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Bonnet ZIL-131: history and search for the ideal

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Panoramic windows and bonnet layout



As mentioned in the first part of the storyOne of the most characteristic and paradoxical signs of a military truck was a curved panoramic windshield. At first, the Ministry of Defense rather restrainedly expressed dissatisfaction with this fact, but during the Afghan conflict the question arose very sharply. In July 1982, in a joint decision of the Ministry of the Automotive Industry and the Central Automotive Department of the USSR Ministry of Defense, it was said:
“Many years of experience in operating the ZIL-130 and ZIL-131 automobiles in the military have shown that the current design of the cabin with a panoramic windshield significantly complicates car repair, as well as transportation and storage of this type of glass. The drawback of the glazing of the cabs of ZIL automobiles is especially acute when convoying in mountain conditions under conditions of fire ”.


In accordance with these conclusions, the factory workers conducted a test cycle of the modernized ZIL-4334 machines equipped with flat windshields. By the way, in addition to simplifying operation, flat multi-component glass allowed solving the problem of the insulating glazing of trucks in the "northern" version. However, flat glass was actually an unsolvable task for the Moscow Automobile Plant - this entailed both a complication of the cab structure and serious financial costs. So, according to the calculations of 1982 of the year, the development of a new cabin and glazing required some fantastic costs in 1 550 000 rubles, as well as additional 700 square meters. meters of production space. Actually, the financial side of the issue allowed to reverse the will of the Ministry of Defense in this matter.









ZIL-4334, developed taking into account the Afghan operating experience

In an effort to unify the army truck with the civil ZIL-130, the designers left the hood layout of the car unchanged. This was done primarily in order to maximize the speed of production of machines of both modifications on the production lines of the plant. The country was sorely lacking cars of this class, and, for example, the army was only able to get enough of 131 mi ZILs by the middle of the 70 years. One of the most important advantages of the ZIL-131 triaxial bonnet truck in this regard is its resistance to undermining under the wheels of anti-vehicle mines. Below I offer a selection of photographs illustrating this thesis.






Bonnet ZIL-131: history and search for the ideal

History Afghan war and conflict in the Donbass is closely intertwined with machines of the 131 series

Triumph and unfulfilled hopes


In the Soviet Army, the ZIL-131 truck by the mid-70's had already gained fame as a reliable, unpretentious and all-terrain vehicle. In many ways, this was the reason for the assignment in April 1974 of the Year of the Quality Mark to the entire line of Moscow all-wheel drives. We were also satisfied in the national economy - since 1971, a simplified version of the machine without expensive shielded equipment under the name ZIL-131A was put on the conveyor. A little earlier, in the 1968 year, a tractor unit with a shortened 131B frame appeared, capable of pulling a single-axle semi-trailer with a gross weight of 12 tons.






Around the same time, they designed and adopted a largely unique ZIL-137 tractor with a hydrostatic drive of the wheels of the semi-trailer. An additional hydraulic pump was mounted on the machine with a drive from the power take-off, allowing oil to be supplied to the hydraulic motor of the semi-trailer with a pressure of 150 kgf / cm2. The assembly at the end of the 60's of a unique car was transferred to the Bryansk Automobile Plant, where they collected an average of 30 of such cars per month. They mainly drove missiles on such ZILs (for example, the Krug Circle 2K11 air defense missile defense system), but one could often see the 137 machine with the AHB-2,5 long baking block. This plant on wheels was able to bake at least 2,5 tons of bread per day, and even while moving on the march. However, the capricious and complex hydraulic motor of the semi-trailer forced engineers to develop a more reliable and technologically advanced mechanical drive. So the 60091 road train appeared with the ZIL-4401 tractor with the BAZ-99511 semi-trailer, produced from 1982 to 1994 year. The road train spent 53 liters of gas per 100 kilometers, allowed to load more than 7 tons and found its application in the missile forces, air defense and on the baking path. With the beginning of the 80-s at the Chita automobile assembly plant, the “northern” ZIL-131С variants, which were supposed to withstand temperatures up to -60ºС, went into a series. Since 1986, the assembly of such frost-resistant machines was moved to the native Moscow Automobile Plant.







