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Lavrov reminded Japan of the clause of the 1956 declaration of the year on the need to withdraw US troops

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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov spoke about the barriers that impede the conclusion of a full-fledged peace treaty between the Russian Federation and Japan. Recall that earlier, Vladimir Putin proposed to Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to conclude such an agreement without any additional conditions. However, Tokyo refused this proposal, saying that the text should contain a clause on the "return" of the South Kuril Islands. Recall that Shikotan, Iturup, Habomai and Kunashir in Japan continue to be called their own Northern territories.


According to Sergei Lavrov, the signing of a peace treaty is hindered by the American military presence in Japan. The Russian Foreign Minister recalled that if we talk about the letter of the declaration of the 1956 model of the year, it clearly indicates the need for the withdrawal of American troops from Japanese territory. Sergey Lavrov recalled that this did not happen and that American bases in Japan continue to be actively operated.

Lavrov:

The military alliance (of Japan) with the United States, of course, is a problem in giving new quality to Russian-Japanese relations.

Sergey Lavrov noted that Russia has already raised concerns about Japan over the fact that the US military presence in the Land of the Rising Sun remains.

Lavrov:

We will wait for an answer from Tokyo and, based on this, we will continue the discussion.

Recall that Japan requires Russia to “return” the South Kuril Islands, while when it comes to the military presence of US troops in Japan, it states that this is “an internal affair of Japan”. In this case, official Tokyo should once again be reminded that the Kuril Islands are an internal affair of Russia for the simple reason that it is an integral part of our country.
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  1. Andrey Chistyakov
    Andrey Chistyakov 23 November 2019 08: 50 New
    +14
    "Recall that Japan requires Russia to" return "the South Kuril Islands"
    They demand that (Japanese) they demand ...
    Yes, who will give them.
    1. Nadrub
      Nadrub 23 November 2019 08: 58 New
      +23
      The next humpback will appear and give ...,
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 23 November 2019 09: 26 New
        +37
        Here is a rare one - TARP, Khrushchev ns .... why was it necessary to conclude this declaration in 1956? Let with reservations ... showed donkeys - carrots, and now they require am Woodpecker and Pest - it’s good that at least they were removed from the post! I think for Crimea alone - he now has a personal frying pan in Hell! am
        1. lelik613
          lelik613 23 November 2019 09: 38 New
          +22
          Nikita, of course, was a big eccentric, but the conditions were simple: Our islands, but if the samurai extirpate the Americans, Japan will receive an incentive prize. By the way, in 1960, the declaration was canceled due to the military treaty of the Japanese and Americans.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 23 November 2019 09: 46 New
            +7
            Quote: Hunter 2
            Here is a rare one - TARP, Khrushchev ns .... why was it necessary to conclude this declaration in 1956? Let with reservations ...

            Because Khrushchev was not a Russian nationalist sovereign, but was an anti-Stalinist cosmopolitan of the Marxist-Leninist bottling, and after his speech against Stalin shook his party chair in power in the country.

            And when Lavrov in the negotiation process promises to return the Kuril Islands to Japan precisely on the basis of the legally long-worthless 1956 Declaration of the year between the USSR and Japan, then he will be the same Cosmopolitan - i.e. Russophobe traitor is no better than Khrushchev.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 23 November 2019 10: 45 New
              -4
              Lavrov, of course, is an interesting politician.
              On the one hand, the leadership of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation prepares, on behalf of the government of the Russian Federation, international documents for the negotiation processes and thereby partially lays in them its own analytical and synthesis opinion on historical issues.
              And on the other hand, in a cosmopolitan, and even capitalist society, the bureaucratic "tops" in power somehow reflect in the gases of the people not just and not so much their own opinion, but first of all protect and lobby the interests of the powerful oligarchy, of the COSMOPOLITICAL sense, to which they serve.
              This implies such an internally contradictory statement of the Kuril issue of the MIL of the Russian Federation in the person of Lavrov himself.

              The end of illusions. The elite of the Russian Federation indicated its place. A. Sevastyanov. I. Shishkin • 11 Jul. 2019 g. 3
            2. orionvitt
              orionvitt 23 November 2019 11: 35 New
              +10
              Quote: Tatiana
              the same COSMOPOLIT - i.e. Russophobe traitor is no better than Khrushchev.

              Do not distort. Lavrov does his work. For reference. Who is a diplomat? This is a person who, on the question “what did you say?”, Answers, “you need to think.” So everything is fine there with the Kuril Islands.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 23 November 2019 12: 44 New
                -1
                Quote: orionvitt
                Quote: Tatiana
                the same COSMOPOLIT - i.e. Russophobe traitor is no better than Khrushchev.
                Do not distort. Lavrov does his work. For reference. Who is a diplomat? This is a person who answers the question "what did you say?" So everything is fine there with the Kuril Islands.

                Get down to the ground! You can’t be such a sky-high optimist!
                LOST again!
                The leadership of the Russian Foreign Ministry is preparing for the government of the Russian Federation and the president of the Russian Federation historical international documents, makes his own analysis and interpretation to them with the development of the national political position of the Russian Federation in negotiations with other countries. And thus, the leadership of the RF MFA BEARS PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, laying in the negotiating position the so-called the national interests of the Russian Federation, in part, its own analytical and synthesis opinion on resolving historically national-territorial state border issues on the part of those in power in the country. In particular, in the Kuril Islands.
                PERSONAL responsibility for this is not to be taken from Lavrov, no matter who he serves in the Russian Federation!
                Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                Yes, who will give them.
                Quote: Truth
                The next humpback will appear and give ...,
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              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 23 November 2019 14: 39 New
                +5
                Quote: at84432384
                Lavrov just sets out the thoughts of his superiors. It is naive to think that some minister is free to make decisions on the transfer of Russian territories. The treacherous power of the Russian Federation, which is already full of examples.
                Of course, Lavrov with the government of the Russian Federation and the president of the Russian Federation is sailing in the same "boat".

                By the way, Abe himself understands this when, in 2019, he urged Japanese nationalists to wait for a POSITIVE decision for the Kuril Islands for Japan to be only 2, clearly hinting at the same time to strengthen liberalization of power in the Russian Federation itself. Apparently, after the presidential election 3 November 2020 years and after elections of deputies of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation VIII convocation 19 September 2021 year.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 23 November 2019 16: 29 New
                  +2
                  There are no trifles in politics in order not to pay our attention to the negotiations between the Russian Federation and Japan on the Kuril Islands.
                  Politicians believe that even the problem of the Crimea with the West / USA for the Russian Federation may turn out to be much less than the consequences for Russia to transfer to Japan even the 2 islands of the Kuril Islands! Namely.

                  The fact is that, while discussing here on the forum, we certainly do not know all the subtle subtleties about the problem of Japan demanding that the Kuril Islands return to it from the USSR / RF after the territorial results of the Soviet-Japanese war 1945 of the year, as part of WWII, and about attempts to satisfy Japanese requirements from our side using:
                  1) of the Khrushchev treaty of 1956 of the year, which fell apart in the 1960 year, as well;
                  2) Yeltsin's determined readiness to hand over the Kuril Islands to Japan;
                  3) the recognition of the Japanese territorial problem by Sergei Ivanov in the 2001 year (remember the character with the plaque Mannerheim in St. Petersburg?), Which was absolutely impossible to do.

                  Also, Abe himself is not a simple person (see 2: 40 min.)
                  Abe is the grandson of the mother of the Japanese fascist and war criminal WWII Nobusuke Kishi, who propagated and put into practice the Japanese racial theory following Hitler's example during WWII. Nobusuke Kishi himself was captured, arrested, but in the 1948 year he was unexpectedly released from the tribunal and became the favorite war criminal and conductor of American interests in Japan for the United States.
                  In other words. Abe is a descendant of the highest level American intelligence in Japan, which hereditarily promotes with the help of Japan the colonial interests of the United States.

                  Evgeny Spitsyn. Why Japan needs Russia. Posted: 9 Jan 2019
                  1. However, dear
                    However, dear 23 November 2019 20: 27 New
                    -8
                    Kuril Islands - a trophy of war. And if you give them back, then for something very tangible, necessary and useful. Just a peace treaty is clearly not enough. They lived without him for 70+ years. Are the Kuril Islands so needed to keep them at all costs? Apparently not so. So they think. Everything is fine.
                    1. Alex bergman
                      Alex bergman 24 November 2019 19: 52 New
                      +6
                      The Kuril Islands are vital to Russia! And you need to keep them by any means! Between the islands is the only deepwater passage. The inner sea is obtained - and this is the lack of access to bioresources in the Yap. Yes, and a bunch of all sorts of goodies! Economic and political. Google.
                      1. However, dear
                        However, dear 24 November 2019 20: 53 New
                        -4
                        Why does Lavrov "think"? He didn’t google it? If you really needed it, they would say "the question is closed" and no bidding.
                      2. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 24 November 2019 21: 12 New
                        -4
                        Quote: However, dear
                        Why does Lavrov "think"?

                        But because he can. Unlike those who are used to just google wink
            4. Senior manager
              Senior manager 24 November 2019 00: 20 New
              0
              Quote: at84432384
              The treacherous power of the Russian Federation itself, which is already full of examples.

              Yes, my friend, you don’t see what kind of war is going on in power structures. One Redhead is worth it. It is not necessary to smear all power in one color.
          2. maidan.izrailovich
            maidan.izrailovich 23 November 2019 13: 09 New
            +5
            ... cosmopolitan of the Marxist-Leninist flood ....

