Rostec will supply Sukhoi with sets of composite parts for serial Su-57

Rostec and Sukhoi signed a contract for the production of parts and assemblies from polymer composites for fifth-generation serial fighter aircraft Su-57. The production of sets will be engaged in the Obninsk Scientific and Production Enterprise "Technology" named after A.G. Romashina. This was reported by the press service of Rostec.

According to Oleg Yevtushenko, executive director of the state corporation, the signed contract for parts and assemblies made of composites was the first in the framework of cooperation on the production of serial Su-57.

The Rostec enterprise is fully prepared to ensure the fulfillment of tasks. For this, we have the necessary experience, production base and specialists.

- he said.

According to the signed agreement, Rostec, in the period from 2020 to 2028, is obliged to deliver seventy-four sets of composite products to the Sukhoi aircraft plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, where they assemble the serial Su-57. What will be included in the set of parts and assemblies is not reported.

Thanks to the composites, the Su-57 glider was able to be made lightweight and durable, which, combined with other technical characteristics, provides the aircraft with excellent maneuverability. In addition, the use of composites makes the technique invisible to radar

- Said the press service.

Comments

[silverwolf88]

Moving on to serial production) ... this is serious ...
In parallel, work is underway on modernization and deep improvements ... so in the next 10 years it will be necessary to carefully monitor the information in order to understand which SU57 is in front of us (such stories in aviation are common)

[Voyager]

Nevertheless, in aviation this is not a common thing. For modernization, as a rule, their ROCs are carried out and the heterogeneity of the specimens leads to high fragmentation, which impedes stable mass production. As a result, the process is delayed and more expensive. And it is also unclear how to service fighters with different design features.

The look is formed now and here, so it will be serial. The maximum that can be changed later is to equip in the future with a new engine.

[Igluxnumx]

You've probably never heard the term "revision"? And that revision is being carried out regardless of the location of a particular side? And as for a lot of things ... It was in the USSR, it will be now.

[Mountain shooter]

This information leaves no doubt - they took up the release in earnest. And you shouldn't compare it with thousands of "penguins" ... This is an airplane of a different class and other capabilities. Time will tell which is more correct ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

This information leaves no doubt - they took up the release in earnest. And you shouldn't compare it with thousands of "penguins" ... This is an airplane of a different class and other capabilities. Time will tell which is more correct ...

I would compare the three main performance characteristics of serial avionics, EPR and radar. Interesting after all.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

LTX for serial avionics, electronic ballasts and radar

Who can tell the truth? Especially in EPR? The most difficult parameter to check. Well, it is very dependent on the wavelength of the radar. Yes, and a lot can be said on the radar ... Unreliable. "All-crushing invisibility" is the dream of any pilot. And how far has it been achieved? Invisibility and powerful radar are parameters that interfere with each other. As I turned on the radar - so it was indicated - "I'm here" !!!

[Nick]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

I would compare the three main performance characteristics of serial avionics, EPR and radar. Interesting all the same

I would not call these characteristics the main LTH

[kit88]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

I would compare the three main performance characteristics of serial avionics, EPR and radar. Interesting all the same

How did you "quite by accident" forget about what Russians do best? Engine. Super maneuverability.
Otherwise, it’s not a fighter, but an airship.
By the way avionics and "radar" are like one included in the other.

[Voyager]

You named the three main parameters of the LTX, but did not mention either speed or thrust-weight ratio ... how is it, Aron?

[aszzz888]

Voyager (Andrey) Yesterday, 17: 33
+3
You named the three main parameters of the LTX, but did not mention either speed or thrust-weight ratio ... how is it, Aron? smile

You won’t get an answer. The work is carried out strictly according to the training manual - to systematically spoil Russia with all available, and inaccessible ways and methods. And they have one method - written in conjunction with the merikatos. So the development of its shekels is according to their joint plan.

[Tony]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

I would compare the three main performance characteristics of serial avionics, EPR and radar. Interesting after all.

Is the radar not included in the avionics? You are wrong, "comrade" from Israel. The radar is part of the avionics, so put it right ...

[aszzz888]

Tony (Tony) Yesterday, 21: 02
+4
Quote: Aaron Zawi
I would compare the three main performance characteristics of serial avionics, EPR and radar. Interesting after all.

Is the radar not included in the avionics? You are wrong, "comrade" from Israel. The radar is part of the avionics, so put it right ...

And this "comrade" from Israel. " if only they dunk Russia in the mud, and then at least eat bacon.

[Waddimm]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

three main performance characteristics of serial avionics, electronic ballasts and radar.

Why do you consider these characteristics to be fundamental?

