In the US, talking about the "end of American mythology"

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Greg Granting, a professor at New York University, published a piece called The End of American Mythology. The material addresses the issue of American "self-sufficiency." In particular, the topic is raised that the United States today remains the only superpower in the world, and the Americans themselves are not ready to reckon with the fact that there are other major players on the planet with their own interests.

It is noted that the American army is the strongest in the world, but at the same time it is no longer perceived as the main force in supporting democracy across the planet.



The United States is trying to impose its positions in world trade using its military power, including the world's largest fleet. This causes distrust, a crisis in world markets, mutual increases in trade duties, bypassing the World Trade Organization. Leadership for the sake of leadership is called the main American myth and mistake.

From the material:

The status of the United States as a great power is maintained now and will be maintained in the near future, but this does not mean at all that the United States will exist forever in this form.

The material says that Trump’s task to “make America great again” should be transformed into a task of recognizing the importance of leadership in the sense that leadership is primarily a high responsibility. The author believes that today the US elites are acting with less and less responsibility, and this affects the United States itself. In particular, we are talking about the loss of the American leading position in the global economy - the Americans have lost the 1 line to China.
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  1. -43
    24 November 2019 17: 58
    Well, so far they have not conceded anything to anyone. All the most advanced and technological ones are Europe and the USA. And the USA itself is a military tool of Great Britain.
    1. KCA
      +32
      24 November 2019 18: 19
      Yes, the world's best air defense / missile defense facility through which everything that can fly flies, the world's best new generation destroyers, unarmed and unable to move without tugs, the best cruise missiles in the world, 60% of which for some reason is simply not reach the goal, but there are few examples of the best in the world and the most technologically advanced American weapons ...
      1. -23
        24 November 2019 18: 27
        Well, yes, here everything is unparalleled, advanced and progressive. that's how I watch rents immediately proud !!! as I listen to the president, so pride just bursts chest. they are up to us, well, in general, they will never catch up with us! what to say, rotting west! whether business with us all managers are effective! technology on top!
        Here's an example: in Omsk, the sports arena got bogged down, and then it was demolished !!! Well? who else can in the decaying west?
        1. +10
          24 November 2019 19: 05
          Can. Spain.
        2. -24
          24 November 2019 19: 11
          Quote: From Siberia we
          Well, yes, here everything is unparalleled, advanced and progressive. that's how I watch rents immediately proud !!! as I listen to the president, so pride just bursts chest. they are up to us, well, in general, they will never catch up with us! what to say, rotting west! whether business with us all managers are effective! technology on top!
          Here's an example: in Omsk, the sports arena got bogged down, and then it was demolished !!! Well? who else can in the decaying west?

          Here on the site 90% of kvas patriots, it is useless to argue with them, even the facts will not help
          1. +10
            24 November 2019 19: 22
            Quote: RUSS
            Here on the site 90% of fermented patriots,

            Shaw, and 10% of pathological cannibals who were not taken in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib? From this chronic malice and incontinence?
            And if the client, and not the staff will be brought there?
          2. +31
            24 November 2019 19: 59
            Quote: RUSS
            Here on the site 90% of kvas patriots, it is useless to argue with them, even the facts will not help

            British scientists have already calculated that in VO 49% of fermented patriots with slogans constantly biting with 47% of all-mutters who always whine for any reason, and exactly 6% of people with whom you can maintain an intelligible conversation. Yes, I know that it turned out 102%, but it's British scientists wassat
          3. +1
            24 November 2019 20: 31
            Where did you grab such statistics? Argument sensibly, and you will be happy, that is, recognition of the VO community! laughing
          4. 0
            24 November 2019 22: 15
            Quote: RUSS
            Here on the site 90% of kvas patriots, it is useless to argue with them, even the facts will not help

            so let's
            Quote: KCA
            the world's best air defense / missile defense facility,
          5. +4
            24 November 2019 22: 15
            Quote: RUSS
            Here on the site 90% of kvas patriots
            10% - pepsikolny?
            1. +5
              25 November 2019 08: 26
              They can still recruit. The State Department has money for this. I must admit right away that I am not kavsny and not pepsikolny. Kumysny i laughing
          6. xax
            +5
            24 November 2019 22: 19
            Quote: RUSS
            useless to argue

            It is foolish to reduce the topic of the United States to a dispute about Russia.
            Whether with patriots, with traitors, with leaven, with cocaine, is not the point.
          7. -17
            24 November 2019 22: 23
            Actually, in the midst of all this "we will all break through", "we will die as heroes, they will simply die", somehow, this is forgotten:
            1. +6
              24 November 2019 22: 32
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              (c) Karl Gustav Mannerheim

              Well, it’s you who trumped good laughing good

              Remember, buddy:

              1. 0
                24 November 2019 22: 40
                I would put + 100
              2. -14
                25 November 2019 00: 38
                It is curious that all your posts almost always begin with accusations of "trollism" ... But we all know that "it is the thief who shouts first:" Stop the thief! ".....
                1. +3
                  25 November 2019 20: 37
                  Quote: Monster_Fat
                  we all know that

                  Typical troll run. "It is common knowledge that ..."

                  Don't be fooled like that, don’t laughing
            2. +9
              25 November 2019 03: 38
              Why didn’t they drag Hitler? Well, we quote in response:
            3. -1
              25 November 2019 17: 04
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              Actually, in the midst of all this "we will all break through", "we will die as heroes, they will simply die", somehow, this is forgotten:

              But for some reason you forgot HERE THIS:

              (Karl Gustavovich Mannerheim in the service of the Russian Army)
              and still this:

              (the same Karl Gustavovich (that is how he was called in the Russian service) takes the oath during the coronation of Nicholas II !!! .....
              To quote "shape-shifters" and traitors - well, somehow "not comme il faut" ...... Otherwise, they might think that you - same!!! request
            4. +1
              25 November 2019 22: 38
              This must be said to Gaddafi.
            5. 0
              27 November 2019 11: 57
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              somehow, this is forgotten:

              Well, you, the Indians, Incas, Aborigines of Australia and many others who, in general, really wanted to protect what they had, remember this very well. By the way, what did this fascist henchman forget about people and families? They do not need to be protected, only a certain mythical level? Pseudology for simpletons ...
          8. +1
            24 November 2019 22: 43
            Fact one! Read the story. All empires destroy themselves. It is the matter of time.
            1. +3
              25 November 2019 03: 40
              Fact one! Read the story. All empires destroy themselves. It is the matter of time.

              Another fact: 98% of world wealth is concentrated in less than 1% of people.
          9. +1
            25 November 2019 03: 39
            Here on the site 90% of kvas patriots, with

            70% of them are terry patriots of Israel :)))
        3. +3
          24 November 2019 20: 28
          In Italy, Venice is a sickly scandal with theft on state contracts. So, not only our officials can!
          1. +7
            24 November 2019 21: 31
            Quote: ltc35
            In Italy, Venice is a sickly scandal with theft on state contracts. So, not only our officials can!

            One of the most corrupt countries in the world is the United States, which spends significant efforts on corruption to flourish in countries in their area of ​​interest, as corrupt officials are more accommodating and accommodating. Promoting them in power and keeping them under their control, the USA in the future does not meet with sufficient resistance to absorb the resources of the country that came under their influence.
            1. 0
              24 November 2019 21: 44
              Unfortunately this is so. We have the same thing at all levels, including municipal districts.
            2. 0
              25 November 2019 03: 32
              One of the most corrupt countries in the world is the United States, which spends significant efforts on corruption to flourish in countries in their area of ​​interest.

              I knew corruption in Russia was the work of Americans
              1. +1
                25 November 2019 10: 59
                Quote: APES
                One of the most corrupt countries in the world is the United States, which spends significant efforts on corruption to flourish in countries in their area of ​​interest.

                I knew it, corruption in Russia is the work of Americans
                And as always I was wrong. Corruption is everywhere, and Russia is no exception in this regard, but the United States at a certain stage encourages the development of corruption, for the time being turning a blind eye to the fact that some "men" withdraw colossal funds abroad, store them in bank accounts, and buy real estate and at the same time there is no demand from them about the explanation of the origin of these funds, so that they can then be made their instrument of influence under the threat of exposure and confiscation of the acquired "back-breaking" labor. By itself, the banking system of Russia is built on the recommendations of "comrades" from abroad and does not provide for the storage of large amounts of money in Russia. pursues one goal - the withdrawal of money over the hill. Therefore, big guys, big money drag "there" and become objects of their attention and control. Now, if I congratulate you on winning the notorious New Year's billion in the "stoloto", then tomorrow you will have a question of what to do with it. Deal not in terms of spending, which is also problematic, but in terms of saving. Our banks insure deposits up to 1 million 400 thousand rubles. Will you keep it at home? It is dangerous because tomorrow evil people will knock on you with an offer to share. To shove it into the bank, realizing that it will be deprived of its license tomorrow, is kind of creepy. Divide into hundreds of deposits of 1,5 million? Probably, you can also get confused, but ... You can probably put it into an account in Switzerland, where there is probably a guarantee to get your back in full. But this is a special case, and if something happens you will be able to explain the origin of money, but a very large number of people taking care of themselves from the budget trough is unlikely, and therefore are vulnerable in terms of "correct" outside influence. Until they raise enough funds, they will not be touched and will give them the opportunity to get into the loop by providing them with the offshore and banking tools they need to do this, which they control.
                PS - and yes, buy a ticket, maybe I congratulated you for a reason.
                1. -2
                  25 November 2019 11: 10
                  the banking system of Russia is built according to the recommendations of "comrades" from overseas and provided for - the withdrawal of money over the hill. Therefore, great guys

                  Washington Consensus :))))
                  I congratulate you on winning

                  Thank you, every day they win on bets :))))) do you want a sure thing for today ???? :)
                  Divide into hundreds of deposits of 1,5 million? Probably, you can also get confused, but ... You can

                  Take a walk, why bother ???? Easy Come Easy Go:)
          2. -2
            25 November 2019 03: 33
            not only our officials know how!

