The Ministry of Defense announced the display of new equipment at the Victory Parade

In the military parade on Red Square in Moscow on 9 on May 2020 in honor of the 75 anniversary of Victory in the Great Patriotic War, 14 of thousands of troops, about 300 units of weapons and military equipment, more than 100 planes and helicopters will be involved. This was told by Russian Minister of Defense Sergei Shoigu.

Speaking at a collegium of the Ministry of Defense on Wednesday, the head of the Russian military department spoke about plans to hold a military parade in Moscow on May 9 2020 of the year. He also reported on new types of military equipment, previously not shown to the general public, and which will take part in the main parade. According to Shoigu, we are talking about more than 20 types of equipment.

These are the Armata and Kurganets-25 infantry fighting vehicles with the new Dagger and Epoch combat modules, the S-300В4 and С-350 anti-aircraft missile systems, the Derivation-Air Defense anti-aircraft artillery system, the remote mining engineering system, Typhoon protected car family and much more

- the minister said.

According to Shoigu, units of the armed forces of foreign states will take part in the parade, the exact number is not currently known, since coordination is still underway.

In total, on 9 of May 2020 of the year in 29 cities of Russia more than 155 thousand people will take part in military parades and processions, about 3 thousand pieces of equipment will be involved there.

Comments

[Saboteur Holuy]

What's the use? The troops will continue to be taught the AKMS-47. And there haven’t been, and still aren’t, any new F-22 aircraft ...

[vvvjak]

Quote: Saboteur Holuay

The troops will continue to be taught AKMS-47

Which troops and who prefers? And what kind of "beast" is this AKMS-47?

Quote: Saboteur Holuay

And there were no new F-22 comparable aircraft ...

Well, thank God. But there are much better planes in the Russian Aerospace Forces.

[vvvjak]

So AKMS or AK-47, and maybe AK-74 (AK-74m). You already decide what to eat AKMS - 47, so preferred in some kind of troops.

[Saboteur Holuy]

7,62-MM KALASHNIKOV AUTOMATED MODERNIZED WITH FOLDING BUTT AKMS

[vvvjak]

Quote: Saboteur Holuay

AKMS

So AKMS or AKMS - 47. You do not see the difference point blank? AKM was adopted in 1959, AK -47 in 1947, how can AKM-47 be (even with C even without)?

[Saboteur Holuy]

Not in what year it was adopted, but what year is the BASIC SAMPLE? With cartridge 7, 62 SAMPLE 1947

Shotguns have only one concept — what year the SAMPLE is! I do not know the 1959 sample, because it is not! Gee ... well, the fighters ...

[Sentinel-vs]

Maybe it's time to ban accounts with a rating of less than -10000? Are these absolutely useless influence agents for the site?

[vargo]

It generally surprises me. There are services where the commented comment is either hidden or made translucent. And I am silent about the very negative profile rating. It’s time to cover such a profile.

[Astronaut]

I support, because these are provocateurs or trolls, and look below how many people are being led to this!

[Prisoner]

But this is just AKMS. AKMS-47 does not exist. There is none and never has been. Lodged so recognize and learn materiel.

[Saboteur Holuy]

Yes, then I’m a fick, but AKMS is of the 1947 model ... The next sample is already from 1974

[Piramidon]

Quote: Saboteur Holuay

AKMS he sample 1947

Again by. AKMS was adopted in 1959.

[Saboteur Holuy]

Another talent ... Sample and adopted for service is different ... about the 1959 Abrazets I have not heard ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Diversant Holuy

Another talent ... Sample and adopted for service is different ... about the 1959 Abrazets I have not heard ...

Well, here it’s more talented not to find anyone. I also have not heard about AKMS of 1947. AKMS, like AKM (its basic model) was created in 1956

[Saboteur Holuy]

Read above, I have a word there SAMPLE BASIC I'm talking about AKMS as the base model of 1947 and wrote! The next basic sample is already in 1974 ... and there are even more modifications
And you rub me here about MODIFICATIONS! But you don’t know the words of such a concept ... that’s the question ...There are many modifications, yes, then write the word MODIFICATION !!!

You ... and how everything here about weapons you know superficially ...