ZIL-131В

Due to the long commissioning, the machine quickly became obsolete and required modernization. The delay in mastering the car was due to the protracted reconstruction of the enterprise, as well as chronic shortages of units from the Bryansk Automobile Plant. The normal assembly of ZIL-131 was only possible in the second half of the 1967 year, that is, twelve years after the assembly of the first prototypes! One of the attempts to improve the truck was the development of the ZIL-1976-131 in 77, in which the main emphasis was on improving the working conditions of the driver. The object of unification was the KAMAZ car - a wheel, a combination of instruments and a seat were borrowed from it. In addition, the loading platform was lowered a little, however, the kinematics of the suspension were not taken into account and the body was often touched on the diagonal suspension of the wheel. As a result, nothing good came of this idea - the experimental car was modified for a very long time and eventually abandoned.









"Heat Resistant" ZIL-131X. The car was equipped with air conditioning, a protective heat shield on the roof of the cab, a sealed tent, the thermostat was removed on the car

If you ask anyone who operated ZIL-131 about the main drawback of the car, then most often you can hear a complaint about excessive fuel consumption. Of course, one could put up with this in the army (although nobody canceled the power reserve as one of the most important parameters), but in the civilian sphere and in export markets, diesel was required from the very beginning. Only ten years after the start of production, they tried to deliver a V-shaped diesel engine YaMZ-642, and in 1979 the Finnish Valmer-411BS, but, as in the case of ZIL-131-77, the experimental cars were left without a series. But in the 78 year, the ZIL-131M appeared, equipped with a self-developed diesel engine ZIL-6451 with eight cylinders, a volume of 8,74 liters and a capacity of 170 liters. from. What is not an ideal truck? Moreover, outwardly it was very slightly different from the serial car - the hood was slightly lengthened (by the way, the development topic was called “The Hood”) and additional headlights were installed. And with the tanks fully filled, the power reserve of the ZIL-131M diesel engine was giant 1180 km! Around the same time, another version of a truck with a ZIL-375 gasoline engine with a capacity of 170 l appeared. from. In this version, engineers at a comparable fuel consumption significantly increased engine power and torque.

Truck "N"


On December 5 on December 1986, the well-deserved truck nevertheless waited for serial modernization and appeared in an updated form with the letter "N". A new economical 150-strong ZIL-5081 motor was installed as a novelty, characterized by a block head with a screw inlet and a compression ratio increased to 7,1. An important innovation was the increased carrying capacity in 3,75 tons, which closely brought the truck closer to the niche of 5 and 6-ton KamAZ trucks. By the way, from cars from Naberezhnye Chelny to the modernized ZIL, the tent was transferred from new synthetic materials. Simultaneously with the onboard version, the ZIL-131NV truck tractor (together with the "northern" 131НВС) was developed.


ZIL-131NV

The appearance of the renewed ZIL in the army did not meet much enthusiasm - firstly, disarmament was underway, and secondly, the diesel KAMAZ and Urals perfectly performed many of the functions of a gasoline truck. In addition, in the 1990 year at ZIL, the “N” series car was discontinued and started preparing facilities for the new model. The modernized ZIL from the 1987 of the year was assembled in parallel with Moscow in Novouralsk (Sverdlovsk Region) at the Ural Automotive Plant. We have known him since the 2004 of the year as the Amur enterprise - it brought together an extremely motley collection of trucks based on ZILs with various types of drive and a wide range of motors. In 2010, the plant in the Urals was closed due to bankruptcy, and three years later, production was permanently stopped at one of the oldest enterprises in the automotive industry - the Likhachev plant. You can argue for a long time about the causes of the death of the once legendary plant, but for you and me it will be largely associated with the ZIL-131 military model. In total, the plant assembled 998 429 copies of unpretentious army vehicles, and from 1987 to 2006, along with Amur, 52 349 trucks entered the market. A typical representative of the 131 family in the Soviet Army was an onboard tilt truck that accommodates 18-24 personnel, often with a small or medium caliber attached gun. However, the universal “caliber” ZIL-131 made it possible to set up just countless bodies on its basis and to develop a lot of options. But this is the topic of a separate story.

