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Rostec will supply Sukhoi with sets of composite parts for serial Su-57

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Rostec will supply Sukhoi with sets of composite parts for serial Su-57

Rostec and Sukhoi signed a contract for the production of parts and assemblies from polymer composites for fifth-generation serial fighter aircraft Su-57. The production of sets will be engaged in the Obninsk Scientific and Production Enterprise "Technology" named after A.G. Romashina. This was reported by the press service of Rostec.


According to Oleg Yevtushenko, executive director of the state corporation, the signed contract for parts and assemblies made of composites was the first in the framework of cooperation on the production of serial Su-57.

The Rostec enterprise is fully prepared to ensure the fulfillment of tasks. For this, we have the necessary experience, production base and specialists.

- he said.

According to the signed agreement, Rostec, in the period from 2020 to 2028, is obliged to deliver seventy-four sets of composite products to the Sukhoi aircraft plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, where they assemble the serial Su-57. What will be included in the set of parts and assemblies is not reported.

Thanks to the composites, the Su-57 glider was able to be made lightweight and durable, which, combined with other technical characteristics, provides the aircraft with excellent maneuverability. In addition, the use of composites makes the technique invisible to radar

- Said the press service.
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  1. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 23 November 2019 12: 15 New
    +1
    Moving on to serial production) ... this is serious ...
    In parallel, work is underway on modernization and deep improvements ... so in the next 10 years it will be necessary to carefully monitor the information in order to understand which SU57 is in front of us (such stories in aviation are common)
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 23 November 2019 17: 31 New
      +3
      Nevertheless, in aviation this is not a common thing. For modernization, as a rule, their ROCs are carried out and the heterogeneity of the specimens leads to high fragmentation, which impedes stable mass production. As a result, the process is delayed and more expensive. And it is also unclear how to service fighters with different design features.

      The look is formed now and here, so it will be serial. The maximum that can be changed later is to equip in the future with a new engine.
      1. Igluxnumx
        Igluxnumx 24 November 2019 12: 55 New
        0
        Perhaps you have never heard the term "revision"? And that refinement is carried out regardless of the location of a particular side? And as for she has a lot of things ..... It was in the USSR, it will be now.
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 November 2019 12: 20 New
    +3
    This information leaves no doubt - they took up the issue seriously. And do not compare with thousands of "penguins" ... This is an airplane of another class, and other features. Time will show what is more correct ...
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 23 November 2019 13: 08 New
      +5
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      This information leaves no doubt - they took up the issue seriously. And do not compare with thousands of "penguins" ... This is an airplane of another class, and other features. Time will show what is more correct ...

      I would compare the three main performance characteristics of serial avionics, EPR and radar. Interesting after all.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 23 November 2019 13: 18 New
        +9
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        LTX for serial avionics, electronic ballasts and radar

        But who will tell the truth? Especially in the EPR? The most difficult to check parameter. Well, and very dependent on the wavelength of the radar. Yes, and you can tell a lot about the radar ... Unreliable. "The all-devastating invisibility" is the dream of any pilot. And how much is it achieved? Invisibility and powerful radar are interfering parameters. As the radar turned on - it was so designated - "I'm here" !!!
      2. Nick
        Nick 23 November 2019 14: 23 New
        -1
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        I would compare the three main performance characteristics of serial avionics, EPR and radar. Interesting all the same

        I would not call these characteristics the main LTH
      3. kit88
        kit88 23 November 2019 16: 28 New
        +3
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        I would compare the three main performance characteristics of serial avionics, EPR and radar. Interesting all the same

        How do you "completely by accident" forget about what Russians do best. Engine. Over-maneuverability.
        Otherwise, it’s not a fighter, but an airship.
        By the way avionics and "radar" is like one enters into the other.
      4. Voyager
        Voyager 23 November 2019 17: 33 New
        +5
        You named the three main parameters of the LTX, but did not mention either speed or thrust-weight ratio ... how is it, Aron? smile
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 24 November 2019 05: 37 New
          +3
          Voyager (Andrey) Yesterday, 17: 33
          +3
          You named the three main parameters of the LTX, but did not mention either speed or thrust-weight ratio ... how is it, Aron? smile

          You won’t get an answer. The work is carried out strictly according to the training manual - to systematically spoil Russia with all available, and inaccessible ways and methods. And they have one method - written in conjunction with the merikatos. So the development of its shekels is according to their joint plan.
      5. Tony
        Tony 23 November 2019 21: 02 New
        +8
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        I would compare the three main performance characteristics of serial avionics, EPR and radar. Interesting after all.

        But is the radar not included in the avionics? You are mistaken, "comrade" from Israel. The radar is part of the avionics, so express yourself correctly ...
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 24 November 2019 05: 36 New
          +1
          Tony (Tony) Yesterday, 21: 02
          +4
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          I would compare the three main performance characteristics of serial avionics, EPR and radar. Interesting after all.

          But is the radar not included in the avionics? You are mistaken, "comrade" from Israel. The radar is part of the avionics, so express yourself correctly ...

          And this "" comrade "from Israel." just to dunk Russia into the mud, and there at least eat fat. wink
      6. Waddimm
        Waddimm 24 November 2019 08: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        three main performance characteristics of serial avionics, electronic ballasts and radar.

