughter.
    1. Alexander Ra
      Alexander Ra 26 November 2019 14: 12 New
      -4
      Privatization has been thwarted-do not mind, do not disagree? “Not funny,” but the proud masochism of approval and patience.
  • DNS-a42
    DNS-a42 26 November 2019 09: 16 New
    +1
    This is a direct threat to the well-being of Russian oligarchs. Will they punish themselves? For them, these events are a holiday.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 26 November 2019 09: 31 New
    +4
    Quote: 24rus
    As an option, to begin with, Belovezhskaya’s conspiracy and the results of perestroika are not legal

    1. late
    2. The elite, who has gotten together during and after the Pushcha, simply will not let you do it. Do you think Putin will give up his power for this? The question of power is the cornerstone in such a process.
  • Far B
    Far B 26 November 2019 05: 49 New
    +6
    Post-Soviet space is not interesting for Russian big business
    And Russian big business, one might think, is within Russian space interesting. Our nouveau riche has one goal - to grab more. Offshore companies have already been created for them, and the devil knows how many tax amnesties have been carried out, and the darkest one himself said that you are tormented by swallowing dust - no, they do not return the money. Well, no way.
    1. Ryaruav
      Ryaruav 26 November 2019 06: 38 New
      +9
      Russian big business, some words are just a gang of thieves and parasites who did nothing with their own hands and head
    2. atalef
      atalef 26 November 2019 06: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: Far In
      Offshore companies have already been created for them, and the devil knows how many tax amnesties have been carried out, and the darkest one himself said that you are tormented by swallowing dust - no, they do not return the money.

      There are no fools.
      The couple returned, believing the promises of amnesty, as a result, the money was confiscated and the suckers (those who believed) sat down.
      Quote: Far In
      Well, no way.

      How else ?
      1. Far B
        Far B 26 November 2019 07: 00 New
        +9
        Malaysian Prime Minister Hrenznaet as the name is broken during the Asian crisis (at the turn of the 2000s), nothing prevented the introduction of severe restrictions on cross-border financial transactions. And Malaysia is the first of the so-called "Asian tigers" got out of the crisis. And something always interferes with ours. To a bad dancer, of course ... Or there’s another saying: "Standing on the pavement, I’m shod in skis ..." From the same opera.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 26 November 2019 09: 09 New
        -1
        Quote: atalef
        The couple returned, believing the promises of amnesty, as a result, the money was confiscated and the suckers (those who believed) sat down.

        And who are these naive people?
        1. atalef
          atalef 26 November 2019 09: 58 New
          -2
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: atalef
          The couple returned, believing the promises of amnesty, as a result, the money was confiscated and the suckers (those who believed) sat down.

          And who are these naive people?

          https://www.vedomosti.ru/economics/articles/2019/09/22/811765-fsb-ispolzuet-amnistii
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 26 November 2019 10: 13 New
            -1
            Quote: atalef
            https://www.vedomosti.ru/economics/articles/2019/09/22/811765-fsb-ispolzuet-amnistii

            Idiocy ... If EBN had seven Fridays in a week, then this one is less frequent, but Fridays - hoo.
      3. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 26 November 2019 21: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        The couple returned, believing the promises of amnesty, as a result, the money was confiscated and the suckers (those who believed) sat down.

        And what a heinous rezhym did with Berezovsky and Khodorkovsky. There is no limit to the abominations of anti-people’s power! laughing
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 26 November 2019 06: 13 New
    0
    How I lost, when I lost, what I lost ... How quickly huge masses of people can be misled. Everything has long been known, all involved are indicated and marked, and we will not find new names.
    Having taken off the head through the hair do not cry

    Here is one example. Ask anyone here who is on the significance of the work of the HMS in the collapse of the USSR and he will immediately tell about this spot on the “brow” of the country. But!!! stop Did he manage everything there alone? Surname Yakovlev does not say anything? And Ryzhkov Nikolai Ivanovich - the "crying prime minister"? It turns out
    It became known who received state awards for outstanding achievements in various fields.
    The Kremlin hosted the ceremony of presenting state awards. The President awarded orders and medals for outstanding achievements in the field of culture, medicine, sports, production ...
    TITLE OF THE HERO OF LABOR OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
    RYZHKOV Nikolay Ivanovich - member of the Council of the Federation of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation from the Belgorod region - representative of the executive body of state power of the Belgorod region, member of the Committee of the Council of the Federation on federal structure, regional policy, local self-government and affairs of the North ...

    We ask for clarification:
    N. Ryzhkov served as Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR from the beginning of Perestroika, when the foundations of changes in the economic and economic life of the country were laid. The renewal of fixed assets, the production of capital goods has noticeably decreased, and the differentiation of incomes of population groups has clearly increased, which has led to a change in the scale of prices already in 1988. Thus, during his leadership, prerequisites were created for a systemic economic crisis in 1991–98. However, it should not be considered that N. Ryzhkov had a malicious intent for the collapse of the USSR economy. According to the recollections of colleagues, the reason lies in his lack of competence and lack of necessary qualifications, which regularly led to his manipulation by his assistants.

    Is there a chance to rectify the situation?
    Under the current conditions, the return of the lost influence on political processes in the countries of the former USSR becomes not just a desired goal, but a vital necessity ...

