Lack of strategy is also a strategy. What should we do with Ukraine

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Often you hear such a rebuke: Russia has no strategy towards Ukraine. Maybe not, but maybe we don’t know about her, they don’t report to us about her. On the other hand, the lack of a strategy is also a kind of strategy. Perhaps Moscow really does not know what to do with all this that is happening on our borders?

Eternal questions


If you have a scandal with a neighbor, if he is harassing your relatives and declares himself to be a Sumerian, then a European, and boasts that he is “anti-Russia,” what should I do? What should Russia do with “anti-Russia”? The answer is obvious, so Moscow does not stir up passion, and the process goes on as if by itself according to its iron logic.



Our other, as it were, eternal question: who is to blame for what is happening in Ukraine and generally in the post-Soviet space? There are many answers, from the guilt of tsarism and communism to the failed policy of Moscow in the post-Soviet space in the 90 years.

Meanwhile, there are direct culprits: the USA and Europe. The ideologist of the West, the late Zbigniew Brzezinski, at the beginning of the zero years unveiled a strategy for building a Western world order: against Russia, at the expense of Russia, on the bones of Russia and so on. Nobody in the West, in fact, disavowed this. In principle, Russia would have to impose sanctions against the West for interference and aggression in the post-Soviet space, but ... not for Senka so far this cap. Russia itself barely escaped the expansion of the West in the 90 years, and even today it cannot give an answer on the merits of the question posed by the West, confining itself to counterattacks. And today, Russia has to maneuver in the confrontation with the West and consolidate with China and other non-Western countries so that the West understands how wrong they are.

2014 Turn of the Year


Since the year of direct aggression of the United States and Europe in Ukraine through a coup d'etat, Russia's strategy for Ukraine has nevertheless begun to emerge. In general, it consists in laying the costs of these events and the content of the formed "pro-Ukrainian" regime on the United States and Europe, especially since the latter officially associated Ukraine. Now let it carry it as much as it can.

Implementing this “isolation” strategy is not easy, because the Russian economy will also suffer from a sharp break in all ties: it has tied its Soviet republics too tightly and it is impossible to free itself from this burden “all of a sudden”. Nevertheless, this strategy began with the policy of import substitution of Ukraine in the military sectors, it gradually extends to non-military sectors, we see this in the counter-sanctions against Ukraine announced last summer.

The “isolation” strategy is also being implemented by Russia in relation to the West as a whole, since “Ukraine” is only part of the problem, an episode in a hybrid war with the West. Although the great interdependence of Russia and Europe makes this process difficult and contradictory. However, the import substitution of Europe and the United States in Russia also occurs, primarily due to the development of economic relations with China and the BRICS countries. The Turkish Stream, Power of Siberia pipelines to China are precisely the beginning of import substitution in Europe. In Paris and in Berlin, they understand this, so they seized on the SP-2 and suddenly remembered "Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok."

Maidan miracle


There is never a blessing in disguise, in this sense, the Ukrainian showcase of achievements of the West for six Euro-Maidan years affects Russia and the whole world is very sobering. Our own latent Bandera people showed up, and many still moved to Ukraine and even picked up who feather and who weaponotherwise you would still be fooled by our “human rights”.

Bandera people who came to power in Ukraine are “truthful” stories they compose, but they work poorly and rule the country. This became clear already in the 2014 year, when the Maidan Nazi battalions invaded the Donbass: after all, they came with the stripes “Slavlasniki” (“Slave owners”). They followed the slaves who would work for the “pro-Ukrainians”, and they would be “panuvals”. But the most industrialized Russian-speaking region left them. Yes, with the help of Russia, but escaped from Bandera slavery. The Maidan’s country is falling apart even on loans from the West: the slave system is inefficient, and there are too many lords. Pan Kolomoisky has just done his independent examination on this subject.

Who is to blame for all this? Russia, perhaps, did not do something: failed, could not, slap it, but there is no fault in it! Guilt comes for what is done, feel the difference! The coup in Ukraine was made by the United States and Europe, supporting Bandera nationalists. Here they are to blame.

Minsk deadlock


For the first time since 2016, President Zelensky began with great difficulty to carry out at least something under the Minsk agreements and even signed the "Steinmeier formula"! In general, this suggests that it was Kiev that sabotaged the implementation of the Minsk agreements. The Norman guarantors, Berlin and Paris, as it were, guaranteed that Kiev would comply with the Minsk agreements, but instead threw the third “guarantor” - Moscow, accused Moscow of not fulfilling the “Minsk” and imposed sanctions!

The Maidan regime, with the tacit consent of its "guarantors," came up with a war with the "Russian occupier" in order to end it on favorable terms and receive a large indemnity. After all, a concocted war is easy to stop, just to stop composing this war. What to do with all this now will be decided on December 9 in Paris, but they will not be able to decide essentially anything. Because in the Minsk impasse, the whole strategy of Europe is a strategy of constantly “throwing” Russia.

Ironically, President Trump “threw” Europe at this crucial moment: he demands to pay all the expenses of America for the years that Europe has lived through Europe. Therefore, Berlin and Paris suddenly remembered Russia and realized that Ukraine was not fulfilling the “Steinmeier formula”! Why did they impose sanctions against Russia?

Against such a general background, Russia can continue its “isolation” strategy in the form of raising the question of the responsibility of Nazi paramilitaries in Ukraine, conducting shelling of the Donbass and terrorist intimidating activities throughout Ukraine. If the question of reckoning the Azov National Guard under Ukraine’s regiment as terrorist organizations is raised in the US Congress, then, as they say, God himself ordered that this be done.
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  1. +18
    23 November 2019 05: 35
    With Ukraine, the most important thing is not to play the good older brother who always strokes, gives candy and pulls from any pit where she carefully climbs and from there still spits at us ... enough ... tired of playing brotherly feelings with the Nazis of Ukraine.
    1. +5
      23 November 2019 10: 49
      The problem of the existence of Ukraine had to be solved back in 2014, in the Crimean way ...
      1. +24
        23 November 2019 16: 48
        Quote: Greg Miller
        The problem of the existence of Ukraine had to be solved

        What should we do with Ukraine


        Before deciding what to do with Ukraine, it would be nice to decide what you want to do with Russia.
        It makes sense to discuss the issue with Ukraine when it becomes clear where the Russian Federation is moving.
        Otherwise, it will be the same as now.
      2. -1
        23 November 2019 19: 05
        Quote: Greg Miller
        The problem of the existence of Ukraine had to be solved back in 2014, in the Crimean way ...

        30 million beggars who will feed ??? fool wassat
        1. 0
          23 November 2019 19: 10
          Quote: Nikolai the Greek
          30 million beggars who will feed ???

          The share of Russian children living in poverty at the end of 2018 will be known only in the summer of 2020. Moreover, the poverty level among children is twice as high as this indicator for the whole country. So, in 2017, 13,2% of Russians, or 19,4 million people lived below the poverty line, in 2018 - 12,9% of the population, or 18,9 million people
          1. +5
            23 November 2019 19: 30
            Quote: RUSS
            Quote: Nikolai the Greek
            30 million beggars who will feed ???

            The share of Russian children living in poverty at the end of 2018 will be known only in the summer of 2020. Moreover, the poverty level among children is twice as high as this indicator for the whole country. So, in 2017, 13,2% of Russians, or 19,4 million people lived below the poverty line, in 2018 - 12,9% of the population, or 18,9 million people

            in America there are more than 40 million beggars, and what ?? !!! why did you send me about Russia when the topic is about Ukraine ??? fool wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
            1. -5
              24 November 2019 15: 11
              And why do I need Ukraine, if I live in Russia and our poor worry me more.
              1. +5
                24 November 2019 16: 19
                Then why are you reading articles about Ukraine?
                To read after reading that you do not need Ukraine?
                Some kind of intellectual masochism ...
                1. +2
                  25 November 2019 11: 40
                  Actually, the article is about Russia .. about its strategy / absence ..
                  And about who will feed Ukraine further ..
                  So the comrade above quite correctly remembered that we have enough of our own poor .. And it is from this that we must push first of all when developing a "strategy" ..
              2. +10
                25 November 2019 19: 05
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                And why do I need Ukraine, if I live in Russia and our poor worry me more.

                do not write then here !!! wassat tongue tongue laughing
            2. +2
              28 November 2019 12: 38
              The typical tactics of the liberals to translate everything into Russia, so that it would be possible to obkhayat precisely the Russian Federation.
        2. -2
          24 November 2019 20: 00
          How do you get such confidence that in Ukraine all the rogues and we need to feed ??? Do you really believe that we have a catastrophe here and the sun does not come out due to neo-Nazi clouds ??? Donbass already fed us. Who is feeding now ???
          1. +8
            25 November 2019 19: 29
            Quote: Nashorn
            How do you get such confidence that in Ukraine all the rogues and we need to feed ???

            any world ratings that underestimate Russia and tighten Ukraine give a gap of once ... compare at least our GDP per capita ... at least at par, at least at PPP !!! lol lol lol
            Quote: Nashorn
            Donbass already fed us.

