ZRPK "Shell-S1E" shot down US and NATO drones over Libya

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ZRPK "Shell-S1E" shot down US and NATO drones over Libya

The United States and NATO almost on the same day lost in intelligence in Libya drone. As previously reported in the African command of the US Armed Forces, on November 21, a reconnaissance drone was lost in the Tripoli area.

According to a widespread press release issued by the African command of the US Armed Forces, an American reconnaissance vehicle was lost in the Libyan capital of Tripoli on 21 on November, a day earlier an Italian drone was lost there. The loss of drones confirms the Western edition "The Aviationist", which on this fact reported that in one day the United States and NATO lost two reconnaissance drone - MQ-9 Reaper and MQ-9A Predator-B. At the same time, it is alleged that both drones were shot down by the Russian Pantsir-S1E air defense missile system, which is in service with the army of Khalifa Haftar. The complex was previously delivered to Libya from the UAE, which purchased them in Russia.



According to reports, both drones were shot down in about the same area. Representatives of the Libyan National Army Haftar did not comment on the loss of American and Italian drones, which allows experts to claim the loss of drones is not from weapons. There is an assumption that both drones were forced to land using Russian electronic warfare equipment, which Moscow supplies to its ally in Libya, Khalif Haftar.

It has been suggested that the 1L222 Avtobaza system of executive radio intelligence reconnaissance is the most likely means to combat drones.
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  1. +37
    24 November 2019 12: 56
    Great news! Shell works! good
    1. +56
      24 November 2019 13: 04
      The most effective advertisement for Russian weapons.
      The Club of Victims of American Democracy asks the Russian military-industrial complex to arrange the supply of "drugs" smile
      1. +9
        24 November 2019 13: 09
        In any case, NATO should not underestimate Pantsir.
        1. -3
          24 November 2019 14: 38
          There is an assumption that both drones were forced to land using Russian electronic warfare

          Come on?!
          The Americans said that after the loss of a drone over Iran took action. In addition to GPS, military drones now have inertia engines, and in case of doubt about GPS signals or loss of connection with the base, military drones return to the base in autonomous mode precisely by the inertia. Well, when approaching the base already, GPS will work fine.
          So they shot down with a rocket or machine gun.
          1. 0
            24 November 2019 16: 24
            Quote: Shurik70
            and in case of doubt in GPS signals or loss of connection with the base, military drones return to the base offline

            So when intercepting control, the electronic warfare is positioned by the drone as a base!
            1. +9
              24 November 2019 17: 49
              Quote: businessv

              So when intercepting control, the electronic warfare is positioned by the drone as a base!

              There is such a thing as an encryption chip.
              You can decrypt its signals with ONE SINGLE microcircuit making up a pair of it. One chip is on the drone, the second on the control panel.
              All stories about intercepting battle drones are nothing more than a GPS signal spoofing. The drone incorrectly determined its coordinates, and circled in one place until the fuel ran out. After a similar interception by Iran of the latest American drone, now all drones have protection against this - inertia. EW can prevent him from completing a task, but CANNOT INTERCEPT MANAGEMENT. And with us, and with the Americans.
              Stories about the interception of Ukrainian UAVs in the Donbas - they remade commercial and home-made UAVs into reconnaissance ones. They do not have channel encryption, there is no software to return to the base when the control signal is lost, there are no inertia players, there is only GPS. These are not military UAVs, but they can be riveted almost free of charge by any student from battens and polystyrene. If only there were an electric motor and a battery.
              1. +9
                24 November 2019 20: 59
                You can decrypt its signals with ONE SINGLE microcircuit making up a pair of it. One chip is on the drone, the second on the control panel.

                Is this what you explain for completely stupid people, or do you imagine it yourself? laughing From your words it follows that it’s enough to lose, it’s better not to drop the remote control and UAVs worth millions of bucks can be thrown away. wassat
                For anyone, I can surprise you - there are no unique pairs of microchips, everything works the same as in your phone when connecting a mobile bank to a bank server, for example. The most ordinary memory, the keys are stored in it, the most ordinary or specialized processors (it doesn’t matter) that implement encoding / decoding with these keys. What is commonly called cipher processors, they are just specialized mikruhs that implement one or another algorithm; within the algorithm, they are all the same.
                1. -13
                  24 November 2019 21: 44
                  This is who you need to be in order to lose the control panel (which, by the way, is mounted, as a rule, inside a mobile platform, for example, inside an infantry fighting vehicle).
                  The chip itself is an easily replaceable element. While the UAV is flying, one chip in the control panel, the second in the UAV. When the UAV is in the hangar, it does not matter where this pair of chips is.
                  1. +11
                    24 November 2019 22: 10
                    There are no pairs of chips. There are keys, software, stored in RAM, or in ROM. There are encryption algorithms, there are specialized microcircuits that perform special functions, and, figuratively speaking, the same microcircuit is on all drones.
                    1. -6
                      24 November 2019 23: 18
                      RAM also happens.
                      Such chips are usually used to encrypt files stored in the archive or sent over the Internet. In principle, even a microcircuit is not needed here, a software encoder (such as ZIP or RAR) is enough, but it is considered more reliable with a microcircuit.

                      But in military UAVs, a removable encryption chip with ROM is used. She was reflashed once, and this can no longer be done. Moreover, the manufacturer itself does not know with which code it was reflashed. The duplicate is flashed with the same code. And so it turns out a pair of encryption chips that are suitable only for each other.
                      One person can set the code for the firmware (but in this case, theoretically, he can then inform his enemies), or maybe a special memory firmware generator. Two microcircuits are shoved into it, launched, and he randomly selects a random number for the firmware. The user of the code does not know. And so it turns out one single pair of chips.
                      1. +1
                        25 November 2019 10: 21
                        Quote: Shurik70

                        ...
                        Such microcircuits are usually used to encrypt files stored in the archive or sent over the Internet ...

                        [with a breath of admiration] Oh, this is probably done on special computers? ..
                      2. +3
                        25 November 2019 11: 26
                        but with a chip is considered more reliable.

                        Who is considered? In what sense is more reliable? In terms of cryptographic strength? Why?
                        The duplicate is flashed with the same code.

                        Same? Are you talking about private key encryption? It has not been used for twenty years. And in the control channels of the UAV has never been used. YES EVEN IN CARS SIGNALS ceased to be used.

                        Comrade, do not write about what you do not understand. And even more so do not argue with people who have learned this.
                      3. +4
                        25 November 2019 13: 16
                        And so it turns out one single pair of chips.

                        In general, of course, your fantasies are funny. Just think how to use this approach to transfer UAVs along the chain of operators. And how to manage multiple UAVs from one control center.
                        So I can imagine how a pneumatic post was laid through mountains and seas, through which mikruhi are carried from one UAV control center to another, and in the main control center, rows of remotes with tags hang on cords (so as not to drop). laughing

                        And if you seriously Google "symmetric public key encryption protocols"
                    2. 0
                      25 November 2019 09: 16
                      Quote: Bratkov Oleg
                      There are no pairs of chips. There are keys, software, stored in RAM, or in ROM. There are encryption algorithms, there are specialized microcircuits that perform special functions, and, figuratively speaking, the same microcircuit is on all drones.

                      Hi Oleg, for sure - pure chip tuning ... drinks wink
                  2. +3
                    25 November 2019 01: 52
                    Please, no more thinking about what you are completely unaware of.
                  3. 0
                    25 November 2019 12: 32
                    Quote: Shurik70
                    The chip itself is an easily replaceable element. While the UAV is flying, one chip in the control panel, the second in the UAV. When the UAV is in the hangar, it does not matter where this pair of chips is.

                    This was done about 50 years ago. Now everything is software, plus the keys are dynamically changing.
                2. +3
                  25 November 2019 06: 07
                  bk316 (Vladimir)
                  You are absolutely right! There is only a pseudo-repeating sequence (cipher-gamma) superimposed on useful information. It is possible to implement it on any microcircuit, having a key. There are no unique pairs of chips to implement such a process! There is only a unique code - an offset segment for synchronization of transceiver devices, embedded in the key ...
                  1. 0
                    25 November 2019 11: 45
                    And yet mikruhi differ in logical and OSes
                    1. 0
                      25 November 2019 13: 14
                      It was about digital systems, respectively "logic". Operating systems are also present in this circuitry, mostly amplifiers ...
                      1. 0
                        26 November 2019 07: 09
                        That's right, and more optocouplers
              2. 0
                25 November 2019 17: 17
                Quote: Shurik70
                All stories about intercepting battle drones are nothing more than a GPS signal spoofing.

                Thanks for the educational program, colleague! good drinks
          2. 0
            24 November 2019 22: 28
            What about takeover?
          3. +2
            24 November 2019 22: 37
            in case of doubt in GPS signals or loss of connection with the base, military drones return to the base in autonomous mode precisely by the inertia


            What do you think why GPS is put on board if it is EXACTLY possible to fly by ANN?
          4. 0
            25 November 2019 12: 25
            In any case, there are military operations. Drones enter the airspace of a sovereign state and are rightfully destroyed. But launch and control points remain unpunished. There are no replies yet, with the same drones.
          5. +2
            26 November 2019 03: 08
            Quote: Shurik70
            Americans said

            they say a lot of things ... and they lie very often !!! wassat wink wink laughing laughing laughing
      2. +36
        24 November 2019 13: 09
        I agree, 60 million $ landed during the day! What is not advertising! There and the road to them negative nothing to fly over a sovereign country!
        1. +12
          24 November 2019 13: 15
          Lesch hi and there are constantly flying Israeli planes. waiting for continuation?
          1. +17
            24 November 2019 13: 19
            Novel hi and over Libya, then what have they forgotten? belay
            1. +9
              24 November 2019 13: 29
              and I confused Libya with Lebanon .. it happens, on Sunday something .. crying
              1. +17
                24 November 2019 13: 32
                Quote: novel xnumx
                and I confused Libya with Lebanon .. it happens, on Sunday something .. crying

                This is not scary! wink The main thing that you know for sure - the Beroru Sea does not exist in nature! drinks
                1. +6
                  24 November 2019 13: 33
                  it is yes! the sixth fleet is not afraid of them !! drinks
                  1. +2
                    24 November 2019 14: 15
                    it is yes! the sixth fleet is not afraid of them !! drinks


                    Negotiations are ongoing between Ukraine and Belarus and Poland on how to make a shipping route from the Baltic to the Black Sea.

                    At such a pace, the 6 fleet can reach both Belarus and the Black Sea.