            There the scales are not the same :)))
          3. +1
            25 November 2019 08: 46
            Ours is still to study and study. Foreigners have such an experience that mother does not grieve. laughing
        4. -3
          25 November 2019 03: 36
          Well, yes, here everything is unparalleled, advanced and progressive.

          Well, yes, Russia ranks first in the world in terms of net population decline. Oops .... have arrived. There is nothing to argue about
          1. +1
            26 November 2019 18: 01
            Quote: APES
            Russia ranks first in the world in terms of net population decline.

            Is it sarcasm or a demonstration of ignorance?
        5. -5
          25 November 2019 03: 58
          that's how I watch rents immediately proud!

          Tip: Throw out the TV.
          I threw it out 18 years ago and became happy.
          1. Fat
            +2
            25 November 2019 23: 32
            Quote: APES
            that's how I watch rents immediately proud!

            Tip: Throw out the TV.
            I threw it out 18 years ago and became happy.

            Perhaps it was worth throwing out the Internet from life as well? There are so many dirty lies that even TV regularly does reviews. Give up your computer and smartphone and become even happier. Good advice, right? :)
          2. 0
            26 November 2019 18: 02
            Quote: APES
            Tip: Throw out the TV.
            I threw it out 18 years ago and became happy.

            is informational stool from the Internet more messy? belay
      2. +24
        24 November 2019 18: 29
        To be a leader, you need to be a leader in GDP. This leadership was given to the Americans by China. Moreover, in China this is real GDP, which is supported by the production of a material product, and not inflated by services, as in the USA.
        1. +2
          24 November 2019 20: 53
          Mattress democracy ceases to be an advanced product, the Yankees feel it and start a new romp ...... a splinter only in the form of a not unipolar world in their ass !!!
        2. -3
          25 November 2019 03: 30
          They sent to China.

          What is it like????? :))))
          The USA from China receives a tangible product for free. China is forced to invest in US government debt, which no one will ever repay. And the great Chinese miracle can quickly end, even faster than it started :))))
        3. +1
          26 November 2019 16: 25
          GDP is better estimated by industrial production, it is about 3 times larger in China than in the United States. (I looked at the data on the CIA website sia gov)
      3. -1
        24 November 2019 18: 56
        Quote: KCA
        Yes, the world's best air defense / missile defense facility through which everything that can fly flies, the world's best new generation destroyers, unarmed and unable to move without tugs, the best cruise missiles in the world, 60% of which for some reason is simply not reach the goal, but there are few examples of the best in the world and the most technologically advanced American weapons ...

        And what other than weapons do you know of other areas? Objectively, in the aggregate of all areas of US science and technology ahead, it is impossible to be the first in everything, but this is not put in the head. They hold the lead in critical areas, this is enough to control global processes.
        So, offhand: Medicine, food and information technology. Control even over one of the areas allows you to hold the gills of most countries, and they are leading in all three))
        1. KCA
          +4
          24 November 2019 19: 08
          I will not go into the wilds, but, say, in terms of grain exports, Russia is ahead of the United States, where is the championship in food? Championship in information technology is far from being in all areas, China is no longer on its heels, but is slowly pushing it aside, well, and in medicine it is very difficult to single out a leader, by what criteria?
          1. +1
            24 November 2019 19: 38
            By the number of patents produced by the nomenclature of raw materials for the production of medicines, and by the treatment standards that are adopted by the rest of the world in a couple of years. Yes, the same CPR scheme substantiated by AKA in 2005, reached us in 8-10 years. Chemical industry ... USA and Russia, the difference is huge. Take an interest in how many drugs are purchased in the USA, without which treatment of oncology, immunological diseases is practically impossible, how many raw materials are purchased for the production of drugs already in Russia, which cannot be produced independently due to the lack of both technology and patents. And how much grain do you need to sell in order to buy one dose of medicine costing the mowing green? Grain is good, but it matches perfectly the role of Russia assigned to it by the USA - cheap primary raw materials and energy resources.
            1. KCA
              +4
              24 November 2019 19: 54
              Patents are good, there was such a famous American inventor - Edison, he had more patents than the fool wrappers, here is only one problem - he himself did not invent ANYTHING, but bought all the patents ...
              1. -2
                24 November 2019 20: 08
                Quote: KCA
                that's just one problem - he himself did not invent ANYTHING, but he bought all the patents ...

                And for the rest, is there any difference? The main thing is HIS PATENT, and he decides to whom to give and to whom not.
                1. KCA
                  +3
                  24 November 2019 20: 14
                  Russia has all the patents and all rights to all machine guns and machine guns manufactured by the Kalashnikov concern, but in the United States do not hesitate to sculpt, not puzzled by the acquisition of a license, to continue? It turns out that Russia has a PATENT, but this is not the main thing, and Russia wouldn’t decide something, someone would act in his own way, China generally put his little bolt on patents
                  1. -1
                    24 November 2019 20: 25
                    Here several factors must be taken into account - all patents have a validity period, and it has long expired on the base AK-47. The ability of the patent holder to act on the manufacturer of pirated products; in Russia, unfortunately, they are not great. And in high technology, the patent is only one of the components, the second technology itself, which is kept secret by the manufacturer. Let’s say you know the chemical formula of the drug, and even if you put on a patent, without knowing the entire synthesis chain and process technology, you won’t reproduce it.
                    1. +1
                      25 November 2019 12: 45
                      Quote: JD1979
                      Here several factors must be taken into account - all patents have a validity period, and it has long expired on the base AK-47.

                      Absolutely correct clarification.
                      Quote: JD1979
                      The ability of the patent holder to act on the manufacturer of pirated products; in Russia, unfortunately, they are not great.

                      And not only in Russia - we ourselves can fearlessly produce any product for our market without a patent, without fear of any lawsuits. But selling outside our market will immediately become a problem.
                      Quote: JD1979
                      Let’s say you know the chemical formula of the drug, and even if you put on a patent, without knowing the entire synthesis chain and process technology, you won’t reproduce it.

                      This is precisely the main thing - whether those who do not have a patent can reproduce on their base what other countries are doing, and if they can, then no one will hinder them from selling any pirated products on their market, slightly veiling it for their development.
                      So many people put on the patent, and this is the norm of modern life - with this I completely agree.
              2. 0
                25 November 2019 11: 17
                Quote: KCA
                Edison, he had more patents than the fool of candy wrappers, that's just one problem - he himself did not invent ANYTHING


                He himself invented a lot of things. But I bought a lot of things, yes.
            2. 0
              24 November 2019 20: 46
              So for the food that was on your list. You somehow missed the answer.
            3. 0
              24 November 2019 22: 47
              Yes, in particular, the irradiation of products for ala bacterial and other decontamination was adopted, so what? How humane and not dangerous are such "achievements" in the foreseeable future?
          2. +1
            24 November 2019 20: 13
            I will not go into the wilds, but, say, in terms of grain exports, Russia is ahead of the United States, where is the championship in food?
            =========
            Grain is just raw material. Here flour is another matter, especially pasta.
            1. +1
              24 November 2019 21: 45
              Grain is not a raw material, but a strategic product that can be stored: flour and other pasta are NOT a strategic product of long-term storage, they have a very short shelf life and very difficult to maintain storage parameters.
              1. 0
                25 November 2019 21: 12
                Grain is not a raw material, but a strategic product that can be stored :: flour and other pasta A strategic product of long-term storage is NOT
                ====
                And where did I write about storage? I talked about the fact that we sell grain and raw materials, but we need flour. Turks, like, are taken from us, grinded and exported flour. From our raw materials. Turk should be thrown out of this chain. They are not needed :))
                1. +1
                  26 November 2019 09: 24
                  Libero-oligarchs-grain traders should be thrown out of this chain and the state-woo should be taken to the industry for escort, but the liberda is not sharpened for reform, but only for theft ...
                  1. 0
                    28 December 2019 19: 15
                    you’ll steal everything.
            2. -1
              24 November 2019 22: 22
              Quote: Crane
              I will not go into the wilds, but, say, in terms of grain exports, Russia is ahead of the United States, where is the championship in food?
              =========
              Grain is just raw material. Here flour is another matter, especially pasta.

              will we compete in kvass too?
          3. -4
            24 November 2019 20: 22
            Quote: KCA
            say, in terms of grain exports, Russia is ahead of the United States, where is the championship in food?


            By export fodder grain. This is not food.
            1. +1
              24 November 2019 21: 53
              This is much more important than just food: durum wheat mixed with 4th grade feed grain is now the basis of baking production.
              In addition, feed grain is the basis of the Russian export of poultry meat, bringing quite tangible foreign exchange earnings.
              The only trouble is that modern elevators are sorely lacking, and grain exports are concentrated in liberal grab handles.
              1. -4
                24 November 2019 21: 55
                Quote: hydrox
                It is much more important than just food.


                More important, not more important ... it's not food. And the United States exports more food.

                Quote: hydrox
                grain exports are concentrated in liberal raked handles.


                How did it happen ...
                1. -2
                  24 November 2019 22: 09
                  It's okay: for the time being, we are tolerant for the time being, and there the nationalization of strategic industries will arrive in time.
                2. -3
                  25 November 2019 07: 17
                  Nothing catastrophic: for some time control was lost on the anti-people behavior of liberoids from party ranks.
                  It is assumed that the sobering up of the population will come next year's elections, and as a result, the anti-people majority will lose its overwhelming role.
              2. +2
                24 November 2019 22: 21
                Quote: hydrox
                durum wheat mixed with feed grade 4 grains are now the basis of baking production

                In which country are such gourmets?
                1. -1
                  25 November 2019 07: 18
                  In the same one in which such dense stupidity grows! laughing
          4. 0
            24 November 2019 21: 35
            Offhand, JD1979 (Dmitry) forgot about energy resources ... The United States is struggling to sell shale gas, and the leading European economy, the hope and support of the Americans, puts Nord Stream 2 and skillfully takes it out of the restrictions.
        2. +3
          24 November 2019 20: 03
          The most recent communication standard that will be used by everyone in the future, 5G is China. So, by the way.
          1. 0
            24 November 2019 22: 09
            Quote: Aleksandre
            The most recent communication standard that will be used by everyone in the future, 5G is China. So, by the way.


