In France, talked about improving the first "hydrogen" catamaran


Against the background of lobbying for the so-called “green” energy package in Brussels, European companies are trying to get impressive investments for implementing projects on renewable energy sources.


First, the essence of the "green" energy package. It consists in the fact that Europe in the coming years should come to a complete rejection of the use of hydrocarbons, including natural gas. Moreover, EU countries must abandon the operation of nuclear power plants, from burning coal. All this is called non-environmentally friendly energy sources. France sharply criticized this approach, noting that at least nuclear power plants should be deleted from this list.

Nevertheless, it was French companies that actively took up the promotion of their projects in the framework of using green energy sources, including projects on the sea. One of them is the design of a marine vessel that does not use gas or diesel fuel when moving. This is the Energy Observer catamaran, a prototype of which is already showing itself in Europe.


When moving, a catamaran is capable of producing hydrogen as an "environmentally friendly" fuel, and the vessel can operate on the same fuel.

Its creation was carried out at an enterprise in Saint-Malo (Brittany, France). For this, the company Energy Observer Developments was created, in which 200 technicians and engineers work.

Hydrogen-fueled catamaran is being improved in terms of increasing the power of the generating unit. They plan to create the final version in 2022 year. And they want to make this project investment attractive so that subsequently in the French region of Brittany, they will create a whole enterprise for the production of so-called "green" hydrogen - fuel for various "environmentally friendly" engines. The cost of the project has not yet been announced.

In France, talked about improving the first "hydrogen" catamaran

At the moment, the “hydrogen” catamaran has been installed with “windmills” (electric generating “sails” “Ocean Wings”) of a special design for additional power generation. Moreover, the design of such "sails" of the "hydrogen" catamaran, as can be seen from the photo, can be different. In addition, the surface of the prototype vessel is covered with solar panels.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins 22 November 2019 18: 43 New
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    Oh and cuttlefish!))) laughing
    1. Politruk-m 22 November 2019 18: 46 New
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      Our Abramovich’s. Already has one in London .. So this is not news .. negative
      1. APES 22 November 2019 20: 24 New
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        covered by solar panels.

        Solar panels - their production - such a dirty business, so the environment is spoiled, but everyone is silent about it ....
    2. Vadim237 22 November 2019 18: 50 New
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      All catamarans are the same, there are trimarans, each developer has his own.
  2. Dmitry Donskoy 22 November 2019 18: 48 New
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    It is a pity that there is no performance characteristics on it request
    1. rich 22 November 2019 19: 26 New
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      Energy Observer.
    2. gcn
      gcn 22 November 2019 20: 03 New
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      The YouTube video is there, everything seems to be clearly explained
    3. Undecim 22 November 2019 21: 55 New
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      Length: 30,5 meters;
      Width: 12,80 meters;
      Displacement: 28 tons;
      Design speed: 8-10 knots.
      Equipped with two Quietrevolution wind generators of the British company Quiet Revolution with vertical rotors.