    While the government, which continues to fool people's brains, honors accomplices of the collapse of the USSR (even if it was naive dilettantism), while the heroes in the country are those who have ruined it and made a fortune from it, to talk about some kind of return of the lost, about some need - funny.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 26 November 2019 06: 18 New
    +2
    Today it is necessary to create strong economic ties. What is expensive for us can be made in the former republics. The fact is that for all of us export is something sacred. Secondly, such cooperation makes states dependent on each other. Of course, there are domestic opponents, ready to drive poor-quality products. This is where the power decision of the authorities is needed.
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 November 2019 07: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: nikvic46
      Today it is necessary to create strong economic ties.

      these relations can arise only on a mutually beneficial basis and if there is confidence in the invariance of this approach
      Quote: nikvic46
      Secondly, such cooperation makes states dependent on each other.

      and we are all dependent on each other and you are dependent on our neighbors, to a greater or lesser extent, therefore it is better to be friends.
      Quote: nikvic46
      Of course, there are opponents within the country who are ready to drive poor-quality products

      meaning?
      They won’t buy it.
      Quote: nikvic46
      This is where the power decision of the authorities is needed

      oh, again, the authorities must control the quality of boots sold over the hill by the Uryupin felting factory.
      Where the authorities control such things, corruption begins.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 26 November 2019 06: 33 New
    +9
    I would share the relations between Belarus and Russia and the desire of Moscow and St. Petersburg hamsters to take over Belarusian industry. Well, the dad does not want to go under the "friends" you know who.
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 26 November 2019 19: 20 New
      0
      Quote: sergo1914
      I would share the relations between Belarus and Russia and the wishes of Moscow and St. Petersburg hamsters grab Belarusian industry. Well, the dad does not want to go under the "friends" you know who.



      Do not offend hamsters!
      Do not confuse them with rats!
  • parusnik
    parusnik 26 November 2019 06: 41 New
    +3
    Ilya, I'm sorry, but
    active economic integration, revival of cultural ties
    - So the CIS was partly created and for this, for 30 years they have been strongly integrated economically and revived cultural ties? For example, Victory Day is not uniform for all republics, it was softly privatized .. each post-Soviet republic has its own Victory ..
    It is necessary to use the levers of political and economic pressure,
    .... Do not buy sprats from the Baltic states, cotton from the Central Asian republics, Borjomi from Georgia, etc.?
    tools of persuasion in order to maintain the official status of the Russian language in as many post-Soviet republics as possible, and where it was lost for any reason, seek its restoration.
    ... But the post-Soviet republics really need it ... at present? .. Measures of persuasion ... like, learn the Russian language, otherwise you will not be called to work in Russia .. These 30 years have shown the following: the slogan "the bourgeois of all post-Soviet republics , unite! ", did not ride ... The CIS is bogging down, the alternative, the Union of Russia and Belarus did not really take shape ...
  • Unknown
    Unknown 26 November 2019 06: 46 New
    +3
    Years and decades have passed. People born during the collapse of the USSR are now thirty-year-old adults, men and women. In the former Soviet republics, two generations grew up, not connected by a common state and a common history with Russia ............... this is the most important thing, and we must proceed from this. a, trade, business benefits, etc. are not the main factor. when communicating with people from the former republics of the USSR, especially with the Balts, Western Ukrainians, you begin to understand that this is all, profitable, not profitable, does not work. It turns out that not everything can be bought for money. it is our government and, let alone many people, they argue that there is nothing superfluous, only business, and it turns out there is a concept as national interests, it does not matter whether they are right or not, but they exist. so the approach needs a different one. but it is necessary to start from our embassies and consulates, to drive out all kinds of bureaucrats from there, and to work with those who stayed there among the Rusaks, to talk with youth about Russia, about its past, and, in general, conduct propaganda in this vein. We need an ideology, which will slowly begin to unite, that which is being destroyed and is being destroyed. but it’s not there, and will it be?
    1. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 26 November 2019 11: 05 New
      +3
      I read the comments! Everything is correct. The essence of the problem is that in Russia real power belongs to a handful of comprador bourgeoisie and power structures are nothing more than guardians of its interests. Throwing stones at Putin is useless, because Putin is nothing more than a servant of the Sechins, Alikperovs, Fridman and others like them - the authorities’ attention to rearmament is nothing more than a guarantee that, for example, nobody will take Gazprom away from Miller. Be in its place even Zyuganov, the situation will not change. Therefore, all talk of a paradigm shift is no more than blah blah. The author himself correctly writes that the CIS countries are indifferent to our "business captains". They will show interest only if a real threat to their capital occurs from these countries, and whether this will happen is unclear.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 26 November 2019 06: 56 New
    0
    What is there, what is there, EVERYWHERE is ruled by "rich Pinocchio", and they are the best, proven method of "Divide and Conquer" m .... someone expected something else ???
    To say that until the Power changes, nothing will change, stupid and naive !!!
    Until they eradicate their SOVIET ESSENCE from the people, no association, friendship is planned ....
    We draw conclusions ...... and which ones?
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 November 2019 07: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      Until their SOVIET ESSENCE is eradicated from the people, there is no plan for any unification, friendship ...

      i.e.?
      To make friends again, you need to forget the USSR?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 26 November 2019 07: 48 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        i.e.?
        To make friends again, you need to forget the USSR?

        To not talk about friendship at all .... in the first place should be BENEFIT!
        This is not a Soviet idea, this is a normal capitalist approach.
        1. DNS-a42
          DNS-a42 26 November 2019 09: 12 New
          +1
          With this approach, “suddenly” it turns out that making friends is more profitable with the US and the EU, and not with Russia.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 26 November 2019 09: 58 New
            +3
            Quote: DNS-a42
            With this approach, “suddenly” it turns out that making friends is more profitable with the US and the EU, and not with Russia.