                    It's really a lot to dig, but there seems to be experience there, they will do it.

                    In general, we do not have to relax))).
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                    2. +2
                      24 November 2019 14: 46
                      Why bother? There is already such a path - Through Moscow - the port of five seas))))
                    3. +1
                      24 November 2019 16: 29
                      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                      It's really a lot to dig, but there seems to be experience there, they will do it.

                      Once the sea was dug, the path was also dug, if only there were enough shovels!
                    4. 0
                      24 November 2019 21: 37
                      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                      how to make a shipping route from the Baltic to the Black Sea.

                      Firstly, one way already exists - Volgo-Don + Volgo-Balt. But far along it, about 4000 km from Kerch to St. Petersburg, 35 locks.

                      There is also the Dnieper-Bug system, built at the end of the 19th century, still passing along the Pripyat River, the channel to the Bug, then to the Vistula. But there are extremely small dimensions of the track and the lock in Brest was destroyed. In theory, it is possible to deepen and expand under the size of a standard European "river", they are small there.

                      In Soviet times, there was a project of the Black Sea-Baltic Route along the Dnieper, Pripyat, a canal a hundred kilometers long to the Neman, and 6 locks on the Neman. Good dimensions were already planned there, and the path was shorter than all. Now this is no longer cranked up, the Balts will not agree, and so many pennies can not be found.

                      So there’s no need to compose anything new with waterways. Everything has long been invented by more intelligent people.
                2. +8
                  24 November 2019 13: 58
                  Quote: Hunter 2
                  Beroru Sea in nature does not exist!

                  So this is me cho: in vain from the shore with binoculars watching how mattresses rush around? crying
                  The United States and NATO lost two reconnaissance drones in the Tripoli region - the MQ-9 Reaper and the MQ-9A Predator-B. At the same time, it is argued that both drones were shot down by the Russian Pantsir-S1E air defense missile system.

                  Where there are even pens - there are results. soldier
                  1. +6
                    24 November 2019 14: 33
                    Greetings Paul! hi Absolutely true! Yes Where does this qualification come from? request wink
                    1. +14
                      24 November 2019 14: 44
                      Quote: Hunter 2
                      Where does this qualification come from?

                      From where from? Have you forgotten the Vietnamese pilot Lee Si Tzin? And the training is alive! Yes wink soldier
                3. +1
                  24 November 2019 14: 07
                  Since when? And I’m going to relax there in the summer wassat
                4. +3
                  24 November 2019 17: 44
                  The Belarusian Sea does not exist in nature!
                  So, Belarusian mussels and oysters are a hoax? And I bought a jar ... crying
                5. +2
                  24 November 2019 19: 15
                  Quote: Hunter 2
                  Beroru Sea in nature does not exist!

                  There is no Belorussian, but the Minsk Sea is wink
                6. 0
                  25 November 2019 13: 22
                  Who said? THERE IS! wink
          2. +2
            24 November 2019 18: 21
            Who just does not fly over Libya. Except for the Libyans.
            1. +3
              24 November 2019 18: 44
              Gaddafi is good or bad, but was the Master in the country, and now there: FIG understand who to whom and by whom
              1. -1
                24 November 2019 18: 46
                Rather, everyone and everything is an enemy / competitor
        2. +9
          24 November 2019 14: 40
          Quote: Hunter 2
          I agree, 60 million $ landed during the day! What is not advertising! There and the road to them negative nothing to fly over a sovereign country!

          I would have thrust the praised F-35 into the ground, this would be an advertisement for our Shell. Although justice must be said that the ESR of a drone is lower than that of any fighter.
        3. 0
          24 November 2019 17: 57
          Quote: Hunter 2
          60 million $ landed during the day!

          Even you bent ..... wink About 30 million is a tactical unit consisting of several UAVs and the entire ground-based flight support complex.
          1. +4
            24 November 2019 18: 33
            Quote: Den717

            Even you bent ..... wink About 30 million is a tactical unit consisting of several UAVs and the entire ground-based flight support complex.

            I found such a figure, I can’t pretend to be absolutely accurate. But in your opinion, how much are these two UAVs?
            1. 0
              24 November 2019 18: 57
              Quote: Hunter 2
              But in your opinion, how much are these two UAVs?

              I do not have accounting documents, and therefore I use what is on the Internet. About the "unit" from there. How much can they cost? I think in the range of 10-20, depending on the configuration. But without guarantees of reliability. In 2011, there was such infa: ".... The US Air Force ordered almost fifty unmanned aerial vehicles MQ-9 Reaper (Reaper) this year at $ 6.2 million each. The price will double in the installation of sensors, control systems fire and communications ... "
              There is this: "The Predator tactical unit consists of four UAVs, a ground control station, a satellite communications terminal and 55 personnel. The Predator is designed to perform over-the-horizon, long-range, high-altitude operations, including reconnaissance, surveillance and targeted missile strikes. Can be used together with search mini-UAVs, which allows you to carry out reconnaissance without reducing and the danger of getting under fire ... "
              T.O. for each 4 device there is a full range of ground equipment, which of course will affect the cost of an individual aircraft, calculated from the amount of the contract and the mentioned number of devices. Something like this...
              1. +4
                24 November 2019 19: 17
                I don’t know how much you can trust VIKE, but according to it, the last contract for Italy is 2009, two Reapers - 63 $ million + the cost of service.
                Yes, in general, the exact figure is not so important, it is in any case incomparable with the cost of the rocket for the Carapace ... and the Carapace itself - it’s not even so close!
      3. +2
        24 November 2019 14: 46
        and who separated the United States from NATO? when?
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    3. +5
      24 November 2019 13: 22
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Great news! Shell works! good

      The UAE seems to have delivered it to Libya.
      An Italian-made U.S. MQ-9 Reaper crashed under Tripoli. Initially, the LNA reported that a Turkish drone was shot down, but when they found the wreckage of a downed car, the marking indicated Italy.


      According to some data, the UAV fell for technical reasons.
      According to other sources, the car was hit by the Pantsir C1 complex, which appeared relatively recently at Haftar.

      https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/5440174.html
    4. -12
      24 November 2019 13: 37
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Great news! Shell works! good

      Where did the shell come from?
      1. +15
        24 November 2019 13: 55
        Quote: curvature of the earth
        [
        Where did the shell come from?

        You read the article at last! Yes UAE - support the Haftar Army by supplying weapons (the shell was previously owned by the UAE) with money and provides political support!
      2. +7
        24 November 2019 14: 19
        Where did the shell come from? Said, how did you end up here? Fired hi.
      3. +1
        24 November 2019 22: 15
        Quote: curvature of the earth
        Where did the shell come from?

        Americans and Italians are also puzzled by this issue ...
    5. +6
      24 November 2019 13: 40
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Great news! Shell works! good

      ========
      "Autobase" + "Shell" = GREAT POWER !!!! soldier
    6. 0
      24 November 2019 15: 27
      More often they would even be shot down, even intercepted with a landing! We need to wean the insolents to fly where they do not belong!
    7. +1
      24 November 2019 15: 57
      Well, yes, against turtles. And, in addition, shot down or not shot down. That's the question.
    8. 0
      24 November 2019 18: 08
      I agree with you.
      The goals are quite worthy, especially if the "autobase" worked, so in general ...
  2. +5
    24 November 2019 12: 56
    If not a fake, then now the western howl will begin, led by mattresses, and behind the shell there will be a queue, as for C-400 laughing And this is good!
    1. +11
      24 November 2019 13: 00
      So again, it’s not the ones who brought down the blame recourse
      1. +6
        24 November 2019 13: 32
        Quote: Evil543
        So again, it’s not the ones who brought down the blame recourse

        Russia put in the "most democratic" country good Muslim world - to the Emirates! What are your complaints? stop Let us then blame Russia for producing such equipment. request
        1. +1
          24 November 2019 14: 14
          By the way, it is in the Emirates that the descendants of the Prophet Muhammad live, and not in Saudi Arabia, where Mecca and Medina are located.
          1. 0
            24 November 2019 22: 24
            So their kind of all of that, then descendants.
        2. -1
          24 November 2019 18: 24
          So already. The truth is not for the shell, but for Iskander.
      2. +7
        24 November 2019 13: 59
        The one to blame is who without demand crawls into a foreign country, it does not matter, by air or by land.
        And those who shot down - well done!
    2. +1
      24 November 2019 13: 04
      now the western howl will begin, led by mattresses

      What topic is howling? What is it dishonest? laughing Like we "flew a kite" and then bang, and if you please shave?
      Didn’t they know that there was a war in Libya? So let them howl - this is the voice of one crying in the wilderness.
      1. +1
        24 November 2019 13: 07
        You are so small wink drinks They only need a pretext, even the most absurd, without docks to howl about the evil Russians and their nightmarish weapons lol
      2. +10
        24 November 2019 13: 45
        Quote: Honest Citizen
        What topic is howling? What is it dishonest?

        What is there to be surprised if they howl even about the movement of Russian military equipment across Russia ...
    3. +3
      24 November 2019 13: 05
      Quote: kot423
      and behind the shell lining up, as for C-400

      "In line, with ... us children, in line!" (Mikhail Bulgakov, movie "Heart of a Dog", I don't remember if these lines are in the novel).
      1. +1
        24 November 2019 18: 49
        In the novel, I don’t remember something like that. True, I have long read
        1. +1
          24 November 2019 22: 40
          Quote: vladcub
          In the novel, I don’t remember something like that. True, I have long read

          Specially opened the book, looked - is, chapter V "From the diary of Dr. Bormental" hi
          PS I have a two-volume edition of 1989, Kiev, Dnipro Publishing House
      2. 0
        25 November 2019 12: 35
        Quote: iConst
        "In line, with ... us children, in line!" (Mikhail Bulgakov, movie "Heart of a Dog", I don't remember if these lines are in the novel).