            So, by the way - the standard is not Chinese. The cheapest equipment supporting this standard is yes, Chinese.
            1. 0
              24 November 2019 22: 24
              I agree, next time I will formulate more precisely.
        3. -1
          25 November 2019 03: 55
          Fact one. So, offhand :.

          It became interesting. Going to work, getting dressed: underpants - Italy, socks - Belarus !!!!, jeans - USA, vest - Russia !!!!, sweater - Norway, sneakers - USA, jacket - Italy, hat - Italy - no China and the most warm thing vest !!!
      4. +4
        24 November 2019 19: 04
        Quote: KCA
        Wow, the best in the world.
        Yes, the best Advertising Agency for self-promotion of the most Exclusive scum!
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        1. KCA
          +7
          24 November 2019 19: 42
          And how many sewer pipes and gas cylinders flew past Israeli air defense? Well, yes, like we flew nowhere, we didn’t shoot them down
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            1. KCA
              +1
              25 November 2019 10: 08
              And why did you fart in a puddle? What does a civilian airplane have to do with it? Well, they would have written about the unpunished flight of 4 Boeings over the territory of the United States, why didn’t they also seem to start shooting down?
        2. +3
          24 November 2019 20: 00
          Quote: Iskander of Alexandria
          Example: The Israelis have more than once suppressed Syrian air defense, which is armed with the USSR / Russian weapons and represent American missiles from American planes controlled by Israeli pilots, perfectly overcome the bonded air defense and successfully destroyed the target!

          And Russian air defense in Syria shaved off 99,99% of all UAVs from the sky, the rest fell, which the most advanced air defense from the United States did not even notice in the SA. And what? Are you by any chance an expert in tangerines?
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            1. +6
              24 November 2019 21: 59
              No, the lazy Iskander of Judea, put your face in the archives of VO and do not arise until you have typed letters (with the story in half)! laughing
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        3. +4
          24 November 2019 20: 49
          What a good defining word is stingy. So the man said, and everything about him is clear.
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            1. +3
              24 November 2019 20: 59
              Ipsoshnik, you're not from the training manual, you understand what I mean.
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                1. 0
                  24 November 2019 22: 02
                  Between the lines, smart things are read, and only your fecas get out of your lines - we don’t read this. laughing
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                    1. -2
                      25 November 2019 07: 27
                      There is nothing to be done here :: such an attitude to the liberoid pog (oh!) Ani corresponds to the mood of the Russian majority of the population - because then liberoids also do not expect anything good, only a console with a flexible connection: you see how generous the Russian people are to their enemies - only occasionally anti-liberoid pogroms will occur, which will be gently nipped by the police and the Russian Guard!
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                      3. -2
                        25 November 2019 12: 40
                        It is from the liberoids that ALL of the Russian pr-in, the main part of the deputy corps and ALL chinota on the ground were recruited. And if one liberoid whispers with another (Yabloko, Democrat ...), then this only means the creation of a thieves community of enemies of the people
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                      5. +1
                        26 November 2019 09: 18
                        Liberoids, this is not your dog’s business: if you were Putin’s place, you would have been dismissed for a long time!
                        That would be "bravo", but for now this is only a prelude ... and the people will bow to you only when they finally finish you off. laughing
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                      7. +2
                        26 November 2019 11: 59
                        Change the training manual, shameful Jew!
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            2. +1
              24 November 2019 22: 28
              Quote: Iskander of Alexandria
              Today, Russian society is experiencing a clear deficit of spiritual bonds — mercy, compassion, compassion, support and mutual assistance — a deficit of what has always, at all historical times, made us stronger, stronger than we have always been proud of.
              V.V. Putin

              "She walked through the village and sang
              the woman is hefty, .... "
              1. 0
                25 November 2019 07: 29
                A real hooligan! laughing
            3. -3
              25 November 2019 03: 18
              compassion for each other, support and mutual assistance,

              Let him tell Kudrin that he spent the night in the kitchen, while he ran to Chubais to work him ....
        4. +1
          24 November 2019 22: 50
          1973 Doomsday War. More than 100 Israeli aircraft destroyed.
          1. 0
            25 November 2019 03: 15
            100 Israeli aircraft

            And how many Arabs of Soviet tanks and planes dragged through?
        5. 0
          25 November 2019 03: 21
          The Israelis have repeatedly suppressed Syrian air defense,

          The last time Israeli planes hid in a civilian plane (for which Vova was very angry). Then deployed s400 and more Israeli planes do not fly
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    2. -1
      24 November 2019 22: 58
      All the most advanced and technological is Europe and the USA

      70% of revenues to the US budget from the service sector, and all technological "American" production has long been in China
      1. -3
        25 November 2019 03: 14
        to the US budget from the service sector, and that's it

        Read Marx, it’s normal for capitalists to use cheap slave force. The world is post-industrial. Someone is standing at the sewing machine, and someone is developing new technologies
        1. +1
          25 November 2019 07: 39
          New technologies are good: that’s just where the old ones got to (F-22, atomic separation technologies, the infamous Patriot and F-35, pr-in nuclear fuels, why nuclear power plants are massively closed and the shortage of electric power has already loomed, non-floating Zamolty,. ..)
          Also me, advanced technological bankrupt shame! laughing
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            1. 0
              25 November 2019 15: 37
              And what does Rospilcosmos have to do with it, or does Honduras bother you?
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        2. 0
          25 November 2019 15: 36
          Are technologists also in China for a long time, or do you just think that American American frowned?
          And I spoke primarily about income in the American budget, read carefully.
    3. +1
      25 November 2019 02: 38
      All the most advanced and technological is Europe and the USA ...

      Shurochka, since you are "from Siberia", then you should go to the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences. They will tell you about everything the most advanced and technological. https://www.sbras.ru/
      1. -1
        25 November 2019 03: 11
        to the Siberian branch of the RAS. They will tell you there

        I was there, so what?
        1. 0
          25 November 2019 03: 58
          I was there, so what?

          Are you Shurochka too? crying
    4. 0
      25 November 2019 03: 10
      Well, so far they have not conceded anything to anyone.

      The article is not about this - in a nutshell: no one else believes them.
      And the fairy tale about the American dream no longer works - something like that.
      All the most advanced and technological

      One can argue with that. If we are talking about gear, then yes. If about space flights, then no. And the list goes on :))))
    5. 0
      25 November 2019 11: 29
      "And the United States itself is Britain's military tool." You have a very unusual point of view ... well, the word ...
    6. 0
      25 November 2019 11: 45
      Was the US army ever the strongest in the world? To be honest, the last 30 years after the departure of the USSR, they have only fought at long range mainly with long-range missiles such as Tamagavk, and bribing the generals, but if they are face-to-face, they are cowards and they don’t know how to fight heroically, the main thing is money, and if they know that they can be killed, they surrender, and Russian soldiers in Syria choose a mortal battle than get captured!
  2. +3
    24 November 2019 17: 59
    The collapse of the next "Roman Empire" is approaching? Is the wheel of history making another turn?
    1. +6
      24 November 2019 18: 08
      But the empire stubbornly does not want to acknowledge its collapse ...
      1. +4
        24 November 2019 18: 21
        It has always been so and will be so in the future ...
        1. +1
          24 November 2019 18: 27
          Yes unfortunately . History has the property of a spiral. But sometimes unforeseen nuances and incidents happen ...
          1. +6
            24 November 2019 18: 29
            In the case of the United States, there will be a lot of indecency and they will be dirty to the last gasp.
            1. +2
              24 November 2019 18: 38
              Quote: cniza
              will be dirty until the last gasp

              That is to say the least. These will try to drag out as many countries as possible with nothing. Including allies and partners.
              1. +10
                24 November 2019 18: 47
                They will drown their allies in the first place, thereby trying to hold out longer.
            2. +11
              24 November 2019 19: 03
              Quote: cniza
              In the case of the United States, there will be a lot of indecency and they will be dirty to the last gasp.

              It is naive to believe that the Chinese who replaced them will give us an example of a society of prosperity and humanism - they are likely to bring us even more trouble than the Americans, because we are a tidbit for them, and the border is common.
              So it’s not known how, in 40-50 years, our descendants will evaluate today's mischief of Americans in comparison with what they will have to face in the form of a new eastern empire.
              I would like to make mistakes in the forecasts, but something tells me that we need to arm ourselves as quickly as possible and with the most advanced weapons. Otherwise, we cannot survive ...
              1. +1
                24 November 2019 20: 00
                Quote: ccsr
                It is naive to believe that the Chinese who replaced them will give us an example of a society of prosperity and humanism.

                I agree that it is not necessary to wait for the heavenly manna from the heavenly places, but nevertheless, if we take the ideology of Protestantism and basic Chinese philosophy, then these are completely different vectors.
                The Protestants - God loves the successful. From here - to acquire, acquire, acquire. End justifies the means. Nadral neighbor - well done. You got kicked - a loser, it's your own fault.
                In our concept, there is little human. These are the principles of the animal world - the strong devours the weak. And everyone, there, patronage and other beautiful gestures - this, again, is the desire to earn "plus signs" - to raise your status in order to monetize it later.
                1. +2
                  24 November 2019 21: 08
                  And who said that we are generally expecting something from them, and we do not need any "leader" in this regard, and about the plus signs, do not make adults laugh.
                2. +1
                  24 November 2019 22: 11
                  Quote: iConst
                  to get, get, get. End justifies the means. Nadral neighbor - well done. You got kicked - a loser, it's your own fault.

                  For the Chinese, this is also true, a little under a different sauce, but these are the subtleties of upbringing and traditions. I dare to offer an interesting analysis of a person who has lived there for a rather long time, and who has drawn interesting and bold conclusions in his own way.

                  https://zen.yandex.ru/media/selfietecture/neuvajenie-i-beskulturie-pochemu-kitaicy-imenno-takie-chast-1-5d8e0638b5e99200aeba7ae9

                  All 4 parts are good in their own way, as well as some comments ....
                3. +1
                  25 November 2019 12: 58
                  Quote: iConst
                  I agree that it is not necessary to wait for the heavenly manna from the heavenly places, but nevertheless, if we take the ideology of Protestantism and basic Chinese philosophy, then these are completely different vectors.