        Why do you consider these characteristics to be fundamental?
  3. Potato
    Potato 23 November 2019 12: 24 New
    +6
    I saw a stand and spoke with someone, if I remember correctly, from the Obninsk NPO Tech a couple of years ago at an exhibition in Moscow. At the site of the old Moskvich factory, in the technology park. What they had there - it was cool - honeycomb polymer structures, for example. And metal ones. Very light, stiff and durable. In short, I was impressed. In general - they are solid and competent people. I think that everything will be done as it should)
    1. Alexey LK
      Alexey LK 25 November 2019 14: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Potato
      that everything will do as it should

      But for some reason there are problems for the MS-21. It’s strange if they could do for the Su-57 - are there really less high-tech materials there? Or is it a matter of cost? Like, it’s not important for military equipment ...
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 23 November 2019 12: 30 New
    -6
    It is interesting, but does this information have some volume, limited for distribution, or, more simply, do not blur out in this way information that contains elements of state secrets? ??
  5. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 23 November 2019 12: 32 New
    +3
    That is, it can be virtually assumed that in eight years about 74 production aircraft will be created. This is already something concrete.
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 23 November 2019 17: 34 New
      +4
      76 aircraft. And they will be delivered on time.
      1. spectr
        spectr 24 November 2019 13: 39 New
        +1
        We will see. As production practice shows, the first year is an opa. Establishment of production and relations with suppliers has so many nuances that most often in the first year new terms are missed. And in subsequent years, we have to catch up.
        As an example, the best personnel of an enterprise (due to tight deadlines) are usually “thrown” to the development and production of a prototype. And when the series begins, then everyone is connected. And there all sorts of "frames" can be.
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 24 November 2019 16: 04 New
          0
          And as practice shows, KnAAPO has never missed a deadline for the past tens of years. smile
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    1. Runoway
      Runoway 23 November 2019 12: 37 New
      -17
      Well, you still remember how they shout that "our life is improving, the economy is growing and there is nothing to sanction"
      1. maidan.izrailovich
        maidan.izrailovich 23 November 2019 13: 01 New
        +15
        ... our life is improving, the economy is growing ....

        We are happy for you. crying
        But what does this have to do with the topic of aircraft manufacturing in Russia?
      2. Macdidi
        Macdidi 23 November 2019 13: 20 New
        +13
        I see from my family, from my friends and relatives, from my hometown that you are lying impudently. I do not understand why? Together with the rest (whiners) whining about everything is bad? Or for the sake of pluses in the Liberty to stay?
      3. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 25 November 2019 08: 17 New
        0
        and you that life is getting worse?
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              1. Potato
                Potato 23 November 2019 13: 56 New
                -11
                Ak47 and Akm I did not confuse, ale!

                Su35 from 90s and Su35 modern are much different. Here I did not argue anywhere. 35th of 90s and su27 also have a different glider. Even the 27s of different years of release and modifications are different planes. So what?
                1. 30hgsa
                  30hgsa 23 November 2019 14: 17 New
                  +4
                  Well, yes, you argued with us that AKMS-47 (what it is I did not understand so far), this is an AK with a folding butt :)

                  You said that the Su-35S is an airplane that was created in the 90s :) Memory is stressful, the main thing is straining memory while sitting on the toilet, so as not to crap again :)
                  1. Potato
                    Potato 23 November 2019 14: 25 New
                    -14
                    But the su35s was not created in the 90s? Oh well...)))
                    1. 30hgsa
                      30hgsa 23 November 2019 14: 35 New
                      +8
                      No, the Su-35S was created in the 2000s :) The first flight - 2008.
                      You streamline, do not be shy :)
                      1. Potato
                        Potato 23 November 2019 14: 56 New
                        -10
                        Su35 was created in 2000, but wasn’t created in the 90s?)) But what about its engine, for example, Al41f1s? When was it created? And his weapons - rockets p27, p73 and p77 - what is this? Where is it from? But his radar - the snow leopard - yes, I agree, from the program that started in 2000m
                      2. 30hgsa
                        30hgsa 23 November 2019 15: 08 New
                        +6
                        AL41F1S was created in the 2000s, but if you reproduce your flawed logic and assume that evolutionary changes do not matter ... then the T-90 was created in the 30s, because the B-92 continues the B-line (12 cylinder V-swatches ) which is based on B-2 :)
                      3. Potato
                        Potato 23 November 2019 15: 16 New
                        -7
                        Opa!) So you, therefore, agree that the newest Su35 flies on engines from the 90s and shoots rockets from them?)))
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                      5. Voyager
                        Voyager 23 November 2019 17: 44 New
                        +7
                        Of course, the Su-35 flies on engines from the 90s, just like the F-22s and F-35s fly on engines from the 70s, because their vaunted engines are similarly built on the basis of the PW F100 from the same 70s. These are the things, Antosha. A curtain.
                  2. Voyager
                    Voyager 23 November 2019 17: 42 New
                    +6
                    To you in black and white, I and other people wrote that in the 90s the Su-35 with the T-10M code was created. It was a deep modernization of the 27th glider with PGO and air brake.

                    That Su-35, which was developed in the 2000s, is lip-read: perfect. other. plane. It was also referred to as the Su-35BM. With big changes in the design of the classic airframe and several times different parameters.
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              1. 30hgsa
                30hgsa 23 November 2019 14: 59 New
                +8
                So this is a trololo, it makes no sense in a serious conversation with him, only to catch the lulz on it :)
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  • loki565
    loki565 23 November 2019 13: 31 New
    +4
    Conclusion anti-adviser - always Russophobe
    1. Potato
      Potato 23 November 2019 13: 46 New
      -17
      I agree. Anti-Soviet almost always Russophobia. And among them there are a lot of cheers-patrietics - a sneak of the current regime.
  • Sky strike fighter
    Sky strike fighter 23 November 2019 13: 40 New
    +16
    People are hypocritical and dumb. Especially cheap patriotic cheers

    How much is a kilogram of potatoes today? Give me a couple of kilograms. But seriously, then Potato, stop buzit.And then you will be taken to a detox soon.
    who do not have their own opinion, memory and conscience, who simply repeat the words of propaganda

    People have their own opinion, you just don’t like it, because it runs counter to the opinion of the Washington Regional Committee, but these are your problems, not ours. We think the way we want. And we don’t dance to the American tune, to their propaganda. personally you are dancing.
    There is memory. There would be no memory, then we would not have celebrated MAY 9 and there would be no IMMORTAL REGION.
    I don’t understand why did you decide that we don’t have a conscience? Before whom? We have no conscience before the hegemon? Have they flown off the coils? Are we stopping someone from organizing bloody hegemony? Oh poor hegemon. Well, how can we see this? We have no conscience. But the hegemon has a conscience when in the blood of Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, the list can be continued, and is it all his business?
    1. Potato
      Potato 23 November 2019 13: 53 New
      -15
      You have a Phashington regional committee of the brain, dear.