      In addition, it has 130 square meters of solar panels. m. and installation for hydrogen production and electricity production, apparently - fuel cells with a solid membrane, similar to those used in submarines.
      1. Undecim 22 November 2019 22: 09 New
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        Typo. With a polymer membrane.
  3. Proton 22 November 2019 19: 00 New
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    When the thread catches this hydrogen catamaran laughing
  4. mikh-korsakov 22 November 2019 19: 15 New
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    Do not understand. Hydrogen is obtained by electrolysis of water. In order for electrolysis to pass, it is necessary to expend energy. Where do they get energy to get electrolysis from?
    1. ProkletyiPirat 22 November 2019 19: 23 New
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      Energy is taken from the sun and wind, and hydrogen is a battery.
      1. mikh-korsakov 22 November 2019 20: 12 New
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        Sergei! Hydrogen is a battery. So it must be stored somewhere under pressure. Hydrogen is flowing (although not as much as helium) and is explosive. In Russia, it is forbidden to store hydrogen cylinders in the working room - they are taken out onto the street. So hydrogen should be somewhere on the upper deck - as a comparison, like methane on the roof of "eco-buses." This means that in order to avoid energy losses due to the transfer of hydrogen, the engine must be at the same level as the hydrogen source, the energy received must be transmitted to the propulsion device, and this is the loss. What efficiency was achieved for this procedure - that is, the question of the sheepskin and dressing. In other words - is it not catching fleas?
        1. Avior 22 November 2019 20: 47 New
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          with a properly equipped room there are no such problems.
          methane is completely stored in the trunk of a car
          1. Winnie76 22 November 2019 23: 21 New
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            Explosive limits in air,% vol
            Methane 5-15%
            Hydrogen 4-75%
            Feel the difference
            1. Avior 23 November 2019 00: 47 New
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              The bottom is the same, so from a practical point of view there is not much difference.
              The alarm will work at the bottom.
              1. Winnie76 23 November 2019 01: 04 New
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                Quote: Avior
                The bottom is the same, so from a practical point of view there is not much difference.
                The alarm will work at the bottom.

                4 differs from 5. I sometimes install alarms in boiler rooms. Maybe it works - maybe not. Lottery
                1. Avior 23 November 2019 02: 17 New
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                  slightly different.
                  , all the same, the alarm is not set at the lower limit, but with a margin
                  1. Winnie76 23 November 2019 10: 40 New
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                    Quote: Avior
                    all the same, the alarm is not set at the lower limit, but with a margin

                    20% of the lower limit. If the sensor is in a draft or in a stagnant zone, it is highly probable that the limit has already been reached at another point, and the device is silent. Don't check
        2. ProkletyiPirat 22 November 2019 21: 15 New
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          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          What efficiency ... was achieved

          And here, then, a buried dog arises, what exactly is meant by efficiency and where and how is it calculated? Here, of course, theorists will attack and together with shkolota they will start poking at physics textbooks and screaming you are a fool, and we are bosses. But the fact, nevertheless, is that the efficiency is different and they are considered differently, and in fact from what, where and how to consider the result, it can be diametrically opposite.
          In general, in this project (namely, the project, and not the ship), greenfinch is a PR to justify subsidies and grants, and the essence is in the technologies for generating hydrogen from water with subsequent use in transport. As for the ship itself, hydrogen is an energy accumulator that is used only as a last resort, mainly when maneuvering in narrow places and / or when the wind cannot be used to move in the right direction.
          1. mikh-korsakov 22 November 2019 21: 58 New
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            Sergei. That is, the type of yacht "Duncan" (J. Verne, "Children of Captain Grant"). Well, yes, as far as electrolysis is concerned, the matter is apparently in the selection of the catalyst and adaptation of the electrode material under conditions of water of different hardness, because if you need to distill the water, there is additional hemorrhoids.
            1. ProkletyiPirat 22 November 2019 23: 20 New
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              This is not about electrolysis, but about how investments and grants are issued in the modern world, nobody is interested in either efficiency or environmental friendliness, everyone is interested in hype, publicity, trendiness, popularity.

              Well, in this case, it’s impossible to get money for the development of hydrogen generators, “they are not popular, and indeed how many people tried and failed, then you won’t succeed” but the “greenfinch and alternative” are in trend, retirement is possible. That's actually all sorts of insanity is born when, instead of creating a test bench and generators / engines, cars and ships are created, and this is only because it is then easier to justify the waste of money.
  5. Petrol cutter 22 November 2019 19: 20 New
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    Good. I took note. How to use this steamboat (more precisely, ships with similar power plants) for military purposes? I would like to understand.
    And so, even in the auto industry, I have long noticed that the French, they are so French! ...
  6. knn54 22 November 2019 19: 45 New
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    "Sun, air and catamaran water are best friends" ...
  7. Svetlana 22 November 2019 20: 30 New
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    Quote: mikh-korsakov
    Sergei! Hydrogen is battery. Hence he must somewhere stored under pressure

