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The State Duma has banned the sale of certain electronic devices without Russian software

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The State Duma has banned the sale of certain electronic devices without Russian software

The State Duma adopted in the third, final reading a law banning the sale of certain electronic devices without pre-installed Russian software. The law comes into force on July 1 next year.


The law adopted by the State Duma obliges to preinstall Russian software before selling it to certain types of electronic devices. We are talking about the so-called "technically sophisticated products", which may include smartphones, computers and televisions with the Smart TV function. They should be sold with pre-installed Russian software in order to save users from the need to install additional applications.

The full list of gadgets covered by this law, Russian installation software, as well as the installation procedure itself should be determined by the Russian government.

The authors of the initiative were deputies Sergey Zhigarev, Vladimir Gutenev, Oleg Nikolaev and Alexander Yushchenko.

The State Duma said that the law is aimed at protecting consumer rights, and will also promote the development of Russian IT companies and "put them on an equal and highly competitive environment" with foreign corporations.
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  1. Piramidon
    Piramidon 21 November 2019 15: 10
    +25
    Is there a Russian analogue of the same "Android"?
    1. Shkworen
      Shkworen 21 November 2019 15: 13
      +19
      only without Google services, the demand for this "android" will be small :)
      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 21 November 2019 15: 14
        +30
        "will put them in an equal and highly competitive environment" with foreign corporations.

        I am of course for the development of high technology in Russia, but ....

        the adoption of this law is lobbying the interests of Russian manufacturers to the detriment of everyone else.

        Where is the competition if everyone MUST install Russian software?

        Or is it competition within Russia? How are Russian smartphones doing? What museum are they in? laughing

        Apples and Google created their own programs, and then in China they began to make iron for them.
        Everything is reasonable. Phones do not do in the USA - it is a fact.

        And here they want to force the iron producers to push the unapproachable. No.
        And who needs these gadgets with non-editable software? request
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        2. ltc35
          ltc35 21 November 2019 15: 46
          +22
          I am generally opposed to installing software on all devices. All these browsers are from the manufacturer, the keyboard, and most importantly - garbage, such as google play movies, books, music. I want to install it myself, the software that I need. In domestic software they put tracking modules no less, if not more than imported ones. Now you have to choose who to give surveillance for themselves. laughing
          Naturally, our companies want to fuck the market, and government agencies have complete control. After this, the Yabloko are likely to leave, and Google will have to share.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 21 November 2019 16: 24
            +25
            "I am generally against installing software in all devices" ////
            ----
            There are devices without software.
            1. ltc35
              ltc35 21 November 2019 16: 26
              +1
              So I clarified ... Not critical, but "trash". smile
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              2. Something
                Something 21 November 2019 21: 19
                +2
                The law adopted by the State Duma obliges to preinstall before the sale on certain types of electronic devices, Russian software. We are talking about the so-called "technically complex goods", these can include smartphones, computers and televisions with smart TV function. They should be sold with pre-installed Russian software in order to save users from the need to install additional applications.

                Not tired of here on VO many "fools" write their stupidity without understanding the issue ... Installing Russian software does not imply a ban Other countries about Android vooshche no speech !!! An example is given to install software to devices with the Smart TV function. How an old grandmother will understand the TV Menu in English, according to the new standard on Russian TV! Read carefully!
                Do not write nonsense without understanding the question.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 22 November 2019 01: 11
                  0
                  Do not cast a shadow over the wattle fence.
                  They do not require Russian in the menu, but Russian-made software
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                  2. Something
                    Something 22 November 2019 14: 22
                    +5
                    Quote: Avior
                    Do not cast a shadow over the wattle fence.

                    Avior (Sergey), shadow on the fence - you bring it along with those who support people like you! The law has not yet been passed and you already download, as on the Maidan in Ukraine ... First, the foreign software none does not prohibit, Secondly he equalizes the rights of all usersgiven their interests, thirdly will act in the interests of our country itself - Russia. Do not need assume what else not accepted.
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                    2. Something
                      Something 22 November 2019 14: 48
                      +5
                      It meant the law not yet signed, but only adopted in the third reading.
                2. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 22 November 2019 07: 27
                  0
                  Quote: Something
                  How an old grandmother will understand the TV menu in English

                  That you rave, already the letters turned red laughing . What is the relationship between the producing country and the menu language? request Have you noticed that all the foreign software intended for Russia has long had Russian-language versions? But this does not make it Russian.
                  1. Something
                    Something 22 November 2019 14: 31
                    +4
                    Piramidon (Stepan, Russia), read carefully: "The State Duma said that the law aims to protect consumer rightsand will also contribute development of Russian IT companies and "will put them in an equal highly competitive environment" with foreign corporations. And there are interests all countries, including Russia. And no one forbids foreign software.
                    1. Piramidon
                      Piramidon 22 November 2019 14: 47
                      -1
                      Quote: Something
                      Piramidon (Stepan, Russia), read carefully: "The State Duma said that the law aims to protect consumer rightsand will also contribute development of Russian IT companies and "will put them in an equal highly competitive environment" with foreign corporations. And there are interests all countries, including Russia. And no one forbids foreign software.

