A promising UDC for the Russian Navy: are there reasons for optimism?


One of the layouts of UDC, demonstrated at exhibitions


For many years now, the topic of building promising universal landing ships (UDC) for the Russian Navy has been discussed. According to reports of recent months, next year a similar program will start, as a result of which the fleet will receive new pennants with special capabilities. Most of the information about such construction has not yet been disclosed, but the press publishes certain details that give reason for optimism.

Plans for 2020 year


The possible plans of the Ministry of Defense for the next year became known in September. 11 September TASS, citing sources in shipbuilding, spoke about future construction. The construction of two UDC is planned. The laying of the ships will take place in May 2020 at the Zeriv factory in Kerch. The lead ship will be handed over to the customer until the end of the current state arms program, i.e. until 2027 inclusive.

TASS also reported approximate characteristics of the ships. Their displacement will reach 15 thousand tons. They will be able to carry more than a dozen helicopters of different classes, and a docking chamber for landing and landing equipment will be provided in the hull.

At the time of the appearance of such newsas stated, the design of the new UDC was underway. Over the next few months, it was planned to sign a construction contract.

A few days later one of the leaders of the Ministry of Industry and Trade confirmed the availability of work on the subject of UDC. The creation of such ships is indeed included in the State Arms Program. Work on the project went according to plan.

Soon it became known that the Zaliv factory was really working on the possibility of its participation in the shipbuilding program. However, details were not followed.

Project task


On November 17, TASS received a new message about the UDC project. According to unnamed sources, the Navy gave the industry a tactical and technical task for a new project. The new TTZ provides for obtaining characteristics that are noticeably different from those previously called. Ships will be larger and can carry more aviation group.

The length of the new UDC will reach 220 m, displacement - 25 thousand tons. The flight deck and deck below the hangar will be able to provide the work of more than 20 heavy class helicopters. Up to 900 paratroopers - two reinforced battalions of the marine corps can be accommodated in the cockpits. Other data has not yet been published. In addition, the announced information again did not receive official confirmation.

Unknown and famous.


So far, not much is known about future UDC planned for laying on the Gulf. Moreover, data from different sources contradict each other. As a result, all the most known information remains unknown. In particular, the number and code of the project accepted for implementation are unknown. Accordingly, it is impossible to determine and evaluate the tactical and technical characteristics of future ships.


UDC "Vladivostok" Mistral Ave. - the ship was not transferred to Russia

However, in recent years, the topic of UDC has been raised with enviable regularity, and concept projects from domestic shipbuilding organizations have gained wide popularity. Probably, in the context of future construction, they are talking about one of them - although it is not clear which one.

The first version of the promising UDC several years ago was proposed by the Nevsky Design Bureau. A ship 165 m long with a displacement of 14 thousand tons was proposed, capable of transporting a battalion of marine corps with armored vehicles, as well as landing boats in the docking chamber. About 10 helicopters could operate on the flight deck.

Also, the Krylov State Scientific Center presented its version of UDC called “Surf”. Such a ship should be longer than 200 m and have a displacement of 24 thousand tons. In the cockpits, it was planned to place 500 paratroopers, on cargo decks - up to 50 units of armored vehicles. The docking chamber could accommodate up to six boats. Hangars and a flight deck were designed for 16 transport or combat helicopters.

In 2018, KGNTS announced the improvement of its project. It was also reported that the construction of such ships was laid down in the new State weapons program, calculated before 2027. No new information was received on the Nevsky Design Bureau project at that time.

It is easy to see that the UDC was featured in September messages, similar in design to the Nevsky Design Bureau in terms of displacement and other characteristics. The latest news mentions a heavier ship, similar to the Surf designed by KGNTS. What is the reason for such a difference in publications and in data from sources in industry is not known. She can find various explanations.

Confirmed Data


In recent months, there have been a number of reports about the construction of the UDC, but only a few news were announced by officials and not media sources. The inclusion of UDC construction in the current state armament program has been confirmed. Direct construction should begin in 2020 or a little later. The first ship of a new type will be handed over to 2027, and the second will begin service at the very end of the twenties.

Officially announced the preparation of the Zaliv plant for participation in future construction. This enterprise has significant production facilities and can build large-sized ships. Workshops and a dock ensure the construction of orders up to 300 m long and up to 50 m wide with a displacement of up to 150 thousand tons. This is enough for promising UDC.

It is to be expected that in the coming months there will be new reports on various stages of the shipbuilding program. It is expected to sign a contract for construction, preparatory work and laying the lead ship of a new type. Obviously, all these activities will be accompanied by the disclosure of new data.

What does the fleet want


Since 2018, it has been repeatedly reported that the approval of the Navy fleet received the concept of UDC development of the Krylovsky center. Recent reports indicating approximate characteristics of the planned to bookmark the ship, partially confirm this information.