            It’s not in vain, for all that, besides our “rich Pinocchio's”, over the hill, wherever you look, there are only partners !!! This BJ-WF is not casual.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 26 November 2019 10: 36 New
              -4
              Business partners, not power partners.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 26 November 2019 11: 35 New
                +2
                Quote: Vadim237
                Business partners, not power partners.

                Business is power, it is very close ... no one is sharing in a hurry anywhere and never.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 26 November 2019 17: 28 New
                  -3
                  Well, of course - especially when sanctions are imposed on businessmen involved in import and export.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 26 November 2019 17: 40 New
                    +2
                    Sanctions are not interesting when you lose / lose yourself.
                    Uncle Sam loses less than others, and "partners"? Yes, he put it on them.
          2. Mouse
            Mouse 26 November 2019 19: 22 New
            +3
            Quote: DNS-a42
            With this approach, “suddenly” it turns out that making friends is more profitable with the US and the EU, and not with Russia.

            yeah! throw ... without hesitation ....
        2. atalef
          atalef 26 November 2019 10: 01 New
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          Quote: atalef
          i.e.?
          To make friends again, you need to forget the USSR?

          To not talk about friendship at all .... in the first place should be BENEFIT!
          This is not a Soviet idea, this is a normal capitalist approach.

          And what about the USSR there was no money?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 26 November 2019 10: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            And what about the USSR there was no money?

            There was money, there was a benefit, only with the question of friendship, how does this fit together?
            1. atalef
              atalef 26 November 2019 10: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              Quote: atalef
              And what about the USSR there was no money?

              There was money, there was a benefit, only with the question of friendship, how does this fit together?

              Very simply, you sold the product, you paid for it - you have business partnerships, you get a great product and pay a good price - everyone is happy, everyone is smiling.
              For some reason, your friendship is always combined with a freebie.
              Do you lend to friends?
              Or give?
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 26 November 2019 10: 21 New
                +1
                What does friendship have to do with it?
                1. atalef
                  atalef 26 November 2019 11: 19 New
                  0
                  Quote: rocket757
                  What does friendship have to do with it?

                  What do you mean by that?
                  Somehow I don’t understand you,
                  On the one hand, you scream that all your friends would repay debts, it's not friendly, wink
                  Friendly forgive fellow
                  And on the other hand, you are offended that you have forgiven.
                  Sidorovs do not understand you (as in the old joke)
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 26 November 2019 11: 41 New
                    +2
                    Quote: atalef
                    Somehow I don’t understand you,

                    But this is the right question ... we are broadcasting on a different wave.
                    If a friend was suddenly
                    And not a friend, not an enemy, but - so,
                    If you do not understand right away,
                    Bad or good, - ...

                    The topic of partnership, debt and everything else, is completely different.
                    And we are not Sidorovs and some other others, we are IVANOVA!
                  2. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 26 November 2019 21: 45 New
                    0
                    Quote: atalef
                    Friendly forgive

                    Do the Israelis hope our friends? I’ve got some problems with finances here. laughing
              2. Serg65
                Serg65 26 November 2019 12: 44 New
                +4
                Quote: atalef
                business partnerships

                Well, I bought it, I sold it, everything is clear, that's another question tormenting me ... is your USA protecting Israel on a commercial basis, or is there any other interest here?
                1. Semurg
                  Semurg 26 November 2019 17: 59 New
                  +2
                  The United States has thus been consolidating the Arab world for 60 years now, otherwise they would have fought among themselves. drinks
                  Quote: Serg65

                  Well, I bought it, I sold it, everything is clear, that's another question tormenting me ... is your USA protecting Israel on a commercial basis, or is there any other interest here?
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 27 November 2019 10: 09 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Semurg
                    The United States has thus been consolidating the Arab world for 60 years now.

                    what An interesting option for consolidation! drinks
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 26 November 2019 09: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      Until they eradicate their SOVIET ESSENCE from the people

      then there will be no one to unite. What will serve as a unifying principle? Then only "get up cursed branded ..."
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 26 November 2019 09: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: rocket757
        Until they eradicate their SOVIET ESSENCE from the people

        then there will be no one to unite. What will serve as a unifying principle? Then only "get up cursed branded ..."

        So many people believe that the lessons of HISTORY are not about them and not for them!
        After all, there was such a thing, very similar!
        Bad period, ignoramus! Neither we, nor they, have learned our lessons and are making mistakes ....
  • Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 26 November 2019 06: 58 New
    +3
    Talking about the influence of Russia, comparing the Russian Federation with the USSR, in the post-Soviet space is an empty lesson. And speaking of that, it is necessary not to use Soviet approaches and formulations, because in the USSR the Russian Federation was not the state structure that united other national republics, it united the rigid leadership and control of the local political elites in the USSR. In order for modern Russia to have influence, you need to be able to influence the political elites (especially new ones) of the former republics, which we (in spite of the fact that the government has been a 20-year-old KGB specialist in working with agents) has not been working out. And economically (including in terms of population welfare) Russia is not attractive for the former republics ... We ourselves live on foreign investment ...
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 26 November 2019 07: 27 New
      -2
      Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
      Russia is not attractive to former republics ...

      What does it mean? From our former brothers do not push, from the Kyrgyz to the Ukrainians.
      Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
      We ourselves live on foreign investment ...