                      This is something you selectively read. Reread more closely. The law is specifically about the prohibition of foreign software. Quote from the article -
                      The State Duma adopted in the third, final reading The State Duma adopted in the third, final reading law banning the sale of certain electronic devices without preinstalled Russian software (BY).
                      1. Something
                        Something 22 November 2019 16: 49
                        +6
                        Quote: Piramidon
                        This is something you selectively read. Reread more closely. The law is specifically about the prohibition of foreign software. Quote from the article

                        And here is a quote from the article you are referring to:
                        Quote: Piramidon
                        The State Duma adopted in the third, final reading the State Duma adopted in the third, final reading the law prohibiting the sale some electronic devices without preinstalled Russian software (BY).

                        Piramidon! Read carefully and understand the meaning. Nobody forbids the ability to install on some devices of imported software and Russian software, but the Russian must be necessary so as not to violate the rights of some citizens of Russia - the rights of consumers. And where is the ban on imported software here? There is no ban. Use whatever you want. But they will sell with imported software at the same time Russian, for different users.
                      2. Piramidon
                        Piramidon 22 November 2019 17: 20
                        -1
                        Quote: Something
                        Read carefully and understand the meaning.

                        I don't want to argue with you. Agree, while we are not reading the law itself, but its interpretation as presented in the media. And there can be a lot of gag from the "experts". Let's wait how it will look in the final version and, after that, it will be possible to discuss it more specifically. hi
                      3. Amin_vivec
                        Amin_vivec 23 November 2019 10: 07
                        +2
                        Well there will be an application package. WHERE TO PROHIBIT HERE ????
              3. Gato
                Gato 22 November 2019 01: 08
                +1
                You can root smart and install only the necessary applications. If the hands are not quite crooked
                1. Igorpl
                  Igorpl 22 November 2019 03: 57
                  -2
                  There may be problems with banking applications.
            2. Elephant
              Elephant 21 November 2019 17: 09
              +9
              Exactly. Such pink devices must be purchased by our DG so that the brains of some initiators are not overloaded. They have been scaring me recently, now we have to have time to buy a Smart TV set in the kitchen before July 1, so that we can easily connect to the smartphone via Wi-Fi.
              1. Obstacle
                Obstacle 21 November 2019 18: 25
                0
                And what kind of sacred date is this, tell me ...
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            3. Astra wild
              Astra wild 21 November 2019 17: 20
              +1
              Warrior, similar gadgets only in the museum and you will find
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 22 November 2019 08: 28
                +1
                Quote: Astra wild
                Warrior, similar gadgets only in the museum and you will find

                But it does not depend on the availability of electricity and does not bother with updates. laughing
                1. Zvonarev
                  Zvonarev 22 November 2019 10: 37
                  +1
                  Yeah, and the controls are intuitive. And in universities to return the slide rule!
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 22 November 2019 12: 07
                    -1
                    Quote: Zvonarev
                    Yeah, and the controls are intuitive. And in universities to return the slide rule!

                    No sarcasm needed, boy. The slide rule must be studied, as well as the compass, ordinary paper maps and the sextant. The Yankes got stuck on the navigators, and now very few people are able to navigate by maps and compass (only local residents are captured and ask for directions) .. I remember, during my service, our navigators, armed with a slide rule, gave odds to all these CNVU ... For the sake of fairness, I will note that then those calculators were on "gears" (mechanical), but nevertheless the slide rule is a fail-safe mechanism good hi
            4. protoss
              protoss 21 November 2019 18: 15
              0
              and what, glamorous.
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          2. Astra wild
            Astra wild 21 November 2019 18: 12
            -1
            "Google will have to share," and what is bad if they share a little?
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          5. Fuse angel
            Fuse angel 22 November 2019 05: 10
            +5
            And no one bothers you to install the software on your own. You can delete the preinstalled and put your own.
            And about surveillance, it’s a moot point. Are you doing something that you need to hide it? Have you seen these modules? When installing the software, you agree to the user agreement, where you agree to transmit any data about yourself. Nobody spies on you; you flatter yourself.
            1. Edmond dantes
              Edmond dantes 22 November 2019 09: 44
              +1
              Specifically, no, but if you need all the information about you will receive. All your actions on the phone and the Internet are recorded.
              1. English tarantas
                English tarantas 22 November 2019 12: 36
                0
                Even if so, so what. What can you learn about you through your smartphone or laptop? Residence address, name, place of work, who are your parents? For government agencies this is not a secret. And if you can find out what you are about: you buy drugs, merge some kind of information, watch cp, or even a terrorist, then please be kindly illegal and generally immoral. And your photos and contacts are interesting only if you are the same criminal, or a politician digs for you, but let's be clean, who needs you and me.
                1. Edmond dantes
                  Edmond dantes 22 November 2019 14: 29
                  +4
                  So I wrote that if desired. You’ll be surprised, but the same Google records all your operations with the phone and even the voice if you gave out voice commands. And I’ll only be for this info not to flow to the west, but to remain with ours.
                  1. English tarantas
                    English tarantas 22 November 2019 15: 46
                    -1
                    Then I have no complaints.
                    It's just that when they write about surveillance through devices, they say in the context of the fact that we all have a khan, we are under a cap and this is the arbitrariness of the Zhidomassons or the bloody Ptn regime, otherwise it makes sense to write the obvious to all thinking people.
              2. Amin_vivec
                Amin_vivec 23 November 2019 10: 10
                0
                But the fact that Google and the CIA all know about you is normal? The package should include antiviruses, tracking locks.
                1. Edmond dantes
                  Edmond dantes 23 November 2019 16: 45
                  0
                  While the OS is Android or ios, this is not possible. Google (epl) will leave a loophole for collecting information and no one will help.
        3. Sergey1987
          Sergey1987 21 November 2019 16: 01
          +3
          You don’t want to read what is written in the article. In addition, you still poorly understand what software is.
          Quote: Vladimir16
          Where is the competition if everyone MUST install Russian software?