                  You yourself say that if the issue concerns the survival of civilizations, then spit on the Chinese all philosophical attitudes, because
                  Quote: iConst
                  human is not enough. These are the principles of the animal world - the strong devours the weak.

                  I think that the Chinese, unlike the Americans, who just wanted to exploit us all this time, will be guided by a completely different principle - to obsolete us as a people in the post-Soviet space, because only in this way will they be able to provide normal life to their one and a half billion (most likely there will be more than 2 billion) population. This will be a terrible danger, because we will withstand the military confrontation, and it will be difficult to say how expansion will be, judging by how Central Asia is developing in our country and there is nothing we can do about it.
              2. 0
                25 November 2019 04: 05
                It is naive to believe that the Chinese who replaced them will give

                But who will let them go, then the Chinese ???
                1. +1
                  25 November 2019 13: 00
                  Quote: APES
                  But who will let them go, then the Chinese ???

                  Ask better who let the Central Asian guest workers to us and create conditions for them to live permanently in Russia, and then optimism may diminish.
            3. 0
              25 November 2019 04: 03
              In the case of the United States, there will be a lot of indecency and they will be dirty until the last gasp

              The goal of their policies is chaos around the world, the United States should become the only safe haven.
              They are waging war on foreign territory and wreaking havoc is less costly than restoring and restoring order, for example. 1 to 10 ratio
          2. +2
            24 November 2019 19: 06
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            . But sometimes unforeseen nuances and incidents happen ...

            But sometimes a polar white dog comes!
            1. +2
              24 November 2019 19: 08
              Quote: Tol100v
              polar white dog

              Let her come to the mattresses soon. drinks
      2. +6
        24 November 2019 18: 28
        In Rome, too, they did not believe until the last, until they knocked on the gate.
      3. +5
        24 November 2019 18: 48
        The old, German, Reich also did not believe in its collapse, even in the end they dreamed of "conquering the moon" and the new American will snap back to the end like a rat cornered.
      4. +5
        24 November 2019 20: 52
        Loot prints.
        Imagine a country with a budget deficit of one trillion dollars each year and it cannot print money.
        In general, do you really think that everything is normal with the economy in the USA, if it needs to print almost a trillion every year?
        Or does the United States simply live due to the fact that other fools collect their candy wrappers in capsules?
      5. -2
        24 November 2019 22: 33
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        But the empire stubbornly does not want to acknowledge its collapse ...

        Hi, a dangerous situation with their inappropriate behavior.
      6. 0
        24 November 2019 23: 57
        The main thing is that this world cancer tumor does not destroy the whole organism and burn it to the end.
    2. 0
      24 November 2019 18: 24
      Great misfortune began. Soon we will squeeze it everywhere, not just in Syria Yes
      1. -3
        24 November 2019 18: 26
        What an Anika you are, a warrior ... Oh, yes ... Sunday .... Well, here you can't do it with one acceptance "on the chest" ...)))
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          0
          26 November 2019 00: 13
          Quote: Iskander of Alexandria
          What will you squeeze? Staples and faith? Or technologies that have no analogues in the world?

          Bonding and Faith, respected by them. Surprisingly, only Protestants and atheists doubt life after death. This is probably why they snatch all the time while they live.
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      1. +1
        24 November 2019 20: 54
        Svidomo you censor time to get out of here.
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      1. 0
        25 November 2019 11: 20
        Quote: Iskander of Alexandria
        So far, there are no economic prerequisites in Russia for raising the birth rate.


        Fertility is not growing in any developed country.
  3. -8
    24 November 2019 18: 00
    This is because they cannot destroy governments, letting ordinary people choose new, democratic leaders. Maneuver, negotiate, trade with them - hence the distrust.
  4. -15
    24 November 2019 18: 01
    The United States outplayed everyone in Syria!
    1. Created the IG
    2. IG captured 90% of Syrian oil production
    3. The script was defeated
    4. The United States abandoned the extra bases (which were allegedly used for peacekeeping purposes), thereby getting rid of unnecessary expenses, took control of these 90% of Syrian oil production and controlled it under the pretext of protecting against the possible revival of the Islamic State, taking into account the fact that the Syrian army could not keep them could.

    Checkmate. Brilliantly played out.
    1. +6
      24 November 2019 18: 11
      Quote: OlezhkaKravchenko
      Checkmate. Brilliantly played out.

      As you all brilliantly laid out.
      1. 0
        24 November 2019 20: 55
        I do not understand, Ipsoshny bots are no longer banned here?
    2. +3
      24 November 2019 18: 45
      Quote: OlezhkaKravchenko
      Checkmate. Brilliantly played out.

      Income on a penny, reputational costs, millions.

      What is the meaning of such a "genius prank"?
      1. -1
        24 November 2019 19: 31
        Quote: Spade
        What is the meaning of such a "genius prank"?
        Several Irish businessmen in the United States have become millionaires. From the budget for the war, a trillion from the pockets of taxpayers, and they dripped into their pocket on subcontracts. A hamburger of 70, toilet paper of 50. The chicken pecks at the dollar ...
      2. 0
        24 November 2019 20: 08
        Quote: Spade
        What is the meaning of such a "genius prank"?

        There is only one sense - the paranoid pursuit of the goal - to limit the resources of the Syrian government as much as possible.
        This strategy was first developed during the civil war of the North and South and was key in the victory. By the way, Russia then supported the northerners. wink
    3. 0
      24 November 2019 18: 49
      And how long will they sit on this pool of oil ?? When is the sale ??
  5. 0
    24 November 2019 18: 06
    It is noted that the American army is the strongest in the world.

    Another zrada from the side of the mattress. After all, 404 heels in the chest knocking himself all over the world, that they have the strongest army.
  6. +4
    24 November 2019 18: 07
    They already feel that something has gone wrong! The time of their world hegemony is over. Already, technology is not all from the United States. And the volume of production is less (a share in the global volume of industrial production). And the US armies have ceased to be so afraid ... And most importantly, they are brandishing their sanctions like a baton, right and left. Crushing and their allies ...
    1. 0
      24 November 2019 19: 21
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      They already feel that something has gone wrong!

      This is the trouble! Inadequate idiots can do a lot of trouble!
    2. +1
      24 November 2019 20: 25
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      They already feel that something has gone wrong! The time of their world hegemony is over. Already, technology is not all from the United States.

      Well, how it ended - most countries have governments, where key figures, in fact, bought by the Americans, are included in certain clubs. After leaving the civil service, they are all provided with warm places in the largest financial institutions.

      Now there is resistance and some progress, but the hegemon still controls the financial world.
      Theoretically, the hegemon can be brought down - with the agreement of the European Union, Russia, India and China. But everyone will have not just losses, but gigantic losses. Therefore, no one wants to force this matter. Again, debts in treasury - few people want to lose their investments in American securities.

      We must pay tribute to the hegemon, as he managed (on trust) to lock the world economy on the dollar. Not so easy to break free.
    3. -1
      24 November 2019 20: 27
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      They already feel that something has gone wrong! The time of their world hegemony is over.


      And soon we will recall the old joke:

      - The authorities of the USSR turned to Finland for consultations on issues of effective opposition to the large eastern neighbor.
  7. +2
    24 November 2019 18: 09
    What a myth! Churchill used to say: Americans will do everything right, but first they will use all the wrong methods.
    These experiments led the Americans to flee in order not to fall. There will be a rumble ... whatif only they didn’t unleash a war, it would become with them, because, Churchill knew what he was saying.
    1. +1
      24 November 2019 18: 17
      If you fall a little will not seem to anyone. Or when.
  8. +10
    24 November 2019 18: 15
    What the hell is the US mythology? Country age with a big theater? Even here they are trying to deceive something ... Hollywood is their mythology. And these ... like them ... comics.
    1. 0
      24 November 2019 20: 26
      They have many myths, I can list some:
      "The Great American Dream", "Leadership in the" Free World "," American Exceptionalism "," American Democracy ", etc. And the fact that Hollywood creates myths is how we live in the 21st century.
      1. +3
        25 November 2019 00: 47
        Quote: Vadmir
        They have many myths, I can list some:
        The Great American Dream, Leadership in the Free World, American Exceptionalism, American Democracy, etc.
        And the fact that Hollywood creates myths is how we live in the 21st century.


        The American dream and its completion. Credit Slavery in America.

  9. +6
    24 November 2019 18: 20
    Greg Granting, a professor at New York University, published a piece called The End of American Mythology. The material addresses the issue of American "self-sufficiency." In particular, the topic is raised that the United States today remains the only superpower in the world, and the Americans themselves are not ready to reckon with the fact that there are other major players on the planet with their own interests.


    Oh, they started to guess something.
    1. +2
      24 November 2019 20: 20
      Quote: cniza
      Greg Granting, a professor at New York University, published a piece called The End of American Mythology. The material addresses the issue of American "self-sufficiency." In particular, the topic is raised that the United States today remains the only superpower in the world, and the Americans themselves are not ready to reckon with the fact that there are other major players on the planet with their own interests.


      Oh, they started to guess something.

      No, they are just looking for a reason. For a long time, apparently, there were no world wars, they missed the profits.
      1. +2
        24 November 2019 21: 10
        I’m afraid the time has come for others, and it’s not so simple, although the way they have tested.
  10. +1
    24 November 2019 18: 35
    Now they will find a scribbler who will write a refutation for a certain amount. This is not a congressman or senator, but a little-known scientist. ...
  11. 0
    24 November 2019 18: 44
    Trump's mission to "make America great again" must be transformed into an awareness of the importance of leadership in the sense that leadership is primarily a high responsibility.