      May 9th is also a holy day for me. Both of my grandfathers are war veterans. And I remember and proud of the feat of the great Soviet people, and their homeland - the USSR.

      And the current government of the oligarchs simply clung to this glory. At the same time managing to vulgarize her. But personally, everything suits you, apparently. Well then ...
      1. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 23 November 2019 14: 16 New
        +9
        Quote: Potato
        You have a Phashington regional committee of the brain, dear.

        May 9th is also a holy day for me. Both of my grandfathers are war veterans. And I remember and proud of the feat of the great Soviet people, and their homeland - the USSR.

        And the current government of the oligarchs simply clung to this glory. At the same time managing to vulgarize her. But personally, everything suits you, apparently. Well then ...

        Today you’re undercooked.
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          1. 30hgsa
            30hgsa 23 November 2019 14: 31 New
            +1
            "neither serving" is written through "not." But this is not the main thing ... Stalin did not serve in the army :) If that. He received his first combat experience only as a civilian immediately as a member of the PBC (front, if not mistaken).
            1. Potato
              Potato 23 November 2019 14: 35 New
              -13
              I am writing from the phone, and I'm not comfortable. Not serving a day had in mind. Although Stalin did not serve, he would give a head start to many servants. And the stool with the hand in front of the empty head - the future felon - the current minister - is that ?! Do you have any questions in all this action?
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                  3. Sky strike fighter
                    Sky strike fighter 23 November 2019 15: 12 New
                    +11
                    Quote: Potato
                    To the campaign, you’re a corrupt little thing that applauds when the Victory Parade is hosted by a person who has not served in the army for a day, or a civilian criminal in general. When Lenin's mausoleum is bashfully covered with cardboard, and mummers are sitting in the stands with the “leader”. And then across the square in front of them carry equipment that the army did not see. Well yes, cheers-patrietics they are such hypocrites ...

                    Quote: Potato
                    I am writing from the phone, and I'm not comfortable. Not serving a day had in mind. Although Stalin did not serve, he would give a head start to many servants. And the stool with the hand in front of the empty head - the future felon - the current minister - is that ?! Do you have any questions in all this action?


                    Quote: Potato
                    Ahaha, there you go! The people, looking, the patriotic 30hgsa turned out to be a kremlebotik darned) on the one hand, it is supposedly for patriotism, and on the other, about the mausoleum or stool, it is not supposed to write to him on a duty of a trolly agreement!) Only to curry)))

                    It reminds me of something between the notes from the insane asylum and the tone when someone forgot to put on a muzzle.

                    Dear visitors of the site. Caution! Wicked Potato! Howls without warning. Beware !!!
                  4. 30hgsa
                    30hgsa 23 November 2019 15: 21 New
                    +1
                    Come on, he’s funny and harmless potato, but the potato has no teeth. Look Republican below - that scares me :) That really campaign everything is difficult with the psyche :)
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 23 November 2019 15: 11 New
    +5
    And you apparently have insanity on the verge of schizophrenia.
  • Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 23 November 2019 15: 30 New
    +4
    Quote: Potato
    Now wretched penguins will rush to minus

    Quote: 30hgsa
    It says a woodpecker

    I join the second speaker.

    Antoshka - go dig potatoes ... here it doesn’t shine for you, a campaign request
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 23 November 2019 17: 26 New
    0
    Quote: Potato
    People are hypocritical and dumb.

    One Antokha is truthful and sharp. lol
    Now wretched penguins will rush to minus

    He also considers himself outstanding. Do not die of self-praise.
  • Pup1
    Pup1 23 November 2019 13: 16 New
    0
    They laughed ... the republican cries further .... we have poplars and co. we have enough .... stealth and other mess like aug is leveled out by this .... sorry for the amers ... lokhanunulis ...
  • loki565
    loki565 23 November 2019 13: 24 New
    +3
    F117 is a miserable project that does not have the potential to modernize, and this is why it was sent to the scrap))) stealth aircraft were worked out both in the USSR and in Russia, experimented with both the fuselage shape and the special ones. coatings. But unlike the F117, this was not done to the detriment of the flight qualities of the aircraft. As for Yugoslavia, the air defense there was completely suppressed by cruise missiles, but not like stealth irons.
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      1. 30hgsa
        30hgsa 23 November 2019 13: 39 New
        +8
        Subsonic bomber F-117 gave way to F-22? :))))) Have a drink for the glycine. You need.
        1. Republican
          Republican 23 November 2019 14: 09 New
          -8
          That is, a less perfect Stealth cannot give way to a more advanced Stealth? Phenomenal logic sometimes occurs in VO. I hope you are aware that the F-117 is not the only strike tactical aircraft in service with the US Air Force? I’m just hinting that the F-117 was not the main drummer, it was a narrowly specialized fighter! Have you ever read anything about the F-117? Well, is there a history of creation, a history of combat use, features and situations of their application? I have a feeling that you only know about him from the broadcast on Ren-tv and all sorts of freak shows like "strike force" and "military acceptance", if so, I sincerely feel sorry for you.
          1. 30hgsa
            30hgsa 23 November 2019 14: 14 New
            +4
            Glycine. Tablets. Go to the doctor, say they say you have problems with your head. Prescribe treatment. F-22 - a fighter for gaining superiority in the air. F-117 - drummer (and even dull as a drummer), not adapted for aerial combat in any way.
            F-117 and F-22 have different niches, saying that F-117 has replaced F-22 is like saying that the Mi-2 replaced the Po-15. But first, to the doctor, without a course of therapy, you will not understand :)
            1. Republican
              Republican 23 November 2019 14: 48 New
              0
              The first flight took place on June 18, 1981. 64 units were produced, the last production copy was delivered by the US Air Force in 1990.
              F-117 has been used quite successfully in a number of military conflicts. In mid-2008, aircraft of this type were completely withdrawn from service, mainly due to the adoption of the F-22 Raptor.