            Selyuk Khrushch had no idea what it was.
            He was an ordinary margin scum. Ready to sell and betray everything and everyone.
          3. Alross
            Alross 23 November 2019 17: 34 New
            0
            Khrushchev's surname on his mother is Perlmutter, an ardent Ziono-Trotskyist. That's all the explanations for his inadequacy in politics.
          4. Joker62
            Joker62 24 November 2019 13: 32 New
            +1
            Khrushchev was a hidden Trotskyist, but not like a Marsist-Leninist flood. This is the first.
            Second, Khrushchev himself was a bastard from the Polish landowner.
            Third, Khrushchev avenged Stalin for the shooting of his eldest son Leonid, who cowardly fought on the front line, and was a pilot.
            And finally, this plebeian was very cruel to the people of Little Russia, and he arranged the so-called Holodomor!
            1. Minato2020
              Minato2020 25 November 2019 02: 15 New
              +3
              Quote: Joker62
              Khrushchev was a hidden Trotskyist, but not like a Marsist-Leninist flood. This is the first.
              Second, Khrushchev himself was a bastard from the Polish landowner.
              Third, Khrushchev avenged Stalin for the shooting of his eldest son Leonid, who cowardly fought on the front line, and was a pilot.
              And finally, this plebeian was very cruel to the people of Little Russia, and he arranged the so-called Holodomor!


              Khrushchev was a hidden Trotskyist of Ukrainian persuasion.
              He lifted the legislative ban on abortion, pardoned Bandera, Vlasov, released Nazi criminals from prisons and allowed them to go to Germany.

              For Khrushchev, the elimination of objectionable did not lie. Then he gave odds to the Sicilian mafia.
              The bike about revenge for the allegedly shot son of Khrushchev is just a bike.
              "December 23, 1953 were executed
              People's Commissar of State Security of the USSR in 1941-1946, Minister of State Control of the USSR, Head of Stalin's Personal Intelligence, Army General Vsevolod Nikolaevich Merkulov;
              first deputy USSR Minister of Internal Affairs, Colonel General Bogdan Zakharovich Kobulov;
              former deputy. Head of the SMERSH GUKR, Minister of Internal Affairs of the Ukrainian USSR, Lieutenant General Pavel Yakovlevich Meshik;
              former deputy. People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs of the USSR, Ambassador of the USSR to Germany, Minister of the Interior of the Georgian SSR Vladimir Georgievich Dekanozov;
              Head of the 3rd Directorate (military counterintelligence) of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, Colonel General Sergei Arsenyevich Goglidze;
              the head of the investigative unit for particularly important cases of the NKGB-MGB-MVD of the USSR, Lieutenant General Lev Yemelyanovich Vlodzimirsky, through whom practically all matters went regarding the party, military and economic apparatus.

              Number 8 in the list of those arrested in the Beria case was the head of the 12th department (terror and sabotage abroad) of the 2nd Main Directorate of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, Lieutenant General Pavel Anatolyevich Sudoplatov. He was arrested in his office on Friday, August 21, 1953. He miraculously survived, feigning insanity and received later than 15 years.
              His deputy major general Naum Eitingon received 11 years.

              And here is their atomic intelligence associate, the first deputy. Head of the Gulag of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR, deputy. Lieutenant General Amayak Kobulov, friend of Alexander Korotkov, was executed by the head of the Control Inspection at the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, was shot on February 26, 1955.

              The legendary head of the SMERSH GUKR, the Minister of State Security of the USSR (1946 - 1951), a member of the Politburo Commission of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks in court cases, Colonel General Viktor Semenovich Abakumov was executed on December 19, 1954.
              Deputy People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR for border and internal troops, deputy. USSR Minister of Internal Affairs for the Army, Army General Ivan Ivanovich Maslennikov shot himself dead on April 16, 1954 in Moscow.
              And this is far from a complete list of victims of Khrushchev’s repressions, which were far from being limited to the leadership of the state security organs. "


              Khrushchev poured streams of dirt on Stalin, viciously remembered Shepilova for his performances against Khrushchev's idiotic ideas (the older generation remembers the Khrushchev formula “and Shepilov who joined them”). And in five years he ruined, trampled and destroyed what Stalin was growing. In 1956, he (Khrushchev) decided by 1960 to completely transfer all the art enterprises to the state - the exception was only small artisans of consumer services, art crafts, and artels of people with disabilities, and they were forbidden to carry out regular retail trade in their products.
              https://serg70p.livejournal.com/850072.html

              The negative charge inherent in the report of Khrushchev was already guessed then. Now, all the more. Destroyed the Soviet-Chinese military-political and economic union. Soviet people began to be embarrassed by their heroic history, their victories, their Commander-in-Chief, began to make excuses and apologize for the crimes of Stalin invented by Khrushchev.

              (Khrushchev - omnivorous larvae, Degree of danger for the plant world: 1 larva per 1sq.m of soil area.
              Another coordinate system: the danger to the human world of bureaucracy. The control area is "manmade land" for larvae with an "explosive mixture."
              The trouble is that the May bug that grew out of the larva begins to breed in the warm season.
              Khrushchev thaw.
              Being in the soil, the larvae of the raspberry feed on the roots of plants. A plant with root damage - withers away (era of stagnation) and dies (perestroika) and the collapse of the USSR.)

              Khrushchev himself scribbled a bunch of denunciations fighting for a "place in the sun." As the first secretary of the party’s MGK, he personally sent 3 out of 4 of his deputies to be shot. Stalin wrote a resolution on the “tapping machine” of the Khrushchev, so that “Nikita would calm down.” Khrushchev, already at the helm of the USSR, ordered to clean out a bunch of archives, where he passed as a scammer.

              There is one more question in connection with the report of Khrushchev. Prof. G. Ferr, author of Anti-Stalin’s Meanness (Algorithm, 2007), counted in this report sixty-one charges against Stalin that could be verified. And all of them after verification turned out to be false. Well, what a rich or sick imagination people should have written this report! Great storytellers or maniacs are Russophobes. It is believed that this report was prepared for Khrushchev by P.N. Pospelov, D.T. Shepilov and I.A. Serov.
              1. Minato2020
                Minato2020 25 November 2019 02: 35 New
                +3
                Activities of the hidden Trotskyist Khrushchev (Continued)
                Khrushchev carried out destructive projects.

                1. At the end of the Stalin era and in the first years after his death, agriculture successfully developed. However, the successful advance of agriculture quickly came to an end. Khrushchev suddenly ordered the liquidation of state machine-tractor stations (MTS). These state enterprises on a contractual basis with agricultural collective farms carried out their production and technical maintenance. Most collective farms and state farms did not have enough funds to independently buy complex agricultural machines, tractors and ensure their smooth operation, to prepare the appropriate personnel. In addition, the technology in the early stages was not enough, and there was a need for its concentration and centralized distribution. The concentration of large agricultural machinery in MTS gave in these conditions a big economic gain. In addition, MTS played a significant role in the overall rise in the cultural and technical level of the peasantry. A large stratum of rural technically literate population appeared in the USSR — skilled tractor drivers, drivers, combine harvesters, repairmen, and so on. In total, there were about 1958 million people by 2.

                Khrushchev also liquidated the MTS and ordered the collective farms to buy out tractors, combines and other equipment. And the prices were set high. Collective farms had to spend all the savings that were left over for 1954-1956 for the purchase of equipment. Collective farms could not immediately create an appropriate base for the storage and maintenance of equipment. In addition, they did not have relevant specialists. They could not massively attract former employees of MTS. The state could afford to pay MTS workers a bigger salary than collective farms. Most workers found a different use. As a result, many cars turned into scrap metal. Continuous losses. This greatly undermined the economic potential of the Soviet countryside.

                2. Khrushchev launched a campaign to consolidate collective farms. Their number was reduced from 83 thousand to 45 thousand. It was believed that they would unite in powerful "collective farm unions." This project required large investments, which the collective farms did not have. Collective farms have already spent the last money on the purchase of equipment. As a result, the enlargement campaign failed.

                3. At the same time, Khrushchev struck another blow to the Russian village.
                Moscow headed for the elimination of "unpromising villages." The "specialists" who came from where they began to evaluate which villages can be left and which are "unpromising". Top instructions for finding "unpromising" villages were lowered. Residents of "unpromising" villages were resettled, villages and a farm were empty throughout the Soviet Union. This campaign caused terrible damage to the Russian countryside. First of all, the indigenous Russian regions suffered. The harm was multifaceted - from damage to agriculture to a demographic blow to the Russian people. After all, it was the Russian village that provided the main increase in the country's population.

                4. All this took place against the background of the investment of enormous resources and efforts for the development of the virgin and fallow lands of the Volga region, Southern Siberia, Kazakhstan and the Far East. A lot of money, money and effort was invested in this ill-conceived project. This money could be used with greater benefit. Thousands of specialists, volunteers and equipment threw onto the virgin front. According to the Komsomol orders, young people were driven to the Kazakh steppes, they sent technical specialists, sent whole issues of teachers, doctors and agronomists. Young collective farmers were also sent from "unpromising" places. In fact, it was a mass deportation of Russians from their indigenous lands, which were deserting at that time.

                All educated people were well aware that the decision to start developing virgin and fallow lands was made by Khrushchev, based on purely political considerations, and an imminent fiasco awaited us. For example, as academician T.D. Lysenko, before the beginning of the virgin saga, it is necessary to work out the technology of subsurface plowing, without which we will get dust storms similar to those that the Americans received in the Midwest in the thirties, to organize a network of variety testing stations, and much more needs to be done. Not to mention that it would be nice to build grain elevators in advance. In general, the preparatory work was ten years.