BDK "Ivan Gren" Ave. 11711 - the newest landing ship of the Russian Navy

Thus, for the Navy there will be two ships with a displacement of 25 thousand tons with the possibility of transporting 900 people, 50 armored vehicles, several boats and at least 16 helicopters. The weapons complex should include several types of anti-aircraft weapons and, possibly, large-caliber artillery. Impact systems are not used.

If we are talking about the Surf project, then UDC will get all the necessary features. In particular, the design of the ship will provide for landing directly from holds on an unequipped coast; over-horizon landing is also possible.

The expected Russian UDC in its characteristics and capabilities will be close to modern foreign models. So, there may be some similarities with the French ships of the Mistral type, which almost entered the arsenal of the Russian Navy. At the same time, significant differences may be present that determine other combat and operational qualities.

Reason for optimism


The news of recent months on the construction of promising UDC shows that the Russian command has decided on plans. Such combat units are needed by the fleet and should be enlisted in a few years. So far we are talking only about two UDC, but in the future a new order may appear.

It should be noted that the Navy could get its first UDC back in 2015. However, the transfer of two ships of the Mistral project was disrupted at the initiative of France. Against this background, active work began on their own universal landing ships, the result of which in a few months will be the laying of two orders. A few years later, the finished UDCs will enter the fleet.

The events of recent years give rise to cautious optimism. The rupture of the Russian-French treaty on the Mistral could adversely affect the development of landing forces. However, the necessary measures were taken, and our industry created its own model for a similar purpose. The situation is gradually changing for the better. Though late, but the Navy will receive the required ships.
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  1. WILL 25 November 2019 05: 33 New
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    Well, it’s good that decide on the fact that the UDC is needed by the Fleet! We are waiting for the bookmark and construction!
    I hope the UDC will not remain only in the plans of the leadership of the country ...
    1. Ross xnumx 25 November 2019 06: 41 New
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      The news of recent months on the construction of promising UDC shows that the Russian command has decided on plans.

      This is good. Uncertainty is a bad help. Birthday is set. Good news.
      1. WILL 25 November 2019 06: 44 New
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        Well, well ... Congratulations! Health and Good Luck hi
      2. Bar2 25 November 2019 09: 24 New
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        this article and the like do not say the main thing, but why Russia needs these transports, who will we attack overseas?
        Landing operations are not defense, but an attack, and whom did our fleet decide to storm overseas?
        1. Sergey1987 25 November 2019 10: 52 New
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          Quote: Bar2
          this article and the like do not say the main thing, but why Russia needs these transports, who will we attack overseas?

          We have enough islands for which it will be necessary, if something happens, to land troops and for the same operation in the SAR they would be useful in 2015.
        2. Earthshaker 25 November 2019 11: 18 New
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          1. Provide PLO connection ships, KUG, KPUG, DesO, convoy.
          2. Provide them with AWACS, using AWACS helicopters.
          3. In the future, trawl mines with helicopter trawls.
          4. Evacuation and (or) assistance to the population of remote settlements and islands in the zone of natural disaster.
          5. Airborne landing support.
          6. Search and rescue operations, from downed pilots to splashed astronauts.
          There would be good ships and aircraft with trained crews, and there will always be tasks for them.
        3. Al_lexx 25 November 2019 11: 39 New
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          Quote: Bar2
          this article and the like do not say the main thing, but why Russia needs these transports, who will we attack overseas?
          Landing operations are not defense, but an attack, and whom did our fleet decide to storm overseas?

          Do not forget that the UDC, in addition to landing, is a floating hospital and command center (communications, coordination). For the Far East, with its many islands, this is an indispensable military unit. And in any remote military operation, such as Syria or in the future in joint operations with some Eastern European countries (the same Serbia and Montenegro will not always be in NATO orbit). Therefore, two ships are needed, for the far and the Black Sea.
          1. dgonni 25 November 2019 17: 27 New
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            In principle, I agree. There is only one question! Who will provide them with PLO and air defense?
            1. jayich 26 November 2019 22: 57 New
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              Yes, they themselves will, displacement allows.
              Polement redoubt in the amount of 36-64 cells fits easily. Nakilnaya gus of normal sizes plus helicopters plus a package of NK and RBU.
              Although Poliment is too greasy, but you can do with shells in the amount of 2-6 pcs. It will be quite
        4. NEOZ 25 November 2019 13: 10 New
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          Quote: Bar2
          why do Russia need these transports

          good question!
          Quote: Bar2
          Landing operations are not defense, but an attack, and whom did our fleet decide to storm overseas?