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  1. Rust
    Rust 26 November 2019 05: 48 New
    +17
    I read it with pleasure. Thanks to the author. I remembered the army, the march, the harvest. Surely a lot of employees, this car evokes memories of the service.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 26 November 2019 07: 36 New
      +10
      I join your words. Very good, objectively filed article. Sample for many other authors.
    2. Professor
      Professor 26 November 2019 08: 12 New
      +4
      I join and look forward to continuing. good
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    1. max702
      max702 26 November 2019 09: 33 New
      +6
      Alas, the extremely weak engine industry was the Achilles heel of the USSR automotive industry. It was the lack of normal engines that led to the lack of competitiveness of our equipment as a whole .. I wonder what kind of damage did the inefficient engine technology on the scale of the whole country bring. High fuel consumption is only one of the factors, low reliability, and with this downtime and repair costs leading to failure to fulfill certain tasks, all this was a powerful brake on the development of the state .. For some reason, we did not spare money on an aircraft engine, rocket, nuclear technology, but car engines were not considered something important and especially of a small displacement which led to a serious lag and this is happening to this day ..
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 26 November 2019 11: 02 New
        +4
        Quote: max702
        Alas, the extremely weak engine industry was the Achilles heel of the automotive industry of the USSR ..

        Hard to say. I do not know. In the 30s, motor plants, to the detriment of the automotive and tractor industries, were transferred to the NKAP, immediately after the Second World War, which were started by construction, car plants were transferred to rocket science. Well, the fact that there was a lack of quality materials, this also plays a negative role. Before the collapse of the USSR, the Giant Plant in Yartsevo was not brought to mind. Iron casting and motor production for the AMO-ZIL plant. Kustanaysky "Plant of diesel and combine engines" - the same thing. High-quality fuel equipment, for some reason, should have been produced in Czechoslovakia by "PAL" or "Friedman Mayer" in Austria. It was not possible to agree with the Bosch company on the construction of a fuel equipment plant.
        1. max702
          max702 26 November 2019 11: 27 New
          +3
          So I’m talking about this, in principle, all this was decided by a trivial injection of funds, but for some reason they always saved on it .. The engine in all other areas (air, space, rocket science, atom) is quite at our level, and in some places we leaders, but the internal combustion engine by the residual principle, although this is the most important industry as a whole .. It seems to me that this is the shortsightedness of the country's leadership resulting from incompetence .. Think of some kind of motors for delivery trucks or chainsaws, there is nothing to invest heavily in it, expensive, then we will finalize but the fact that each non-competitive motor slows down the development process and incurs losses while lowering the competitive ability of the economy as a whole was not understood ..
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 26 November 2019 12: 24 New
            +7
            Quote: max702
            So I’m talking about this, in principle, all this was decided by a banal injection of funds, but for some reason they always saved on this ..

            The most unpleasant thing is to save on petrochemicals and high-quality fuel and lubricants. In fact, we did not have high-quality additives, and imported ones were not purchased. There were many problems, but chemical and petrochemical plants worked only for the defense industry. And I must say thanks to VAZ, thanks to him we started to produce high-quality oils and greases, and then they were not enough.
            1. max702
              max702 26 November 2019 12: 32 New
              +2
              I agree! What surprises me most is the lack of understanding of this global problem among the country's top leadership.
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 26 November 2019 14: 21 New
              +4
              Quote: Amurets
              The most unpleasant thing is to save on petrochemistry and high-quality fuel and lubricants

              And this despite the fact that petrochemicals and engine building are two sides of the same coin. There will be no powerful motor without high-quality fuel.
              Need to increase the power of an automobile motor and make a tank of it? We'll have to abandon the B-59, only B / KB-70 aviation gasoline.
              1. Amurets
                Amurets 26 November 2019 14: 55 New
                +4
                Quote: Alexey RA
                And this despite the fact that petrochemicals and engine building are two sides of the same coin. There will be no powerful motor without high-quality fuel.