          Even at the beginning of the article it is written some, but not all.
          Quote: Vladimir16
          How are Russian smartphones doing? What museum are they in?

          Smiling what does the Russian smartphone have to do with software?
          Quote: Vladimir16
          Apples and google have created their own programs

          They created operating systems while using software from other companies.
          Quote: Vladimir16
          And here they want to force the iron producers to push the unapproachable.

          At least deal with the issue before delirium. For example, the Russian AlterGeo is designed for use on mobile devices and is available through the free apps for iPhone, Android, Windows Phone and bada.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 21 November 2019 16: 36
            -1
            Quote: Sergey1987
            They created operating systems while using software from other companies.

            Isn't the OS related to software?
            1. Vladimir16
              Vladimir16 21 November 2019 17: 07
              -2
              Quote: Sergey1987
              You don’t want to read what is written in the article. In addition, you still poorly understand what software is.
              Quote: Vladimir16
              Where is the competition if everyone MUST install Russian software?

              Even at the beginning of the article some, but not all, are written.

              Uncle, read it yourself.
              law banning the sale of certain electronic devices without pre-installed Russian software (software)
              ALL manufacturers on these some devices MUST install Russian software.
              Then chew:
              We are talking about the so-called "technically complex goods", which can include smartphones, computers and TVs with Smart TV function

              What do not you understand?
              And explain to me a fool who understands what software is.
              Or can you not? You also understand poorly? wink laughing
              1. Tersky
                Tersky 21 November 2019 17: 57
                +5
                Quote: Vladimir16
                And explain to me a fool who understands what software is.

                Well, since "poorly understanding" why enter into polemics?
                It's simple. For example, it is completely incorrect to call "Photoshop" "an operating system", because it is intended for editing graphic files. It will be a kind of software, but not an OS. In turn, a Windows or Linux distribution can hardly be called anything other than an "operating system". Since its main purpose is computer control. The article deals with the pre-installation of domestic programs in smartphones, computers, and televisions in addition to programs from foreign developers, and no more ... yes Well, if of course you are more impressed by paid software from Google Play, then it certainly ... request

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          2. Voyager
            Voyager 21 November 2019 17: 46
            -2
            Quote: Sergey1987
            Even at the beginning of the article some, but not all, are written.

            In this case, this is all that we all use every day.
            Quote: Sergey1987
            They created operating systems while using software from other companies.