          You can look at the defense / return of the Crimea to the Second World War. and figure out today's realities. well, for example:
          landing in Odessa.
          tactical assault landing in Libya / Cuba / Venezuela
          You can look at the Falkland War and figure out today's realities. eg:
          There may be an operation to return the Kuril / Sakhalin / Kamchatka
          1. max702 25 November 2019 23: 33 New
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            Quote: NEOZ
            for example:
            landing in Odessa.
            tactical assault landing in Libya / Cuba / Venezuela
            You can look at the Falkland War and figure out today's realities. eg:
            There may be an operation to return the Kuril / Sakhalin / Kamchatka

            What scenarios do you have, however, fantastic .. Sit down and soberly think what are these circumstances that will require the implementation of your scenarios? Return of the Kuril Islands? And how do we lose them? And if you have lost it, before the landing operation it will be necessary to do so much that the landing itself will become the smallest problem. Tactical landing in Libya \ Cuba \ Venezuela raises one question to hell? If the need arises, then not a couple of thousand marines will be needed, but a couple of full-fledged divisions, in reality a couple of dozen divisions with all means of amplification .. For this, several other ships will be needed .. These ships will be used as flag carriers, anti-piracy missions, well, maybe be something to free the evacuation of the hostages .. There will never be any landings in Al Omaha Beach .. Four pieces will be built and enough ..
            1. NEOZ 26 November 2019 12: 41 New
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              Quote: max702
              What scenarios do you have however are fantastic ..

              did you read my full comment?
              there, in the first line, everything is written !!! I agree that the use of UDC is not entirely clear.
              Quote: max702
              Sit down and soberly think what are these circumstances that will require the implementation of your scenarios?

              I did not say that these are real scenarios !!! come up with more realistic scenarios, and we will criticize them ...
              Quote: max702
              Return of the Kuril Islands? And how do we lose them?

              as well as Crimea in 1941, for example.
              Quote: max702
              And if you have lost it, it will be necessary to do so much before the landing operation that the landing itself will be the least problem.

              Of course, the landing should not be carried out in a spherical vacuum.
              1. max702 26 November 2019 12: 54 New
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                Quote: NEOZ
                as well as Crimea in 1941, for example.

                Forget about the affairs of days gone by! Maybe we’ll start pikemen? And why were they once ... Look at today, and in the case of the fleet (since it is a very long-playing project) into the future and very distant. UDC, as it was written earlier, is primarily a counterterrorism vessel in today's realities, with the possibility of evacuating civilians, a means for peacekeeping operations, and anti-piracy actions .. Well, still representative goals somewhere .. That is, the fight against a much weaker opponent .. Six pieces for there is enough fleet, three for the Black Sea Fleet, three for the Pacific Fleet ..
                1. dgonni 26 November 2019 15: 31 New
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                  Of course, I'm wildly sorry. But why are they at the Black Sea Fleet? Nobody will cover such a target from land and sea RCC! And to drown 900 marines at a time, everyone will want anyone with whom they want to land! At the Pacific Fleet? Yes! And there still 5 pieces would be needed. But again, with a cover of a distinct air defense and submarine defense. Which at the moment in fact no. And in the near future will not see!
                  1. max702 2 December 2019 20: 22 New
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                    Quote: dgonni
                    . But why are they at the Black Sea Fleet? T

                    Do you really look at things and do not engage in fiction? What are UDCs needed for today? For landing in Limpopo on an unequipped coast? Or an assault on some kind of large naval base of a country belonging to NATO or their ally (other such bases do not)? No, UDC is the power support of the fleet, and 90% of cases are military transport. How they will be used is very simple to basically carry goods that are not particularly supposed to be known, occasionally participate in exercises and even less frequently anti-piracy and anti-terrorist operations. All .. Accordingly, all these things will happen in the near future in the Mediterranean, in the African and Indian Ocean .. Which fleet will be more convenient to operate at this theater? In the Far East, everything goes to the fact that China will tightly take control of this territory, respectively, there will be no pirates or terrorists there, most likely China will not need them at all, so China will close this question .. There are two UDCs for the eyes of the Pacific Fleet! With whom to fight there? With japan? Or maybe the UK? USA? China? Are you sure that in the event of a conflict with these opponents, UDC is directly irreplaceable? There, it would seem that your hands would immediately reach for the Strategic Missile Forces buttons, and not the UDC will go to sea, except that the UC will buck up, but it’s not the 404th there adequate people live with them completely different problems .. I’ll just repeat setting real tasks and not fantastic scenarios of Al Omaha scourge in Okinawa or Hokkaido ..
        5. maidan.izrailovich 25 November 2019 13: 11 New
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          Landing operations are not defense, but an attack, and whom did our fleet decide to storm overseas?

          You apparently ignored the geography lessons at school. Otherwise, you would know that not every corner of our vast Motherland can be reached by land. If the adversary landed in such a place, then it will be possible to dislodge it in the same way. That is, from the sea.
          As for the use of UDC "overseas", so you will lay out all plans. Maybe even the keys to the apartment, where the money is?
        6. smart ass 25 November 2019 15: 27 New
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          For example, a five-day war with Georgia would be very useful.
          1. Alexey RA 25 November 2019 17: 30 New
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            Quote: Clever man
            For example, a five-day war with Georgia would be very useful.