              Not a man does not even understand hints! We’ll try it right, suddenly it’s a ride! And so the patient follow the words and their sequences! When I say that the F-117 is not the only drummer in the US Air Force, it means that it performed the role of NOT THE ONLY Drummer, but which conclusion follows from this? Correctly a demonstrator of Stealth technology in combat conditions and during operation due to the fact that they were made by 64 copies and not hundreds! And so now the question is, what the hell is it to contain the F-117 if the F-22 appeared in service and in addition to it soon, but already (455 units have been produced) F-35s? Now strain your brains and draw a conclusion! I understand that it is extremely difficult for you to do it, but try it!
              1. 30hgsa
                30hgsa 23 November 2019 14: 51 New
                +5
                Well, they contained F-2008 until 117, when it was already under 200 F-22, why? :)))
                And they did not produce F-117s since 1990, while the first F-22 took off only in 1997 :)
                Maybe because these are generally different cars and about different things? :) F-117, more precisely, it’s not a machine at all, it’s right, a technology demonstrator, squalor, not intended for military use and used only for PR, and UNDER F-15 PROTECTION :))))))
                The F-22 is a completely different machine - it is a fighter for gaining superiority in the air with IWT, supersonic and some stealth technologies :)) Moreover, the stealth is greatly truncated since it is in addition to LTX - the idea was stealth in favor of reducing visibility / reducing detection range not to the detriment of LTH.
                Zadornov was right, what stupid Americans are :) Dumber than only their six on the suction.
            2. IGOR GORDEEV
              IGOR GORDEEV 23 November 2019 14: 54 New
              +2
              Quote: 30hgsa
              Glycine. Tablets. Go to the doctor, say they say you have problems with your head.

              laughing good
          2. Voyager
            Voyager 23 November 2019 17: 50 New
            +5
            David, you don’t have to get into topics you don’t understand. For starters, the F-117 cannot give way to the F-22 in any way, because they are completely different planes. Different in type, class and purpose of use. It is also important to understand the term "perfect", which is used in relation to the stealth. Indeed, oh God, the effective dispersion area of ​​the F-22 is suddenly HIGHER than that of the F-117, which means that it can be seen on the radar better than the F-117, despite the "more advanced" stealth technologies in the F-22. Moreover, this is not surprising, and it is easily explained, you just have to look at these two aircraft and smash your head on the topic, which solutions are applied in each of them. You are just an ordinary victim of US propaganda and advertising
      2. loki565
        loki565 23 November 2019 13: 46 New
        +3
        30 years?))) Well, yes, if the F16 was a good aircraft with great modernization potential, then it is still produced and sold around the world. But F 117 didn’t show himself anywhere, and after he was shot down in Yugoslavia, they only started shooting in the movies))) well, your efforts to lick the fifth point of the USA only confirm the opinion: the anti-Soviet is always Russophobe)))
        1. 30hgsa
          30hgsa 23 November 2019 13: 50 New
          +3
          Not so, the F-117 was completely discontinued in 2008. Despite the fact that it was adopted in the 80s. Only here is such a thing. goblin production ceased in 1990 (almost immediately after adoption):) and they were in service according to the principle - in vain did they invest money :) But formally they stood in service for about 20 years.
    2. Potato
      Potato 23 November 2019 13: 36 New
      -6
      And where did you get the idea that f117 is a miserable project? They were not sent to the scrap, but sent for conservation because they are already ancient. In the battle, they proved to be normal and almost did not suffer any losses. Some of them are still in active use despite the antiquity and the availability of modern, more advanced analogues.
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 24 November 2019 10: 57 New
        0
        Quote: Potato
        And where did you get the idea that f117 is a miserable project? They were not sent to the scrap, but sent for conservation because they are already ancient. In the battle, they proved to be normal and almost did not suffer any losses. Some of them are still in active use despite the antiquity and the availability of modern, more advanced analogues.

        Too shy to ask in what battle?
  • 30hgsa
    30hgsa 23 November 2019 13: 31 New
    +5
    Yes, the F-117 is ineffective and the machine that was withdrawn from service, and why is it inefficient, because the stele does not solve anything at all? No, stealth offers certain advantages, exactly what are certain, but stealth cannot be sacrificed for LTX, which the goblin had no + huge maintenance problems. Well, the percentage of losses is low ... so they were cherished like the apple of an eye :) All the work was done by the F-15, and the goblins only PR.

    and the B-2 is also bad not because the stealth doesn’t solve at all, it does in some situations, but it cannot break through the Soviet air defense of the B-2 :) But the stealth was sacrificed a huge cost, as a result - they fly to missions mainly B-52 , and B-2 are in the hangars and do piarudary sometimes :)