                This is one side of the coin. The other is oils, greases, coolants. Water as a coolant, with all its advantages, still has many disadvantages, primarily low freezing temperature and scale deposits. With low-quality oils, the wear of parts and the life of engines and assemblies increase. In other matters, it’s not so scary, the Russian sour oil base is considered to be one of the best in the world, but additives to oils that increase many of the oil’s operating parameters have been and have to be purchased abroad. Well, oil-resistant rubber is cuffs, gaskets. For V-engines ZiL-130/375/508, the most painful place is the seal on the intake manifold or spider, which is placed on rubber gaskets.
          2. sergevl
            sergevl 26 November 2019 18: 14 New
            +2
            In the 70th year, the ZIL 130/131 engine was very, very high. Low compression and low-octane gas are interconnected. The country produced low-octane gasoline and an engine for it. A liter of gasoline was like a glass of soda. Drivers poured gasoline into ravines so as not to be fined.
            In winter frost, the process of establishing a gasoline car was different for the better compared to diesel ...
            All problems with diesel fuel fell away: nozzles, fuel injection pumps, injection advance, plunger, etc. A carburetor is a simple device, for rough tuning you do not need any devices.
            With diesel, the issue became relevant only when these same zills began to be written off en masse from the Ministry of Defense. For private traders, the issue of diesel was solved by the usual installation of HBO.
  3. andrewkor
    andrewkor 26 November 2019 06: 37 New
    +9
    I am not indifferent to the ZIL plant. I worked on it for three years 1978-81 in the State Central Committee of Religious and Political Culture. I took the time to rush through the shops for the sake of curiosity. Particularly struck
    complexes for processing engine blocks and crankshafts. Another inter-workshop conveyor of cabins from the workshop to the assembly line through the entire factory also surprised.
    Well, the foundry is remarkable in that all the most advanced equipment was imported.
    Almost simultaneously, ZIL shared the fate of my dear TAPOiCh!
    1. barium
      barium 28 May 2020 13: 24 New
      0
      ANDREW, now at TAPOiCh they release all nonsense, screwdriver assembly cars, door locks, it’s pride! LIS broke, redo the airfield ....
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 26 November 2019 07: 43 New
    +6
    Zil hard worker ... traveled a lot on them!
    1. san4es
      san4es 26 November 2019 14: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: rocket757
      Zil hard worker ... traveled a lot on them!

      hi ... Shipment of round timber:
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 26 November 2019 14: 06 New
        +5
        Quote: san4es
        ... Shipment of round timber:

        This ZIL has outlived itself ... however PULLS!
      2. dmmyak40
        dmmyak40 30 November 2019 00: 26 New
        +1
        I’ve seen such people in the mountains of Karachay-Cherkessia when they went to the mountain recreation center Damkhurts. They drove from the asphalt in the Urals for about 2,5 hours on a half-primer-heater along the river. When we parted with an oncoming timber truck, our side of the body and one wheel hung for a while over a cliff of a river. And the height is 60-70 meters ... I felt very strong discomfort ...
  5. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 26 November 2019 07: 45 New
    +1
    Many years of experience in operating the ZIL-130 and ZIL-131 vehicles in the military have shown that the current cab design with a panoramic windshield significantly complicates car repair

    No, well, what are the advantages of flat, in terms of installation?
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 26 November 2019 08: 38 New
      +6
      Probably, with a single lumbar of a panoramic one it is necessary to change it completely, and in the case of a flat one it is possible to do only with a shot through part.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 26 November 2019 08: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: Aviator_
        Probably, with a single lumbago of a panoramic, you need to change it completely,

        There were panoramic halves from the two halves (top photos with undermined).
        1. chenia
          chenia 26 November 2019 10: 24 New
          +4
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          There were panoramic halves from the two halves (top photos with undermined).