[Stas 2rep]

You are a complete zero in both weapons and ammunition.
1 AKMS 47 does not exist.
2 cartridge 7,62x39 sample 1943
3 in the troops of AK 74 (5,45 X 39)

[kit88]

Dear lackey. We all understand that you are here for trolling, without such as you would be bored. But you were noisy.
Anyone here knows that the AK assault rifle that you name AK-47 is from 1949 (not 1947) and the AKM assault rifle from 1959 are completely different things.
It's like mixing Pele with Maradona on a football website. And that, and that footballer, and the other footballer, and that South American and the other, and besides, both strikers played at about the same time - in the 20th century ... Adno and also - "pofik".
This is no longer trolling, this is laughter in the audience.

[Saboteur Holuy]

Everything is sad again. I'm talking about Samples, you tell me about Modifications ... Sample is when it was designed in 1947 .Everything else that comes next is a modification of the SAMPLE!We have different schools, I was taught more accurately and deeply ... A little higher and lower there are explanations where the colored lines are ... Fill the gap in knowledge
It is a pity again that we have to chew, fill in the gaps in our army ...
And the bad thing is that our ordinary soldiers and other officers here write without even basic knowledge ... Alo-teachers of military schools!

[kit88]

Dear, I understand that you were taught by the pros, "deeply and to the point" (to say the least to us with Soviet education), and made a guru out of you, as they and you yourself think.
But forgive my frankness:
YOU IN THE WORD OF THREE LETTERS MAKE FOUR MISTAKES.

[Saboteur Holuy]

It doesn’t matter about grammatical errors, I don’t pretend to be a philologist, but I was well taught knowledge about weapons, and you aren’t there, that’s the whole difference, but many here don’t know anything else except personal ambitions and good spelling ... You don’t cling to mistakes, you answer in essence, I, unlike you, professionally studied the mat part, and did not sit in the Lenin rooms in watered classes ... instead of them, I crawled more often at the training ground, I have a school in the USSR, but a rare school where they taught analytics and not propaganda ...
Where I served as philologists, they usually didn’t go through health ...
with propaganda not to me

[kit88]

Dear Holuay. How to "essentially" talk to you? You are so far from the topic that not only the characteristics, you do not know the names.
It will not be difficult for you to explain your position. Who brought to you that the AKM is a modification of the AK, and the AK-74 is a completely new model? I hope it is not you yourself who advanced this theory, but this is the position of the Kalashnikov concern, the GRAU, or whom?

[Saboteur Holuy]

You run in circles ... it’s not funny anymore ...Is it difficult to remember the word BASIC SAMPLE constructed in 1947?... the report does not come from adoption ... Everything for now, to your teachers at a military school COL!
If you want to specify, then write about the MODIFICATIONS of the base model!

[kit88]

Dear lackey. The answer to this question, as expected, in principle, did not follow from you.
Understand that it is mainly the military who "sit" here. And you, apparently, did not hold anything heavier than a smartphone in your hands.
Tales about how you heroically crawled along a secret training ground, leave your girls to beauties, they love it.
Well, dear graduated from a "rare" military school, any clerk in our headquarters knows that there is no such AKMS-47 assault rifle, and you are claiming the role of a special forces officer on the VO website. Laughter.
All your knowledge voiced in your many posts is ONE phrase:

1947 BASIC SAMPLE The next basic sample is already in 1974 ...

In short, do not tell my slippers. Say something smart or something.
Something like "This AKM is the same AK, because ...... But the AK-74 is a completely different matter ... as Mikhail Timofeevich explained to us over a glass of tea ... and we are in this convinced when in the jungle of Vietnam ..... "
This will be a comment of a real warrior, not a young button-presser.
OK?

[brr1]

Quote: Diversant Holuy

It doesn’t matter about grammatical errors, I don’t pretend to be a philologist, but I was well taught knowledge about weapons, and you aren’t there, that’s the whole difference, but many here don’t know anything else except personal ambitions and good spelling ... You don’t cling to mistakes, you answer in essence, I, unlike you, professionally studied the mat part, and did not sit in the Lenin rooms in watered classes ... instead of them, I crawled more often at the training ground, I have a school in the USSR, but a rare school where they taught analytics and not propaganda ...
Where I served as philologists, they usually didn’t go through health ...
with propaganda not to me

I figured it out, it’s a network sadomasochist, it rushes from dislikes. Do not respond to it, do not let the disease progress. Without cons, he will die, do not react to him at all. Not minus not plus. Who does not believe me, go into it, and read his comments. They are all masochistic.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: brr1

Without cons, he will die, do not react to him at all.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: kit88

It’s like to confuse Pele and Maradona on the football resource. And that, and that footballer, and another footballer, and that South American and the other, and besides, both strikers also played at about the same time - in the 20th century ...