    So shame in your head. Both the USSR and the Russian Federation made the CORRECT conclusion that stealth technology in the 80s and 90s led to a DECREASE in the real combat capabilities of the aircraft. As a result, even the F-22 compared to the F-117 is not enough :) I had to abandon the concept of "invisibility" and move on to some reduction of the EPR from some angles, not to the detriment of the LTX :)
    1. Republican
      Republican 23 November 2019 13: 54 New
      -12
      7000 sorties called cherished as the apple of an eye? Where does such incredible confidence in Soviet-Russian air defense come from? Which is cheaper? 1000 cruise missiles or layered air defense? What is the point of making the B-21 Rider if “EXPERT WITH VO” writes to me that the B-2, F-35, F-22 and the future B-21 cannot penetrate the RF air-conditioned air defense? Probably sitting in the Pentagon, who in 1991 in the Persian Gulf showed how to iron the air-conditioned air defense! And the stop cannot be called idiots too implausible, but I remembered that the Russian propaganda has the answer "PENTAGON PILET BABLO" to this. Know every time I hear something from the category: “Stealth cannot penetrate anti-aircraft defense”, “Pentagon drank loot”, “our weapon is cheaper and better than American” is not some generally recognized fact or objective conclusion, but a prayer or a spell, which every Russian person pronounces every morning, day and night! It directly resembles the propaganda of the USSR from the category: “The Union is indestructible”, “The Red Army is stronger than all”, “Communism and Socialism is the future”, “Communism will come in 1980”. You don’t find such a funny and ironic analogy?
      1. 30hgsa
        30hgsa 23 November 2019 14: 11 New
        +7
        Firstly, 7000 is nonsense :)
        Secondly, it all depends on the target, it is one thing to bomb in the conditions of anti-aircraft defense, and another to bomb an object cleared from air defense.
        Thirdly, shutters with the number of sorties of other vehicles.
        Fourth, stop the tantrum. :)
        1. Republican
          Republican 23 November 2019 14: 39 New
          -10
          Of course nonsense is for you, because it's hard to believe without awareness. Let me also write that the air defense of Iraq was built by primates and not by Soviet air defense specialists. Write to me that you are right because it is customary to think in VO. Write that saws are also sitting in the Pentagon. Well, I see you want to do it, but you don't want to show yourself an uneducated cheer patriot! Just the same, taking into account the statistics of the accident at home, each F-117 has an average of 31000 flying hours and there were 64 rather than 187 like the F-22 or 455 (at the moment) F-35s. Any air defense is defenseless against a massive attack by cruise missiles, the Americans realized this back in the 1970s and 80s, so they did not make Saint Grall out of air defense as some did and began to develop the strike potential of their aircraft. In total, we have more than 7000+ cruise missiles for various purposes. And this is without any undue burden on the US military-industrial complex, which is capable of delivering tremendous production indicators for armaments, which was shown by World War II! You don’t have to invent a hysteria, I’m writing the truth, which you don’t like and don’t want to recognize in addition!
          1. 30hgsa
            30hgsa 23 November 2019 14: 41 New
            +3
            Enchanting stream of consciousness on three different topics. :) Schizophasia in places ...
            So I see how drooling fan on the monitor whip :)
            By the way, yes, in the Pentagon there are also those saw cutters, ours before them ... ours are like small children here :)
            Proof of 7000 will be a hysterical girl? :) Maybe, by the way, in vain I'm driving a wave at you, maybe you just have an ICP?
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              1. 30hgsa
                30hgsa 23 November 2019 15: 17 New
                +6
                1300 sorties during a desert storm, wow? This is when 1000 flights a day were, yes - cool :) By the way, an awesome source - Cohen’s testimony in the congressional committee, which defended the F-117 after it was shot down in Yugoslavia :) A very unbiased and authoritative source. Will you shake a test tube for greater authority or immediately eggs? :)
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          2. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 23 November 2019 15: 30 New
            +3
            And this is without any undue burden on the US military-industrial complex, which is capable of delivering tremendous production indicators for armaments, which was shown by World War II!


            The US military budget is more than 700 billion dollars a year, despite the fact that the US budget deficit is approaching 1 trillion dollars a year, and the US public debt has already exceeded 22 trillion dollars !!!

            The shelf life of missiles is limited, about 10 years, of course you can still extend it, but
            it also costs money.

            So what about

            And this is without any kind of excessive load


            you bent the troll.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 November 2019 15: 17 New
        +4
        Stealth technologies give little noticeability - but not invisibility.
        1. Potato
          Potato 23 November 2019 15: 30 New
          -4
          Stealth technology makes it harder to hit missiles with infrared or radar guidance on such aircraft. About the complete invisibility of speech and does not go.
          1. Voyager
            Voyager 23 November 2019 17: 51 New
            +5
            Low ESR does not affect IR seeker.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 23 November 2019 22: 38 New
              +7
              Quote: Voyager
              Low ESR does not affect IR seeker

              By the way, yes laughing

              IR - it's on temperature, mostly yes
  • AVA77
    AVA77 23 November 2019 13: 31 New
    +5
    Why only Soviet and Russian propaganda? Start with ancient Russia. If you pour shit on Russia, pour it to the end.
    1. Republican
      Republican 23 November 2019 13: 40 New
      -13
      Does it hurt my eyes? It's not nice to read the bitter truth is it? Recognize whether you are too weak a person to recognize the obvious military propaganda shame of your country? I would still like to see competent answers from you to my comments from you, if you are incapable of this, then your opinion is not worth a penny!
      1. AVA77
        AVA77 23 November 2019 13: 49 New
        +8
        Recognize in a condition or you are too weak a person to recognize the obvious (Che) if it is not capable. (Maybe you are Chinese) Or does Klitschko write texts for you? laughing What school did you attend? Take her down.
        1. Republican
          Republican 23 November 2019 13: 59 New
          -12
          This is powerful! I don’t even understand that I wrote this is a new level of my interlocutors at VO. Honestly I didn’t expect, I thought people here are able to read, but it’s like ...
          1. AVA77
            AVA77 23 November 2019 14: 07 New
            +8
            People are here, they can read everything. But not everyone can write correctly, Do not dishonor my Language, write in English.
            1. AVA77
              AVA77 23 November 2019 14: 11 New
              +7
              This is powerful! I don’t even understand what I wrote (ZPT). This is a new level of my interlocutors at VO. Honestly, I did not expect (zpt), I thought people here can read (zpt), but it’s like ... tongue
              1. Republican
                Republican 23 November 2019 14: 27 New
                -8
                Clearly "smiley with tongue" is your answer? Clearly another poor fellow ...
                1. AVA77
                  AVA77 23 November 2019 14: 34 New
                  +5
                  The impression that you are guessing on emoticons. And what do emoticons say? belay
      2. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 23 November 2019 14: 12 New
        +11
        I would still like to see competent answers from you to my comments from you, if you are incapable of this, then your opinion is not worth a penny!

