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ZRPK "Shell-S1E" shot down US and NATO drones over Libya

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ZRPK "Shell-S1E" shot down US and NATO drones over Libya

The United States and NATO almost one day lost in Libya on a reconnaissance drone. As previously reported in the African command of the US Armed Forces, on November 21 a reconnaissance drone was lost in the Tripoli area.


According to a widespread press release issued by the African command of the US Armed Forces, an American reconnaissance vehicle was lost in the Libyan capital of Tripoli on 21 on November, a day earlier an Italian drone was lost there. The loss of drones confirms the Western edition "The Aviationist", which on this fact reported that in one day the US and NATO lost two reconnaissance drones in the Tripoli area - the MQ-9 Reaper and the MQ-9A Predator-B. It is alleged that both drones were shot down by the Russian Pantsir-S1E air defense system, which is in service with the army of Khalifa Haftar. The complex was previously delivered to Libya from the UAE, who purchased them in Russia.

According to reports, both drones were shot down in about the same area. Representatives of the Libyan National Army Haftar did not comment on the loss of American and Italian drones, which allows experts to claim the loss of drones is not from weapons. There is an assumption that both drones were forced to land using Russian electronic warfare equipment, which Moscow supplies to its ally in Libya, Khalif Haftar.

It has been suggested that the 1L222 Avtobaza system of executive radio intelligence reconnaissance is the most likely means to combat drones.



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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 24 November 2019 12: 56 New
    +37
    Great news! Shell works! good
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 24 November 2019 13: 04 New
      +56
      The most effective advertisement for Russian weapons.
      American Democracy Victims Club asks Russian military-industrial complex to arrange supplies of "medicines" smile
      1. Spartanez300
        Spartanez300 24 November 2019 13: 09 New
        +9
        In any case, NATO should not underestimate the Shell.
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 24 November 2019 14: 38 New
          -3
          There is an assumption that both drones were forced to land using Russian electronic warfare

          Come on?!
          The Americans said that after the loss of a drone over Iran took action. In addition to GPS, military drones now have inertia engines, and in case of doubt about GPS signals or loss of connection with the base, military drones return to the base in autonomous mode precisely by the inertia. Well, when approaching the base already, GPS will work fine.
          So they shot down with a rocket or machine gun.
          1. businessv
            businessv 24 November 2019 16: 24 New
            0
            Quote: Shurik70
            and in case of doubt in GPS signals or loss of connection with the base, military drones return to the base offline

            So when intercepting control, the electronic warfare is positioned by the drone as a base!
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 24 November 2019 17: 49 New
              +9
              Quote: businessv

              So when intercepting control, the electronic warfare is positioned by the drone as a base!

              There is such a thing as an encryption chip.
              You can decrypt its signals with ONE SINGLE microcircuit making up a pair of it. One chip is on the drone, the second on the control panel.
              All stories about intercepting battle drones are nothing more than a GPS signal spoofing. The drone incorrectly determined its coordinates, and circled in one place until the fuel ran out. After a similar interception by Iran of the latest American drone, now all drones have protection against this - inertia. EW can prevent him from completing a task, but CANNOT INTERCEPT MANAGEMENT. And with us, and with the Americans.
              Stories about the interception of Ukrainian UAVs in the Donbas - they remade commercial and home-made UAVs into reconnaissance ones. They do not have channel encryption, there is no software to return to the base when the control signal is lost, there are no inertia players, there is only GPS. These are not military UAVs, but they can be riveted almost free of charge by any student from battens and polystyrene. If only there were an electric motor and a battery.
              1. bk316
                bk316 24 November 2019 20: 59 New
                +9
                You can decrypt its signals with ONE SINGLE microcircuit making up a pair of it. One chip is on the drone, the second on the control panel.

                Is this what you explain for completely stupid people, or do you imagine it yourself? laughing From your words it follows that it’s enough to lose, it’s better not to drop the remote control and UAVs worth millions of bucks can be thrown away. wassat
                For anyone, I can surprise you - there are no unique pairs of microchips, everything works the same as in your phone when connecting a mobile bank to a bank server, for example. The most ordinary memory, the keys are stored in it, the most ordinary or specialized processors (it doesn’t matter) that implement encoding / decoding with these keys. What is commonly called cipher processors, they are just specialized mikruhs that implement one or another algorithm; within the algorithm, they are all the same.
                1. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 24 November 2019 21: 44 New
                  -13
                  This is who you need to be in order to lose the control panel (which, by the way, is mounted, as a rule, inside a mobile platform, for example, inside an infantry fighting vehicle).
                  The chip itself is an easily replaceable element. While the UAV is flying, one chip in the control panel, the second in the UAV. When the UAV is in the hangar, it does not matter where this pair of chips is.
                  1. Bratkov Oleg
                    Bratkov Oleg 24 November 2019 22: 10 New
                    +11
                    There are no pairs of chips. There are keys, software, stored in RAM, or in ROM. There are encryption algorithms, there are specialized microcircuits that perform special functions, and, figuratively speaking, the same microcircuit is on all drones.
                    1. Shurik70
                      Shurik70 24 November 2019 23: 18 New
                      -6
                      RAM also happens.
                      Such chips are usually used to encrypt files stored in the archive or sent over the Internet. In principle, even a microcircuit is not needed here, a software encoder (such as ZIP or RAR) is enough, but it is considered more reliable with a microcircuit.

                      But in military UAVs, a removable encryption chip with ROM is used. She was reflashed once, and this can no longer be done. Moreover, the manufacturer itself does not know with which code it was reflashed. The duplicate is flashed with the same code. And so it turns out a pair of encryption chips that are suitable only for each other.
                      One person can set the code for the firmware (but in this case, theoretically, he can then inform his enemies), or maybe a special memory firmware generator. Two microcircuits are shoved into it, launched, and he randomly selects a random number for the firmware. The user of the code does not know. And so it turns out one single pair of chips.
                      1. Shuttle
                        Shuttle 25 November 2019 10: 21 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Shurik70

                        .
                        Such microcircuits are usually used to encrypt files stored in the archive or sent over the Internet ...

                        [with a breath of admiration] Oh, this is probably done on special computers? ..
                      2. bk316
                        bk316 25 November 2019 11: 26 New
                        +3
                        but with a chip is considered more reliable.

                        Who is considered? In what sense is more reliable? In terms of cryptographic strength? Why?
                        The duplicate is flashed with the same code.

                        Same? Are you talking about private key encryption? It has not been used for twenty years. And in the control channels of the UAV has never been used. YES EVEN IN CARS SIGNALS ceased to be used.

                        Comrade, do not write about what you do not understand. And even more so do not argue with people who have learned this.
                      3. bk316
                        bk316 25 November 2019 13: 16 New
                        +4
                        And so it turns out one single pair of chips.

                        In general, of course, your fantasies are funny. Just think how to use this approach to transfer UAVs along the chain of operators. And how to manage multiple UAVs from one control center.
                        So I can imagine how a pneumatic post was laid through mountains and seas, through which mikruhi are carried from one UAV control center to another, and in the main control center, rows of remotes with tags hang on cords (so as not to drop). laughing

                        But seriously google "symmetric public-key encryption protocols"
                    2. Wolverine
                      Wolverine 25 November 2019 09: 16 New
                      0
                      Quote: Bratkov Oleg
                      There are no pairs of chips. There are keys, software, stored in RAM, or in ROM. There are encryption algorithms, there are specialized microcircuits that perform special functions, and, figuratively speaking, the same microcircuit is on all drones.

                      Hi Oleg, for sure - pure chip tuning ... drinks wink
                  2. certero
                    certero 25 November 2019 01: 52 New
                    +3
                    Please, no more thinking about what you are completely unaware of.
                  3. Rzzz
                    Rzzz 25 November 2019 12: 32 New
                    0
                    Quote: Shurik70
                    The chip itself is an easily replaceable element. While the UAV is flying, one chip in the control panel, the second in the UAV. When the UAV is in the hangar, it does not matter where this pair of chips is.

                    This was done about 50 years ago. Now everything is software, plus the keys are dynamically changing.
                2. Yngvar
                  Yngvar 25 November 2019 06: 07 New
                  +3
                  bk316 (Vladimir)
                  You are absolutely right! There is only a pseudo-repeating sequence (cipher-gamma) superimposed on useful information. It is possible to implement it on any microcircuit, having a key. There are no unique pairs of chips to implement such a process! There is only a unique code - an offset segment for synchronization of transceiver devices, embedded in the key ...
                  1. Ampere
                    Ampere 25 November 2019 11: 45 New
                    0
                    And yet mikruhi differ in logical and OSes
                    1. Yngvar
                      Yngvar 25 November 2019 13: 14 New
                      0
                      It was about digital systems, respectively, "logic." OSes are also present in this circuitry, for the most part amplifiers ...
                      1. Ampere
                        Ampere 26 November 2019 07: 09 New
                        0
                        That's right, and more optocouplers
              2. businessv
                businessv 25 November 2019 17: 17 New
                0
                Quote: Shurik70
                All stories about intercepting battle drones are nothing more than a GPS signal spoofing.

                Thanks for the educational program, colleague! good drinks
          2. meandr51
            meandr51 24 November 2019 22: 28 New
            0
            What about takeover?
          3. Astronaut
            Astronaut 24 November 2019 22: 37 New
            +2
            in case of doubt in GPS signals or loss of connection with the base, military drones return to the base in autonomous mode precisely by the inertia


            What do you think why GPS is put on board if it is EXACTLY possible to fly by ANN?
          4. flagman2015
            flagman2015 25 November 2019 12: 25 New
            0
            In any case, there are military operations. Drones enter the airspace of a sovereign state and are rightfully destroyed. But launch and control points remain unpunished. There are no replies yet, with the same drones.
          5. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 26 November 2019 03: 08 New
            +2
            Quote: Shurik70
            Americans said

            they say a lot of things ... and they lie very often !!! wassat wink wink laughing laughing laughing
      2. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 24 November 2019 13: 09 New
        +36
        I agree, 60 million $ landed during the day! What is not advertising! There and the road to them negative nothing to fly over a sovereign country!
        1. novel66
          novel66 24 November 2019 13: 15 New
          +12
          Lesch hi and there are constantly flying Israeli planes. waiting for continuation?
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 24 November 2019 13: 19 New
            +17
            Novel hi and over Libya, then what have they forgotten? belay
            1. novel66
              novel66 24 November 2019 13: 29 New
              +9
              and I confused Libya with Lebanon .. it happens, on Sunday something .. crying
              1. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 24 November 2019 13: 32 New
                +17
                Quote: novel xnumx
                and I confused Libya with Lebanon .. it happens, on Sunday something .. crying

                This is not scary! wink The main thing that you know for sure - the Beroru Sea does not exist in nature! drinks
                1. novel66
                  novel66 24 November 2019 13: 33 New
                  +6
                  it is yes! the sixth fleet is not afraid of them !! drinks
                  1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                    Ratmir_Ryazan 24 November 2019 14: 15 New
                    +2
                    it is yes! the sixth fleet is not afraid of them !! drinks


                    Negotiations are ongoing between Ukraine and Belarus and Poland on how to make a shipping route from the Baltic to the Black Sea.