            Only native native software is installed properly, with rare exceptions.
        4. AVA77
          AVA77 21 November 2019 16: 05
          +6
          Vladimir16 (Vladimir)
          And what are you not comfortable with lobbying for Russian interests in Russia. Are you for lobbying in Russia for someone else's interests? (whose)? And what does it mean to cram the unbearable? That the android will fall apart from one preinstalled application written in Russia. request
          1. yang174
            yang174 21 November 2019 16: 16
            +7
            can we start with cars? or just like with certificates for a car? first they were all "killed", then they got a cap and immediately postponed the entry into force.
            can we stop doing it through the anus? for all to issue some directories on Russian software, well, or oblige to sell an alternative to import. One smart with our software, the other with import.
            and so enough clowns, let's annoy even more people
            1. AVA77
              AVA77 21 November 2019 17: 09
              +4
              And where does the car and help for cars come in? Talk is about software. If a company wants to sell its phones on the Russian market and appreciates this market, it must follow the laws of Russia and pre-install our Russian software, which is written by our Russian people who get paid for it denyushka and spend this denyushka in Russia ...
              1. Astra wild
                Astra wild 21 November 2019 17: 35
                -4
                Perhaps I agree with you: you will buy some electronic garbage, and there the instruction is in Russian, but it is immediately clear that it was not Russian.
                A friend bought a Chinese smartphone, and in his program you can figure it out. The service center said: rejoice at what is. Money was not returned. I had to buy abruptly: there is already a well-known program
              2. yang174
                yang174 21 November 2019 18: 23
                +1
                we are talking about the head and about what is in it. but you didn’t understand simple things. cars like for example, the analogy is to transfer everyone to the fret.
                1. AVA77
                  AVA77 21 November 2019 18: 29
                  -5
                  And whoever transplantes you to the fret. It's about pre-installed software from the factory, Yandex, or something else that is crammed into ours, do not like do not use it.
                  1. yang174
                    yang174 21 November 2019 18: 32
                    +7
                    from the category of water from the tap do not like, buy a filter ...
                    presets of our software-inclusion in the cost? or free? bought, everything is installed, do not use, but pay. and pay for new software ..
                    karoch, the dialogue is over, you only eat into it
                    1. Kazbek
                      Kazbek 21 November 2019 18: 53
                      -1
                      Site debilitation has passed the point of no return. Baby, go to the contactee, there are people like you in high esteem.
                      1. yang174
                        yang174 21 November 2019 18: 58
                        -1
                        pff..you at least argue your position, adult ...
                      2. Kazbek
                        Kazbek 21 November 2019 21: 01
                        -1
                        Argument ?? laughing Reread your post - it is the argumentation! In addition to hatred for "our software", you also have hatred for your native language, because only those who hate it can write in their native language!
                      3. yang174
                        yang174 21 November 2019 21: 22
                        -1
                        heal, he invented himself, he believed ....
                        re-read letter by letter what I wrote.
                  2. Roman070280
                    Roman070280 22 November 2019 10: 15
                    -2
                    And who is transplanting you at a fret.It's about preinstalled software from the factory, Yandex, or something else that is crammed into ours, do not like, do not use it.


                    Until yesterday, no one slipped us and the software to us .. and then they wanted to cut money .. So the analogy with the machine is direct ..
              3. Roman070280
                Roman070280 22 November 2019 10: 12
                -1
                If a company wants to sell its phones on the Russian market and appreciates this market, it must follow the laws of Russia and pre-install our Russian software, which is written by our Russian people who get money for it and spend that money in Russia ...



                And if Coca-Cola wants to sell its lemonade on the Russian market, then it must pour in its bottles the puddle from the puddle, which is produced by Russian people who receive a deny for this and spend this deny in Russia ..
                It turns out somehow like that ..
                Stupid, of course .. but you yourself came up with it ..))
          2. Chit
            Chit 21 November 2019 16: 45
            -2
            But this is clearly not about one preinstalled Russian application.
            The question, as far as you can understand, is about equipping all gadgets with Russian applications initially, starting with the OS.
            This sounds, of course, somewhat wild, because we are very familiar with the quantity and quality of Russian applications. It’s generally better to keep silent about Russian OS.
            1. AVA77
              AVA77 21 November 2019 17: 14
              -1
              Do not talk nonsense, we are talking about pre-installed applications and not about changing the axis
              1. TOPchymBA
                TOPchymBA 21 November 2019 19: 23
                +2
                You talk nonsense dear. Because you have bad formal logic. The concept of software is broader and includes such concepts as application software, operating system, drivers, etc. In what is written, the concept of software is used and it is not for you to interpret it for this there are competent authorities.
                This law is not proposed by smart people or those interested. I have enough garbage on the phone from the phone manufacturer and the OS manufacturer now they want to add garbage from domestic manufacturers.
                1. AVA77
                  AVA77 21 November 2019 19: 37
                  -1
                  How can I interpret the concept of software, I will decide for myself, without your help.
                  And you are probably more comfortable with imported garbage. That is, let our developers lick their paw, I’d better feed the overseas, because I was tortured to clean the trash on the phone. Oh well hi Good luck.
                  1. Roman070280
                    Roman070280 22 November 2019 10: 19
                    -1
                    That is, let our developers lick their paw, I'd rather feed


                    That's right .. let's also ban Mercedes ... Nefig feed the burghers, while AvtoVAZ developers lick their paws ..

                    PS .. it seems like they studied in some schools, some institutes graduated .. in one country .. But where such people come from is not clear ..))
            2. Astra wild
              Astra wild 21 November 2019 18: 10
              0
              Let me live until July 1, and then we'll see what will happen
            3. Edmond dantes
              Edmond dantes 22 November 2019 09: 50
              +1
              This is what is Russian in (not os) low quality?
          3. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 21 November 2019 17: 20
            +4
            Quote: AVA77
            That the android will fall apart from one preinstalled application written in Russia.