    For the servants of Mammon and the "golden calf", these are just high profits. lol
  12. +1
    24 November 2019 19: 07
    ... Trump's challenge to "make America great again

    To a simple layman, do not care, it is actually being told this or that about what is not really there.
  13. +1
    24 November 2019 19: 24
    What is it ... there is still such a factor - the former leader then does not really linger even as one of the leaders. So it was with Assyria, Babylon, Carthage, Greeks, Rome, Byzantium, the Caliphate, Turks, Spain, France, Germany, Genghisides, Great Britain ... by the way, about the latter - it is still on a gentle path downward among others - but it is already approaching steep. And there is no turning back.
    And do not just try to be a hegemon. To teach others, to use them in their own selfish interests ... For the sake of the next biden. Up there they don't like it. And they always make you pay. Let the descendants.
  14. +1
    24 November 2019 19: 33
    In the US, talking about the "end of American mythology"

    Speaking of mythology, one can compare the United States with the robber Procrustes, who deceived travelers into his house, laid them on his bed and cut off his legs for those who were short, and extended their legs along the length of this bed to those who were long.
    In our case, the lure takes place either by loans, or by the provision of "gratuitous military aid", or by the transfer of certain technologies that have become unprofitable to engage in in the states themselves, or by involvement in the dollar zone ...
    Remember how it ended in mythology? The character of the ancient Greek myths Theseus, having defeated Procrustus, laid him on the same bed and, since it was not enough for Procrustes, killed the robber. At the hands of Theseus fell and the son of Procrustes Sinis, who also hunted robberies and adopted sadistic inclinations from his father.
    By analogy with this myth, the mythical hegemony of the United States may end. And the point here is not that there are more powerful and more diverse forces, but how soon the world will stop believing the tales of Uncle Sam. Probably, it will also be passed on to the sons who adopted the sadistic inclinations from the "uncle" ...
    hi
  15. -12
    24 November 2019 19: 43
    Despite everything, the United States alone managed in the end to create full-fledged MTRs and MTRs have done a lot ...
    1. -11
      24 November 2019 19: 55


      Legendary Seals, A rare photo, they usually don’t upload ... there is apparently a special case
      1. +5
        24 November 2019 20: 16
        Quote: Diversant Holuy


        Legendary Seals, A rare photo, they usually don’t upload ... there is apparently a special case

        The fighters of the MWP of the Federation Council of the USSR "made" the "legendary" seals at competitions, not really straining. At the same time, we have never won first place at the "races". And what is the legend of the seals? Solid mythology.
        1. -9
          24 November 2019 20: 31
          You don’t write nonsense to me, please, I wrote to you for a long time that no one will send active commandos and especially operatives from the MTR ... they are totally classified. Before writing, find out what the MTR is in principle, otherwise you stayed on a linear army special forces, I'm not interested with you ...
          Yes, and the US MTR does not have such a long biography .. they have been since 1987
          1. -1
            24 November 2019 22: 39
            Quote: Diversant Holuy
            you stayed on the line army special forces, I'm not interested with you ...


            There is no such term - "linear army special forces". By the way, the state army special forces (75th regiment and "green berets") are included in the MTR.

            Quote: Saboteur Holuay
            Yes, and the US MTR does not have such a long biography .. they have been since 1987


            MTR - just an umbrella, under which the existing forces of the JI gathered.
            1. -1
              24 November 2019 23: 25
              [
              Quote: Good_Anonymous
              There is no such term - "linear army special forces". By the way, the state army special forces (75th regiment and "green berets") are included in the MTR.

              The 75th Rangers regiment, yes this is the special forces of the Ground COO, by function.

              The Green Berets are generally the largest spetsnaz in the world as part of the Land MTR, but their functions are independent of all types of reconnaissance, it also includes analytical units ... including the US command in the MTR, it took into account their rich history of interaction with the CIA ... The CIA still uses them sometimes.

              I meant by definition a linear army special forces reconnaissance, which provides military operations at the tactical level.
              1. 0
                25 November 2019 21: 20
                Quote: Diversant Holuy
                [
                Quote: Good_Anonymous
                There is no such term - "linear army special forces". By the way, the state army special forces (75th regiment and "green berets") are included in the MTR.

                The 75th Rangers regiment, yes this is the special forces of the Ground COO, by function.

                The Green Berets are generally the largest spetsnaz in the world as part of the Land MTR, but their functions are independent of all types of reconnaissance, it also includes analytical units ... including the US command in the MTR, it took into account their rich history of interaction with the CIA ... The CIA still uses them sometimes.

                I meant by definition a linear army special forces reconnaissance, which provides military operations at the tactical level.

                So you are not up to date at all. At the tactical level, military intelligence is working. Army special forces work in the operational link. No need to answer me, thanks.
            2. +1
              24 November 2019 23: 31
              Quote: Good_Anonymous
              MTR - just an umbrella, under which the existing forces of the JI gathered.

              No, Delta and DEVGRU, for example, are generally unique, the special forces aren’t the most important there, every oper is trained and performs other functions, most often strategic intelligence, this is a mini CIA, but more effective ...

              MTR-USA is the most numerous in the world, their number is 58 thousand! They include the most diverse units for their intended purpose, some of which have no analogues in the world. And the military power brought to a fist is simply unprecedented! The joint command of special operations today has at the forefront of the fight against global terrorism the following most combat-ready units (ground-based, sea, air force component):
              1. Delta Squad
              2. Seals
              3. Intelligence Support Activity, ISA (intelligence and technical support for Delta and Seals)
              4. 24th Special Forces Tactical Squadron

              And also the most numerous composition of special forces of the ground forces, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force:
              5 Rangers Regiment
              6. Green Berets
              7.160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment Night stalkers
              8. 4th group of psychological operations
              9. 95th Civil Administration Brigade
              10. Special Kennedy Training Center
              11. Regiment of special operations of the Marine Corps
              12. Regiment of special operations of the Marine Corps
              13. Reconnaissance battalion of special operations of the Marine Corps
              14. Marines Special Operations Support Group
              15. School of Special Operations of the Marine Corps
              16. Seal Delivery Vehicle Teams
              17. Teams using special combat ships
              18. 23rd Air Force
              19. 1st special operations wing
              20. 27st special operations wing
              21. 919st special operations wing
              22.193th special operations wing
              23. 352st special operations wing
              24. 353st special operations wing
              25. 720th Special Tactical Group
              26. US Air Force Special Operations School
              1. -1
                24 November 2019 23: 51
                Quote: Saboteur Holuay
                MTR - just an umbrella, under which the existing forces of the JI gathered.

                No, Delta and DEVGRU for example are generally unique


                Too lazy to look for the history of DEVGRU, but Delta existed before SOCOM.

                Quote: Diversant Holuy
                it's a mini CIA, but more effective ...


                Nonsense. Partly because the CIA has its own Delta (formerly called SAD, now HZ as), and partly because no one really knows about Delta's exploits (and are there any exploits).

                Why did you bring a list of special forces, I did not understand.
                1. +1
                  25 November 2019 00: 04
                  Quote: Good_Anonymous
                  Too lazy to look for the history of DEVGRU, but Delta existed before SOCOM.

                  Yes, Delta was created by Green Beret Charles Beckwith, Delta is his callsign in Vietnam
                  Quote: Good_Anonymous
                  Nonsense. Partly because the CIA has its own Delta (formerly called SAD, now HZ as), and partly because no one really knows about Delta's exploits (and are there any exploits).

                  I won’t argue with you, but I’ll note that there wasn’t enough trained people in the CIA to carry out the operational work around the world; for starters, they used the Zelyony Berets from groups that specialized in a specific country knowing the language and so on ... the same operational measures and it would be easier to introduce ready-made people were imprisoned for the use of several units ...
          2. 0
            25 November 2019 20: 53
            Quote: Diversant Holuy
            You don’t write nonsense to me, please, I wrote to you for a long time that no one will send active commandos and especially operatives from the MTR ... they are totally classified. Before writing, find out what the MTR is in principle, otherwise you stayed on a linear army special forces, I'm not interested with you ...
            Yes, and the US MTR does not have such a long biography .. they have been since 1987

            What is MTR - this is the type of our Terminator, which together and instead of tanks at the same timelaughing This is still a lot of stupid copying such as brigades in the army without exception, such as a military police, such as a military court instead of a tribunal, etc. I know about Delta probably more than you. In general, I wrote to you by accident, I could not see the nickname without glasses. Remember standard 10, was it the same for MCI and OBRSpn? In a nutshell. And we'll talk there drinks
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          1. 0
            25 November 2019 20: 55
            Quote: Iskander of Alexandria
            Evidence provide participation of the secret unit at the races

            Wow! Which one? MCI SF?
        3. -1
          24 November 2019 22: 23
          Quote: Doliva63
          The fighters of the MWP of the Federation Council of the USSR "made" the "legendary" seals at competitions, not really straining.


          This reminded the news that Alpha had won the US Special Forces competition. And the truth won ... but it was a competition of police special forces, SWAT, of which there are dozens in the States. "Delta" or there SAD did not show up for the competition smile
          1. 0
            25 November 2019 21: 23
            Quote: Good_Anonymous
            Quote: Doliva63
            The fighters of the MWP of the Federation Council of the USSR "made" the "legendary" seals at competitions, not really straining.


            This reminded the news that Alpha had won the US Special Forces competition. And the truth won ... but it was a competition of police special forces, SWAT, of which there are dozens in the States. "Delta" or there SAD did not show up for the competition smile

            For Alpha I do not know, I'm from the army.
            1. 0
              25 November 2019 21: 29
              The point is not in Alpha, but in the difference between Alpha's class and those whom she defeated.
      2. -1
        24 November 2019 22: 24
        Quote: Saboteur Holuay
        Legendary Seals, A rare photo, they usually don’t upload ... there is apparently a special case


        This is the band that died in Operation Red Wings.
        1. -1
          24 November 2019 23: 43
          There are people from DEVGRU in this photo, but nobody knows exactly who ...
          1. 0
            24 November 2019 23: 59
            Quote: Saboteur Holuay
            There are people from DEVGRU in this photo, but nobody knows exactly who ...