There is a significant difference in their preferences for tonic products: one has coffee, the other has coke. Something tells us that our Vasya from Samara (Kholuay is a backup nickname) is also not alien to some drugs.

[Potato]

Loool)))) this is a good old AK47 with a folding butt. And in the Russian Aerospace Forces there is nothing better than the su-35 for many years)

[vvvjak]

Quote: Potato

Loool))))

The AKM was put into service in 1959 as it could be the AK-47. I don't know much about who the "looool" is.

[Potato]

The same akm with a folding butt. Differences ak-47 from akm insignificant. You all understand perfectly, looking at the weapons of our most elite troops in Syria, and deliberately distort and cling to the words)))

[vvvjak]

Quote: Potato

looking at the weapons of our most elite troops in Syria

The most elite troops of Russia (a company of the guard of honor) are armed with SKS carbines (see photo in the article), which was adopted in 1949. Why don't you shout "horror, what a horror nightmare".

[Catfish]

Differences between AKM and AK-47:

1/. Increased stability in the horizontal plane by transferring the point of impact of the bolt in the front position from the right to the left.
2 /. Added trigger retarder to increase stability and increase the accuracy of the battle.
3 /. The angle of attachment of the stock was changed, which brought the stop point closer to the firing line.
4 /. And, as a result, the aiming range has been increased.
5/. The mass of the machine was reduced due to the manufacture of the receiver by stamping.
6 /. Compensator introduced for shooting from unstable positions.
7 / .New, aluminum store instead of steel.
8 / .New bayonet-knife.

So AKM is a practically new weapon in relation to the AK-47. On the AKMS, instead of a stock of pressed plywood, a folding metal shoulder rest is installed, there are no other differences from the AKM.
He served with AKMS for all three years and I consider him one of the best machines of our time, since there was nothing to compare.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Potato

This is a good old AK47 with a folding butt.

To be precise, this is an AKM with a folding butt.

[Potato]

Oh oh oh, the exact you are ours. The difference between ak47 and akm is minimal

[210ox]

He is relieved. Another bayonet-knife is applied and a compensator is installed

[Piramidon]

Quote: Potato

Oh oh oh,

Well, why did you get it loose, did you pinch your tail, or what?

[30hgsa]

Not .... This is AKMS - the good old AKM with a folding butt.
And what is AKMS-47?

[Voyager]

How many years is this? Su-35 entered service 5 years ago. The latest, most effective fighter capable of repelling any other enemy fighter.

[Stas 2rep]

Nothing is better than the Su-35 for many years around the world.

[210ox]

Miracle, how do you relate to Makar as saboteurs? AKMS was created on the basis of AKM, which was developed in the 50s, and with whom I served for two years. His number is ET295. And you, apparently, are either a book warrior, or at best at the headquarters they were hanging around. The divasant is called .. Ugh!

[vvvjak]

I’m here on my own and I don’t have a relationship either with Makar or with the deversants, especially with a miracle.

[210ox]

I apologize. This is to lackey ..

[Saboteur Holuy]

The sad thing is that you have not been taught the basis during your service...None of you and including you even wrote two keywords: SAMPLE and MODIFICATION
I'm here about SAMPLE wrote and not about its modifications ...
But this is normal, unlike you, they gave me basic knowledge more deep, superficial to you... from here you behave incorrectly and behave ...
Therefore you will never understand me I am able to think analytically, but you are not, I soberly assess ... and do not take offense at you ...

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

The first fifth-generation production aircraft in assembly at KnAAZ. The first deliveries of the Su-57 to the troops will begin in 2020.