                As a result of this scam, huge areas of developed land began to turn into desert and salt marshes a few years later. An environmental issue has arisen. Again, I had to invest a lot of money and effort, now for rescue activities, such as forest plantations.

                5. Added "corn fever", "meat campaign" and "milk records", which finally crippled agriculture. There was a problem of fodder crops in the Soviet Union, and Khrushchev declared corn a panacea for all ills. Had to reduce the crops of other crops. Moreover, corn was sown even in those regions that did not suit this agricultural crop due to natural and climatic conditions. So, there were even jokes on this subject: “Well, brothers Koryak, sow corn?” “We sow,” the Koryaks answered, putting on their fur coats. ” Khrushchev did not want to hear about crop failures. Those leaders who could not ensure the corn crop were removed from their posts. Therefore, many senior employees, in order to maintain their posts, wrote about high yields, went to forgeries, postscripts.

                6. In 1957, the "meat campaign" began. Khrushchev called for three years to triple meat production. The first secretary of the Ryazan regional committee Larionov promised to triple production in a year. The idea was supported by several other areas. Larionov received the promise of the Hero of Socialist Labor for this. In the region, in order to fulfill this promise, they began to slaughter all the young stock and buy meat from the population and outside of the Ryazan region. Funds that were allocated for construction, healthcare and education were spent on purchases. The plan has been completed. However, next year the oblast was obliged to further raise the bar. The region could not give almost anything, the funds were spent, and the livestock was slaughtered. Larionov committed suicide.

                7. The so-called "Second collectivization."
                In 1959, all personal livestock were ordered to be redeemed from the population, and household plots and household plots were prohibited. They say that household farms prevent collective farmers from giving up all their labor for the benefit of the Motherland. Household farms gave the collective farmers considerable support, supplied products to the markets. Now the already living poor peasants were ruined. The flight from the Soviet villages began: many left for the cities, others to the virgin lands, where there were decent earnings and it was possible to "break out into people."

                8, 9, 10, ..........

                Until people began to go to protest rallies and the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee asked Khrushchev to resign voluntarily
                http://baltijalv.lv/news/read/24577
        2. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 23 November 2019 09: 52 New
          +6
          Quote: lelik613
          Nikita, of course, was a big eccentric, but the conditions were simple: Our islands, but if the samurai extirpate the Americans, Japan will receive an incentive prize. By the way, in 1960, the declaration was canceled due to the military treaty of the Japanese and Americans.

          Samodur he! fool What a prize! am Squander the earth ??? Exactly, Kemsku parish .... am
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      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 23 November 2019 09: 59 New
        +10
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Here is a rare one - TARP, Khrushchev ns .... why was it necessary to conclude this declaration in 1956?

        This rare Trotskyist and traitor, the collapse of the Union began with him.
      4. sniperino
        sniperino 23 November 2019 10: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: Hunter 2
        well, that even removed from office!
        Who set, he removed. And this is not the "Soviet people"
      5. Vladimir_6
        Vladimir_6 23 November 2019 12: 22 New
        +9
        Quote: Hunter 2
        I think for Crimea alone - he now has a personal frying pan in Hell!

        Alexei, the Crimea is not so simple.
        “Most people know history at the level of myths or jokes. Very often, such folklore is created and constantly supported by the so-called“ competent authorities. ”One of these myths is the wildest fiction about how Khrushchev“ presented ”Crimea to Ukraine. Historians know very well that Khrushchev simply could not make such a “gift”, even if he really wanted to. On January 1954, Nikita Sergeyevich was the fifth in the Soviet rankings, after Malenkov, Molotov, Kaganovich and Bulganin. "
        "In January 1954, when the decision of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, in an atmosphere of universal jubilation, Crimea was solemnly" presented "to fraternal Ukraine as a symbol of eternal friendship between the Russian and Ukrainian peoples, Khrushchev was not the first person in the state."
        “In January 1954, Nikita Khrushchev headed the CPSU for only four months - from September 7, 1953. He will single-handedly lead the country after 1957, when he will remove the main rivals - the heavyweights of the" Stalinist Guard "from power.
        And the Prime Minister will be even later, in 1958. "
        "In the fall of 1953, when the decision on the Crimea was finally ripe, and in January 1954, when the process of transferring the peninsula began, Khrushchev was not able to act as he pleased.
        And he, by the way, did not preside at the said meeting of the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU on January 25, 1954. The chairman was the then head of the USSR government Georgy Malenkov.
        Members of the Presidium, voting for the transfer of Crimea, took into account objective reasons, and not the mythical "whims" of Nikita Sergeevich. "
        https://timemislead.com/neveroyatnaya-istoriya/kto-podaril-kryim-ukraine-hrushhyov-ili-stalin
        https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/blog-history-russian-43110921
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 23 November 2019 13: 07 New
          +6
          Well, for the clarification about the post of Corn Crush for January 1954, of course, thanks. Another thing is that there was a strong Ukrainian lobby, again, the project of the North Crimean Canal was already (included in the Stalinist plan for the transformation of nature). Perhaps, to reduce interagency coordination (USSR and the RSFSR), Crimea was transferred to Hohland. Again, the anniversary of the Pereyaslavl Rada. No particular inconvenience after such a reassignment arose until the year 1991. And why the Obkomovskaya drunk EBN Crimea did not return - this is a question for him. Theoretically, they could reunite with Russia in the 1991 year.
          1. Vladimir_6
            Vladimir_6 23 November 2019 19: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: Aviator_
            Well, for the clarification about the position of Corn Crush for January 1954, of course, thanks

            hi
        2. Oyo Sarkazmi
          Oyo Sarkazmi 23 November 2019 14: 49 New
          0
          In fact, Khrushchev’s rule was rich in gifts. All the current North Kazakhstan regions, the Orenburg region, were transferred to Kazakhstan, however, they were later returned to the RSFSR. The area of ​​Chechnya has tripled. Ukraine doubled not only due to the Crimea, but also the Donbass and Odessa. Only the "forest brothers" saved the transfer of Kaliningrad to Lithuania, which was settled by Russians, and not too loyal Lithuanians.
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev 23 November 2019 15: 51 New
            +3
            Odessa and Donbass before Nikita were not part of the Ukrainian SSR?
        3. Minato2020
          Minato2020 25 November 2019 03: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: Vladimir_6
          Quote: Hunter 2
          I think for Crimea alone - he now has a personal frying pan in Hell!

          Alexei, the Crimea is not so simple.
          “Most people know history at the level of myths or jokes. Very often, such folklore is created and constantly supported by the so-called“ competent authorities. ”One of these myths is the wildest fiction about how Khrushchev“ presented ”Crimea to Ukraine. Historians know very well that Khrushchev simply could not make such a “gift”, even if he really wanted to. On January 1954, Nikita Sergeyevich was the fifth in the Soviet rankings, after Malenkov, Molotov, Kaganovich and Bulganin. "


          Follow the link
          https://timemislead.com/neveroyatnaya-istoriya/kto-podaril-kryim-ukraine-hrushhyov-ili-stalin
          Articles "Who gave Crimea to Ukraine? Khrushchev or Stalin?"
          The article has a noteworthy phrase:
          "... Not from a good life Chernousov turned to the leader. The work of his government was severely criticized by Stalin, including for the ecological and economic disaster in the Crimea. After an unusually vile eviction of Crimean Tatars from their native land (at first they drafted men into the army, and then they loaded women, old people and children into the goods), Crimea began to be settled by immigrants from various regions of Russia .... "


          That is, it is claimed that the environmental disaster due to "unusually vile eviction of Crimean Tatars from their native land" and it can be decided that the Tatars made up the majority of the inhabitants. But this is not so. Crimean Tatars in Crimea were at the level of 10-15%.

          And now follow the hand of the thimble - Chernousov threw the idea, Stalin approved, Malenkov gave the Crimea.
          Khrushchev stands aside white and fluffy, not even the first, but the fifth!
          There is applause - the CURTAIN!

          And a quote from the comments
          --- I would like to know a little more in detail this question. Based on what materials are you talking about Stalin’s plan for the Crimea? In what archives did you find it or where else? And then there is information, but where it comes from is not clear.

          --- Vasily, hello!
          I wrote this article about three years ago. And now I dig through the Internet to give you links, there is no way. I am working on another topic now and cannot be distracted. If you are interested in the topic of “donation” of Crimea, you can easily find materials both on the Internet and in libraries.
          Best regards
      6. Piramidon
        Piramidon 23 November 2019 13: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Here is a rare one - TARP, Khrushchev ns .... why was it necessary to conclude this declaration in 1956?

        To whom is the question addressed? Well, bring a claim to Nikita (I hope in Hell). Why shout now? History, as noted by I.V. Stalin, has no subjunctive mood and the time machine, to work back, has not yet been invented. We need to think how now we can get out of the situation our rulers put the country in, and not tear our hair in all places with shouts - "what have they done!"
      7. max702
        max702 24 November 2019 10: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: Hunter 2 D
        I think for Crimea alone - he now has a personal frying pan in Hell!

        Its main jamb is a quarrel with China .. It was she who did not allow the socialist development path to become the main one in the world .. As a result, the capitalists took advantage of this confrontation and strangled both countries individually. If the matter was different, the USSR and China would control both Eurasia and Africa without letting the capitalists use the resources and markets for them, thereby sharply accelerating the collapse of the capitalist system. Today, this path has been postponed for many years, and in principle unlikely, the idea of ​​socialism / communism has completely lost confidence. and no socially oriented societies are expected in the coming decades .. There will be a general squabble with the maximum deterioration in the life of the majority of the population, for capitalism can exist solely at the expense of someone .. Today there are no man's resources and markets, and therefore capitalism begins to devour itself first of all the weakest. All this will end very sadly, no one believes in socialism / communism, therefore, there is no other way of development .. Most likely this will lead to a global conflict, the result of which civilization will roll back to the Middle Ages, and most likely to the Stone Age if it does not end at all .. here is the global mistake "Comrade" Khrushchev ..
        1. Minato2020
          Minato2020 25 November 2019 03: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: max702
          Quote: Hunter 2 D
          I think for Crimea alone - he now has a personal frying pan in Hell!