            Well, so the result came to your face when the Donbass stopped feeding you ... the world struggling with outstretched hands !!! request request good good good
            1. +7
              25 November 2019 21: 12
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              Well, so the result came to your face when the Donbass stopped feeding you ... the world struggling with outstretched hands !!!

              on the face
        3. -4
          25 November 2019 07: 06
          Beggar industry is not yet completely plundered and destroyed. There is still something to cooperate with, provided that there is normal leadership. In this case, the standard of living of the population of Ukraine can be significantly increased quite quickly without direct Russian subsidies. In addition, a small gas transit on preferential (for Russia) conditions will also not hurt; for Ukraine, of course, it will also be beneficial. Well, of course, Krymnash and the special status of Donbass.
          This is the practical side of things.
          And there is also moral and ethical. Are we betraying the memory of at least two million Ukrainians who fell on the fronts of World War II? Malinovsky and Rokossovsky? Three stars of Hero Kozhedub? Sidora Kovpak? Odessa underground? Is Kiev the mother of Russian cities? The pre-Petrine boyars understood, but, you know, it doesn’t reach us! This should not be done under any circumstances. This is common with Ukraine Glory and pain. A co-worker complains that she cannot go to her father’s grave. Military pilot, long served in Ukraine, buried in Kiev. But Bandera - they are Bandera. As they crawled out, they will perish.
          And the lack of an explicit strategy, following the current situation, the struggle for minor improvements in relationships is the best strategy in this situation. I agree with Poklonskaya - Rotara should not be boycotted, even if she donated something somewhere. Forced. An elderly woman is already, she has children and grandchildren there ... Where should she go from these scoundrels? Let him come and sing. A slight detonation of the blockade. And the more such facts, the better.
          1. +3
            26 November 2019 05: 57
            For the information of the hidden sympathizers of the maydanutyh. https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=3213563&tid=105474 Of course, Slavyansk is Donbass. But so far the occupied part. Nothing. The process has begun.
          2. +1
            28 November 2019 00: 37
            There are a lot of minuses about the fact that during the Great Patriotic War, about 2000 Ukrainian soldiers were awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. And who only puts them?
    2. AAK
      +5
      23 November 2019 15: 25
      - colleagues, the problem with Ukraine and other Soviet Socialist Republics, the Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and the Autonomous Region had to be solved as early as from 1945 to 1953, then it was still possible to get rid of any national formations. There is a single Soviet people - therefore, no national fences, but alas ... we have what we have, so we got it in the end ...;
      - everyone knows that only what you earned is valued, and not you were given ..., therefore Russia will never wait for any gratitude from the "gifted", who hopes for "understanding" on their part - a naive Chukchi youth. All "outskirts with a developed national identity" will "be friends" with Russia only at its expense and nothing else;
      - after 1991 in Ukraine there was no work "for the future", or "for every firefighter ..." Russia did not conduct, tendencies in this state and society were not monitored, and if someone was tracking them, there was no reaction to them, a real pro-Russian political party or social movement with the corresponding "elite" was not formed, no one worked with the military and other security officials in Ukraine, and strategic enterprises for Russia were not bought out. The plenipotentiaries in Ukraine are one "cooler" than the other, and contacts were only made with slugs like Yanukovych or with clever businessmen like Akhmetov and Pinchuk. The result is visible to everyone;
      - what to do with Ukraine now? And nothing needs to be done, they will do everything themselves ... i.e. will reach "condition" on their own, no economic and political cooperation or assistance. The sooner a real squabble with postrelushkas for the remnants begins there, the sooner Europe and the United States will push Ukraine to us. They need a monkey with a grenade, but only a well-trained one, if she starts to have glitches and the potential danger to herself exceeds the need to keep the monkey out of fear to others, the monkey will be written off from the allowance and for vivisection ... Plus - it is imperative to cover up Poland in receiving parts from Ukraine, Hungary, Slovakia and Romania .. Until the remnants of living dill screech and crawl on their knees to repent - do not take anything from its territory, under no circumstances, no one there is waiting for us there with bread and salt (this is me for colleagues - champions of Crimean and other "scripts");
      - no military action by Russia without a major armed provocation from Ukraine directly to the territory of Russia, if the banderlog closes in - then, in addition to "knocking" army groups - necessarily missiles across Kiev - the Administration, the Rada, the Cabinet, the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, etc. ...
      1. 0
        24 November 2019 07: 51
        I totally agree.
      2. -3
        25 November 2019 23: 49
        Well, just amazing! Victory is assured. It remains only to organize "the presence of a major armed provocation from Ukraine directly to the territory of Russia." And who really attacked the radio station in Gleiwitz? There are different opinions.
  2. +12
    23 November 2019 05: 36
    The non-brothers themselves must be ill with their “independence” ... as a result, either the complete collapse and the subsequent derban of the Country, or self-cleaning of all the fascist infection and integration into the family of Slavic Peoples!
    And the Ukrainians have to go the way - for yourself!
    Only one thing is very bad - People continue to die in the Donbass!
    1. -1
      23 November 2019 05: 44
      <<<< integration into the family of Slavic Peoples! >>>>> what kind of family is this, if not a secret?
      1. +33
        23 November 2019 05: 53
        Lack of strategy is also a strategy. What should we do with Ukraine
        didn’t you think what to do with Russia?
        1. +20
          23 November 2019 08: 52
          What should we do with Ukraine
          For starters, write less about her!
          1. +11
            23 November 2019 10: 05
            Are you serious?
            But if you do not write about Ukraine, then what will you have to write and talk about?
            Really about Russia? About her problems? Her success?
            They made fun.
            What (about whom) will Solovyov, Kiselev, Norkin, Tolstoy, Skabeeva broadcast from the TV screens 24 hours a day?
            Yes, they have already made a career and money in Ukraine. Do you want to deprive them of a piece of bread?
            For five years, the entire airspace of Russia has been clogged with Ukraine. Imagine for a second that the topic of Ukraine has disappeared. What will be left?
            Emptiness.
            For the real problems of Russia in the Russian air will never be voiced.
            Much nicer about Ukraine ...
            1. -5
              23 November 2019 12: 20
              Quote: Chit
              For the real problems of Russia in the Russian air will never be voiced

              Which ones?
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        2. +12
          23 November 2019 09: 09
          Quote: Aerodrome
          Lack of strategy is also a strategy. What should we do with Ukraine
          didn’t you think what to do with Russia?

          hi good
          Indeed, we behave like "Mother Teresa". And the fact that there are a little more than a hundred million of us Russians left, nobody cares. And on TV, everything is about Syria, Ukraine, etc. But we Russians are not the most media characters. smile
          It wouldn’t be so funny as it’s really sad ... smile
          1. +1
            23 November 2019 16: 36
            In Russia, approximately 110 million Russians (Great Russians), around 135 million around the world. The numbers have not changed much in 20-30 years. In Russia, in addition, there are a lot of nominal Ukrainians and Belarusians, who are in fact Great Russians in self-awareness. The same can be said about a significant part of the Russian Finno-Ugric peoples and about a certain part of the Tatars, especially those living far beyond the borders of Tatarstan.
            1. 0
              25 November 2019 23: 53
              Someone does not like elementary statistics and prefers to incite ethnic hatred. Personally, I put a plus sign.
        3. +5
          23 November 2019 12: 22
          Saving the drowning is the work of the drowning! Nobody will save us!
      2. +17
        23 November 2019 06: 00
        There’s even no desire to answer you ... but I will answer. Slavic Brotherhood - for you an empty phrase, but for Me - No! Look at the example of the Anglo-Saxons, Everyone is in a single system, from Canada to the very to Australia, without exception. I hope that the Slavs - who were once One People, will Unite.
        1. +8
          23 November 2019 06: 23
          Blablabla .. But in fact, according to the average Russian "patriot", "all Russophobes" except for Belarus and those "freeloaders"
          1. -1
            23 November 2019 12: 53
            From century to century in Russia the same events occur.
            And in IX, and in XVII, and XX ...
            Russia is centralizing, power is losing support, the regions are specializing, a period of chaos sets in and again the rise of self-awareness - and so on in a circle!
            Nothing unusual happens today! Calm down!
            Russia is again centralized. Gathers his land. Just enjoy the process.
          2. -4
            25 November 2019 08: 28
            So all these ways of the Infanta are malacholny, the operative memory is small, there are no cause-and-effect relationships for them, everything that the pastors of the "Vovka sect" preach on TV is true for them, which they then begin to prove as their own beliefs.))
            1. -1
              25 November 2019 23: 57
              Huge random access memory does not compensate for the complete lack of a hard drive, for recent times it is better than a solid state one. A causal relationship in the computer itself is absent - either 0 or 1. Sapienti sat.
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        2. +3
          23 November 2019 07: 00
          To be honest, then, and once were not particularly brothers ...
          and in the future we won’t be anymore ...
          it is our Slavic COMMUNITY mentality that will not allow this ...
          unfortunately, but even Orthodoxy failed to unite us ...
          and the same Poles, Slovaks and Czechs - Slavs ??? ... yes !!! ... Catholics ??? ... yes !!! ...
          brothers ??? ... no !!! ...
          and the unity of the Anglo-Saxon peoples, first of all, is based on a single Protestant faith, which the Vatican has spread throughout the centuries ... and on the mentality, oddly enough, it is the ONE-TALES ... they don’t even have the very concept of brotherhood ... they much more self-sufficient and freer than other nations, and just therefore try to stay together and confront together ...
          and note that in the most economically developed and socially wealthy countries the main religion is Protestant ...
          1. +1
            23 November 2019 15: 51
            that in the most economically developed and socially wealthy countries the main religion is Protestant ...


            Max Weber - Protestant Ethics and the Spirit of Capitalism. The success of the Anglo-Saxons in economics is well explained.
          2. 0
            25 November 2019 23: 59
            And let's ban Gogol from publishing in Russia, and especially the malicious pro-Maidan agenda "Taras Bulba"!
        3. +5
          23 November 2019 07: 00
          Quote: ANIMAL
          There’s even no desire to answer you ... but I will answer. Slavic Brotherhood - for you an empty phrase, but for Me - No! Look at the example of the Anglo-Saxons, Everyone is in a single system, from Canada to the very to Australia, without exception. I hope that the Slavs - who were once One People, will Unite.

          you are very naive. Poles with us? gee ... Ukraine ... yes, a new generation has grown up in hatred, Hitler reforged the Germans in 5 years, and Ukraine has been "brewing" in Nazism for more than 20 years. Wait sit "unification" .. yeah ...
        4. +14
          23 November 2019 08: 27
          Quote: ANIMAL
          Slavic Brotherhood - for you an empty phrase, but for Me - No! Look at the example of the Anglo-Saxons, Everyone is in a single system, from Canada to the very to Australia, without exception. I hope that the Slavs - who were once One People, will Unite.