    If hydrogen is a battery, this does not mean at all that it should be stored under pressure. Learn logic. Well, take a look at the encyclopedia on how to store hydrogen.
  8. Errr 22 November 2019 21: 12 New
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    Yes, George Nikolayevich Danelia - just a seer! )))
  9. Vkd dvk 22 November 2019 21: 24 New
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    For walks along the coast for boys in red jackets suits.
    1. Lopatov 22 November 2019 21: 47 New
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      Quote: wkd dvk
      For walks along the coast for boys in red jackets suits.

      They are not stupid and know how to count money.
      Therefore, rather "for drinking Brussels funds" laughing
  10. Vkd dvk 22 November 2019 21: 26 New
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    Quote: Svetlana
    Quote: mikh-korsakov
    Sergei! Hydrogen is battery. Hence he must somewhere stored under pressure

    If hydrogen is a battery, this does not mean at all that it should be stored under pressure. Learn logic. Well, take a look at the encyclopedia on how to store hydrogen.

    Where and how do you store? In the encyclopedia?
  11. Kelwin 22 November 2019 21: 41 New
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    It looks cool) the main thing is that there would be enough windmills and panels, because hydrogen is a funny thing, it’s going to fly so that debris will fly from France to Japan)
    1. PSih2097 22 November 2019 23: 19 New
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      Quote: KelWin
      dolbanet so that from France to Japan the debris will fly)

      well, there it is not without reason that "TOYOTA" is painted on the nose ...
      1. voyaka uh 23 November 2019 00: 13 New
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        Toyota is one of the leaders in hydrogen engines. Therefore, in such things,
        like this catamaran, lay out the money.
        They plan to convert their cars to hydrogen.
  12. Vkd dvk 22 November 2019 22: 36 New
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    Quote: ProkletyiPirat
    Energy is taken from the sun and wind, and hydrogen is a battery.

    The concentration of wind energy varies widely from 10 W / m-2 (with light breeze 2,5 m / s) and up to 41000 W / m-2, during a hurricane with a wind speed of 40 meters per second (m / s) or 144 km / h. In general, wind energy is proportional to the cube of wind speed. This means that electrical power is extremely sensitive to wind speed (when doubling the wind speed, the power increases eight times).
    The map on this page shows global wind resources. It can be seen that regions with high potential (about 9 m / s) are located in the middle and high latitudes (Antarctica, southern Latin America, Greenland, Northern and Western Europe), as well as in the region of the vast plains and deserts of central North America, Russia, Central Asia and North Africa (approximately 6 m / s).
    The wind speed necessary for generating electricity should be at least 2,5–3 m / s and not more than 10–15 m / s. Many areas of the Earth are not suitable for placement of wind turbines, and almost the same number of areas is characterized by an average wind speed in the range (3–4,5 m / s), which can be an attractive option for generating electricity. However, a significant part of the Earth’s surface is characterized by an average annual wind speed exceeding 4,5 m / s, when wind energy can certainly be economically competitive.
    Energy consumption from the solar panel, at 1 kilowatt per square meter, but with an efficiency of 25%. and daylight hours at 8 ... 12 hours. For morning and evening from the other world 0 kilowatts. Energy consumption per square meter of wind 30 ... 50 watts.
    And the energy consumption per kilogram of gasoline is 13 kilowatts * hours. Have you compared? Gasoline and an internal combustion engine still need to have. In order not to telegraph SOS at full calm and fog for a long period of time.
    Yes, I forgot one more thing - consider the very efficiency when converting the received electricity to hydrogen generation, and the reverse conversion of hydrogen to electricity for the engine and screw.
    1. Fikys 23 November 2019 17: 21 New
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      The average daily production of email. energy of 130m² of solar panels is approximately 80kWh, plus about 20kWh will be given by wind generators, totaling about 100kWh. The same amount can be obtained by burning 30-35 liters of gasoline in a gas generator. The resource of solar panels is 100 times greater than that of a gas generator; they practically do not require maintenance. What to choose is up to you, for example, I like solar panels much more than a smelly, rattling generator;)
  13. Vkd dvk 22 November 2019 23: 59 New
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    Quote: APES
    covered by solar panels.