          Its main cant is a quarrel with China ..
          ... Here is such a global mistake "Comrade" Khrushchev ..


          Khrushchev's “reforms” were systemic. The essence of this system is destruction. For all their apparent confusion and disorder, for all the widest range of Khrushchev’s ideas, one general pattern can always be distinguished. All reforms led to the collapse of the Soviet Union.
          Including monetary reform of 1961.
          http://baltijalv.lv/news/read/30781
    2. GUSAR
      GUSAR 23 November 2019 11: 24 New
      0
      I already found it
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  3. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 23 November 2019 09: 06 New
    -4
    Lavrov is simply obligated once and for all to close the issue of Japanese claims for the right to own Russian territories.
    There is a real possibility of creating an accelerated development territory in the Far East - the creation of a Japanese community in uninhabited (empty) places on a rental basis. Both Russia and Japan will benefit. At least in some way the tension will decrease, rational use of empty territories will occur (perhaps we will learn how to build MSW processing plants) ...
    But such demands in an ultimatum form on the part of Japan must be stopped or simply ignored.
    1. The popuas
      The popuas 23 November 2019 09: 17 New
      +16
      The conclusion of the US Armed Forces is, to close the question forever! The Americans themselves will never leave, but the Japanese cannot drive them out! So let the Japanese continue to chew snot!
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 23 November 2019 09: 46 New
      +14
      Quote: ROSS 42
      There is a real possibility of creating an accelerated development territory in the Far East - the creation of a Japanese community in uninhabited (empty) places on a rental basis.

      Neither arms, nor legs, nor the spirit of the Japanese in the Far East is needed. It will be the same as with the Northern territories. They left a memory of themselves in the Civil War, from Kamchatka to Transbaikalia, Amur and Primorye. China and Korea will also be "grateful" to you for your offer.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 23 November 2019 09: 58 New
        -5
        Quote: Amurets
        Neither arms, nor legs, nor the spirit of the Japanese in the Far East is needed.

        You do not strain so much. I am not talking about the Kuril Islands. PRIMARILY!!! people living in Russia must decide the fate of their small homeland and their own, and I do not propose to forcibly settle the Japanese in a territory where the population density is 1 person per 100 square meters. km Your intransigence should be turned towards the barbaric export of resources from the Far East, the extraction of fish and seafood by all sorts of different kinds, and not by putting forward ultimatums to me.
        Nobody refuses something from Japanese technology, as well as from French medical equipment, German equipment, etc. Or are you already in agreement with the Chinese?
        There should not be a spirit of extremism on Russian soil, and balanced decisions and their openness are a symbol of trust in the authorities.
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 23 November 2019 11: 01 New
          -1
          Quote: ROSS 42
          You do not strain so much. I am not talking about the Kuril Islands. PRIMARILY!!! people living in Russia must decide the fate of their small homeland and their own

          For quite some time during my studies I had a classmate Sasha. He came to Moscow from the Kuril Islands. Over the years of communication, I understood one thing: he, like many residents, he said, would just like to take and fall under the jurisdiction of Japan in anticipation of certain preferences for himself and the quality of life. This is so, note.
      2. orionvitt
        orionvitt 23 November 2019 11: 42 New
        +4
        Quote: Amurets
        They left a memory of themselves in the Civil War, from Kamchatka to Transbaikalia, Amur and Primorye. China and Korea will also be "grateful" to you for your offer.

        South Sakhalin forgotten. We all remember that. I don’t understand at all, lost the war, keep quiet in the pipe. And so, after the fight, wave your fists at the suggestion of the United States, all the more towards the nuclear power? How would it be so to say, that would not get another ban. Not smart people.
      3. Alex bergman
        Alex bergman 24 November 2019 22: 34 New
        +2
        Correctly! Million %%! And let Hokkaido be returned! Useful.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 November 2019 10: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: ROSS 42
      There is a real possibility of creating an accelerated development territory in the Far East - the creation of a Japanese community in uninhabited (empty) places on a rental basis.

      And that the Japs climb uninhabited territories, leaving the bosom of civilization?
      1. SSR
        SSR 23 November 2019 10: 23 New
        -1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: ROSS 42
        There is a real possibility of creating an accelerated development territory in the Far East - the creation of a Japanese community in uninhabited (empty) places on a rental basis.

        And that the Japs climb uninhabited territories, leaving the bosom of civilization?

        Do not swear. Why exactly the "Japs" ?, maybe the Japanese "business"?
        Comrade, do not mix one with the other.)))
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 23 November 2019 10: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: SSR
          Why exactly the "Japs" ?, maybe the Japanese "business"?
          Comrade, do not mix one with the other.

          So the business, he, too, does not want to climb to nothing, give him natural resources.
          1. SSR
            SSR 23 November 2019 10: 54 New
            +2
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: SSR
            Why exactly the "Japs" ?, maybe the Japanese "business"?
            Comrade, do not mix one with the other.

            So the business, he, too, does not want to climb to nothing, give him natural resources.

            And when it was different?)))
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 23 November 2019 11: 58 New
        -6
        Quote: tihonmarine
        And that the Japs climb uninhabited territories, leaving the bosom of civilization?

        Europeans once left the bosom of civilization and flooded into North America ... What if there is at least half a percent among the 125 million who huddle on the constantly shaking islands? belay I looked - some "bad Japanese and Chinese" are much nicer than "individual Russians by passport" ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 23 November 2019 14: 07 New
          0
          Quote: ROSS 42
          some "bad Japanese and Chinese" are much nicer than "individual Russians by passport."

          There is no arguing with you.
    4. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 23 November 2019 10: 16 New
      +11
      Quote: ROSS 42
      the creation of the Japanese community in the uninhabited

      1. What is the use of it for us?
      2. Put the pig at the table, she and her legs on the table.
      3. Horseradish then expel.
      4. From them then tentacles will go across all the Kuril Islands.
    5. at84432384
      at84432384 23 November 2019 11: 52 New
      +5
      Do you propose creating another national "republic"? You can even lease the Chinese, Koreans, but there are those who wish. There will be no sense, but it will add problems. There is a Russian technology for processing solid waste. Today it is the most effective, but its authorities are not even going to introduce it. Firstly, it’s too cheap compared to foreign ones (you won’t get your hands on the kickbacks), and secondly, and most importantly, the Russian authorities categorically do not allow the development of Russian industry. The Gaidar-Aven slogan (we will sell oil and buy the rest) is not pronounced aloud, but it is sacredly followed and reinforced by law.
    6. dirk182
      dirk182 25 November 2019 01: 10 New
      -1
      Lavrov is just a talking head. He has children in the states. Almost do not speak Russian.
  4. venik
    venik 23 November 2019 09: 31 New
    +3
    Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
    rebuke then (Japanese) they demand ...
    Yes, who will give them.

    =========
    I think they can get it, but only half..... (in the sense of "half a hand"!) laughing
  5. Voyager
    Voyager 23 November 2019 09: 39 New
    +6
    They can give back a part. Our government, as if on a swing, is trying to get bonuses in order to get rid of 1-2 islands at a convenient moment. If there was no mood to give back at all, this would not be discussed. And so we are teasing a donkey with a carrot, waiting for it to go.
  6. Tiksi-3
    Tiksi-3 23 November 2019 09: 46 New
    +4
    Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
    Yes, who will give them

    come on!!! Putin will give it back, only you and others like you will justify it !! The main thing in Japan to fulfill the impossible!
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty 23 November 2019 10: 53 New
    +1
    Comrade Lavrov, tell the Americans the same thing word for word, at their command, the Japanese either mow under the foolish, go for a time or two they grab everything literally on the fly!
  8. Maz
    Maz 23 November 2019 11: 47 New
    +3
    The fact that our smokers understand this, but the economic activity in the Kuril Islands is, let's say, privateer and pirate in the population, which survives in any way, even if this method is illegal. Despite the fact that the Kuril Islands is the bonanza in every sense ..
  9. Alien From
    Alien From 23 November 2019 15: 57 New
    +1
    We will express our concern on this issue until Yap is brightened in my head, and that, for example, there are a lot of examples, mattresses for example)
  10. Leonid Bailov
    Leonid Bailov 23 November 2019 18: 35 New
    +2
    I am not a lawyer. But, Japan signed an unconditional surrender. As I understand it, the enemy has surrendered, and I can do what I want. But, the defeated enemy makes a reservation, and requires buns from the winner!
  11. jonny64
    jonny64 24 November 2019 16: 37 New
    -1
    But who knows? At one time, Shevardnadze gifted a tidbit to the shelf with huge reserves of commercial seafood (and with what minerals?) In the Bering Sea and even an iPhone to the Norwegian Vikings passed a similar one in the Barents. And this is already in recent history.
  12. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 24 November 2019 20: 52 New
    +2
    Putin can give. The oligarchy has some ideas about this ...
  • knn54
    knn54 23 November 2019 09: 11 New
    +12
    The Yankees refused to guarantee Japan the non-deployment of military bases on the Kuril Islands. What else could be the dialogue.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 November 2019 10: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: knn54
      The Yankees refused to guarantee Japan the non-deployment of military bases on the Kuril Islands. What else could be the dialogue.