[Potato]

I saw a stand and spoke with someone, if I remember correctly, from the Obninsk NPO Tech a couple of years ago at an exhibition in Moscow. At the site of the old Moskvich factory, in the technology park. What they had there - it was cool - honeycomb polymer structures, for example. And metal ones. Very light, stiff and durable. In short, I was impressed. In general - they are solid and competent people. I think that everything will be done as it should)

[Alexey LK]

Quote: Potato

that everything will do as it should

But for some reason there are problems for the MS-21. It’s strange if they could do for the Su-57 - are there really less high-tech materials there? Or is it a matter of cost? Like, it’s not important for military equipment ...

[Thrifty]

It is interesting, but does this information have some volume, limited for distribution, or, more simply, do not blur out in this way information that contains elements of state secrets? ??

[The leader of the Redskins]

That is, it can be virtually assumed that in eight years about 74 production aircraft will be created. This is already something concrete.

[Voyager]

76 aircraft. And they will be delivered on time.

[spectr]

We will see. As production practice shows, the first year is an opa. Establishment of production and relations with suppliers has so many nuances that most often in the first year new terms are missed. And in subsequent years, we have to catch up.
As an example, the best personnel of the enterprise are usually "thrown" into the development and release of a prototype (due to tight deadlines). And when the series begins, everyone is connected. And there can be all sorts of "personnel".

[Voyager]

And as practice shows, KnAAPO has never missed a deadline for the past tens of years.

[Runoway]

Well, you still remember how they shout that "our life is improving, the economy is growing and there are no sanctions."

[maidan.izrailovich]

... our life is improving, the economy is growing ....

We are happy for you.
But what does this have to do with the topic of aircraft manufacturing in Russia?

[Macdidi]

I see from my family, from my friends and relatives, from my hometown that you are lying impudently. I do not understand why? Together with the rest (whiners) whining about everything is bad? Or for the sake of pluses in the Liberty to stay?

[Nastia makarova]

and you that life is getting worse?

[Potato]

Ak47 and Akm I did not confuse, ale!

Su35 from 90s and Su35 modern are much different. Here I did not argue anywhere. 35th of 90s and su27 also have a different glider. Even the 27s of different years of release and modifications are different planes. So what?

[30hgsa]

Well, yes, you argued with us that AKMS-47 (what it is I did not understand so far), this is an AK with a folding butt :)

You said that the Su-35S is an airplane that was created in the 90s :) Memory is stressful, the main thing is straining memory while sitting on the toilet, so as not to crap again :)

[Potato]

But the su35s was not created in the 90s? Oh well...)))

[30hgsa]

No, the Su-35S was created in the 2000s :) The first flight - 2008.
You streamline, do not be shy :)

[Potato]

Su35 was created in 2000, but wasn’t created in the 90s?)) But what about its engine, for example, Al41f1s? When was it created? And his weapons - rockets p27, p73 and p77 - what is this? Where is it from? But his radar - the snow leopard - yes, I agree, from the program that started in 2000m

[30hgsa]

AL41F1S was created in the 2000s, but if you reproduce your flawed logic and assume that evolutionary changes do not matter ... then the T-90 was created in the 30s, because the B-92 continues the B-line (12 cylinder V-swatches ) which is based on B-2 :)

[Potato]

Opa!) So you, therefore, agree that the newest Su35 flies on engines from the 90s and shoots rockets from them?)))

[Voyager]

Of course, the Su-35 flies on engines from the 90s, just like the F-22s and F-35s fly on engines from the 70s, because their vaunted engines are similarly built on the basis of the PW F100 from the same 70s. These are the things, Antosha. A curtain.

[Voyager]

To you in black and white, I and other people wrote that in the 90s the Su-35 with the T-10M code was created. It was a deep modernization of the 27th glider with PGO and air brake.

That Su-35, which was developed in the 2000s, is lip-read: perfect. other. plane. It was also referred to as the Su-35BM. With big changes in the design of the classic airframe and several times different parameters.

[30hgsa]

So this is a trololo, it makes no sense in a serious conversation with him, only to catch the lulz on it :)

[loki565]

Conclusion anti-adviser - always Russophobe

[Potato]

I agree. Anti-Soviet almost always Russophobia. And among them there are a lot of cheers-patrietics - a sneak of the current regime.

[Sky strike fighter]

People are hypocritical and dumb. Especially cheap patriotic cheers

How much is a kilogram of potatoes today? Give me a couple of kilograms. But seriously, then Potato, stop buzit.And then you will be taken to a detox soon.

who do not have their own opinion, memory and conscience, who simply repeat the words of propaganda

People have their own opinion, you just don’t like it, because it runs counter to the opinion of the Washington Regional Committee, but these are your problems, not ours. We think the way we want. And we don’t dance to the American tune, to their propaganda. personally you are dancing.
There is memory. There would be no memory, then we would not have celebrated MAY 9 and there would be no IMMORTAL REGION.
I don’t understand why did you decide that we don’t have a conscience? Before whom? We have no conscience before the hegemon? Have they flown off the coils? Are we stopping someone from organizing bloody hegemony? Oh poor hegemon. Well, how can we see this? We have no conscience. But the hegemon has a conscience when in the blood of Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, the list can be continued, and is it all his business?