                    At such a pace, the 6 fleet can reach both Belarus and the Black Sea.

                    It's really a lot to dig, but there seems to be experience there, they will do it.

                    In general, we do not have to relax))).
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                    2. Amin_vivec
                      Amin_vivec 24 November 2019 14: 46 New
                      +2
                      Why bother? There is already such a path - Through Moscow - the port of five seas))))
                    3. businessv
                      businessv 24 November 2019 16: 29 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                      It's really a lot to dig, but there seems to be experience there, they will do it.

                      Once the sea was dug, the path was also dug, if only there were enough shovels!
                    4. Rzzz
                      Rzzz 24 November 2019 21: 37 New
                      0
                      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                      how to make a shipping route from the Baltic to the Black Sea.

                      Firstly, one way already exists - Volgo-Don + Volgo-Balt. But far along it, about 4000 km from Kerch to St. Petersburg, 35 locks.

                      There is still the Dnieper-Bug system, built at the end of the 19th century, passing along the Pripyat River, the canal to the Bug, then to the Vistula. But there are extremely small dimensions of the path and the gateway in Brest is destroyed. In theory, you can scale and expand to fit the standard European river boat, they are small there.

                      In Soviet times, there was a project of the Black Sea-Baltic Route along the Dnieper, Pripyat, a canal a hundred kilometers long to the Neman, and 6 locks on the Neman. Good dimensions were already planned there, and the path was shorter than all. Now this is no longer cranked up, the Balts will not agree, and so many pennies can not be found.

                      So there’s no need to compose anything new with waterways. Everything has long been invented by more intelligent people.
                2. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 24 November 2019 13: 58 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Hunter 2
                  Beroru Sea in nature does not exist!

                  So this is me cho: in vain from the shore with binoculars watching how mattresses rush around? crying
                  The US and NATO lost two reconnaissance drones in the Tripoli area - the MQ-9 Reaper and the MQ-9A Predator-B. It is alleged that both drones were shot down by the Russian Pantsir-S1E air defense missile system

                  Where there are even pens - there are results. soldier
                  1. Hunter 2
                    Hunter 2 24 November 2019 14: 33 New
                    +6
                    Greetings Paul! hi Absolutely true! yes Where does this qualification come from? request wink
                    1. bouncyhunter
                      bouncyhunter 24 November 2019 14: 44 New
                      +14
                      Quote: Hunter 2
                      Where does this qualification come from?

                      From where from? Have you forgotten the Vietnamese pilot Lee Si Tzin? And the training is alive! yes wink soldier
                3. Evil echo
                  Evil echo 24 November 2019 14: 07 New
                  +1
                  Since when? And I’m going to relax there in the summer wassat
                4. Oyo Sarkazmi
                  Oyo Sarkazmi 24 November 2019 17: 44 New
                  +3
                  The Belarusian Sea does not exist in nature!
                  So, Belarusian mussels and oysters are a hoax? And I bought a jar ... crying
                5. grandson of Perun
                  grandson of Perun 24 November 2019 19: 15 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Hunter 2
                  Beroru Sea in nature does not exist!

                  There is no Belorussian, but the Minsk Sea is wink
                6. Alex Nevs
                  Alex Nevs 25 November 2019 13: 22 New
                  0
                  Who said? THERE IS! wink
          2. Igorpl
            Igorpl 24 November 2019 18: 21 New
            +2
            Who just does not fly over Libya. Except for the Libyans.
            1. vladcub
              vladcub 24 November 2019 18: 44 New
              +3
              Gaddafi is good or bad, but was the Master in the country, and now there: FIG understand who to whom and by whom
              1. Igorpl
                Igorpl 24 November 2019 18: 46 New
                -1
                Rather, everyone and everything is an enemy / competitor
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 24 November 2019 14: 40 New
          +9
          Quote: Hunter 2
          I agree, 60 million $ landed during the day! What is not advertising! There and the road to them negative nothing to fly over a sovereign country!

          I would have thrust the praised F-35 into the ground, this would be an advertisement for our Shell. Although justice must be said that the ESR of a drone is lower than that of any fighter.
        3. Den717
          Den717 24 November 2019 17: 57 New
          0
          Quote: Hunter 2
          60 million $ landed during the day!

          Even you bent ..... wink About 30 million is a tactical unit consisting of several UAVs and the entire ground-based flight support complex.
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 24 November 2019 18: 33 New
            +4
            Quote: Den717

            Even you bent ..... wink About 30 million is a tactical unit consisting of several UAVs and the entire ground-based flight support complex.

            I found such a figure, I can’t pretend to be absolutely accurate. But in your opinion, how much are these two UAVs?
            1. Den717
              Den717 24 November 2019 18: 57 New
              0
              Quote: Hunter 2
              But in your opinion, how much are these two UAVs?

              I do not possess accounting documents, and therefore I use what is on the Internet. About the "unit" from there. How much can they cost? I think in the 10-20 range, depending on the configuration. But without guarantees of authenticity. In the 2011 year there was such an infa: ".... The US Air Force ordered almost fifty unmanned aerial vehicles MQ-9 Reaper (Reaper) this year at $ 6.2 million for each. The price will double when sensors, systems are installed fire control and communications .... "
              There is this: “The tactical unit of Predator consists of four UAVs, a ground control station, satellite communications terminal and 55 personnel. Predator is designed to perform over-the-horizon, long-range, high-altitude operations, including reconnaissance, surveillance, and delivering precision missile strikes. Can be used together with search mini-UAVs, which allows reconnaissance without reduction and danger of falling under fire ... "
              T.O. for each 4 device there is a full range of ground equipment, which of course will affect the cost of an individual aircraft, calculated from the amount of the contract and the mentioned number of devices. Something like this...
              1. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 24 November 2019 19: 17 New
                +4
                I don’t know how much you can trust VIKE, but according to it, the last contract for Italy is 2009, two Reapers - 63 $ million + the cost of service.
                Yes, in general, the exact figure is not so important, it is in any case incomparable with the cost of the rocket for the Carapace ... and the Carapace itself - it’s not even so close!
      3. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 24 November 2019 14: 46 New
        +2
        and who separated the United States from NATO? when?
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    3. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 24 November 2019 13: 22 New
      +5
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Great news! Shell works! good

      The UAE seems to have delivered it to Libya.
      An Italian-made U.S. MQ-9 Reaper crashed under Tripoli. Initially, the LNA reported that a Turkish drone was shot down, but when they found the wreckage of a downed car, the marking indicated Italy.


      According to some data, the UAV fell for technical reasons.
      According to other sources - the car was shot down by the "Shell 1" complex, which appeared relatively recently at Haftar.

      https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/5440174.html
    4. earth curvature
      earth curvature 24 November 2019 13: 37 New
      -12
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Great news! Shell works! good

      Where did the shell come from?
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 24 November 2019 13: 55 New
        +15
        Quote: curvature of the earth
        [
        Where did the shell come from?

        You read the article at last! yes UAE - support the Haftar Army by supplying weapons (the shell was previously owned by the UAE) with money and provides political support!
      2. Ravil_Asnafovich
        Ravil_Asnafovich 24 November 2019 14: 19 New
        +7
        Where did the shell come from? Said, how did you end up here? Fired hi.
      3. Bratkov Oleg
        Bratkov Oleg 24 November 2019 22: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: curvature of the earth
        Where did the shell come from?

        Americans and Italians are also puzzled by this issue ...
    5. venik
      venik 24 November 2019 13: 40 New
      +6
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Great news! Shell works! good

      ========
      "Carpool" + "Shell" = GREAT POWER !!!! soldier
    6. Thrifty
      Thrifty 24 November 2019 15: 27 New
      0
      More often they would even be shot down, even intercepted with a landing! We need to wean the insolents to fly where they do not belong!
    7. scorpio 47
      scorpio 47 24 November 2019 15: 57 New
      +1
      Well, yes, against turtles. And, in addition, shot down or not shot down. That's the question.
    8. Vodrak
      Vodrak 24 November 2019 18: 08 New
      0
      I agree with you.
      The goals are quite decent, especially if the "car base" worked, so in general ...
  2. kot423
    kot423 24 November 2019 12: 56 New
    +5
    If not a fake, then now the western howl will begin, led by mattresses, and behind the shell there will be a queue, as for C-400 laughing And this is good!
    1. Evil543
      Evil543 24 November 2019 13: 00 New
      +11
      So again, it’s not the ones who brought down the blame recourse
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 24 November 2019 13: 32 New
        +6
        Quote: Evil543
        So again, it’s not the ones who brought down the blame recourse

        Russia put in the "most democratic" country good Muslim world - to the Emirates! What are your complaints? stop Let us then blame Russia for producing such equipment. request
        1. Omskgasmyas
          Omskgasmyas 24 November 2019 14: 14 New
          +1
          By the way, it is in the Emirates that the descendants of the Prophet Muhammad live, and not in Saudi Arabia, where Mecca and Medina are located.
          1. Slon379
            Slon379 24 November 2019 22: 24 New
            0
            So their kind of all of that, then descendants.
        2. Igorpl
          Igorpl 24 November 2019 18: 24 New
          -1
          So already. The truth is not for the shell, but for Iskander.
      2. Rostislav
        Rostislav 24 November 2019 13: 59 New
        +7
        The one to blame is who without demand crawls into a foreign country, it does not matter, by air or by land.
        And those who shot down - well done!
    2. Honest Citizen
      Honest Citizen 24 November 2019 13: 04 New
      +1
      now the western howl will begin, led by mattresses

      What topic is howling? What is it dishonest? laughing They say we launched a "kite" and then bang, and if you please shave?
      Didn’t they know that there was a war in Libya? So let them howl - this is the voice of one crying in the wilderness.
      1. kot423
        kot423 24 November 2019 13: 07 New
        +1
        You are so small wink drinks They only need a pretext, even the most absurd, without docks to howl about the evil Russians and their nightmarish weapons lol
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 24 November 2019 13: 45 New
        +10
        Quote: Honest Citizen
        What topic is howling? What is it dishonest?

        What is there to be surprised if they howl even about the movement of Russian military equipment across Russia ...
    3. iConst
      iConst 24 November 2019 13: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: kot423
      and behind the shell lining up, as for C-400

      "In turn, with ... children, in turn!" (M. Bulgakov, film "Dog Heart", I don’t remember if these lines are in the novel).
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 24 November 2019 18: 49 New
        +1
        In the novel, I don’t remember something like that. True, I have long read
        1. sgapich
          sgapich 24 November 2019 22: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: vladcub
          In the novel, I don’t remember something like that. True, I have long read

          Specially opened the book, looked - is, chapter V "From the diary of Dr. Bormental" hi
          PS I have a two-volume edition of 1989, Kiev, Dnipro Publishing House
      2. Captain45
        Captain45 25 November 2019 12: 35 New
        0
        Quote: iConst
        "In turn, with ... children, in turn!" (M. Bulgakov, film "Dog Heart", I don’t remember if these lines are in the novel).