    Solar panels - their production - such a dirty business, so the environment is spoiled, but everyone is silent about it ....

    ... and with the maximum efficiency already achieved in as much as 25%. Further, there is only another way of conversion. Known methods at a standstill.
    1. voyaka uh 23 November 2019 00: 20 New
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      Bill Gates startup has patented the system and built a prototype plant
      direct conversion of solar energy to steel melting.
      Without any electricity as an intermediary.
      Direct heating of the tank using mirrors to a temperature of 1000 degrees.
      https://www.fastcompany.com/90431869/this-bill-gates-backed-solar-tech-could-help-finally-decarbonize-heavy-industry
      1. Avior 23 November 2019 00: 51 New
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        In the USSR there was a power station in which the water in the tank was heated by mirrors
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 23 November 2019 06: 01 New
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          Both of them stole the idea from Archimedes! laughing
        2. pafegosoff 23 November 2019 13: 08 New
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          Well, it’s probably not a power station, but a laboratory of superhigh temperatures. Experimental alloys and other experiments.
      2. nikon7717 23 November 2019 10: 52 New
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        Read. They want a steel mill. They are. Stupidly advertise a product that will replace coal when heated. However, for a long time already the best furnace for heating is electric. And coal (without it, by no means) is a reducing agent of iron in the charge. How to take oxygen from Fe? Engineers chickens to laugh.
    2. pafegosoff 23 November 2019 13: 10 New
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      And at night they will stand out of place? Or stand in the afternoon and save energy at night?
  14. Antidote 23 November 2019 07: 11 New
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    What do they allow themselves !? Would be drowned with firewood and all! Efficiency is huge, there is a lot of firewood, cheaply, the smoke smells nice. In addition, the observance of ancient traditions.
    It's funny to even read some. To explode, drank the money, co-ko-ko.
  15. pafegosoff 23 November 2019 13: 05 New
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    Do they know how to count?
    And how much will the operation cost, and where will they get the energy for everything without nuclear power plants and thermal power plants?
    From the windmills? Are they eco-friendly?
    Well, let the whole earth instead of plants be forced by solar panels. Which, by the way, will draw heat from the Sun into the air, since they have an efficiency of 12-20%, the rest only heats the air.
    Adventure conceived by nonhumans?
    The goal is clear - to exterminate 90% of the population ...
    Do they need global glaciation?
    However, Europe and the United States are confidently heading towards degeneration.
    1. Fikys 23 November 2019 17: 33 New
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      Quote: pafegosoff
      Do they know how to count?

      Yes. And very good.
      Quote: pafegosoff
      Well, let the whole earth instead of plants be forced by solar panels

      SES capacity equal to the power of all power plants in the world will occupy 0,5% of the Sahara desert.
      Quote: pafegosoff
      Adventure conceived by nonhumans?
      The goal is clear - to exterminate 90% of the population ...
      Do they need global glaciation?

      Are you talking about that ?!
      Quote: pafegosoff
      However, Europe and the United States are confidently heading towards degeneration.