          The Anglo-Saxons divided us, through the elite that betrayed .. I also believe that the Slavs are obliged to be together and by and large, our peoples do not have serious disagreements, there is a corrupt elite who strive for a well-fed life and which were given the opportunity to steal in return for enmity ..
          1. -4
            23 November 2019 08: 41
            Panas are fighting, at lackeys forelocks are cracking. Nothing has changed.
          2. +4
            23 November 2019 10: 46
            As long as there is capitalism there will be differences
          3. -4
            23 November 2019 19: 15
            Quote: Svarog
            Anglo-Saxons divided us,

            You blame everything on someone, you cannot admit the fact that we ourselves and only we are to blame for our problems and the disunity of the Slavic peoples, although all these brotherhoods are complete nonsense like pan-Turkism, etc.
          4. +1
            25 November 2019 09: 49
            Quote: Svarog
            I also believe that the Slavs are obliged to be together and by and large, our peoples do not have serious disagreements, there is a corrupt elite

            That is, it is the corrupt elite that makes the residents work here shouting drunk about glory to Ukraine? what the hell ......
            But they know, what do they owe? I have a feeling that they don’t, they don’t know and don’t want to know. .
          5. 0
            26 November 2019 00: 06
            Anglo-Saxons united on a fundamentally different basis, Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians. We will not touch on other Slavic brothers who became Catholicized, Germanized, etc. The exception is the Serbs. So, if the Anglo-Saxons were soldered by a friendly robbery of the natives, then the Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are a common work for the good of the Motherland. There is no need to replicate the main points of the great specialist on the Russian issue, Dr. Rosenberg. He is a doctor, he knew what he was saying.
        5. +5
          23 November 2019 09: 33
          Quote: ANIMAL
          Slavic Brotherhood - for you an empty phrase, but for Me - No! Look at the example of the Anglo-Saxons

          And what do they have a brotherhood? They have a benefit.
        6. +1
          24 November 2019 16: 26
          Quote: ANIMAL
          Look at the example of the Anglo-Saxons, Everyone is in a single system, from Canada to the very to Australia, without exception.

          This is all the British Empire. Now existing under the guise of the British Commonwealth. By the way, in Canada, in Australia, according to their constitution, the head of state is Queen of Britain.
          As you can imagine, this greatly simplifies the coordination of the "united system" of the Anglo-Saxons.
          If, someday, Russia becomes such a coordinating center for all Slavic states, then the Slavs will have a "one stop." I can imagine with what horror the West thinks about such a prospect. Therefore, they bring down the Russian Federation and take away Ukraine and Belarus, etc. etc.
        7. -2
          25 November 2019 00: 01
          Quote: ANIMAL
          There’s even no desire to answer you ... but I will answer. Slavic Brotherhood - for you an empty phrase, but for Me - No! Look at the example of the Anglo-Saxons, Everyone is in a single system, from Canada to the very to Australia, without exception. I hope that the Slavs - who were once One People, will Unite.

          And unite around Russia, of course, yes?
          1. +2
            26 November 2019 00: 08
            Why not? In Russia, not a single small nation has lost its national identity. In connection with the special character of the Russian people, which many so vigorously scam.
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    2. +8
      23 November 2019 09: 35
      Quote: ANIMAL
      The non-brothers themselves must be ill with their “independence” ... as a result, either the complete collapse and the subsequent derban of the Country, or self-cleaning of all the fascist infection and integration into the family of Slavic Peoples!
      And the Ukrainians have to go the way - for yourself!
      Only one thing is very bad - People continue to die in the Donbass!

      In Ukraine, the opinion has now developed among normal, decent people that nothing will change. Zelensky’s election was the last hope for a change for the better in the country. Conclusions made from communication with friends and relatives living in Ukraine .. Despondency reigns. People are not stupid; they know how to analyze. Ukraine tenaciously captured by the claws of the American-Zionist monster. Yes, and Russia has long been counting everything and laying gas pipelines, the Turkish stream -North flow -2, bypassing. I built a bridge to the Crimea, starts railway traffic to the Crimea. Delivered SS-400 complexes and new divisions at the borders with Ukraine. So there is NO hope for a return to the normal state of Ukraine! Which is extremely sad for me . Let's state the fact of the tragedy of our common world. The world uniting RUSSIA and Ukraine. Most likely, no turning back will occur. I would only be glad if I made a mistake in my assessment of the situation .. . Yes, Donbass Russia will not give up. The war will continue While the Amero-Zionists will throw up pots!
      1. +6
        23 November 2019 13: 50
        Stop panic and despondency! stop Ukraine could be directed in the wrong direction thanks to our common defeat in the Cold War and the complete disorientation of where to go! Everyone was looking for a path to prosperity, the enemies competently lit and took advantage of the situation. recourse
        Russia finally moved in some direction, it is not yet clear where, but most importantly, on its way! good Ukraine, too, to join us, because they have no other way, they are our brothers and their uni mentality is imperial like that of the Russians because we are from the same test, they will not be content with the status of the European outskirts! As a result, either they will endure the whole brain in Europe by demanding a special relationship for themselves and they will expel them themselves, or they will join Russia to become a great power again! fellow
        And then we will heal drinks
        1. +3
          23 November 2019 16: 00
          Quote: Eroma
          Stop panic and despondency!

          Yes, put off alarmism! soldier We will believe in Victory!
        2. -4
          23 November 2019 16: 39
          Among Ukrainians, fortunately for us Great Russians, the mentality in a large part is far from imperial.
        3. +2
          23 November 2019 17: 40
          This is not alarmism, but a fact. I personally do not even exclude the appearance of "marked 2. 0" with Reykjavik and Malta.
          1. 0
            24 November 2019 12: 52
            Whatever the “tagged” one appears, we need an elite based on assets in Russia and having an eye on their share of the world pie, shorter than their imperialists, even though it cuts the ear Yes (the world is imperialistic). Or to officially fix some kind of ideology, which denotes its place in the world and sets the framework for the behavior of the elite and those in power. (Chinese version by the way). It seems to me in society and I think that at the top of fermentation they are going in these directions under the pressure of circumstances! The Lord himself pushes us where we need to. We are 3 Rome if not like bully
            1. 0
              24 November 2019 12: 57
              Trust in God, but don't do it yourself! By the way, the Third Rome was very often talked about before the Second World War (First World War). We know what is left of the "third Rome".
              1. +2
                24 November 2019 23: 03
                Quote: 210ox
                By the way, the Third Rome was very often talked about before the Second World War (First World War). We know what is left of the "third Rome".

                The third world was destroyed by that time. The Third International was built ..- The Comintern .. The Third Rome didn’t even smell ... The Comintern! They were waiting for the conscious German, English, French workers and peasants to overthrow their bourgeoisie .. But they were in no hurry ...
        4. +3
          23 November 2019 20: 31
          Quote: Eroma
          As a result, either they will endure the whole brain in Europe by demanding a special relationship for themselves and they will expel them themselves

          hi
          It's interesting, of course. I will not be "for the whole of Odessa", I will refer to the "Norman format" through the glasses of the odious skunk-host Gordon - as he sees the Russian-European spanking of the hetman of the former Ukraine - Pan Ze:

          Funny is not it? bully
          1. +2
            24 November 2019 13: 13
            Perhaps Putin is even crushing Europe, in fact, there is a strategy for Ukraine and its essence is to indicate to everyone that Ukraine is ours and only we can make this land and this land be beneficial for everyone! Putin plays on European greed, shifting all costs to them. It will not be able to control Europe through the locals, so we are NOT EUROPEAN with the Ukrainians, although they occupy half of the continent Europe! We have a different mentality, I have been to Europe a hundred times, we are different and, moreover, my opinion is that we are the best! good Ukraine does not provide a third of the benefits that cooperation with the Russian Federation gives, and if Ukraine is with Moscow, the income from cooperation with Europe will double! fellow
            If the United States removed the issue from the process a long time ago, the Yankees would not go into the process, because their destructive impact would be immediately visible, the whole game was going to pull the States into the light of God and give the Europeans an excuse to get off the leash. And the Donbass are our people who, with the normalization of the situation, should lead Ukraine. I see this alignment
            1. +1
              24 November 2019 13: 33
              Quote: Eroma
              ... if Ukraine will be with Moscow, then the income from cooperation with Europe will double!

              hi The former Ukraine of today's degree of infusion (on Nazi and NATO berries) will never be with Moscow. And not because they will not want to (Kolomoisky winked at Moscow and Washington), but because we are not such a "partner". As long as fascism and widespread Russophobia prevail in this deficit, we will not be brothers, nor good neighbors, nor partners of a wide spectrum. So, dear Vadim, the subjunctive mood is inappropriate in today's situation. Yes
              1. -5
                24 November 2019 20: 21
                Shaw means ex ??? It was, is and will be, no matter how you would not like it.
                1. AAK
                  +2
                  24 November 2019 22: 15
                  You know that the most interesting thing is that now most of us are absolutely indifferent to whether there is Ukraine, whether it will be and how much more it will be, do you develop there yourself or eat each other ... Europeans, even of the 3rd grade, like bald, you don’t become, in the best case scenario, you will remain sub-European sub-mattresses, at least download, at least fall ... As long as you are within this territory, you will somehow live and have something, will tear your roof off and go into Russia - about such a state as Ukraine will soon be forgotten ...
        5. -3
          25 November 2019 14: 25
          Quote: Eroma
          Russia finally moved in some direction, it is not yet clear where, but most importantly, on its way!

          It seems like in the abyss
      2. +4
        23 November 2019 21: 11
        Quote: 30 vis
        normal, decent people

        recourse but a lot of them ?? feel and where are they all hiding ??? wassat wassat
      3. -6
        24 November 2019 20: 19
        I don’t know what your friends and relatives are telling, but I myself can say what I saw and see around. Until 2014, 90% of them didn’t want to hear about the EU or NATO or the CU. People had a farmer mood i.e. we live on, quietly, on our own. By mood, Ukraine was a neutral country.
        Well, there was the Maidan, well, drove the thief and shaw from this ??? The mood would have remained. Ukraine would be in its majority pro-Russian, rotting inside. The EU would remain a dream for 10-20%. So who pushed Ukraine to the EU and NATO ??? We know that the Ordlo will remain outside the control of Ukraine. Zelensky will not agree with Putin.
        1. +1
          26 November 2019 19: 18
          Quote: Nashorn
          People had a farmer's mood

          what now you have not that farmer’s mood ... you now have a state ragul ideology implying total degradation !!! wink wassat wassat lol lol lol
    3. 0
      27 November 2019 15: 52
      as a result, either complete collapse or self-cleaning and integration into the family of Slavic Peoples!

      And no other "either" exists? Are the Czechs, Poles, Slovaks a family of Slavic Peoples?
  3. +23
    23 November 2019 05: 42
    Lack of strategy is also a strategy. What should we do with Ukraine

    There are so many unsolved problems in Russia, and the problems of Ukraine are poked daily under our nose. And not just present this rotten dish, but try to savor and multiply on different channels. The goal here is understandable - see what happens when they are contrary to the Kremlin’s opinion ... Why do we need these problems? Where to fasten them? And, as time has shown, the problems of the disappearance of toilets from ships are much more urgent than any others that are not accepted to be discussed. And why do we need Russian problems when there are Ukrainian problems.
    Oh, this Ivan Andreevich! All that he knew, all that he foresaw. Yes, and Mikhail Evgrafovich was fabulously insightful, arguing that for the sake of his own well-being and security:
    Russian authorities should keep their people in a state of constant amazement.

    hi
    1. +16
      23 November 2019 05: 59
      Russian authorities should keep their people in a state of constant amazement.

