"30 years waiting for prosperity to come like in America": the release of the Agitprop program


Why, for all the advertised achievements of capitalism, do some countries maintain economic prosperity and a high standard of living, while other countries are not able to provide their population with even basic benefits? Why do some have advantages in the markets for goods and services, while others initially play the role of a provincial periphery with a depressed economy and social environment?


These issues are raised in the new issue of Agitprop by Konstantin Semin. According to him, adherents of capitalist theory are promoting the idea that if a country cannot achieve economic prosperity, it is connected either with a “lack of democracy” or with the fact that they tried to build socialism in the country.

The material contains a statement by the head of the Accounts Chamber, Alexei Kudrin, who says that for normal development, “for iPhones and space exploration,” competition is needed, primarily in the private sector.

Konstantin Semin:

Even in the offices of the Kremlin there are people who insist that it will be thick with us too, it will be like in America, only we need to be patient a little. And now we are suffering, suffering, squinting for 30 years. We tolerate, but as in America, for some reason it does not work out. That is, someone, of course, personally came, but then bad luck: not with you.

According to the author of the video, the privatization of the 90's is somewhat reminiscent of the option of English enclosure or American slavery: when some years worked for the benefit of others - those who eventually turned out to be a moneybags, having plundered national wealth.

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  1. The leader of the Redskins 25 November 2019 09: 04 New
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    Everyone knows everything and, according to Zhvanetsky, even the light at the end of the tunnel is visible, only the tunnel, damn it, does not end! ...
    1. APES 25 November 2019 09: 08 New
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      some countries maintain economic prosperity and a high standard of living, while other countries are not capable

      Since the existing socio-economic paradigm will not allow another - well-being through robbery and any country that raises its head will immediately begin to democratize, following the example of Libya
    2. tihonmarine 25 November 2019 09: 10 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      even the light at the end of the tunnel is visible, only the tunnel, damn it, does not end!

      The tunnel can and ends somewhere, but here's the trouble, someone turned off the light.
      1. APES 25 November 2019 09: 17 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        even the light at the end of the tunnel is visible, only the tunnel, damn it, does not end!

        The tunnel can and ends somewhere, but here's the trouble, someone turned off the light.

        And those who are happy with the trough ....
        1. tihonmarine 25 November 2019 09: 52 New
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          Quote: APES
          And those who are happy with the trough ....

          But you don’t need to haul light from the feeder, it is possible in the dark. The main thing is not to go anywhere.
    3. Bar2 25 November 2019 09: 13 New
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      30 years of waiting for prosperity as in America ": the release of the program" Agitprop


      why not? Some Abramovich, Usman, Melnichenko and another hundred billionaires have already waited for the kingdom of God on earth.
      1. Rwmos 25 November 2019 09: 19 New
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        Or like Musk, Rockefeller, Zuckerberg - and everywhere else. And then the picture is wrong there. It is necessary:
        1. rocket757 25 November 2019 10: 40 New
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          Quote: RWMos
          And then the picture is wrong there. It is necessary:

          In the picture WHO, Bonnie and Clyde ...... they didn’t finish ah, if that.
          1. Rwmos 25 November 2019 10: 46 New
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            Berezovsky too. Yes, and Navalenok sat, and he is an oligarch. And so on gangsterism - the leader - and always the leader was not the Russian Federation at all, but the USA. For example, they have in the armed forces NOW - about 10% - active members of the BAND, and this is not Kremlin propaganda, but a book, a bestseller, by the way, by Matt Kennard "Irregular Army: how the American military took to the war on terror neo-Nazis, members of bandit groups and criminals. "
            The picture in the article is just a complete atas! Especially remembering. that one of the promises of TRUMP before the last election is to start a war with gangs that control not even the regions, but entire cities in the USA ... And what can we say about that picture? What is the exact opposite!
            1. rocket757 25 November 2019 11: 05 New
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              Quote: RWMos
              And so on gangsterism - the leader - and always the leader was not the Russian Federation at all, but the USA.

              If you look at different sources, in stripes and inmates, per capita, above all ... even if you filter out every little thing from serious offenses.
              Such is ce la vie.
              By the way, why is it so unpleasant, is Russia ahead of the rest ??? Difficult to answer at all.
            2. Tsoy 25 November 2019 11: 15 New
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              Quote: RWMos
              And so on gangsterism - the leader - and always the leader was not the Russian Federation at all, but the USA.


              Yeah. And on violent deaths almost equally ...
              1. Tsoy 25 November 2019 11: 31 New
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                Quote: Choi
                Yeah. And on violent deaths almost equally ...


                Comment wrote and climbed to check statistics. Kills for 2016. USA - 17 thousand, Russia - 15 thousand. In terms of 100 thousand population. USA - 5, RF - 10. But Russian statistics also take into account attempted murders. Officially recorded killings in 2018 - 7609 people, 2017 - 8844 people. In terms of population, this is 7 murders per 100 thousand.
                1. Rwmos 25 November 2019 11: 47 New
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                  Those. in the United States an attempted murder did NOT get into the statistics - it’s logical, what. Nafig statistics spoil yourself ... And I wonder how many exactly the killings according to the classification of the United States in Russia? And as long as it’s a comparison of warm with soft
                  1. Tsoy 25 November 2019 11: 57 New
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                    Attempted murder and murder are still different things. What does warm and soft have to do with it? You can compare precisely for murders per capita. The numbers above are. And it turns out that only officially in the Russian Federation they kill more than in the USA. But in numbers, there are more people killed in the United States.
                    1. Nick 25 November 2019 12: 48 New
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                      Quote: Choi
                      You can compare precisely for murders per capita. The numbers above are. And it turns out that only officially in the Russian Federation they kill more than in the USA.

                      In the United States, citizens have legal civilian weapons and can defend themselves, while in Russia, alas, the criminals have trunks, and there is nothing for a law-abiding citizen to defend. Therefore, crimes against the person in Russia more if you count per capita.
                      1. Tsoy 25 November 2019 13: 32 New
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                        Quote: Nick
                        and in Russia, alas, the criminals have trunks, and there is nothing for a law-abiding citizen to defend. Therefore, crimes against the person in Russia more if you count per capita.


                        I agree that in the United States a person has more chances for self-defense, but in the Russian Federation this will not work. Let’s solve the short barrel now, and then the Wild West will begin. And with our judicial system ... So for the same situation as in the United States with regards to a firearm, you need not only to increase the culture of handling weapons, but also to take care of laws on self-defense measures. Now try to protect your house with a gun ... Immediately they will give a deadline without understanding.
                      2. The popuas 25 November 2019 13: 37 New
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                        Nothing will start, on the contrary, bandits will think a hundred times whether to go to work if the citizen has weapons!
                    2. NEXUS 25 November 2019 16: 09 New
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                      Quote: Nick
                      Therefore, crimes against the person in Russia more if you count per capita.

                      Interesting logic ... wassat That is, if in the USSR, in which almost 300 million lived, ordinary people did not have weapons, then, according to your logic, there should be more murders ...
                      I remember how my friend passed from one end of the city to the other at 3 nights, nobody touched her finger. And now would you let your wife go for a walk like this?
                      It’s not a matter of the quantity of weapons, but the matter of culture, moral values, education, etc. ... if a person is educated, cultured, spiritual, he won’t go out to kill, even if he has an arsenal in the cellar to start a war with another state .
                    3. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 16: 59 New
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                      I wonder if your friend would walk in Kazan at the beginning of the 80s at night? Or St. Petersburg Cupcake? I don’t think so.
                    4. Nick 25 November 2019 18: 29 New
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                      Quote: NEXUS
                      An interesting logic ... That is, if in the USSR, in which almost 300 million lived, ordinary people did not have weapons, then according to your logic, there should be more murders ...