[Potato]

You have a Phashington regional committee of the brain, dear.

May 9th is also a holy day for me. Both of my grandfathers are war veterans. And I remember and proud of the feat of the great Soviet people, and their homeland - the USSR.

And the current government of the oligarchs simply clung to this glory. At the same time managing to vulgarize her. But personally, everything suits you, apparently. Well then ...

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Potato

You have a Phashington regional committee of the brain, dear.

May 9th is also a holy day for me. Both of my grandfathers are war veterans. And I remember and proud of the feat of the great Soviet people, and their homeland - the USSR.

And the current government of the oligarchs simply clung to this glory. At the same time managing to vulgarize her. But personally, everything suits you, apparently. Well then ...

Today you’re undercooked.

[30hgsa]

"nor served" is written with "not". But this is not the main thing ... Stalin did not serve in the army :) If that. He received his first combat experience only in civilian life as a member of the RVS (front if I am not mistaken).

[Potato]

I am writing from the phone, and I'm not comfortable. Not serving a day had in mind. Although Stalin did not serve, he would give a head start to many servants. And the stool with the hand in front of the empty head - the future felon - the current minister - is that ?! Do you have any questions in all this action?

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Potato

Campaign, you are a cheap sell, which applauds when the Victory Parade is received by a person who has not served in the army for a single day, or even a civil criminal. When Lenin's mausoleum is shyly covered with cardboard, and mummers are sitting in the stands with the "leader". And then they carry vehicles across the square in front of them, which the army has never seen. Well, yes, hurray-patriotic they are such hypocrites ...

Quote: Potato

I am writing from the phone, and I'm not comfortable. Not serving a day had in mind. Although Stalin did not serve, he would give a head start to many servants. And the stool with the hand in front of the empty head - the future felon - the current minister - is that ?! Do you have any questions in all this action?

Quote: Potato

Ahaha, there you go! The people, looking, the patriotic 30hgsa turned out to be a kremlebotik darned) on the one hand, it is supposedly for patriotism, and on the other, about the mausoleum or stool, it is not supposed to write to him on a duty of a trolly agreement!) Only to curry)))

It reminds me of something between the notes from the insane asylum and the tone when someone forgot to put on a muzzle.

Dear visitors of the site. Caution! Wicked Potato! Howls without warning. Beware !!!

[30hgsa]

Come on, he’s funny and harmless potato, but the potato has no teeth. Look Republican below - that scares me :) That really campaign everything is difficult with the psyche :)

[Vadim237]

And you apparently have insanity on the verge of schizophrenia.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Potato

Now wretched penguins will rush to minus

Quote: 30hgsa

It says a woodpecker

I join the second speaker.

Antoshka - go dig potatoes ... here it doesn’t shine for you, a campaign

[Piramidon]

Quote: Potato

People are hypocritical and dumb.

One Antokha is truthful and sharp.

Now wretched penguins will rush to minus

He also considers himself outstanding. Do not die of self-praise.

[Pup1]

They laughed ... the republican cries further .... we have poplars and co. we have enough .... stealth and other mess like aug is leveled out by this .... sorry for the amers ... lokhanunulis ...

[loki565]

F117 is a poor project that has no potential for modernization, so it was sent to the scrap))) the stealth of aircraft was worked out both in the USSR and in Russia, experimented with both the shape of the fuselage and with special. coatings. But unlike the F117, this was not done to the detriment of the aircraft's flight qualities. As for Yugoslavia, the air defense was completely suppressed by cruise missiles, but not as "stealth" irons.

[30hgsa]

Subsonic bomber F-117 gave way to F-22? :))))) Have a drink for the glycine. You need.

[Republican]

That is, a less perfect Stealth cannot give way to a more perfect Stealth? Sometimes phenomenal logic is encountered in VO. I hope you are aware that the F-117 is not the only tactical strike aircraft in the US Air Force? I just hint that the F-117 was not the main drummer, it was like a highly specialized fighter! Have you ever read anything about the F-117? Well, there is a history of creation, history of combat use, features and situations of their use? I have a feeling that you only know about him from the broadcasts on Ren-TV and all sorts of freak shows like "strike force" and "military acceptance" if this is so, then I am sincerely sorry for you.

[30hgsa]

Glycine. Tablets. Go to the doctor, say they say you have problems with your head. Prescribe treatment. F-22 - a fighter for gaining superiority in the air. F-117 - drummer (and even dull as a drummer), not adapted for aerial combat in any way.
F-117 and F-22 have different niches, saying that F-117 has replaced F-22 is like saying that the Mi-2 replaced the Po-15. But first, to the doctor, without a course of therapy, you will not understand :)

[Republican]

The first flight took place on June 18, 1981. 64 units were produced, the last production copy was delivered by the US Air Force in 1990.
F-117 has been used quite successfully in a number of military conflicts. In mid-2008, aircraft of this type were completely withdrawn from service, mainly due to the adoption of the F-22 Raptor.