            But you know exactly what they are, yeah. And I somehow doubt that the people from DEVGRU would merge as mediocre as the Murphy group.
            1. -1
              25 November 2019 00: 11
              There was infa that there was a combined detachment ... and the DEVGRU operatives were there ... I don’t know the details, of course, but I suppose they wanted to either meet with an informant or recruit someone ...
      3. +1
        24 November 2019 23: 57
        Despite everything, the United States alone managed in the end to create full-fledged MTRs and MTRs have done a lot ...

        Quote: Saboteur Holuay
        Legendary Seals, Rare Photo,

        In the photo, as in the saying - "It was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines"
        That one in the photo, and this one in the video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0N8lQ0R6hk - US Marines cried after being captured by the Iranian military.
        And this is the Russian MTR in action - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKsPU5ViwI0&t=414s
        The feat of the Russian militia militia in Syria.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMTOLpqoMLo - Комментарии иностранцев о подвиге Александра Прохоренко.
        The Russian soldier has something that no army of the world has - the Russian Spirit. And no "seals" can break him.
        1. -2
          25 November 2019 00: 09
          Quote: Vladimir_6
          And this is the Russian MTR in action - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKsPU5ViwI0&t=414s


          Documentary footage! laughing

          Quote: Vladimir_6
          The Russian soldier has something that no army of the world has - the Russian Spirit. And no "seals" can break him.


          Because they are spiritless.
          1. -1
            25 November 2019 00: 32
            Quote: Good_Anonymous
            Because they are spiritless.

            Not every blind man is given the sight of the Russian Spirit.
            Quote: Good_Anonymous
            Documentary footage! laughing

            If so fundamentally:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xObykrVBGD0
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzoK3MoGpwo
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuV31L1p7GA - Это вам за пацанов.
            Share the documentary exploits of your overseas friends.
            1. -3
              25 November 2019 00: 48
              Quote: Vladimir_6
              Because they are spiritless.

              Not every blind man is given the sight of the Russian Spirit.


              The blind man is not given to see anything at all - he is blind.

              Quote: Vladimir_6
              Documentary footage! laughing

              If so fundamentally:
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xObykrVBGD0
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzoK3MoGpwo


              Yeah, more documentary shots.

              Quote: Vladimir_6
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuV31L1p7GA - Это вам за пацанов.


              Killing yourself in order not to be taken prisoner is an ancient tradition; one should not attribute it to the "Russian Spirit". By the way, "for the boys" - what does that mean?
              1. 0
                25 November 2019 12: 26
                Quote: Good_Anonymous
                The blind man is not given to see anything at all - he is blind.

                There are blind with the body, and there are blind with the spirit. If there were no Russian Spirit, there would not be a Battle of Moscow, Stalingrad, Kursk. Leningrad would not have survived 900 days of the blockade.
                Our fathers and grandfathers, like the Poles and the French, would simply surrender the country of Germany.
                Killing yourself so as not to be taken prisoner is an ancient tradition; one should not attribute it to the "Russian Spirit".

                Why didn't your "respected" Yankees kill themselves so as not to be captured by the despicable Persians? Didn't you have enough spirit? We cried like little children.
                By the way, "for the boys" - what does that mean?

                An act is a feat. The words? When you move to another world, ask Roman yourself.
                1. -1
                  25 November 2019 13: 03
                  Quote: Vladimir_6
                  If there were no Russian Spirit, there would not be a Battle of Moscow, Stalingrad, Kursk.


                  For some reason, the Russian spirit did not help during the cauldrons of 1941.

                  Quote: Vladimir_6
                  Why didn't your "respected" Yankees kill themselves in order not to be captured by the despicable Persians? Didn't you have enough spirit?


                  They are yours, not mine — you think too much of them. And the US doesn't even have a war with the "despicable Persians", so why would they kill themselves? But yes, few people have the heart to do it. Remind me how much the Red Army lost as prisoners? I would write "any army of any war", but here you are pedaling "Russian Spirit".

                  Quote: Vladimir_6
                  When you move to another world, ask Roman yourself.


                  What a pretentious way of saying "I don't know what 'boys' he was talking about." Probably, you also do not know what meaning the word "boys" has in modern Russia.
                  1. 0
                    25 November 2019 14: 47
                    Quote: Good_Anonymous
                    For some reason, the Russian spirit did not help during the cauldrons of 1941.

                    The war ended in Berlin.
                    And the US doesn't even have a war with the "despicable Persians", so why would they kill themselves?

                    Therefore, they decided to cry, for joy that they were not sent to the forefathers.
                    What a pretentious way of saying "I don't know what 'boys' he was talking about." Probably, you also do not know what meaning the word "boys" has in modern Russia.

                    I doubt that Roman studied the "boys" code and unbuckled them in the common fund.
                    Ranks of boys:
                    small poz, ordinary poz, boy, clear boy, real boy and godfather.
                    To which of them can Roman be identified? If you know exactly what was in Roman’s head in the last moment of his life, share your impressions.
                    You, as a strict teacher, without seeing the essence of what is written, find minor inconsistencies in the text to show your vast knowledge.
                    Regarding the fact that you deny the existence of the Russian Spirit, let me ask you, if not a secret. What kind of tribe are you?
                    1. -1
                      25 November 2019 21: 04
                      Quote: Vladimir_6
                      For some reason, the Russian spirit did not help during the cauldrons of 1941.

                      The war ended in Berlin.


                      Yes. But not because the Russian Spirit, but because they learned to fight and make weapons. Because with the Russian Spirit and ML-20, much more can be achieved than just with the Russian Spirit.

                      Quote: Vladimir_6
                      Therefore, they decided to cry, for joy that they were not sent to the forefathers.


                      Who was captured - let him throw a stone at them.

                      Quote: Vladimir_6
                      I doubt that Roman studied the "boys" code and unbuckled them in the common fund.


                      I hope no.

                      Quote: Vladimir_6
                      Regarding the fact that you deny the existence of the Russian Spirit


                      I do not deny its existence. Just like the German Spirit, the French Spirit, the Jewish Spirit, and many others.

                      Quote: Vladimir_6
                      let me ask you, if not a secret. What kind of tribe are you?


                      Oh, questions about the race began, as if unexpected. I am Soviet, half Russian, half Belarusian. But, if you are comfortable, you can consider me a Jew. Or rootless cosmopolitan.
                      1. 0
                        25 November 2019 22: 07
                        [quote] Yes. But not because the Russian Spirit, but because they learned to fight and make weapons. Because with the Russian Spirit and ML-20, much more can be achieved than just with the Russian Spirit. [/ Quote]
                        ML-20 is power! And the US lend-lease assistance was not small, although "The main flow of supplies fell on 1943-44, when a radical turning point in the war had already been reached."
                        [quote = Good_Anonymus] [quote = Vladimir_6] The Russian spirit for some reason did not help during the cauldrons of 1941.
                        By 1941, the USSR was rebuilding what was destroyed in the Civil War, and Germany was preparing for a new one. The war began without announcement at 4 in the morning. You know that airfields and aviation were destroyed in the first place. There was no connection, etc.
                        The USSR was simply not ready for war. Therefore, there were very serious defeats at the beginning of the war.
                        But you will remember the heroes of the Brest Fortress.
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UkQgP3w7aE - я Русский солдат.
                        [quote] I do not deny its existence. As well as the German Spirit, the French Spirit, the Jewish Spirit and many others. [/ Quote]
                        [quote] Because they are spiritless. [/ quote]
                        [quote] Oh, questions about race began, as unexpectedly. I am Soviet, half Russian, half Belarusian. But, if you are comfortable, you can consider me a Jew. Or rootless cosmopolitan. [/ Quote]
                        Not about race, but about belonging to the people. I did not understand why a person with the Russian name Vasily denies the existence of the Russian Spirit.
                        Personally to you, as to a person of any race, I have no goodwill.
                        hi
                      2. 0
                        25 November 2019 22: 46
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        ML-20 is power! And US aid for Lend-Lease was not small


                        And neither one nor the other "Russian Spirit" is not.

                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        Not about race, but about belonging to the people.


                        I definitely belong to the Soviet people.
                      3. 0
                        25 November 2019 23: 00
                        And neither one nor the other "Russian Spirit" is not.

                        "The main supply flow came in 1943–44, when the turning point in the war had already been reached."
                        I understand that for you the Russian Spirit is like a bone in the throat.
                      4. 0
                        25 November 2019 23: 02
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        I understood


                        Obviously not.
                      5. 0
                        26 November 2019 00: 14
                        Quote: Good_Anonymous
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        I understood


                        Obviously not.

                        More than yes. You deny the concept of the Russian Spirit, because it is not in you.
                      6. 0
                        26 November 2019 00: 22
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        You deny the concept of the Russian Spirit, because it is not in you.


                        I repeat - I do not deny it. But maybe I don’t have it in me. What instrument measures its presence?
                      7. 0
                        26 November 2019 00: 39
                        Quote: Good_Anonymous
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        You deny the concept of the Russian Spirit, because it is not in you.


                        I repeat - I do not deny it. But maybe I don’t have it in me. What instrument measures its presence?

                        FAITH. What you believe in is filled.
                      8. 0
                        26 November 2019 01: 07
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        What instrument measures its presence?

                        FAITH.


                        NO QUESTIONS smile
                  2. Fat
                    +1
                    26 November 2019 01: 17
                    Quote: Good_Anonymous
                    For some reason, the Russian spirit did not help during the cauldrons of 1941.

                    For two years, the Japanese fleet drove allies across the Pacific Ocean from the Aleutian Islands to the shores of Australia. The imperial army managed to capture half of China and all of southeast Asia. And this is a small island country with a minimum of resources. The Tysintai was so frightened by American soldiers. What Truman considered for a better atomic bombing than landing on the islands of the Japanese metropolis ... And you say that the Spirit does not help, and this despite the fact that neither the Americans nor the Japanese fought a war for independence. Wars for the survival of the people. For resources and colonies fought.
                    The war of the USSR with the Reich is not in vain called Patriotic, People’s and Sacred.
                    1. -1
                      26 November 2019 01: 31
                      Quote: Thick
                      The Japanese fleet drove allies throughout the Pacific Ocean for two years


                      Which allies?