                      In the USSR, there were no such opportunities as now to legalize the unjustly obtained, therefore there was less temptation to commit a crime against the person, there was practically no drug addict, homeless people and other lumpenes, and this is all a criminal-generating environment. Absent almost completely illegal arms trafficking. But most importantly, in the USSR there was an order of magnitude more serious control over society by the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the KGB and other government agencies.
                      Based on the foregoing, comparing the USSR and today's Russia, IMHO, is not entirely correct. hi
                    5. NEXUS 25 November 2019 19: 55 New
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                      Quote: Nick
                      Based on the foregoing, comparing the USSR and today's Russia, IMHO, is not entirely correct.

                      And I don’t compare ... I’m talking about the values ​​that we had and which are in the West. And that’s all, as it flows from the sewer pipe to us. Now the concept of decency is essentially not there, because now people do not live, but survive. Then there was the time of Gosha from “Moscow Doesn’t Believe in Tears,” a decent, sleek, and right man. And now the standard of success is a millionaire with a mistress, an airplane and a suit from Armani, or a rapper who calls himself black and imagines himself to be the navel of the earth.
                      You say, there was control over the population of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the KGB and so on ... and so the nation was the most read, educated. They didn’t keep us in the ghetto, behind barbed wire, we did not impose taxes, loans, prices, and did not poison us with food that even pigs disdain to eat.
                    6. Liam 25 November 2019 20: 13 New
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                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Then there was the time of Gosha from “Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears,” a decent, sleevey and right man

                      Was it that, by the age of 45, there was no stake or yard, he lived in a bomjak and regularly went into binge?
                    7. Nick 25 November 2019 23: 40 New
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                      Quote: NEXUS
                      .And now the standard of success is a millionaire with a mistress, an airplane and a suit from Armani, or a rapper who calls himself black, and imagines himself to be the navel of the earth.

                      Well, it's like someone. Seven may be a reference. And for me, this is the standard of stupidity and stupidity. He put his soul on the acquisition of earthly goods, on vanity, but they turned out to be not his, but in temporary use only. What will this successful millionaire take to the grave? NOTHING. And he exchanged the immortal soul for money-grubbing.
                2. Sergey1987 3 December 2019 14: 29 New
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                  Quote: NEXUS
                  I remember how my friend passed from one end of the city to the other at 3 nights, nobody touched her finger. And now would you let your wife go for a walk like this?

                  This is in what city of the Russian Federation, I’m curious, at 3 a.m. you can’t walk around the city.
            3. Rwmos 25 November 2019 12: 57 New
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              The numbers above - exactly how many in the Russian Federation are KILLED? There is a figure - killings PLUS the attempted murder, and in the USA you have found ONLY murder WITHOUT an attempt on it. Something you compare with?
              In the USA, citizens have legal civilian weapons and can protect themselves, but in Russia, alas, the trunks of criminals

              Exactly. that’s what we’re talking about, like the law on the prohibition of the short barrel. Crime took the barrel, passed-applied-threw out. The chance of being caught is small. If I SUSPECT that they will try to bang me - I always need to carry the barrel with me. Sooner or later I will fall. So in whose interests is the law on the prohibition of a short barrel?
              1. Tsoy 25 November 2019 13: 27 New
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                The numbers above - exactly how many in the Russian Federation are KILLED? There is a figure - killings PLUS the attempted murder, and in the USA you have found ONLY murder WITHOUT an attempt on it. Something you compare with?


                Officially recorded killings 2018 - 7609 people, 2017 - 8844 people. In terms of population, this is 7 murders per 100 thousand.

                He said "there are numbers above." That is just murder. Therefore, I will quote myself again.

                What does warm and soft have to do with it? You can compare precisely for murders per capita. The numbers above are. And it turns out that only officially in the Russian Federation they kill more than in the USA. But in numbers, there are more people killed in the United States.


                More questions?
            4. Rwmos 25 November 2019 15: 00 New
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              Despite the fact that you compared the statistics - “killings plus attempted murders” and “killings ONLY”. Let’s think, since you do not really understand what I said to you THIRD TIME - you DO NOT WANT to understand or are engaged in propagondonia? Options are no longer outlined, if you do not take the option of delaying mental development.
              1. Tsoy 25 November 2019 16: 00 New
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                Quote: RWMos
                Despite the fact that you compared the statistics - “killings plus attempted murders” and “killings ONLY”. Let’s think, since you do not really understand what I said to you THIRD TIME - you DO NOT WANT to understand or are engaged in propagondonia? Options are no longer outlined, if you do not take the option of delaying mental development.


                Tell me, are you a Russian person? Can you read? No? I will write 4 times for slow-witted. Officially recorded killings in 2018 - 7609 people, 2017 - 8844 people. In terms of population, this is 7 murders per 100 thousand. These are only murders. In the Russian Federation. Excluding attempted murder.

                Kills for 2016. USA - 17 thousand. These are only murders. In terms of population, this is 5 killings per 100 thousand.

                How else to write to you so that you finally understand? Maybe a comic book in pictures for people with developmental delays? Just don’t say that you’ll have to write the same thing 5 times.
              2. Rwmos 25 November 2019 18: 43 New
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                Tell me, are you a Russian person? Can you read?

                Don’t fight, I was laughing ... And I can read better than you:
                Quote: Choi
                But Russian statistics also take into account attempted murders.

                Choi, by the way, is Korea ethnically. And HERE YOU - it's time to read, to study. At least what YOU wrote yourself, start small
              3. Tsoy 25 November 2019 20: 16 New
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                Quote: RWMos
                Choi, by the way, is Korea ethnically. And HERE YOU - it's time to read, to study. At least what YOU wrote yourself, start small


                Well, this phrase shows that Russian is not native. To send someone to study would be nice to start with yourself. Well, at least from 4 times the meaning of the comment reached in which everything was painted in black and white.
              4. Rwmos 25 November 2019 20: 50 New
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                What did some people not learn to read? So schools are degrading - Snot, aka Popel (Snot) studied at a much better school ... Abwehr ... Although, they say, they drove science into his ass - in the literal sense. Hint to curators - this is an effective method for such organisms. Avos and you learn to read
    4. WIKI 25 November 2019 16: 34 New
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      Quote: RWMos
      And I wonder how many murders according to the US classification in Russia?

      You are trying to compare not compared. First you need to compare the state of the investigative and judicial systems. Do you seriously believe in the impartiality of our bodies?
  • Alex Fox 25 November 2019 11: 34 New
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    the difference in 10 times you name almost equally. to tears
    1. Tsoy 25 November 2019 11: 36 New
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      Quote: Alex Fox
      the difference in 10 times you name almost equally. to tears


      Math textbook give use? Where is it 10 times? A maximum of 2. But in terms of the population in the Russian Federation kill more. Back to school.
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  • Sergey1987 3 December 2019 14: 27 New
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    Quote: RWMos
    For example, they have in the armed forces NOW - about 10% - active members of the BAND, and this is not Kremlin propaganda, but a book, a bestseller, by the way, by Matt Kennard "Irregular Army: how the American military took to the war on terror neo-Nazis, members of bandit groups and criminals. "

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNbpAhXyNl4
  • tihonmarine 25 November 2019 09: 53 New
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    Quote: Bar2
    why not? Some Abramovich, Usman, Melnichenko and another hundred billionaires have already waited for the kingdom of God on earth.