      I don’t know how Europe and the USA are, but judging by your statements, you are taking this course.
  16. Vkd dvk 23 November 2019 13: 45 New
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    Bill Gates startup has patented the system and built a prototype plant
    direct conversion of solar energy to steel melting.
    Without any electricity as an intermediary.
    Direct heating of the tank using mirrors to a temperature of 1000 degrees.
    https://www.fastcompany.com/90431869/this-bill-gates-backed-solar-tech-could-help-finally-decarbonize-heavy-industry

    As they said in your old homeland, "In the garden elderberry, and in Kiev, uncle." To melt steel with a concentrated ray of the Sun, ideally, in theory, bringing it to the surface temperature of the star at a concentration point and expel electrons from the semiconductor. Don't you think you're in trouble? How was Bill Gates going to cast a yacht across the seas with molten metal, ask, is he familiar to you?
  17. Vkd dvk 23 November 2019 13: 57 New
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    Bill Gates startup has patented the system and built a prototype plant
    direct conversion of solar energy to steel melting.
    Without any electricity as an intermediary.
    Direct heating of the tank using mirrors to a temperature of 1000 degrees.
    https://www.fastcompany.com/90431869/this-bill-gates-backed-solar-tech-could-help-finally-decarbonize-heavy-industry

    I do not envy the metallurgists working on this installation. Quickly, quickly, within a few hours, bungle the melting recipe, obtain and adjust it several times. And do not get a "goat". Do you know who (or rather, what) is this? This is a piece of solidified metal in a furnace. In some emergency circumstances, in your case, a sudden rain cloud. Yes, I forgot, in the Negev desert there is no such thing. Although, in any metallurgical business, a large amount of water is required. But this is another question. If you melt the metal with kilograms per year, then the water will be enough brought in the tanker.
  18. Vkd dvk 23 November 2019 14: 06 New
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    Quote: nikon7717
    Read. They want a steel mill. They are. Stupidly advertise a product that will replace coal when heated. However, for a long time already the best furnace for heating is electric. And coal (without it, by no means) is a reducing agent of iron in the charge. How to take oxygen from Fe? Engineers chickens to laugh.

    In this way the materials are melted. For example, ultrapure semiconductors. In a vacuum. Mass in grams.
  19. Vkd dvk 23 November 2019 14: 15 New
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    Quote: pafegosoff
    Do they know how to count?
    And how much will the operation cost, and where will they get the energy for everything without nuclear power plants and thermal power plants?
    From the windmills? Are they eco-friendly?
    Well, let the whole earth instead of plants be forced by solar panels. Which, by the way, will draw heat from the Sun into the air, since they have an efficiency of 12-20%, the rest only heats the air.
    Adventure conceived by nonhumans?
    The goal is clear - to exterminate 90% of the population ...
    Do they need global glaciation?
    However, Europe and the United States are confidently heading towards degeneration.

    They know how, we never dream.
    They are using these “technologies” to extort subsidies from the budget. And raping the country through its representatives in parliaments, lobbying for their interests. To use green energy, triple capacities are needed compared to traditional ones. Generating, accumulating and transforming at first into one type of energy, then into another. At the peak of generation, for example, during the day, the traditional ones at this time produce EXTRA. Since it is not possible to stop a thermal power plant for several hours, and, especially, an atomic one. With the hydroelectric power station, you can do something, stop the turbine by redirecting water past it, but the launch will be painful. And, the most interesting is that this method is accompanied by a loss of energy. Water is wasted. Do not reset it too. Overflowing reservoirs is dangerous. This is the most difficult part of the operation of a power plant. The power of traditional power plants cannot be reduced taking into account the appearance of “green” ones, since the predictability of the work of these stations depending on conditions not regulated by humans is impossible. Hence the rising costs, imposing additional costs on energy consumers. Let's see when the subsidies for this newfangled phenomenon disappear. Those who know how to count will instantly switch to the well-developed and familiar.
    1. Fikys 23 November 2019 18: 09 New
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      Quote: wkd dvk
      At the peak of generation, for example, during the day, the traditional ones at this time produce EXTRA

      It is precisely hydrogen technologies that today are the most promising for solving the problem of non-uniform generation of renewable energy sources, for example, according to the scheme: SES - electrolyzer - gas-turbine generator (or fuel cells, for relatively small capacities).
    2. Fikys 23 November 2019 18: 15 New
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      Quote: wkd dvk
      With the hydroelectric power station, you can do something, stop the turbine by redirecting water past it, but the launch will be painful.