      And she holds ...
      a recent story with medical reports with drivers ... where a pensioner died in line and for that ... brought me into a state of little shock ...
      Imagine ... a person dies from this damn medical certificate in line. belay
      1. +8
        23 November 2019 06: 18
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Imagine ... a person dies from this damn medical certificate in line.

        I watched the plot on this topic:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3DujDSjj4A
        The road is lined with good intentions ...
        It seems to me that the appearance of "random" people with documents for the right to drive a car lies in a different plane, as well as excessive custody of the conscientious.
        1. +1
          23 November 2019 16: 42
          In my house on the ground floor there is a private medical center. In the morning, it’s always the turn of people who want help. As I understand it, these are mainly drivers and people who want to get rights. Unfortunately, many people have a clear sign of alcohol abuse, and some have clear signs of inadequate behavior.
      2. +7
        23 November 2019 07: 12
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        recent medical history with drivers

        but the president is again a handsome man, came and scolded all the "guilty", raised the rating.
        1. +7
          23 November 2019 08: 35
          Quote: Aerodrome
          but the president is again a handsome man, came and scolded all the "guilty", raised the rating.

          And if he had publicly spanked ... the rating would have skyrocketed altogether wassat Sometimes it seems that you are in a circus .. The government initiates .. the deputies pass laws .. the president signs, and then the president realizes that everything was not done right .. and this thought always comes to his mind first .. and right there reporters gather and the show begins .. this action has been repeated for 20 years ..
          1. +4
            23 November 2019 16: 44
            This decision was made by issuing a departmental by-laws of the Ministry of Health, which is not discussed in the Duma and the Federation Council and is not signed by the President.
        2. +6
          23 November 2019 08: 56
          Quote: Aerodrome
          but the president is again a handsome man, came and scolded all the "guilty", raised the rating.

          Who would doubt ... I thought that there The Three Sources and Three Components of Marxism four steps and their component parts, which will contribute to bringing the president’s rating to 90%.
          Step 1 - Cancellation of pension reform (reduction of the retirement age by 2 years, freezing the highest pension at the level of the average wage in the country, annual increase in pensions to all pensioners (including those working) by the amount adopted in the budget).
          Step 2 - Dismissal and criminal prosecution of senior officials who did not justify trust (Chubais, Medvedev, Rogozin and others like them, investigation of activity, comparison of income and expenses, full confiscation in case of mismatch and deprivation of all ranks and merits).
          Step 3 - Introduction of a progressive personal income tax scale (the poor do not pay, the rich cough up, the additional taxation of second and further housing and vehicles costing over 1 rubles).
          Step 4 - Recognition of the EBN era as a coup d'etat (with the deprivation of state support for the widow and the abolition of privatization in the extraction of natural resources and transport and energy facilities)
          wassat
          1. +1
            23 November 2019 09: 52
            The progressive scale in our realities will not work, and the car .. yes now Vesta is almost a million worth
            1. 0
              23 November 2019 10: 05
              Quote: Andrey VOV
              The progressive scale in our realities will not work

              It works everywhere, but it won’t be in Russia ... Are you Vladimir Vladimirovich? belay
              Quote: Andrey VOV
              Yes, now Vesta is almost a million worth

              Yes, yes, yes ... We have an average kW / h of 0,7 r, and they sell it ... I don’t like a million - let it be three ... I meant the second vehicle ...
              hi
              1. 0
                23 November 2019 12: 51
                With a progressive scale, all of our rich people easily left ... now of course it’s more difficult, but still, their greed is above all .. although Lisin had pleasantly surprised me just now
                1. +1
                  24 November 2019 10: 49
                  HALF of Russians do not pay at a flat rate. Half! Every second! Perhaps - and the authors of ethical comments.
            2. +4
              23 November 2019 11: 00
              Andrew! A progressive scale will not work with impotence of power. But it’s worth taking measures to ban the export of capital to offshore and put, say, a conditional Galkin for five years for non-payment of taxes, as everyone who needs to understand. There were also many people who wanted to dodge abroad, but after landings with confiscation for especially large shoals, everyone understood that.
              1. 0
                23 November 2019 12: 53
                I agree, but I wrote that in the current realities, this is important. In the United States, in my opinion, tax evasion is almost a federal crime and they put them there at once, and they’ll also take away everything ... the same Al Capone was imprisoned for non-payment )))
                1. +3
                  24 November 2019 10: 53
                  For non-payment of personal income tax to plant half of the Russians? Yes, in prisons go broke ...
              2. +6
                23 November 2019 14: 00
                Our tax system is, to put it mildly, not perfect! Thanks to this, paying taxes correctly without bankruptcy is not realistic! Therefore, if you take a fool for landing plant dodgers, you get the scale of landings 37 years! To begin with, an overhaul of tax legislation must be carried out, and then put in order. hi
          2. 0
            23 November 2019 12: 11
            Yeah, take everything away and divide it up. Abyrvalg! Especially smiled about "luxury cars more expensive than a million" My dear, what costs less than a million can be called a car at a stretch. Progressive tax? As a business support, no doubt? And how many enterprises will be closed, after the introduction of a progressive scale, did not think about it? How much business will finally go into the gray zone? If you want to raise the economy, and not arrange insane socialist experiments, then taxes should be REDUCED, not stifled.
            1. -3
              23 November 2019 12: 36
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              Yeah, take everything away and divide it up. Abyrvalg! Especially smiled about "luxury cars over a million"

              I'm already fed up with your smiles that you won’t be full of. Truth and millions so that there are no beggars, in our country you will not earn ... Really? And, up to the seventy-eight-year-old teacher, living on a miserable 10 thousand ... So this is her choice, is not it?
              1. 0
                23 November 2019 14: 24
                Where do you get such pensioners? My mother is 88 - 50 years of medical experience. Pension - 21 thousand. Apart from blockades and compensation of housing and communal services.
            2. +2
              23 November 2019 12: 53
              Progressive scale in this case on the income of individuals. Read carefully
            3. +4
              23 November 2019 14: 06
              The word SHOWER is now very relevant! There is already a struggle with the shadow, all sorts of financial monitoring stupidly do not work! I don’t understand how they are going to grow the economy through fiscalization what
              Everyone who has a common tax system and any turnover of more than 100 lyam per year cannot discuss economics without mats laughing
              1. +1
                23 November 2019 14: 12
                In order for a cow to give milk, it must be fed, cared for and cherished. And do not try to pull the nipples harder.
                1. +4
                  23 November 2019 14: 36
                  You can milk a cow in different ways! The American way: an excellent barn with climate control, the best feed, excellent veterinary medicine, but if the cow gives less than 50 liters of milk, then it is allowed for meat crying
                  Russian approach: the barn was open to all winds, it didn’t flood the lodge, hay instead of compound feed, the veterinarian only turns yellow, but if he gives 10 l, they’re already happy!

                  But the officials, in my opinion, are watching how the cow gives milk in America and says: that by milk yield (labor productivity) we are behind the world level and are also beginning to demand 50 liters, only the conditions in the barn are kept by the Russians! fool
          3. +1
            23 November 2019 16: 02
            Introduction of the progressive personal income tax scale


            But it’s interesting when I read your opinions about the tax rate ...

            For example, we have long introduced a 10% tax, flat. He was introduced by the socialist, leftist government (so I think that left / right is a fiction) and what they got: Parishes in the treasury jumped twice - it’s better to pay than to go to jail. Many EU companies have moved to pay less. In general, it works better than a progressive scheme. But only people at the minimum wage need to be completely free from taxes and everything will be fine. And if you squeeze the rich, then they will run offshore or the devil knows where and at least 10% pay ....
          4. 0
            23 November 2019 16: 47
            And why should second housing be additionally taxed? Because of this point, I will never support everyone else. The poor should have personal income tax benefits, but not its full abolition. That is, they will not pay tax, but will they have the right to vote?
            1. +1
              23 November 2019 16: 48
              For your information, I myself am more likely to be classified as poor. Or to the lowest part of the middle class.)
        3. -2
          23 November 2019 09: 51
          Quote: Aerodrome

          but the president Again handsome, he came and scolded everyone "guilty", raised the rating.

          We have a good president. And the news about him is good ... The people are bad, they don’t understand their happiness.
          1. +2
            23 November 2019 12: 13
            And it depends on whom the President is compared to? Maybe not the best, but at least far from the worst.
            1. -1
              23 November 2019 12: 25
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              at least not the worst.

              This in the sense that he doesn’t take off his last pants, he gives a little bit of life, in particular to the security forces? For a good master you need to break hats. In that sense, I understand you.

              1. +4
                23 November 2019 13: 18
                Quote: Stas157
                This in the sense that he doesn’t take off his last pants, he gives a little bit of life, in particular to the security forces? For a good master you need to break hats. In that sense, I understand you.

                Whether it is in (in) Ukraine, no matter the president, it’s a miracle how people live well with them, eh? wink
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                  1. +7
                    23 November 2019 16: 06
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Kisilevshchenoy and bears. Have you watched a telly recently? Not tired of this bagpipe about Ukraine?

                    Relatives live in Lviv, there is nothing to compare. And you? Fresh recommendation from the SBU?
      3. -3
        24 November 2019 20: 28
        In Ukraine, it was easier, just in 2011 the inspection was canceled. It was as if no one had canceled the physical examination, but with the cancellation of the medical examination they canceled themselves. Then Yanukovych spoke and said that we simply do not have medical facilities to undergo a medical examination by drivers, that is, there are not as many doctors as we need. And the most interesting thing is that nothing has changed.
    2. +13
      23 November 2019 08: 03
      "The absence of a Strategy is also a strategy!" What is it! Iron logic. Let's go further - the absence of mind is also mind. Lack of concern for one's own population is also a concern for one's own population. so what?
    3. +7
      23 November 2019 08: 29
      Quote: ROSS 42
      And why do we need Russian problems when there are Ukrainian problems.