    Yes, because capitalism has come.
  • Let us leave God alone. And His kingdom. Heaven is against the rich, if w o After all, they, the rich, have a secret ... All clever and clever women know her? Not all? Then tell ...
    Wealth - it is ONLY at the expense of others. The prosperity is due to the hard work and your family (team). Wealth - it is necessary ,, pokatushki ,, on someone else's neck. That is why ,, grandfather ,, Lenin, absolutely rus with grandfather in spirit, sought to destroy the bourgeoisie as a class ,,.
    Heaven, in clear Russian, says: ,, You cannot serve God and your wallet at the same time. Then who are they serving? And guess three times .... Why they called the coup d'etat of 1917 ,, the Great October Socialist Revolution (all four words with a capital letter) ,,. It is ORTHODOX Russia that has told the whole world that it is not necessary to allow ordinary nonhumans to ride on people, making extensive use of the help of evil people. The whole PEOPLE WORLD applauded this event. But to keep the conquests of VOSR by the so-called so-called Atheism, people - citizens of the USSR failed. Evil is strong and powerful. Count, try, barracks of prisoners of the Nazi concentration camp on the famous newsreels .... It's not a joke to you - organize the demolition of the twin towers in New York or the whole state of terrorists in the Middle East ....
    Only PEOPLE can successfully fight ordinary nonhumans. Therefore, at the same time they are not needed. Therefore, they decompose them with the help of world media. .... Outright propaganda of crime ... criminals r o m and t and z and r u yut crime.
    Everything may end badly for the country of Russia. Heaven doesn’t need to! Values ​​do not represent - ,, as smoke disappears, but disappear ,,. The way out is to return the political power to PEOPLE. The sooner - the better it will be for everyone. Including and for sincerely mistaken and d and of t and to about in
  • Uncle lee 25 November 2019 09: 13 New
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    This interferes .....
    1. carstorm 11 25 November 2019 09: 29 New
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      and you are not interested in money in your life?) This picture matters to any person. just different requests
      1. Uncle lee 25 November 2019 09: 46 New
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        different requests
        And if the eyes are closed, then the requests are different
        1. carstorm 11 25 November 2019 09: 53 New
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          the income of any person matters to him. and poor and rich. if you mean that profits are higher than ordinary life, yes. and there are no simple altruists for a long time. You can’t feed children with slogans
          1. NEXUS 25 November 2019 14: 23 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            the income of any person matters to him.

            Profit, income ... by any means. Only money and profit are important. No morality and humanity. The law of capitalism! Where is it from? Right, from the USA. Here are such subjects as you, who rinsed the brains of this Western ideology, and sit here scribbling about the correctness and necessity of such a way of life.
            And then run to McDonald’s, eat another hamburger with your girlfriend (wife) and firmly believe that it’s all right, not harmful and certainly progressive. you measure happiness with numbers on a bank card.
            So you have been taught. Like Pinocchio, you were cut out from a palette and you, like the wooden soldier of Oorfene Deuce, went to tell everyone about the correctness of this way of life.
            You don’t even get a head start, and why our children began to get sick more often, why the food became not nutritious, but simply a snag for the stomach with flavorings, tarting agents, etc. ...
            You won’t stop and think about why life is getting more expensive every day, or is there some kind of special gasoline every day, or maybe wheat has become better? Well, all this does not reach you ... or rather, you don’t even think about it, running after green candy wrappers as insane, so that later you can take them back to the bank, begging for a new loan.
            So, Baratina, income matters, it’s a big deception, because instead of real values ​​came the dollar, banks, loans, and so on ... so people forgot how to love, make friends, value.
            Previously, 30-40 years ago, people didn’t close our doors, and they entered each other without ringing, knocking, etc. ... there were no alarms on cars, safes in houses, and on-door speakerphones ...
            But you don’t understand this, because they planed you for another ...
            1. carstorm 11 25 November 2019 17: 31 New
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              by itself. I do not drink and do not smoke. I go to the gym every single day. I’m trying to raise two and I'm waiting for a third child to go nuts, which is wrong compared to devouring vodka and beer and mayonnaise kg for an evening dude, that’s okay. I somehow do not mind at all. We are who we are.
            2. Sergey49 31 December 2019 01: 03 New
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              Yeah, before under socialism, people thought differently, more exaltedly:
              “Drag every nail from work, you're the boss here and not the guest.”
              - You want life, but you want to forge anyway you get ... (pennant).

              Oh, these storytellers with sclerosis: here I remember (good), but here I do not remember (bad).
      2. Ross xnumx 25 November 2019 09: 56 New
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        This picture matters to any person. just different requests

        You're lying! You're lying brazenly and stupidly, because you know perfectly well that in the world there are things that cannot be bought for any millions of dollars.
        Ah, about the queries you told the truth. Some have dedicated their lives to this:
        NEED TO LIVE TO EAT!
        And they continue to eat even when there is nowhere to shove, and then they begin to show swagger and disdain for those who have not yet chosen for themselves just such a path of "civilization" ...
        And the requests have always been different:
        “Someone has empty cabbage soup, but some have small pearls”
        Someone has honor, decency, nobility, and someone buys himself an involvement in the nobility and the elite, walking on their heads and corpses ...
        hi
        1. carstorm 11 25 November 2019 12: 46 New
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          you can take whatever you like and blame too. but I’ll just tell you, go and make life without these pieces of paper, try and then tell me that there are things that you can’t buy. and do not need these nonsense about eating to live. let's dress in rags and brush our teeth with urine. why spend money?
          1. Ross xnumx 25 November 2019 14: 01 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            you can take whatever you like and blame too. but I’ll just tell you, go and make life without these pieces of paper, try and then tell me that there are things that you can’t buy.

            I will try to break your stubbornness on my birthday. So, I’m many years old and I myself don’t need anything special. I don’t drink, do not smoke, lead a measured lifestyle, receive a pension (two: military and civil insurance in the amount of 29). Twice a week I send sms "900" to numbers 50 and 8888 - I hope to somehow alleviate the fate of my parents, whom fate has prepared a test - to overcome the serious illness of children that all of Russia is collecting for treatment. Every morning I repeat: “Our Father, even if you are in heaven! Hallowed be Your name, may Thy Kingdom come, may Thy will be done, like in heaven and on earth. Give us our daily bread today and leave us our debts and we leave our debtor; and do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the Kingdom and power and glory forever. Amen. "
            And further:
            "Lord, have mercy! Lord, have mercy! Lord, have mercy and bless the son of my servant of God *********** and grant him healing! Amen."
            And this recovery can neither be bought nor purchased on credit.
            I am sitting and typing, and tears are covering my eyes with a retired officer who could do without much and bear the hardships and hardships without requiring luxury ...
            And here you are sitting and carrying a damn thing. I don’t even understand why the earth wears such ghouls for which money has replaced everything - love, family, homeland ...
            1. carstorm 11 25 November 2019 17: 43 New
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              Do you know what is the difference between us? what you describe is your life and your choice. I'm not going to fit into it. my life is mine. you can serve and demand nothing, but why should I, for example, or others, live according to your ideas? you are sitting now insulting me as you like, but I'm not going down to your level, but trying to say basic things. You tell me about the treatment fee, only such children 30 years ago would simply die without the possibility of being treated for money. I heard all this altruistic nonsense many times. we don’t need to live well, we need to live right. it doesn’t even occur to you that these things go side by side. I also gave the army for many years. like my father.
              1. NEXUS 25 November 2019 19: 37 New
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                Quote: carstorm 11
                You tell me about the treatment fee, only such children 30 years ago would simply die without the possibility of being treated for money.