                      Quote: Thick
                      And this is a small island country with a minimum of resources.


                      I would not call a "small" country with 76 million population (Germany - 70 million, USA - 126 million). And after it seized control of China and Indochina, it ceased to be "an island with a minimum of resources."

                      Quote: Thick
                      And you say that the Spirit does not help


                      If anything, Japan lost the war with very large losses. Which proved that the Japanese Spirit without appropriate industry helps at best poorly (if it needed proof at all).
                      1. Fat
                        +1
                        26 November 2019 02: 07
                        1. US allies in the Pacific War: Great Britain, Australia, the Netherlands, China. (In China, after the Nankein incident, it was very bad with the fleet, but very good with the population
                        2. The population of the metropolis did not defecate with oil, steel and aluminum.
                        3. B-29, after receiving the Mariana Islands. The Japanese losses were quite strategically increased, especially among the civilian population. Well, a couple of times for 100000, at a time ..
                        4. The United States technologically lagged behind the Reich by 10 years ...
                        That's what, and the states had resources. Even the Belgian enrichment of uranium ore withdrawn from the French.
                      2. -1
                        26 November 2019 02: 24
                        Quote: Thick
                        US Allies in the Pacific War: Great Britain, Australia, Netherlands, China.


                        Great Britain, Australia, the Netherlands, China - this is powerful, yes. While China and the Netherlands were occupied, England was engaged in another war on the other side of the world, and Australia was nothing serious. The United States entered the war in December 1941, in June 1942, the Japanese were demonstratively washed under Midway.

                        Quote: Thick
                        The population of the metropolis did not defecate with oil, steel and aluminum.


                        As I understand it, we have a consensus that Japan was not a "small island".

                        Quote: Thick
                        The US technologically lagged behind the Reich by 10 years ...


                        As you say. But the USA is a victorious power, but Germany is not.

                        Quote: Thick
                        That's what, and the states had resources.


                        And industry. And science. And the population.
                      3. Fat
                        +1
                        26 November 2019 12: 25
                        Quote: Good_Anonymous
                        industry. And science. And the population.

                        Depression in the states ended just with the beginning of World War II. Metal and oil, at least fill. Unemployed above the roof. Well, where did the warring Europe place orders? The egg-emigrants arrived. Science has revived and industry ... Who needs trouble, and to whom mother is dear.
                        Yamamoto was well aware that the empire could not stand a protracted war. Hence the "blitzkrieg of 41-42 years.
                        The Japanese did not achieve complete victory in China, nothing acceptable except Manzhou and the land road from Burma to Korea.
                        After Midway. Imperial expansion continued ... Until the summer of 1943, quite successfully
                      4. -2
                        26 November 2019 12: 39
                        Before continuing, I would like to recall the main thread of the dispute - the alleged superiority of the spirit over everything else. So far, you are explaining how exactly everything else was taken away by the spirit (in this case, the Japanese Samurai Spirit and the teishintai as its characteristic representatives). But this is my thesis - fighting spirit is inexpensive without weapons.
                      5. 0
                        26 November 2019 15: 06
                        Quote: Good_Anonymous
                        Before continuing, I would like to recall the main thread of the dispute - the alleged superiority of the spirit over everything else.

                        Not superiority, but difference. And not just the spirit, but the Russian Spirit.
                        Among those on whom the Russian Spirit was clearly manifested, one can name Alexander Yaroslavich Nevsky, Nakhimov Pavel Stepanovich, Ushakov Fedor Fedorovich, Kutuzov Mikhail Illarionovich, Suvorov Alexander Vasilievich. Accordingly, their valiant troops.
                        There is no need to list the heroes of the Second World War, especially since you pretended that you did not notice the mention of them in the posts above. The same applies to heroes who have shown the Power of the Russian Spirit in Syria.
                        Valentine below gave the thought:
                        The Russian spirit is for Russia.24, in the army it is "learning military affairs in a real way"

                        Georgian thugs were trained in military affairs by US professionals.
                        But their disgusting "dushenka" was enough only for the night shelling of Tskhinvali.
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvDFVKJk19c - "Душка нету". Батальон «Восток» (2008)
                        And this is the opinion of the Taliban - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEQ997Pbtjs
                      6. -1
                        26 November 2019 21: 29
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        Not superiority, but difference.


                        Precisely superiority: "The Russian Spirit. And no" seals "can break it."
                      7. 0
                        27 November 2019 00: 15
                        Quote: Good_Anonymous
                        "The Russian Spirit. And no" seals "can break it."

                        Truly so.
                      8. -1
                        27 November 2019 11: 20
                        I would ask about all the wars that Russia lost, but I’m afraid that they will ban me for it. smile
                      9. 0
                        27 November 2019 12: 39
                        Quote: Good_Anonymous
                        I would ask about all the wars that Russia lost, but I’m afraid that they will ban me for it. smile

                        Do not be banned. This is history. You can’t fix it. An example of the Tsushima battle. There are lost battles and Marshal Zhukov.
                        But we are not discussing battles, but the power of the Spirit. I gave you an example of Georgians in 2008 and the Taliban’s opinion of Russian and American soldiers. But you didn’t notice it again.
                        I can add as an example the fighting spirit of the Hussites in shales armed with machine guns and grenade launchers, against armed to the teeth, without the fighting Spirit of the Saudis.
                        Also, the entire fighting "machine" of Israel in 2006 did not break the morale of 4000 Hezbollah fighters.
                        I will not give a link about the victories of the Russian Martial Spirit. You will ignore it anyway.
                      10. 0
                        27 November 2019 12: 48
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        But we are not discussing battles, but the power of the Spirit.


                        I personally discuss the fact that "the power of the Spirit" is not critical in war. When an army with an unbreakable "Russian Spirit" loses wars, there is one of two things - either the spirit has been broken, or it is not he who decides the outcome of the war.
                      11. 0
                        27 November 2019 12: 59
                        here one of two things - either they broke the spirit,

                        If the Russian Spirit had been broken, today on the political map of the World Holy Russia would have been absent.
                        There were many who wanted to break the Russian Spirit. But all comers have broken their teeth about Russia.
                        So do not wait.
                        or the outcome of the war is not decided by him.

                        Read the previous post.
                      12. 0
                        27 November 2019 13: 29
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        If the Russian Spirit had been broken, today on the political map of the World Holy Russia would have been absent.


                        So she is absent. The Russian Federation is, Holy Russia is not.

                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        There were many who wanted to break the Russian Spirit. But all comers have broken their teeth about Russia.


                        You see, "broken teeth" is a metaphor that can be understood as anything. A lost war is a lost war. Lost despite all the "power of the Spirit".
                      13. -1
                        27 November 2019 13: 50
                        So she is absent. The Russian Federation is, Holy Russia is not.

                        It is in you, "rootless cosmopolitans" with an unaccompanied spirit, that a dream lives, whatever it might be.
                        And for us, with the Russian Spirit, Holy Russia is God’s treasured fatherland.
                        "Russia is our sacred state,
                        Russia is our favorite country.
                        Mighty will, great glory -
                        Your wealth for all time!

                        Be glorious, our free Fatherland,
                        The brotherly peoples of the union age-old,
                        Ancestors given wisdom of the people!
                        Be glorious, country! We are proud of you!

                        From the southern seas to the polar region
                        Spread our forests and fields.
                        You alone in the world! You are the only one -
                        God's native land!

                        Be glorious, our free Fatherland,
                        The brotherly peoples of the union age-old,
                        Ancestors given wisdom of the people!
                        Be glorious, country! We are proud of you!

                        Wide space for dreams and for life
                        The future is open to us for years.
                        Our loyalty to the Fatherland gives us strength.
                        It was so, so it is and always will be so!

                        Be glorious, our free Fatherland,
                        The brotherly peoples of the union age-old,
                        Ancestors given wisdom of the people!
                        Be glorious, country! We are proud of you!
                      14. -1
                        27 November 2019 13: 58
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        And for us, with the Russian Spirit, Holy Russia is God’s treasured fatherland.


                        It would be nice for you to know that "Russia is our sacred state, Russia is our beloved country" is officially called the "Russian Federation", not "Holy Russia". I will say more - in the Russian Federation, the church is even separated from the state smile
                      15. 0
                        27 November 2019 14: 49
                        [quote = Good_Anonymous]] [quote = Vladimir_6] And for us, with the Russian Spirit, Holy Russia is God’s homeland. [/ quote]
                        You have a "rootless cosmopolitan" there is no Motherland, no Spirit (in your own words), no Fatherland.
                        Your negative attitude towards Russia has been evident from your first posts.
                        Talking with you about the Spirit is like persuading a rabbi to be baptized.
                        Occupation without promising and not appreciative. Therefore, stay with your worldview.
                        And I remain in my opinion.
                        On this, I have the honor!
                        hi
                      16. 0
                        27 November 2019 20: 59
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        Your negative attitude towards Russia has been evident from your first posts.


                        I am more likely towards Russia. But here the inhabitants of Holy Russia cause me a mocking smile at best.
                      17. 0
                        27 November 2019 21: 18
                        Quote: Good_Anonymous
                        But here the inhabitants of Holy Russia cause me a mocking smile at best.

                        For Jews, this is the norm. Affects resentment for the defeat of the Khazar Kaganate. After 300 years you will get used to it.
                      18. 0
                        27 November 2019 21: 22
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        For Jews, this is the norm. Affects resentment for the defeat of the Khazar Kaganate.


                        And what, Holy Russia and the Khazar Kaganate defeated? Right?
                      19. 0
                        27 November 2019 23: 40
                        Quote: Good_Anonymous
                        And what, Holy Russia and the Khazar Kaganate defeated? Right?

                        Right Joint operation with aliens.
                        P.S.
                        I am more likely towards Russia. But here the inhabitants of Holy Russia cause me a mocking smile at best.