      When Russia begins to solve its problems, then the rest will reach us ..
      1. -1
        24 November 2019 20: 32
        I always said that too. Russia did not need to squeeze Crimea and light the Donbass; it was necessary to equip life in Russia itself and other former republics of the USSR themselves were drawn to it. But after 2014, this is no longer possible.
    4. -2
      23 November 2019 09: 48
      Quote: ROSS 42
      The goal here is understandable - see what happens when they go against the opinion of the Kremlin ...

      the main conclusion of power for the people, but the saddest thing is that the power itself, for itself, made conclusions only in terms of its security. As for work for the population, the same mistakes, the same way
      1. +3
        23 November 2019 13: 21
        Quote: Silvestr
        the main conclusion of power for the people, but the saddest thing is that the power itself, for itself, made conclusions only in terms of its security. As for work for the population, the same mistakes, the same way

        But you better know everything. Sylvester for president! laughing
        1. 0
          23 November 2019 13: 37
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Sylvester for president!

          there is no gold reserve laughing
          1. +5
            23 November 2019 16: 07
            Quote: Silvestr
            there is no gold reserve

            Sylvester, such as you will not. wink
            1. 0
              23 November 2019 16: 11
              Quote: Tank Hard
              Sylvester, such as you will not have

              And for the better! Money is not enough when there is a lot, but when there is enough
              1. +8
                23 November 2019 16: 13
                Quote: Silvestr
                And for the better! Money is not enough when there is a lot, but when there is enough

                The trial of how constantly you are not happy, you always lack them ... feel
                1. -2
                  23 November 2019 16: 32
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  The trial of how constantly you are not happy, you always lack them ...

                  Ideology of power

                  I stumbled on me, I remained Soviet. What you are promoting means "my hut is on the edge".
                  I do not care how my daughter and granddaughter live, and what I have is what I have. I have enough.
                  "My hut on the edge" fully manifested itself in Ukraine, when the minority conquered the majority. Do you really want to be like in Ukraine? laughing
                  1. +6
                    23 November 2019 16: 45
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    I stayed Soviet

                    So do I. But I was taught not to pull phrases out of context. It seems you are not:

                    the drawback of the Soviet education system was the attempt to shape the human creator, and now the challenge is to nurture qualified consumer able to skillfully use the results of creativity of others

                    The idea is approximately the following: who is given to create, will not stop at "qualified consumption". But the skill itself "wisely use the achievements of mankind"(I am translating especially for you, Doctor) - not bad at all basic skill for the mass... now it is far from developed by everyone, believe the old consultant, I saw this ... you never dreamed of using the same mobile as an example laughing

                    PS: all troll, Doctor? Somehow everything comes out cheaply for you
                  2. +4
                    23 November 2019 16: 49
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    What you are promoting means "my hut is on the edge".

                    Am I promoting this? I am a survivor of the "Osh events" of 1990, the "Batken events" of 1999 - 2000, the "Tulip Revolution" of 2005 ?! Well you wrote laughing
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    when the minority conquered the majority. Do you really want to like in Ukraine?

                    Have you ever been in a situation where thousands of armed militants enter your city and you have nowhere to run, the borders are closed? I think not, otherwise they wouldn’t post something like that here.
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Do you really want to like in Ukraine?

                    Judging by your posts, it is you who want this. Sometimes I get the impression that you are from Ukraine and write.
                    I completely support the opinion that is here in the video. Are you not one of them?
  4. +11
    23 November 2019 06: 03
    Russia is not to blame for anything, it’s to blame. Obama and America with Europe, and everything that happens in Russia is also not the fault of Russia and Putin, it’s Obama, America and Europe, it’s obvious!
  5. +7
    23 November 2019 06: 22
    What should we do with Ukraine
    [b] [/ b] ..... And what to do with the Baltic states, Georgia, etc.?
    1. +6
      23 November 2019 06: 31
      ... And what to do with the Baltic states, Georgia, etc.?

      But you won’t do anything ... Latvia has banned the broadcast of 9 Russian television channels ... such freedom of information in the understanding of the Baltic states ... Latvian censorship.
      1. -3
        23 November 2019 07: 14
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        .. Latvia has banned the broadcast of 9 Russian TV channels ..

        handsome cho! i can't watch it either fellow would have closed more. the population will be healthier.
        1. +2
          23 November 2019 08: 46
          Right. Close the channels from which mud spills from day to night - films about cops, blood, violence, political talk shows about Ukraine, dirty clothes with Malakhov, dances with Malyshev and competitions.
          1. +9
            23 November 2019 12: 15
            Are you forced to watch this slag? There are scientific, informative and unbiased historical channels. There are plenty to choose from.
      2. +2
        23 November 2019 16: 51
        I think, through the Internet or satellite dishes, you can still watch our channels there. Another thing is that in Latvia and Estonia, some of the Russians are already not similar in Russian mentality. A sort of Nile Ushakov.
    2. +2
      23 November 2019 09: 49
      Quote: parusnik
      ... And what to do with the Baltic states, Georgia, etc.

      late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys fell off
      1. +2
        23 November 2019 20: 41
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: parusnik
        ... And what to do with the Baltic states, Georgia, etc.

        late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys fell off

        Why do you think so?
    3. +2
      23 November 2019 10: 10
      Quote: parusnik
      What should we do with Ukraine
      [b] [/ b] ..... And what to do with the Baltic states, Georgia, etc.?

      hi As usual, in any business, first of all, you need to start with yourself. Start with economics. Pull up the standard of living of the population at least to the European one (it sounds like a fantasy). Be a country of comfortable living.

      Without this, no matter what you do, nothing will work. Unless by force to seize.

      Those who say that we do not need anyone, Ukraine is not needed, we need to withdraw into ourselves, those are against the formation of a strong Russia, Russia as an empire. Accordingly, they play into the hands of the consolidated West.
      1. +4
        23 November 2019 13: 23
        Quote: Stas157
        As usual, in any business, first of all, you need to start with yourself. Start with economics. Pull up the standard of living of the population at least to the European one (it sounds like a fantasy). Be a country of comfortable living.

        Another presidential candidate ...
        Quote: Stas157
        Without this, no matter what you do, nothing will work. Unless by force to seize.

        Militant candidate ... feel
        1. -3
          23 November 2019 13: 35
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Another presidential candidate ...

          Quote: Tank Hard
          Militant candidate ...

          Rave What did you want to say? You really express your disagreement as something more articulate and not passing on to the personality of the commutated.
          1. +4
            23 November 2019 16: 11
            Quote: Stas157
            What did you want to say?

            I want to say that in your previous post there is a direct call for the overthrow of power by force, this one:
            Quote: Stas157
            Is it only by force to seize

            Looks like a big mind ... request
            1. -3
              23 November 2019 16: 16
              You're not right. There are no calls, no motivation, for any action. Read carefully. Then this applies directly to our country. I talked about other countries.
              1. +4
                23 November 2019 16: 17
                Quote: Stas157
                You're not right. There are no calls, no motivation, for any action. Read carefully.

                It will be necessary to sort it out. feel
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                2. +7
                  23 November 2019 16: 30
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  You will be justified in the police (s)

                  hi Jack. Recently, one called for law enforcement officials to deal with the children, apparently did not think that they would deal with him (or maybe there was nothing to think about), do not remember how much they gave him?
                  1. +3
                    23 November 2019 16: 37
                    Quote: Tank Hard
                    Jack

                    Tank, glad to meet hi

                    Quote: Tank Hard
                    Do not remember how much they gave him?

                    No. But they did, and that’s right.

                    IMHO better A tit in the hands than a crane on the bulldozer ... a crane in this case is a well, yes. In this:

                    1. +4
                      23 November 2019 16: 53
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      IMHO better A tit in the hands than a crane on the bulldozer ... a crane in this case is a well, yes. In this:

                      Totally agree.
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Tank, glad to meet

                      Mutually. hi
      2. +1
        23 November 2019 20: 50
        Quote: Stas157
        Unless by force to seize.

        Itself does not fall into the hands. I think that someday everything in the complex will happen ..
      3. -3
        24 November 2019 21: 17
        A very long time ago, one sage said: You cannot enter the same river twice. What could be an empire in the 21st century ???
    4. +2
      23 November 2019 16: 52
      The Baltic states and Georgia, taken together, for Russia have a value much less than in comparison with Ukraine.
  6. +5
    23 November 2019 06: 47
    Of course, I want to help, but no matter how we get infected, the disease is contagious!
    Maybe everything is quarantined ... with remote exposure?
    1. +2
      23 November 2019 09: 57
      Quote: rocket757
      Of course, I want to help, but no matter how we get infected, the disease is contagious!
      Maybe everything is quarantined ... with remote exposure?

      Or maybe create the proper living conditions for Russians, pacify the security officials - create an attractive model, image, and in parallel work with the population in Ukraine, cultivating their "soft power"?
      The only problem is that there is no desire to improve the quality of life, and the levers of nurturing "soft power" have been lost.
      1. +4
        23 November 2019 10: 34
        Quote: Silvestr
        create proper living conditions for Russians, pacify security officials - create an attractive model, image, and at the same time work with the population in Ukraine,