        A competent comment on your mental torment can only be obscene. You would go to the doctor, heal the nerves. A man with an invaluable opinion?
        1. Republican
          Republican 23 November 2019 14: 26 New
          -7
          Well, will the answer be competent or is it extremely difficult to formulate such an answer? Maxim, you disappoint me, I thought you would, as usual, throw a couple of links to the worthless yellow press and the opinions of the “pseudo-experts” or, at worst, give out your non-objective opinion. Poor work! Your country needs competent propaganda and you let it down, oh. ..
          1. Gost2012
            Gost2012 23 November 2019 15: 07 New
            +6
            Would you already go ... to your censor, there all this, about shame and so on
          2. Sky strike fighter
            Sky strike fighter 23 November 2019 15: 40 New
            +5
            Quote: Republican
            Well, will the answer be competent or is it extremely difficult to formulate such an answer? Maxim, you disappoint me, I thought you would, as usual, throw a couple of links to the worthless yellow press and the opinions of the “pseudo-experts” or, at worst, give out your non-objective opinion. Poor work! Your country needs competent propaganda and you let it down, oh. ..

            Doctors you certainly will not disappoint. A copy worthy of a congress of doctors from all over the country.
            7000 sorties called cherished as the apple of an eye?

            In total, we have more than 7000+ cruise missiles for various purposes.

            Total we have a ready-made patient, with his favorite figure of 7000.
            Maxim, you disappoint me, I thought you would, as usual, throw a couple of links to the worthless yellow press and the opinions of the “pseudo-experts” or, at worst, give out your non-objective opinion. Poor work! Your country needs competent propaganda and you let it down, oh. ..

            laughing laughing
            The clinic that will cure you can safely claim the title of the best medical institution in the country, in which clients will be recorded for several years in advance. sad
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  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 23 November 2019 14: 01 New
    +6
    And now these people scream about the only downed F-117 out of 7000 sorties


    And you do not want to compare the forces of the parties of Yugoslavia and the NATO countries for a start ?!

    But when they talk about the downing of the F-117, they talk about it only as the fact that a modern stealth plane was shot down by an air defense system of the late 50's from a distance of 10 km, and from 30 km it was discovered.

    at the same time they’re waiting for their Stealth to look forward to


    Su-57 is not just a stealth, namely a 5th generation fighter. The fifth generation includes fighters in terms of speed without afterburner, radar with AFAR and stealth (low ESR), and the latter criterion was paid less attention to the Su-57, since otherwise it would require a decrease in speed characteristics like the F-35, which without afterburner he cannot fly on supersonic sound and according to this parameter he does not respond to the 5th generation.

    Su-57 is fully consistent with the concept of the Soviet / Russian fighter - maneuverability, speed, long range, powerful radar, and the remainder of the reduced visibility (EPR).

    So, in what place did you see cynicism, the troll is pro-Western ?!

    The United States is not shy about copying Soviet developments, the same F-15 is made on the basis of data obtained as a result of studying the Mig-25 stolen by a traitor in Japan. So why should Russia be shy of something ?!

    Or do you think that in the United States Russian technology is being praised ?!

    I call this a disgrace to Soviet and Russian military propaganda.


    It’s you a disgrace to the Russian people, go lick your boots to NATO warriors, you look to break off a bone from their table.
    1. Republican
      Republican 23 November 2019 14: 22 New
      -13
      "The United States is not shy about copying Soviet developments, the same F-15 is made on the basis of data obtained as a result of studying the Mig-25 stolen by a traitor in Japan. So why should Russia be shy about something ?!"
      Aya ay ay ay ayay to lie thats not good my friend. Who else stole it?



      1. North American Aviation WS-300A fighter-bomber, 1955 design
      2. Interceptor MiG-25, the beginning of design 1958

      Once again hypocrisy and cynicism!

      "But when they talk about the downing of the F-117, they talk about it only as the fact that a modern stealth plane was shot down by an air defense system of the late 50's from a distance of 10 km, and it was discovered from 30 km."

      About the deliberate operation in the already completed war with the aim of spoiling the reputation of the military equipment of the enemy where the F-3 waited 117 months along an already known trajectory with a French infrared head. A powerful operation, of course, I wonder how interesting such traps would be in an extremely full-scale war. Answer: 99% of them fail!
      "It's you a disgrace to the Russian people, go lick your boots to NATO warriors, you look to break off the bone from their table."
      Maybe you should go to the front? I advise you to join the Cheka "Wagner" and with a column of the same haters of America and try to run into the American contingent in Syria. I am sure you will remove your hatred of the United States ...
      1. 30hgsa
        30hgsa 23 November 2019 14: 28 New
        +1
        Oh ... it's just the most fabulous you are :) The Mig-25 is ... alloys. Until then, in the United States it was believed that it was possible to make a fighter with the TTX Mig-25 only from titanium, and blackbirds were made from it. :)
        The line-up is two engines and 2 keels ... it’s not a secret at all and it’s quite readable to yourself :) Saying that someone stole it is like saying that someone stole a round wheel :)
      2. Potato
        Potato 23 November 2019 15: 10 New
        0
        Mig25 and this American prototype have nothing in common except appearance. 25th is purely our, domestic development.
      3. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 23 November 2019 15: 11 New
        +5
        300 North American Aviation WS-1955A Fighter Bomber


        Well, how many such fighter bombers have been made?