      That's right. Japiki are completely dependent on Uncle Sam's nephews, raw materials, hydrocarbons, and Japanese products in the United States. During the occupation, Japanese industry and the economy became dependent on the United States. And according to the report of the Ministry of Finance of Japan, the level of the state debt of the country of the Rising Sun amounted to more than 10 trillion dollars. Compared to the 2018 year, the debt of the state on external obligations grew by 140 billion dollars. So that the American occupation forces will remain in Japan until as long as the United States of America exists.
      1. Karen
        Karen 23 November 2019 10: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Compared to 2018, the state debt on external obligations grew by $ 140 billion.

        And what profit did this extra money bring, did not count? Surely more than interest on them ...
        Well, after the expected military turmoil in the world, these 10 trl. bucks - thanks to the rise in prices, it will be possible to pay off immediately ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 23 November 2019 10: 56 New
          +5
          Quote: Karen
          Well, after the expected military turmoil in the world, these 10trl. bucks - thanks to the rise in prices, it will be possible to pay off immediately.

          And after a new military mess, nobody will need anything.
          1. Karen
            Karen 23 November 2019 19: 12 New
            0
            Quote: tihonmarine
            And after a new military mess, nobody will need anything.

            Yes, no ... There will not be a big war, the Fed owners want to live and rob ... And small ones - always pzhst - the guiding star of big profits always beckons ...
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 25 November 2019 05: 59 New
              0
              Quote: Karen
              Yes, no ... There will be no big war, the Fed owners want to live and rob.

              Your words yes to the ears of Americans.
          2. Amurets
            Amurets 24 November 2019 23: 00 New
            0
            Quote: tihonmarine
            And after a new military mess, nobody will need anything.

            Well, maybe Kauri shells and colored pebbles, for decoration and barter.
  • Avior
    Avior 23 November 2019 09: 13 New
    -4
    . According to Sergei Lavrov, the signing of a peace treaty is hindered by the American military presence in Japan. The Russian Foreign Minister recalled that if we talk about the letter of the 1956 type declaration, then it clearly indicates the need for the withdrawal of American troops from Japanese territory.

    It is sad that the Foreign Minister does not know what he is talking about. It is unlikely that such a head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs can expect breakthroughs in the diplomatic sphere.
    In fact, nothing of what he stated is in the Declaration and is not close.
    http://www.hrono.info/dokum/195_dok/19561019jap.php
    Moreover, the 1956 Declaration says exactly the opposite, it permits in Article 3 the right to collective self-defense (and, therefore, the possible presence of foreign troops in Japan) for either side.
    . The USSR and Japan confirm that, in accordance with Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, each of the states has an inalienable right to individual or collective self-defense.

    Should not Lavrov give way to someone younger, or is he also indispensable?
    Such primitive mistakes with ignorance of the text of an important document do not add authority to the Foreign Minister, and diplomats highly appreciate it.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 23 November 2019 09: 23 New
      +7
      The right to collective defense is allowed there, but what is included in this concept is not specified. Or specified in some applications that are not here. Based on this particular document, it cannot be said that Japan is allowed to have foreign military bases on its territory. Collective defense can be carried out in different ways. And blaming Lavrov, the policy of the still old Soviet school, is unprofessional in unprofessionalism! You need to behave a little more modestly.
      1. Avior
        Avior 23 November 2019 09: 28 New
        -5
        Do you read at all?
        . if we talk about the letter of the 1956 type declaration, then it clearly indicates the need for the withdrawal of American troops from Japanese territory.

        Try to find this letter in the text.
        This is with regard to the statement of Lavrov.
        And about collective self-defense, there is a direct link to Article 51 of the UN Charter, so there are no questions at all.
        And the policy of the old Soviet school, perhaps it is time to give way to the young, so that the Foreign Ministry does not substitute
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 23 November 2019 09: 42 New
          +5
          Excerpt from Article 51 of the UN Charter: This Charter does not in any way affect the inalienable right to individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack on a Member of the Organization occurs
          Pay attention to the wording: if there is an armed attack on a member of the organization.
          1. Avior
            Avior 23 November 2019 10: 16 New
            -8
            Man, don’t shake the air for nothing, you can quote from the text in confirmation of Lavrov, bring it, or admit that Lavrov was ridiculously framed.
            As for Article 51, do not reinvent the wheel, there is a long-established system of interpretation of this article, and it allows any agreements for self-defense, including with the location of foreign bases on its territory, it has been repeatedly applied in practice by various countries, so there is not the slightest need to specify this in the Declaration, it is sufficient to refer to article 51.
            hi
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 23 November 2019 10: 20 New
              +3
              I don’t know what interpretation system you have, and in the article to which everyone refers, it is written exactly like this: IF an armed attack occurs. It seems specifically written. And how you interpret it is up to you.
              1. Avior
                Avior 23 November 2019 10: 26 New
                -7
                Yes, everyone does not care how we interpret.
                The question is how this is interpreted in the international system of law.
                And there it is interpreted unambiguously, as the right of any state to conclude an agreement on the stay of foreign troops and bases on the territory of its country is repeatedly fixed and fixed, even though it is Tartus, even though Inzherlik or 201 bases in Tajikistan.
                You compose a bike
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    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 November 2019 10: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: Avior
      It is sad that the Foreign Minister does not know what he is talking about. It is unlikely that such a head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs can expect breakthroughs in the diplomatic sphere.

      I realized that Lavrov needed to be replaced by a more authoritative comrade. We do not know his name, but his nickname is Avior. Good luck in the new field.
      1. Avior
        Avior 23 November 2019 15: 30 New
        -1
        God forbid.
        It is necessary to pretend that no one sees anything hears me.
        And minus more
        hi
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 23 November 2019 16: 04 New
          0
          Quote: Avior
          God forbid.
          It is necessary to pretend that no one sees anything hears me.
          And minus more

          Yes, they minus a lot, well, I will put a hot here plus.
    3. Alex bergman
      Alex bergman 24 November 2019 23: 21 New
      +1
      You know - you speak correctly! Nearly. What would someone replace somewhere - you need to bring up a shift. For whom to change Lavrov ?! Who is a worthy change for him? Do you know those? Change the awl for soap? What for? As long as there is this system, there will not be a shift in the foreseeable future. There is no worthy. They do not want the top of the shift and do not prepare it (replacement). Personnel hunger you know.
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 25 November 2019 12: 14 New
        0
        Having rejected the discussion of Lavrov’s competence, Avior’s colleague is right. There is no clause in the text of the agreement indicating the transfer of the Kuril Japam in exchange for the withdrawal of the air mattress from their territory. Yes, and it could not be. This is spoken and executed by default. Following the example of the outcome of the Caribbean crisis.
  • Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 23 November 2019 09: 16 New
    +2
    Yeah, let’s give it back now, let the restrained yapps buy contour maps for themselves and dream on.
  • Axel
    Axel 23 November 2019 09: 17 New
    +2
    You need to understand a simple thing - the Declaration did NOT require the withdrawal of American troops. She even recognized the contract with the Americans, the first version of which was already concluded in 1951. In 1960, this treaty was only revised, in the direction of greater equality, by the way.

    The USSR and Japan confirm that, in accordance with Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, each of the states has an inalienable right to individual or collective self-defense.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 November 2019 09: 20 New
    +7
    We will wait for an answer from Tokyo and, based on this, we will continue the discussion.
    But is it worth waiting for what will not happen while the United States exists? And in general, is it worth continuing the discussion if the Japanese staked exclusively on the return of the Kuril Islands? All these discussions at the diplomatic level cause only irritation of the population, some of which are hovering thoughts, and suddenly they will give them back.
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 23 November 2019 09: 30 New
      +12
      Gene, hello! hi
      Quote: rotmistr60
      But is it worth waiting for what will not happen while the United States exists?

      Of course not . Mattresses do not care about Japan - it is a consumable for them. They need the South Kuril Islands.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 23 November 2019 09: 35 New
        +5
        Hello Pasha! hi The Americans opened their mouths to many things in the world and give them the opportunity, then they would take everything into their own hands. Yes, only as long as Russia and China exist, these possibilities are limited.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 23 November 2019 09: 39 New
          +10
          Quote: rotmistr60
          as long as Russia and China exist, these possibilities are limited

          And this infuriates them incredibly. yes
          Quote: rotmistr60
          Americans on many things in the world opened their mouths and give them the opportunity, then they would take everything in their hands

          Toothless only pop semolina. soldier
          1. Rostislav Bely
            Rostislav Bely 23 November 2019 10: 09 New
            +3
            You didn’t think about why world wars began to be called so from the beginning of the last century, and not the year before last (Napoleonic), like our Patriotic wars from 1812 ... The principle of capitalism ceased to be expansionist, according to the law of reducing the rate of profit, redistribution of resources came, which are not endless and directly related to the growth of the planet’s population ...
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 23 November 2019 20: 59 New
              +3
              Rostislav hi It seems to me that it’s interesting to talk with you. Continue? In PM?
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 23 November 2019 10: 28 New
          0
          Quote: rotmistr60
          The Americans opened their mouths to many things in the world and give them the opportunity, then they would take everything into their own hands.

          And as soon as the USA hatched from an egg, they immediately opened their mouths to Russia.
  • Rostislav Bely
    Rostislav Bely 23 November 2019 09: 22 New
    +1
    The Japanese need to come to terms with the fact that they are gradually drained by mattresses, an aging nation - there will not be enough energy reserves for all and Fukushima is just the beginning ...
  • Rostislav
    Rostislav 23 November 2019 09: 25 New
    +10
    Japan signed a surrender.
    He does not want to sign a peace treaty. Their problems. They lived without a contract for 75 years.
    Why is Russia so eager to sign this agreement? Japs, his absence does not bother.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 23 November 2019 09: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: Rostislav
      Japan signed a surrender.
      He does not want to sign a peace treaty. Their problems. They lived without a contract for 75 years.
      Why is Russia so eager to sign this agreement? Japs, his absence does not bother.