            it’s falling apart, but you’ll have to pay for the installation. And tell me, without which Russian application will the user die? While they put Google on abroad, our government wants to push garbage into the devices. I’m so mercilessly fighting the Yandex browser, which shove everywhere
            1. AVA77
              AVA77 21 November 2019 17: 41
              +1
              You won’t believe it, but I hate Google and fight it mercilessly on my devices. And tell me, without which Google application the user will die? If they can’t make their own phone in Russia, they can write good software. And it needs to be promoted and I don’t care what they think about it in Google. (Remember how the Americans fought Kaspersky, they didn’t give a damn either)
            2. Kazbek
              Kazbek 21 November 2019 18: 56
              -3
              A terrible "fight" with Yandex is to point your finger at the screen and press the "delete" button! Yeah, myinkampf is resting compared to "your fight"!
              1. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 22 November 2019 18: 32
                0
                Quote: Kazbek
                The terrible "fight" with Yandex is to point your finger at the screen and press the "delete" button!

                I’m talking about the desktop now. Yandex is creeping along with many programs. And I have enough chrome
          4. Voyager
            Voyager 21 November 2019 17: 48
            +6
            Quote: AVA77
            And what are you not comfortable with lobbying for Russian interests in Russia. Are you for lobbying in Russia for someone else's interests? (whose)? And what does it mean to cram the unbearable? That the android will fall apart from one preinstalled application written in Russia.

            I will explain. Personally, I’m not happy with the fact that all these initiatives are not only ineffective (now it causes massive anger among young people who will remove Russian software to the maximum from the principle, as well, as usual, our wallets will be made at our expense) .
            1. AVA77
              AVA77 21 November 2019 18: 01
              -2
              You know, your comment is very similar to baby talk. You suggest you do nothing. Do not develop your software because young people will delete it. (Are you serious?) Well, let them remove at least some kind of charging for the brain. And those who pay denyushki supplies devices to our market.
              1. Voyager
                Voyager 21 November 2019 18: 15
                +6
                But your comment is like a blatant lie. I didn’t offer to do anything, and even more so I didn’t say not to develop my software. I said that the method of forced imposition creates the opposite effect. To use domestic software, you must first make this software good. They already use good ones, be it Yandex cards or banking applications. So they try to push through the unpopular crap.

                Quote: AVA77
                And those who supply devices to our market will pay denyushki.

                Well, well, just like the VAT raised to 20%, allegedly at the expense of those who supply, yeah. But in fact, prices have increased just for the end user, just as it was with Mikhalkovsky 1%, as was the case with the abolition of incoming fees, with the cancellation of roaming, allegedly without increasing the cost, it will be the same; As with the purchase of equipment from Internet providers for the new standards of "security", it was also done in the end at the expense of users, so it was and will be with everything else.
                1. AVA77
                  AVA77 21 November 2019 18: 43
                  -1
                  You haven’t even seen this unpopular crap yet, but you’re already starting to judge it. Your VAT figures do not have any relation whatsoever to the topic of the article, but only an attempt to get the topic out of the way. First you can’t make the software 100% good; At the expense of forced imposition, do not want not to use, only use others
                  do not bother.
                  1. Voyager
                    Voyager 21 November 2019 21: 49
                    +1
                    Yes, I got excited with VAT, but you modestly kept silent about the rest.
                    Quote: AVA77
                    You haven’t even seen this unpopular crap, but you’re already trying to judge it.

                    This is the result of healthy logic. I repeat once again, good applications have no problems with popularity, they are used only this way. If you need to push something, it means it works poorly or simply is not necessary.
                    Quote: AVA77
                    At the expense of forced imposition, do not want not to use, only use others
                    do not bother.

                    Now answer me two questions:
                    - What prevents to do and bring high-quality software as early as 10 years since the formation of mobile OS and their application stores?
                    - Who and how prevents others from using these applications?
                    1. AVA77
                      AVA77 21 November 2019 22: 17
                      0
                      Voyager (Andrey)
                      This is the result of healthy logic. I repeat once again, good applications have no problems with popularity, they are used only this way. If you need to push something, it means it works poorly or simply is not necessary.

                      It is clear. Following your HEALTHY logic, the end of the development of Civilization has come and progress has stopped! Everything has already been invented and invented and people can only use what is already there.
                      But those who think that everything has already been invented and invented hinder development, they don’t do it and don’t give it to others, because they already have everything hi
                  2. Roman070280
                    Roman070280 22 November 2019 10: 30
                    -3
                    At the expense of violent imposition, do not want to not use,only use others
                    do not bother.