      Sanctions Investments?
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 26 November 2019 07: 44 New
        +4
        For bober1982 (vladimir)
        Good morning, Vladimir. Where are you "pushing" in Moscow? So Moscow is not the whole of Russia. In our North Caucasus, “former brothers” are very rare ... Yes, and fraternal relations are maintained not between the rulers (although the officials shout about the “brotherhood” among us loudest), but between ordinary people. We Afghans still consider each other, regardless of the country of residence, brothers.
        Speaking about foreign investment, I had in mind that our government has played in "globalism", instead of developing ourselves - the basis of our economy should be its own capital, not foreign ...
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 26 November 2019 07: 52 New
          0
          Good morning! I will not argue, so be it.
  • Dmitry Gundorov
    Dmitry Gundorov 26 November 2019 07: 13 New
    +7
    While Russia will seek and invent another "Russophobia" because of its
    idiotic foreign, and domestic policy, thereby justifying all its failures, it goes without saying that Russia will thus lose Belarus and Kazakhstan, and much more.
    The United States itself is not worried about "Americanophobia," although all sorts of klepto / autocratic bantustans read tons of govinda. US not worried about this, but not us
    1. maden.usmanow
      maden.usmanow 26 November 2019 09: 00 New
      0
      most reasonable comment
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 26 November 2019 07: 55 New
    +5
    The main mistake, in my opinion, in the first sentences of the article:
    Russia has largely lost control of the post-Soviet space
    It was necessary not to INFLUENCE the neighbors, but to SUPPORT FRIENDLY RELATIONSHIPS on an equal footing !!!
    Would such arise with a constant reminder that "we are higher, more important" ....?
    Now, many will begin to recall discounts on gas and TD. But there were also threats to disable it. And how many "cheese", "candy" and other "wars" were? So they played it out. Moreover, judging by the fact that EVERYTHING is moving away from us, it’s not their fault, but somewhere in our upper ranks it’s not ....
  • Naz
    Naz 26 November 2019 07: 58 New
    +1
    An article for youth. We all know how it was and why now it is. Everyone understands everything that rant.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 26 November 2019 07: 58 New
    0
    And where is Russia going, what are its goals, ideology, how do its citizens live and how does the elite live. Citizens live from zp to zp, in loans, the elite lives well, she specifically blows the roof from excess money. Elite people do not like, do not want to live with him, prefers the Cote d'Azur, London, Miami. You think the former republics peck at it, no. What is needed is a global, imperial goal, for the sake of which one does not feel sorry for its titmouse.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 November 2019 10: 39 New
      -6
      Russia does not have enough money for all sorts of imperial goals - and our elites abroad now have problems with sanctions and seizures of accounts and property on the Cote d'Azur in London and Miami.
  • fraders
    fraders 26 November 2019 08: 21 New
    +1
    need to stop feeding russophobes
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 November 2019 10: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: fraders
      need to stop feeding russophobes

      So you are your foreign policy, TV (Kiselev and nightingales), Zhirik, etc. - you feed and grow Russophobes.
      Feed with spoons.
      You have been on TV for 5 years now, which channel do not turn on - either Ukraine or enemies around.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 26 November 2019 08: 33 New
    +3
    The main thing is not to rush about, throwing “tips” to the right and left in an attempt to buy the “love” of neighbors. The edible causes only gloating and disrespect. It is necessary to work for the country, and not to rob it. Although they often dislike a strong host, they always respect them. Russia will stand firmly on its feet, they themselves will come. As has happened more than once in history with the same Georgians, with the same Ukrainians.
  • Pecheneg
    Pecheneg 26 November 2019 08: 39 New
    0
    One of the main mistakes of the Russian government is the ejection of the former Soviet republics from the ruble zone in the early 90s. If Messrs. Shokhin and Yeltsin did not do this, now financial and economic ties would give Russia one more lever of influence on the former republics of the USSR.
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 26 November 2019 09: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: Pecheneg
      One of the main mistakes of the Russian government is the ejection of the former Soviet republics from the ruble zone in the early 90s. If Messrs. Shokhin and Yeltsin did not do this, now financial and economic ties would give Russia one more lever of influence on the former republics of the USSR.

      It was not a mistake, it was made by decree of the overseas curators
      1. atalef
        atalef 26 November 2019 10: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: Svetlana
        Quote: Pecheneg
        One of the main mistakes of the Russian government is the ejection of the former Soviet republics from the ruble zone in the early 90s. If Messrs. Shokhin and Yeltsin did not do this, now financial and economic ties would give Russia one more lever of influence on the former republics of the USSR.

        It was not a mistake, it was made by decree of the overseas curators

        Well, it is worth recalling the ruble of the late 90s and early 2000s, there was a very attractive currency.
        2-defaults, half of the country bucks in the egg caps.
        Well, the top of stability is right - and all the guests. Dep is to blame, he is also in the elevators .... pissing
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 26 November 2019 13: 00 New
          +1
          Given that it was Amis who did everything to ruin the country, then yes, the State Department is to blame. The principle of "Divide and Conquer" they know not by hearsay.
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 26 November 2019 08: 56 New
    +4
    Quote: Pessimist22
    As the state of Russia refers to its citizens, so they are to us, nothing unusual.What can a rich and impoverished Russia do their former republics?