Not a man does not even understand hints! We’ll try it right, suddenly it’s a ride! And so the patient follow the words and their sequences! When I say that the F-117 is not the only drummer in the US Air Force, it means that it performed the role of NOT THE ONLY Drummer, but which conclusion follows from this? Correctly a demonstrator of Stealth technology in combat conditions and during operation due to the fact that they were made by 64 copies and not hundreds! And so now the question is, what the hell is it to contain the F-117 if the F-22 appeared in service and in addition to it soon, but already (455 units have been produced) F-35s? Now strain your brains and draw a conclusion! I understand that it is extremely difficult for you to do it, but try it!

[30hgsa]

Well, they contained F-2008 until 117, when it was already under 200 F-22, why? :)))
And they did not produce F-117s since 1990, while the first F-22 took off only in 1997 :)
Maybe because these are generally different cars and about different things? :) F-117, more precisely, it’s not a machine at all, it’s right, a technology demonstrator, squalor, not intended for military use and used only for PR, and UNDER F-15 PROTECTION :))))))
The F-22 is a completely different machine - it is a fighter for gaining superiority in the air with IWT, supersonic and some stealth technologies :)) Moreover, the stealth is greatly truncated since it is in addition to LTX - the idea was stealth in favor of reducing visibility / reducing detection range not to the detriment of LTH.
Zadornov was right, what stupid Americans are :) Dumber than only their six on the suction.

[IGOR GORDEEV]

Quote: 30hgsa

Glycine. Tablets. Go to the doctor, say they say you have problems with your head.

[Voyager]

David, you don't have to get into topics that you don't understand. For starters, the F-117 cannot yield to the F-22 in any way or in anything, because they are completely different aircraft. Different in type, class and purpose of use. It is also important to understand the term "perfect", which you use in relation to stealth. After all, oh my God, the effective dispersion area of ​​the F-22 is suddenly HIGHER than that of the F-117, which means that it is visible on the radar better than the F-117 despite the "more advanced" stealth technology of the F-22. Moreover, there is nothing surprising in this and it can be easily explained, one has only to look at these two planes and puzzle over what solutions are applied in each of them. You are just an ordinary victim of US propaganda and advertising

[loki565]

30 years?))) Well, yes, if the F16 was a good aircraft with great modernization potential, then it is still produced and sold around the world. But F 117 didn’t show himself anywhere, and after he was shot down in Yugoslavia, they only started shooting in the movies))) well, your efforts to lick the fifth point of the USA only confirm the opinion: the anti-Soviet is always Russophobe)))

[30hgsa]

Not so, the F-117 was completely discontinued in 2008. Despite the fact that it was adopted in the 80s. Only here is such a thing. goblin production ceased in 1990 (almost immediately after adoption):) and they were in service according to the principle - in vain did they invest money :) But formally they stood in service for about 20 years.

[Potato]

And where did you get the idea that f117 is a miserable project? They were not sent to the scrap, but sent for conservation because they are already ancient. In the battle, they proved to be normal and almost did not suffer any losses. Some of them are still in active use despite the antiquity and the availability of modern, more advanced analogues.

[neri73-r]

Quote: Potato

And where did you get the idea that f117 is a miserable project? They were not sent to the scrap, but sent for conservation because they are already ancient. In the battle, they proved to be normal and almost did not suffer any losses. Some of them are still in active use despite the antiquity and the availability of modern, more advanced analogues.

Too shy to ask in what battle?

[30hgsa]

Yes, the F-117 is ineffective and the machine that was withdrawn from service, and why is it inefficient, because the stele does not solve anything at all? No, stealth offers certain advantages, exactly what are certain, but stealth cannot be sacrificed for LTX, which the goblin had no + huge maintenance problems. Well, the percentage of losses is low ... so they were cherished like the apple of an eye :) All the work was done by the F-15, and the goblins only PR.

and the B-2 is also bad not because the stealth doesn’t solve at all, it does in some situations, but it cannot break through the Soviet air defense of the B-2 :) But the stealth was sacrificed a huge cost, as a result - they fly to missions mainly B-52 , and B-2 are in the hangars and do piarudary sometimes :)

So the shame is in your head. Both the USSR and the Russian Federation made the RIGHT conclusion that stealth technology in the 80s and 90s led to a DECREASING of the real combat capabilities of the aircraft. As a result, even the F-22, compared to the F-117, is not very good :) I had to abandon the concept of "invisibility" and go to a certain decrease in the RCS from some angles, not to the detriment of the flight characteristics :)

[Republican]