        "January 10th. Dressing happened ..... I refused the pants, protesting with hoarse cries:" In turn, with ****** we are children, in turn! "He was dressed." (C) Bormental's observation diary on the creature . "Heart of a Dog" M. Bulgakov smile
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    6. loki565
      loki565 24 November 2019 14: 28 New
      +1
      Rather, now the hunt will begin on this shell with all the forces of NATO, such a spit came out)))
      1. Bratkov Oleg
        Bratkov Oleg 24 November 2019 22: 18 New
        0
        Quote: loki565
        Rather, now the hunt will begin on this shell with all the forces of NATO, such a spit came out)))

        The most annoying thing for NATO is that they will be handed an inflatable mock-up, and they will receive medals for it.
        And only after a few years will the whole comic of this situation come up ...
    7. Kettle
      Kettle 24 November 2019 15: 47 New
      +6
      If shot down - well,
      but, in fairness, such a goal as a ripper-type drone is a sweet bun for any air defense system with suitable altitude reach characteristics.
      UAVs are very different. One thing is the small-sized rocket-shaped "kamikaze". Or stealth jet X-47, -49, "Hunter", Neuron, Taranis.
      Another thing - hefty, almost with the dimensions of a fighter, but with a cruising speed of 250-300 km / h "Ripers".
      Due to their aerodynamic design, extra-large elongation wings, which allow saving fuel and hanging at high altitudes, up to 15 km, they are extremely dynamic, unmaneuverable and poorly controlled compared to conventional combat aircraft.
      Minimum margin of safety, as there are no people on board and maximum weight efficiency is needed - to take more fuel and weapons.
      The minimum reserve of aerodynamic, combat, structural stability - any more or less strong wind, thundercloud, slight icing, a small defeat of the planes and governing bodies can lead to the loss of UAVs.
      Plus unimportant overview and situational awareness for the pilot-operator.
      In the book “Revelations of the War Drone Operator Operator” by American Mackerley, the author describes all this using several years of flights in the Middle East as an example. Only not on the "Reaper", but on its predecessor, the "Predator".
      Such expensive high-altitude UAVs - only for reconnaissance and limited strikes in the absence of air defense systems, for counterguerrilla operations or flights in peacetime.
      Here it’s rather worth talking about the stupidity or stupid arrogance of the commanders and operators of these “Ripers” who sent drones to the Tripoli region, which was quite densely planted with air defense systems.
      1. Tavrik
        Tavrik 24 November 2019 18: 02 New
        +2
        I agree. Mackerley read the book too. Or maybe this is not stupidity or arrogance, but "reconnaissance in battle" in order to study the capabilities and level of training of personnel ??
      2. Vodrak
        Vodrak 24 November 2019 18: 18 New
        0
        Maybe he should buy a booth with hot dogs?
        Ketchup is probably easier to pour than such an x. Renovina to manage? ....
        Well of course ... exceptional ...
        I wonder how many lyuli he grabbed?
    8. scorpio 47
      scorpio 47 24 November 2019 15: 59 New
      0
      Maybe a request will come from Zimbabwe. Or Somalia
    9. Vodrak
      Vodrak 24 November 2019 18: 10 New
      0
      Oh yes leave ...
      The dog barks .... The caravan is coming ...
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 November 2019 12: 59 New
    +8
    But what's the difference, "Shell" or "Carpool"? The main thing is working, and ... Not even in the hands of our soldiers. Export option. wassat
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 24 November 2019 13: 02 New
      +6
      Well, you just can't track your hands. wink Maybe not ours, but maybe ... the ways of the Lord are not confessed. laughing
      1. Alex bergman
        Alex bergman 24 November 2019 18: 07 New
        0
        Yes, judging by the information, it looks more like ours. Well, or from civilian employees, for example.
    2. iConst
      iConst 24 November 2019 13: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      What's the difference,

      Dissitino, the Americans in Libya have not decided yet - all who butt there are "democratic" forces. laughing
    3. earth curvature
      earth curvature 24 November 2019 13: 42 New
      -15
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      But what's the difference, "Shell" or "Carpool"? The main thing is working, and ... Not even in the hands of our soldiers. Export option. wassat

      It is not even known what kind of American drone was lost, not to mention the Shell and Carpool drawn from the ears.
      But the main thing is that something works, cheers!
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 24 November 2019 13: 52 New
        +6
        Quote: curvature of the earth
        It is not even known what kind of American drone was lost
        Have you tried to read the article?
        The loss of drones is confirmed by the Western publication "The Aviationist", which on this fact reported that in one day the US and NATO lost two reconnaissance drones in the Tripoli region - MQ-9 Reaper and MQ-9A Predator-B.
        1. earth curvature
          earth curvature 24 November 2019 14: 12 New
          -7
          Quote: Dart2027
          Quote: curvature of the earth
          It is not even known what kind of American drone was lost
          Have you tried to read the article?
          The loss of drones is confirmed by the Western publication "The Aviationist", which on this fact reported that in one day the US and NATO lost two reconnaissance drones in the Tripoli region - MQ-9 Reaper and MQ-9A Predator-B.

          Well, unlike you, I not only read an article by an anonymous author on VO, but also an article in "The Aviationist". I’ll tell you a secret (only to anyone) that it says about the American drone: "The aircraft, whose type was not unveiled", and the Shell there is mentioned exactly 0 times.
          Can you imagine? repeat
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 24 November 2019 14: 31 New
            +7
            Quote: curvature of the earth
            what about the American drone says: "The aircraft, whose type was not unveiled"
            Online article translation
            It is known that two types of American drones regularly fly over Libya: RQ-4 Global Hawks, based at Sigonella Air Base, Italy (as part of the 7th Reconnaissance Squadron), and MQ-9 Reapers, based as in Sigonella (as part of 324- of the expeditionary air reconnaissance squadron) at the Nigerian 201 airbase, also known as the Agadez airbase, in Niger, as well as in Larissa, Greece, where several American MQ-9 were based (probably until August 2019 of the year, although their temporary deployment there probably has been extended).
            In the future, it also talks about the MQ-9. This is also a secret.
            As for the Shell, they wrote about it after the first downed UAV (that is, 21) https://warsonline.info/novosti/novosti/liviia/libya201119-1.html
            1. earth curvature
              earth curvature 24 November 2019 14: 53 New
              -10
              Quote: Dart2027
              Online article translation

              Well, they have two types of drones there. From which it follows that they shot down the Reaper, I still do not understand?
              Quote: Dart2027
              In the future, it also talks about the MQ-9. This is also a secret.

              What is said? winked
              Quote: Dart2027
              As for the Shell, they wrote about it after the first downed UAV (that is, 21) https://warsonline.info/novosti/novosti/liviia/libya201119-1.html

              1. Well, where is the link to the LNA?
              2. And where on the "shot down" UAV you will not show openings from the striking elements of the rocket?
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 24 November 2019 15: 59 New
                +5
                Quote: curvature of the earth
                What is said?
                From there
                However, while breaking the link between unmanned aerial vehicles and their remote control stations can be an easy task for the small drones category, jamming signals used for remote piloting MQ-9 Reaper (which are routed through satellite data channels when BLOS is the Beyond Line of Sight) can be extremely complex.
                For some reason they write about him, how did you read the article?
                Quote: curvature of the earth
                Well, where is the link to the LNA
                In the article?
                Quote: curvature of the earth
                And where on the "shot down" UAV holes

                In fact, it shows some parts, not all the debris.
        2. Prisoner
          Prisoner 24 November 2019 18: 36 New
          +1
          laughing "The Chukchi is not a reader, the Chukchi is a writer" (c) The podpanks started to fuss, were offended by the pan.
  4. earth curvature
    earth curvature 24 November 2019 13: 02 New
    -7
    It has been suggested that the most probable means for fighting drones is the 1L222 Executive Aviation Intelligence System.

    As if the site suggests the presence of literate people, both among the authors of posts and among readers. How, then, to explain the appearance of articles that seriously claim that the PASSIVE RTR complex is capable of fighting UAVs?
    1. Vita vko
      Vita vko 24 November 2019 13: 16 New
      +16
      Quote: curvature of the earth
      PASSIVE RTR capable of fighting UAVs?

      Any air defense is primarily a system, and not separately taken air defense systems. They are therefore made mobile because, before the target enters the zone of guaranteed destruction of the air defense systems, they are in disguised positions in disguised positions. Judging by the assumption, until the very last moment, the UAV was not able to obtain information about any electronic exposure. Consequently, target designation came from passive location means, and the guidance went through the optical channel. Hence the lack of understanding of the US and NATO commands of the reasons for the loss of two devices.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 24 November 2019 19: 04 New
        +2
        "until the very last moment, the UAV was not able to obtain information about any electronic radiation", which by itself implies the presence of a competent operator ..
        Without trained specialists. ANY WEAPON-METAL SCREW
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 24 November 2019 13: 44 New
      +7
      Quote: curvature of the earth
      after all, seriously claiming that the complex PASSIVE RTR is capable of fighting UAVs?

      Maybe it should.
      Observe and transmit information to REP and air defense systems
      1. earth curvature
        earth curvature 24 November 2019 13: 48 New
        -7
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: curvature of the earth
        after all, seriously claiming that the complex PASSIVE RTR is capable of fighting UAVs?

        Maybe it should.
        Observe and transmit information to REP and air defense systems

        I got what you mean
        There is an assumption that both drones were forced to land using Russian electronic warfare equipment, which Moscow supplies its ally in Libya, Khalifa Haftar.

        It has been suggested that the most probable means for fighting drones is the 1L222 Executive Aviation Intelligence System.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 24 November 2019 13: 53 New
          +5
          What are we talking about. For example, some RTR complex determined the frequencies used by the drone and transmitted them to the RTR complex. He began to jam. A helicopter flew into the area and shot down an autonomous UAV flying
          Is it possible to say that the RTR complex was involved in the fight against UAVs? Yes.
          1. earth curvature
            earth curvature 24 November 2019 14: 15 New
            -7
            Quote: Spade
            some RTR complex determined the frequencies used by the drone and transmitted them to the RTR complex. He began to jam. A helicopter flew into the area and shot down an autonomous UAV flying
            Is it possible to say that the RTR complex was involved in the fight against UAVs? Yes.

            Do you feel bad reading comprehension?
            both drones were forced with the help of Russian electronic warfare
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 24 November 2019 14: 33 New
              +1
              Quote: curvature of the earth
              Do you feel bad reading comprehension?
              both drones were forced to land using Russian EW

              Rather, you.
              For the quote completely looks like this:
              There is an assumption that both drones were forced to land using Russian electronic warfare equipment, which Moscow supplies its ally in Libya, Khalifa Haftar.

              Poke your finger, where in this quote is mentioned
              Quote: curvature of the earth
              PASSIVE RTR complex
              1. earth curvature
                earth curvature 24 November 2019 14: 56 New
                -7
                Quote: Spade
                For the quote completely looks like this:
                There is an assumption that both drones were forced to land using Russian electronic warfare equipment, which Moscow supplies its ally in Libya, Khalifa Haftar.