    So I see, your statement was liked by everyone and is well splashed. But at the same time, it contains exactly what is insulting to the former republics. Republics, and today even states, should be accepted as independent entities, not their own, and then it will be much easier.
    And due to the abundance of advantages, we can conclude that many do not understand or do not accept this.
    1. Andrey Grad
      Andrey Grad 28 November 2019 00: 33 New
      0
      Rather, you do not understand the reality of the existence of these "independent subjects." We live in the Baltic states and see everything from the inside, the republics are so small that all processes are almost transparent, all the inhabitants, either relatives or friends after 2-3 people. It is difficult to hide the true vectors of influence from the people and we see them daily. There was no independence from the very beginning and no now. All key decisions are made in the west and voiced by people from there in local governments. Even the local population, covered in Nazi propaganda, is completely aware of this, but cannot do anything.
  • BAI
    BAI 26 November 2019 09: 01 New
    +4
    the very power of these elites is based on the opposition of their countries to the Russian state.

    An external enemy is always needed, in the struggle against which society rallies around power. When the economic situation is poor, an external enemy is vital (especially if he is not going to attack).
    Russia can throw a bisser in the post-Soviet space as much as you like. She will be designated an enemy by definition. There is no one else.
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 November 2019 10: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: BAI
      the very power of these elites is based on the opposition of their countries to the Russian state.

      An external enemy is always needed, in the struggle against which society rallies around power. When the economic situation is poor, an external enemy is vital (especially if he is not going to attack).

      Did you write about Russian television?
    2. atalef
      atalef 26 November 2019 10: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: BAI
      the very power of these elites is based on the opposition of their countries to the Russian state.

      An external enemy is always needed, in the struggle against which society rallies around power. When the economic situation is poor, an external enemy is vital (especially if he is not going to attack).

      Did you write about Russian television?
  • Boozer
    Boozer 26 November 2019 09: 01 New
    +3
    For thirty years, two generations have grown not only in the former post-Soviet republics, but also in Russia itself. Late to write such articles, dear author. We must accept the state of things in the post-Soviet space and build relations with our neighbors. And do not strengthen control and influence.
    1. sevryuk
      sevryuk 26 November 2019 09: 30 New
      +1
      These generations in many republics are generations of the same people. In divided Poland, how many generations have changed? But then there was no Internet and television. A false identity is easy to impose, but also easy to destroy. There are just times to scatter stones, and there are times to collect them ...
  • DNS-a42
    DNS-a42 26 November 2019 09: 06 New
    +5
    Russian capitalism is a second-rate copy of Western capitalism, inferior to the original in almost everything. He has no prospects either for Russia itself or for its neighbors. Moreover, on what principles to unite? We deny the Soviet period. What can we offer in return? Nicholas 2 and the White Guards? Rottenberg instead of Powder?

    Is there a chance to rectify the situation?

    There is. The working majority needs to unite: organize trade unions, fight for their rights, study Marxism, and then create their own political organization - the Communist Party. Then return socialism, breaking the back of capitalism. Then, the neighbors will understand that there is a fairer world order, which we must strive for.
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 26 November 2019 12: 37 New
      -1
      What nonsense is crazy
  • New Year day
    New Year day 26 November 2019 09: 10 New
    +5
    adequate article with common thoughts and conclusions!
    ... why was it necessary to separate and create their own sovereign state.

    Everything is simple: the question of personal power was resolved. After all, the collapse of the USSR took place “thanks to” the thirst for personal power of the EBN and hatred of Gorbachev. At this moment, the republican princes sensed the opportunity to become FIRST on their own! So they became them.
    Two generations grew up in the former Soviet republics that were not connected by a common state and common history with Russia. What consequences this led to, we see on the example of Ukraine with its militant Russophobia, which, incidentally, is supported by many people of Russian origin who had already grown up in the post-Soviet Ukrainian state.

    Quite right, and further this process will increase, like a snowball. I already wrote more than once that out of 35 samplers in the ATO, about 30 were created from the population of Central and Eastern Ukraine, who traditionally gravitated to Russia
    ... for the failures of foreign policy in the post-Soviet space lies, first of all, on the two main departments of the Russian government - the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation.

    Forgot to mention SVR, Ministry of Culture, Education, Health.
    With the complete nonsense of the supreme power and condescending, arrogant assessment of the situation, they say where they
    ... go away
    , "these are not states, but formations", exactly what happened and could not be otherwise.
    “Cadres decide everything” - it was extremely relevant then and now. And what cadres "solved" the issue in the post-Soviet space? - The reformer Zurabov and the like! Why be surprised!
    Need to leverage political and economic pressure

    I would like to understand what this is all about? These levers are lost, they simply do not exist.
    Pressure requires economic power, authority and the image of a prosperous, strong, caring country. Is this applicable to Russia now?
    1. comradChe
      comradChe 26 November 2019 11: 03 New
      -1
      I always read with deep interest your comments Sylvester. Thank you for the clarity of thought and the rigor of the presentation. With respect to you.
  • Nestorych
    Nestorych 26 November 2019 09: 17 New
    +2
    Indeed, the situation when we reduce barriers to obtaining citizenship to migrants, and in the homeland of these migrants oppresses and survives Russian-speaking people in every way, is not normal, and not understanding this or understanding, but not taking measures, is a crime against our people and their safety.