        "January 10. Dressing happened ..... He refused the pants, expressing his protest with hoarse cries:" In line, with ****** us children, in line! "He was dressed." (C) Diary of Bormental's observation of the creature ... "Heart of a Dog" M. Bulgakov smile
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    6. +1
      24 November 2019 14: 28
      Rather, now the hunt will begin on this shell with all the forces of NATO, such a spit came out)))
      1. 0
        24 November 2019 22: 18
        Quote: loki565
        Rather, now the hunt will begin on this shell with all the forces of NATO, such a spit came out)))

        The most annoying thing for NATO is that they will be handed an inflatable mock-up, and they will receive medals for it.
        And only after a few years will the whole comic of this situation come up ...
    7. +6
      24 November 2019 15: 47
      If shot down - well,
      but, in fairness, a target like a Riper-type drone is a sweet bun for any air defense system with suitable height reach characteristics.
      UAVs are very different. Small-sized rocket-like "kamikaze" is one thing. Or stealth jet X-47, -49, "Hunter", Neuron, Taranis.
      Another thing - hefty, almost the size of a fighter, but with a cruising speed of 250-300 km / h "Reapers".
      Due to their aerodynamic design, extra-large elongation wings, which allow saving fuel and hanging at high altitudes, up to 15 km, they are extremely dynamic, unmaneuverable and poorly controlled compared to conventional combat aircraft.
      Minimum margin of safety, as there are no people on board and maximum weight efficiency is needed - to take more fuel and weapons.
      The minimum reserve of aerodynamic, combat, structural stability - any more or less strong wind, thundercloud, slight icing, a small defeat of the planes and governing bodies can lead to the loss of UAVs.
      Plus unimportant overview and situational awareness for the pilot-operator.
      In the book "The Revelations of a Combat Drone Operator" by American McKerley, the author describes all this on the example of several years of flights in the Middle East. Not on the Riper, but on its predecessor, the Predator.
      Such expensive high-altitude UAVs - only for reconnaissance and limited strikes in the absence of air defense systems, for counterguerrilla operations or flights in peacetime.
      Here it is more likely to talk about the stupidity or stupid arrogance of the commanders and operators of these "Reapers", who sent drones to the rather densely seeded area of ​​Tripoli air defense systems.
      1. +2
        24 November 2019 18: 02
        I agree. McKerley read the book too. Or maybe this is not stupidity or arrogance, but "reconnaissance in force" in order to study the capabilities and level of training of personnel ??
      2. 0
        24 November 2019 18: 18
        Maybe he should buy a booth with hot dogs?
        Ketchup is probably easier to pour than such an x. Renovina to manage? ....
        Well of course ... exceptional ...
        I wonder how many lyuli he grabbed?
    8. 0
      24 November 2019 15: 59
      Maybe a request will come from Zimbabwe. Or Somalia
    9. 0
      24 November 2019 18: 10
      Oh yes leave ...
      The dog barks .... The caravan is coming ...
  3. +8
    24 November 2019 12: 59
    What's the difference, "Armor" or "Autobaza"? The main thing is that it works, and ... Not even in the hands of our soldiers. Export option. wassat
    1. +6
      24 November 2019 13: 02
      Well, you just can't track your hands. wink Maybe not ours, but maybe ... the ways of the Lord are not confessed. laughing
      1. 0
        24 November 2019 18: 07
        Yes, judging by the information, it looks more like ours. Well, or from civilian employees, for example.
    2. +1
      24 November 2019 13: 09
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      What's the difference,

      Dissitino, the Americans in Libya have not yet decided - all who butt there are "democratic" forces. laughing
    3. -15
      24 November 2019 13: 42
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      What's the difference, "Armor" or "Autobaza"? The main thing is that it works, and ... Not even in the hands of our soldiers. Export option. wassat

      It is not even known what kind of American drone was lost, not to mention the Shell and Carpool drawn from the ears.
      But the main thing is that something works, cheers!
      1. +6
        24 November 2019 13: 52
        Quote: Earth Curvature
        It is not even known what kind of American drone was lost
        Have you tried to read the article?
        The loss of drones is confirmed by the Western edition "The Aviationist", which on this fact reported that in one day the United States and NATO lost two reconnaissance drones in the Tripoli region - MQ-9 Reaper and MQ-9A Predator-B.
        1. -7
          24 November 2019 14: 12
          Quote: Dart2027
          Quote: Earth Curvature
          It is not even known what kind of American drone was lost
          Have you tried to read the article?
          The loss of drones is confirmed by the Western edition "The Aviationist", which on this fact reported that in one day the United States and NATO lost two reconnaissance drones in the Tripoli region - MQ-9 Reaper and MQ-9A Predator-B.

          Well, unlike you, I not only read an article by an unnamed author on VO, but also an article in "The Aviationist". I will tell you a secret (only to anyone) that about the American drone it says: "The aircraft, whose type was not unveiled", and the Shell is mentioned there exactly 0 times.
          Can you imagine? feel
          1. +7
            24 November 2019 14: 31
            Quote: Earth Curvature
            what about the American drone it says: "The aircraft, whose type was not unveiled"
            Online article translation
            It is known that two types of American drones regularly fly over Libya: RQ-4 Global Hawks, based at Sigonella Air Base, Italy (as part of the 7th Reconnaissance Squadron), and MQ-9 Reapers, based as in Sigonella (as part of 324- of the expeditionary air reconnaissance squadron) at the Nigerian 201 airbase, also known as the Agadez airbase, in Niger, as well as in Larissa, Greece, where several American MQ-9 were based (probably until August 2019 of the year, although their temporary deployment there probably has been extended).
            In the future, it also talks about the MQ-9. This is also a secret.
            As for the Shell, they wrote about it after the first downed UAV (that is, 21) https://warsonline.info/novosti/novosti/liviia/libya201119-1.html
            1. -10
              24 November 2019 14: 53
              Quote: Dart2027
              Online article translation

              Well, they have two types of drones there. From which it follows that they shot down the Reaper, I still do not understand?
              Quote: Dart2027
              In the future, it also talks about the MQ-9. This is also a secret.

              What is said? winked
              Quote: Dart2027
              As for the Shell, they wrote about it after the first downed UAV (that is, 21) https://warsonline.info/novosti/novosti/liviia/libya201119-1.html

              1. Well, where is the link to the LNA?
              2. And where on the "shot down" UAV you will not show the holes from the missile striking elements?
              1. +5
                24 November 2019 15: 59
                Quote: Earth Curvature
                What is said?
                From there
                However, while breaking the link between unmanned aerial vehicles and their remote control stations can be an easy task for the small drones category, jamming signals used for remote piloting MQ-9 Reaper (which are routed through satellite data channels when BLOS is the Beyond Line of Sight) can be extremely complex.
                For some reason they write about him, how did you read the article?
                Quote: Earth Curvature
                Well, where is the link to the LNA
                In the article?
                Quote: Earth Curvature
                And where on the "shot down" UAV holes

                In fact, it shows some parts, not all the debris.
        2. +1
          24 November 2019 18: 36
          laughing "Chukchi is not a reader, Chukchi is a writer" (c) The podpanki fussed about, offended for the pan.
  4. -7
    24 November 2019 13: 02
    It has been suggested that the 1L222 Avtobaza system of executive radio intelligence reconnaissance is the most likely means to combat drones.

    As if the site suggests the presence of literate people, both among the authors of posts and among readers. How, then, to explain the appearance of articles that seriously claim that the PASSIVE RTR complex is capable of fighting UAVs?
    1. +16
      24 November 2019 13: 16
      Quote: Earth Curvature
      PASSIVE RTR capable of fighting UAVs?

      Any air defense is primarily a system, and not separately taken air defense systems. They are therefore made mobile because, before the target enters the zone of guaranteed destruction of the air defense systems, they are in disguised positions in disguised positions. Judging by the assumption, until the very last moment, the UAV was not able to obtain information about any electronic exposure. Consequently, target designation came from passive location means, and the guidance went through the optical channel. Hence the lack of understanding of the US and NATO commands of the reasons for the loss of two devices.
      1. +2
        24 November 2019 19: 04
        "until the very last moment, the UAVs were unable to obtain information about any kind of electronic radiation" which by itself implies the presence of a competent operator ..
        Without trained specialists. ANY WEAPON-METAL SCREW
    2. +7
      24 November 2019 13: 44
      Quote: Earth Curvature
      after all, seriously claiming that the complex PASSIVE RTR is capable of fighting UAVs?

      Maybe it should.
      Observe and transmit information to REP and air defense systems
      1. -7
        24 November 2019 13: 48
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: Earth Curvature
        after all, seriously claiming that the complex PASSIVE RTR is capable of fighting UAVs?

        Maybe it should.
        Observe and transmit information to REP and air defense systems

        I got what you mean
        There is an assumption that both drones were forced to land using Russian electronic warfare equipment, which Moscow supplies its ally in Libya, Khalifa Haftar.

        It has been suggested that the 1L222 Avtobaza system of executive radio intelligence reconnaissance is the most likely means to combat drones.
        1. +5
          24 November 2019 13: 53
          What are we talking about. For example, some RTR complex determined the frequencies used by the drone and transmitted them to the RTR complex. He began to jam. A helicopter flew into the area and shot down an autonomous UAV flying
          Is it possible to say that the RTR complex was involved in the fight against UAVs? Yes.
          1. -7
            24 November 2019 14: 15
            Quote: Spade
            some RTR complex determined the frequencies used by the drone and transmitted them to the RTR complex. He began to jam. A helicopter flew into the area and shot down an autonomous UAV flying
            Is it possible to say that the RTR complex was involved in the fight against UAVs? Yes.

            Do you feel bad reading comprehension?
            both drones were forced with the help of Russian electronic warfare
            1. +1
              24 November 2019 14: 33
              Quote: Earth Curvature
              Do you feel bad reading comprehension?
              both drones were forced to land using Russian EW

              Rather, you.
              For the quote completely looks like this:
              There is an assumption that both drones were forced to land using Russian electronic warfare equipment, which Moscow supplies its ally in Libya, Khalifa Haftar.

              Poke your finger, where in this quote is mentioned
              Quote: Earth Curvature
              PASSIVE RTR complex
              1. -7
                24 November 2019 14: 56
                Quote: Spade
                For the quote completely looks like this:
                There is an assumption that both drones were forced to land using Russian electronic warfare equipment, which Moscow supplies its ally in Libya, Khalifa Haftar.

                Poke your finger, where in this quote is mentioned
                Quote: Earth Curvature
                PASSIVE RTR complex

                Immediately, CEP.
                It has been suggested that the 1L222 Avtobaza system of executive radio intelligence reconnaissance is the most likely means to combat drones.
  5. 0
    24 November 2019 13: 08
    Got burned for 20 green lamas, I wonder how much the rocket for the Pantsir-S1E air defense missile system costs ?! bully
    1. +5
      24 November 2019 13: 17
      Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
      I wonder how much the missile for the Pantsir-S1E air defense missile system costs ?!