                Poke your finger, where in this quote is mentioned
                Quote: curvature of the earth
                PASSIVE RTR complex

                Immediately, CEP.
                It has been suggested that the most probable means for fighting drones is the 1L222 Executive Aviation Intelligence System.
  5. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 24 November 2019 13: 08 New
    0
    Have caught fire on 20 green llamas, I wonder how much the rocket costs for the Pantsir-S1E air defense missile system? !! bully
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 24 November 2019 13: 17 New
      +5
      Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
      I wonder how much the missile costs for the Pantsir-S1E air defense missile system? !!

      Obviously, ten times cheaper. Yes, the whole "Shell" is not so much tongue
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 24 November 2019 16: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
      Have caught fire on 20 green llamas, I wonder how much the rocket costs for the Pantsir-S1E air defense missile system? !! bully

      And if from the guns, without the use of rockets, they failed ...
    3. vladcub
      vladcub 24 November 2019 19: 22 New
      +1
      Question on 5 points. I prefer the 5 scoring system in the old fashioned way. In 100 or in 7 point system, I see ape
  6. knn54
    knn54 24 November 2019 13: 13 New
    +5
    What is the difference-shot down, planted. The main thing is the correctness of the ideology of the layered missile defense / air defense system.
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 24 November 2019 14: 01 New
      +4
      hi There is a difference. The fact that the Shell is good, he has already proved in Syria. And, very importantly, it is developing further.

      But the fact that the highly protected MQ9 UAV monitoring and control systems can be opened with electronic warfare systems is changing a lot. To fill up such combat robots without a single shot is also an economic effect! wink
      1. aiden
        aiden 24 November 2019 16: 16 New
        +2
        Especially since the Americans admitted that we are the best in rab, and they are far behind us
  7. Pavel57
    Pavel57 24 November 2019 13: 23 New
    +1
    Something they flew low
  8. Svetlana
    Svetlana 24 November 2019 13: 31 New
    0
    Quote: Hunter 2
    Great news! Shell works! good

    Or "Carpool". To read and comprehend is necessary not only the name but also the content hi
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 24 November 2019 13: 41 New
      +4
      Yah? Well, Duck read and comprehend! laughing On the Shell - Affirmation! By Carpool - Guess! Do you feel the difference? what
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 24 November 2019 16: 25 New
        -1
        The fact is that two drones are lost. And everything else is speculation.
        It's like ... for example, the Boeing that is shot down over the Donbas. The fact is that it is brought down. And who and what is the secret shrouded in darkness, despite the fact that the warring parties at 100% are sure that others destroyed it and have all the evidence for this.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 24 November 2019 18: 28 New
          +2
          Quote: Svetlana
          And who and what is the secret shrouded in darkness, despite the fact that the warring parties at 100% are sure that others destroyed it and have all the evidence for this.

          Well, and what evidence did the APU provide?
          1. rhino
            rhino 24 November 2019 18: 46 New
            -2
            Bear with it a little bit, soon you will be laid out every second who, where and when launched the rocket on the Boeing.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 25 November 2019 20: 10 New
              0
              Quote: Nashorn
              soon you will be laid out in seconds, who, where and when launched the rocket on the Boeing

              A little how many years?
  9. Zeev Zeev
    Zeev Zeev 24 November 2019 13: 36 New
    -11
    Well, it means that in a couple of weeks another delegation from the Pentagon will land in Ben Gurion to study Israeli experience in combating anti-aircraft missile systems, and new jobs will be opened at the Rafael plant in Haifa to carry out an urgent order for drones.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 24 November 2019 13: 46 New
      +5
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      experience in combating anti-aircraft missile defense systems

      Stupidly try to crush the mass. To shoot the entire BC. Then hit the complex and scream with delight for several years.

      I don’t think it’s suitable for the Americans. laughing laughing laughing They have been able to do this since Vietnam.

      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Haifa will open new vacancies to carry out an urgent order for drones.

      Haifa is now in California?
      1. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 24 November 2019 13: 52 New
        -18
        I advise you once again to review the video of the destruction of two "Shell" in Syria.
        And Haifa is still there - in Israel. And there they produce a bunch of things for sale in different countries. Even to Italy
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 24 November 2019 13: 56 New
          +11
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          I advise you once again to review the video of the destruction of two "Shell" in Syria.

          To make sure that they are empty again?

          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          And Haifa is still there - in Israel.

          So break off. With vacancies and more. Because lost UAVs are made in California,
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev 24 November 2019 13: 59 New
            -9
            I advise you to review (dear Professor, by the way, put it out) to see that one of the "Shell" is fired by missiles. And smears.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 24 November 2019 14: 02 New
              +10
              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              shoots back with missiles. And smears.

              Doesn’t the Israeli agitprop welcome the option of "shooting at other targets?"
              As usual, "they shot at our territory, but missed and hit our ISIS terrorist friends?"

              Once again, only the empty ones were able to hit the “Shell”.
              That is, this is not suitable for the Americans. Rather, they have been able to do this for a very long time.
              1. Zeev Zeev
                Zeev Zeev 24 November 2019 14: 09 New
                -13
                Yes Yes. For other purposes, a rocket flies into the forehead.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 24 November 2019 14: 14 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  Yes Yes. For other purposes, a rocket flies into the forehead.

                  Rather, there were many such missiles. Shot down the next one.

                  This, with the permission to say "strategy", players in computer games are called "Rush." ​​It can be used only in case of heroic kicking by a crowd of lying weakling in the gateway. For in a normal war there is simply not enough money.
                  1. Zeev Zeev
                    Zeev Zeev 24 November 2019 14: 18 New
                    -11
                    Rather it was a lot, or it was definitely a lot? In any case, not one of these "many missiles" is visible in front of the camera, that is, the flying missile was in front. And her missiles bypass. Why?
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 24 November 2019 14: 23 New
                      +8
                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      Rather it was a lot, or it was definitely a lot?

                      Given the fact that empty installations were amazed, there were many goals

                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      not one of these "many rockets" is visible in front of the camera

                      laughing laughing laughing
                      Did you manage not to notice the explosion of the previous rocket?
                      1. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev 24 November 2019 14: 34 New
                        -6
                        I noticed that two rockets flew past the camera,
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 24 November 2019 14: 35 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        I noticed that two rockets flew past the camera,

                        And far past the camera.
                        Rush in its purest form
                  2. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 24 November 2019 14: 37 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Zeev Zeev
                    not visible in front of the camera, i.e. a flying rocket was ahead

                    Option on the side is not considered?
                  3. sivuch
                    sivuch 24 November 2019 15: 45 New
                    0
                    with the fact that the flying was already in the dead zone.
          2. Something
            Something 24 November 2019 14: 39 New
            +11
            Quote: Zeev Zeev
            I advise you to review (dear Professor, by the way, put it out) to see that one of the "Shell" is fired by missiles. And smears.

            Uneducated sofa Jewish strategist, I’m not tired of lying and writing nonsense about “Shell-S1”. Second Shell Shelling Missiles was not - a fake of the Jews. "Anti-aircraft missiles" in fake cannot have such waking maneuverability. With your "professor" of acidic cabbage soup, learn materiel, including with fighters of the invisible front!
            1. Zeev Zeev
              Zeev Zeev 24 November 2019 15: 00 New
              -8
              Two "Carapace". One shoots back, the second does not. Everything is in the video
              1. Gromozeka
                Gromozeka 24 November 2019 15: 46 New
                +2
                Dear readers of the Military Review! Before you, Jewish couch strategists with letters openly write an outright lie and present their Fake about the defeat of the "Shell-S1". And so that you believe in it, they repeatedly replicate their lies themselves or with the help of "near" or Russophobes, trying to draw your attention to lies! Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missiles or others, cannot have such agility physically. They try to breed you like suckers!

                And the ending is good evidence of your lies.
                1. Gromozeka
                  Gromozeka 24 November 2019 17: 10 New
                  +2
                  Conscious lie. The Panzer-S1 anti-aircraft missile cannot rotate 180 degrees in place without losing speed, and in Fake it is the other way round, and the operation of shunting gas-dynamic jet engines is also not visible. Carefully watch the launch of the Tor-m2 missiles when its missiles are deployed at 90 degrees, while losing their initial speed. In Israeli Fake, only a super-maneuverable fighter can fly like that, not rocketsincluding anti-aircraft. There is a lie of the Jews!
          3. aiden
            aiden 24 November 2019 16: 17 New
            +5
            The professor is a local clown. His posts are not worth attention
            1. Liam
              Liam 24 November 2019 16: 28 New
              -8
              Quote: aiden
              The professor is a local clown. His posts are not worth attention

              Professor is one of the most educated Persians on this site.
              1. aiden
                aiden 24 November 2019 16: 29 New
                +9
                The most educated and adequate is Warrior Wow. And this is a clown and a troll
                1. Fikys
                  Fikys 25 November 2019 04: 59 New
                  +2
                  The warriors have their own fad - Fu35, the rest - I agree.
                  1. aiden
                    aiden 25 November 2019 18: 09 New
                    +5
                    He at least says everything with reason, and gives technical information that is not in doubt.
      2. Ramzaj99
        Ramzaj99 24 November 2019 17: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        I advise you once again to review the video of the destruction of two "Shell" in Syria.

        What is there to review ?? 10 aircraft, a cloud of drones, a wave of missiles and gliding bombs. And all this for one complex !!!
        So much ammunition flew into it, there the air defense division could be buried .....
  10. Professor
    Professor 24 November 2019 13: 47 New
    -20
    Quote: Zeev Zeev
    Well, it means that in a couple of weeks another delegation from the Pentagon will land in Ben Gurion to study Israeli experience in combating anti-aircraft missile systems, and new jobs will be opened at the Rafael plant in Haifa to carry out an urgent order for drones.

    1. The delegation will be. There is something to learn.


    2. Next time, unarmed drones will not be thrown into Libyan air defense.
    3. Raphael does not specialize in drones. In any case, before buying Averonotiks.
    1. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 24 November 2019 13: 56 New
      -8
      Well then in Ashdod at the Elta factory.
      1. Something
        Something 24 November 2019 14: 45 New
        +10
        Yes, Jews, keep your intelligence fake. Shell-S1 anti-aircraft missiles or other anti-aircraft missile system, cannot have such maneuverability There is a lie and slander by the god of the offended.
        1. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev 24 November 2019 15: 03 New
          -7
          Yeah. All fakes. And the bombings in Damascus were shot in Kfar Saba, and the photos of the detonated air defense systems in Photoshop were taken ...
      2. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 24 November 2019 14: 47 New
        +1
        And where else are the plants in Israel and which ones? And what do they produce?
        1. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev 24 November 2019 15: 04 New
          -5
          This is public information available on the web.
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 24 November 2019 13: 56 New
      +6
      Quote: Professor
      Next time, unarmed drones will not be thrown into Libyan air defense.

      MQ-9 Reaper (/ ˈriːpə /, from the English - “reaper, reaper”; a hint of the expression Grim Reaper - “grim reaper”, ie death) - reconnaissance-strike UAV developed by General Atomics Aeronautical Systems (a division General Dynamics Corporation) for use in the United States Air Force, United States Navy and British Air Force.
      Can carry:
      - Up to 4 air-to-ground missiles AGM-114 Hellfire
      - Or 4 Hellfire missiles and two Mark 82 laser-guided bombs (GBU-12)
      - Or Mark 82 GPS Guided Bombs (JDAM)
      1. Professor
        Professor 24 November 2019 14: 01 New
        -13
        Quote: Dart2027
        Quote: Professor
        Next time, unarmed drones will not be thrown into Libyan air defense.