[Saboteur Holuy]

Og ... And here’s what the Defense Ministry says: Deputy Minister of Defense Krivoruchko: serial Su-57s begin to enter the troops.
In 2019, 1 aircraft will arrive.
In 2020, another 1 aircraft will arrive.
So 1 plane per year is, according to the Ministry of Defense, a mass production.
Perhaps even a large-scale one.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

The aircraft launched into serial production. And this year there will be one aircraft, according to the approved schedule. Next, they will produce 10 aircraft per year with the possibility of increasing to 20. The entire production cycle of the Su-57 from scratch so far takes more than 2 years, compared to 8-10 months for the Su-35. For a clear comparison, it’s enough to recall how much time it took KnAAZ to deploy serial production of the Su-35, starting from the moment the first contract was concluded in 2009. I would like to note that in the first 9 years from the first flight of the F-35, 5 were released. And the first serial arrived in 2011, 11 years later, after the first flight. F-35 is produced with the participation and co-financing of a number of (so-called) "leading world powers". And the 57th solely by Russia, in conditions of sanctions. What none of the "leading world powers" alone can not repeat, in principle.

[Vlad.by]

Yes, you do not feed the troll. to ignore him.
As in the joke:
- These geese (trolls), dogs, the whole garden (forum) trampled like pigs!

[Tusv]

Og ... And here’s what the Defense Ministry says: Deputy Minister of Defense Krivoruchko: serial Su-57s begin to enter the troops.
In 2019, 1 aircraft will arrive.
In 2020, another 1 aircraft will arrive.
So 1 plane per year is, according to the Ministry of Defense, a mass production.
Perhaps even a large-scale one.

Are we fighting someone, acre of barmalei? A plane is not easy to build. It is still a trained pilot to plant in it, and capable of withstanding 9-11 gravitations of the earth. Have you been on a merry-go-round for a long time?
I can only 3.5 same

[VeteranVSSSR]

And what is equal to ONE attraction of the Earth-explain to the dark ??? Well pzhalsta !!!

[Voyager]

So you will learn to read further, where they say that after 2020, the pace of production will begin to meet the deadline to meet the contract of 76 fighters.

[Potato]

1 production aircraft in 2020m, 2 at 2021m. 72 aircraft until 2028. Mdaaa ...

[Voyager]

How much do you need?
This is the largest fighter aircraft contract in Russian history.

[Nastia makarova]

it's time to chop potatoes

[Thrifty]

Stop! !! Previously, they called the number of 78 aircraft, until 2020, here the number 72 of the aircraft is also called until 2020, who to believe ???

[Prisoner]

You can believe anyone, but don’t believe the Saboteur Holloway. The other dreamer

[Voyager]

76 fighters, to be exact.

[Tusv]

Quote: Diversant Holuy

What's the use? The troops will continue to be taught the AKMS-47. And there haven’t been, and still aren’t, any new F-22 aircraft ...

And you fight without the AK-47. And the Penguin and Dinosaur differ not at all in flight qualities, but at a high price.

[ltc35]

Well, at you, my friend, they wrapped such a squiggle that I even doubted my knowledge of weapons. You definitely surprised me. I’ve taken a picture with AK-12 recently, but I couldn’t shoot from it ...

[Tusv]

I just shot from AK twice. The first shot to the ground, the second and third to the center of the target. and so twice
Probably the first shot I was enrolled in the paramilitary organization with a guard bias

[shark]

Why are you writing nonsense? What is F22 good at, and what kind of beast is AKMS? When you don’t know what to write, just read

[Tusv]

Quote: shark

Why are you writing nonsense? What is F22 good at, and what kind of beast is AKMS?

AKM is AK76. Like be. And F-22 is an expensive dinosaur of 210 apiece and there are exactly the same number of them left

[Polite Moose]

Quote: shark

Why are you writing nonsense?

He does not write nonsense. He just cf spread to the whole site. And instead of discussing technology at the parade, everyone moved out to AKMS-47 and F-22.
Moget.

[Igorpl]

I agree with you. Barely flipped through to the comments on the case.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Saboteur Holuay

And there were no new F-22 comparable aircraft ...

And who, with what and when did they compare them in real databases?

[30hgsa]

AKMS-47 is not five, it's six!

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Not noah, troll.

The troops do not prefer anything, they use what they put into service and, in addition to AKMS, the Russian troops are full of other types and weapons systems.

A plane similar to the F-22, we do not need, we have a better Su-57.

[Incvizitor]

With such comparability, price-quality as in f 22 we do not need.