            In a five-day war, all the tasks of the UDC would be carried out by the usual oddsbr. Georgia is not so great that it needed a fleet for landing.
            1. Dart2027 25 November 2019 19: 46 New
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              Quote: Alexey RA
              Georgia is not so great that it needed a fleet for landing.

              It was after this war that they decided to purchase UDC.
            2. max702 25 November 2019 23: 36 New
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              Quote: Alexey RA
              In a five-day war, all the tasks of UDC

              Duc there and the fleet of the rodent special forces drowned many times more than the Black Sea fleet .. and much cheaper ..
    2. Vol4ara 25 November 2019 11: 07 New
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      Quote: ANIMAL
      Well, it’s good that decide on the fact that the UDC is needed by the Fleet! We are waiting for the bookmark and construction!
      I hope the UDC will not remain only in the plans of the leadership of the country ...

      So, then we do not need aircraft carriers, because we are not going to attack anyone and we are a land power. Usually they respond to VO this way, finding no other justification for the inability to build modern aircraft carriers and wing for them. But why do we need fishing then, are we going to attack someone or are we a sea power?
      1. WILL 25 November 2019 11: 54 New
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        Quote: Vol4ara
        Quote: ANIMAL
        Well, it’s good that decide on the fact that the UDC is needed by the Fleet! We are waiting for the bookmark and construction!
        I hope the UDC will not remain only in the plans of the leadership of the country ...

        So, then we do not need aircraft carriers, because we are not going to attack anyone and we are a land power. Usually they respond to VO this way, finding no other justification for the inability to build modern aircraft carriers and wing for them. But why do we need fishing then, are we going to attack someone or are we a sea power?

        Are you seriously OUR Country washed by THREE Oceans, TWELVE Seas and One Inland Sea - do you consider DRUCH ???
        1. Vol4ara 25 November 2019 13: 24 New
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          Quote: ANIMAL
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Quote: ANIMAL
          Well, it’s good that decide on the fact that the UDC is needed by the Fleet! We are waiting for the bookmark and construction!
          I hope the UDC will not remain only in the plans of the leadership of the country ...

          So, then we do not need aircraft carriers, because we are not going to attack anyone and we are a land power. Usually they respond to VO this way, finding no other justification for the inability to build modern aircraft carriers and wing for them. But why do we need fishing then, are we going to attack someone or are we a sea power?

          Are you seriously OUR Country washed by THREE Oceans, TWELVE Seas and One Inland Sea - do you consider DRUCH ???

          You read my post inattentively, it’s not what I think, it is what most patriotic characters in VO think so. In particular, when it comes to aircraft carriers
        2. max702 25 November 2019 23: 38 New
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          Quote: ANCIENT BATTLE
          Are you seriously OUR Country washed by THREE Oceans, TWELVE Seas and One Inland Sea - do you consider DRUCH ???

          Is there at least one non-blocked and non-freezing access to the ocean by a sea power?
          Although in the presence of strategic missile forces it is not important ..
      2. maidan.izrailovich 25 November 2019 13: 21 New
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        Usually so answer to ....

        At VO different opinions exist.
        Personally mine, then aircraft carriers are needed. And not one. At least five. But first you need to kick the liberals out of the economy. Then money for everything will appear.
        And they are needed just for action overseas. It’s not necessary to attack someone. For example, to support friends and allies. Yes, just those who are against the hegemon. The same Maduro with Morales. And for a more confident position in the UN Security Council, it will not hurt either. We drove to a foreign coast, and at this time our representative with an angry speech in the Security Council.
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  2. acetophenon 25 November 2019 06: 52 New
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    And under what plot? Landing on the unprepared coast of tactical landing?
    1. Pavel57 25 November 2019 10: 16 New
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      Under the Syrian Express.
      1. Kurare 25 November 2019 10: 56 New
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        Quote: Pavel57
        Under the Syrian Express.

        If only for these purposes, then it is much better to have ships of the RoRo type.
        The use of recreation centers for the transport of goods is still a necessary measure.
      2. NEOZ 25 November 2019 13: 10 New
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        Quote: Pavel57
        Under the Syrian Express.

        here we need not UDC, but transports.
      3. Alexey RA 25 November 2019 17: 35 New
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        Quote: Pavel57
        Under the Syrian Express.

        UDCs are not needed to transfer people and equipment between two equipped ports. And BDK are not needed.
        We need a pair of ro-ros, such as the same Captain Smirnov, in state ownership - mobilized by the fleet and protected by the flag of the auxiliary fleet.
        1. max702 25 November 2019 23: 43 New
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          Quote: Alexey RA
          We need a pair of ro-ros, such as the same Captain Smirnov, in state ownership - mobilized by the fleet and protected by the flag of the auxiliary fleet.

          Gold words! Well, maybe not a couple, about six pieces, all the same, there would not be too great distances between our fleets and possible DB theaters, even if you dream and each build 50 tons, then 000 tons of cargo is not to say that there are a lot of straight .. So stretch of needs ..
    2. Al_lexx 25 November 2019 11: 41 New
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      Quote: acetophenon
      And under what plot? Landing on the unprepared coast of tactical landing?