        MQ-9 Reaper (/ ˈriːpə /, from the English - “reaper, reaper”; a hint of the expression Grim Reaper - “grim reaper”, ie death) - reconnaissance-strike UAV developed by General Atomics Aeronautical Systems (a division General Dynamics Corporation) for use in the United States Air Force, United States Navy and British Air Force.
        Can carry:
        - Up to 4 air-to-ground missiles AGM-114 Hellfire
        - Or 4 Hellfire missiles and two Mark 82 laser-guided bombs (GBU-12)
        - Or Mark 82 GPS Guided Bombs (JDAM)

        Well, which of the following is intended for self-defense from the Shell?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 24 November 2019 14: 08 New
          +6
          Quote: Professor
          Well, which of the following is intended for self-defense from the Shell?

          Please, reference to the fact that the Helfaer ATGM and Mark 82 bombs cannot hit the Shell-type air defense systems
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 24 November 2019 14: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          Designed for self defense from the Shell

          So what of the IDF, which is in service with UAVs, is intended for defense from the Shell? Delilah cruise missile? So this is the same air-to-ground missile.
          1. Professor
            Professor 24 November 2019 15: 00 New
            -12
            Quote: Dart2027
            Quote: Professor
            Designed for self defense from the Shell

            So what of the IDF, which is in service with UAVs, is intended for defense from the Shell? Delilah cruise missile? So this is the same air-to-ground missile.

            First, Delila is not only "air-ground"
            https://topwar.ru/9341-vysokotochnaya-krylataya-raketa-delilah.html
            Secondly, we have a large arsenal. For example https://topwar.ru/154495-barrazhirujuschie-boepripasy-semejstva-iai-harpy-izrail.html
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 24 November 2019 16: 03 New
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              First, Delila is not only "air-ground"

              Given the fact that we are talking about the defense of UAVs from MANPADS, other modifications are irrelevant, there are.
              Quote: Professor
              Secondly, we have a large arsenal
              UAV-kamikaze? Yes there is, but what do they have to do with the "self-defense of the reaper"?
              1. Professor
                Professor 24 November 2019 18: 19 New
                -7
                You and I are a little about different things.
                1. Delilah is not a UAV weapon.
                2. Video of the defense from the Shell I posted above.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 24 November 2019 18: 30 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Professor
                  Delilah is not a UAV weapon

                  Well, what kind of weapon UAV self defense you have?
                  Quote: Professor
                  Armor Defense Video

                  This is when a bunch of rockets or kamikaze drones were fired at him? And what does the UAV self-defense have to do with it? Self-defense is when he himself hits the target with his weapon.
    3. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 24 November 2019 14: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Well, it means that in a couple of weeks another delegation from the Pentagon will land in Ben Gurion to study Israeli experience in combating anti-aircraft missile systems, and new jobs will be opened at the Rafael plant in Haifa to carry out an urgent order for drones.

      1. The delegation will be. There is something to learn.


      2. Next time, unarmed drones will not be thrown into Libyan air defense.
      3. Raphael does not specialize in drones. In any case, before buying Averonotiks.

      Professor break off. Who will give you? Will you go against your government?
      Israel is increasingly being added to the Haftar friends list. Contacts between the Israelis and Haftar began, according to analyst Giorgio Kafiero of the Gulf State Analytics consulting company in Washington, through the UAE as far back as 2015. Haftar’s support promised the Jewish state to strengthen ties with Egypt and the UAE, and later with Saudi Arabia. Finding agreement with Sunni states that shared Israel’s fears about the threats posed by Iran and Hezbollah, as well as Sunni jihadists, was a clear success for Israel.

      Do not forget about the beneficial business for the Israelis associated with the sale of weapons to Haftar soldiers. Another factor is related to the search for allies with considerable mineral resources. Thus, the goals of Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Haftar in many ways, including in terms of the fight against terrorists in the Sinai, coincided.

      Haftar’s first meeting with Mossad’s agents was held in the strictest secrecy in Jordan. It was possible to agree on the sale of sniper rifles and night vision devices for LNA. Later, in agreement with Haftar, the Israelis carried out air raids against the enemies of the LNA. It came to the point that Algeria warned Haftar about the inadmissibility of receiving such assistance from Israel.

      http://www.ng.ru/world/2019-07-22/6_7629_libia.html
      1. Professor
        Professor 24 November 2019 14: 09 New
        -12
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Professor break off. Who will give you? Will you go against your government?

        Already in what only they did not accuse us ... On a fig to us to get into the Libyan dismantlings? We have not yet put things in order at our side.
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 24 November 2019 14: 17 New
          +5
          Quote: Professor
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          Professor break off. Who will give you? Will you go against your government?

          Already in what only they did not accuse us ... On a fig to us to get into the Libyan dismantlings? We have not yet put things in order at our side.

          That's right. You won’t refuse the ability to reverse gear in time. good drinks
          1. Professor
            Professor 24 November 2019 14: 19 New
            -11
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            Quote: Professor
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            Professor break off. Who will give you? Will you go against your government?

            Already in what only they did not accuse us ... On a fig to us to get into the Libyan dismantlings? We have not yet put things in order at our side.

            That's right. You won’t refuse the ability to reverse gear in time. good drinks

            Not. The ability not to climb into others showdowns.
      2. Gromozeka
        Gromozeka 24 November 2019 15: 33 New
        +1
        Dear readers of the Military Review! Before you, Jewish couch strategists with letters openly write an outright lie and present their Fake about the defeat of the "Shell-S1". And so that you believe in it, they repeatedly replicate their lies themselves or with the help of "near" or Russophobes, trying toFocus your attention on lies! Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missiles or others, cannot have such agility physically. They try to breed you like suckers!
        1. Gromozeka
          Gromozeka 24 November 2019 17: 21 New
          +2
          Conscious lie. The Panzer-S1 anti-aircraft missile cannot rotate 180 degrees in place without losing speed, and in Fake it is the other way round, and the operation of shunting gas-dynamic jet engines is also not visible. Carefully watch the launch of the Tor-m2 missiles when its missiles are deployed at 90 degrees, while losing their initial speed. In Israeli Fake, only a super-maneuverable fighter can fly like this, and not missiles, including anti-aircraft ones. There is a lie of the Jews!
      3. vladcub
        vladcub 25 November 2019 19: 11 New
        +1
        "Go against your government." In Israel, there was a case when the head of the security service with the prime minister bought himself, “waving” with the head of government — peeing against the wind. He, with two friends, an officer who was not guilty of anything, was accused of betrayal, tried and shot. And for this he spent 2 day in custody !!
    4. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 24 November 2019 14: 08 New
      +3
      There is something to learn.


      When learning, awaken, do not forget to remind them of this either -

      1. Professor
        Professor 24 November 2019 14: 13 New
        -11
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        There is something to learn.


        When learning, awaken, do not forget to remind them of this either -


        Do not forget and draw conclusions. We look at how last week the Syrian air defense was buggy during our attacks.


        By the way, the Syrians missed 4's batteries ...
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 24 November 2019 14: 24 New
          +11
          Do not forget and draw conclusions. We look at how last week the Syrian air defense was buggy during our attacks.


          I do not see in your attacks on Syria either valor or honor.

          You are simply trying to finish off Syria torn by the provocation and military intervention of Western countries, and not even on your own initiative, but in the service of the United States.

          IDF - became another PMC for the United States. Your soldiers are essentially mercenaries who do not serve the interests of Israel, but the interests of another country - the United States for the money that you are allocated in exchange for what you do for the United States.

          Your tactics: provocation - strike - provocation - strike.

          3,8 billion a year does not lie on the road, of course I understand your commercialism, it will only cost you a lot of money. Syria will stand, gain strength, strengthen its air defense and air defense of Lebanon.

          Not all of you beat because of the "corner".

          Then I'll look at how you sing the "heroes" in battle on an equal footing.
          1. Professor
            Professor 24 November 2019 14: 52 New
            -18
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            I do not see in your attacks on Syria either valor or honor.

            Protection of citizens of their state is valor and honor.

            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            You are simply trying to finish off Syria torn by the provocation and military intervention of Western countries, and not even on your own initiative, but in the service of the United States.

            We put on Syria. She attacked us and got an answer.

            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            IDF - became another PMC for the United States. Your soldiers are essentially mercenaries who do not serve the interests of Israel, but the interests of another country - the United States for the money that you are allocated in exchange for what you do for the United States.

            We have a draft army and our soldiers do not get paid.

            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            Your tactics: provocation - strike - provocation - strike.

            For example?

            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            3,8 billion a year does not lie on the road, of course I understand your commercialism, it will only cost you a lot of money. Syria will stand, gain strength, strengthen its air defense and air defense of Lebanon.

            Before the 2008 crisis, hundreds of billions of dollars were swelled into the Russian economy. AND?
            https://www.facebook.com/sergey.vasiliev.106/posts/10157671485909650

            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            Not all of you beat because of the "corner".

            Then I'll look at how you sing the "heroes" in battle on an equal footing.

            On equal terms, in general, it did not work out. Basically, we had to act against superior enemy forces.
            1. K-50
              K-50 24 November 2019 15: 26 New
              +7
              Quote: Professor
              Protection of citizens of their state is valor and honor.

              You were a citizen of another state.
              Did you protect him? Where is your valor and honor?
              It’s not for you, who sold the Homeland that raised you, nourished you, put you on your feet, gave you a free education to talk about Valor and Honor. negative
              1. Professor
                Professor 24 November 2019 15: 28 New
                -18
                Quote: K-50
                You were a citizen of another state.
                Did you protect him? Where is your valor and honor?

                It was. Defended, but that state has sunk into oblivion. So to speak merged into the sewer of history.

                Quote: K-50
                It’s not for you, who sold the Homeland that raised you, nourished you, put you on your feet, gave you a free education to talk about Valor and Honor.

                My parents raised and fed me. The scoop has sunk into oblivion. He is absent. Tu-tuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ...
                1. aiden
                  aiden 24 November 2019 16: 27 New
                  +3
                  You have a scoop instead of brains.
                2. vladcub
                  vladcub 24 November 2019 19: 38 New
                  +2
                  Professor, I’m not an amateur for any reason to plus or minus, and even more so nationally, but now -. Scoop is MY CHILDHOOD, but for some reason I love my childhood.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 24 November 2019 20: 28 New
                    -10
                    Quote: vladcub
                    Professor, I’m not an amateur for any reason to plus or minus, and even more so nationally, but now -. Scoop is MY CHILDHOOD, but for some reason I love my childhood.

                    Well? Millions of Germans spent their childhood under Hitler. They also should not say anything bad about Nazi Germany? Do not touch their childhood?

                    Do not confuse childhood with the regime.
                    1. vladcub
                      vladcub 25 November 2019 19: 16 New
                      +1
                      Tell me, as a child, you were very ill under the Soviet regime?
                    2. Professor
                      Professor 25 November 2019 20: 20 New
                      -4
                      Quote: vladcub
                      Tell me, as a child, you were very ill under the Soviet regime?