        NO ONE!!!

        And if so, how could the USSR steal something that did not exist ?!

        But the success of the MiG-25 is undeniable.

        A plastic plane could be made in the form of a Su-57 and say that this is the development of the USA in the 50s of the USA)))

        About the deliberate operation in the already completed war with the aim of spoiling the reputation of the military equipment of the enemy where the F-3 waited 117 months along an already known trajectory with a French infrared head.


        What the hell are you talking about?! What is the heat head on the rocket ?! Who have been waiting for 3 months ?!

        Serbian air defense in addition to the F-117 shot down also the F-16 and several UAVs and Tomahawk cruise missiles. Is this, in your opinion, also with the aim of spoiling the reputation ?! And the thought that the Serbs defended their country and knocked down everything they could not come to your head, pierced by Western propaganda?

        F-117 was shot down by a 5V27D missile from the S-125 Neva anti-aircraft missile system and there couldn’t be any heat head on the missile, the missile has radio command guidance !!!

        The Yugoslav armed forces were armed with Soviet radars, which operated on longer waves (up to 2 m), but found aircraft with reduced visibility: these were the P-12 Yenisei and P-18 Terek radars. They were the ones who were able to detect "invisible planes."

        That's how it was.

        We arrived at the firing position at about 20 p.m. With the help of special tools we install rockets. The elevation angle is high. Some vibration is felt, and I do not know what is happening in the cockpit. He took the place of assistant to the head of the observation group instead of Major Stoimenov. Dani is in the launcher control unit. Close targets were not found in the air, they are at farther distances at different courses. Suddenly, on the radar, according to the testimony, an object was detected at a 30-degree course, a distance of 195 kilometers. I say: "Dani, he is coming at us!" The object is approaching. At a distance of 23-14 km at a 15-degree course, the commander of the firing group, Lt. Col. Zoltan Dani, ordered the surveillance of the object to begin. Password "Antenna" to turn on the radar. From that moment begins the game of cat and mouse. Within 210 seconds, the radar does not find the target. I order: “Stop the search for the target!” After a few seconds, Dani discovers the target at a rate of 10 degrees at the time of observation. Quite quickly, in a couple of seconds, the installation was rotated several times, however, manual control operators could not catch the object in sight. It is moving, obviously, at a huge angular speed. Surveillance for more than 230 seconds, after which I give the command: “Stop searching for the target!”

        Again we see the target, the course is 240 degrees, the distance is 14 km. The flight path is traced on the radar screen. We are trying to transfer warheads a third time to azimuth 240. Officers unlock the wheels, but the object is lost. I thought that we wouldn’t succeed even this time, when Senior Sergeant Matic exclaimed: “Keep it, keep it, we have it!” The wheels are fixed, the operators discovered the object. Stable tracking mode, course 242 degrees, distance 14,5 km. (...) A support officer reports: azimuth of 250 degrees, a distance of 13 kilometers.

        Dani ordered: "Hit the target with direct fire, launch!" There was an explosion. The first rocket starts, after five seconds the second, the operators work stably. I look at the screen. A bright flash, the explosion of the first rocket near the target. The target is destroyed. I order: "Raise higher!" Distance 10-11 km, course 270 degrees - reported the support officer Muminovich. I look at the radar screen. Panic in the air, everyone fled, the goal is not visible.

        After 20-30 minutes, we got a march preparation team to quickly leave the position. I feel tired, because I did not sleep for two days.

        In the news broadcast on the radio at 22:00 we heard that the F-117A plane was shot down, which crashed in the village of Budanovtsy. We immediately changed shooting position. In our brigade, mood and morale significantly increased. We are still congratulated, the tension has subsided. Sadness is a thing of the past; faith in our capabilities has returned. The residents of the neighboring villages have a real holiday, and they now look at us with great respect.


        Maybe you should go to the front? I advise you to join the Cheka "Wagner"


        I don’t need your skin for your advice, and by the way, I’m a veteran and retired after seniority.
    2. Mimoprohodil
      Mimoprohodil 24 November 2019 17: 14 New
      0
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      the same F-15 is made on the basis of data obtained as a result of studying the Mig-25 stolen by a traitor in Japan.
      Forgot to write that based on data obtained using a time machine. The F-15 flew in 1972, the MiG-25 was hijacked in 1976.
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 23 November 2019 15: 22 New
    +3
    Quote: Republican
    30 Years yelling that "Stealth" ineffective American advertising and then make the 5 generation fighter with Stealth technology

    WITH ELEMENTS stealth technology. And no one screams like mattresses that this is an invisible 80 level.
    Quote: Republican
    Also PAK YES in the style of B-2 do.

    Pf ... PAK YES and B-2 will certainly differ dramatically, like TU-160 and B-1. And to judge only by appearance, these are the judgments of the amateur.
    Quote: Republican
    Here it is the wretchedness of military propaganda when the enemy has what you don’t have and you try to belittle the technology of the enemy,

    Hmm ... a bad case ... I'll start with, are you sure that the stealth technology is so advanced in mattresses in comparison with ours? M.
    The second ... this is not propaganda, but a healthy struggle for sales markets. The mattresses also water their competitors with tons of slop, because we are talking about hundreds of billions of dollars and influence.
  • Voyager
    Voyager 23 November 2019 17: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: Republican
    Stealth Ineffective American Advertising

    Indeed, Stealth is not as effective as the US touts it. Nevertheless, technology is needed, and therefore we have mastered it. Are there any contradictions? There are no contradictions.
    Quote: Republican
    And these people scream about the only F-117 shot down from 7000 sorties, which they hunted for 3 months