      Operational Strengthening and Management, in the Far Eastern Islands.
      Well, Syria, etc. operations in the mediterranean. Yes, and on Black, some people will think about it more than once, but is it worth returning the Crimea.
  3. rocket757 25 November 2019 07: 00 New
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    A promising UDC for the Russian Navy: are there reasons for optimism?

    That's when it will not be a REASON, but a SHIP, then ......
    1. novel66 25 November 2019 08: 38 New
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      reason for optimism - if you decided that we do not need it ... the dubious pelvis is unknown for what purpose. big ones! hi
      1. rocket757 25 November 2019 09: 31 New
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        Hello Roman soldier
        What they do, what strategy for the future ... I can’t guess.
        In our situation, from the REASON to the DONE it happens in different ways, from just far away, to never will be! Guess what.
      2. Pavel57 25 November 2019 11: 41 New
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        UDC still has limited strike capabilities, first with the help of the Ka-52, then, if any, with vertical take-off aircraft. such steps are better than none.
  4. Flooding 25 November 2019 07: 22 New
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    I wonder what fleets they plan to assign to.
    By the time of delivery, of course, much can change.
    But unhindered access to the ocean is guaranteed only by Pacific Fleet and Northern Fleet ships.
    1. Avior 25 November 2019 08: 21 New
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      With the SF there are nuances in the event of the outbreak of hostilities
      1. Flooding 25 November 2019 08: 39 New
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        There are nuances everywhere. By and large, UDCs are not needed there.
        They would both be on the Pacific Fleet. But perhaps it will be necessary to strengthen the NK grouping.
        And on Black register 11711. Maybe even all four.
        1. alexmach 25 November 2019 13: 07 New
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          So it seems that the Mistrals initially planned to send to the Far East ... in any case, one of them .. The grouping of the NK at the Pacific Fleet should be strengthened in any case, that with UDC without and not only at the Pacific Fleet
          1. Flooding 25 November 2019 13: 12 New
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            Opportunities are limited, so you can do for the time being and half measures.
            Put the DBK, limited to the ships of the near sea zone.
            Immediately cover up all the holes will not work. And UDCs require a cardinal decision.
    2. NEOZ 25 November 2019 13: 11 New
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      Quote: Flood
      I wonder what fleets they plan to assign to.

      to the same place where you planned to attribute the Mistals.
  5. Greenwood 25 November 2019 07: 28 New
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    The preparation of the Zaliv plant for participation in future construction is reported. This enterprise has significant production facilities and can build large-sized ships. Workshops and a dock provide for the construction of orders up to 300 m long and up to 50 m wide with a displacement of up to 150 thousand tons.
    Well, why then do we like to write that there is nowhere to build a promising aircraft carrier? request And here, judging by the description, there are such possibilities.
    1. NEOZ 25 November 2019 13: 17 New
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      Quote: Greenwood
      And here, judging by the description, there are such possibilities.

      50m wide is not much.
      perhaps a light aircraft carrier project (similar to the Indian Wikrant) was proposed for this plant
      but then there will be an avik without an AWACS aircraft.
      maybe laid, after UDC.
      but it is, thoughts aloud ... I do not pretend to be a prophecy.
  6. The leader of the Redskins 25 November 2019 07: 30 New
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    Do I have one feeling de vu? The same photos of the models of the “leader”, aircraft carrier and UDC are twisted in a circle. And all sorts of homegrown experts suck the Hamlet question: to be or not to be? "..." Is it necessary or not needed? "....
    1. Boris55 25 November 2019 08: 27 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      The same photos of the models of the “leader”, aircraft carrier and UDC are twisted in a circle.

      They show that design bureaus work, projects are ready for implementation, but (read below) ...

      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Hamlet’s question: to be or not to be? "..." Need or not need? "....

      Whether it is necessary or not needed is decided at the General Staff, and whether or not to be - in the Duma.
      The Duma adopted the country's budget in the final third reading. How much has she allocated for defense, more than last year or less? That is the whole answer to all our questions.
  7. Alex 1970 25 November 2019 08: 33 New
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    Maybe the article should be written when the project is already decided? And so the third article is about "maybe, or cannot be." To write in order to write?
  8. Chaldon48 25 November 2019 08: 59 New
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    Maybe it’s good that it happened with the French UDC, now it will be purely Russian ships that will calmly “digest” both our fuel and our grease and all our parts, why not bow to someone else’s uncle.
    1. donavi49 25 November 2019 10: 21 New
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      Well, the Mistrals would greatly help in Syria's logistics. It was exported only at the expense of the BTA (that is, if there was a more pro-American leadership in Iraq, they would close the airspace and ask the United States to ensure the inviolability of the air borders - the whole operation would be shortened on the marine supply line) and the voltage of the BDK and KIL from all fleets . Plus the purchase of 6 dead ships, out of stock. That is not up to a choice - what stood for sale, then bought. The result of 6 ships today is Dvinnitsa alive, 2 more in undefined status (repair or decommissioning), 3 have been written off and are waiting for a tender for disposal.