                30 years ago, our medicine was FREE and one of the most developed in the world. This is so that you do not let bubbles in.
                Do not drink, do not smoke, so what? This is what your body in old age will say thank you and no more ... and it’s not a fact that from such a new genetically mutilated food you won’t be bent from any sore that has arrived to you and doesn’t know where it came from. And now this is perceived not as some kind of idiocy and incorrectness, but as a fatum ... like, well, such a fate means.
                This Wonderland was not born here; it came from the West. Children sick all over the country collect a penny for treatment, while calmly perceiving the idiocy in the box of these so-called stars, which millions are overwhelming. The time of freaks, degenerates, moral freaks and mediocrity. Jokes below the belt, songs without meaning, books for the most part are idiotic with a paranoia in half. And all this with sauce is faster, so that you can get profit soon.
                If you ride Maybach, then you are successful, you are great, and if you walk, then you are nobody and you can’t call them. Therefore, rich female muskrats crush young children in parking lots, and after the court, a medical expert states that the child was intoxicated.
                And you sit here and talk about values?
                A friend of mine said, now God has been changed ... Christ used to be, and now the Golden Calf. And judging by your reasoning, you are his ardent adherent.
          2. NEXUS 25 November 2019 14: 52 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            let's dress in rags and brush our teeth with urine.

            And 40 years ago, people in rags walked, or brushed their teeth with urine? Che for nonsense then?
            For example, I’m thinking why people worked under the USSR, there were no beggars in the streets, beggars, grandmothers who, having worked all their lives, walk around the market and ask for money for bread. And I’m more than sure that you have never even given hundreds to such a grandmother, because she has grandchildren who must contain her. And if they don’t, she means that. So you reason ... and pass by pretending not to notice.
            Did you go to rags then? Or is a third of the population buying second-hand goods now, since there is not enough money for a new one? This is not rags?
            And you eat fast foot, thereby completely killing your digestive system - this is certainly more useful than brushing your teeth with urine.
            The Western way of life and values ​​... yeah ... look at how many cars are produced in the world every year and how many are bought. You will be very surprised at the difference. And this difference then rots in the parking lots by nobody bought, because it’s expensive to dispose of. But you are this scrap take hundreds of thousands and be very proud of it. And exactly the same bucket with nuts, stands somewhere in the USA in the parking lot and rusts, since they did not buy it. This is how immature morality, decency and Western values ​​are brought into their heads, so that later this creation would write about money, earnings and success.
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              let's not. you think in the USSR was your right abundance. I suppose I didn’t even have a normal house. we got our apartment in 1998. fast food I do not eat. healthy food is much more expensive but closer to me. I haven't eaten fried meat for about 8 years already. the higher the wealth, the more people eat right. the more they take care of their health. etc. etc. do not equal on your own.
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                Dmitry. And you received an apartment for how many rubles. In 1998, oh, how difficult it was to make a living.
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                  retirement through courts. how it happened.
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                And I have been eating fried meat and have been smoking for about 50 years. On occasion, I can roll 400-600 grams with my friends ...
                But I'm not talking about that.
                Today I met an advertisement in one office building.
                Literally, either you or you, '' how to properly exploit your subordinates to the fullest ...
                Here is such a seminar, naturally a Jew is conducting it (a seminar), he did not remember his last name ...
  • Civil 25 November 2019 09: 24 New
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    Kirdyk is soon your America. (c) 2000 Brother 2.
    Power is in the truth! And not in a dirty green piece of paper, also from 2000 of the year.
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      Quote: Civil
      Power is in the truth! And not in a dirty green piece of paper, also from 2000 of the year.

      Although, when there are a lot of these dirty papers, then there is a lot of strength. (But we have neither one nor the other).
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      Is it really only since 2000 but?
      As far as I can remember, America has been chasing the last days .....
      The sixth decade of decimation is coming ...
  • NEXUS 25 November 2019 13: 48 New
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    Everyone knows everything and, according to Zhvanetsky, even the light at the end of the tunnel is visible, only the tunnel, damn it, does not end! ...

    Do you really want to sip American well-being?
    Do you know, for example, that amphetamines are legal in the US? Fast food in the United States in 1910 was considered the food of the poor, and was sold only from carts. And even then everyone knew that this was a low-quality food.
    Look at the American athletes ... They all sit on amphetamines and doping. Anglo-Saxons, and in particular the USA, turned from WADA and the IOC not into a competition of athletes, but into a competition of pharmacologists, geneticists, chemists, etc. ... and this can not be called sports. The limit of strength, speed, endurance of people has long been passed, and therefore they are pumped with doping, amphitamines by athletes. And after these poor fellows there is cancer, drug addiction, alcoholism, heart and head problems, that is, these people turn into disabled people. In other words, if before, a person engaged in professional sports, strengthened his health, now, he shortens his life, kills his body and so on. And all this came from the USA.
    Have you ever thought why the last 20 years, food has become less nutritious, healthy, healthy? You look, for example, how many vitamins and min. Substances were in an apple or pear about 50 years ago, and how many are now. There is such data. So the comparison shows that several times less was all that was useful in vegetables, fruits, cereals, etc., compared with the time 40-50 years ago. And that is a fact. Now all the processes in the world are focused on making quick profits to the maximum. This is the law of the Western world, led by the United States. And this ideology has come to us. Why wait until the tomatoes ripen in the ground? You need to take care of them, water them, and process them. If you can use the chemistry and genetic engineering to get 8 crops of these tomatoes, which grow not in the ground, but in cotton bags. And what's in such tomatoes with vitamins, min substances? Have not thought about this?
    Doctors bred more than 50 years ago, but people began to get sick much more often and with such sores that they had not even heard of half a century ago. So why so? Again, the earliest possible profit. Doctors do not treat, but poison us with pills that are no longer treated, but crippled. For example, antibiotics. The same analgin dissolves in the stomach after only two weeks! If 50 years ago, diabetes was a relatively rare disease, now, this disease has gained momentum in the epidemic.
    50 years ago, no one even knew about the many psychological diseases that today multiply like mushrooms. In pursuit of money, profit, people drive themselves into a psychiatric hospital.
    The dominance of consumer Western ideology has led the world to ecological collapse. Why build a refinery, if you can stupidly merge everything into the seas and oceans? Again, speedy profit.
    Banks, loans, loans, mortgages, etc. ... where did it come from? Under the USSR, housing was provided to citizens for free!
    And are you dreamy here, talking about the tunnels of a bright western future? Yes, it would burn with a blue flame with this race for profit (by any means), money, etc.!
    Most citizens and our country have already firmly settled in the ideology of life for the sake of CONSUMPTION. Everything for the stomach, everything for cars, Bali and Goa, iPhones and more.
    We became like cattle, which are fed, milked for a while, and then sent for slaughter.
    And in the end, who benefits? Everyone knows the answer (at the same time, they write about the bright West) - the owners of the dollar, the owners of the world, the elite over the elites. They don’t eat fast food, they don’t go to crap doctors, they don’t go to rallies and don’t go to the people of the Immortal Regiment in the river. They all gave us this, and at the same time the ideology of the SLAVE CONSUMER.
    1. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 14: 28 New
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      What you just described is just a tribute to technological progress.
      1. NEXUS 25 November 2019 14: 31 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        What you just described is just a tribute to technological progress.