                    Who's stopping you ?? What are you making noise here ..
                    Calm down, and go put on your phone whatever you like .. no one will twist his hands ..
                    Stupidities only write tie ..))
                    1. AVA77
                      AVA77 22 November 2019 13: 23
                      +1
                      I didn’t drink vodka and didn’t baptize children, I don’t have to Poke.
                      1. Roman070280
                        Roman070280 22 November 2019 15: 06
                        -3
                        Nobody pours you vodka here .. and with whom you drink it - this does not apply to the topic .. And they are not going to feed you either here ..
                        Kohl, in essence, there is nothing to answer - it would have been silent better.
              2. yang174
                yang174 21 November 2019 18: 27
                0
                What kind of market is it like? don't? let out the right and interesting, they’ll buy everything, but you offer to install it from the beginning .. what?
                Casper doesn’t need advertising with us, I called them for the fever-adequacy and help -100% received. A necessary thing and quite competitive.
              3. Kazbek
                Kazbek 21 November 2019 18: 57
                -1
                He does not look like he is.
              4. hohkn
                hohkn 22 November 2019 13: 03
                +3
                Quote: AVA77
                You suggest that you do nothing. Do not develop your own software because young people will remove it.

                So let them work out for health. Just let them develop so that they would like to buy it. Let it be competitive, and not the same as it is now.
                Do you personally buy the same computer or laptop with the pre-installed Russian (aha-aha) Astra Linux operating system? With the pre-installed Russian (aga-aga) Libre Office?
                I already wore this Astra so that I don’t want to look at it, but I have to. And on my home computer, she didn’t rest against my belly at all.
                And for that matter, then Astra Linux cannot be considered a Russian operating system. This is Debian in girlhood, if that.
                1. Pilat2009
                  Pilat2009 22 November 2019 18: 39
                  -1
                  Quote: hohkn
                  Do you personally buy the same computer or laptop with the pre-installed Russian (aha-aha) Astra Linux operating system?

                  And apparently it’s necessary. Now they sell laptops either from dos or from Vidovs. After the adoption of the law, they can oblige us to put our crap, which nobody needs, because you will find horseradish drivers and software for it. I’m not talking about games. ...
                  1. hohkn
                    hohkn 23 November 2019 11: 41
                    +1
                    Quote: Pilat2009
                    Now they sell laptops either with dos or with Vidovs.

                    Well, while there is still an opportunity to buy "empty" devices. No OSes. I hope that the sale of "empty" ones will not be prohibited ... hi
                    1. Pilat2009
                      Pilat2009 23 November 2019 12: 14
                      0
                      Quote: hohkn
                      I hope that selling empty ones will not be prohibited.

                      in fact, few people need an empty laptop because it’s still a joy to search for drivers, + the manufacturer sometimes shamanizes that you can’t install without a tambourine
                      1. hohkn
                        hohkn 23 November 2019 16: 22
                        0
                        We'll have to "dance with a tambourine." The same Astra is still so and so to demolish, because it is impossible to work under it, and the software for Linux still leaves much to be desired.
            2. Aleksandre
              Aleksandre 21 November 2019 18: 19
              0
              Quote: Voyager
              I will explain. Personally, I’m not happy with the fact that all these initiatives are not only ineffective (now it causes massive anger among young people who will remove Russian software to the maximum from the principle, as well, as usual, our wallets will be made at our expense) .

              Oh, yes, just anger ...) 99% does not matter at all what is there, google maps or Yandex maps, for example, just to work. Those that are more stupid will be removed from the principle "to spite my mother, I will frostbite my ears", those that are smarter, from the principle "I will still set everything up the way I need it."
              And this will end the seething.
          5. frog
            frog 21 November 2019 18: 01
            +3
            In addition, I personally know little about normal Russian software that works correctly with correct service support ... Very few. Also, is the operating system a software? If yes, tady oh ...., we won't have "technically complex goods", because there is simply no domestic one. There was a lot of screeching about the miracle being created in Sarov. Essno, except for screeching - nothing. I am definitely not against everything Russian, from cognac to Kalash ..... But life experience suggests that this case (lobbying) will be simple feel Not to mention the fact that some of the manufacturers of Russian software simply do not make radishes, they simply mold nameplates that the products are tested and safe.
            1. AVA77
              AVA77 21 November 2019 18: 23
              +1
              What Russian software are you talking about? About that which will be preinstalled? So you have not seen it yet, but already judge it. You suggest not to develop your software, well then it will not be. OS is also software. But you cannot force Google to abandon android. Under your The OS can only be done, or you can buy a smartphone.
              1. frog
                frog 21 November 2019 21: 06
                +3
                Of course, I did not see him. Since in general I haven’t seen a lot of domestic software (recent years) intended for, sorry, the general public and competitive. Although the concept of competition in these matters causes ...... in general, causes.
                I do not propose to score anything domestic, here you went a little too far)) But what’s the thing, where are the wondrous successes of anything, what did the treasury turn a favorable eye to? I just have some suspicions (God forbid, baseless) that all this will be another zilch. We have so many that it’s time to declare first place in this category.
              2. Roman070280
                Roman070280 22 November 2019 10: 32
                -2
                So you have not seen him yet, but judge him already.