    Not with this power!)) In general, everything is simple, the development of our own country, society and economy, when it starts buying their raw materials from the former republics, and we will supply them with high-tech nishtyaks, and at the state level we will be attractive for their society, everything will work out!))) So far the opposite is true, we ourselves are driving the raw materials for export, the Russians are leaving and dying ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 November 2019 10: 51 New
      -4
      Their migrant workers ’flows, it’s time to shut down their societies by working in Russia, we drive raw materials for export, but every year we begin to supply more and more products of processing these raw materials, a small number of people leave, Russians die — okay, in the 90s every year one and a half million died, and now for two hundred thousand per year, not an indicator for extinction in a country with a population of 147 million - we are waiting for the census in 2020.
  • Scud
    Scud 26 November 2019 09: 27 New
    0
    To my conviction, Russia acts in foreign policy, well, not so much as you please, but something like this.
    But the Americans and other seams ... appear under the flag, against scrap there is no reception. And they achieved noticeable success in this, spitting on all sorts of morals, treaties and principles. They will make the same flag inside Russia, having destroyed the moral of citizens, the history of Orthodoxy, and there is no need to throw rockets.
  • Igor Pa
    Igor Pa 26 November 2019 09: 31 New
    -1
    At the Minsk airport there are all inscriptions in 3 languages: Belarusian, Russian and Chinese.
    1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 26 November 2019 10: 13 New
      0
      As for the Chinese - I do not believe !!!
      1. mikle1999
        mikle1999 26 November 2019 11: 09 New
        0
        Have you been to Sheremetyevo for a long time?
        1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
          Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 26 November 2019 13: 04 New
          0
          I will not lie, quite a while - in recent years I travel by train! Is there really an inscription in Chinese ???
          1. Igor Pa
            Igor Pa 27 November 2019 12: 01 New
            0
            Was in August. Why am I whistling !? I speak as it is.
        2. The comment was deleted.
        3. Igor Pa
          Igor Pa 27 November 2019 12: 08 New
          0
          In 2005, a long time ago I was not in Sherementyevo. In general, every year I fly somewhere. But in Chinese I saw only in China. Well, in Minsk, of course.
    2. 1500014781401
      1500014781401 26 November 2019 12: 08 New
      +1
      And in Soviet times, in what language were the inscriptions? We Belarusians renamed the streets? Monuments destroyed? We were not up to stupid things.
    3. Avior
      Avior 26 November 2019 20: 58 New
      0

      https://ru.depositphotos.com/195824064/stock-photo-minsk-belarus-may-01-2018.html
      in Belarusian not? smile
      1. Igor Pa
        Igor Pa 27 November 2019 12: 04 New
        0
        Not everywhere is in Belarusian but in Chinese is everywhere
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 26 November 2019 09: 56 New
    0
    Alas, the ruling national oligarchs do not want to get closer and let foreign oligarchs to themselves ...
    This is clearly visible everywhere ...
    You can say everything, but money - apart ...
  • faterdom
    faterdom 26 November 2019 10: 04 New
    +3
    There was such a CIS defense minister - Air Marshal Shaposhnikov. He first guessed out loud that he was performing a fictitious position and stopped doing it. The rest of the officials and diplomats still play it all. Not free, by the way.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 26 November 2019 10: 18 New
    0
    Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
    The responsibility for the failures of foreign policy in the post-Soviet space lies primarily with two main departments of the Russian government - the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation.

    The author is a little disingenuous.
    All personal responsibility for the failures of foreign policy lies directly with our GUARANTEE of the Constitution.
    He personally appoints ministers, ambassadors, etc.
    What a guarantor, such and ministers, and, accordingly, foreign policy.
    Our country is ruled by thieves, bribe takers and other scum who do not care about their own people. Moreover, their children and relatives live, study and work abroad.
    Who would want to deal with such a country? What goes around comes around.

    All this is so, only under what Minister of Foreign Affairs and the Presidential Administration everything was properly built in foreign policy, under Shevarnadze, Kozyrev or under whom. Primakov was the only bright spot, but suffered for it, removed from office. Then is it all to blame and everything was lost only under Putin, or was this mine laid during the USSR, but built under Yeltsin?
  • starshina78
    starshina78 26 November 2019 10: 34 New
    +2
    If there were people in the leadership of the Russian Federation interested in contacts and friendship with countries that were formerly members of the USSR, then there would be no such thing as now. Today, the country is ruled by oligarchs who are interested only in profit at all costs, and friendship and mutual relations are for them something ephemeral and not profitable.
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 26 November 2019 11: 02 New
    0
    I read the comments! Everything is correct. The essence of the problem is that in Russia real power belongs to a handful of comprador bourgeoisie and power structures are nothing more than guardians of its interests. Throwing stones at Putin is useless, because Putin is nothing more than a servant of the Sechins, Alikperovs, Fridman and others like them - the authorities’ attention to rearmament is nothing more than a guarantee that, for example, nobody will take Gazprom away from Miller. Be in its place even Zyuganov, the situation will not change. Therefore, all talk of a paradigm shift is no more than blah blah. The author himself correctly writes that the CIS countries are indifferent to our "business captains". They will show interest only if a real threat to their capital occurs from these countries, and whether this will happen is unclear.
  • mikle1999
    mikle1999 26 November 2019 11: 05 New
    -1
    Here you are a post-Soviet state. Observe Russia, USA, China, Germany. Someone more like the political and economic structure of China, someone the United States, someone Germany or Sweden. But it’s hard for me to imagine a country and a people who want to make themselves in Russia. Therefore, it can be taken into account as a supplier of raw materials, as a military threat, as a guarantor of the protection of the ruling elite (the same Assad), but in no way a role model.
  • DPN
    DPN 26 November 2019 11: 17 New
    0
    As soon as the PEOPLE of Russia live no worse than a handful of oligarchs, everyone will return immediately, the question is whether the tops of Russia need it.
  • iouris
    iouris 26 November 2019 12: 19 New
    +1
    The Russian Federation did not lose, but dispersed the "post-Soviet space." Have you forgotten how, starting in 1985, on a command from Moscow, campaigns began to clarify the issue of who was being fed whom or “hto s'il our fat, hto drinking our vodka?” And Yeltsin also got out on this, and the Communist Party supported "sovereignty." And after a few years, the Americans commanded everywhere.
  • Eugene (Eugene)
    Eugene (Eugene) 26 November 2019 13: 23 New
    +3
    Ilya, a good article. Thank you for the good analysis.