      Obviously, ten times cheaper. Yes, the whole "Shell" does not cost so much tongue
    2. +2
      24 November 2019 16: 04
      Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
      Got burned for 20 green lamas, I wonder how much the rocket for the Pantsir-S1E air defense missile system costs ?! bully

      And if from the guns, without the use of rockets, they failed ...
    3. +1
      24 November 2019 19: 22
      Question on 5 points. I prefer the 5 scoring system in the old fashioned way. In 100 or in 7 point system, I see ape
  6. +5
    24 November 2019 13: 13
    What is the difference-shot down, planted. The main thing is the correctness of the ideology of the layered missile defense / air defense system.
    1. +4
      24 November 2019 14: 01
      hi There is a difference. The fact that the Shell is good, he has already proved in Syria. And, very importantly, it is developing further.

      But the fact that the highly protected MQ9 UAV monitoring and control systems can be opened with electronic warfare systems is changing a lot. To fill up such combat robots without a single shot is also an economic effect! wink
      1. +2
        24 November 2019 16: 16
        Especially since the Americans admitted that we are the best in rab, and they are far behind us
  7. +1
    24 November 2019 13: 23
    Something they flew low
  8. 0
    24 November 2019 13: 31
    Quote: Hunter 2
    Great news! Shell works! good

    Or Avtobaza. It is necessary to read and comprehend not only the title but also the content hi
    1. +4
      24 November 2019 13: 41
      Yah? Well, Duck read and comprehend! laughing On the Shell - Affirmation! By Carpool - Guess! Do you feel the difference? what
      1. -1
        24 November 2019 16: 25
        The fact is that two drones are lost. And everything else is speculation.
        It's like ... for example, the Boeing that is shot down over the Donbas. The fact is that it is brought down. And who and what is the secret shrouded in darkness, despite the fact that the warring parties at 100% are sure that others destroyed it and have all the evidence for this.
        1. +2
          24 November 2019 18: 28
          Quote: Svetlana
          And who and what is the secret shrouded in darkness, despite the fact that the warring parties at 100% are sure that others destroyed it and have all the evidence for this.

          Well, and what evidence did the APU provide?
          1. -2
            24 November 2019 18: 46
            Bear with it a little bit, soon you will be laid out every second who, where and when launched the rocket on the Boeing.
            1. 0
              25 November 2019 20: 10
              Quote: Nashorn
              soon you will be laid out in seconds, who, where and when launched the rocket on the Boeing

              A little how many years?
  9. -11
    24 November 2019 13: 36
    Well, this means that in a couple of weeks another delegation from the Pentagon will land in Ben-Gurion to study the Israeli experience of combating anti-aircraft missile systems, and new vacancies will open at the Raphael plant in Haifa to fulfill an urgent order for drones.
    1. +5
      24 November 2019 13: 46
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      experience in combating anti-aircraft missile defense systems

      Stupidly try to crush the mass. To shoot the entire BC. Then hit the complex and scream with delight for several years.

      I don’t think it’s suitable for the Americans. laughing laughing laughing They have been able to do this since Vietnam.

      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Haifa will open new vacancies to carry out an urgent order for drones.

      Haifa is now in California?
      1. -18
        24 November 2019 13: 52
        I advise you to re-watch the video of the destruction of the two "Shells" in Syria.
        And Haifa is still there - in Israel. And there they produce a bunch of things for sale in different countries. Even to Italy
        1. +11
          24 November 2019 13: 56
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          I advise you to re-watch the video of the destruction of the two "Shells" in Syria.

          To make sure that they are empty again?

          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          And Haifa is still there - in Israel.

          So break off. With vacancies and more. Because lost UAVs are made in California,
          1. -9
            24 November 2019 13: 59
            I advise you to reconsider (dear Professor, by the way, put it out) to see that one of the "Shells" is fired off by rockets. And it smears.
            1. +10
              24 November 2019 14: 02
              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              shoots back with missiles. And smears.

              Does the Israeli agitprop not welcome the option "shot at other targets"?
              As usual, "They fired at our territory, but missed and hit our terrorist friends from ISIS?"

              Once again, only the empty ones were able to hit the "Shells".
              That is, this is not suitable for the Americans. Rather, they have been able to do this for a very long time.
              1. -13
                24 November 2019 14: 09
                Yes Yes. For other purposes, a rocket flies into the forehead.
                1. +6
                  24 November 2019 14: 14
                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  Yes Yes. For other purposes, a rocket flies into the forehead.

                  Rather, there were many such missiles. Shot down the next one.

                  Such, if I may say "strategy", players in computer games call "Rush" It can be applied only in the case of a heroic kick by a crowd of a lying weakling in a gateway. For in a normal war, there is simply not enough money.
                  1. -11
                    24 November 2019 14: 18
                    Was it more likely, or was it really a lot? In any case, none of these "many missiles" can be seen in front of the camera, that is, the flying missile was in front. And missiles bypass it. Why would you?
                    1. +8
                      24 November 2019 14: 23
                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      Rather it was a lot, or it was definitely a lot?

                      Given the fact that empty installations were amazed, there were many goals

                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      none of these "many rockets" can be seen in front of the camera

                      laughing laughing laughing
                      Did you manage to "miss" the explosion of the previous missile?
                      1. -6
                        24 November 2019 14: 34
                        I noticed that two rockets flew past the camera,
                      2. +4
                        24 November 2019 14: 35
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        I noticed that two rockets flew past the camera,

                        And far past the camera.
                        "Rush" in its purest form
                    2. -1
                      24 November 2019 14: 37
                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      not visible in front of the camera, i.e. a flying rocket was ahead

                      Option on the side is not considered?
                    3. 0
                      24 November 2019 15: 45
                      with the fact that the flying was already in the dead zone.
            2. +11
              24 November 2019 14: 39
              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              I advise you to reconsider (dear Professor, by the way, put it out) to see that one of the "Shells" is fired off by rockets. And it smears.

              Uneducated sofa Jewish strategist, I'm not tired of lying and writing nonsense about "Pantsir-C1". Second Shell Shelling Missiles was not - a fake of the Jews. "Anti-aircraft missiles" in fake cannot have such waking maneuverability. With your "professor" of sour cabbage soup, teach materiel, including with the soldiers of the invisible front!
              1. -8
                24 November 2019 15: 00
                Two "Carapace". One fires back, the other doesn't. Everything is in the video
                1. +2
                  24 November 2019 15: 46
                  Dear readers of the Military Review! Before you are Jewish couch strategists with curls openly writing outright lies and presenting their Fake about the defeat of "Pantsir-C1". And so that you believe in it, they repeatedly replicate their lies themselves or with the help of "narrow-minded" or Russophobes, trying to draw your attention to lies! Anti-aircraft missiles "Pantsir-S1" or other, cannot have such agility physically. They try to breed you like suckers!

                  And the ending is good evidence of your lies.
                  1. +2
                    24 November 2019 17: 10
                    Deliberate lie. The Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile cannot turn 180 degrees on the spot without losing speed, but in Fake the opposite is true, and the operation of the shunting gas-dynamic jet engines is also not visible. Watch carefully the launch of the Tor-m2 missiles when its missiles are deployed 90 degrees, losing their initial speed. In Israeli Fake, only a super-maneuverable fighter can fly like this, not rocketsincluding anti-aircraft. There is a lie of the Jews!
            3. +5
              24 November 2019 16: 17
              The professor is a local clown. His posts are not worth attention
              1. -8
                24 November 2019 16: 28
                Quote: aiden
                The professor is a local clown. His posts are not worth attention

                Professor is one of the most educated Persians on this site.
                1. +9
                  24 November 2019 16: 29
                  The most educated and adequate is Warrior Wow. And this is a clown and a troll
                  1. +2
                    25 November 2019 04: 59
                    The warriors have their own fad - Fu35, the rest - I agree.
                    1. +5
                      25 November 2019 18: 09
                      He at least says everything with reason, and gives technical information that is not in doubt.
        2. +1
          24 November 2019 17: 50
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          I advise you to re-watch the video of the destruction of the two "Shells" in Syria.

          What is there to review ?? 10 aircraft, a cloud of drones, a wave of missiles and gliding bombs. And all this for one complex !!!
          So much ammunition flew into it, there the air defense division could be buried .....
    2. -20
      24 November 2019 13: 47
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Well, this means that in a couple of weeks another delegation from the Pentagon will land in Ben-Gurion to study the Israeli experience of combating anti-aircraft missile systems, and new vacancies will open at the Raphael plant in Haifa to fulfill an urgent order for drones.

      1. The delegation will be. There is something to learn.


      2. Next time, unarmed drones will not be thrown into Libyan air defense.
      3. Raphael does not specialize in drones. In any case, before buying Averonotiks.
      1. -8
        24 November 2019 13: 56
        Well, that means in Ashdod at the Elta plant.
        1. +10
          24 November 2019 14: 45
          Yes, Jews, keep your intelligence fake. Anti-aircraft missiles "Pantsir-S1" or any other anti-aircraft missile system, cannot have such maneuverability There is a lie and slander of the "offended by God."
          1. -7
            24 November 2019 15: 03
            Yeah. All fakes. And the bombings in Damascus were shot in Kfar Saba, and the photos of the detonated air defense systems in Photoshop were taken ...
        2. +1
          24 November 2019 14: 47
          And where else are the plants in Israel and which ones? And what do they produce?
          1. -5
            24 November 2019 15: 04
            This is public information available on the web.
      2. +6
        24 November 2019 13: 56
        Quote: professor
        Next time, unarmed drones will not be thrown into Libyan air defense.

        MQ-9 Reaper (/ ˈriːpə /, from the English - “reaper, reaper”; a hint of the expression Grim Reaper - “grim reaper”, ie death) - reconnaissance-strike UAV developed by General Atomics Aeronautical Systems (a division General Dynamics Corporation) for use in the United States Air Force, United States Navy and British Air Force.
        Can carry:
        - Up to 4 air-to-ground missiles AGM-114 Hellfire
        - Or 4 Hellfire missiles and two Mark 82 laser-guided bombs (GBU-12)
        - Or Mark 82 GPS Guided Bombs (JDAM)
        1. -13
          24 November 2019 14: 01
          Quote: Dart2027
          Quote: professor
          Next time, unarmed drones will not be thrown into Libyan air defense.