                      Not very, but bad. From the first class we were taught to walk in formation. Scoop.
            2. Incvizitor
              Incvizitor 24 November 2019 17: 59 New
              -1
              Israel will lose the fshatsky “roof”, they will come there to take “for everything good” with the whole world, these “fellow patriots” will immediately wash themselves off to China.
          2. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 24 November 2019 23: 36 New
            +1
            Protection of citizens of their state is valor and honor.


            This is undeniable, but where in the Israeli attacks on Syria, for which you use provocations, the protection of your citizens? You don’t hold us for fools. Syria now least of all needs a conflict with Israel.

            You yourself or with the help of your USA sponsors (and they connect your agents from ISIS and other terrorist organizations in Syria) organize the reasons for the attack on Syria, and then hypocritically speak of protecting your state.

            Hitler also defended his state and the citizens of his country. His methods are also valor and honor?

            So in Israel they are no better now.

            We have a draft army and our soldiers do not get paid.


            Your army is drafted, but direct US subsidies to your military budget is 3,8 billion dollars annually, that is 25% of your military budget, which is very significant. And you certainly appreciate it and are ready for this money to do the dirty work for the United States and in the interests of the United States, using conscripts who do not even pay wages.

            In fact, the IDF is PMCs for the United States.

            Before the 2008 crisis, hundreds of billions of dollars were swelled into the Russian economy. AND?
            https://www.facebook.com/sergey.vasiliev.106/posts/10157671485909650


            This is generally bullshit. No one in Russia, and even more so in its army, didn’t swell anything, yes they pumped it out.

            For the 90s, Russia selling resources and cooperating with the West only turned out to be even more indebted than at the time of the collapse of the USSR, the size of public debt at the end of the 90s was 145% of GDP, with reserves of 14-16 billion dollars in total, and this despite the fact that Russia sold oil, gas, metals, coal, timber and weapons. Until 2008, we only repaid debts. And they began to rearm the army and pay due attention to it only after Georgia dared to attack South Ossetia, having previously shot our peacekeeping battalion from tanks at point-blank range, which was based on a UN decision. At the same time, the collective West began to blame Russia for the fact that we were the first to attack.

            On equal terms, in general, it did not work out. Basically, we had to act against superior enemy forces.


            Yes, there were of course earlier glorious moments in the history of Israel as well as not very glorious ones, for example, when in 1956 Israel with France and Britain decided to take the Suez Canal from Egypt.
            1. Professor
              Professor 25 November 2019 09: 37 New
              -5
              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              This is undeniable, but where in the Israeli attacks on Syria, for which you use provocations, the protection of your citizens? You don’t hold us for fools. Syria now least of all needs a conflict with Israel.

              Syria fired 4 rockets at us (we filed a complaint with the UN) and received an answer. What's not clear?

              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              You yourself or with the help of your USA sponsors (and they connect your agents from ISIS and other terrorist organizations in Syria) organize the reasons for the attack on Syria, and then hypocritically speak of protecting your state.

              Hitler also defended his state and the citizens of his country. His methods are also valor and honor?

              So in Israel they are no better now.

              Where is the doc, that we will organize the reasons for the strike on Syria? Agitation is not interesting to me.

              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              Your army is drafted, but direct US subsidies to your military budget is 3,8 billion dollars annually, that is 25% of your military budget, which is very significant. And you certainly appreciate it and are ready for this money to do the dirty work for the United States and in the interests of the United States, using conscripts who do not even pay wages.

              3.8 billion is about 1% of our GDP. A trifle. Nevertheless, our soldiers do not receive salaries and to call them mercenaries is to lie or not to understand the topic at all.

              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              This is generally bullshit. No one in Russia, and even more so in its army, didn’t swell anything, yes they pumped it out.

              Oh well. Try to refute this "nonsense" with numbers. Weak? Not some ridiculous 3.8 billion were pumped into the Russian Federation, but hundreds of billions. The fact that there is no result is not our fault.

              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              And they began to rearm the army and pay due attention only after Georgia dared to attack South Ossetia, having previously shot our peacekeeping battalion, which was in this region, from tanks at point-blank range by decision of the UN. At the same time, the collective West began to blame Russia for the fact that we were the first to attack.

              Give a reference to the UN decision. We laugh together either at the decision or at you. wink

              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              Yes, there were of course earlier glorious moments in the history of Israel as well as not very glorious ones, for example, when in 1956 Israel with France and Britain decided to take the Suez Canal from Egypt.

              What France and England tried to take away is not our concern. We drove Fedayunov through the desert so that they did not attack us anymore. It helped for a while. Nevertheless, the topic "On an equal footing" is closed.
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        3. Gromozeka
          Gromozeka 24 November 2019 15: 43 New
          +1
          Dear readers of the Military Review! Before you, Jewish couch strategists with letters openly write an outright lie and present their Fake about the defeat of the "Shell-S1". And so that you believe in this, they repeatedly replicate their lies themselves or with the help of "near" or Russophobes, trying to draw your attention to the lies! Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missiles or others, cannot have such agility physically. They try to breed you like suckers!
          1. Gromozeka
            Gromozeka 24 November 2019 17: 22 New
            +1
            Conscious lie. The Panzer-S1 anti-aircraft missile cannot rotate 180 degrees in place without losing speed, and in Fake it is the other way round, and the operation of shunting gas-dynamic jet engines is also not visible. Carefully watch the launch of the Tor-m2 missiles when its missiles are deployed at 90 degrees, while losing their initial speed. In Israeli Fake, only a super-maneuverable fighter can fly like this, and not missiles, including anti-aircraft ones. There is a lie of the Jews!
      2. earth curvature
        earth curvature 24 November 2019 14: 42 New
        -9
        Quote: Professor
        We look at how last week the Syrian air defense was buggy during our attacks.

        What is the matter with them? Crushed?
        1. Professor
          Professor 24 November 2019 14: 54 New
          -9
          Quote: curvature of the earth
          Quote: Professor
          We look at how last week the Syrian air defense was buggy during our attacks.

          What is the matter with them? Crushed?

          These crushed, and 4 destroyed.

          Quote: loki565
          As well as the vaunted PETRIOT, I wonder how the same railway dome will work if rockets fly over it, and not gas cylinders)))

          LCD in my memory did not intercept cylinders. Last week intercepted Xnumx full-time Syrian missiles.
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          2. Gromozeka
            Gromozeka 24 November 2019 15: 35 New
            +1
            Dear readers of the Military Review! Before you, Jewish couch strategists with letters openly write an outright lie and present their Fake about the defeat of the "Shell-S1". And so that you believe in it, they repeatedly replicate their lies themselves or with the help of "near" or Russophobes, trying focus your attention on lies! Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missiles or others, cannot have such agility physically. They try to breed you like suckers!
            1. earth curvature
              earth curvature 24 November 2019 15: 45 New
              -11
              Quote: Thunderclock
              Dear readers of the Military Review! Before you, Jewish couch strategists with letters openly write an outright lie and present their Fake about the defeat of the "Shell-S1". And so that you believe in it, they repeatedly replicate their lies themselves or with the help of "near" or Russophobes, trying focus your attention on lies! Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missiles or others, cannot have such agility physically. They try to breed you like suckers!

              Thanks to the experts!
              1. Gromozeka
                Gromozeka 24 November 2019 15: 58 New
                +6
                the curvature of the earth (Fedor), the dirty street is your lie! Consciously lying - do not confuse the launch of serviceable non-Shell-S1 rockets in Fake with faulty ones, in this case, C-300. Look at the Shuttle crash when the wreckage scatters in all directions! Contradict yourself! Serviceable rockets "Shell-S1" do not have such maneuverabilityas presented in Israeli Fake!
                1. earth curvature
                  earth curvature 24 November 2019 16: 08 New
                  -6
                  Quote: Thunderclock
                  the curvature of the earth (Fedor), the dirty street is your lie! Consciously lying - do not confuse the launch of serviceable non-Shell-S1 rockets in Fake with faulty ones, in this case, C-300. Look at the Shuttle crash when the wreckage scatters in all directions! Contradict yourself! Serviceable rockets "Shell-S1" do not have such maneuverabilityas presented in Israeli Fake!

                  After it turned out that "to have such agility physically" can not only Shell rockets, but also much larger C-300 rockets, our expert nodded and started changing shoes on the go. good
                  1. Gromozeka
                    Gromozeka 24 November 2019 16: 33 New
                    +6
                    Quote: curvature of the earth

                    After it turned out that not only Shell shells, but also much larger C-300 rockets can "physically maneuverability", our expert nodded and started changing shoes on the go.

                    Do not write nonsense! Shell-S1 anti-aircraft missile cannot turn at 180 degrees in place without losing speed, And in Fake is the other way around, and the operation of shunting jet engines is also not visible.. Carefully watch the launch of the Tor-2 missiles when its missiles are deployed at 90 degrees, while losing their initial speed. There is a lie of the Jews!
              2. Dart2027
                Dart2027 24 November 2019 16: 07 New
                +3
                Quote: curvature of the earth
                Thanks to the experts.

                And you are not aware that the Shell and C-300 rockets are slightly different things? In addition, the rocket in question does not maneuver while aiming at the target, but has gone peddling and is just chatting in the air. Here is the first one, yes, but there are no crazy pirouettes.
                1. earth curvature
                  earth curvature 24 November 2019 16: 16 New
                  -8
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  And you are not aware that the Shell and C-300 rockets are slightly different things?

                  What is different?
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  In addition, the rocket in question does not maneuver while aiming at the target, but has gone peddling and is just chatting in the air.

                  1. How do you know that the shells were not the same?
                  2. If you didn’t forget, it was a question of the fact that the “Shell-S1” anti-aircraft missiles or othercannot have such maneuverability physically.
                  Oops.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 24 November 2019 16: 18 New
                    +4
                    Quote: curvature of the earth
                    What is different?

                    By construction.
                    Quote: curvature of the earth
                    How do you know that the shells were not the same?
                    That is, they were wrong? Well, then what is the merit of Israel?
                    Quote: curvature of the earth
                    If you didn’t forget, then it was said that the “Pantsir-S1” anti-aircraft missiles or others cannot physically have such maneuverability.

                    Quote: Dart2027
                    In addition, the rocket in question does not maneuver while aiming at a target, but gone peddling and she just chatters in the air. Here is the first one, yes, but there are no crazy pirouettes.
                    When a car drives on the road, it can also show a lot of things. Before the accident.
                  2. earth curvature
                    earth curvature 24 November 2019 16: 29 New
                    -11
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Quote: curvature of the earth
                    What is different?

                    By construction.

                    And then? Why are you doing this?

                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Quote: curvature of the earth
                    How do you know that the shells were not the same?
                    That is, they were wrong? Well, then what is the merit of Israel?