        Technological progress then progress when society does not regress. But our society is degrading, not evolving. People with a mobile go to the toilet. What can I talk about here at all?
        The degradation of society, managed. And this illusion of well-being is also not invented by ordinary people.
  • Xnumx vis 25 November 2019 09: 07 New
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    At first they expected universal prosperity and enlightenment under Sicilism and Communism ... For more than 70 years they have been waiting, struggling with deficits, glasses and imperialism ...
    1. bessmertniy 25 November 2019 09: 32 New
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      What was in short supply in the USSR in recent years did not belong to the main benefits - food sufficiency, shelter and warmth. The shortage of vodka, smoke, sugar, soap, etc. was created artificially to rock the system by those in the country who aimed to plunder it through privatization. hi
      1. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 10: 50 New
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        A shortage of many consumer goods was under Khrushchev and Brezhnev, long before perestroika.
        1. Mcar 25 November 2019 11: 41 New
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          A shortage of many consumer goods was under Khrushchev and Brezhnev, long before perestroika.

          Deficit deficit discord.

          Let's say there was a deficit in the USSR? It depends on how you look, at what price. According to the state, there was something. And on the market?
          Say there is a deficit in the Russian Federation? Again, at what price. There is no deficit in the market, but what is available in the affordable one. When a pensioner from 11 TR 7 classifies it as a communal apartment; the next 30 days he has a total deficit for everything.

          Again, a shortage of what - supply or consumption?
          Take housing. There was a terrible shortage in the USSR — they stood in line for years. In the Russian Federation, everything is fine with housing - there is no shortage. Full of empty, for sale apartments. It seems that those in need of a roof over their heads have already run out.

          Conclusion: There is probably no shortage on the shelves of the store. But, figuratively speaking, it is in the stomachs of millions. However, the stomach is not visible, and the showcase is there. And as if all is well - no shortage!
          1. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 11: 45 New
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            The market price, for example, for cars, clothing, household appliances, under the USSR was a crime - speculation. The deficit of consumption, nevertheless, is prettier than the deficit of supply.
            1. 30hgsa 25 November 2019 12: 34 New
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              Why on earth? The shortage of supply of certain goods in the USSR existed due to the fact that the supply and consumption of basic goods was provided. In conditions of a deficit in consumption (you like it) people can die of hunger or cold. In the USSR, no one died of hunger and cold, and a shortage of Lada cars does not threaten health and life.
              1. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 14: 31 New
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                What are the main products? In addition to rags, there were books in short supply. Of all these little things: rags, clothes, household appliances, services, it’s how a person’s life develops. In prison, too, do not starve to death.
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                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  In addition to rags, there were books in short supply.

                  probably the mom didn’t tell you about libraries, poor fellow. the books were almost everything there. a lot and different, well, except for the coloring books only ...
                  1. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 18: 01 New
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                    Well, they would try to take Pikul or Yu. Semenov in the library. In turn, ukins children in line. Like so many others.
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                      Quote: AU Ivanov.
                      Well, they would try to take Pikul or Yu. Semenov in the library. In turn, ukins children in line. Like so many others.

                      well ... my grandfather, then my parents now don’t have such a sour library ... but I didn’t take anything in the city. Togliatti, if I don’t remember something and “for many others”, suffered in lines. these are 70-80 years.
                      1. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 18: 22 New
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                        I stood in line for almost a month to read Bogomolov's Moment of Truth. Although this book was supposed to be freely available, for patriotic education, and not “Small land” with Brezhnev's “Tselina”, with which everything and everything was littered. And for meat, cheese, sausage on the train, 5 hours and you are in Leningrad. This was the only way to buy.
                      2. VeteranVSSSR 25 November 2019 22: 19 New
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                        And in what year could you not read Bogomolov ???
                      3. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 23: 25 New
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                        In the late 70s. Then it was also called "Emergency Investigation"
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                Quote: polar fox
                the books were almost everything there. a lot and different,

                The book deficit was large, including in libraries, where they were afraid to keep good books - theft flourished, that is, the penalty was small for the alleged loss of the library book, so the choice was not big.
                And in the reading room of the library, the choice was quite decent, for the reason that there weren’t any “sons” there.
            2. nikvic46 25 November 2019 18: 24 New
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              Andrei. About clothes. Young people are now dressed in cast-offs, which are bought in tons abroad. And sold in kilograms. Do you not know about this?
              1. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 18: 29 New
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                Why do you think so? There she is, young people, running around brand stores in the shopping and entertainment center, choosing rags for herself. And anyhow they won’t buy it. Give them a firm. Although in seconds you can buy a truly branded thing, and not expensive. But young people just do not go to second.
  • apro 25 November 2019 09: 33 New
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    Under socialism, they did not wait. They built and created. And they overcame the difficulties that the current partners created.
  • tihonmarine 25 November 2019 09: 08 New
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    “We have been waiting for 30 years when prosperity will come like in America.” Even in the offices of the Kremlin there are people who insist that it will be thick in our place too, it will be like in America, just have a little patience.
    You can wait a hundred years, but until the same "Printing Press" appears in America, or until the dollar collapses, no prosperity will appear. We profiled our well-being already in 1991.
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      Quote: tihonmarine
      “We have been waiting for 30 years when prosperity will come like in America.” Even in the offices of the Kremlin there are people who insist that it will be thick in our place too, it will be like in America, just have a little patience.
      You can wait a hundred years, but until the same "Printing Press" appears in America, or until the dollar collapses, no prosperity will appear. We profiled our well-being already in 1991.

      Do you succeed or the dollar collapses, or your printing press appears here and then we will heal, no, you will not heal while you think in this paradigm. It’s not in the country, but in the head.
  • knn54 25 November 2019 09: 09 New
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    Speaking at the congress / plenum, Khrushchev said that in the 80th year we will live under communism!
    Question from the audience, are we?
  • DAC scratch 25 November 2019 09: 16 New
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    no need to steal, that’s trampling,
    1. Lycan 25 November 2019 09: 50 New
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      "Do not steal" is not an option. It has grown into primates. But if you primate the primate on the cause-effect - "theft-retaliation", then the picture of reality will change dramatically.
      Otherwise - if dad / mother (organized, in a group or individually - it doesn’t matter) drags from work (well, or from the budget), then why would the offspring be different?
      1. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 11: 49 New
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        Heh, we have entire generations grown on the slogan: "Bring every nail from work, you are the owner, not the guest" Everyone has different jobs and nails too.
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          Heh, we have entire generations grown on the slogan: "Bring every nail from work

          Well so, then we will not complain about the fact that the children are the same and the bosses, and the power is the same and we have no way out of this vicious circle, chorus? wink
          1. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 19: 25 New
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            And I don’t complain. Here on the site, very many do not understand that whoever they do not put in power, they will steal anyway. And only when we raise our children in the rejection of theft and bribery, then maybe our grandchildren will live in a society with a reasonable level of corruption. No other way.
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              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              And only when we raise our children in the rejection of theft and bribery

              Well and how, it turns out? And how a child "digests" the situation of unequal competition with peers who
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              "Carry every nail from work, you are the owner, not the guest"
              ?
              1. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 21: 53 New
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                So it is ideal. It’s too late to raise mine, they each have their own nails.
    2. tihonmarine 25 November 2019 10: 11 New
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      Quote: DAC scratch

      no need to steal, that’s trampling,

      Capitalism is profit, profit is theft.
      1. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 11: 05 New
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        Any production is based on profit, otherwise it does not make sense, with rare exceptions. Even planting potatoes, we hope that we will collect more than we planted. Profit is the norm.
        1. tihonmarine 25 November 2019 11: 15 New
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          Even planting potatoes, we hope that we will collect more than we planted.