          MQ-9 Reaper (/ ˈriːpə /, from the English - “reaper, reaper”; a hint of the expression Grim Reaper - “grim reaper”, ie death) - reconnaissance-strike UAV developed by General Atomics Aeronautical Systems (a division General Dynamics Corporation) for use in the United States Air Force, United States Navy and British Air Force.
          Can carry:
          - Up to 4 air-to-ground missiles AGM-114 Hellfire
          - Or 4 Hellfire missiles and two Mark 82 laser-guided bombs (GBU-12)
          - Or Mark 82 GPS Guided Bombs (JDAM)

          Well, which of the following is intended for self-defense from the Shell?
          1. +6
            24 November 2019 14: 08
            Quote: professor
            Well, which of the following is intended for self-defense from the Shell?

            Please refer to the fact that ATGM "Helfair" and Mark 82 bombs cannot hit the "Pantsir" type air defense systems
          2. +2
            24 November 2019 14: 35
            Quote: professor
            Designed for self defense from the Shell

            Well, which of the IDF drones in service is intended for defense against the Carapace? Delilah cruise missile? So this is the same air-to-ground missile.
            1. -12
              24 November 2019 15: 00
              Quote: Dart2027
              Quote: professor
              Designed for self defense from the Shell

              Well, which of the IDF drones in service is intended for defense against the Carapace? Delilah cruise missile? So this is the same air-to-ground missile.

              First, Delilah is not only "air-ground"
              https://topwar.ru/9341-vysokotochnaya-krylataya-raketa-delilah.html
              Secondly, we have a large arsenal. For example https://topwar.ru/154495-barrazhirujuschie-boepripasy-semejstva-iai-harpy-izrail.html
              1. +2
                24 November 2019 16: 03
                Quote: professor
                First, Delilah is not only "air-ground"

                Given the fact that we are talking about the defense of UAVs from MANPADS, other modifications are irrelevant, there are.
                Quote: professor
                Secondly, we have a large arsenal
                UAV kamikaze? Yes, there is, but what do they have to do with the "self-defense of the reaper"?
                1. -7
                  24 November 2019 18: 19
                  You and I are a little about different things.
                  1. Delilah is not a UAV weapon.
                  2. Video of the defense from the Shell I posted above.
                  1. +2
                    24 November 2019 18: 30
                    Quote: professor
                    Delilah is not a UAV weapon

                    Well, what kind of weapon UAV self defense you have?
                    Quote: professor
                    Armor Defense Video

                    This is when a bunch of rockets or kamikaze drones were fired at him? And what does the UAV self-defense have to do with it? Self-defense is when he himself hits the target with his weapon.
      3. +1
        24 November 2019 14: 02
        Quote: professor
        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        Well, this means that in a couple of weeks another delegation from the Pentagon will land in Ben-Gurion to study the Israeli experience of combating anti-aircraft missile systems, and new vacancies will open at the Raphael plant in Haifa to fulfill an urgent order for drones.

        1. The delegation will be. There is something to learn.


        2. Next time, unarmed drones will not be thrown into Libyan air defense.
        3. Raphael does not specialize in drones. In any case, before buying Averonotiks.

        Professor break off. Who will give you? Will you go against your government?
        Israel is increasingly being added to the Haftar friends list. Contacts between the Israelis and Haftar began, according to analyst Giorgio Kafiero of the Gulf State Analytics consulting company in Washington, through the UAE as far back as 2015. Haftar’s support promised the Jewish state to strengthen ties with Egypt and the UAE, and later with Saudi Arabia. Finding agreement with Sunni states that shared Israel’s fears about the threats posed by Iran and Hezbollah, as well as Sunni jihadists, was a clear success for Israel.

        Do not forget about the beneficial business for the Israelis associated with the sale of weapons to Haftar soldiers. Another factor is related to the search for allies with considerable mineral resources. Thus, the goals of Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Haftar in many ways, including in terms of the fight against terrorists in the Sinai, coincided.

        Haftar’s first meeting with Mossad’s agents was held in the strictest secrecy in Jordan. It was possible to agree on the sale of sniper rifles and night vision devices for LNA. Later, in agreement with Haftar, the Israelis carried out air raids against the enemies of the LNA. It came to the point that Algeria warned Haftar about the inadmissibility of receiving such assistance from Israel.

        http://www.ng.ru/world/2019-07-22/6_7629_libia.html
        1. -12
          24 November 2019 14: 09
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          Professor break off. Who will give you? Will you go against your government?

          Already in what only they did not accuse us ... On a fig to us to get into the Libyan dismantlings? We have not yet put things in order at our side.
          1. +5
            24 November 2019 14: 17
            Quote: professor
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            Professor break off. Who will give you? Will you go against your government?

            Already in what only they did not accuse us ... On a fig to us to get into the Libyan dismantlings? We have not yet put things in order at our side.

            That's right. You won’t refuse the ability to reverse gear in time. good drinks
            1. -11
              24 November 2019 14: 19
              Quote: Sky Strike fighter
              Quote: professor
              Quote: Sky Strike fighter
              Professor break off. Who will give you? Will you go against your government?

              Already in what only they did not accuse us ... On a fig to us to get into the Libyan dismantlings? We have not yet put things in order at our side.

              That's right. You won’t refuse the ability to reverse gear in time. good drinks

              Not. The ability not to climb into others showdowns.
        2. +1
          24 November 2019 15: 33
          Dear readers of the Military Review! Before you are Jewish couch strategists with curls openly writing outright lies and presenting their Fake about the defeat of "Pantsir-C1". And so that you believe it, they repeatedly replicate their lies themselves or with the help of "narrow-minded" or Russophobes, trying toFocus your attention on lies! Anti-aircraft missiles "Pantsir-S1" or other, cannot have such agility physically. They try to breed you like suckers!
          1. +2
            24 November 2019 17: 21
            Deliberate lie. The Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile cannot turn 180 degrees on the spot without losing speed, but in Fake the opposite is true, and the operation of the shunting gas-dynamic jet engines is also not visible. Watch carefully the launch of the Tor-m2 missiles when its missiles are deployed 90 degrees, losing their initial speed. In the Israeli Fake, only a super-maneuverable fighter can fly this way, not missiles, including anti-aircraft missiles. The Jews are lying!
        3. +1
          25 November 2019 19: 11
          "Go against your government." In Israel, there was a case when the head of the security service with the prime minister was bought, "waving" with the head of government - to urinate against the wind. He and 2 friends, an innocent officer, were accused of betrayal, tried and shot. And for this he served 1 day under arrest !!
      4. +3
        24 November 2019 14: 08
        There is something to learn.


        When learning, awaken, do not forget to remind them of this either -

        1. -11
          24 November 2019 14: 13
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          There is something to learn.


          When learning, awaken, do not forget to remind them of this either -


          Do not forget and draw conclusions. We look at how last week the Syrian air defense was buggy during our attacks.


          By the way, the Syrians missed 4's batteries ...
          1. +11
            24 November 2019 14: 24
            Do not forget and draw conclusions. We look at how last week the Syrian air defense was buggy during our attacks.


            I do not see in your attacks on Syria either valor or honor.

            You are simply trying to finish off Syria torn by the provocation and military intervention of Western countries, and not even on your own initiative, but in the service of the United States.

            IDF - became another PMC for the United States. Your soldiers are essentially mercenaries who do not serve the interests of Israel, but the interests of another country - the United States for the money that you are allocated in exchange for what you do for the United States.

            Your tactics: provocation - strike - provocation - strike.

            3,8 billion a year does not lie on the road, of course I understand your commercialism, it will only cost you a lot of money. Syria will stand, gain strength, strengthen its air defense and air defense of Lebanon.

            Not all of you beat from the corner.

            Then I'll look at how you sing "heroes" in a fight on equal terms.
            1. -18
              24 November 2019 14: 52
              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              I do not see in your attacks on Syria either valor or honor.

              Protection of citizens of their state is valor and honor.

              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              You are simply trying to finish off Syria torn by the provocation and military intervention of Western countries, and not even on your own initiative, but in the service of the United States.

              We put on Syria. She attacked us and got an answer.

              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              IDF - became another PMC for the United States. Your soldiers are essentially mercenaries who do not serve the interests of Israel, but the interests of another country - the United States for the money that you are allocated in exchange for what you do for the United States.

              We have a draft army and our soldiers do not get paid.

              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              Your tactics: provocation - strike - provocation - strike.

              For example?

              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              3,8 billion a year does not lie on the road, of course I understand your commercialism, it will only cost you a lot of money. Syria will stand, gain strength, strengthen its air defense and air defense of Lebanon.

              Before the 2008 crisis, hundreds of billions of dollars were swelled into the Russian economy. AND?
              https://www.facebook.com/sergey.vasiliev.106/posts/10157671485909650

              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              Not all of you beat from the corner.

              Then I'll look at how you sing "heroes" in a fight on equal terms.

              On equal terms, in general, it did not work out. Basically, we had to act against superior enemy forces.
              1. +7
                24 November 2019 15: 26
                Quote: professor
                Protection of citizens of their state is valor and honor.

                You were a citizen of another state.
                Did you protect him? Where is your valor and honor?
                It’s not for you, who sold the Homeland that raised you, nourished you, put you on your feet, gave you a free education to talk about Valor and Honor. negative
                1. -18
                  24 November 2019 15: 28
                  Quote: K-50
                  You were a citizen of another state.
                  Did you protect him? Where is your valor and honor?

                  It was. Defended, but that state has sunk into oblivion. So to speak merged into the sewer of history.

                  Quote: K-50
                  It’s not for you, who sold the Homeland that raised you, nourished you, put you on your feet, gave you a free education to talk about Valor and Honor.

                  My parents raised and fed me. The scoop has sunk into oblivion. He is absent. Tu-tuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ...
                  1. +3
                    24 November 2019 16: 27
                    You have a scoop instead of brains.
                  2. +2
                    24 November 2019 19: 38
                    Professor, I’m not an amateur for any reason to plus or minus, and even more so nationally, but now -. Scoop is MY CHILDHOOD, but for some reason I love my childhood.
                    1. -10
                      24 November 2019 20: 28
                      Quote: vladcub
                      Professor, I’m not an amateur for any reason to plus or minus, and even more so nationally, but now -. Scoop is MY CHILDHOOD, but for some reason I love my childhood.

                      Well? Millions of Germans spent their childhood under Hitler. They also should not say anything bad about Nazi Germany? Do not touch their childhood?

                      Do not confuse childhood with the regime.
                      1. +1
                        25 November 2019 19: 16
                        Tell me, as a child, you were very ill under the Soviet regime?
                      2. -4
                        25 November 2019 20: 20
                        Quote: vladcub
                        Tell me, as a child, you were very ill under the Soviet regime?