7000 sorties it is called cherished like the apple of an eye? Why such incredible confidence in the Soviet-Russian air defense? Which is cheaper? 1000 cruise missiles or standard air defense? What is the point of making a B-21 Rider if "EXPERT S VO" writes to me that the B-2, F-35, F-22 and the future B-21 cannot break through the echelated air defense of the Russian Federation? Probably they are sitting in the Pentagon who, in 1991 in the Persian Gulf, showed how to iron a misaligned air defense system! And stop it is impossible to call them idiots too implausible, but I remembered that Russian propaganda has an answer to this "PENTAGON PILITS BABLO". Know every time I hear something from the category: "Stealth cannot break through air defense", "The Pentagon drank the loot", "our weapons are cheaper and better than American" this is not some generally accepted fact or an objective conclusion, but a prayer or a spell, which every Russian person pronounces every morning, day and night! Directly somewhat reminiscent of the propaganda of the USSR from the category: "Unbreakable Union", "The Red Army is the Strongest of All", "Communism and Socialism is the future", "Communism will come in 1980". Isn't it such a funny and ironic analogy?

[30hgsa]

Firstly, 7000 is nonsense :)
Secondly, it all depends on the target, it is one thing to bomb in the conditions of anti-aircraft defense, and another to bomb an object cleared from air defense.
Thirdly, shutters with the number of sorties of other vehicles.
Fourth, stop the tantrum. :)

[Republican]

Of course nonsense is for you, because it's hard to believe without awareness. Let me also write that the air defense of Iraq was built by primates and not by Soviet air defense specialists. Write to me that you are right because it is customary to think in VO. Write that saws are also sitting in the Pentagon. Well, I see you want to do it, but you don't want to show yourself an uneducated cheer patriot! Just the same, taking into account the statistics of the accident at home, each F-117 has an average of 31000 flying hours and there were 64 rather than 187 like the F-22 or 455 (at the moment) F-35s. Any air defense is defenseless against a massive attack by cruise missiles, the Americans realized this back in the 1970s and 80s, so they did not make Saint Grall out of air defense as some did and began to develop the strike potential of their aircraft. In total, we have more than 7000+ cruise missiles for various purposes. And this is without any undue burden on the US military-industrial complex, which is capable of delivering tremendous production indicators for armaments, which was shown by World War II! You don’t have to invent a hysteria, I’m writing the truth, which you don’t like and don’t want to recognize in addition!

[30hgsa]

Enchanting stream of consciousness on three different topics. :) Schizophasia in places ...
So I see how drooling fan on the monitor whip :)
By the way, yes, in the Pentagon there are also those saw cutters, ours before them ... ours are like small children here :)
Proof of 7000 will be a hysterical girl? :) Maybe, by the way, in vain I'm driving a wave at you, maybe you just have an ICP?

[30hgsa]

1300 sorties during a desert storm, wow? This is when 1000 flights a day were, yes - cool :) By the way, an awesome source - Cohen’s testimony in the congressional committee, which defended the F-117 after it was shot down in Yugoslavia :) A very unbiased and authoritative source. Will you shake a test tube for greater authority or immediately eggs? :)

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

And this is without any undue burden on the US military-industrial complex, which is capable of delivering tremendous production indicators for armaments, which was shown by World War II!

The US military budget is more than 700 billion dollars a year, despite the fact that the US budget deficit is approaching 1 trillion dollars a year, and the US public debt has already exceeded 22 trillion dollars !!!

The shelf life of missiles is limited, about 10 years, of course you can still extend it, but
it also costs money.

So what about

And this is without any kind of excessive load

you bent the troll.

[Vadim237]

Stealth technologies give little noticeability - but not invisibility.

[Potato]

Stealth technology makes it harder to hit missiles with infrared or radar guidance on such aircraft. About the complete invisibility of speech and does not go.

[Voyager]

Low ESR does not affect IR seeker.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Voyager

Low ESR does not affect IR seeker

By the way, yes

IR - it's on temperature, mostly

[AVA77]

Why only Soviet and Russian propaganda? Start with ancient Russia. If you pour shit on Russia, pour it to the end.

[Republican]

Does it hurt my eyes? It's not nice to read the bitter truth is it? Recognize whether you are too weak a person to recognize the obvious military propaganda shame of your country? I would still like to see competent answers from you to my comments from you, if you are incapable of this, then your opinion is not worth a penny!

[AVA77]

Recognize in a condition or you are too weak a person to recognize the obvious (Che) if it is not capable. (Maybe you are Chinese) Or does Klitschko write texts for you? What school did you attend? Take her down.

[Republican]

This is powerful! I don’t even understand that I wrote this is a new level of my interlocutors at VO. Honestly I didn’t expect, I thought people here are able to read, but it’s like ...

[AVA77]

People are here, they can read everything. But not everyone can write correctly, Do not dishonor my Language, write in English.

[AVA77]

This is powerful! I don’t even understand what I wrote (ZPT). This is a new level of my interlocutors at VO. Honestly, I did not expect (zpt), I thought people here can read (zpt), but it’s like ...

[Republican]

Clearly "tongue emoticon" is your answer? Clearly another poor fellow ...

[AVA77]

The impression that you are guessing on emoticons. And what do emoticons say?