                        I am rather positive towards Israel. But here is the Zionist nagging about the abundance of anti-Semites
                        make me a mocking smile at best.
                      20. 0
                        27 November 2019 23: 55
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        And what, Holy Russia and the Khazar Kaganate defeated? Right?

                        Exactly.


                        How so ... Russia was not even baptized at that time.

                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        Joint operation with aliens.


                        Ah ... and they provided a time machine? Then yes, maybe.

                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        I am rather positive towards Israel. But here is the whining of the Zionists


                        What do you think of Turkey and pan-Turkists? smile
                      21. 0
                        28 November 2019 00: 06
                        Vasily, the communication session on this topic is over. There are many new topics in VO. Go ahead.
                        From all my Russian Soul, I wish you good health and all the best. Even more, I will tell you with the words from the Old Testament: "May it be to you of the dew of heaven, and of the fatness of the Earth. And plenty of bread and wine." hi
                      22. +1
                        28 November 2019 00: 15
                        It was fun.

                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        I will tell you with the words from the Old Testament: "Let it be to you of the dew of heaven, and of the fatness of the Earth. And plenty of bread and wine."


                        Thank you And all the best to you.
                      23. 0
                        28 November 2019 00: 18
                        Well that's just wonderful! As they say, we have nothing to share. "Everything has already been divided before us."
                        But to share a good word there are no barriers.
                      24. Fat
                        0
                        26 November 2019 17: 36
                        Quote: Good_Anonymous
                        Before continuing, I would like to recall the main thread of the dispute - the alleged superiority of the spirit over everything else. So far, you are explaining how exactly everything else was taken away by the spirit (in this case, the Japanese Samurai Spirit and the teishintai as its characteristic representatives). But this is my thesis - fighting spirit is inexpensive without weapons.

                        Any weapon without the determination to use it and go to the end is useless. The main weapon is the person himself.
                      25. -1
                        26 November 2019 21: 30
                        Quote: Thick
                        Any weapon without the determination to use it and go to the end is useless.


                        And how useless the determination to use a weapon without the weapon itself is beyond words smile
            2. 0
              25 November 2019 21: 10
              Quote: Vladimir_6
              Quote: Good_Anonymous
              Because they are spiritless.

              Not every blind man is given the sight of the Russian Spirit.
              Quote: Good_Anonymous
              Documentary footage! laughing

              If so fundamentally:
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xObykrVBGD0
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzoK3MoGpwo
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuV31L1p7GA - Это вам за пацанов.
              Share the documentary exploits of your overseas friends.

              The Russian spirit is for Russia.24, in the army it is “to study military affairs in a real way” (if not in the know, then VI Lenin). I immediately remembered the Kazakhs, who, together with me, were ready to solve any problems, Tatars, Mari, and many others.
              1. 0
                26 November 2019 00: 36
                Quote: Doliva63
                The Russian spirit is for Russia. 24

                This is your personal opinion.
                in the army it is "to study military affairs in a real way" (if not in the know, then VI Lenin).

                The fact that Lenin is in the know. But learning in this way is necessary in every business.
                I immediately remembered the Kazakhs who, along with me, were ready to solve any problems, Tatars, Mari, and many others.

                The spirit (if you do not know) does not have a nationality. The Russian Spirit is a state of Soul.
                "One soldier in the field !!! Or how a RUSSIAN soldier stopped a column of Georgian tanks"
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAn6zF7jtIM
  16. +1
    24 November 2019 20: 10
    Trump's election campaign, not otherwise laughing
  17. 0
    24 November 2019 20: 16
    Quote: bouncyhunter
    But the empire stubbornly does not want to acknowledge its collapse ...

    By the way, there are laws or principles of the independent collapse of empires when an empire does not fall apart under the blows of an external enemy (war).
    The empire falls into two parts, the "old" one with the "old" capital and the "new" one with a new capital. The "old" part continues to degrade, since the basic principles of the empire's existence are fully preserved in it, at about the same pace as the entire empire, and the new part, having received the impetus of modernization, is rebuilt and flourishes again. But in general, all empires are crumbling.
    Bet on which US city will be the capital of the second half of the split empire.
  18. 0
    24 November 2019 21: 40
    Quote: Iskander of Alexandria
    Evidence in the studio

    In Google you type: "Attack of the oil complexes of Saudi Arabia by drones"
    And you still say that we are inventing ... Read it yourself.
    American air defense finally did not notice anything, so they decided to put Petriotov there again, so that next time drones stupidly fought from the sticking-out rockets in the fence. It is necessary for the Americans to suggest that the rockets be placed vertically, so the fence will be higher.
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  19. xax
    +4
    24 November 2019 22: 41
    Quote: From Siberia we
    From Siberia we

    Quote: RUSS
    RUSS

    Quote: Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat

    Quote: JD1979
    JD1979

    Quote: Crane
    Crane

    Quote: Iskander of Alexandria
    Iskander of Alexandria

    Quote: OlezhkaKravchenko
    OlezhkaKravchenko

    Quote: Saboteur Holuay
    Saboteur Holuy


    "Wow-wow! Don't touch the owner!"
    1. 0
      24 November 2019 22: 48
      Quote: xax
      WOF WOF

      Yaw
  20. 0
    25 November 2019 01: 08
    Quote: Diversant Holuy
    Quote: Good_Anonymous
    MTR - just an umbrella, under which the existing forces of the JI gathered.

    No, Delta and DEVGRU, for example, are generally unique, the special forces aren’t the most important there, every oper is trained and performs other functions, most often strategic intelligence, this is a mini CIA, but more effective ...

    MTR-USA is the most numerous in the world, their number is 58 thousand! They include the most diverse units for their intended purpose, some of which have no analogues in the world. And the military power brought to a fist is simply unprecedented! The joint command of special operations today has at the forefront of the fight against global terrorism the following most combat-ready units (ground-based, sea, air force component):
    1. Delta Squad
    2. Seals
    3. Intelligence Support Activity, ISA (intelligence and technical support for Delta and Seals)
    4. 24th Special Forces Tactical Squadron

    And also the most numerous composition of special forces of the ground forces, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force:
    5 Rangers Regiment
    6. Green Berets
    7.160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment Night stalkers
    8. 4th group of psychological operations
    9. 95th Civil Administration Brigade
    10. Special Kennedy Training Center
    11. Regiment of special operations of the Marine Corps
    12. Regiment of special operations of the Marine Corps
    13. Reconnaissance battalion of special operations of the Marine Corps
    14. Marines Special Operations Support Group
    15. School of Special Operations of the Marine Corps
    16. Seal Delivery Vehicle Teams
    17. Teams using special combat ships
    18. 23rd Air Force
    19. 1st special operations wing
    20. 27st special operations wing
    21. 919st special operations wing
    22.193th special operations wing
    23. 352st special operations wing
    24. 353st special operations wing
    25. 720th Special Tactical Group
    26. US Air Force Special Operations School

    So Trump, when they brought the list for awards for successes in military and political, was proud of such a number. And he said - bring me the skin of Kim! Then the embarrassed leaders of the MTR explained that this is still not possible for technical reasons: the shirt is long and the weapon is exceptionally short ...
  21. 0
    25 November 2019 02: 15
    Danka, do not aggravate, I can’t recall now: 1 more term and home, in Krasnodar - you will receive a colonel, you will have a rest in a bathhouse - and how many vacation pay have accumulated)
  22. -3
    25 November 2019 02: 37
    Quote: From Siberia we
    Yes, here everything is unparalleled, advanced and progressive. that's how I watch rents immediately proud !!! as I listen to the president, so pride just bursts chest. they are up to us, well, in general, they will never catch up with us! what to say, rotting west! whether business with us all managers are effective! technology on top!
    Here's an example: in Omsk, the sports arena got bogged down, and then it was demolished !!! Well? who else can in the decaying west?

    And if you look at the show "moskva.kreml.putin" under the nightingale trill, then you can break from pride, therefore, it is better not to look at night. Cartoons about beauty rockets. Countryman, you forgot to mention, about the overhaul of the refinery in Omsk by the hands of 5 thousand Chinese, you forgot to tell about the temple, on the site of the park (in Omsk, opposite the Mayakovsky cinema), at the complex they boosted 1 billion rubles at today's prices, and there are foam bricks, plasterboard vaults. I mean that they can't even build properly. And the crumbling stadiums, after the World Cup, I am silent. Trolls threw you cons, your truth, hurts your eyes. We can be proud of the President's friends. More and more of them become, in proportion to the increasing taxes and poverty.
  23. +1
    25 November 2019 02: 46
    The American dream has long turned into an "American evil fairy tale" .. It's time for the world community to accept this as a given ..
  24. 0
    25 November 2019 11: 31
    I am glad that American mythology was generally discussed. American exclusivity has been driven into the heads of ordinary Americans for years by years, and many sincerely believed it. A considerable merit in the creation of American mythology belongs to the American film industry. In each action movie the American Marine defeats them. If there are five marines in the mountains of Afghanistan, then they smash a hundred bearded men in turbaned robes, if aliens attacked the city, then the marines are right there. If terrorists attacked the white house and want to seize the president, then a retired marine will certainly save him. all failures of marines and special forces are carefully hushed up. Take at least the action to destroy Benladen. There, a whole helicopter with marines fell on a concrete fence and burned to the ground. But no one died, probably all had catapults. At the same time, such a superpower as the United States has a huge public debt, which, due to strange circumstances, was bought by the Chinese Communists.
  25. 0
    25 November 2019 14: 27
    Quote: Captive
    They can still recruit. The State Department has money for this. I must admit right away that I am not leavened and not pepsikolny. Kumysny i laughing

    Me too, but with a touch of shubat!
  26. 0
    25 November 2019 21: 34
    Quote: Good_Anonymous
    The point is not in Alpha, but in the difference between Alpha's class and those whom she defeated.

    When classmates in Alpha served, I didn’t doubt her drinks
  27. +1
    26 November 2019 15: 22
    And prices in America continue to creep up. In the morning there is one price for bread, in the evening the price is already higher, which resembles the days of the Tagged and the Drinker.

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