                        Not very, but bad. From the first class we were taught to walk in formation. Scoop.
                2. -1
                  24 November 2019 17: 59
                  Israel will also lose its fshat "roof", they will come there to take debts "for all good" by the whole world, these "comrade patriots" will immediately wash off to China.
              2. +1
                24 November 2019 23: 36
                Protection of citizens of their state is valor and honor.


                This is undeniable, but where in the Israeli attacks on Syria, for which you use provocations, the protection of your citizens? You don’t hold us for fools. Syria now least of all needs a conflict with Israel.

                You yourself or with the help of your USA sponsors (and they connect your agents from ISIS and other terrorist organizations in Syria) organize the reasons for the attack on Syria, and then hypocritically speak of protecting your state.

                Hitler also defended his state and the citizens of his country. His methods are also valor and honor?

                So in Israel they are no better now.

                We have a draft army and our soldiers do not get paid.


                Your army is drafted, but direct US subsidies to your military budget is 3,8 billion dollars annually, that is 25% of your military budget, which is very significant. And you certainly appreciate it and are ready for this money to do the dirty work for the United States and in the interests of the United States, using conscripts who do not even pay wages.

                In fact, the IDF is PMCs for the United States.

                Before the 2008 crisis, hundreds of billions of dollars were swelled into the Russian economy. AND?
                https://www.facebook.com/sergey.vasiliev.106/posts/10157671485909650


                This is generally bullshit. No one in Russia, and even more so in its army, didn’t swell anything, yes they pumped it out.

                For the 90s, Russia selling resources and cooperating with the West only turned out to be even more indebted than at the time of the collapse of the USSR, the size of public debt at the end of the 90s was 145% of GDP, with reserves of 14-16 billion dollars in total, and this despite the fact that Russia sold oil, gas, metals, coal, timber and weapons. Until 2008, we only repaid debts. And they began to rearm the army and pay due attention to it only after Georgia dared to attack South Ossetia, having previously shot our peacekeeping battalion from tanks at point-blank range, which was based on a UN decision. At the same time, the collective West began to blame Russia for the fact that we were the first to attack.

                On equal terms, in general, it did not work out. Basically, we had to act against superior enemy forces.


                Yes, there were of course earlier glorious moments in the history of Israel as well as not very glorious ones, for example, when in 1956 Israel with France and Britain decided to take the Suez Canal from Egypt.
                1. -5
                  25 November 2019 09: 37
                  Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                  This is undeniable, but where in the Israeli attacks on Syria, for which you use provocations, the protection of your citizens? You don’t hold us for fools. Syria now least of all needs a conflict with Israel.

                  Syria fired 4 rockets at us (we filed a complaint with the UN) and received an answer. What's not clear?

                  Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                  You yourself or with the help of your USA sponsors (and they connect your agents from ISIS and other terrorist organizations in Syria) organize the reasons for the attack on Syria, and then hypocritically speak of protecting your state.

                  Hitler also defended his state and the citizens of his country. His methods are also valor and honor?

                  So in Israel they are no better now.

                  Where is the doc, that we will organize the reasons for the strike on Syria? Agitation is not interesting to me.

                  Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                  Your army is drafted, but direct US subsidies to your military budget is 3,8 billion dollars annually, that is 25% of your military budget, which is very significant. And you certainly appreciate it and are ready for this money to do the dirty work for the United States and in the interests of the United States, using conscripts who do not even pay wages.

                  3.8 billion is about 1% of our GDP. A trifle. Nevertheless, our soldiers do not receive salaries and to call them mercenaries is to lie or not to understand the topic at all.

                  Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                  This is generally bullshit. No one in Russia, and even more so in its army, didn’t swell anything, yes they pumped it out.

                  Oh well. Try to refute this "nonsense" with numbers. Weak? In Russia, they pumped not some ridiculous 3.8 billion, but hundreds of billions. The fact that there are no results is not our fault.

                  Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                  And they began to rearm the army and pay due attention only after Georgia dared to attack South Ossetia, having previously shot our peacekeeping battalion, which was in this region, from tanks at point-blank range by decision of the UN. At the same time, the collective West began to blame Russia for the fact that we were the first to attack.

                  Give a reference to the UN decision. We laugh together either at the decision or at you. wink

                  Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                  Yes, there were of course earlier glorious moments in the history of Israel as well as not very glorious ones, for example, when in 1956 Israel with France and Britain decided to take the Suez Canal from Egypt.

                  That there France and England tried to take us away does not concern. We drove the fedayuns across the desert so that they would not attack us anymore. It helped for a while. Nevertheless, the topic "On equal terms" is closed.
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            3. +1
              24 November 2019 15: 43
              Dear readers of the Military Review! Here are Jewish couch strategists with curls openly writing outright lies and presenting their Fake about the defeat of "Pantsir-C1". And so that you believe it, they repeatedly replicate their lies themselves or with the help of "narrow-minded" or Russophobes, trying to sharpen your attention to the lie! Anti-aircraft missiles "Pantsir-S1" or other, cannot have such agility physically. They try to breed you like suckers!
              1. +1
                24 November 2019 17: 22
                Deliberate lie. The Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile cannot turn 180 degrees on the spot without losing speed, but in Fake the opposite is true, and the operation of the shunting gas-dynamic jet engines is also not visible. Watch carefully the launch of the Tor-m2 missiles when its missiles are deployed 90 degrees, losing their initial speed. In the Israeli Fake, only a super-maneuverable fighter can fly this way, not missiles, including anti-aircraft missiles. The Jews are lying!
          2. -9
            24 November 2019 14: 42
            Quote: professor
            We look at how last week the Syrian air defense was buggy during our attacks.

            What is the matter with them? Crushed?
            1. -9
              24 November 2019 14: 54
              Quote: curvature of the earth
              Quote: professor
              We look at how last week the Syrian air defense was buggy during our attacks.

              What is the matter with them? Crushed?

              These crushed, and 4 destroyed.

              Quote: loki565
              As well as the vaunted PETRIOT, I wonder how the same railway dome will work if rockets fly over it, and not gas cylinders)))

              LCD in my memory did not intercept cylinders. Last week intercepted Xnumx full-time Syrian missiles.
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              2. +1
                24 November 2019 15: 35
                Dear readers of the Military Review! Before you are Jewish couch strategists with curls openly writing outright lies and presenting their Fake about the defeat of "Pantsir-C1". And so that you believe it, they repeatedly replicate their lies themselves or with the help of "narrow-minded" or Russophobes, trying focus your attention on lies! Anti-aircraft missiles "Pantsir-S1" or other, cannot have such agility physically. They try to breed you like suckers!
                1. -11
                  24 November 2019 15: 45
                  Quote: Thunderclock
                  Dear readers of the Military Review! Before you are Jewish couch strategists with curls openly writing outright lies and presenting their Fake about the defeat of "Pantsir-C1". And so that you believe it, they repeatedly replicate their lies themselves or with the help of "narrow-minded" or Russophobes, trying focus your attention on lies! Anti-aircraft missiles "Pantsir-S1" or other, cannot have such agility physically. They try to breed you like suckers!

                  Thanks to the experts!
                  1. +6
                    24 November 2019 15: 58
                    the curvature of the earth (Fedor), the dirty street is your lie! You are deliberately lying - do not confuse the launch of serviceable missiles not "Pantsir-C1" in Fake with defective, in this case, C-300. Look at the Shuttle crash when the wreckage scatters in all directions! Contradict yourself! Serviceable rockets "Pantsir-C1" do not have such maneuverabilityas presented in Israeli Fake!
                    1. -6
                      24 November 2019 16: 08
                      Quote: Thunderclock
                      the curvature of the earth (Fedor), the dirty street is your lie! You are deliberately lying - do not confuse the launch of serviceable missiles not "Pantsir-C1" in Fake with defective, in this case, C-300. Look at the Shuttle crash when the wreckage scatters in all directions! Contradict yourself! Serviceable rockets "Pantsir-C1" do not have such maneuverabilityas presented in Israeli Fake!

                      After it turned out that "have such maneuverability physically" can not only Shell rockets, but also much larger C-300 rockets, our expert nodded and started changing shoes on the go. good
                      1. +6
                        24 November 2019 16: 33
                        Quote: Earth Curvature

                        After it became clear that not only Pantsir missiles, but also much larger S-300 missiles, could "physically have such maneuverability," our expert joked and began to change shoes on the go.

                        Do not write nonsense! Anti-aircraft missile "Pantsir-S1" cannot turn 180 degrees on the spot without losing speed, And in Fake is the other way around, and the operation of shunting jet engines is also not visible.. Watch carefully the launch of the Tor-2 missiles when its missiles are deployed 90 degrees, losing their initial speed. There is a lie of the Jews!
                  2. +3
                    24 November 2019 16: 07
                    Quote: Earth Curvature
                    Thanks to the experts.

                    And you are not aware that the Shell and C-300 rockets are slightly different things? In addition, the rocket in question does not maneuver while aiming at the target, but has gone peddling and is just chatting in the air. Here is the first one, yes, but there are no crazy pirouettes.
                    1. -8
                      24 November 2019 16: 16
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      And you are not aware that the Shell and C-300 rockets are slightly different things?

                      What is different?
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      In addition, the rocket in question does not maneuver while aiming at the target, but has gone peddling and is just chatting in the air.

                      1. How do you know that the shells were not the same?
                      2. If not forgotten, it was about the fact that "Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missiles" or othercannot have such maneuverability physically.
                      Oops.
                      1. +4
                        24 November 2019 16: 18
                        Quote: Earth Curvature
                        What is different?

                        By construction.
                        Quote: Earth Curvature
                        How do you know that the shells were not the same?
                        That is, they were wrong? Well, then what is the merit of Israel?
                        Quote: Earth Curvature
                        If not forgotten, then it was about the fact that "Anti-aircraft missiles" Pantsir-C1 "or others, cannot physically have such maneuverability.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        In addition, the rocket in question does not maneuver while aiming at a target, but gone peddling and she just chatters in the air. Here is the first one, yes, but there are no crazy pirouettes.
                        When a car drives on the road, it can also show a lot of things. Before the accident.
                      2. -11
                        24 November 2019 16: 29
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Quote: Earth Curvature
                        What is different?

                        By construction.

                        And then? Why are you doing this?

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Quote: Earth Curvature
                        How do you know that the shells were not the same?
                        That is, they were wrong? Well, then what is the merit of Israel?