[senima56]

It would be nice to see all this technique in the parade! And then again the cameras will show the wheels, boots or the pavement of Red Square!
There used to be one camera, and it broadcast what the announcer was talking about (and vice versa). And now a bunch of "flying", "crawling" and some other cameras. And I show everything except technology! Disgusting TV viewing for the past few years!

[Vadmir]

It would be nice to see all this technique in the parade!

I completely agree with you, but it’s very difficult to mount on the fly, the parade is also an officialdom - you need to show the first persons and their guests, veterans. Option one is to make a film about the parade. Once something similar was shown on the Star, in the evening on the day of the parade. It really didn’t work out very well, but the idea is very good. All these:

a bunch of "flying", "crawling" and some other cameras

They shoot continuously and from these records you can mount an excellent film, specifically about soldiers printing step, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, airplanes, helicopters and other military equipment.
Rђ RІRѕS,

Previously, there was one camera, and it broadcast what the speaker was talking about

She showed a little dull and too far away.

[Sentinel-vs]

Absolutely so! I just can't find censorship words when watching the broadcasts of parades for the last three years. There is a technique, and the "brilliant" director of the broadcast shows a close-up of the face of the vehicle commander, who has saluted. Next, the camera switches to rotating wheels, then a change of plan and shows the receding cars that have already passed through the square, then a general plan of the parade from a bird's eye view. And the announcer, meanwhile, says - such and such a complex has passed through Red Square.

[Tusv]

Quote from rudolf

Isn’t it time in Russia to create a separate ceremonial military branch?

So created before the Great Patriotic War. The main goal of the parade? To bourgeois poke in his pants before approaching the border

[pogis]

The Germans did not show off in the 41, although the T-1 and KV drove for the first time at the May 34 parade in Kiev, but the Germans allegedly found out about them only after the start of World War II!
Military parades on Red Square. M .: Military Publishing House, 1980. C. 108; Order of Lenin Moscow Military District. M .: Military Publishing House, 1985. C. 179

[eckons]

And you enlist in the army, there they will give you a lot of things to see and even touch. And from the sofa is not enough to see.

[eckons]

And more than once, and if you are lucky even give cartridges.

[Tusv]

Quote: eckons

And you enlist in the army,

Uncle. Whose will you be? I have over two hundred and fifty excellent combat duty on the border and in me for half a century. I run across half of the local contingent. I beg you. Liberoids just enrage

[eckons]

Oh how. Authority decided to give. And why so few merits have been listed, but where about participation in the club of philatelists, and lovers of botany.? And with what fright you have christened me a liberal. Liberoids are whining for any reason, That nobody saw the equipment from the parades in the troops, And the army is only for parades. And it will be in the army to so whine that the old is not fashionable. And so on. So if anyone doesn’t see the equipment in the parade, the road to the army is not closed to them.

[Gerneton]

only monuments can conquer half of Europe, which can be made parade troops is difficult to even imagine ...

[Tusv]

Quote from rudolf

Will Fedor's robots on motorcycles be?

"And to the unclean chimney sweeps Shame and Shame" - We must honor Korney Our Chukovsky. Or at least read

[Prisoner]

So the opinion of the Specialist was not long in coming. AKMS-47 is enchanting!

[Thrifty]

Sergei Kozhugetovich, we still need to live up to Porad, otherwise tomorrow ukroina will declare war on us, and by Sunday she will take and conquer all of Russia (a joke for the slow-witted, and excessively boring )!

[Politruk-m]

Well, let's see, remember and remember our grandfathers and great-grandfathers of steel soldiers! As one WWII veteran said to his grandson, "Forget this terrible war, get ready for a new, even more bloody .."
And here's what I liked

units of the armed forces of foreign states will take part in the parade, the exact number is not currently known,

Need to unite alone Russia will be difficult to resist the imperialism of the West ..

[Alf]

Quote: Politruk-M

And here's what I liked
units of the armed forces of foreign states will take part in the parade, the exact number is not currently known,

Another Day of Shame, as in 2010. Once again we will see the troops of the invaders on Red Square.

[G. Georgiev]

This laser "Peresvet", will they show? Or is that also a lie?

[Thrifty]

Georgiev, they will show not only the Peresvet laser, but also its export version "Chelubey" !!!