[Sky strike fighter]

I would still like to see competent answers from you to my comments from you, if you are incapable of this, then your opinion is not worth a penny!

A competent comment on your mental torment can only be obscene. You would go to the doctor, heal the nerves. A man with an invaluable opinion?

[Republican]

Well, will the answer be competent or is it extremely difficult to formulate such an answer? Maxim, you disappoint me, I thought you, as usual, would throw a couple of links to the worthless yellow press and the opinions of "pseudo-experts" or, at worst, give out your not objective opinion. Work badly! Your country needs competent propaganda and you let it down, eh. ..

[gost2012]

Would you already go ... to your censor, there all this, about shame and so on

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Republican

Well, will the answer be competent or is it extremely difficult to formulate such an answer? Maxim, you disappoint me, I thought you, as usual, would throw a couple of links to the worthless yellow press and the opinions of "pseudo-experts" or, at worst, give out your not objective opinion. Work badly! Your country needs competent propaganda and you let it down, eh. ..

Doctors you certainly will not disappoint. A copy worthy of a congress of doctors from all over the country.

7000 sorties called cherished as the apple of an eye?

In total, we have more than 7000+ cruise missiles for various purposes.

Total we have a ready-made patient, with his favorite figure of 7000.

Maxim, you disappoint me, I thought you, as usual, would throw a couple of links to the worthless yellow press and the opinions of "pseudo-experts" or, at worst, give out your not objective opinion. Work badly! Your country needs competent propaganda and you let it down, eh. ..

The clinic that will cure you can safely claim the title of the best medical institution in the country, in which clients will be recorded for several years in advance.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

And now these people scream about the only downed F-117 out of 7000 sorties

And you do not want to compare the forces of the parties of Yugoslavia and the NATO countries for a start ?!

But when they talk about the downing of the F-117, they talk about it only as the fact that a modern stealth plane was shot down by an air defense system of the late 50's from a distance of 10 km, and from 30 km it was discovered.

at the same time they will not wait for their "Stealth" - and impatiently

Su-57 is not just a stealth, namely a 5th generation fighter. The fifth generation includes fighters in terms of speed without afterburner, radar with AFAR and stealth (low ESR), and the latter criterion was paid less attention to the Su-57, since otherwise it would require a decrease in speed characteristics like the F-35, which without afterburner he cannot fly on supersonic sound and according to this parameter he does not respond to the 5th generation.

Su-57 is fully consistent with the concept of the Soviet / Russian fighter - maneuverability, speed, long range, powerful radar, and the remainder of the reduced visibility (EPR).

So, in what place did you see cynicism, the troll is pro-Western ?!

The United States is not shy about copying Soviet developments, the same F-15 is made on the basis of data obtained as a result of studying the Mig-25 stolen by a traitor in Japan. So why should Russia be shy of something ?!

Or do you think that in the United States Russian technology is being praised ?!

I call this a disgrace to Soviet and Russian military propaganda.

It’s you a disgrace to the Russian people, go lick your boots to NATO warriors, you look to break off a bone from their table.

[Republican]

"The United States does not hesitate to copy Soviet developments, the same F-15 is made on the basis of data obtained as a result of studying the MiG-25 stolen by a traitor to Japan. So why should Russia be ashamed of something ?!"
Aya ay ay ay ayay to lie thats not good my friend. Who else stole it?

1. North American Aviation WS-300A fighter-bomber, 1955 design
2. Interceptor MiG-25, the beginning of design 1958

Once again hypocrisy and cynicism!

"But when they talk about the downing of the F-117, they talk about it only as the fact that a modern stealth aircraft was shot down by an air defense missile system developed in the late 50s from a distance of 10 km, and from 30 km it was found."

About the deliberate operation in the already completed war with the aim of spoiling the reputation of the military equipment of the enemy where the F-3 waited 117 months along an already known trajectory with a French infrared head. A powerful operation, of course, I wonder how interesting such traps would be in an extremely full-scale war. Answer: 99% of them fail!
"You are the shame of the Russian people, go lick the boots of the NATO warriors, you look to break off your bone from their table."
Maybe it's time for you to go to the front? I advise you to join the Cheka "Wagner" and with a column of the same haters of America and try to run into the American contingent in Syria. I'm sure you will hide your hatred of the USA ...

[30hgsa]

Oh ... it's just the most fabulous you are :) The Mig-25 is ... alloys. Until then, in the United States it was believed that it was possible to make a fighter with the TTX Mig-25 only from titanium, and blackbirds were made from it. :)
The line-up is two engines and 2 keels ... it’s not a secret at all and it’s quite readable to yourself :) Saying that someone stole it is like saying that someone stole a round wheel :)

[Potato]

Mig25 and this American prototype have nothing in common except appearance. 25th is purely our, domestic development.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

300 North American Aviation WS-1955A Fighter Bomber

Well, how many such fighter bombers have been made?