    In the "dashing 90s", representatives of the political elite of the Asian republics asked Yeltsin what to do with the Russians (the example of Kyrgyzstan), the meaning of what Yeltsin said was "do what you want."

    Until in our country, at the state level, there is a “debriefing” of the political past: the Khrushchev era (the “bomb” that he planted under the USSR, starting from the 1th Congress), the Gorbachev era, the Yeltsin era, we, without making a clear, (h) a compromise analysis that is unpleasant for us, but honest with ourselves - only this way and that way, we and our state will be able to take the "right" steps towards a solution to the crisis. Also, the analysis of the geopolitical situation that was in the past, during such periods of time when there were rulers of the Russian land (especially with an "inquisitive predilection"): Prince Svyatoslav (war with the Khazar Khaganate), the era of Ivan the Terrible, Peter the 2st, Catherine the 2nd, Pavel the 1nd, Alexander the 1st, Nikolai the 2st, Alexander the 2nd, Nikolai the XNUMXnd, Joseph Stalin. Also pay special attention to the sensitive issue - schism in the church. Church question (together or separately go to Victoria of the Russian state?), What do we need - capitalism or socialism in the "new transformation"? We all need to decide whether to support the concept of the Third Rome. Assessment of the works of Russian thinkers at the general educational level for boys and girls - analysis of the works: Danilevsky N. Ya. ("Russia and Europe"), Leontiev K. N., Ilyin I. A., Solovyov S. S., Dostoevsky M. F ., Klyuchevsky O.K. and other thinkers. And also do not forget about the thinkers of the East, etc. The era of Greece, Rome. Acquaintance with the writings of the holy ministers of the church: Nikolai Serbsky, Ignatius Brianchaninov and others. Study - analysis of the civil war in Russia and the formation of the state - the USSR. Education in the USSR - an analysis of education in the era of Stalin (pay special attention). The return (amendments to the constitution) of a nation-wide (generally accepted), popularly-approved ideology of the Russian state.

    German Gref said that examinations in schools are not needed, schools with a mathematical bias are not needed, etc.
    Chubais, we all know how he speaks about Dostoevsky and the people of Russia.

    And here it is clearly visible that a change of "elites" is necessary. Let not everyone, but a change is needed exactly, but how to make sure that there is no confusion, because the enemy is at the gates. Or, during a military confrontation with the forces of darkness, a transformation of power will occur (partial or complete). Good or bad - this time will tell. Is there another way? I guess he is.

    And we need to confront globalization (to oppose the project - dividing society by class - everything is "elite", but you need something to defeat the "universal", forced chipping of the Russian population, it is prepared for us by the "elite".

    Example: In Tomsk, Professor Konstantin Olegovich Belyakov decided to take part in an experiment and implant an electronic chip under his skin. It serves as a bank card, an electronic key for access to the TSU buildings and the Troika transport card, which is used in Moscow, TASS reports with reference to the press service.




    Perhaps this is what they are planning in large numbers after the military collapse, when people will howl, tired of the warrior. If they succeed? We have chances.

    First you need to start with yourself. Start a liberation spiritual warfare within yourself. And learns to live in love and harmony with each other.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 26 November 2019 15: 15 New
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      Quote: Eugene (Eugene)
      We have chances.

      The fact of the matter is that there is no chance.
      By the way, the vice-rector competently chips on his right hand.
      1. Eugene (Eugene)
        Eugene (Eugene) 26 November 2019 16: 38 New
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        After darkness comes dawn. Let's not despair.

        Regards, Eugene.
    2. iouris
      iouris 26 November 2019 16: 00 New
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      Quote: Eugene (Eugene)
      you have to start with yourself. Start a liberation spiritual warfare within yourself.

      This war "within itself" ended in self-destruction - the "Soviet people, Soviet people" no longer exist. The latest spiritual shepherds with a time lag lead us to their "Europe", where Soviet people are uncompetitive. Keep up with the latest laws and bills.
      1. Eugene (Eugene)
        Eugene (Eugene) 26 November 2019 16: 39 New
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        After darkness comes dawn. Let's not despair.