      This is not Russia seeking to sign an agreement, but Japan to return the island
    2. Karen
      Karen 23 November 2019 19: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Rostislav
      Why is Russia so eager to sign this agreement?

      Maybe it's ... you want a ransom? After all, Kasparov was also proposing to sell under the USSR, for a very expensive ...
  • Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 23 November 2019 09: 28 New
    +2
    Lavrov: We will wait for an answer from Tokyo and, based on this, we will continue the discussion.

    What will the discussion continue about the transfer of territories?
    Russian capitalist can not 30 years in a state of war with the Japanese capitalist? But what about the competition? This is according to the laws of the market, the same war. The conclusion suggests itself: we cannot compete (economically fight) after the collapse of the Union, and therefore a peace treaty is urgently needed. Contribution price: Kuril Islands?
    From Wiki: Contribution (lat. Contributio - “universal contribution, public fundraising”) - payments levied on the losing state in favor of the winning state.
    Well, right back to the results of the Russo-Japanese War of 1905 of the year we are returning. Now it’s fashionable to plunge into the origins of RI, especially shameful ones.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 23 November 2019 09: 35 New
      +3
      That is, the Russian capitalist for 27 years could be at war with the Japanese capitalist, but 30 can’t ?? Very interesting ! Or do you think that by signing a peace treaty with Japan the competition will disappear, which, according to the laws of the market, is the same war? As soon as this can come to mind! Do you even understand what you write?
      1. Rostislav Bely
        Rostislav Bely 23 November 2019 09: 47 New
        +1
        There is no profit in the world economy - there is a redistribution of resources - it is like communicating vessels, somewhere it has arrived somewhere, not from A-Centauri we are trading to squeeze the profit ...
        People really don’t understand what they are writing - Japan has an extra life on this holiday (redistribution of resources, followed by the EU), and the USSR fulfilled its main function - it allowed the Third World countries to rise, even though the USSR betrayed it by the elite, which they stopped shooting after Stalin - that is, the third the world didn’t have genocide, a la golden billion of that time ...
      2. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 23 November 2019 09: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: 1976AG
        That is, the Russian capitalist 27 years could be at war with the Japanese capitalist, but 30 can not ??

        According to our press, the issue of transferring the Kuril Islands was raised by the "young reformers" even under Mechen. This is about 27 years could.
        Quote: 1976AG
        ... by signing a peace treaty with Japan, competition will disappear, which, according to the laws of the market, is the same war ...

        If they understand this, then why let the "goat" into their garden by "joint development of territories"? The Chinese have already been allowed. How the locusts cut the taiga.
  • V1er
    V1er 23 November 2019 09: 37 New
    +8
    Japan cannot offer anything in return. The Kuril Islands are too fat a piece, very strategically important militarily for Russia and the United States. Non-freezing ports and passages, a place for air defense and rsd bases, access to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. There are also huge bio-resources and minerals. Price Smoked Trillions of Dollars. I don’t understand what kind of talk can be.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 November 2019 10: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: V1er
      Non-freezing ports and passages, a place for air defense and rsd bases, access to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. There are also huge bio-resources and minerals. Price Smoked Trillions of Dollars. I don’t understand what kind of talk can be.

      And you can add a lot more. But for us, the loss of the Kuril Islands will be tantamount to the loss of Russian America. (The traitors Gorbachev and Shavarnadze have already managed to make a fuss).
  • RideMaster
    RideMaster 23 November 2019 09: 39 New
    +3
    Yes, this is all idle talk.
    The Japanese are very afraid of China. They cheated there when China was not so powerful, and now they understand that the return will necessarily fly. Therefore, there will be no withdrawal of American troops, this is their only hope for survival.
    Although one day America will treat them like Kurds, when China gradually begins to act.
    1. Axel
      Axel 23 November 2019 09: 49 New
      +3
      The degree of fear of the Chinese is greatly exaggerated Ross. propaganda. The Chinese are also not interested in the Japanese islands. There are no resources there. But one northern neighbor very much has it.
  • gregoryivanov
    gregoryivanov 23 November 2019 09: 41 New
    +3
    Let a member of the samurai smell it, not the Kuril Islands. Although Vova may give. He gave the Chinas the territory of the Amur.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 23 November 2019 09: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: gregoryivanov
      Let a member of the samurai smell it, not the Kuril Islands. Although Vova may give. He gave the Chinas the territory of the Amur.

      Read the rules for demarcating borders along river beds.
      1. Avior
        Avior 23 November 2019 10: 21 New
        +1
        These rules were a hundred years old this year. The USSR did not interfere.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 November 2019 10: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: gregoryivanov
      He gave the Chinas the territory of the Amur.

      Stalin incremented the territory, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev, Eltsin, Putin gave the territory. In you is a question for thought, "Who is the guardian of the Russian Land?"
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 23 November 2019 09: 49 New
    +2
    In such topics, one can clearly see who is a liberal and who is a patriot. The world is changing, the Union has long been gone, what a declaration. The islands belong to Russia without any conditions.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 23 November 2019 11: 01 New
      0
      Quote: Gardamir
      In such topics, one can clearly see who is a liberal and who is a patriot. The world is changing, the Union has long been gone, what a declaration. The islands belong to Russia without any conditions.

      The Russian Federation is the successor of the USSR.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 23 November 2019 11: 12 New
        +1
        It was the Union that defeated Japan and the islands rightfully belong to it. Or the current ones will recall only those laws that are beneficial to them. But once again I repeat the world has changed, maybe it's time to create new treaties, not a scratch.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 23 November 2019 09: 50 New
    -1
    I am not a diplomat or an international lawyer .. But I need to give them the islands so that they themselves do not want to take them.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 November 2019 16: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      But they need to give the islands in such a way that they themselves do not want to take them.

      How and under what sauce do not give them away, but then you have to bite your elbows
  • Tersky
    Tersky 23 November 2019 10: 07 New
    +5
    Quote: Avior
    And about collective self-defense, there is a direct link to the 51 article of the UN Charter,

    Well, read what it is about and tell us when the USSR or the Russian Federation managed to attack Japan.
    Art. 51 UN Charter
    This Charter does not in any way affect the inalienable right to individual or collective self-defense, should it occur armed attack on the Member
    We open the legal encyclopedia and carefully read -
    COLLECTIVE SELF-DEFENSE - in international law - joint retaliatory armed actions of two or more states undertaken by them to restore political independence, territorial integrity and inviolability of one of them, who was the victim of an armed attack
    . Do not confuse warm with soft, and do not read only what is beneficial to you.
  • askort154
    askort154 23 November 2019 10: 18 New
    +3
    The military alliance (of Japan) with the United States, of course, is a problem in giving new quality to Russian-Japanese relations.
    Sergey Lavrov noted that Russia has already raised concerns about Japan over the fact that the US military presence in the Land of the Rising Sun remains.
    We will wait for an answer from Tokyo and, based on this, we will continue the discussion.

    Well, finally, they openly said what they should have said back in 1956.
    Of course, it was possible to use the word “insist” instead of the word “concern”. But come on, it’s good that they’ve even begun like that, with a thick diplomatic hint - what can you agree on now if you are an occupied state. yes
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 23 November 2019 10: 24 New
    -6
    The Kremlin people in their stubbornness protect the Kuril Islands for the Chinese. Pragmatists agree more quickly.
  • Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 23 November 2019 10: 29 New
    0
    It would not hurt Lavrov to remind himself that it was not he, not Putin, and not Khrushchev who returned the Kuriles to Russia, and it was not for you to give them back ...
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 23 November 2019 11: 03 New
      -2
      Quote: Sapsan136
      It would not hurt Lavrov to remind himself that it was not he, not Putin, and not Khrushchev who returned the Kuriles to Russia, and it was not for you to give them back ...

      It would not hurt to remind you that Putin has repeatedly stated that the islands are the territory of the Russian Federation and there can be no talk of transferring them to Japan.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 23 November 2019 11: 27 New
        +3
        He can declare anything, then he will ask to be treated with understanding. You were not taught in childhood that people should be judged by deeds and not by words.
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 23 November 2019 11: 31 New
          -2
          Well, judge by deeds, who's stopping you? They returned Crimea, defended Abkhazia and South Ossetia .. They haven’t given anything yet.
          1. Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 23 November 2019 11: 39 New
            +4
            But what about the shelf that Medvedev leaked to Norway? What about the border with China ?! All cross-border disputes are not resolved in favor of the Russian Federation ... Abkhazia and South Ossetia ?! And what am I to them if they are not part of the Russian Federation ?! Crimea?! Crimea returned, GDP itself was frightened ... because Donbass did not return and Ossetia did not reunite ...
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 23 November 2019 11: 47 New
              -3
              The border with China was drawn as expected by international standards, and not by our desires. Crimea returned and scared? Did he tell you this himself or did you have a dream? No need to fantasize, you do it badly. If Abkhazia and Ossetia were not included in the Russian Federation, then you do not care that we protected citizens from extermination? I understand, you do not care about people. I don’t know about the shelf, educate.
              1. Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 23 November 2019 12: 08 New
                +3
                You leaked the border with China, it was conducted without you and it wasn’t for you to change ... Google to help regarding the shelf with oil and gas that Norway leaked to Medvedev ... And yes, I don’t give a damn about foreign tsars, for whom Russia is only a cash cow , I don’t want to save or feed them ... They don’t want to be part of the Russian Federation, then they don’t eat Russian bread and protect themselves ... And don’t take credit for the fact that you feed foreign parasites at the expense of the Russian budget, this is for you not plus but minus
                1. 1976AG
                  1976AG 23 November 2019 13: 26 New
                  -4
                  You don’t give a damn about the kings, they usually always remain full and I haven’t said anything about the kings that you come up with? I spoke of a simple population that just wanted to be slaughtered like cattle. And it’s the salvation of ordinary people that I credit, and their belonging to the state is secondary. But you do not understand this.
                  1. Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 23 November 2019 21: 05 New
                    +3
                    But I am not interested in the population of territories that are not part of the Russian Federation .. Russia does not see anything good from them ...
              2. Potato
                Potato 23 November 2019 12: 56 New
                -1
                Crimea was returned primarily because there was a plan and a strategic direction for the gas pipeline to Bulgaria. Until the plan was turned off by force from the outside, and we had to come up with the South Stream through Turkey, which 4 of 3 pipes were then cut into scrap metal.