          Such units were only supplied to combat group units, I always only had such (battery., Division).
    2. UAndrey
      UAndrey 26 November 2019 09: 49 New
      +1
      In which case, cut out the size of window or organic glass and pasted.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 26 November 2019 09: 59 New
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        Quote: UAndrey
        In which case, cut out the size of window or organic glass and pasted.

        From organics, and you can bend. The truth is such a big piece and in the USSR you will find FIG. And about:
        the current cab design with a panoramic windshield significantly complicates car repair

        it’s easier to put one whole on ZIL than two halves, or 4. IMHO.
        1. UAndrey
          UAndrey 26 November 2019 14: 40 New
          0
          It seems to me easier to replace one broken half than all the glass (with the same impact on the car).
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 26 November 2019 14: 49 New
            +2
            Quote: UAndrey
            It seems easier to replace one broken half

            To customize the half - that hemorrhoids.
    3. tolancop
      tolancop 26 November 2019 17: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: mordvin xnumx
      Many years of experience in operating the ZIL-130 and ZIL-131 vehicles in the military have shown that the current cab design with a panoramic windshield significantly complicates car repair

      No, well, what are the advantages of flat, in terms of installation?

      As I understood it, the Moscow Region required flat glasses for 2 reasons:
      1. Easier transportation. The box of flat glasses is clearly smaller in size of the box panoramic. In addition, for flat glass there is no difference in the installation side.
      2. The ability to install bulletproof glass. Not special in glass, but I think that making bent glass bulletproof is much more difficult and more expensive than flat.
      T.ch. MO requirements were quite reasonable.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 26 November 2019 18: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: tolancop
        1. Easier transportation. The box of flat glasses is clearly smaller in size of the box panoramic. In addition, for flat glass there is no difference in the installation side.

        In this I completely agree.
        Quote: tolancop
        but I think that making bent glass bulletproof is much more difficult and more expensive than flat glass.

        Perhaps I won’t argue, I just don’t know.
        the current cab design with a panoramic windshield significantly complicates car repair

        But in this paragraph I do not agree. Personally, I was pleased when asked to replace the broken half-piece whole.
  6. Naz
    Naz 26 November 2019 08: 19 New
    +4
    The first car I was driving. True feet to the pedals did not reach. Army truck. As I remember now, it remains in my memory.
  7. wt100
    wt100 26 November 2019 08: 47 New
    +1
    So after all, they still ride in the army, they cannot change how, but how many of them are still in stock soldier
  8. BAI
    BAI 26 November 2019 09: 29 New
    +1
    the financial side of the issue and allowed to reverse the will of the Ministry of Defense in this matter.

    A vivid example of the fact that money is more expensive than a person. And it was necessary just a little bit: to put the directorate of the plant and designers in the cabs and send under bullets to Afghanistan.
  9. Grach
    Grach 26 November 2019 09: 42 New
    +3
    Ride 131 in the army and harvest. It was a great car. I had a ZIL-131 with a winch in front. The winch often came to the rescue, especially during harvesting in Northern Kazakhstan.
  10. Gvardeetz77
    Gvardeetz77 26 November 2019 10: 09 New
    +5
    For svyazyuk, the 131st was not the best option, the weight of many equipment was over 10 tons, on the marches along the "mountainous-hilly" terrain, the columns did not always represent a single monolith, but just moved to a muddy field, you can safely go to the collective farm for by a tractor ... Kaases and Urads are much more preferable for signalmen
    1. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 26 November 2019 16: 11 New
      +1
      + 100500!
      For war, the 131st, lousy machine. Only in Europe + autobahns ride.
  11. bk0010
    bk0010 26 November 2019 13: 06 New
    +1
    And now what is going to the army instead of him?
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 26 November 2019 15: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: bk0010
      And now what is going to the army instead of him?