      As for oils and other fuel. He laughed. Here is the beauty and pride of the Fleet - a partner of Gorshkov and other SF ships. The latest is Pashin.



      Do you think there is a diesel diesel from Kolomna? Or a star cylinder from Star? Maybe a Chinese? No - there is similar to Mistral Vyartsila. And there are no problems with oils and so on - but he lives in MURMANSK.
      1. NEOZ 25 November 2019 13: 22 New
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        Well, the Mistrals would greatly help in Syria's logistics.

        they wouldn’t help anything! it's not a transport !!!!!!!
        Quote: donavi49
        So exported only due to BTA

        what nonsense? I have never heard of the Syrian express on airplanes.
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          1. NEOZ 25 November 2019 14: 28 New
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            Quote: Iskander of Alexandria
            Just the same Mistral is transport!

            no, it's not!
            Mistral is a universal landing ship!
            The two main tasks of a helicopter carrier are to land landing forces and assets and control a group, form and unite ships or heterogeneous forces.
            well, at least a little google before writing ...
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          Transport is quite imagined. With 3 functional decks + the ability to lift everything onto the flight deck and unloading at the port. Lucky at once as 2,5 1171 or 4x775. Moreover - he would be able to fully work on a high-intensity route. For 240 of 360 days are marching in technical readiness.



          Plus the possibility of transporting a helicopter group - for which Ruslana and Ily strained. It can transfer helicopters of any class (even Mi-26) on short flights, based on the flight deck. That is, flew in, secured and covered. They flew to Khmeimim on their own on the spot. This way, the staffing and is practiced in the French Navy. And even used in combat conditions (Mali).


          what nonsense? I have never heard of the Syrian express on airplanes.



          And he was. Ily and Ruslana constantly flew wink . And now they fly.
          In order to ensure the activities of the group of forces in Syria 424 voyage by sea and 2785 flights by air. During which transported: by sea 3250 people, 4501 units of weapons and military equipment, 1559000 tons of cargo, 91285 people, more than 1000 units of weapons and military equipment, 55846 tons of cargo were transported by air. Every day, an average of 2000 tons of various cargoes were delivered from Russia to Syria by air and sea.


          The route runs through the Caspian Sea to Iran, there is a turn to Iraq, already to Syria. Since Turkey (they passed non-military cargoes) - quarreled quickly, the route through Turkey became closed for transportation of military cargo and non-military cargoes. All flew through the Caspian-Iran-Iraq.
          1. NEOZ 25 November 2019 15: 03 New
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            transported: by sea

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            1559000 tons of cargo

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            by air

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            55846 tons of cargo

            27 times more cargo transported by sea !!!!
            and on what did they carry these goods?
            on bulk carriers !!!!! those. on transport ships !!!!!
            BTA cargo transportation was carried out not because of the inability to transport cargo by sea, but for another reason! Mistral would not do any weather with the "Syrian express".
            1. donavi49 25 November 2019 15: 30 New
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              Not really on transport ships.

              But you missed 1000 units of equipment brought by air (including all helicopters - they were transported only by air). it only 4,5 times lessthan the fleet.

              But missed 91285 person - against 3250 brought by sea.

              Here it was carried by sea.





              At the same time, I repeat, out of 6 urgent transports purchased, 1 (Dvinnitsa) is now alive, 2 more are in doubt and 3 are canceled (in 20 there will be a tender). The BDK of all fleets passed through the express. In the peak months, at the Pacific Fleet and the Northern Fleet - there remained 1 BDK for each running. All were either in Novorossiysk or in repairs. Well, the strategic reserve - Tkachenko mobilized.

              That is, if the BTA had been cut, then there would no longer be a reserve for increasing transportation.
              1. NEOZ 25 November 2019 15: 46 New
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                Quote: donavi49
                That is, if the BTA had been cut, then there would no longer be a reserve for increasing transportation.

                But what does the BTA have to do with it? - it's about the mistral!
                Well, they would have bought more bulk carriers, what is the problem then?
                during the operation "Anadyr" UDC was not used, however, 50 thousand were transported. military personnel.
                I believe that the UDC would not have any impact on the Syrian "express" because are landing ships, not transport.
              2. Simple 26 November 2019 11: 14 New
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                I think that BTA was transporting goods critical by the time of transportation.
                For example, the same personnel on rotation. Sukhpay issued and "Alga Komsomol."
                By sea, people need to be allowed to make their physiological needs proportional to the duration of the trip.
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  9. Xnumx vis 25 November 2019 09: 03 New
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    Let everything turn out at the shipbuilders. The fleet needs new landing, modern ships. Black Sea especially. There are places where you have to land the Marine Corps over time.
    1. rhino 25 November 2019 17: 59 New
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      They will not swim there, Neptune will not give !!!
      1. Xnumx vis 25 November 2019 21: 04 New
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        They will not swim there, Neptune will not give !!!
        lol SHO Sho !? What a nippon? Who saw him this Svido ukro "Neptune" tongue Is that a rollman with a groysman ... And then in your pocket.
  10. K-50 25 November 2019 09: 10 New
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    Am I “motors” for all this “luxury”?
    Not to put nuclear power plants on UDC.
    1. NEOZ 25 November 2019 13: 23 New
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      "motors" will be all this "luxury"?