                But coming to power outside Ukraine, do not understand anyone - this is a strategic and fatal mistake of the foreign policy of the Russian Federation, which is now unknown how to rake.

                Yanukovych, cheap stuff, in Rostov? Why wasn’t he deployed at the border and sent back to Kiev to restore order in the territory controlled by him? There was no one to strengthen it? How could this be so .... shy?
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 23 November 2019 11: 41 New
            +1
            "returned" at the cost of Donbass and Odessa.
            About the gifts of Norway to China and Azerbaijan, you are silent. And in South Ossetia there was no connection with the Kremlin, as it appeared so immediately stopped moving to Tbilisi.
            And he talked about the wooden mac, and then asked to be treated with understanding.
            And in his reign, medicine was optimized, so soon there will be no one to treat, nothing and nowhere.
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 23 November 2019 12: 02 New
              -4
              Who told you that they returned at the cost of Donbass and Odessa? Grandmothers at the entrance? What are Norway's gifts to China and Azerbaijan? In South Ossetia, who had no connection with the Kremlin? You ? The military had it. And also, and yet ... List all that is enough time and energy.
  • Lelek
    Lelek 23 November 2019 10: 34 New
    +3
    ... official Tokyo should once again be reminded that the Kuril Islands are an internal affair of Russia for the simple reason that it is an integral part of our country.

    Exactly inalienable and is not subject to transfer to anyone. Tourists from neighbors, scientific expeditions, financial investments in maintaining the environment - this is welcome (in accordance with Russian laws), but nothing more.
  • thinker
    thinker 23 November 2019 10: 36 New
    +4
    Quote: Avior
    Lavrov ridiculously framed.

    That you framed! What is written here is not exactly what Lavrov said. By the way, the article does not indicate where, when. Any information should be checked.
    ... agreed to move forward in discussing the problems that remain with us, on the basis of the 1956 declaration, which clearly states: first we recognize the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Russia over all our lands, including these territories, thereby recognizing the results of World War II , and then, perhapseverything else will be discussed

    https://tass.ru/politika/7184165
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 23 November 2019 10: 44 New
      +4
      Thank God that there was at least one person who ran his eyes through the news feeds. Now only everyone is trumpeting that Lavrov demanded that Japan recognize Russia's sovereignty over the Kuril Islands.
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 25 November 2019 13: 10 New
        0
        Article - a provocation? The key thought is precisely the “letter of the agreement on the withdrawal” of mattress bases from Japii. Lavrov, specifically, did not say that?
        1. rudolff
          rudolff 25 November 2019 14: 27 New
          +2
          According to Lavrov, the US-Japanese military-political alliance creates obstacles to concluding a peace treaty with Moscow. Here is what Lavrov said: “A military alliance with the United States, of course, is a problem in giving new quality to Russian-Japanese relations. I recall that even when the 1956 declaration was agreed upon, then the Soviet Union already said that everything could be implemented, this declaration could be implemented. only in full, only in the context of the termination of the US military presence in Japan, "he said.
          Now look how it is stated in the article. The article is really provocative.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 25 November 2019 15: 25 New
            0
            So, next, such a game. We will consider returning the islands to you if the Yankees get out of Japan and they never get out. And if they withdraw the bases, what will hinder them from returning and deploying any forces in the region.
            Everything as usual. Nothing, diplomats should work. Express concern and take positions in all directions. Olympians without a homeland and a flag, (following the same apparently) depressed Russian real estate, and before Yugoslavia, Libya, Bandera scum in Ukraine ...
            1. rudolff
              rudolff 25 November 2019 16: 32 New
              0
              That's right, but what do diplomats have to do with it? Lavrov only pursues a foreign policy, but Putin determines it. Lavrov himself is much tougher than Putin, but you can’t jump above your head. Lavrov at the meeting suggests symmetrically expelling American diplomats, Putin shuts him up and instructs not to expel anyone, and invite their children to the Christmas tree in the Kremlin. And how many times it was like that!
              As for this particular declaration, this is perhaps the first case in recent times when Putin was frightened of his own people. At first, he really wanted to give these two islands in exchange for kisses. Therefore, after all, they began to equip Matua, in order to ensure the safe passage of ships after the transfer of the islands. And then a wave of discontent ... And the wave is serious. So they began to work back. They remembered that at first the peace treaty, then the islands. That the withdrawal of American troops was a stipulated condition for the execution of the declaration. Etc.
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 25 November 2019 18: 46 New
                0
                If "cross-witted", if defeat after defeat, can it just go away? No?
                I do not think that the fate of Ribentropp awaits him. Although the image blow to the Kremlin will be powerful.
    2. Potato
      Potato 23 November 2019 12: 49 New
      -7
      We have no problems regarding the declaration of 56. She is not valid. Lavrov again brechet ...
      1. Rusland
        Rusland 23 November 2019 13: 47 New
        +10
        Quote: Potato
        We have no problems regarding the declaration of 56. She is not valid. Lavrov again brechet ...

        And in what, Antoshka, is it not valid? They say it on your farm, only dogs neglected. yes
  • ilik54
    ilik54 23 November 2019 11: 05 New
    +3
    Well, so let the Japanese become part of Russia as an autonomous republic - and so they will be part of not only the islands, but the whole of Russia. Our country is multinational and multiconfessional, so that the Japanese will not be worse. And in Okinawa, we will put up our missile bases to protect our territory from the Americans.
  • Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 23 November 2019 11: 08 New
    +1
    In my opinion, nobody is going to give anything to anyone. But it’s necessary to speak, they’re talking.
  • demo
    demo 23 November 2019 11: 22 New
    +2
    Russian Foreign Minister acknowledges the obvious
    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov made an unexpected reconciliation statement,
    regarding US policy in the post-Soviet space. He had to admit the obvious -
    namely, that America has interests in this space, moreover, legitimate ones.
    The only wish that the main Russian diplomat expressed was that action
    Washington in the former Soviet estate was understood by Moscow.
    At the same time, Lavrov outlined the main range of American interests, which, in his opinion,
    are the fight against terrorism and access to energy. Touching on a series of color revolutions,
    thundered in recent years in the former Soviet republics, the minister stressed that
    the development of democratic processes in this region is impossible without the participation of Russia.

    http://www.gundogar.org/?0234042185000000000000011000000

    True, this was said a long time ago, but did he think so?
    That's the whole Lavrov.
  • arnulla
    arnulla 23 November 2019 11: 31 New
    0
    You will never leave Japan. That’s what you need to do.
  • arnulla
    arnulla 23 November 2019 11: 33 New
    0
    Well, not pi..ndo ... sy)) Americans.
  • Potato
    Potato 23 November 2019 12: 44 New
    0
    All this fuss around the Kuril Islands is needed only for the sake of one ...

    For the sake of a comfortable and safe old age, a citizen of the Russian Federation named Vladimir, a lover of martial arts. And what? In Japan, old people live long and well! He will give them these islands and leave to live there.

    You think it can't be like that? Is this unthinkable? Look to the West, to cozy Germany. One former Secretary General of the Central Committee of the CPSU has already created the unthinkable of such, if not more, level to secure a long and safe old age there ... And how did this trademark become the Secretary General of the Central Committee? But he is still alive and rejoices.
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 23 November 2019 13: 17 New
    +1
    When this crazy bargaining for the Russian lands is already over ...
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  • Vadmir
    Vadmir 23 November 2019 15: 00 New
    +4
    The Kuril Islands are an internal affair of Russia for the simple reason that it is an integral part of our country.
    Exactly! Not an inch of Russian land!
    But if negotiations are ongoing, then this is not the case for management. So, there are conditions under which the islands can be given away. The only question is the price (though the price is not always dollars or rubles).
    There are no other explanations for negotiating.
  • From Siberia we
    From Siberia we 23 November 2019 15: 18 New
    +1
    We will give the smokers and that's why:

    Vice Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak has a Swiss residence permit.

    Deputy Prime Minister Deputy Prime Minister Olga Golodets has a residence permit in Italy. Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov has permanent residence in Spain.

    The Minister of Labor and Social Protection Maxim Topilin has a residence permit in Bulgaria.

    Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade George Kalamanov has a residence permit in the UK.

    The deputy minister of economic development, an Azerbaijani Talybov, has a residence permit in France.

    Deputy Minister of Finance Alexey Lavrov has permanent residence in Italy.

    Murad Kerimov, Deputy Minister of Natural Resources and Ecology, has permanent residence in France and Cyprus residence permit.

    Deputy Minister of Culture Nikolay Ovsienko has a residence permit in Bulgaria.