[voyaka uh]

And the mobile version of "Alyosha Popovich".

[Voyager]

Alexei, in vain you laugh, your experts in the forefront and will look for Alyosha and Dobrynya and other Gorynycha

[voyaka uh]

Duc ... we already wore glasses on long noses. Everywhere we look for the hero of this.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: voyaka uh

Duc ... we already wore glasses on long noses. Everywhere we look for the hero of this.

Alexey! Rinse glasses immediately. I tell you for sure: you are not looking there. Gentlemen with the surnames Popovich, Gorynych, (well, and where without him?) Rabinovich is not even Belarusians.

[30hgsa]

Have you been banned in Google? He (Peresvet) was already not shown anywhere.

[Pavel57]

I want everything at once, but a new one appears, is it bad?

[eckons]

Quote: Potato

Loool)))) this is a good old AK47 with a folding butt. And in the Russian Aerospace Forces there is nothing better than the su-35 for many years)

Did you freaking out? This is for you slippers, new every year. It was put into operation in 2014.

[Potato]

It was developed back in 90. began to arrive 5 years ago. FIVE. And this has long been by modern standards.

[eckons]

Tell the Americans about it with their B-52 /

[30hgsa]

Su-27M - "Su-35" (for this was a commercial name) of the 1990s and Su-35S of 2014 (officially assigned an index) are different machines, if anything, with different engines, gliders and avionics.
You need to be a complete layman and an idiot to confuse them.

[Voyager]

Stop lying, it was developed in 2000, at the end of the first decade. By your In logic, your vaunted Raptor, in comparison with it, is already an ancient 30-year-old log, which was first developed for 15 years, just from the 90s, and then produced for 15 years.

[30hgsa]

This scarecrow simply confuses the Su-35 and the Su-35S.
There was a modification of the Su-27 in the 90s, which was pushed at the air show under the name Su-35. But they did not accept it, as did the Su-37. A purely commercial sample.
Then they made the Su-35S with a modified glider, avionics, engine already in the 2000s, now it is being produced. A completely different plane.

[Voyager]

Yes, I remember, the factory code of T-10M is Su-35 and Su-37 at its base with UVT engines. And then from scratch the practically created Su-35S, in general, you wrote everything correctly.

[St Petrov]

Did you freaking out?

no, he's just a Svidomo from Ukraine - now the whole herd is writing this abbreviation "LOL" in all social networks and on forums - in our country it died out back in 2006.

Outskirts, what to do. All is ten years late

[30hgsa]

Barberry with a Dagger, Kurganets from the Epoch, BMP-3 with Derivation, Vityaz, It’s not bad ...
And gorse, lotus, sock?

[Flooding]

They are still fresh, unfinished.
And you need to demonstrate at the parade a batch of no less than six cars.
The right decision was made to postpone.
"Boomerang" was rolled out two or three years ago for the parade.
Something I do not see him among those listed in the text.
Or, indeed, problems with the project, or so far decided to cut funding for the light platform in the presence of numerous modernized armored personnel carriers in favor of the more relevant Kurganets and Fragrances.

[30hgsa]

By boomerang, it’s incomprehensible just the niche of this pepelats.
If you need a highly protected armored personnel carrier - transporting infantry to the battlefield, then typhoons decide the ICE. They are cheaper, better protected and in series.
If you need an infantry fighting vehicle to accompany tanks with motorized rifles, then there is Kurganets and Barberry. Both have better security and armament and cross-country travel faster.
Here and now there is the BTR-82.
The concept of using an armored personnel carrier - a barn is incomprehensible. We do not have air strikes.

[Flooding]

Of course, MRAP is not for delivering infantry to the battlefield.
They have never been armored personnel carriers.
Of course, the boomerang niche is the same as that of the BTR-82.
That is, with the current application, there are no questions.
The question is the changing demands of the conflicts of the future.
Here, so far most likely they have not decided on the place of the light platform on the battlefield and TTZ.
And there is a sufficient number of armored personnel carriers. I think the final appearance of the Boomerang is not clear.
And about some problems, rumors have been circulating for a long time. But then they are rumors.

[30hgsa]

It is MRAP that is engaged in the movement of safe infantry - this is an armored bus, which was originally intended by the BTR. And the same Typhoon is cheaper, luckier, better protected. In fact, MRAPs perform the function of armored personnel carriers better than the armored personnel carriers themselves, especially in local conflicts.