          If only you are a frequent entrepreneur, and when planting potatoes in the country, you are planting it for yourself, and not for profit.
          1. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 11: 25 New
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            And still, I make a profit. Having bought seed material per hundred, I get a harvest per thousand, relatively speaking. Profit is the cornerstone of economics.
            1. tihonmarine 25 November 2019 12: 42 New
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              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              Profit is the cornerstone of economics.

              Everything is up and running. Profit is the foundation of a capitalist society. Previously, all this was taught. And for yourself you need to read the "Manifesto" of Marx and Engels, the "Capital" of Marx and "Imperialism the highest stage of capitalism" Lenin. Well, if you like it, read on the founders, they will not advise evil.
              1. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 13: 47 New
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                Not only read, but also passed the exams on Marxism-Leninism. Utopia, nothing more. Moreover, as history has shown, it is an unsustainable utopia that only Cuba and the DPRK have not abandoned. Profit is the natural basis of a real society. Smith's ideas turned out to be more realistic than Marx's.
            2. Foul skeptic 25 November 2019 13: 52 New
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              You bring your own potato in the country only in the form that you do not have to spend money on the same potato in the market, where in its price, in addition to direct costs and overhead, there is this estimated profit selling this potato. That is, your potato will cost you in PZ + HP, and purchased in PZ + HP + SP. Therefore, on your potatoes, you for this very joint venture simply save your budget. And besides the seed material per 100 r, you will spend another 900 on maintaining the soil in a "volatile" state, no one has yet canceled the nitrogen balance.
      2. DAC scratch 25 November 2019 11: 47 New
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        profit is a mark-up, if you do not understand the economy then do not write please do not disgrace
        1. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 12: 06 New
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          In general, profit is, to a first approximation, a positive difference between income and expenses, and not a margin. A negative difference is called a loss. Profit is the cornerstone of economics.
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          profit is a mark-up, if you do not understand the economy then do not write please do not disgrace

          You are in the wrong steppe. A trade margin is a component of the price of goods, the difference between the retail and wholesale prices of goods, which is necessary to cover costs and obtain average profit from trading enterprises (mind you, trade, but not the entire production process). And profit is the positive difference between total income (which includes revenue from the sale of goods and services, fines and compensations received, interest income, etc.) and production or acquisition costs. That is, the margin is one of the components of profit. To teach someone, you must know something yourself.
        3. tihonmarine 25 November 2019 12: 45 New
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          profit is a mark-up, if you do not understand the economy then do not write please do not disgrace

          You are just a small ambitious child who considers himself an expert. But life tells you no.
  • carstorm 11 25 November 2019 09: 26 New
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    even the name is stupid to her god. what is prosperity like in America? what does this phrase mean at all? How was the well-being calculated there? and here and here for this we first of all need to get a good education and sweat to stupidity at your chance.
  • Ivan Slavic 25 November 2019 09: 30 New
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    Learn to work first, as they work in America. In the meantime, you work from a smoke break to a smoke break and build 3000 ton boats for 10 years, you will not wait for prosperity.
    1. tihonmarine 25 November 2019 10: 13 New
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      Learn to work first, as they work in America

      No matter how you work, we won’t have a printing press.
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    2. Fevralsk. Morev 25 November 2019 11: 00 New
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      We know how to work. There are no people who should organize work. These were formerly called production managers, and now they are top managers. Him that the Post to manage, that the refinery, that the department.
      1. Vadim237 25 November 2019 14: 27 New
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        With such managers, their companies will be covered with a copper basin in the first months. Managers idiots now no one needs.
  • Ravil_Asnafovich 25 November 2019 09: 35 New
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    Now, now, everyone has given the "face" to nibble and puff am.
  • Fevralsk. Morev 25 November 2019 09: 41 New
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    Shocked by the words of Yumashev (at 21:55) about Putin. Now it’s clear why we have been living like this for 20 years. And we will live only worse, until we overthrow the comprador regime headed by SamiKem. It makes no difference, in the elections or with the butt of an assault rifle, we knock on the Kremlin. Otherwise, our children will become slaves. Now we are working for a penny, but we are paying for everything, but it’s scary for our children. There, at THESE, the new aristocracy, their own are growing up. Studied at foreign universities with teachers like Friedman. We will envy black slaves and workers of tsarist Russia.
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      Otherwise our children will become slaves

      As soon as they start talking about slaves - look for Svidomo, these love to vote about non-slaves.
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      when you write something read yourself. people should always work. and there will always be those who receive less. and it’s not about the regimes, but about your desire to provide for your life. what is wrong with studying at a foreign university? I assure you that many can afford it. I know hundreds of such people and there are a few units at a stretch provided. I suppose that I would now reach that level of affluence and protect the parking lot and the taxi didn’t shy. And the bloody regime didn’t bother me at all. Their children will become slaves .... give them a good education and then these slaves will age you resorts will carry. but how can I not meet someone with a statement like how expensive it is to teach children. they are in the 11th grade, it turns out that learning is worth the money. and 10 years before what did you do that?
    3. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 10: 55 New
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      Well, you knock your butt on the Kremlin’s gate. Naive do you think honest and incorruptible will come to power?
      "Geniuses prepare a revolution, carry out fanatics, and crooks use its fruits."
      Carlyle.
      So that knock don't knock nothing will change. Yes, yes, as in Ukraine. But blood will be shed unmeasured.
      1. Fevralsk. Morev 25 November 2019 11: 24 New
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        In October 1917, they knocked on the gates of the Winter Palace. What happened worse than under the king? There was no revolution in Ukraine. There are some oligarchs who repelled others from the trough. And the people ... are consumables (sorry for cynicism)
        1. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 11: 28 New
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          Famine, devastation, shameful civil war, about 10 million victims. Of course it's better! The Russian people by Lenin was also regarded as a consumable for the cause of the world revolution.
          1. 30hgsa 25 November 2019 12: 29 New
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            Of course, the tsar, who essentially unleashed the WWI and joined it with an unprepared army, drove for slaughter without weapons (1 rifle for three is from the WWII, shell and cartridge hunger, arming the rear units with cold weapons ...) two million of his fellow citizens ( It was Russia that suffered the most losses) the Russian people were not seen as consumables for the cause of world imperialism and capitalism :)
            1. Fevralsk. Morev 25 November 2019 12: 35 New
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              The king is forgivable to kill his people. Lenin can’t, it's a crime !!!!
              1. 30hgsa 25 November 2019 12: 38 New
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                But Lenin did not kill his people. Civil war is a consequence of successively occurring:
                1. February revolution, when people in power instead of the tsar got people incomprehensible to the people
                2. continuation of the war, when strange people began to continue sending people to slaughter
                3. October revolution as a reaction to a meaningless war in the first place
                4. rejection by incomprehensible people who, through a coup, seized power in the February October Revolution.
                So White’s guilt in a civilian more than Lenin will have - both of them made a violent seizure of power, but Lenin wanted to end the war, and the whites did not want to stop.
              2. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 13: 53 New
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                During the reign of Nicholas 2, about 3000 were executed in court, counting criminals. Another 17 thousand died in the riots. During the Red Terror, 1,2 million were executed. So who is there bloody?
                1. nikvic46 25 November 2019 18: 33 New
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                  Andrei. And you do not think how many people died during the construction of the Eastern Railway? Hard labor was the main resource of tsarist Russia.
                  1. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 18: 36 New
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                    And how many died during the construction of the Kotlas-Vorkuta line? As the locals say: under each sleeper is a dead person. The Gulag was the main resource of the Soviet Union.
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              "Of course, the king who essentially unleashed the WWII" And how did he develop it - give historical details. The desire to listen to an alternative story of the outbreak of World War I.
    4. tihonmarine 25 November 2019 13: 16 New
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      Studied at foreign universities with teachers like Friedman. We will envy black slaves and workers of tsarist Russia.