    Governors:

    Andrey Vorobyov Governor of the Moscow Region has a residence permit in Spain and Israel

    . Alexander Uss Governor of the Krasnoyarsk Territory has a residence permit in Germany.

    Stanislav Voskresensky governor of the Ivanovo region has a US green card.

    Boris Dubrovsky, ex-governor of the Chelyabinsk region has a residence permit in Switzerland.

    Maxim Liksutov, vice-mayor of Moscow, head of the Department of Transport has Cyprus citizenship.

    Members of the Federation Council:

    Valery Ponomarev has British citizenship.

    Boris Nevzorov holds the citizenship of Cyprus.

    Andrey Klishas has permanent residence in Switzerland.

    Arsen Kanokov has a UK residence permit.

    Elena Mizulina has a residence permit in Belgium.

    Alexander Babakov has British citizenship. Suleiman Kerimov has permanent residence in France.

    Deputies of the State Duma:

    Alexander Zhukov - Residence Permit of Great Britain.

    Andrey Golushko - residence permit in France.

    Grigory Anikeev - Spanish citizenship.

    Alexander Prokopiev - permanent residence in Cyprus.

    Ayrat Khayrullin - permanent residence in Spain.

    Leonid Simanovsky - citizenship of Israel and permanent residence of Cyprus.

    Rizvan Kurbanov - permanent residence of Turkey.

    Mikhail Schapov - Residence Permit for Spain.

    Alexander Kravets - permanent residence of Montenegro.

    Grigory Balykhin - permanent residence in Montenegro.

    Elena Bondarenko - residence permit in Italy.

    Igor Lebedev - US Green Card.

    Vyacheslav Nikonov - US citizenship.

    Alexander Remezkov - US Green Card.

    Nikolai Bortsov - British citizenship.

    Otari Arshba - Georgian citizenship.

    the list is not complete. and plus children
    1. nikon7717
      nikon7717 24 November 2019 12: 36 New
      -1
      What do you say. There are such lists. Probably they need someone. Here is an example. http://russiahousenews.info/analitics-and-comments/gde-hranyat-detey-dengi-patrioti-rossii. But look who makes these lists. This specifically: The Russian House newspaper is the first and largest Russian-language publication in the state of Georgia (Georgia). Published since 1992.
      I look similarly others. According to Navalny ...
      Somehow, I immediately suspected the purity of the intentions of these sites, the financing of which is carried out by a potential adversary. I’ll start to suspect not good intentions.
      1. From Siberia we
        From Siberia we 24 November 2019 17: 47 New
        0
        And what is the difference between the information from the bulk or not? I remember that information can be reliable, timely, complete, objective. ro sources did not say anything
        1. nikon7717
          nikon7717 25 November 2019 07: 28 New
          -2
          You have received a flyer. Red Army soldiers drop their weapons, do not fight, the regime of the Bolsheviks is rotten, we have delicious food waiting for you ...
          This is like information. Reliable timely, but from whom and in whose interests? Fear Danians bringing gifts. Think.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 25 November 2019 13: 20 New
            0
            And where is the reliable information? Sheer lies. And the reliability of the lists is likely.
      2. Essex62
        Essex62 25 November 2019 15: 56 New
        0
        Many of these gentlemen do not deny, or did not deny, at a time of lesser rampant "patriotism" in the Russian Federation.
        1. nikon7717
          nikon7717 25 November 2019 21: 36 New
          0
          Alexander! You slide into the topic of evidence of whether people (or relatives) from the list have Western citizenship. I am writing to you that the goal of foreign agents (you need to understand where who, if you see the source of financing), to sow confusion among us. Replace people who are acting against the goals of the United States today (they have already been taught the experience of Gorbachev, do not want leftovers from the master's table, for treason) by their own, who will rob Russia and make everything worse than in Ukraine.
          Kim Jong-in also lived in the United States, loves the NBA, a lot of American, but he is for Korea everything and everyone.
          Those on this list realized that in the West and only a minimum of light, but here they break the bank. Something like that if on your fingers :))
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 26 November 2019 09: 14 New
            0
            Serving the golden calf and patriotism are not compatible things. Once the escape routes are being prepared, the cozy mink is not patriots. The psychology of the huckster is selfish through and through, self-sacrifice in the name of the Motherland and the People. I can hardly imagine the current ideologists of Russian, bourgeois patriotism, under hurricane fire raising fighters to the attack. There is not any confrontation, with meager non-humans, among those in power and the aligarchs whose interests they represent. Distracting people's attention from their own cannibalistic ministry. It even shines for many, with considerable nest egg and immovable. An example of a tagged off topic, a recruited traitor lives in accordance with the status of an agent who has qualitatively completed the task. The Russian bourgeoisie, formed in the bloody 90s, is a completely different matter. For them, Russia is only a source of profit, and the people are a cash cow.
            1. nikon7717
              nikon7717 27 November 2019 00: 15 New
              0
              The fact that the country is a cash cow, for the oligarchs, yes, 100 pounds. However. All these oligarchs of ours have already realized that without a strong country they themselves will also be robbed as they robbed a country. Example with RUSAL. Like Deripaska, control over RUSAL and EN + was squeezed out, beating him and the shareholders for a few lard greens. After that, Deripaska transferred everything that is possible from offshore zones in the Russian Federation. Interests diverged. Confrontation of capital. As a result. The coincidence of the interests of the state and the oligarchs in the struggle against the Western monopoly and for sales markets. Feint
  • Leonid Bailov
    Leonid Bailov 23 November 2019 16: 36 New
    0
    Can someone from legally savvy citizens explain what the problem is? Japan signed an unconditional surrender. Why does Japan make a reservation and set conditions?
    1. Alross
      Alross 23 November 2019 17: 42 New
      0
      Walruses, the owners of the media, need to keep a Russian bear daily. This is the installation on top. So they masturbate with their articles. And who is there looking at that Ueponia. 1 poison a device (bomb, rocket, etc.) and ueponia are gone forever.
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 23 November 2019 17: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: Leonid Bailov
      Can someone from legally savvy citizens explain what the problem is? Japan signed an unconditional surrender. Why does Japan make a reservation and set conditions?

      Because our bonuses are trading with her about something, it’s obvious.
      1. Leonid Bailov
        Leonid Bailov 23 November 2019 18: 21 New
        0
        Where do bonuses come from? And who authorized them to resolve issues on behalf of the Russian people !? Theoretically, yes! In fact, NO. What are the oligarchs doing so badly? It was said by the Japanese, after the war of 1905, all previous treaties were canceled by the results of the war. all previous treaties are canceled by the results of the war! We need good lawyers! They will quickly prove that the Japanese are wrong.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 23 November 2019 19: 12 New
          -1
          Quote: Leonid Bailov
          Where do bonuses come from? And who authorized them to resolve issues on behalf of the Russian people !? Theoretically, yes! In fact, NO. What are the oligarchs doing so badly? It was said by the Japanese, after the war of 1905, all previous treaties were canceled by the results of the war. all previous treaties are canceled by the results of the war! We need good lawyers! They will quickly prove that the Japanese are wrong.

          Where do bonuses come from? From the tacit consent of the people. And since the people are silent, the bonzes do what they consider to be necessary.
    3. From Siberia we
      From Siberia we 24 November 2019 17: 43 New
      0
      because a lot of time has passed and the world has changed
  • VB
    VB 23 November 2019 21: 00 New
    +2
    How laurel and Putin would like to convey the Kuril Islands to the Japanese! Already drooling.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 24 November 2019 10: 20 New
    +2
    The true weight of Russia is immediately visible: occupied Japan sets the conditions for sovereign Russia. I suspect that Japan itself does not really need this treaty, that Russia is eager to conclude it at any cost. It’s just that he will not save the person’s face (the agreement is the last insane attempt to show a successful foreign policy on the eve of the election in the year 24): Japan will not sign it without the islands, much less go to the withdrawal of American troops. Japan has principles, there is ideology and there is foreign policy. These are only our bumps for the sake of momentary benefit our mother is ready to sell. Which is the main difference between civilized and wild countries.
    1. VB
      VB 25 November 2019 20: 49 New
      -1
      Everything is very simple: it is necessary, at the expense of the Russian people, to make a promise not to pursue and not to take away money and property. And then, calmly move to Japan to our infallible president, for he believes only the promises of the Japanese. He understands that he will be thrown in the West, and he is scared to stay in Russia. Sooner or later, will have to answer for twenty years of the destruction of Russia and the Russians.
  • Selxozotdel
    Selxozotdel 24 November 2019 11: 39 New
    0
    We will wait for an answer from Tokyo and, based on this, we will continue the discussion.

    Well, finally, Russia, one of the trump cards presented to Japan and the United States .... What say "gentlemen" .. Do you need Kuril Islands?
  • Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 24 November 2019 15: 43 New
    +1
    In fact, Russia hardly needs the United States to withdraw troops from Japan. Once withdrawn, it can turn into an evil and decisive independent player. She has everything for this, or will quickly be ...
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 25 November 2019 13: 38 New
      0
      Very good thought. Samurai, still preserved, simply need to be prevented, to stop the transformation of the nation into an amorphous substance. Mattresses did everything for this decade, cultivating their values ​​in Japanese society. But now the situation has changed. Not up to total control over the japs ​​of the mattress and staff shortage. It may well ride with the samurai.
  • Leonid Bailov
    Leonid Bailov 24 November 2019 17: 52 New
    +2
    Once again I am interested in lawyers. Japan signed an unconditional surrender. Those. winners can do whatever they want. Then! I recall an example. After the war of 1905, Japan stated that all previous treaties were not valid, because they were crossed out by the results of the war.