An armored personnel carrier can simply be used as an ersatz BMP - to support infantry on the battlefield. But MRAP cannot do this. Well, due to the 8 by 8 armored personnel carrier it can somehow accompany the tanks ... again on the battlefield, again like an ersatz BMP That's the whole difference.

But the Kurganese does not occupy the BTR-82 niche. The BTR-82 is a cheap, mass vehicle that combines the functions of an armored personnel carrier and an ersatz BMP. Kurgan is a huge expensive shed, it is impossible to solve the task of saturating troops with equipment for transportation and support with it.

[Flooding]

Quote: 30hgsa

It is MRAP that is engaged in the movement of safe infantry - this is an armored bus, which was originally intended by the BTR. And the same Typhoon is cheaper, luckier, better protected. In fact, MRAPs perform the function of armored personnel carriers better than the armored personnel carriers themselves, especially in local conflicts.

What is this? And better protected. And cheaper. A stupid military industrial complex rivets armored personnel carriers.
Maybe the requirements for them still vary?

Quote: 30hgsa

But the Kurganese does not occupy the BTR-82 niche. The BTR-82 is a cheap, mass vehicle that combines the functions of an armored personnel carrier and an ersatz BMP. Kurganets - a huge expensive barn

What does Kurgan have to do with it?
And what does the size have to do with it?

[30hgsa]

1. The requirements for BTR and MRAP are different, but in fact they perform the same function. If you do not release MRAP on the battlefield and leave the BMP on the battlefield.

2. As for the stupid military-industrial complex .. The military-industrial complex is smart, it does not rivet Boomerangs, it rivets cheap BTR-82s, which are more mobile, cheaper, better armed than MRAP, and even swim, but they have protection so-so, which is actually secondary for the mass army.

3. Dimensions - this is to the requirements of the military, presented to the APC. MRAP may be a grenade launcher's dream, but an armored personnel carrier may not. The boomerang is an armored personnel carrier protected at the MRAP level, as a result, it incorporates not only the advantages of both classes, but also the disadvantages - including dimensions. Yes, and the price received space.

Kurgan is a typo - it's about Boomerang.

[Flooding]

Quote: 30hgsa

The requirements for BTR and MRAP are different, but in fact they perform the same function.

If we talk about local conflicts, police operations, convoys, then yes.
Apparently, your vision of the tasks facing army armored vehicles is limited to this list.
BTR-82 is the brainchild of the Soviet military industry for high-intensity conflicts.
MRAP is a product of civil wars and the struggle against various rebels.

Quote: 30hgsa

Dimensions - this is to the requirements of the military, presented to the armored personnel carrier. MRAP may be a grenade launcher's dream, but an armored personnel carrier may not.

Why are you writing me obvious things? Is it really possible for half a year that I was not here, the readership is so stupid that such explanations are required?
I wrote about something else. The niche of technology on the battlefield is determined not primarily by its size. A set of characteristics. Therefore, the question is - what has "a huge barn here" if, in fact, the Boomerang can perform the same tasks as the BTR-82.

Quote: 30hgsa

The boomerang is an armored personnel carrier protected at the MRAP level, as a result, it incorporates not only the advantages of both classes, but also the disadvantages - including dimensions. Yes, and the price received space.

Seriously? And what do you know about Boomerang?
How many kg of explosive can withstand undermining under the bottom?
What is its purchase value?
It is impossible not to understand that a light platform cannot be expensive.
Because it must be mass.

[30hgsa]

The layout of the Boomerang clearly indicates that it has a serious anti-mine defense - from this its height has grown. How much KG is the tenth question, the fact is that the layout solutions are similar to those used on MRAP.

In a high-intensity conflict, such decisions do not make sense - losses on mines and IEDs are negligible compared to losses from other factors. A large hull height makes the APC vulnerable specifically for other factors. Therefore, yes, Boomerang may occupy the BTR-82 niche, but the BTR-82 will feel much better in this niche, including due to price / quantity.

In conditions of local conflict, the ability to swim is excessive and the boomerang weapons complex (BM Boomerang) is not optimal. As a result, he will lose the MRAP, which are cheaper and more capacious in terms of the effectiveness of the safe transfer of troops along the roads under the conditions of sabotage groups.