      right question !!!!
    2. jayich 26 November 2019 23: 18 New
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      Good old Kolomna diesel plus VRK
  11. Baron wrangel 25 November 2019 11: 54 New
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    In 2015, I spoke with one of the representatives of the Russian military delegation (simply military personnel), who were trained and familiarized with the work of the Mistral in France, because 2 ships of this type were supposed to be delivered to the Russian Federation. So, in his words, the Russian side was not very upset by the termination of the contract, as it managed (!) To get the full technical documentation on Mistral, necessary for the production of similar or similar floating facilities in its own shipyards. Therefore, the UDC parameters will be very predictable. Why reinvent the wheel if the Chinese do it a million times. Wait and see
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  13. Basarev 25 November 2019 12: 39 New
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    Yes, what kind of UDC is there. We would have to deal with small ships so that they had real combat capability. And then there is neither decent anti-aircraft weapons, nor decent anti-submarine anti-submarine capabilities at all. Not even a hangar. Electronics, all sorts of detection radars there - bottom ones. And all we can do is pull a pair of rockets from a safe puddle at a stationary object without cover.
  14. timokhin-aa 25 November 2019 13: 47 New
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    Also, the Krylov State Scientific Center presented its version of UDC called “Surf”. Such a ship should be longer than 200 m and have a displacement of 24 thousand tons. In the cockpits, it was planned to place 500 paratroopers, on cargo decks - up to 50 units of armored vehicles. The docking chamber could accommodate up to six boats. Hangars and a flight deck were designed for 16 transport or combat helicopters.


    Ryabov no matter what the article is past. This is not Surf. This is Avalanche. The surf was different ... I don’t even know what to call it - the drawing with the calculations probably didn’t come to the preliminary design there. A ship without a solid deck. More successful by the way, apparently, if you look at the parameters.

    Then the following happened. The squalor of the "Avalanche" thundered among the specialists so that oh-oh-oh-oh and the info went upstairs, that Lavina is a game, but there is the Surf project, it would be finished, a sane version is promised.

    Well, here KGNTS made a move with the horse - renamed Avalanche to Surf! Checkmate!

    And now this squalor is being carried around exhibitions under a new name. More precisely it is necessary to be.
  15. Operator 25 November 2019 14: 06 New
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    A landing of 900 people is about nothing, except to ensure the evacuation of a civilian type in Yemen in 1986 and 2015.

    To ensure expeditionary operations, as in Syria, we need rollers in the form of a mobile reserve on the balance sheet of Sokomflot or another shipowner with state participation.
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      Quote: Operator
      A landing of 900 people is about nothing, except to ensure the evacuation of a civilian type in Yemen in 1986 and 2015.

      To ensure expeditionary operations, as in Syria, we need rollers in the form of a mobile reserve on the balance sheet of Sokomflot or another shipowner with state participation.

      For the first wave, fine!
  16. Captain45 25 November 2019 14: 45 New
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    Officially announced the preparation of the Zaliv plant for participation in future construction. This enterprise has significant production facilities and can build large-sized ships. Workshops and a dock ensure the construction of orders up to 300 m long and up to 50 m wide with a displacement of up to 150 thousand tons. This is enough for promising UDC.(C)
    So right, they built a bridge to the Crimea, there is a car and train connection, you can safely carry materials and components, now you can build. Tankers and bulk carriers under 50 thousand tons were built on the Gulf even under the Union.
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      More precisely 150 thousand tons of tankers type Crimea.
  17. Vladimir1155 25 November 2019 15: 29 New
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    nobody needs a vessel, will sink right after the first exit to the sea, there are no minesweepers
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      ABM 25 November 2019 18: 28 New
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      no one has mines either - everything has changed a lot since the Russo-Japanese War
      1. Vladimir1155 25 November 2019 23: 02 New
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        no one has mine either