      KAMAZ-4326 and GAZ-3307


  12. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 26 November 2019 16: 00 New
    +6
    "Universal fighter", did not read further.
    He served just at the S-75 complex, where the 131st were the main transport vehicle (ZIL-131NV, from the last picture). What kind of fighter is he? He only ride on the highway or dry primer. There were winter exercises, before which we canned the old / new 157th bams from the warehouse of NZ. This is a car! She just lacked power. In winter, in the field, snow was almost a meter, with our long trailers with products, all the 131st immediately sat down and in no way. You’ll give a little gas; it’s with wheels of zipper and on your belly. And the old Bems sneeze, slowly, slowly, by centimeter but creeps and still drags this “fighter”.
    In short .. I didn’t drive, I served as the operator of the SEC, but what I saw with my own eyes and felt with my own lessons, I say so. The Urals - yes, Kamaz the raptor is a beast in general, we caterpillar artillery tractors pulled it in the cold, the old 157-yes. Even shishiga is also beautiful, albeit jumping. But not this SUV with a high-revving engine and through the anus selected gears.
    In short - BEMS is a bang! not just because he was nicknamed the king of impassability.
    But yes, he lacked the power steering.
    1. maidan.izrailovich
      maidan.izrailovich 27 November 2019 17: 34 New
      0
      ... we canned old / new 157th bams from the warehouse of NZ. This is a car !.

      In the dashing 90s, one of my acquaintances, a beekeeper, bought in the military unit of the 157th. Formally put through a traffic police on it a Japanese diesel from Hino. Equal on the road he was not. Neither KAMAZ, nor URAL, since I don’t even say the rest, could not be compared with the 157th. I don’t understand why it was necessary to replace an excellent car (157) with a deficiency (131)? For the 157th, it was necessary to install a hydrach and a dvigun newer. And he would have survived to this day.
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 28 November 2019 03: 24 New
        0
        Quote: maidan.izrailovich
        I don’t understand why it was necessary to replace a great car.

        For me, this is also a mystery. Those. compared head-on during exercises and literally the whole division scratched turnips.
        The only thing that can be explained is a serious simplification and cheapening of the gearbox, after which the zilas lost patency in difficult conditions, and turned into SUVs, with the comfort of a Lada.

        The engine .. what's the point? Recent modifications came with 101ls engines (early 89, if memory serves). But its trump card is at low revs and high torque. Everything (well, not everything, everything, but almost) the further development of car engines went to increase power through an increase in speed, to the detriment of the twisting (shift of the peak to high speed), which in the context of such a truck is 100% evil.
        If it made sense to modify it, it was adaptation to better gasoline, due to which it was possible and could increase power and / or reduce consumption. In general, that power was quite enough for the tasks for which it was created.
        But ergonomics were worth the work. Improve the cabin, noise / heat insulation, seats, stove, wipers, etc. It is better to think over a cooling system for severe frosts (I had to close it with a blanket). Well, the power steering, of course ...
        1. maidan.izrailovich
          maidan.izrailovich 28 November 2019 03: 44 New
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          The only thing that can be explained ...