        This is obvious, but unbelievable with that .... with the top ones, busy with many other things.
        Including replenishment of covers, ratings of magazines such as FORBES!
      2. -2
        24 November 2019 21: 20
        Late. Until 2014, this option could have the right to life. Not now. A full-scale war will further aggravate the situation and still will not give a result.
  7. +7
    23 November 2019 06: 54
    Often you hear such a rebuke: Russia has no strategy towards Ukraine. Maybe not, but maybe we don’t know about her, they don’t report to us about her.
    Russia's strategy was and is one - not to take any steps that could aggravate relations with puppeteers.
    Would it be difficult for us to stop labor migration from Ukraine?
    No.
    Would it be difficult to stop the supply of petroleum products?
    No.
    Almost any of our actions would immediately lead to a sharp increase in social tension in Ukraine and destabilization of the situation.
    But also to an instant response from the US and the EU.
    And not only sanctions against the Russian Federation.
    Sanctions against movable and immovable property of our celestials of their household members living there.
    But this could not be allowed.
    And not allowed.
    If you have a scandal with a neighbor, if he is harassing your relatives and declares himself to be a Sumerian, then a European, and boasts that he is “anti-Russia,” what should I do?
    If my neighbor starts throwing such conics, then I will first invite the local police officer, and then the guys in white coats will come and take the sick man to a specialized medical facility.
    Closed type. In the neighbors there will be Napoleon, Alexander the Great, Einstein and smaller figures.
    But you can’t do this with Ukraine.
    There are only guys in uniform and on tanks.
    Straitjacket made of wood only.
    And the chamber is two meters below the zero mark.
    There is never a blessing in disguise, in this sense, the Ukrainian showcase of achievements of the West for six Euro-Maidan years affects Russia and the whole world is very sobering.
    "This showcase" did not affect anyone.
    At Europe itself, various rabble was dragged into the house, which now creates utter disgraces there.
    And the townsfolk in Europe argue hoarsely, grab their breasts! Some require the removal of the watchdogs back to their countries, while others demand to become tolerant and punish the crimes of their ancestors.
    The same madhouse as in Ukraine.
    Who is to blame for all this? Russia, perhaps, did not do something: failed, could not, slap it, but there is no fault in it!
    Each victory has a father and a creator, only relatives do not have defeats!
    From which side is Russia here?
    There is a leader.
    There are assistants.
    Advisers. Analysts Intelligence services.
    The action, as well as the inaction of the official, which led to grave consequences, can and is considered as a criminal offense.
    All sisters can be handed out over an earring.
    Or you can bill one important pepper.
    1. 0
      23 November 2019 08: 49
      Our comprador regime cannot pursue a strategy regarding Ukraine. The money stolen from the people lies THERE. And children, and villas with castles, and wives, and yachts. Everything is THERE.
    2. +2
      23 November 2019 16: 59
      Why should labor migration from Ukraine be prohibited? Here are a few of my wife’s relatives (both Russians and Ukrainians, or semi-Ukrainians-semi-Russians) who have been working for several years in the Russian Federation, some have already become Russian citizens. And they do not care now to Ukraine from a high bell tower. They are not going to return there in any case. Just at the expense of Ukrainian migrants, especially from the eastern regions of Ukraine, we can partly solve our demographic and other problems.
      1. -3
        24 November 2019 21: 25
        You will not solve migrant problems. The quality of migrants from the Donbass is very low. And you will not solve the problems with them, but only new ones.
  8. +7
    23 November 2019 07: 51
    I read the article: “to continue the strategy of“ isolation ”in the form of posing a question ... I always thought that a strategy in the form of a question is not being built.
    1. +4
      23 November 2019 09: 48
      With "US" this does not happen.
  9. +6
    23 November 2019 08: 07
    How many of you haters of Russia have gathered here. And also Tatars, Kalmyks, Yakuts are not brothers. Arkhangelsk Tse Pomor, Novosibirsk Siberians. To collect back Russia had to agree to the formation of the republics. For the sake of power, Boriska sent everyone to reign in Moscow. Who interfered with the current government to unite, say until 2014. Yes, at least within Russia to stop the division, no they Lenin is all to blame. With such a policy, our grandchildren will speak Lipetsk non-brothers, Ural non-brothers.
    But Ukraine is the three lands of Novorossia, now and there Russians, they only talk, Little Russians, also not quite Ukraine. And Ukraine, there are only five regions in the west. So we will return Novorossia and Little Russia, or, as always, collect ratings on nothing.
    1. +3
      23 November 2019 17: 10
      Strictly speaking, present-day Ukraine is Little Russia (basically coincides with Ukraine in the narrow sense, but not quite), part of New Russia (another part in the Russian Federation), most of Slobozhanshchina (a smaller part in the Russian Federation), Galicia, Transcarpathia, Northern Bukovina, and purely Great Russian regions - part of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions, which was once part of the Region Don troops. The territory of the DPR and LPR actually controlled by them, for the most part, refers to that part of Donbass that never belonged to Little Russia or New Russia, and on Soviet maps, the ethnic composition of the population was designated as part of the Russian (Great Russian) area, administratively related to the Ukrainian SSR. The border between the Russian (Great Russian) and Ukrainian ranges in the south during the Soviet era was officially considered the Kalmius river, the Mariupol region.
  10. +5
    23 November 2019 08: 08
    I found out! I found out! And this, despite the fact that Kamenev’s article was published on Saturday)))
    Often you hear such a rebuke: Russia has no strategy towards Ukraine. Maybe not, but maybe we don’t know about her, they don’t tell us about her.
    And on these two sentences the author successfully feeds for five years. An enviable talent.
  11. -1
    23 November 2019 08: 30
    Russia is to blame at the time for buying friendship with ukroin for $ 420 billion, which the ukroinsky authorities and those around the authorities were simply gifted, and now the Kremlin can somehow understand why they don’t like us for such a wide gift! It was necessary to work closely with the population, invest in defending the interests of the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine, the interests of Russia, and not feed them free billions of bastards. That's why ukroin and demands from Russia claims for billions of dollars, a freebie does not let go. But the Kremlin just needs to close the borders tightly, stop purchasing anything that is not in Ukraine, and actively help Donbass, including in restoring its territorial integrity, and being not part of Ukraine ...
    1. +2
      23 November 2019 09: 51
      Quote: Thrifty
      bought friendship with ukroina for $ 420 billion,

      not everything can be bought, but everything can be sold
    2. +1
      23 November 2019 09: 55
      Oh my God, did you even study at school? Did you go through elementary grammar?
  12. -2
    23 November 2019 08: 56
    Often you hear such a rebuke: Russia has no strategy towards Ukraine. Maybe not, but maybe we don’t know about her, they don’t report to us about her. On the other hand, the lack of a strategy is also a kind of strategy. Perhaps Moscow really does not know what to do with all this that is happening on our borders?

    The great KhPP and its guard Kamenev.
    How easy it is to explain everything to God’s providence ... the Kremlin’s path is inscrutable .. laughing
    Russia, perhaps, did not do something: failed, could not, slap it, but there is no fault in it! Guilt comes for what is done, feel the difference! The coup in Ukraine was made by the United States and Europe, supporting Bandera nationalists. Here they are to blame.

    Oh yeah! Yes.
    I'm not guilty!
    And finally, finish writing the same thing in every article?
    This paragraph (well, plus the RF wines in any case) you draw in each article (well, or the meaning is the same)
    In all and always not my fault! These are all evil THEY.
    And THEY feel guilty laughing
    Well, and so the article is a set of Kamenev stamps, slogans.
    And the Kremlin does not have the most interesting strategy in any direction other than selling resources.
    Situational insinuations. Weak reaction to actions.
    The main thing is that the pipe is not taken away ...
    in the name of His Majesty the Strip and Her Majesty the Oil there is more than one war in the world ..
    Conflicts between Ukraine and the Russian Federation are no exception.
    And Bandera, slaves, the Russian world ... it’s so ... husky. Information pumping.
    1. +6
      23 November 2019 10: 04
      If I am not mistaken, you are from Odessa? And can you find out your Svidomo look at the Ukrainian non-information pumping?
      1. 0
        23 November 2019 10: 14
        Quote: scud
        And can you find out your Svidomo look at the Ukrainian non-information pumping?

        Svidomo is conscious or "Svidomo" is "Bandera" for propaganda?
        Propaganda is almost the same everywhere. But in the Russian Federation and Ukraine, it is primitive to the point of horror.
        The neighbor’s cow is sacred here and there. It’s just based on the possibilities and ambitions it’s strange that the Russian Federation follows the path of Ukraine. Or the opportunities and ambitions are the same (stole withdrawn left)
        1. 0
          24 November 2019 21: 42
          Dear Antares, about primitive propaganda with us, you praised her very much. I don’t understand what the Ministry of Statistics has been doing all these years, for which they have received salaries. Gunpowder and lost due to her absence.
  13. +5
    23 November 2019 08: 56
    For me, it’s a perfectly suitable article, I read it with interest, plus the author, definitely.
    Here on the VO, the voices of "all-propals" and others like them are often heard, they say it is necessary to blame the Russian Federation, all reasonable ones are knocked down ... It's your business, but are you needed there? There is a good video on this topic .:

    And we stay. wink
  14. +8
    23 November 2019 09: 27
    Russia needs to catch up with leaps and bounds.
    I must say right away that if someone says that they will again invest money down the drain in the development of Little Russia, Novorossia and the like - he is mistaken, we have funds to unite Russian lands. What kind of income does Gazprom have, its protégé in multiple numbers, if there are billions of tyutyu from the Vostochny cosmodrome? And along the way, there are still billions in the country, then the question itself essentially disappears.
    It is necessary to return ideology - the "modernized" ideology, the issue of Russian identity, etc.
    Amendments to the constitution, it’s time for everyone to get used to the fact that there are such branches in the Slavic ethnic group: Great Russians, Little Russians, Belarusians, etc. To return the ideology for the indigenous peoples of Russia, for all of us, aimed at maintaining the country in a unity where there is a place: Little Russians, Great Russians, Ruthenians and other ethnic groups.
    Example: When you approach a Dagestani and say hello to "Dagestan" ("your nationality is Dagestan"), the reaction will be negative. I immediately warn you that I do not pursue the goal of offending anyone. An intelligent person will understand. So here we are, relating to Russian culture - we are not adjectives, but for enemies, when we go on the attack, and in general terms, etc. let us be - we are all Russian. By the way, Belarusians and Rusyns were lucky with identity - not adjectives.
    New Russia, the idea of ​​recreating it - is a wonderful moment in the newest Russian Pravda (Bylin). Under the yoke of locusts from Western civilization, our compatriots in the Donbass, brothers from the Russian Federation, representatives of other cultures, ethnic groups unexpectedly for the Chubais and other "exceptional people" came out
    the code of our civilization is the code of the Winners (where there is a place for a sense of justice and self-esteem in a single impulse). Representatives of Western Satanists began to sound the alarm, using their connections with the "exceptional" in the Russian Federation, they began to put pressure on the institutions of power. They understood what "righteous Vesuvius" threatens their greedy plans. Our brothers in arms (in spirit) turned their attention to Novorossia: Serbs, allies from France, USA, Germany, Bulgaria, Italy, Belarus, Moldova, the Russian-speaking diaspora from western Ukraine (Galician Rus), the Baltic states, etc. Novorossia is one of threats to create
    universal globalization (creation of an electronic concentration camp, universal chipization).
    Ideology and decisive actions, until the generation of our compatriots was urgently lost, financing of the underground, organization of meetings, the formation of a new youth union in the post-Soviet space, the elimination of Bandera leaders, change ideology on TV (leave good ones).
    Only in this way will we win the war, which is aimed at the destruction of Russia.
    I believe that in institutions of power there are people who understand, among the officer corps there are also people
    ready to "ring the bells". Therefore, there is time. The Russian army needs to prepare by leaps and bounds.
    In the Great Patriotic War, our grandfathers won for such ideals: for Stalin, for their homeland, for Soviet power. At the time of Alexander Nevsky they won for such ideals: Holy Russia, for Faith. During the Napoleonic Wars they won for ideals: for Faith, Tsar, Fatherland. And for the oligarchs will not die.
    Without ideology, nowhere ...