As for the cheapness ... Boxer CRV the boomerang brother is worth as much as two tanks :) Even if ours is much cheaper ...

[Flooding]

Quote: 30hgsa

In conditions of local conflict, the ability to swim is excessive and the boomerang weapons complex (BM Boomerang) is not optimal.

The conversation was about armored personnel carriers.

Quote: 30hgsa

As a result, he will lose the MRAPs, which are cheaper and more capacious in terms of the effectiveness of the safe transfer of troops along the roads under the conditions of sabotage groups.

This is one of the tasks of MRAP, in contrast to the above.
It is only necessary to clarify: the delivery of small units in local conflicts.
As for the rest, I already wrote above.

Quote: Flood

The question is the changing demands of the conflicts of the future.
Here, so far, most likely they have not decided on the place of the light platform on the battlefield and TTZ ... I think the final appearance of the Boomerang is not clear.

[Voyager]

We are waiting for the era with joy!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: 30hgsa

gorse, lotus, tosochka?

It is possible that

These are Armata and Kurganets-25 infantry fighting vehicles with new Dagger and Epoch combat modules, S-300V4 and S-350 anti-aircraft missile systems, Derivation-Air Defense anti-aircraft artillery system, remote mining engineering system, family of protected vehicles "Typhoon" and more - the minister said.

Here is the "much more".

[G. Georgiev]

New weapon .. Where is it? ... And so, this "Peresvet" laser does not work. Why then did Putin say: "Look, we have new missiles in our country, we have a new laser ... This is not fantasy ..." ... and he showed the animation to the whole world.

[30hgsa]

Have you got out of the shor? The very overexposure of pictures in metal and in the army is a bunch.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: G. Georgiev

showed animation in front of the whole world.

Animation is a mattress dancing, satellites like Poland, Bulgaria and other Romania. They inflate, puff up, as if they mean something in this world, but in fact - zilch, a dummy.

[Dmitry Donskoy]

Quote from rudolf

Isn’t it time in Russia to create a separate ceremonial military branch? Except in parades, such a technique is nowhere else to be seen. Half for sure.

Why not? When I served on the Topol-M, we left combat duty with the whole division to Moscow for the parade

[pogis]

What about rockets? Really with you ?!

[Dmitry Donskoy]

No, they were unloaded at the place of permanent deployment

[serg.shishkov2015]

I’m writing what was recently written in * TiV- * AK-47, when it never happened, the AK-74 first appeared on a digital index, and the first Kalashnikov assault rifle had the designations AK and AKS for the version with a folding butt

[Old26]

Quote: Diversant Holuy

What's the use? The troops will continue to be taught the AKMS-47. And there haven’t been, and still aren’t, any new F-22 aircraft ...

Respected! Where did you see AKMS-47 in the army? Such a machine simply never existed.

Quote: Saboteur Holuay

Not in what year it was adopted, but what year is the BASIC SAMPLE? With cartridge 7, 62 SAMPLE 1947

Do not pull the owl on the globe. And no one ever laid stress on the base model. For between the basic sample and the extreme - sometimes a significant difference. And in the Moscow Region, in the ordering department, apparently suckers are sitting, and they don’t know such basic things as you broadcast. Therefore, their AKU-47 assault rifle has an index of 55-A212, and the modernized Kalashnikov assault rifle of 1959 has an index of 6P1. Expert, damn it

Quote: Saboteur Holuay

I do not know the 1959 sample, because it is not!

How's the gopher? If you do not know, this does not mean that he is not.

Quote: Sentinel-vs

Maybe it's time to ban accounts with a rating of less than -10000? Are these absolutely useless influence agents for the site?

The "saboteur" has this rating of almost "minus 60". Now characters with a minus rating simply do not have shoulder straps, but before they had shoulder straps with skulls, "who is who" was immediately visible

Quote: G. Georgiev

This laser "Peresvet", will they show? Or is that also a lie?

What for? Too many cars in the complex. Yes, and drag on the area of ​​the installation itself with a laser is not necessary. Her only lazy did not show on the network

Quote: Thrifty

Georgiev, they will show not only the Peresvet laser, but also its export version "Chelubey" !!!

[Berg berg]

Here are some more pictures!)