          Still easier.
          131st is almost all-wheel drive (+ another axis) 130th. There is a large degree of unification. It is clear that this is good for production. The 130th is even with the same cabin as the 131st.
          1. Al_lexx
            Al_lexx 28 November 2019 03: 53 New
            +1
            It goes without saying. Instead of two different cars, for war and for Narkhza, they got two of the same. Unification and universalization played a bad joke.
        2. maidan.izrailovich
          maidan.izrailovich 28 November 2019 03: 54 New
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          If at the beginning of the video the fans of the 131st still had some hopes, then in the thirteenth minute everything fell into place.
          131st is a car for bad roads.
          157th is a car for the bad directions.
          1. Al_lexx
            Al_lexx 28 November 2019 04: 00 New
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            Well yes. The commentator said exactly what I voiced several posts earlier, regarding the characteristics of the engine, etc.
          2. Tima62
            Tima62 29 November 2019 13: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: maidan.izrailovich
            If at the beginning of the video the fans of the 131st still had some hopes, then in the thirteenth minute everything fell into place.

            It’s strange to show this video as evidence. Two minutes earlier than the thirteenth minute, 131 he himself went where 157 was pulled by a winch. In the next video, returning after 3 days with 2 broken wheels, 131 went by himself in the same place where 157 again went on a winch. And is it a bad cross?
            And the fact that 131 was planted on an iron channel walled up in a swamp is not the car's fault ... request
  13. IL-64
    IL-64 26 November 2019 21: 04 New
    +1
    Strange, in the photo ZIL-131 HB in the version TZM. It seems to me that on a trailer a missile to the S-25M1 Berkut. The S-25 regiments at that time were already living out the last months before being withdrawn from service. It seems that they could not supply new tractors there. If it is TZM from S-75, all the more strange.
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    2. Amurets
      Amurets 26 November 2019 23: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: IL-64
      Strange, in the photo ZIL-131 HB in the version TZM. It seems to me that on a trailer a missile to the S-25M1 Berkut.

      No! Look, even outwardly they are different. Missiles from S-25M1 "Golden Eagle."
      And this is the S-75 "Volkhov"

      1. IL-64
        IL-64 27 November 2019 21: 26 New
        +1
        Yes thank you. Refreshed memory. What is interesting, when they were withdrawn from service, the S-75, in its many forms, did not find. Whereas the S-25 in the late 80s still existed in separate regiments and even sometimes stood on the database
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 27 November 2019 23: 11 New
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          Quote: IL-64
          Whereas the S-25 in the late 80s still existed in separate regiments and even sometimes stood on the database

          According to Bongo, in some places abroad they are still in service, in the Volga variant they are still in service abroad.https: //topwar.ru/90322-zrk-s-75-v-xxi-veke.html
  14. Doliva63
    Doliva63 27 November 2019 19: 32 New
    +1
    How much he "ate", I honestly did not think. Just drove when and where necessary. I don’t remember any special technical problems. In any case, the month in our camps stood that in the winter, in the summer. There was such a case - autumn, swamp, hat. On the gati 3 Urals stand, it was already dilapidated, the first Ural "sat down". I offer the driver an option - to return. Since the Urals "sat down", what should we catch? He objects: you can try stupidly through the swamp, because if the Urals are so steep, then there are 2 still standing, they will pull it out, if that. Have tried. People from the infantry looked at us in bewilderment. But we walked past them, climbed the gate and rushed on. Since then, he fell in love with ZiL. If necessary, where it is reliable and fast, I ordered it. And passable, and on the highway 105 km / h. In half of all cases, the driver fighter was transplanted to the right seat and he taxied - at least in the city, at least along the “route”. It was a good car.
  15. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 29 November 2019 05: 28 New
    0
    I still saw a single Zil with a new 6x6 square cab.
  16. Jarserge
    Jarserge 29 November 2019 08: 45 New
    0
    I don’t know, I don’t know, it is too laudatory. In the Red Army since 1977, 131 in the troops have always been disliked, especially with the advent of the diesel Urals. They did not like for the weakness and relatively poor cross-country ability, which with the failure of the front axle (which was a fairly common event) turned into generally no
  17. chaklun characterist
    chaklun characterist 11 December 2019 10: 45 New
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    Beautiful, brutal car. I join the rest of the commentators, thanks for the article. Very interesting.