    RESPECT FROM Eugene.
  15. +2
    23 November 2019 09: 42
    Russia, perhaps, did not do something: failed, could not, slap it, but there is no fault in it! Guilt comes for what is done, feel the difference!

    if there are no guilty parties, then there is no work on errors. Although Russia, which had a tremendous influence in Ukraine among the layman, really missed the point. The states did not miss. What interesting did Zurabov report to the Kremlin? Or did he solve only his business interests there?
    Cadres decide everything, and cadres turned out to be useless.
    What to do now? - Nothing. Ukraine must go its own way. The point of no return is passed, the generational change in Ukraine makes the past impossible.
    1. -2
      23 November 2019 10: 17
      Quote: Silvestr
      Although Russia, which had a tremendous influence in Ukraine among the layman, really missed the point. The states did not miss. What interesting did Zurabov report to the Kremlin? Or did he solve only his business interests there?

      someone has soft power. Someone has an elephant in a china shop.
      Although the elephant had a huge advantage.
      But how loyal are beneficial - they can be profitably sold and exchanged.
  16. +4
    23 November 2019 09: 48
    The enemy tears piece by piece from the Russian national body. They have already taught us to talk about Ukraine and the Republic of Belarus ourselves - “let them do it ourselves”. Why remember the disappeared Polabsko-Pomeranian tribes who resisted the Germans for hundreds of years? As if there is no connection, as if this is not a continuation of the unified process of the destruction of the Slavic-Russians of the Christian period today.
    What kind of strategy can Ukraine have for our management, playing with the “partners” in the same game? The marginal “elite” pays for membership in the “unipolar world” with living pieces of our people and their wealth, due to their complete creative degradation and the altered state of our population.
    You can continue to cover up your defeatism with the "isolation strategy", raise the "question of Nazi responsibility ..." before! the aggressor ...
    1. -3
      23 November 2019 10: 03
      Quote: Alexander Ra
      You can continue to cover up your defeatism with the "isolation strategy", raise the "question of Nazi responsibility ..." before! aggressor

      Everything is lost!!! belay
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  17. +1
    23 November 2019 10: 06
    Often you hear such a rebuke: Russia has no strategy towards Ukraine.

    In my opinion, such reproaches can be voiced by people with a planning horizon of 6-12 months. What is more likely a tactic for public policy.
  18. +2
    23 November 2019 10: 10
    Take the arapnik onto a bench through one and flog it until the dope from the head disappears, and then restore the country for a stew. And maybe the grandchildren will become people, because this process is not fast. Well, the most odious Natsik and traitors in the expense, according to the laws of wartime, they themselves bawl that they have a war. So smart people, for which they fought.
  19. +1
    23 November 2019 10: 46
    It's time for "Old Man" to pack up their bags and go to Rostov. Alexander Grigorievich, look what is going on under your nose.
    1. +1
      23 November 2019 11: 24
      Quote: Eugene (Eugene)
      Father "It's time to pack up our suitcases in Rostov.

      And the hell is he there? In Rostov, what, a vip colony-settlement for those former "independent and independent" from an older brother?
  20. 0
    23 November 2019 10: 52
    What to do? Economically strangle the Nazi state, leading it to destruction and partition.
    1. +5
      23 November 2019 11: 04
      Look what is going on under the nose of Minsk, "dill" and Belarusian "fascists" from the organization "Vayar"
      1. +4
        23 November 2019 11: 05
        More "arias" appeared
        1. +3
          23 November 2019 11: 09
          “The investigation is objectively investigating while it is premature to say whether it will reach the trial,” Valery Vakulchik commented on the case of the White Legion, answering questions from journalists in parliament. Belarus -2017 year.
      2. 0
        24 November 2019 22: 22
        In the photo on the right, this is a military-historical reconstruction. Do not sew fascism to her.
      3. +1
        25 November 2019 15: 06
        In short, there was a comment that the young people in the photo in German (Nazi) form are a reconstruction
        events. Events - where Belarusian collaborators fought. But the essence of the problem in Belarus does not change. There is an opinion that under the guise of reconstruction, in order not to advertise themselves prematurely, some representatives of "true Aryans" can formalize their nationalist (fascist) organizations under the guise of organizations (military-historical). And here the main thing is not to break the wood. But often guys with the same stripes began to appear in reconstructions (events in the Second World War) and in modern fascist organizations. This requires an unbiased review of the relevant authorities.
        For enemies, this is ideal. And how reconstructions are done is a question, there is a topic - playing with the subconscious, you watch the reconstruction and see how the Red Army men win, and the guys from the SS "heroically", although they lose, but die for "Belarus or Ukraine". A clear explanation to the younger generation is needed, a clear commentary, accompanied by the display of photographs (and other materials) of the atrocities of the "SS" and the entire fascist army with other "knife and ax romantics."




        Another photo of the recent past. And in addition, fresh information. In the area of ​​the Russian city of Yekaterinoslav (Dnepropetrovsk) - the territory of occupied Novorossia, they are training on the territory of the former children's health camp, brothers from Belarusian pseudo-patriotic organizations. The question is, who trains them? Or maybe the guys from "SS" -NATO are participating in training there.
        And it’s time for Alexander Grigorievich to stop speculating - the topic of the ban on the St. George ribbon as a symbol of victory, there are figures in the Republic of Belarus who are not satisfied with the St. George ribbon as a symbol.
        An ideology in Russia must be urgently taken. For the identity of the Slavic peoples (Little Russians, Great Russians, other ethnic groups). Because the enemy takes away what we do not take into our own hands (lack of amendments to the constitution) and in a perverted form presents this to young people.
        1. 0
          25 November 2019 15: 26
          Yes, more about the battalion them. Dudaev. The militants of this battalion were in the territory occupied
          Yekaterinoslav. They even gave interviews on the embankment of the river. Dnieper.
          And here is the old theme about finance and business - the Jewish Center Minor, which is the largest center in Europe, which was built in Yekaterinoslav. I am not against the Jews as a people. Among the Jews in the Second World War there were heroes of the Soviet Union. I am against the fact that the Jewish oligarchic business and other "guys" feel calm next to such non-people. And for some reason, none of the fascists comes and storms their center - it's strange. And they, representatives of the business community, do not openly condemn this phenomenon in Yekaterinoslav. Fascism has no nationality.
          Where is our ideology?
      4. 0
        25 November 2019 15: 34
        In short, there was a comment that the young people in the photo in German (Nazi) form are a reconstruction
        events. Events - where Belarusian collaborators fought. But the essence of the problem in Belarus does not change. There is an opinion that under the guise of reconstruction, in order not to advertise themselves prematurely, some representatives of "true Aryans" can formalize their nationalist (fascist) organizations under the guise of organizations (military-historical). And here the main thing is not to break the wood. But often guys with the same stripes began to appear in reconstructions (events in the Second World War) and in modern fascist organizations. This requires an unbiased review of the relevant authorities.
        For enemies, this is ideal. And how reconstructions are done is a question, there is a topic - playing with the subconscious, you watch the reconstruction and see how the Red Army men win, and the guys from the SS "heroically", although they lose, but die for "Belarus or Ukraine". A clear explanation to the younger generation is needed, a clear commentary, accompanied by the display of photographs (and other materials) of the atrocities of the "SS" and the entire fascist army with other "knife and ax romantics."
      5. 0
        25 November 2019 15: 35
        In short, there was a comment that the young people in the photo in German (Nazi) form are a reconstruction
        events. Events - where Belarusian collaborators fought. But the essence of the problem in Belarus does not change. There is an opinion that under the guise of reconstruction, in order not to advertise themselves prematurely, some representatives of "true Aryans" can formalize their nationalist (fascist) organizations under the guise of organizations (military-historical). And here the main thing is not to break the wood. But often guys with the same stripes began to appear in reconstructions (events in the Second World War) and in modern fascist organizations. This requires an unbiased review of the relevant authorities.
        For enemies, this is ideal. And how reconstructions are done is a question, there is a topic - playing with the subconscious, you watch the reconstruction and see how the Red Army men win, and the guys from the SS "heroically", although they lose, but die for "Belarus or Ukraine". A clear explanation to the younger generation is needed, a clear commentary, accompanied by the display of photographs (and other materials) of the atrocities of the "SS" and the entire fascist army with other "knife and ax romantics."
  21. +4
    23 November 2019 11: 15
    HERE AND "UKRO-BELARUSIAN ARY"
    1. +4
      23 November 2019 11: 17
      And these "chosen ones" are ready to kill the residents of Donbass - our New Russia.
      1. +4
        23 November 2019 11: 19
        West - "partners" rejoice.
        Ideology and decisive actions, until the generation of our compatriots was urgently lost, financing of the underground, organization of meetings, the formation of a new youth union in the post-Soviet space, the elimination of Bandera leaders, change ideology on TV (leave good ones).
        Only in this way will we win the war, which is aimed at the destruction of Russia. soldier
  22. +6
    23 November 2019 11: 37
    And here is the translation from the patch: "international peacekeeping battalion named after ..."
    I believe that in the Caucasus there are elders who do not approve of the behavior of persons who ...
    But I have a question for those who in Russia submitted the idea of ​​"peacekeepers", but they are not afraid if such "peacekeepers" with NATO members enter Donbass (Novorossiya) and others like them? What the hell is Ukraine
    "you are pushing the residents of Novorossiya. fool
  23. +4
    23 November 2019 12: 05
    In fact, after Obama declared an exclusive nation, it was necessary to loudly and clearly declare the United States as a fascist state. For this is the backbone of fascism, it is not for nothing that they vote against praise all the time. I think Hitler, too, would never have voted "for" if he had been asked ...
    1. +4
      23 November 2019 18: 49
      Quote: faterdom
      it was necessary to loudly and clearly declare the United States a fascist state.