        are you kidding?
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          ABM 26 November 2019 07: 58 New
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          no! Who is mining the exits from the Crimea? consider at least the theoretical possibility of this:
          - the presence of mine barriers special construction;
          - stocks of mines;
          - methods of transporting mines to places of setting;
          - Air defense / anti-aircraft defense / missile defense when setting mines
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          ABM 26 November 2019 08: 10 New
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          stocks of sea mines in the United States can be estimated at about 500 pcs (self-propelled, for installation with submarines) United Kingdom, France, Germany - 0 pcs
          1. Vladimir1155 26 November 2019 10: 49 New
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            Well, 500 is enough for the entire Russian Navy, ...... and what do you work in the Ministry of Defense of France, Germany and the UK and know thoroughly all their weapons stocks taking into account modifications, quantity, design, and deployment methods, for example from airplanes ?. ..so you’re a big boss, young man, maybe you have the rank of full admiral? where am I = cap2 to you?
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              "Generals are always preparing for the past war" W. Churchill. And we should take into account all the latest victory factors (science, technology, politics, psychology, etc.). It’s possible to throw mines from the air, the only condition is that everyone simultaneously oversleep this event - air defense, air forces of the country, naval aviation of the Black Sea Fleet
  18. Scharnhorst 25 November 2019 17: 46 New
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    I admit that we get two UDC. But in a struggle at sea with a serious adversary, such ships cannot be sent to the ocean without air cover (read without an aircraft carrier). For tactical landings in their territories, they are too bulky. Multifunctionality (communication, management, hospital, warehouse) - you can get by with a decent flagship cruiser. Again this is an attempt at revolutionary development. It is necessary to gradually increase the number of ships simpler and specialized, and only then the number will grow into a different quality ...
    1. Xnumx vis 25 November 2019 21: 10 New
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      From Sevastopol to the Straits, Sushki is calmly escorted, and there they meet and lead from Tartus and Khmeinim. God willing in Libya will be established. And everything is fine, under control.
  19. dgonni 25 November 2019 21: 40 New
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    I have only one question! Real worked object has a place to be? Or just an advance project in the form of a preliminary study of the initial performance characteristics? There is Gren with the same approach. Sailors have problems. The second in the series has problems with commissioning. 25 thousand tons and with such parameters? Bookmark two at once? Am I sleeping or has something changed a lot and for us there are well-developed propulsion systems? Are there used boats for landing? Are there heavy helicopters? What is a heavy helicopter in the concept of the Navy, I personally do not understand.
    The usual cut dough on the project. And there is either a shah or an ass. Litter.
    1. timokhin-aa 26 November 2019 14: 15 New
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      Or just an advance project in the form of a preliminary study of the initial performance characteristics?


      Where is the advance project from? Are you kidding me? FIGURE EVEN NO
  20. shoroh 25 November 2019 21: 44 New
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    Such ships need about 30 fleets. Why 30? Yes, so that the nest of imperialism has something to storm and land on. So that the Japs know that the Russians will come and personally punish. So that the Swedes with Norway know. I would generally bet specifically on such ships, strengthen air defense, add a couple of light aircraft carriers, and the attack group is ready.
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      there were reasons for optimism?
      , not yet, Cyril .. !!, but then, -
      Quote: shoroh
      Such ships need about 30 fleets ...
      , - exacerbations in the course of "appeared" ...
  21. bk0010 26 November 2019 12: 50 New
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    And yet it’s somehow wrong that a warship with a displacement of 25000 tons is worse armed than a corvette. If they installed weapons from 22350 on it, it would be calmer.
  22. samaravega 26 November 2019 18: 35 New
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    Quote: "However, the transfer of the two ships of the Mistral project was disrupted at the initiative of France." It (the broadcast) was frustrated by the annexation of Crimea and the war in the Donbass, the initiative of France has nothing to do with the word "absolutely".
    Quote: “Reason for optimism
    The news of recent months on the construction of promising UDC shows that the Russian command has decided on plans. Such combat units are needed by the fleet and should be enlisted in a few years. So far we are talking only about two UDC, but in the future a new order may appear. "
    Urya-Urya! The bases on the moon promised us the same thing. New destroyers and aircraft carriers promised the same. Even a very patient Russian people says: "they are waiting for the promised three years." All the above listed promises have significantly exceeded the indicated period. Tales of UDC are waiting for the next believers? There is only one premise: ENOUGH LIEING OWN PEOPLE FOR HIS MONEY!
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    Is this the same low-speed galosh as the Mistral, or a normal warship, capable of moving in a squadron order if necessary?
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    However, the necessary measures were taken, and our industry created its own model for a similar purpose.
    Funny conclusion. Measures taken .... in 5 years? (Whether they have now decided on the project, or not) Where is the created "own sample"? (the sample implies the SAMPLE, preferably a valid sample, not a layout). What a obscene habit to call real things not by their proper names.
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    New UDC was needed the day before yesterday! The day before yesterday! It was high time to lay the project of the Nevsky Design Bureau - 4 pieces in the plan. And do not rush about with the new "2-battalion" trough, which is purely an excuse for delaying the cause. Well, why the "2-battalion" super-duper project? To limit the number of landing sites? For the risk of drowning 2 battalions of marines at once? For the need to talk about the lack of a more powerful propulsion system? - It seems like for this. Well, and for the otmaz by tightening the deadlines and increasing the estimate, essno. We are waiting for the layout of the "regimental" UDC.