                    1. Apart from you, no one spoke of the "merit of Israel." Why did you drag it here again?
                    2. Whether they were serviceable or not or crushed their guidance blocks (as in the “professor” video over Damascus) no one knows, and to be honest, it's not about that at all.
                    For some reason, you got into a conversation in which it was only about the fact that missiles could not maneuver in this way. After it turned out that even as they could - they began to bustle and dodge. Sorry, but respectful adults don’t behave like that.
                    Further conversation with you is not interesting to me.
                    Happy to stay.
                  3. Gromozeka
                    Gromozeka 24 November 2019 17: 26 New
                    +5
                    Conscious lie. The Panzer-S1 anti-aircraft missile cannot rotate 180 degrees in place without losing speed, and in Fake it is the other way round, and the operation of shunting gas-dynamic jet engines is also not visible. Carefully watch the launch of the Tor-m2 missiles when its missiles are deployed at 90 degrees, while losing their initial speed. In Israeli Fake, only a super-maneuverable fighter can fly like this, and not missiles, including anti-aircraft ones. There is a lie of the Jews!
                  4. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 24 November 2019 18: 25 New
                    +3
                    Quote: curvature of the earth
                    And then?
                    Do you understand the word construction?
                    Quote: curvature of the earth
                    Apart from you, no one spoke of the "merit of Israel"
                    Actually, it was originally about him
                    Quote: Thunderclock
                    Dear readers of the Military Review! Before you, Jewish couch strategists with letters openly write an outright lie and present their Fake about the defeat of the "Shell-S1".
                    Already forgotten?
                    Quote: curvature of the earth
                    For some reason, you got into a conversation in which it was only about the fact that missiles could not maneuver in this way. After it turned out that even as they could - they began to bustle and dodge.
                    Oh really? You upload a video that shows the launch of a faulty rocket (which it is even called) and for some reason you begin to assure that if a faulty rocket can wobble as you like before falling, then a good rocket flies like that.
                    Quote: curvature of the earth
                    Further conversation with you is not interesting to me.
                    There is nothing to argue.
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  11. loki565
    loki565 24 November 2019 14: 44 New
    +2
    As well as the vaunted PETRIOT, I wonder how the same railway dome will work if rockets fly over it, and not gas cylinders)))
    1. Gromozeka
      Gromozeka 24 November 2019 15: 40 New
      +4
      Dear readers of the Military Review! Before you, Jewish couch strategists with letters openly write an outright lie and present their Fake about the defeat of the "Shell-S1". And so that you believe in it, they repeatedly replicate their lies themselves or with the help of "near" or Russophobes, trying focus your attention on lies! Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missiles or others, cannot have such agility physically. They try to breed you like suckers!
      1. Gromozeka
        Gromozeka 24 November 2019 16: 49 New
        +4
        A deliberate lie - do not confuse the launch of non-operational Shell-S1 missiles in Fake with faulty ones, in this case C-300. Look at the Shuttle crash when the wreckage scatters in all directions! Contradict yourself! Serviceable Shell-S1 missiles do not have the same maneuverability as is presented in the Israeli Fake! The Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile cannot turn at 180 degrees in place without losing speed, and in Fake it is the other way round, and the operation of shunting gas-dynamic jet engines is also not visible. Carefully watch the launch of the Tor-2 missiles when its missiles are deployed at 90 degrees, while losing their initial speed. There is a lie of the Jews!
  12. Brturin
    Brturin 24 November 2019 14: 44 New
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    We look at how last week the Syrian air defense was buggy during our attacks.

    We can say thanks for the lesson, I think not only the Syrians will draw conclusions from this and take into account in their further development. It’s bad that people died ...
  13. Dart2027
    Dart2027 24 November 2019 14: 45 New
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    We look

    Something incomprehensible in the distance, you won’t understand what flies where. That's just to defeat dozens of goals, as stated by the representatives of Israel, this clearly does not pull, not enough of them. And by the way, where are the 4 batteries from?
    1. Professor
      Professor 24 November 2019 15: 54 New
      -8
      Quote: Dart2027
      Quote: Professor
      We look

      Something incomprehensible in the distance, you won’t understand what flies where. That's just to defeat dozens of goals, as stated by the representatives of Israel, this clearly does not pull, not enough of them. And by the way, where are the 4 batteries from?

      1. The residents of Damascus shot the video, and they posted it on the network. Our showed satellite images "before" and "after".
      2. AOI press service reported on 6-and air defense systems (my blunder). https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/338670.html
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 24 November 2019 16: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        Filmed video residents of Damascus

        I don’t know who was shooting there, but it is impossible to understand anything there.
        Quote: Professor
        https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/338670.html

        Here it is already clear, judging by the article, they hit three goals. The question is how many missiles were and how many were shot down.
        1. Professor
          Professor 24 November 2019 18: 28 New
          -6
          Quote: Dart2027
          I don’t know who was shooting there, but it is impossible to understand anything there.

          Can. The Arabs themselves called this video "anti-aircraft missiles gone crazy." I can clearly see how the air defense system hits residential development.

          Quote: Dart2027
          Here it is already clear, judging by the article, they hit three goals. The question is how many missiles were and how many were shot down.

          Not in 3 goals, but 2 of a dozen goals in 6 different sites. I do not have data on the number of missiles shot down.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 25 November 2019 20: 17 New
            0
            Quote: Professor
            I can clearly see how the air defense system hits residential development.
            One can see something flying, it is not clear where and from where, which is disappearing somewhere.
            Quote: Professor
            Not for 3 goals, but 2 dozen goals in 6 different sites.
            How's that?
            Quote: Professor
            I do not have data on the number of missiles shot down.
            That is the question. The fact that nobody struck something and does not deny it, the question is how many missiles were intercepted.
            1. Professor
              Professor 25 November 2019 20: 23 New
              -4
              Quote: Dart2027
              One can see something flying, it is not clear where and from where, which is disappearing somewhere.

              The Syrians filming the video described what and where.

              Quote: Dart2027
              Not for 3 goals, but 2 dozen goals in 6 different sites.
              How's that?

              Again. 20 goals in 6 districts.

              Quote: Dart2027
              That is the question. The fact that nobody struck something and does not deny it, the question is how many missiles were intercepted.

              It is not a matter of ammunition consumption as:
              1. Goals destroyed
              2. The aircraft were not affected.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 25 November 2019 21: 08 New
                0
                Quote: Professor
                Syrians filming a video described
                Judging by the shooting, they were shot from a long distance and far from professionals.
                Quote: Professor
                20 goals in 6 districts.
                And I did not understand what kind of sites in question.
                Quote: Professor
                1. Targets destroyed 2. Aircraft were not injured.
                As to whether all the goals are destroyed is just the question. Your link says that there were only 4 explosions and 3 targets were hit, and that the Syrian side says that 11 out of 18 missiles were intercepted.
              2. Professor
                Professor 26 November 2019 07: 33 New
                0
                Quote: Dart2027
                Judging by the shooting, they were shot from a long distance and far from professionals.

                "long distance" is a relative thing. Lovers filmed, but the quality of the shooting allows you to observe glitches of the air defense system.

                Quote: Dart2027
                And I did not understand what kind of sites in question.

                "site" and "district" are synonyms. I apologize for using the English word and misleading you.

                Quote: Dart2027
                As to whether all the goals are destroyed is just the question. Your link says that there were only 4 explosions and 3 targets were hit, and that the Syrian side says that 11 out of 18 missiles were intercepted.

                My link says about 2 dozen goals in 6 districts. Satellite imagery has also been demonstrated.
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  • sivuch
    sivuch 24 November 2019 15: 28 New
    +3
    By the way - and which ones? In which case - this is a question for the Professor, and in this case, without sub-approx. Because initially it was claimed about 6 batteries (it is not clear which ones), now it is about 4 and also nameless. The Syrians write about 4 killed officers and one killed Shilka.
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  • sabakina
    sabakina 24 November 2019 13: 54 New
    +9
    Quote: Zeev Zeev
    Well, that means that in a couple of weeks another delegation from the Pentagon will land in Ben Gurion.
    What birch and fog should I send to? wink
    1. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 24 November 2019 14: 01 New
      -7
      Well, they will not fly on the Tu-154. Yes Ben Gurion Airport is not Smolensk
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 24 November 2019 14: 03 New
        +4
        Therefore, I ask: Where to send?
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 24 November 2019 14: 04 New
          +4
          No, well, if the birch is not kosher, you can pine ...
          1. Professor
            Professor 24 November 2019 14: 10 New
            -16
            Quote: sabakina
            No, well, if the birch is not kosher, you can pine ...

            Can. If you look like your avatar. wassat
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 24 November 2019 14: 13 New
              +5
              Professor, I knew that you were vulgar, but to such an extent ... recourse
              1. Professor
                Professor 24 November 2019 14: 17 New
                -15
                Quote: sabakina
                Professor, I knew that you were vulgar, but to such an extent ... recourse

                I'm talking about a tree, and what are you talking about? Birch from Russia to Israel is not exported. Useless tree. Conifers are another matter, but best of all, "Canadian cedar." No knots. The most "that" for the sauna.
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina 24 November 2019 14: 23 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Professor
                  I'm talking about a tree, and what are you talking about?
                  Then what does my profile picture have to do with it?

                  Quote: Professor
                  Quote: sabakina
                  No, well, if the birch is not kosher, you can pine ...

                  Can. If you look like your avatar. wassat
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 24 November 2019 14: 27 New
                    +6
                    Quote: sabakina
                    Then where does

                    Vyacheslav, leave already the “professor” ... let him launder and spit, it’s time for him to go on a campaign.
              2. loki565
                loki565 24 November 2019 14: 47 New
                -2
                just the professor of fairy tales revised, and that is strange at old age)))
            2. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 24 November 2019 14: 13 New
              +9
              Quote: Professor
              Quote: sabakina
              No, well, if the birch is not kosher, you can pine ...

              Can. If you look like your avatar. wassat

              Man, rudeness is not welcome here negative
              1. sabakina
                sabakina 24 November 2019 14: 28 New
                +6
                Roman, prvevet! Vulgarity below the waist is the last way to keep your face not bat! wassat Damn, again gave occasion, about the "not broken" ... laughing
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 24 November 2019 14: 30 New
                  +5
                  Quote: sabakina
                  not beaten

                  . together wink laughing

                  And as for the "professor" - well, we all know him for a long time ... to pay attention to the arrivals of a regular troll - do not respect yourself ... IMHO.
            3. sabakina
              sabakina 24 November 2019 14: 17 New
              +4
              By the way, professor, do you have any vulgarity about eating?
              1. Charik
                Charik 24 November 2019 18: 17 New
                0
                Everyone Eats Someone
        2. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev 24 November 2019 14: 10 New
          -9
          Keep it to yourself.
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 24 November 2019 14: 15 New
            +3
            Don’t worry about us. We have these pines, well before ... in general a lot. wink
            1. Zeev Zeev
              Zeev Zeev 24 November 2019 14: 26 New
              -9
              We have enough too. Or do you think that only cacti grow here?
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 24 November 2019 13: 39 New
    +6
    Well, and now what will individual individuals say, howling that the Russian air defense is worthless, do American drones fly wherever they want?
    Not for the sake of gloating, for the sake of curiosity)))
  • Selxozotdel
    Selxozotdel 24 November 2019 13: 40 New
    +6
    Well, what else can I say, Russian air defense is changing the world! Silently soak hehe heh
    what is the most likely means to combat drones is the 1L222 Executive Aviation Intelligence System.