                        1. Besides you, no one spoke about the "merit of Israel". Why did you bring this here again?
                        2. Whether they were serviceable or not, or they crushed their guidance blocks (as in the video of the "professor" over Damascus), no one knows, and to be honest, this is not at all about that.
                        For some reason, you got into a conversation in which it was only about the fact that missiles could not maneuver in this way. After it turned out that even as they could - they began to bustle and dodge. Sorry, but respectful adults don’t behave like that.
                        Further conversation with you is not interesting to me.
                        Happy to stay.
                      3. +5
                        24 November 2019 17: 26
                        Deliberate lie. The Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile cannot turn 180 degrees on the spot without losing speed, but in Fake the opposite is true, and the operation of the shunting gas-dynamic jet engines is also not visible. Watch carefully the launch of the Tor-m2 missiles when its missiles are deployed 90 degrees, losing their initial speed. In the Israeli Fake, only a super-maneuverable fighter can fly this way, not missiles, including anti-aircraft missiles. The Jews are lying!
                      4. +3
                        24 November 2019 18: 25
                        Quote: Earth Curvature
                        And then?
                        Do you understand the word construction?
                        Quote: Earth Curvature
                        Except you, no one spoke about the "merit of Israel"
                        Actually, it was originally about him
                        Quote: Thunderclock
                        Dear readers of the Military Review! Here are Jewish couch strategists with curls openly writing outright lies and presenting their Fake about the defeat of "Pantsir-C1".
                        Already forgotten?
                        Quote: Earth Curvature
                        For some reason, you got into a conversation in which it was only about the fact that missiles could not maneuver in this way. After it turned out that even as they could - they began to bustle and dodge.
                        Oh really? You upload a video that shows the launch of a faulty rocket (which it is even called) and for some reason you begin to assure that if a faulty rocket can wobble as you like before falling, then a good rocket flies like that.
                        Quote: Earth Curvature
                        Further conversation with you is not interesting to me.
                        There is nothing to argue.
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          3. +2
            24 November 2019 14: 44
            As well as the vaunted PETRIOT, I wonder how the same railway dome will work if rockets fly over it, and not gas cylinders)))
            1. +4
              24 November 2019 15: 40
              Dear readers of the Military Review! Before you are Jewish couch strategists with curls openly writing outright lies and presenting their Fake about the defeat of "Pantsir-C1". And so that you believe it, they repeatedly replicate their lies themselves or with the help of "narrow-minded" or Russophobes, trying focus your attention on lies! Anti-aircraft missiles "Pantsir-S1" or other, cannot have such agility physically. They try to breed you like suckers!
              1. +4
                24 November 2019 16: 49
                A deliberate lie - do not confuse the launch of serviceable missiles not "Pantsir-C1" in Fake with faulty ones, in this case the S-300. Watch the Shuttle crash as debris scatters in all directions! Contradict yourself! Serviceable missiles "Pantsir-C1" do not have the same maneuverability as presented in the Israeli Fake! The Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile cannot turn 180 degrees on the spot without losing speed, but in Fake the opposite is true, and the operation of the shunting gas-dynamic jet engines is also not visible. Watch carefully the launch of the Tor-2 missiles when its missiles are deployed 90 degrees, losing their initial speed. There is a lie of the Jews!
          4. +2
            24 November 2019 14: 44
            Quote: professor
            We look at how last week the Syrian air defense was buggy during our attacks.

            We can say thanks for the lesson, I think not only the Syrians will draw conclusions from this and take into account in their further development. It’s bad that people died ...
          5. +3
            24 November 2019 14: 45
            Quote: professor
            We look

            Something incomprehensible in the distance, you won’t understand what flies where. That's just to defeat dozens of goals, as stated by the representatives of Israel, this clearly does not pull, not enough of them. And by the way, where are the 4 batteries from?
            1. -8
              24 November 2019 15: 54
              Quote: Dart2027
              Quote: professor
              We look

              Something incomprehensible in the distance, you won’t understand what flies where. That's just to defeat dozens of goals, as stated by the representatives of Israel, this clearly does not pull, not enough of them. And by the way, where are the 4 batteries from?

              1. The residents of Damascus were filming the video, and they posted it on the net. Ours showed satellite images "before" and "after".
              2. AOI press service reported on 6-and air defense systems (my blunder). https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/338670.html
              1. +1
                24 November 2019 16: 15
                Quote: professor
                Filmed video residents of Damascus

                I don’t know who was shooting there, but it is impossible to understand anything there.
                Quote: professor
                https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/338670.html

                Here it is already clear, judging by the article, they hit three goals. The question is how many missiles were and how many were shot down.
                1. -6
                  24 November 2019 18: 28
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  I don’t know who was shooting there, but it is impossible to understand anything there.

                  Can. The Arabs themselves called this video "anti-aircraft missiles went crazy." I can clearly see how the air defense missile system hits residential buildings.

                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Here it is already clear, judging by the article, they hit three goals. The question is how many missiles were and how many were shot down.

                  Not in 3 goals, but 2 of a dozen goals in 6 different sites. I do not have data on the number of missiles shot down.
                  1. 0
                    25 November 2019 20: 17
                    Quote: professor
                    I can clearly see how the air defense system hits residential development.
                    One can see something flying, it is not clear where and from where, which is disappearing somewhere.
                    Quote: professor
                    Not for 3 goals, but 2 dozen goals in 6 different sites.
                    How's that?
                    Quote: professor
                    I do not have data on the number of missiles shot down.
                    That is the question. The fact that nobody struck something and does not deny it, the question is how many missiles were intercepted.
                    1. -4
                      25 November 2019 20: 23
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      One can see something flying, it is not clear where and from where, which is disappearing somewhere.

                      The Syrians filming the video described what and where.

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Not for 3 goals, but 2 dozen goals in 6 different sites.
                      How's that?

                      Again. 20 goals in 6 districts.

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is the question. The fact that nobody struck something and does not deny it, the question is how many missiles were intercepted.

                      It is not a matter of ammunition consumption as:
                      1. Goals destroyed
                      2. The aircraft were not affected.
                      1. 0
                        25 November 2019 21: 08
                        Quote: professor
                        Syrians filming a video described
                        Judging by the shooting, they were shot from a long distance and far from professionals.
                        Quote: professor
                        20 goals in 6 districts.
                        And I did not understand what kind of sites in question.
                        Quote: professor
                        1. Targets destroyed 2. Aircraft were not injured.
                        As to whether all the goals are destroyed is just the question. Your link says that there were only 4 explosions and 3 targets were hit, and that the Syrian side says that 11 out of 18 missiles were intercepted.
                      2. 0
                        26 November 2019 07: 33
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Judging by the shooting, they were shot from a long distance and far from professionals.

                        "long distance" is a relative thing. Filmed by amateurs, but the quality of the shooting allows you to observe the glitches of the air defense system.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        And I did not understand what kind of sites in question.

                        "site" and "area" are synonyms. I apologize for using an English word and misleading you.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        As to whether all the goals are destroyed is just the question. Your link says that there were only 4 explosions and 3 targets were hit, and that the Syrian side says that 11 out of 18 missiles were intercepted.

                        My link says about 2 dozen goals in 6 districts. Satellite imagery has also been demonstrated.
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          7. +3
            24 November 2019 15: 28
            By the way - and which ones? In which case - this is a question for the Professor, and in this case, without sub-approx. Because initially it was claimed about 6 batteries (it is not clear which ones), now it is about 4 and also nameless. The Syrians write about 4 killed officers and one killed Shilka.
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    3. +9
      24 November 2019 13: 54
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Well, that means that in a couple of weeks another delegation from the Pentagon will land in Ben Gurion.
      What birch and fog should I send to? wink
      1. -7
        24 November 2019 14: 01
        Well, they will not fly on the Tu-154. Yes Ben Gurion Airport is not Smolensk
        1. +4
          24 November 2019 14: 03
          Therefore, I ask: Where to send?
          1. +4
            24 November 2019 14: 04
            No, well, if the birch is not kosher, you can pine ...
            1. -16
              24 November 2019 14: 10
              Quote: sabakina
              No, well, if the birch is not kosher, you can pine ...

              Can. If you look like your avatar. wassat
              1. +5
                24 November 2019 14: 13
                Professor, I knew that you were vulgar, but to such an extent ... recourse
                1. -15
                  24 November 2019 14: 17
                  Quote: sabakina
                  Professor, I knew that you were vulgar, but to such an extent ... recourse

                  I'm talking about a tree, and what are you talking about? Birch is not exported from Russia to Israel. It is useless tree. Conifers are another matter, but best of all is the "Canadian cedar". No knots. The most "that" for the sauna.
                  1. +3
                    24 November 2019 14: 23
                    Quote: professor
                    I'm talking about a tree, and what are you talking about?
                    Then what does my profile picture have to do with it?

                    Quote: professor
                    Quote: sabakina
                    No, well, if the birch is not kosher, you can pine ...

                    Can. If you look like your avatar. wassat
                    1. +6
                      24 November 2019 14: 27
                      Quote: sabakina
                      Then where does

                      Vyacheslav, leave the "professor" alone ... let him wash and spit, it's time for him to go.
                2. -2
                  24 November 2019 14: 47
                  just the professor of fairy tales revised, and that is strange at old age)))
              2. +9
                24 November 2019 14: 13
                Quote: professor
                Quote: sabakina
                No, well, if the birch is not kosher, you can pine ...

                Can. If you look like your avatar. wassat

                Man, rudeness is not welcome here negative
                1. +6
                  24 November 2019 14: 28
                  Roman, prvevet! Vulgarity below the waist is the last way to keep your face not bat! wassat Damn it, again gave a reason, about "not a bat" ... laughing
                  1. +5
                    24 November 2019 14: 30
                    Quote: sabakina
                    "not a bat"

                    ... together wink laughing

                    And about the "professor" - well, we all have known him for a long time ... to pay attention to the assaults of a regular troll - do not respect yourself ... IMHO.
              3. +4
                24 November 2019 14: 17
                By the way, professor, do you have any vulgarity about eating?
                1. 0
                  24 November 2019 18: 17
                  Everyone Eats Someone
          2. -9
            24 November 2019 14: 10
            Keep it to yourself.
            1. +3
              24 November 2019 14: 15
              Don’t worry about us. We have these pines, well before ... in general a lot. wink
              1. -9
                24 November 2019 14: 26
                We have enough too. Or do you think that only cacti grow here?
  10. +6
    24 November 2019 13: 39
    Well, and now what will individual individuals say, howling that the Russian air defense is worthless, do American drones fly wherever they want?
    Not for the sake of gloating, for the sake of curiosity)))
  11. +6
    24 November 2019 13: 40
    Well, what else can I say, Russian air defense is changing the world! Silently soak hehe heh
    that the most probable means to combat drones is the Avtobaza 1L222 executive electronic intelligence system.