    And you agree further. They hunted for three months from an outdated air defense, which the 117th was able to withstand, nothing more.
  • lucul
    lucul 23 November 2019 20: 18 New
    -2
    30 years yelling that "Stealth" is an ineffective American advertisement and then making a 5th generation fighter with Stealth technologies ... I call it a shame Soviet and Russian military propaganda

    Look deeper - to Russian radars - this stealth is perfectly visible (that is, it is no longer a stealth plane). In the same turn, NATO radars have not yet grown up to Russian technology, and they do not see stealth aircraft.))) So why refuse the technology of stealth aircraft if it is not visible on NATO radars? ))).
  • Leon68
    Leon68 24 November 2019 08: 34 New
    0
    This is how you need to be a "woodpecker" to write this? Mericatos put their stealth technology at the forefront, neglecting the rest (speed, over-maneuverability, thrust-to-weight ratio, etc.). And we point it out. Themselves, when creating the Su-57 we use "stealth" not as a panacea, but along the way.
  • K-50
    K-50 23 November 2019 13: 05 New
    +4
    In the period from 2020 to 2028, Rostec is committed to supplying the Sukhoi aircraft plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, where they assemble the serial Su-57, seventy-four sets of composite products.

    That is, you can expect 74 Su-57? It will not be enough, not enough. sad
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 23 November 2019 13: 09 New
      -3
      And why didn’t you put a minus for such a conclusion? They slammed me!))) laughing
    2. 30hgsa
      30hgsa 23 November 2019 13: 35 New
      +1
      F-22 was mass-produced from 2001 to 2008 - 187 production vehicles.
      Su-57 is just in its weight category. 74 cars is normal, given that our military budget is 10 times smaller than that of the United States.
      1. Potato
        Potato 23 November 2019 13: 59 New
        -3
        Well, how to say ... I would like more than 57x, of course.
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    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 November 2019 15: 20 New
      0
      There is a contract for the supply of 76 aircraft, two are already building for this contract and supplying - in the 2024th there will be a new one and so on.
  • Dikson
    Dikson 23 November 2019 13: 47 New
    -2
    That’s 9 cars a year. Comprehensive work ..
  • bars1
    bars1 23 November 2019 15: 00 New
    0
    Quote: K-50
    That is, you can expect 74 Su-57? It will not be enough, not enough.

    Do you remember how many units the first contract for the Su-30SM included? 30 units! From 2012 to 2015 Now Su-30SM more than a hundred. So, taking into account the replacement of junk, the Su-57 will also be built at least a hundred, at least.
  • Gost2012
    Gost2012 23 November 2019 15: 00 New
    0
    Quote: Runoway
    Well, you still remember how they shout that "our life is improving, the economy is growing and there is nothing to sanction"

    ... they also stole pensions ..
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 November 2019 15: 28 New
      0
      Nuda was stolen, especially from those 46 million - who have been retired for a year.
  • Lone gunman
    Lone gunman 23 November 2019 15: 19 New
    -4
    I don’t know, “it will fly, it will not fly”, I have some kind of mistrust in all kinds of “plastics”, especially “Russian” ones, but probably knowledgeable people know more, especially this is a global trend.
  • Cresta999
    Cresta999 23 November 2019 17: 45 New
    -2
    The pace is depressing and revealing. What kind of economy - such and the army. The pale shadow of the Union.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 23 November 2019 19: 15 New
    -2
    Quote: Voyager
    You named the three main parameters of the LTX, but did not mention either speed or thrust-weight ratio ... how is it, Aron? smile

    For modern rockets, it doesn’t matter.
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 24 November 2019 16: 07 New
      0
      How can this be irrelevant if the thrust-to-weight ratio directly affects these very missiles and their number, and the speed of the aircraft during the operational response?
  • VB
    VB 23 November 2019 20: 58 New
    -3
    Now Chemezov will buy more housing in Moscow, and in the West too.
  • Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 23 November 2019 21: 21 New
    +2
    Quote: Cresta999
    The pace is depressing and revealing. What kind of economy - such and the army. The pale shadow of the Union.

    We must live within our means, so as not to end, like the Union.
  • SAG
    SAG 23 November 2019 23: 46 New
    -1
    Quote: Republican
    30 years yelling that "Stealth" is an ineffective American advertisement and then making a 5th generation fighter with Stealth technologies ... I call it a disgrace to Soviet and Russian military propaganda.

    Citizen all-weeping you are either incompetent or lying impudently. Stealth is the English name. In our country, this technology is called LOW-MOVEMENT, not invisibility, as you think. Therefore, no one refuses from the words that the technology is LOW-EFFECTIVE, and not inefficient. The design is designed for a decimeter wave range, and in meter any stealth will glow on the display like a Christmas tree. Therefore, the technology is only effective against older radar models. Developed countries will all do the 6th generation on the concept of the su-57 with MD built into the wings
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 24 November 2019 01: 56 New
    +1
    For 8 years, 74 pieces? Mass production?
  • earth curvature
    earth curvature 24 November 2019 10: 38 New
    -4
    It seems that the side-view radars of the aircraft about which the military and manufacturers spoke so much and colorfully turned out to be a fiction.
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 24 November 2019 16: 10 New
      0
      This is where you get it?
      1. earth curvature
        earth curvature 25 November 2019 12: 31 New
        0
        Look at the empty niches.
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 25 November 2019 13: 20 New
          0
          Radars are installed at the final stage of assembly, therefore they are empty.
          1. earth curvature
            earth curvature 25 November 2019 13: 22 New
            0
            And the cables and connectors too?
            1. Voyager
              Voyager 25 November 2019 14: 34 New
              0
              Take a closer look and see the cables, and only those that are visible from this angle.
              1. earth curvature
                earth curvature 25 November 2019 17: 03 New
                0
                Quote: Voyager
                Take a closer look and see the cables, and only those that are visible from this angle.

                Arrow if not difficult, where to look closely?