    Well, this is one of the most effective systems in the limit of visibility. And how many others are there?
  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 24 November 2019 13: 48 New
    +3
    It has been suggested that the most probable means for fighting drones is the 1L222 Executive Aviation Intelligence System.
    Again twenty-five, how many times have they told the world that a complex of passive locations can not land anything, in principle, no, it’s healthy again
    Here is an article from the same site -
    https://topwar.ru/82223-kompleks-passivnoy-lokacii-avtobaza-m.html
  • Fevralsk. Morev
    Fevralsk. Morev 24 November 2019 13: 53 New
    -16
    And the Israeli plane, CT bombing Damascus, shoot down weak? Why groan with joy, there is NO photo and video of the wreckage of the downed UAVs. And if not, consider it a fake.
    1. earth curvature
      earth curvature 24 November 2019 14: 02 New
      -3
      Quote: Fevralsk. Morev
      Why groan with joy, there is NO photo and video of the wreckage of the downed UAVs. And if not, consider it a fake.

      There is


      True, there are no marks from the damaging elements of the Shell shell, but many do not need this. wink
      1. rhino
        rhino 24 November 2019 18: 58 New
        0
        The mark is clearly not the United States.
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 24 November 2019 14: 06 New
      +3
      And the Israeli plane, CT bombing Damascus, shoot down weak?


      February 2018 of the year -



      Not weak, although not easy.
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 24 November 2019 14: 06 New
      +6
      Why not? Italian has a photo and recognition.




      The Americans officially recognized their UAV, there are no pictures of the broken yet. But there is official recognition.
      1. rhino
        rhino 24 November 2019 18: 58 New
        -1
        Whose sign ???
    4. loki565
      loki565 24 November 2019 15: 00 New
      -1
      And the Israeli plane, CT bombing Damascus, shoot down weak? Why groan with joy, there is NO photo and video of the wreckage of the downed UAVs. And if not, consider it a fake.

      So he does not fly over Damascus, bullets from Lebanon or from neutral waters, and the carapace is a melee system, kilometers on 20.
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 24 November 2019 14: 03 New
    0
    It is alleged that both drones were shot down by the Russian Pantsir-S1E air defense missile system


    There is an assumption that both drones were forced to land using Russian electronic warfare


    And so and so good))).
  • Klingon
    Klingon 24 November 2019 14: 03 New
    0
    if they shot it down, it’s necessary, if they planted it, let it be passed to ours, to dig into the guts of a ripper and a predator would be interesting wassat
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 24 November 2019 14: 11 New
    +3
    In any case, one should appreciate the quality and characteristics of the Pantsir-S1E air defense missile system and their joint work with the 1L222 Avtobaza executive radio intelligence system ... good
    Let someone across my throat, but I have good news for my birthday.
  • MrFox
    MrFox 24 November 2019 14: 29 New
    0
    No one noticed how concocted the "news"?

    1. The drone is gone, that's a fact. But that sounds boring without the details, is it? Give me the details!

    2. Further miracles begin. In the original Western news, they write that the cause is unknown and an investigation is underway. But why would the author of the article have any investigations? He already knows everything: "an assumption is being put forward" that the drone landed on the Autobase. Although Carpool is a purely passive tool.

    3. To enhance the effect, the author drives into the heading "Shell", based on the phrase "approved."

    Here's how the news is made: you write "a suggestion is put forward", then you write any nonsense, then you add "it is approved", and again nonsense.
    1. loki565
      loki565 24 November 2019 15: 14 New
      -1
      No one noticed how concocted the "news"?
      1. The drone is gone, that's a fact. But that sounds boring without the details, is it? Give me the details!
      2. Further miracles begin. In the original Western news, they write that the cause is unknown and an investigation is underway. But why would the author of the article have any investigations? He already knows everything: "an assumption is being put forward" that the drone landed on the Autobase. Although Carpool is a purely passive tool.
      3. To enhance the effect, the author drives into the heading "Shell", based on the phrase "approved."
      Here's how the news is made: you write "a suggestion is put forward", then you write any nonsense, then you add "it is approved", and again nonsense.

      The Italians have already recognized the loss of the UAV, photo above. The loss of two UAVs in one area, almost at the same time, is very suspicious. As for the United States, if they have no reason to quickly blame someone, then they shut up their losses until the last, until a video of defeat appears.
      1. MrFox
        MrFox 24 November 2019 15: 37 New
        -2
        see paragraph one. Next - similar speculation
    2. sivuch
      sivuch 24 November 2019 15: 49 New
      +1
      It is important that not one, but two UAVs disappeared, and in 2 days. And the probability of accidental loss = 0.
      The rest is technical details.
      1. MrFox
        MrFox 24 November 2019 15: 50 New
        -4
        Who taught you how to count probabilities?
        1. sivuch
          sivuch 24 November 2019 15: 57 New
          +1
          Good, competent teachers in a good Leningrad school again. Do you want to think that you yourself have fallen? laughing
          1. MrFox
            MrFox 24 November 2019 16: 07 New
            -4
            At school, probability theory does not pass.

            I don’t have such a “want to think,” but simply think - analyze, compare, draw conclusions without this political upheaval
            1. sivuch
              sivuch 24 November 2019 16: 12 New
              +1
              For God's sake - analyze: 2 UAV for 2 days.
            2. Fikys
              Fikys 25 November 2019 06: 23 New
              0
              Quote: MrFox
              At school, probability theory does not pass.

              At school are studying combinatorics and stat. analysis, in this case this is enough. If you are in a science school passed, then this explains a lot ...
              1. MrFox
                MrFox 25 November 2019 09: 00 New
                0
                NVP teacher?
      2. vladcub
        vladcub 24 November 2019 17: 34 New
        +2
        Their genie destroyed. Remember: "slave lamp"?
        1. sivuch
          sivuch 24 November 2019 17: 48 New
          +1
          Finally, the simplest and most rational explanation.
  • analitik79
    analitik79 24 November 2019 14: 58 New
    +1
    + 100 points to Armor
  • K-50
    K-50 24 November 2019 15: 07 New
    +2
    in one day, the US and NATO lost two reconnaissance drones in the Tripoli area - the MQ-9 Reaper and the MQ-9A Predator-B.

    Neh ren fly in a strange sky, without invitation !!! fellow am
    It is alleged that both drones were shot down by the Russian Pantsir-S1E air defense system, which is in service with the army of Khalifa Haftar.

    What is your evidence? Maybe the seagulls "marked" them? Or who is there in Libya from the birds. what
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 24 November 2019 15: 09 New
    +3
    The best advertisement is a qualitative defeat of goals .. Therefore, we will sell more ..
  • BAI
    BAI 24 November 2019 15: 41 New
    +1
    And in fact, and in another case - an excellent result. What is the Shell, what is the EW. I wonder who pressed the buttons?
  • Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich
    Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich 24 November 2019 16: 37 New
    -1
    Oops)) well it happens and the shell shoots once a year)) count Karl it shoots the hell !!!
  • VVK
    VVK 24 November 2019 16: 45 New
    +1
    What a shortsighted colonel Gaddafi was! Not from those and not that I bought weapons. But everything could turn out differently!
  • Dmitry Donskoy
    Dmitry Donskoy 24 November 2019 16: 50 New
    +7
    He takes pride for his country. drinks And we select the presidents of countries, and we bring down other people's drones, and we restore order in the world hi
  • vladcub
    vladcub 24 November 2019 17: 29 New
    +4
    Thank you for not blaming Russia and Putin personally. And then Putin is everywhere: Trump chose, was going to interfere in the elections of Germany and all Western countries.
  • Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 24 November 2019 17: 33 New
    +2
    It is not clear what happened, they shot down the Carapace or put them in with the help of EW - AvtoBaza, these are completely different things.
    1. rhino
      rhino 24 November 2019 19: 03 New
      0
      Yes, they can not put him with electronic warfare, it's a fairy tale !!!
    2. loki565
      loki565 24 November 2019 19: 56 New
      0
      The motor depot is directly a thunderstorm of drones, it is not the first time that it flashes in the news.
  • yfast
    yfast 24 November 2019 19: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Last week intercepted Xnumx full-time Syrian missiles.

    And what are the regular Syrian missiles?
    1. loki565
      loki565 24 November 2019 19: 58 New
      +1
      as usual, gas cylinders.
  • Lone gunman
    Lone gunman 24 November 2019 19: 11 New
    -1
    To distribute “caps” to all urapatrams ... Apparently, who “lowered” the drones did not study poorly in Russia, and did not hang out in clubs with “skins” ... Great.
  • sannyomd
    sannyomd 24 November 2019 20: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: Spartanez300
    In any case, NATO should not underestimate the Shell.

    Even if the shell landed them, then you must admit that low-speed drones are an easy target for him.
  • Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 24 November 2019 21: 25 New
    0
    am If really, it’s worth putting all the equipment of the USA and NATO to the ground, it doesn’t fly, it doesn’t go, it doesn’t float, it’s quiet and foolish, after that all the tensions in the world will be really removed
  • Good_Anonymous
    Good_Anonymous 24 November 2019 21: 31 New
    -8
    For a more or less modern SAM, reconnaissance UAVs are just an easy target.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 24 November 2019 22: 04 New
    +2
    And what is so ...? If you can shoot down, always get knocked down.
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 24 November 2019 23: 51 New
    -3
    "The Aviationist", which, on this fact, reported that in one day the United States and NATO lost two reconnaissance drones in the Tripoli area - the MQ-9 Reaper and the MQ-9A Predator-B. It is alleged that both drones were shot down by the Russian Pantsir-S1E air defense missile system,

    Everything is beautiful as "The Aviationist" is true few details
    And then "BAM AND SECOND CHANGE"
    There is NO WORD in this article about Russian ZRPK "Shell-S1E
    For what and for whom is Noodle?
    1. MrFox
      MrFox 25 November 2019 09: 05 New
      0
      But the people are pleased.

      And caps threw into the air (s)
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 25 November 2019 04: 49 New
    0
    A trifle but nice! Pride in our military-industrial complex, without PR and advertising, is doing its job.
  • fsb_buzuk
    fsb_buzuk 25 November 2019 09: 31 New
    0
    Actually, according to Wikipedia, the height of the target for the Shell-C1 is 15 m - 15 km, the defeat range of up to 20 km in total. The Ripper (MQ-9 Reaper) has the same operating height. 15 km.
    That is, it is quite difficult to hit the Riper with the Shell - it is necessary for the Riper to fly directly into the small zone of the Shell’s defeat, and even lower it.
  • My_log_in
    My_log_in 25 November 2019 09: 37 New
    0
    If this is true - this is just some kind of holiday! drinks A "Carpool" is better than a "Shell" in this case. good Maybe now they will stop from Sicily these dragonflies to drive to Crimea ...
  • Baron wrangel
    Baron wrangel 25 November 2019 11: 57 New
    +1
    Not that great, but GREAT news! Like a balm for the soul. It is necessary to bring down more these metal pendulki. Until they leave the Middle East at all!
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