        Regards, Eugene.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 26 November 2019 17: 34 New
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        This does not concern atheists - everything is fine with us, because there are no "spiritual shepherds" who lead someone somewhere.
  • Uma palata
    Uma palata 26 November 2019 14: 01 New
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    Regarding the "guilt" of Russia for the loss of control over the outskirts - complete nonsense. This is not fault, but the result of the defeat of our country in the nineties. We were not just defeated and plundered; everything was cleaned out from us. People, wealth, idea. In the last war, the country was devastated by a gang of Europeans only to the Urals, now all. To the most remote Siberian village, to the nomads in the tundra. Completely. And therefore, the Power has weakened. In such a position, trying to maintain control of the outskirts is absolutely impossible. And all the blasts on the outskirts is a natural historical process, it is useless to slow it down. Outskirts will return by themselves. Everything, including the Balts and the Highlanders. But this is a different topic.
  • 1536
    1536 26 November 2019 14: 14 New
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    “Get away from your enemies and be careful with your friends” - it is written in the Bible.
  • awdrgy
    awdrgy 26 November 2019 14: 17 New
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    It is possible to be together voluntarily only having the same worldview and a common idea or goal rallying. In Russia itself the worldview of people is already diverging although the critical threshold has not yet been fully achieved. The question of which worldview of which part of the Russian population (capable of making and implementing decisions) corresponds to what of the republic (or part of it) capable of making and implementing decisions. Question, if the above coincides, will these groups have a common goal? (
    1. iouris
      iouris 26 November 2019 14: 26 New
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      The common goal is to eat, it cannot but eat.
  • Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 26 November 2019 17: 41 New
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    Russia has lost the post-Soviet space due to the excessive softness of the Russian leadership in foreign policy and flirting with nationalities ... The weak are not respected, they are not joined
  • Megatron
    Megatron 26 November 2019 21: 41 New
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    Cut them all and all. Introduce visas to start. Guest workers - home. And stop feeding the poor to Armenia, and all kinds of camps there.
  • Alexga
    Alexga 27 November 2019 00: 24 New
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    On the 21st, Solovyov discussed the issue of relations with Belarus. It started around 2.02.00. On YouTube it is. Solovyov can be treated in different ways, I do not advertise his program, just there it is very interesting to explain the topic of this discussion. Opinions of various politicians, including those from the presidential team of the Russian Federation.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 27 November 2019 08: 15 New
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    In what, in what, and in global issues we are baffling. We don’t want to see how modern culture destroys us, this muscular soulless woman. We don’t want to see normal films. These are obscure dialogs. Give us mountains of corpses. Explosions, a shell in flight and all such rubbish. An ordinary person must do his job, his own police, and his army. Only a calm and competent society can conquer all adversities.
  • akunin
    akunin 27 November 2019 09: 12 New
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    How Russia lost the post-Soviet space and what to do
    build up economic power, develop industry and technology (somewhere Putin’s dagger), don’t give everyone money, don’t get into unnecessary wars ...
  • Basarev
    Basarev 27 November 2019 09: 49 New
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    In order to attract other nations, in order to achieve their respect, you first need to respect your own. That is Russian. And we even do not mention the word, in the constitution there is not a single mention of the Russian people.
  • smaug78
    smaug78 27 November 2019 12: 22 New
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    As for the flagships of the modern Russian economy - the oil and gas industry, they are not interested in the post-Soviet market. - cheating
    1. Karen
      Karen 27 November 2019 12: 27 New
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      Quote: smaug78
      As for the flagships of the modern Russian economy - the oil and gas industry, they are not interested in the post-Soviet market. - cheating

      Really? Your gas workers forbade us from Iran to supply a normal diameter gas pipeline - so that they could not transit to Georgia and God forbid - to Ukraine ...
  • Karen
    Karen 27 November 2019 15: 45 New
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    Quote: faterdom
    There was such a CIS defense minister - Air Marshal Shaposhnikov. He first guessed out loud that he was performing a fictitious position and stopped doing it. The rest of the officials and diplomats still play it all. Not free, by the way.

    It was Shaposhnikov who left the sea of ​​small arms from the USSR’s inheritance in Chechnya, which they immediately distributed to the population ... I have vague suspicions that Shaposhnikov knew why he did this ...
  • Nick Russ
    Nick Russ 28 November 2019 20: 31 New
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    Unlike the USA and the USSR, Russia is trying not to influence the politics of neighboring and other countries. And in this, in my opinion, makes a mistake.
    Nowadays, money plays a big role in the election of heads of state. That is, it is advertising, the right words and deeds disseminated on TV. And if our country invested in the right candidate for the presidency, then almost everywhere friendly people sat at the head. And there would be no LDNR and others, since everyone would live in peace and harmony.
    Both materially and culturally, everyone would benefit from this.
    This is not too late to do now. Only now, to restore order, as Zhirinovsky said, do you need a military dictator to quickly shut up those who disagree.
  • gromovan
    gromovan 2 December 2019 17: 21 New
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    The departure of the republics did not happen all of a sudden. In the early 70s, as Anatoly Chernyaev * reports in his diaries, the Politburo discussed the problem of nationalism in the republics, in particular Ukrainian. According to Andropov’s report, Chernyaev points out, back in the late 60s, Ukrainian nationalists started a move away from Russia.
    And the local authorities in the republics blame Moscow for all the troubles, they even explain their mistakes with the intrigues of Moscow, which is why the separatist sentiment is being heated.
    At some point, the degraded political elite, already infected with hedonism (which Chernyaev writes about, as can be seen in the cinema of that time), by consumers, desired to integrate into the "global" world. Then, as I read more than once, a course was taken on the raw materials industry to the detriment of other sectors.
    Just the highest leaders of the republics wished to become kings of their republics, to live in the West. Indeed, nationalism is most often the interest of local capital.
    There was such a Ukrainian nationalist Lukyanenko. While Ukraine was fighting for independence, it was popular, needed. When the communists degenerated into capitalists gained power in the republic, they forgot about it.
    The golden calf defeated the USSR. The roots of separatism in it.
    * Anatoly Sergeyevich Chernyaev (May 25, 1921, Moscow - March 12, 2017, ibid.) - Soviet historian and party leader, assistant to the general secretary of the CPSU Central Committee, then president of the USSR for international affairs (1986-1991).