                Well, you definitely saw him .. since you’re already protecting yourself like that ..))
                1. AVA77
                  AVA77 22 November 2019 13: 24
                  +1
                  I didn’t drink vodka and didn’t baptize children, I don’t have to Poke.
                  1. Roman070280
                    Roman070280 22 November 2019 15: 07
                    -4
                    Yes, what’s the matter to me, with whom you thump there, and who feeds you ..
                    Here the conversation was about another ..
                    1. AVA77
                      AVA77 22 November 2019 16: 18
                      +2
                      Turning YOU to a stranger is a sign of ignorance and limited mind.
                      1. Roman070280
                        Roman070280 25 November 2019 09: 30
                        -1
                        Did you come up with this yourself, or did someone suggest ??)
                        I would be smarter, I would have known for a long time that there is no division on the Internet for you / you ..
                        Although, you, in fact, just get off the topic .. After all, in essence, you can not say anything .. so you post stupid pictures here .. you can immediately see that from the "big mind" ..))
        5. Gray brother
          Gray brother 21 November 2019 19: 36
          +2
          Quote: Vladimir16
          Apples and Google created their own programs, and then

          And then people began to get root rights and started to cut them)))
          Quote: Vladimir16
          And here they want to force the iron producers to push the unapproachable.

          No one bothers to write programs for the same Andrew and the manufacturers of iron to this in general no side.
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        9. English tarantas
          English tarantas 22 November 2019 12: 42
          -1
          the adoption of this law is lobbying the interests of Russian manufacturers to the detriment of everyone else.

          Are you worried about Google’s well-being?
          Why lobbying is the support of a domestic producer, if they are not in demand even in the domestic market, then the state is obliged to create it. If anything, now in my smartphone a lot of pre-installed garbage, and it’s not scary, one application more, one less, and if they become domestic it + taxes, which is good.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 21 November 2019 15: 45
        +2
        Quote: Shkworen
        only without Google services, the demand for this "android" will be small

        frankly, there will be no demand
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 21 November 2019 19: 44
          +1
          Quote: Silvestr
          frankly, there will be no demand

          Yes, in addition to the market, nothing is needed there, in fact.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 21 November 2019 19: 52
            -3
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Yes, in addition to the market, nothing is needed there, in fact.

            Yes, but from the market you put what you need.
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 21 November 2019 20: 03
              +1
              Quote: Silvestr
              Yes, but from the market you put what you need.

              You can also find apk if necessary, I do it on the work pipe - there the Andrew with Google applications is so fat that there is not enough memory to download from the market.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 21 November 2019 20: 07
                -2
                Quote: Gray Brother
                and apk find

                possible, the more skilled craftsmen offer advanced options
      3. Aleksandre
        Aleksandre 21 November 2019 17: 45
        +1
        There are many analogues to replace Google services in android, and many users just carefully pick out spy Google software, or install custom firmware. However, the removal of Google services also makes considerable sense in terms of the autonomy of the smartphone, because they drain the battery so that questions arise about the capacity of the programmers who wrote them.
      4. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 21 November 2019 23: 39
        0
        Quote: Shkworen
        only without Google services, the demand for this "android" will be small :)

        The only service I use is the play market. Do we have analogues of Google services?
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 21 November 2019 15: 14
      +12
      Stepan, only in dreams, because we can’t financially compete with Google. We simply do not have the money that this software giant spends on creating new versions of the robot. ...
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    4. Civil
      Civil 21 November 2019 15: 19
      +1
      Well, there are normal programs, such as radar detectors or pedometers.
      1. Leshy1975
        Leshy1975 21 November 2019 15: 37
        +12
        Quote: Civil
        Well, there are normal programs, such as radar detectors or pedometers.

        Well, yes, that's just the same pedometer, personally to me, and most of them, I think, are not needed at all. Just to occupy the memory. If there is something normal Russian, I myself will gladly put it on. Just do it first, and I will compare and choose. hi

        PS From the Russian I use: Kasperych, 1C, Yandex, conditionally Russian Telegrams. I myself am able to choose what I need, if only there was a choice. hi
        1. reservist
          reservist 21 November 2019 16: 29
          +3
          Quote: Leshy1975
          From the Russian I use: Kasperych, 1C, Yandex, conditionally Russian Telegrams. ...

          Well, Yandex also seems not to be registered with us ...
          In addition to Yandex and Telegram on smart, there were: Mail.ru, GisMeteo, TV program, TuTu.ru, Russian Planet / w4bsitXNUMX-dns.com / Habr, Lingvo, Odnoklassniki, Poster, Kadastr.ru, Consultant, MosEnergoSbyt, GosUslugi / Taxes / FSPP / KoA / RF, etc., other software from our providers / flea markets / stores / cinema / cafes / airports / banks and utilities ...
          but without fail, I would limit myself to State Services, and for the rest it would be better to have some kind of "guide" describing what it is and why it is needed at all, so as not to waste time searching in PlayMarket, if you suddenly need it ...
        2. Kazbek
          Kazbek 21 November 2019 19: 06
          +2
          If there is something normal Russian, I myself will gladly put it on.