      You see, you still understood the foundations of Marxism-Leninism. Some, but they understood it a little in 1991, some understood during these 28 years, but some still have not understood, but they do not want to understand half of them.
  • 7,62h54 25 November 2019 09: 54 New
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    Do not rock the boat. The helmsman is already sick.
  • Ravil_Asnafovich 25 November 2019 10: 28 New
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    Wow, the cons went, probably from the adherents of one party, about which "Sam" recently let slip.
    1. Vadim237 25 November 2019 14: 31 New
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      CPSU Central Committee - Gorbachev approves.
  • rocket757 25 November 2019 10: 41 New
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    Equality and justice society is not provided for by capitalism!
    1. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 10: 57 New
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      He was not even under socialism, this equality. Some were still more equal than others. Equality is a utopia; the human mentality does not foresee it.
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Some were still more equal than others.

        THIS IS TRUTH, in the late Soviet period we saw this ... those who knew how and wanted to watch.
        But the society as a whole was much fairer for the majority ... there were in conditional span, but these were absolutely those who did not want to change anything in their life.
        Just could not, this is an exception to the general.
  • Alexander Bruyev 25 November 2019 10: 48 New
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    "well-being as in America" ​​And did someone measure it somehow? America is very different. There are not only Masks and Zuckerbergs. In general, the people there are very patient, that's why they always climbed out of shit.
  • Paul Siebert 25 November 2019 10: 50 New
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    Everything will someday be sure!
    But not now.
    And not here.
    And not the fact that you have ...
  • Fevralsk. Morev 25 November 2019 10: 53 New
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    As soon as they start talking about slaves - look for Svidomo, these love to vote about non-slaves.

    Yeah, just that, so Ukraine, sanctions, Trump. At the launch site of the Eastern campaign, agents of the State Department and part-time liberals, stole billions. Doctors quit due to low salaries - Navalny does not comply with May decrees. You’ve watched the AgitProm movie carefully or the leavened patriot isn’t looking at it. Oh yes, Putin’s name was mentioned in vain.
    1. bober1982 25 November 2019 10: 59 New
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      Quote: Fevralsk. Morev
      name пduck

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      Юmasheva

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      Фridman.

      It turns out funny.
    2. 30hgsa 25 November 2019 10: 59 New
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      Since 1992, the country has been ruled by economists - graduates of the HSE, created with grants from France and the EU. So what about the agents of the State Department ... not everything is so simple.
      1. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 12: 09 New
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        Where else to get economists. For obvious reasons, we don’t have our own normal economic school, and when God will have his Adam Smiths, God himself does not know.
        1. 30hgsa 25 November 2019 12: 12 New
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          And where did they get them when, in two five-year periods, on the basis of the implemented GOELRO plan, from the backward agrarian country of the USSR they made a world-class industrial giant?
          1. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 12: 17 New
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            To begin with: the GOELRO plan was developed before the revolution by a number of energy companies of RI. Its implementation was prevented by 1MB. The Bolsheviks only adjusted it. Further: the USSR did not create an effective economy, having opened the world market, it turned out that most enterprises are uncompetitive.
            1. 30hgsa 25 November 2019 12: 20 New
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              If the USSR did not create an efficient economy ... then how was it able to win the war with Germany and become the second superpower after the war?
              1. Vadim237 25 November 2019 14: 34 New
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                How he was able to win the war with Germany - exclusively at the expense of internal human and industrial resources, but Land Liz was also a support.
            2. Foul skeptic 25 November 2019 13: 41 New
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              GOELRO plan was developed before the revolution by a number of energy companies RI

              laughing
              And who is it? And how is that?
              1. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 14: 06 New
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                The most ambitious was the project developed at the beginning of the twentieth century by the scientist Vladimir Vernadsky. It envisaged the creation by 1920 throughout the country of a wide network of power plants, the energy of which could feed new industrial areas. Actually, it was precisely these ideas that formed the basis of the future "Leninist" GOELRO plan. And the construction plan of the Moscow Metro was developed and approved in 1913.
                1. Foul skeptic 25 November 2019 15: 25 New
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                  The most ambitious was the project developed at the beginning of the twentieth century by the scientist Vladimir Vernadsky. It envisaged the creation by 1920 throughout the country of a wide network of power plants, the energy of which could feed new industrial areas.

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                  Vernadsky is without a doubt a talented scientist. But he is never a power engineer. Although, as part of KEPS, he had to touch on industries uncharacteristic for himself. And your "most ambitious" project is 20 power plants. The only similarity is that the person at least understood the concept. Well, they would have called Krzhizhanovsky, it would have been justified.
                  Only where does Vernadsky’s thoughts on
                  GOELRO plan was developed before the revolution by a number of energy companies RI

                  Show me something close to those 600 pages of the GOELRO plan. Where the most important letters are GO, since no separate company can do it and simply simply do not need it.
    3. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 11: 15 New
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      Sorry, but what is the period in the life of Russia when you didn’t steal. They stole even under Stalin and Peter, although this was unsafe.
      1. Fevralsk. Morev 25 November 2019 12: 14 New
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        Do you know how this activity of an official under Peter the Great and Stalin ended? They did not appoint him (embezzler) as an industrial director to the aviation corporation.
        1. 30hgsa 25 November 2019 12: 30 New
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          They appointed Tupolev to themselves :) he was not a embezzler, rather a waste of money :) But none the less. And Korolev did not sit out of nowhere.
        2. AU Ivanov. 25 November 2019 13: 59 New
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          Under Peter, the thief Menshikov was his right hand. Apparently the economic effect of him, as a manager, was higher than the stolen one. Although Peter beat him with a club for all the arts. And the reform in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, a qualitative reform, was not carried out by Kuzhegetovich. If such a reform is carried out in the aviation industry, this can only be applauded. Well, with bread - not without crumbs, no one will make pennies of powerful enemies.
      2. 30hgsa 25 November 2019 12: 14 New
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        Well, the question is on a scale. The stealing director of the Brezhnev era market had a car for himself and his children, a 5-room apartment for himself and his children, a piece of gold ... A corrupt general of the Stalin era brought himself captured trophies and pianos ... Compare with today.
        1. Vadim237 25 November 2019 14: 36 New
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          Opportunities and means have become more - that’s more stealing.
  • 30hgsa 25 November 2019 10: 56 New
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    The United States did not become a superpower as a result of economic development, but as a result of two world wars that the United States and its territory did not actually affect. In fact, the United States WWII captured the markets of the former colonies of the former British Empire. Then the Breton-Wood agreements were imposed on everyone and as a result they switched to a free currency market with the dollar as the main reserve currency. Due to this, they live. Which does not cancel the economic breakthrough in the United States at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century, but it is precisely the breakthrough of wild industrial capitalism, the country was rich, and the workers were sleeping standing for money.

    Europe - its wealth is based on the former colonial past. Due to this, they received "initial" capital, which they first skillfully developed, and then ditched in wars and are now eating up, gradually losing their significance.

    Most developing cap. countries - are developing on the principles of wild industrial capitalism with wild poverty in places (India, Brazil).