    Well, this is one of the most effective systems in the limit of visibility. And how many others are there?
  12. +3
    24 November 2019 13: 48
    It has been suggested that the 1L222 Avtobaza system of executive radio intelligence reconnaissance is the most likely means to combat drones.
    Again twenty-five, how many times have they told the world that a complex of passive locations can not land anything, in principle, no, it’s healthy again
    Here is an article from the same site -
    https://topwar.ru/82223-kompleks-passivnoy-lokacii-avtobaza-m.html
  13. -16
    24 November 2019 13: 53
    And the Israeli plane, CT bombing Damascus, shoot down weak? Why groan with joy, there is NO photo and video of the wreckage of the downed UAVs. And if not, consider it a fake.
    1. -3
      24 November 2019 14: 02
      Quote: Fevralsk. Morev
      Why groan with joy, there is NO photo and video of the wreckage of the downed UAVs. And if not, consider it a fake.

      There is


      True, there are no marks from the damaging elements of the Shell shell, but many do not need this. wink
      1. 0
        24 November 2019 18: 58
        The mark is clearly not the United States.
    2. +3
      24 November 2019 14: 06
      And the Israeli plane, CT bombing Damascus, shoot down weak?


      February 2018 of the year -



      Not weak, although not easy.
    3. +6
      24 November 2019 14: 06
      Why not? Italian has a photo and recognition.




      The Americans officially recognized their UAV, there are no pictures of the broken yet. But there is official recognition.
      1. -1
        24 November 2019 18: 58
        Whose sign ???
    4. -1
      24 November 2019 15: 00
      And the Israeli plane, CT bombing Damascus, shoot down weak? Why groan with joy, there is NO photo and video of the wreckage of the downed UAVs. And if not, consider it a fake.

      So he does not fly over Damascus, bullets from Lebanon or from neutral waters, and the carapace is a melee system, kilometers on 20.
  14. 0
    24 November 2019 14: 03
    At the same time, it is argued that both drones were shot down by the Russian Pantsir-S1E air defense missile system.


    There is an assumption that both drones were forced to land using Russian electronic warfare


    And so and so good))).
  15. 0
    24 November 2019 14: 03
    if they shot it down, it’s necessary, if they planted it, let it be passed to ours, to dig into the guts of a ripper and a predator would be interesting wassat
  16. +3
    24 November 2019 14: 11
    In any case, the quality and characteristics of the Pantsir-S1E air defense missile system should be highly appreciated, and their joint work with the Avtobaza 1L222 executive electronic intelligence system ... good
    Let someone across my throat, but I have good news for my birthday.
  17. 0
    24 November 2019 14: 29
    Nobody noticed how the "news" was cooked up?

    1. The drone is gone, that's a fact. But that sounds boring without the details, is it? Give me the details!

    2. Then miracles begin. The original Western news reports that the cause is unknown and is being investigated. But why does the author of the article need any investigation? He already knows everything: "the assumption is being made" that the drone was planted by Avtobaza. Although Avtobaza is a purely passive tool.

    3. To enhance the effect, the author embeds "Carapace" in the title, based on the phrase "approved".

    This is how such news is made: you write "an assumption is made", then you write any nonsense, then you add "asserted", and again nonsense.
    1. -1
      24 November 2019 15: 14
      Nobody noticed how the "news" was cooked up?
      1. The drone is gone, that's a fact. But that sounds boring without the details, is it? Give me the details!
      2. Then miracles begin. The original Western news reports that the cause is unknown and is being investigated. But why does the author of the article need any investigation? He already knows everything: "the assumption is being made" that the drone was planted by Avtobaza. Although Avtobaza is a purely passive tool.
      3. To enhance the effect, the author embeds "Carapace" in the title, based on the phrase "approved".
      This is how such news is made: you write "an assumption is made", then you write any nonsense, then you add "asserted", and again nonsense.

      The Italians have already recognized the loss of the UAV, photo above. The loss of two UAVs in one area, almost at the same time, is very suspicious. As for the United States, if they have no reason to quickly blame someone, then they shut up their losses until the last, until a video of defeat appears.
      1. -2
        24 November 2019 15: 37
        see paragraph one. Next - similar speculation
    2. +1
      24 November 2019 15: 49
      It is important that not one, but two UAVs disappeared, and in 2 days. And the probability of accidental loss = 0.
      The rest is technical details.
      1. -4
        24 November 2019 15: 50
        Who taught you how to count probabilities?
        1. +1
          24 November 2019 15: 57
          Good, competent teachers in a good Leningrad school again. Do you want to think that you yourself have fallen? laughing
          1. -4
            24 November 2019 16: 07
            At school, probability theory does not pass.

            I don't have such a "want to think", but I just have to think - analyze, compare, draw conclusions without this political zeal
            1. +1
              24 November 2019 16: 12
              For God's sake - analyze: 2 UAV for 2 days.
            2. 0
              25 November 2019 06: 23
              Quote: MrFox
              At school, probability theory does not pass.

              At school are studying combinatorics and stat. analysis, in this case this is enough. If you are in a science school passed, then this explains a lot ...
              1. 0
                25 November 2019 09: 00
                NVP teacher?
      2. +2
        24 November 2019 17: 34
        The genie destroyed them. Remember: "lamp slave"?
        1. +1
          24 November 2019 17: 48
          Finally, the simplest and most rational explanation.
  18. +1
    24 November 2019 14: 58
    + 100 points to Armor
  19. +2
    24 November 2019 15: 07
    in one day, the US and NATO lost two reconnaissance drones in the Tripoli area - the MQ-9 Reaper and the MQ-9A Predator-B.

    Neh ren fly in a strange sky, without invitation !!! fellow am
    At the same time, it is argued that both drones were shot down by the Russian Pantsir-S1E air defense missile system, which is in service with the army of Khalifa Haftar.

    What is your evidence? Maybe the seagulls "noted" on them? Or who is there in Libya from birds. what
  20. +3
    24 November 2019 15: 09
    The best advertisement is a qualitative defeat of goals .. Therefore, we will sell more ..
  21. BAI
    +1
    24 November 2019 15: 41
    And in fact, and in another case - an excellent result. What is the Shell, what is the EW. I wonder who pressed the buttons?
  22. -1
    24 November 2019 16: 37
    Oops)) well it happens and the shell shoots once a year)) count Karl it shoots the hell !!!
  23. VVK
    +1
    24 November 2019 16: 45
    What a shortsighted colonel Gaddafi was! Not from those and not that I bought weapons. But everything could turn out differently!
  24. +7
    24 November 2019 16: 50
    He takes pride for his country. drinks And we select the presidents of countries, and we bring down other people's drones, and we restore order in the world hi
  25. +4
    24 November 2019 17: 29
    Thank you for not blaming Russia and Putin personally. And then Putin is everywhere: Trump chose, was going to interfere in the elections of Germany and all Western countries.
  26. +2
    24 November 2019 17: 33
    It is not clear what happened, they shot down the Carapace or put them in with the help of EW - AvtoBaza, these are completely different things.
    1. 0
      24 November 2019 19: 03
      Yes, they can not put him with electronic warfare, it's a fairy tale !!!
    2. 0
      24 November 2019 19: 56
      The motor depot is directly a thunderstorm of drones, it is not the first time that it flashes in the news.
  27. +1
    24 November 2019 19: 06
    Quote: professor
    Last week intercepted Xnumx full-time Syrian missiles.

    And what are the regular Syrian missiles?
    1. +1
      24 November 2019 19: 58
      as usual, gas cylinders.
  28. -1
    24 November 2019 19: 11
    To distribute "hats" to all urapatras ... Apparently whoever "lowered" the drones did not study badly in Russia, and they did not hang out in clubs with "skins" ... Great.
  29. +1
    24 November 2019 20: 08
    Quote: Spartanez300
    In any case, NATO should not underestimate Pantsir.

    Even if the shell landed them, then you must admit that low-speed drones are an easy target for him.
  30. 0
    24 November 2019 21: 25
    am If really, it’s worth putting all the equipment of the USA and NATO to the ground, it doesn’t fly, it doesn’t go, it doesn’t float, it’s quiet and foolish, after that all the tensions in the world will be really removed
  31. -8
    24 November 2019 21: 31
    For a more or less modern SAM, reconnaissance UAVs are just an easy target.
  32. +2
    24 November 2019 22: 04
    And what is so ...? If you can shoot down, always get knocked down.
  33. -3
    24 November 2019 23: 51
    "The Aviationist", which, on this fact, reported that in one day the United States and NATO lost two reconnaissance drones in the Tripoli area - the MQ-9 Reaper and the MQ-9A Predator-B. At the same time, it is argued that both drones were shot down by the Russian Pantsir-S1E air defense missile system,

    All the way beautiful as "The Aviationist" really few details
    And then "BAM AND THE SECOND SHIFT"
    There is NO WORD in this article about Russian ZRPK "Pantsir-S1E
    For what and for whom is Noodle?
    1. 0
      25 November 2019 09: 05
      But the people are pleased.

      And caps threw into the air (s)
  34. 0
    25 November 2019 04: 49
    A trifle but nice! Pride in our military-industrial complex, without PR and advertising, is doing its job.
  35. 0
    25 November 2019 09: 31
    Actually, according to Wikipedia, the height of the target for the Shell-C1 is 15 m - 15 km, the defeat range of up to 20 km in total. The Ripper (MQ-9 Reaper) has the same operating height. 15 km.
    That is, it is quite difficult to hit the Riper with the Shell - it is necessary for the Riper to fly directly into the small zone of the Shell’s defeat, and even lower it.
  36. 0
    25 November 2019 09: 37
    If this is true - this is just some kind of holiday! drinks And "Avtobaza" is better than "Pantsir" in this case. good Maybe now they will stop from Sicily these dragonflies to drive to Crimea ...
  37. +1
    25 November 2019 11: 57
    Not that great, but GREAT news! Like a balm for the soul. It is necessary to bring down more these metal pendulki. Until they leave the Middle East at all!
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