      Why do you think so?! Starting at a full capacity of a stopped turbine of a hydroelectric power station takes several minutes, starting a gas turbine generator takes 20-30 min.
  20. Vkd dvk 23 November 2019 20: 04 New
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    Quote: Fikys
    The average daily production of email. energy of 130m² of solar panels is approximately 80kWh, plus about 20kWh will be given by wind generators, totaling about 100kWh. The same amount can be obtained by burning 30-35 liters of gasoline in a gas generator. The resource of solar panels is 100 times greater than that of a gas generator; they practically do not require maintenance. What to choose is up to you, for example, I like solar panels much more than a smelly, rattling generator;)

    130 squares on a vessel 6 meters long and 3 wide? Maybe you mean sailing layout? Then recalculate the resulting energy, given the angle of incidence of light on the surface of vertically arranged batteries.

    When shooting in the wind, 50 watts per square meter, 20000 watts * hour / 24 (the wind can blow for a whole day / 50 = the area of ​​the wind generator = 16 squares. Translating into the construct is already something reminiscent of the object of attack by Don Quixote.
    Since it’s all about ecology, set sail, and you don’t need any obstruction of the same environment when making this trichomony. Or take the oars.
  21. Vkd dvk 23 November 2019 20: 16 New
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    Quote: Fikys
    Quote: wkd dvk
    At the peak of generation, for example, during the day, the traditional ones at this time produce EXTRA

    It is precisely hydrogen technologies that today are the most promising for solving the problem of non-uniform generation of renewable energy sources, for example, according to the scheme: SES - electrolyzer - gas-turbine generator (or fuel cells, for relatively small capacities).

    This chemistry can not be compared with the efficiency of water storage stations. True, an ideal place on Earth is the only one in Chile. The neighborhood of the ocean, a tall plateau nearby, and the absence of almost any living creatures around. Plateau is the finished bottom of a colossal lake. Pumping water there and letting out when you need electricity, passing through the turbines. The height of the fall is almost a kilometer. The salinization of the soil of the plateau does not bother anyone.
    Everything else is chemistry. Being enlightened by the future power generation of their garbage, you don't know a damn how damaging the environment all these mining operations are in mining and making materials for your mindless grandeur.
  22. Vkd dvk 23 November 2019 20: 24 New
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    Quote: Fikys
    Quote: wkd dvk
    With the hydroelectric power station, you can do something, stop the turbine by redirecting water past it, but the launch will be painful.

    Why do you think so?! Starting at a full capacity of a stopped turbine of a hydroelectric power station takes several minutes, starting a gas turbine generator takes 20-30 min.



    https://bezgin.su/pools

    https://bezgin.su/articles/140-jenergetika/63258-veter-veter-ty-moguch
    And so on.
  23. Petrol cutter 24 November 2019 20: 05 New
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    Having run through the eyes (while I can still see) the opinions of colleagues. I came to the conclusion that this beautiful unit is completely useless. It will not be applied anywhere. Even given the lack of sanctions. Which has a beneficial effect on the French shipbuilding.
    Although mullet, catch ... Sarganov are the same ..
    It’s me who I’m trolling myself. Excuse me.
  24. Vkd dvk 24 November 2019 23: 58 New
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    Quote: Benzorez
    Having run through the eyes (while I can still see) the opinions of colleagues. I came to the conclusion that this beautiful unit is completely useless. It will not be applied anywhere. Even given the lack of sanctions. Which has a beneficial effect on the French shipbuilding.
    Although mullet, catch ... Sarganov are the same ..
    It’s me who I’m trolling myself. Excuse me.

    I would not say so. Like any man-made and made man has a certain value. Like an idea. Like a saying. And in order to prove something. But on practical expediency, this is already for specialists with calculators in their hands.