    The exception is communist China :) But there, too, is not so simple.
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      To become a superpower is still to be managed. The wars, I agree, gave an impetus to development, but there were also bright heads that turned them to the benefit of their own country. What matters is not the process, but the result, is it?
      1. 30hgsa 25 November 2019 11: 58 New
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        Who is arguing? The US has managed. They had a chance and they took advantage of them skillfully spreading the rest into grandmothers. The USSR, for example, did not have such a chance - the country was in ruins after the war.
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          The USSR had a great chance. According to the results of the Second World War, the Soviet Union was created, the CMEA was called. It even had its own piece of Germany. And what is the result? Everyone became impoverished and fled from us.
          What is the reason? IMHO An attempt to build a state on the principles of Karl Marx. Well, we are Russian, maybe our mentality is spoiled. But after all, the Germans in the GDR lived much worse than they were in the FRG. It says something. Not a single country where they tried to build socialism has achieved economic prosperity.
  • Alex Fox 25 November 2019 11: 40 New
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    Is it really only since 2000 but?
    As far as I can remember, America has been chasing the last days .....
    The sixth decade of decimation is coming ...

    The USSR has been dying since 1952. how much did the leader's pledged resource have? almost 4 decades. About the real collapse of the United States started talking mainly after the 2008 crisis. so take a report, a strong state cannot disappear instantly. This is a long fermentation process. Analysts set for the years 2033-2035. the date can be shifted in both directions. And this is connected precisely with economic problems, profit is falling. debt is increasing.
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      These forecasts will not come true like all previous ones, you can not even hope for it.
  • 2112vda 25 November 2019 12: 00 New
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    Lord, again these liberal economists who think economics are science. There is only one science in the world, this is mathematics. There are naturally scientific disciplines in the form of physics and mathematics and their applications in the form of technical disciplines. An important property of the previously listed disciplines is the absence of periodic world crises in them. No one has yet seen, for example, a periodic chemical crisis with all its attributes. Economics, in essence, is religion. There is an unconditional "deity" that economists worship - profit. The same scholasticism, that is, science-like chatter and the substitution of concepts. The same interest groups, that is, sects. All theories are "sucked out of the finger", hence the constant crises. Russia has its own totalitarian economic sect of the HSE and its irresponsible, exalted followers in the form of our "prominent economists" with a liberal orientation. Jesus Christ drove such from the temple and openly told them that their father is the "devil." So what do you want from these guys? Dostoevsky gave them a clear definition - "demons."
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      “Mathematics, Demons, Jesus, Liberals, HSE” - What is your sect called?
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  • Basarev 25 November 2019 12: 31 New
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    Everything is much simpler. The Anglo-Saxon colonial recipe is universal. And we, too, should stop all subsidies and start pumping resources into the metropolis, that is, Russian regions. The entire area of ​​Russian settlement should be combined into an autonomous republic. And not a penny of Russian money beyond its borders.
  • korriphila 25 November 2019 12: 42 New
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    Damn, who told you that they live well in America ?!
    1. Vadim237 25 November 2019 14: 47 New
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      Semin says - he studied there, his wife and daughter seem to be living there. And to him, there simply are absolutely no prerequisites for not believing - Capitalism is the total exploitation of everyone and everything on earth. But in America, everything is fine - it blooms and smells.
  • japs 25 November 2019 12: 55 New
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    I believe that, on the basis of the principle of government "the raven will not take out the raven’s eye," the current situation in the country will not change significantly in the next 20 years ...
    Although it could be worse.
  • Sotskiy 25 November 2019 14: 35 New
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    Author, but lie! am laughing
    What are Magnitogorsk? Which Norilsk Nickel? The guarantor said that the USSR did not produce anything other than galoshes, and therefore the conclusion for the true patriot of capitalism was simple: there was nothing to rob, the “desert” was, only galoshes around. This is the Bolsheviks, all acquired by the "zero" result until October 17-th year, "plundered and drank in taverns" wassat
    Nevertheless, the achievements of the Soviet people are fake, propaganda! VDNH is a complex erected in honor of the "aliens", forget this "nonsense"!
    Finally, Friedman explained everything to us, and our Guarantor confirmed this. All these smart, hardworking, and most importantly, born from a test tube of genius in the secret KGB laboratories, but at the same time “oppressed” by the same Soviet “totalitarianism” creams of Russian society, earned their capital exclusively honestly, without robbing anyone and their own work, purely from air !. fellow
  • nikvic46 25 November 2019 18: 43 New
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    This debate can be waged endlessly. And no one thought about why the worker lives well. Do you think the capitalists gave it all voluntarily? Then you have absolutely no brains.
  • Nick 25 November 2019 18: 58 New
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    Kostya again awakens the people of demons of envy, love of money and profit. Yes, in the United States with better bread than in Russia, not like 13-15 years ago, but more satisfying. There are a number of objective and subjective reasons for this. But does Kostya know why every Sunday the US population seems to die out by noon? Neither cars nor people are visible on the streets. Yes, because the majority of Americans are devout people, and from morning until noon on Sunday everyone in the Churches on the Sunday Liturgy will pray.
    The Lord said: First of all, seek the Kingdom of God, and the rest will follow you.
    And we, unfortunately, are vice versa, we only care about our belly, and we envy anyone whose belly is more full. And in temples from the strength of five to six percent to pray.
  • nikvic46 25 November 2019 20: 54 New
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    Judging by the words of our ideologists, people in the West began to live better only because of the colonies. But they miss the most important thing. Large capital didn’t make people's lives better than their kindness. The whole life of the working class in the West went on in a continuous struggle. This fact is ignored by the liberals.
  • Mercenary 25 November 2019 22: 36 New
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    And everyone is silent that the sensible guy Konstantin Semin, by hook or by crook, was pushed out of Channel 1 by television. Children of the new do not need to know this. Let them eat leftovers from the master's table and dream of getting rich right away and yesterday.
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    To begin with: the GOELRO plan was developed before the revolution by a number of energy companies of RI. The implementation of it was prevented by 1MB

    To a bad dancer, all the time, something is interfering. Developing a plan is not a problem. The problem is to put it into practice. Find tools that know people and organize work. There is a good plan-Strategy 2020. There are salaries of 170 thousand and pensions about 25 million jobs. Where is all this? 2020 in a month. Something prevented our guarantor? Oh yes, Crimea, sanctions, crisis, war in Syria. If it weren’t, they would have come up with something.
    1. Vadim237 26 November 2019 11: 09 New
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      You generally May decrees until 2024 read there 25 million jobs are registered as IP already existing and created. And there aren’t any salaries of 170 thousand and pensions there - all plans can correct economic and organizational circumstances at any time.
  • Fevralsk. Morev 26 November 2019 12: 00 New
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    During the reign of Nicholas 2, about 3000 were executed in court, counting criminals. Another 17 thousand died in the riots.

    In the suppression of unrest in the village in 1905-06, Stolypin (he was erected a monument in Moscow, and AgroUniversity was named after him in Omsk), in violation of the law, introduced military courts, three officers decided to hang up or flog the troublemaker. They buried those executed under the name Nameless. Since then, the proverb "Kill and surnames will not be asked" appeared in Russia. Considered Nameless? And about those who died in the riots ... are you talking about Bloody Sunday and Lensky shooting?
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    Why, for all the advertised achievements of capitalism, do some countries maintain economic prosperity and a high standard of living, while other countries are not able to provide their population with even basic benefits?

    One thing to remember here. Not a single country in which they tried to build socialism has become economically prosperous and with a high standard of living. At least before the building of this very socialism there (for example, in East Germany and China).