NO ONE!!!

And if so, how could the USSR steal something that did not exist ?!

But the success of the MiG-25 is undeniable.

A plastic plane could be made in the form of a Su-57 and say that this is the development of the USA in the 50s of the USA)))

About the deliberate operation in the already completed war with the aim of spoiling the reputation of the military equipment of the enemy where the F-3 waited 117 months along an already known trajectory with a French infrared head.

What the hell are you talking about?! What is the heat head on the rocket ?! Who have been waiting for 3 months ?!

Serbian air defense in addition to the F-117 shot down also the F-16 and several UAVs and Tomahawk cruise missiles. Is this, in your opinion, also with the aim of spoiling the reputation ?! And the thought that the Serbs defended their country and knocked down everything they could not come to your head, pierced by Western propaganda?

F-117 was shot down by a 5V27D missile from the S-125 Neva anti-aircraft missile system and there couldn’t be any heat head on the missile, the missile has radio command guidance !!!

The Yugoslav armed forces were armed with Soviet radars, which operated on longer waves (up to 2 m), but found aircraft with reduced visibility: these were the P-12 Yenisei and P-18 Terek radars. They were the ones who were able to detect "invisible planes."

That's how it was.

We arrived at the firing position at about 20 p.m. With the help of special tools we install rockets. The elevation angle is high. Some vibration is felt, and I do not know what is happening in the cockpit. He took the place of assistant to the head of the observation group instead of Major Stoimenov. Dani is in the launcher control unit. Close targets were not found in the air, they are at farther distances at different courses. Suddenly, on the radar, according to the testimony, an object was detected at a 30-degree course, a distance of 195 kilometers. I say: "Dani, he is coming at us!" The object is approaching. At a distance of 23-14 km at a 15-degree course, the commander of the firing group, Lt. Col. Zoltan Dani, ordered the surveillance of the object to begin. Password "Antenna" to turn on the radar. From that moment begins the game of cat and mouse. Within 210 seconds, the radar does not find the target. I order: “Stop the search for the target!” After a few seconds, Dani discovers the target at a rate of 10 degrees at the time of observation. Quite quickly, in a couple of seconds, the installation was rotated several times, however, manual control operators could not catch the object in sight. It is moving, obviously, at a huge angular speed. Surveillance for more than 230 seconds, after which I give the command: “Stop searching for the target!”

Again we see the target, the course is 240 degrees, the distance is 14 km. The flight path is traced on the radar screen. We are trying to transfer warheads a third time to azimuth 240. Officers unlock the wheels, but the object is lost. I thought that we wouldn’t succeed even this time, when Senior Sergeant Matic exclaimed: “Keep it, keep it, we have it!” The wheels are fixed, the operators discovered the object. Stable tracking mode, course 242 degrees, distance 14,5 km. (...) A support officer reports: azimuth of 250 degrees, a distance of 13 kilometers.

Dani ordered: "Hit the target with direct fire, launch!" There was an explosion. The first rocket starts, after five seconds the second, the operators work stably. I look at the screen. A bright flash, the explosion of the first rocket near the target. The target is destroyed. I order: "Raise higher!" Distance 10-11 km, course 270 degrees - reported the support officer Muminovich. I look at the radar screen. Panic in the air, everyone fled, the goal is not visible.

After 20-30 minutes, we got a march preparation team to quickly leave the position. I feel tired, because I did not sleep for two days.

In the news broadcast on the radio at 22:00 we heard that the F-117A plane was shot down, which crashed in the village of Budanovtsy. We immediately changed shooting position. In our brigade, mood and morale significantly increased. We are still congratulated, the tension has subsided. Sadness is a thing of the past; faith in our capabilities has returned. The residents of the neighboring villages have a real holiday, and they now look at us with great respect.

Maybe it's time for you to go to the front? I advise you to join the Cheka "Wagner"

I don’t need your skin for your advice, and by the way, I’m a veteran and retired after seniority.

[Mimoprohodil]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

the same F-15 is made on the basis of data obtained as a result of studying the Mig-25 stolen by a traitor in Japan.

Forgot to write that based on data obtained using a time machine. The F-15 flew in 1972, the MiG-25 was hijacked in 1976.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Republican

30 Years of yelling that Stealth is ineffective American advertising and then making a 5th generation fighter with Stealth technology

WITH ELEMENTS stealth technology. And no one screams like mattresses that this is an invisible 80 level.

Quote: Republican

Also PAK YES in the style of B-2 do.

Pf ... PAK YES and B-2 will certainly differ dramatically, like TU-160 and B-1. And to judge only by appearance, these are the judgments of the amateur.

Quote: Republican

Here it is the wretchedness of military propaganda when the enemy has what you don’t have and you try to belittle the technology of the enemy,

Hmm ... a bad case ... I'll start with, are you sure that the stealth technology is so advanced in mattresses in comparison with ours? M.
The second ... this is not propaganda, but a healthy struggle for sales markets. The mattresses also water their competitors with tons of slop, because we are talking about hundreds of billions of dollars and influence.