      Well, you have enough! Today you declare the USA a fascist state, and how to receive a green card tomorrow? What to do with children? Leave in the fascist den?
    2. -3
      24 November 2019 23: 02
      And which of the items determining fascism fall under the United States ???
  24. +1
    23 November 2019 12: 08
    Is the wolf to blame for being a predator? The answer is obvious. In the famous fable of grandfather Krylov there is a universal recipe for communicating with wolves: "You are gray, and I, friend, are gray." The absence of a strategy is not "also a strategy", but a strategy: "They will simply die, and we will go to heaven." Would rather.
  25. +1
    23 November 2019 13: 11
    To the question: "Who is to blame?" The majority of Russians (or those who consider themselves to be them) have the answer. Someone who has been on the screens for 20 years “in public” as a lecturer of the “Knowledge Society” with an essay on the topic: How it should be. When it comes to summing up and distributing "earrings to all sisters", we are disappointed (and now with growing anger) to see the political and ....... a (a person who cannot, and most likely does not want to). This is a misfortune for Russia and a catastrophe for the Russian nation.
    1. +2
      23 November 2019 13: 27
      You know, Oleg, I don’t feel like turmoil, she will hit us in the back in New Russia. And the Syrian corps too.
      When, in their opinion, the hour "H" comes for the introduction of a "peacekeeping" contingent into the territory of the Russian Federation to "save the World", in view of the fact that turmoil has begun in Russia and there is a threat to the safety of nuclear facilities located in Russia, at the request of the "democratic liberal-immoral opposition of the Russian Federation ". They need to prepare public opinion in Europe and in other "democratic countries".
      Regards, Eugene.
      1. +2
        23 November 2019 13: 29
        And the trouble in Belarus will be a good help.
        But we have a chance. His Majesty the occasion.
        1. 0
          26 November 2019 14: 15
          For them, distemper is a "good petrel".
  26. +1
    23 November 2019 14: 36
    The authorities today are not only capable of offering the people of Ukraine, but are not able to offer their people, except for the endless enrichment of the oligarchic “elite” due to the plunder of the country.
  27. +3
    23 November 2019 15: 04
    TODAY'S NEWS: In Dnepropetrovsk, unknown persons brutally beat pro-Ukrainian activists. The day before, on November 22, unknown persons broke into the office of the Maydanuts and beat them. This was reported by the potheads themselves. “Yesterday, November 22, at about 22 pm, five young people in balaclavas broke into the premises of Prosvita in Dnipro and attacked me and Viroslav Tsyupyak. The beating took place in the premises of a public organization with witnesses. Now we are writing a statement to the police and going to the hospital. There are injuries to the skull, jaw and nose, ”said the head of the local pro-Ukrainian public organization Melnichuk. He added that together with the second beaten activist he had already written a statement to the police. Note that the organization "Community of Active Youth" (CAM), whose head is Melnychuk, is organizing rallies in support of Ukrainian punishers and patriots of Ukraine. "
    If it is true. That our need to help. hi
    1. +4
      23 November 2019 18: 36
      Quote: Eugene (Eugene)
      If it is true. That our need to help.

      By all means. As soon as they are found, beaten or imprisoned, one must immediately express concern.
    2. -2
      24 November 2019 23: 10
      Do not give out wishful thinking. This attack is related to their anti-corruption activities.
  28. -1
    23 November 2019 15: 05
    Lord! And what is Russia and who represents our interests? Why, is it suddenly Mr. Putin should worry about the interests of Russia and its citizens? Is he that altruist in the tenth generation? And can’t help but sleep not to eat until the interests of 145 million Russians are respected? We must thank the providence that there are people who take on the hard work of observing the interests of the country. And anyone can steal and run away!
  29. -3
    23 November 2019 15: 25
    Chitroplane again
  30. +2
    23 November 2019 16: 53
    Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke harshly about the verbiage officials, noting that they would not only surrender the party, but also "surrender the country." And he urged to "torment and shake" the civil servants at the local level, urging them to achieve the decisions necessary for the people.

    Speaking at a plenary session of the United Russia party congress, President Vladimir Putin reminded those sitting in the hall that the ruling party's status "consists not in ruling, but in serving the people of Russia."

    "Slovobludy, opportunists, sticking to the ruling status of the party, if anything, they will surrender not only it, and the country will surrender," the head of state noted, adding that "this has happened in our history many times, including in our recent history."
    1. +4
      23 November 2019 18: 31
      Quote: Eugene (Eugene)
      "Slovobludy, opportunists, sticking to the ruling status of the party, if anything, they will surrender not only it, and the country will surrender," the head of state noted, adding that "this has happened in our history many times, including in our recent history."

      This is correctly noted by GDP. I probably remembered myself, how I was in the ruling party, in its vanguard KGB detachment, how I covered Sobchak from my Moscow colleagues, how I surrendered the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and, together with Sobchak, Kudrin, Chubais, etc., who were "sticking to the ruling party status" ...
  31. +1
    23 November 2019 17: 37
    Quote: Eugene (Eugene)
    "Slovobludy, opportunists, sticking to the ruling status of the party, if anything, they will surrender not only it, and the country will surrender"

    Late, they were all there, gathered on this ship. And now it’s very convenient to take them all away from power forever. The guarantor does not want to - I think the people will include him there as well. And he wants to - at least worthily complete his reign.
    I think there is simply no option "both ours and yours". All these "makaroshki" and the people are already antagonists, and not through the fault of the people.
  32. -2
    23 November 2019 19: 39
    What should we do with Ukraine

    Specifically for you, Victor, to write and write again. About the insidious West, stupid "non-brothers", Donald Our Trump and the wise policy of the Kremlin. Take advantage of the situation before you die.
    from the guilt of tsarism and communism to the failed policy of Moscow in the post-Soviet space in the 90s.
    Ancestors let us down, damn it. But nothing that the Kremlin drove from Kiev with pissed rags for the 14th year of Putin’s rule?
    What will be done now with all this will be decided on December 9 in Paris, but they will not be able to decide essentially.
    What I like about Kamenev’s creations is confidence. He said they couldn’t, so they couldn’t. He wrote in February, not to be Ze president, and so it turned out until he became. He said in October that the Norman format died, it is, it died before December. wink
    Because in the Minsk impasse, the whole strategy of Europe is a strategy of constantly “throwing” Russia.
    That is, the Russian Federation has already been thrown more than once. Why not throw more, since scammers sit at the table again ?.
  33. +1
    23 November 2019 22: 53
    Quote: "... the direct culprits: the United States and Europe. The late ideologist of the West, the late Zbigniew Brzezinski, announced at the beginning of the XNUMXs a strategy for building a Western world order: against Russia ..."
    1) It turns out that the wolf has a strategy and organization (flock). a hunter, if he was left even without a hunting organization.
    2) Is the wolf to blame for being a dangerous predator? No. hunter, if he forgot the gun, or drank it, or gave the wolf.
    3) Zbigniew Brzezinski is credited with the thesis that Russia without Ukraine is not viable. Some people argue that this is not so, i.e. Brzezinski was mistaken. But, firstly, Brzezinski is not the first to use this provision, and secondly, it is the law of preserving a united Russia, which was divided into two parts. If one part becomes hostile to another, then in the end the whole will be annihilated.
    4) Ukraine is a part of us that rots, poisoning the entire body, so the task should be formulated in such a way that we do it with ourselves. The goal is obvious: you need to heal the whole body and fight off a pack of wolves. I repeat, wolves are not to blame.
  34. +1
    23 November 2019 23: 32
    Well, what "questions", what "strategy" ???

    The oligarchs share power and money with the hands of ordinary people, nationalists and special services.

    And this can last for decades, as in S. Ossetia, Akhazia, Transnistria ....
  35. -1
    24 November 2019 10: 45
    It was necessary to do in 2014, and now it remains only to observe ...
    1. 0
      24 November 2019 14: 15
      Yanukovych and Poroshenko staged a "carousel". Everything more or less valuable, first of all the Russian land, which was protected by the ancestors, has already passed into someone's shabby little hands, and the right to property is sacred.
  36. +2
    24 November 2019 18: 57
    What to do is obvious ... To return the territories of Russia temporarily occupied by Ukraine ... to give up other things ...
    1. -3
      24 November 2019 23: 16
      Deep thought, even very. You need to sit down for the dissertation.
  37. +1
    24 November 2019 19: 03
    When a Ukrainian gets smarter he becomes Russian. We will wait when they grow wiser, and the worse the living conditions, the faster the process.
  38. 0
    25 November 2019 01: 01
    Quote: Nashorn
    And which of the items determining fascism fall under the United States ???

    Nazism does not resemble? After all, there was already a nation that declared itself the best.
  39. +1
    25 November 2019 18: 38
    What should we do with Ukraine
    Put a dot after the word Ukraine. It was necessary to do 5 years ago, but they covered Crimea with the Donbass. We did not overestimate the brothers, but we could take everything! And it’s time to throw all the resources of propaganda on the internal problems of Russia, for example, on the military-patriotic education of youth, etc.!
  40. +1
    26 November 2019 23: 34
    The article is very interesting, there are many opinions, not everyone can be agreed. On the 21st, Solovyov discussed the issue of relations with Belarus. It started around 2.02.00. On YouTube it is. Solovyov can be treated in different ways, I do not advertise his program, just there it is very interesting to explain the topic of this discussion. Opinions of various politicians, including those from the presidential team of the Russian Federation.
  41. 0
    27 November 2019 12: 33
    The future socialist revolution will sweep away all artificial borders that arose after 1991 in the USSR.
  42. Eug
    0
    27 November 2019 18: 00
    It is necessary to make Russia comfortable primarily for citizens of the Russian Federation. Then citizens of other countries will seek Russia, while other countries themselves will crowd in line for friendship and protection, offering (rather than extorting) for this purpose favorable economic conditions, which again should further improve the lives of Russian citizens. But it is very radical.
  43. 0
    28 November 2019 12: 42
    There is no need to do anything with this territory, it finally died in 2014 and now fence off and ignore it.
  44. 0
    29 November 2019 21: 16
    Today, the parliament of the DPR adopted a law on state. The border and the territory of the DPR within the Donetsk region until 2014. This is a strong and new move, let's see how events will develop, what statements will be made. In general, to the edge, it is not too late to disavow recognition of the existing regime, create an exiled government and parliament of Ukraine, turn to international organizations, national governments and tribunals to protest the 2014 coup.

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