[Voyager]

Quote: Republican

"Stealth" ineffective American advertising

Indeed, Stealth is not as effective as the US touts it. Nevertheless, technology is needed, and therefore we have mastered it. Are there any contradictions? There are no contradictions.

Quote: Republican

And these people scream about the only F-117 shot down from 7000 sorties, which they hunted for 3 months

And you agree further. They hunted for three months from an outdated air defense, which the 117th was able to withstand, nothing more.

[lucul]

30 Years yelling that Stealth is ineffective American advertising and then making a 5th generation fighter with Stealth technology ... I call it a shame Soviet and Russian war propaganda

Look deeper - to Russian radars - this stealth is perfectly visible (that is, it is no longer a stealth plane). In the same turn, NATO radars have not yet grown up to Russian technology, and they do not see stealth aircraft.))) So why refuse the technology of stealth aircraft if it is not visible on NATO radars? ))).

[Leon68]

What kind of "woodpecker" you have to be to write this? Merikatos put their stealth technology at the forefront, neglecting the rest (speed, super-maneuverability, thrust-to-weight ratio, etc.). And we point this out. Sami, when creating the Su-57, we use stealth not as a panacea, but along the way.

[K-50]

In the period from 2020 to 2028, Rostec undertakes to supply seventy-four sets of composite products to the Sukhoi aircraft plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, where serial Su-57s are assembled.

That is, you can expect 74 Su-57? It will not be enough, not enough.

[The leader of the Redskins]

And why didn’t you put a minus for such a conclusion? They slammed me!)))

[30hgsa]

F-22 was mass-produced from 2001 to 2008 - 187 production vehicles.
Su-57 is just in its weight category. 74 cars is normal, given that our military budget is 10 times smaller than that of the United States.

[Potato]

Well, how to say ... I would like more than 57x, of course.

[Vadim237]

There is a contract for the supply of 76 aircraft, two are already building for this contract and supplying - in the 2024th there will be a new one and so on.

[Dikson]

That’s 9 cars a year. Comprehensive work ..

[bars1]

Quote: K-50

That is, you can expect 74 Su-57? It will not be enough, not enough.

Do you remember how many units the first contract for the Su-30SM included? 30 units! From 2012 to 2015 Now Su-30SM more than a hundred. So, taking into account the replacement of junk, the Su-57 will also be built at least a hundred, at least.

[gost2012]

Quote: Runoway

Well, you still remember how they shout that "our life is improving, the economy is growing and there are no sanctions."

... they also stole pensions ..

[Vadim237]

Nuda was stolen, especially from those 46 million - who have been retired for a year.

[Lone gunman]

I don’t know, "it will fly, it will not fly," I have some distrust of all "plastics", especially "Russian" ones, but probably knowledgeable people know more, especially since this is a global trend.

[Cresta999]

The pace is depressing and revealing. What kind of economy - such and the army. The pale shadow of the Union.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Voyager

You named the three main parameters of the LTX, but did not mention either speed or thrust-weight ratio ... how is it, Aron?

For modern rockets, it doesn’t matter.

[Voyager]

How can this be irrelevant if the thrust-to-weight ratio directly affects these very missiles and their number, and the speed of the aircraft during the operational response?

[VB]

Now Chemezov will buy more housing in Moscow, and in the West too.

[Lena Petrova]

Quote: Cresta999

The pace is depressing and revealing. What kind of economy - such and the army. The pale shadow of the Union.

We must live within our means, so as not to end, like the Union.

[SAG]

Quote: Republican

30 Years of yelling that Stealth is ineffective American advertising and then making a 5th generation fighter with Stealth technology ... I call it a disgrace of Soviet and Russian war propaganda.

Citizen all-weeping you are either incompetent or lying impudently. Stealth is the English name. In our country, this technology is called LOW-MOVEMENT, not invisibility, as you think. Therefore, no one refuses from the words that the technology is LOW-EFFECTIVE, and not inefficient. The design is designed for a decimeter wave range, and in meter any stealth will glow on the display like a Christmas tree. Therefore, the technology is only effective against older radar models. Developed countries will all do the 6th generation on the concept of the su-57 with MD built into the wings

[Vasyan1971]

For 8 years, 74 pieces? Mass production?

[earth curvature]

It seems that the side-view radars of the aircraft about which the military and manufacturers spoke so much and colorfully turned out to be a fiction.

[Voyager]

This is where you get it?

[earth curvature]

Look at the empty niches.

[Voyager]

Radars are installed at the final stage of assembly, therefore they are empty.

[earth curvature]

And the cables and connectors too?

[Voyager]

Take a closer look and see the cables, and only those that are visible from this angle.

[earth curvature]

Quote: Voyager

Take a closer look and see the cables, and only those that are visible from this angle.

Arrow if not difficult, where to look closely?