          Listen, you buy your bucket phone with a bunch of unnecessary rams by default! Why aren't you ignited by righteous anger towards the manufacturers that force you to buy this garbage? Or righteous anger only to RossPO? I’m not talking about the Chinese trash that most juvenile ..beats own - there is a crooked bucket and applications from Chinese geniuses car!

          What is the difference to you all that will be installed there?
          1. Leshy1975
            Leshy1975 21 November 2019 19: 17
            +7
            Quote: Kazbek
            If there is something normal Russian, I myself will gladly put it on.


            What is the difference to you all that will be installed there?

            Listen, you buy your bucket phone with a bunch of unnecessary rams by default! Why aren't you ignited by righteous anger towards the manufacturers that force you to buy this garbage?

            Because right now there is a choice which one to choose. Do you want Chinese, do you want Google or something else. And no one limits me in my choice.
            Those. You think that now I will have to buy with even a lot of unnecessary, as I wrote there. And will it be better?
            What is the difference to you all that will be installed there?

            Well, if my gadget and I buy it, then I have a difference what exactly I buy. It’s just that they don’t look at a gifted horse in the mouth. hi
            1. Kazbek
              Kazbek 21 November 2019 21: 09
              -1
              How can the presence of certain applications on the device affect your choice and even more so spoil your mood? laughing I really don't understand! The presence of three or four icons that can be hidden so that later and if desired, it will not be found, given the existing memory capacity, how can they "spoil" the Galaxy Note 10+ or ​​Honor 20, not to mention the 11Pro? What is Yaroslavna's Lament about?
            2. Gray brother
              Gray brother 21 November 2019 21: 10
              0
              Quote: Leshy1975
              Because right now there is a choice which one to choose

              That's why I look everywhere Google services are forcibly messed up, and there is no choice.
          2. Roman070280
            Roman070280 22 November 2019 10: 40
            -1
            Listen, you buy your bucket phone with a bunch of unnecessary rams by default! Why aren't you ignited by righteous anger towards the manufacturers that force you to buy this garbage? ...... I'm not talking about the Chinese trash that most juvenile ..bills own, - there is a crooked bucket and applications from the Chinese geniuses car!


            If before writing, you thought .. then you wouldn’t ask stupid questions ..
            No one forbids our craftsmen to poke their Russian trash into their yotafon .. and distribute it among young beats ..
            Only figley poke their nose, where do not ??
            Make your own Zhiguli .. and put any wheels there .. any display .. But no .. you need to take someone else's Boomer .. will be indignant that everything is imported .. after declaring that this Boomer has a lot of unnecessary trash .. and instead of chairs with electric adjustments to oblige to put seats from Zhiguli .. And we also need to "support" the domestic manufacturer of lighting equipment .. and instead of imported xenon, to oblige to put Chubais bulbs there ..
            1. Kazbek
              Kazbek 22 November 2019 18: 14
              -1
              If before you write, you thought


              Mutually. Samsung is Korea (Xiaomi is China, etc.). Google is the United States. Manufacturers of pre-installed software - the whole world. Now Russia will be added.
              So you're raving here.
              1. Roman070280
                Roman070280 25 November 2019 09: 38
                0
                Well, I warned you - "If, before writing, you thought" .. And you ..))
                Let's try again on the fingers ..
                The Boomer manufacturer can order xenon from any optics manufacturer that they like .. can enter into a contract for Recaro seats or Shell oils .. it's his business .. and his right .. Fershtein ??
                And you can do the same with your Lada ..
                But when you take Boomer .. and oblige him to put his components inside ..
                It’s somehow not at all the same ..
    5. Svarog
      Svarog 21 November 2019 15: 20
      +3
      Quote: Piramidon
      Is there a Russian analogue of the same "Android"?

      This is the question, in fact, the initiative is good, to support domestic IT companies, but the product should be at the level, and better, than that of a western manufacturer ..
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 21 November 2019 15: 33
        +17
        Quote: Svarog
        a good initiative to support domestic IT companies

        "Yandex" company is not particularly Russian, and at the same time much more impudent and intrusive than "Google"
        And this, if I may say so, "initiative" is in the interests of Yandex.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 21 November 2019 15: 37
          +5
          Quote: Spade
          "Yandex" company is not particularly Russian, and at the same time much more impudent and intrusive than "Google"

          That is what it is .. we have Russian companies in their pure form did not remain at all .. The same auto giants, all half belong to the west ..
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 21 November 2019 15: 50
          -1
          Quote: Spade
          And this, if I may say so, "initiative" is in the interests of Yandex.

          and what's the catch? Everything from Yandex can now be easily installed on both Android and Apple. Many people don't need preinstalled programs. I guess this is our answer

          They said that if such a law was adopted, they would completely leave our market. So that. politics again request
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 21 November 2019 16: 03
            +2
            Quote: Silvestr
            From "Yandex" now everything can be easily installed on Android

            Exactly.
            But it seems that this is not enough for them.

            Quote: Silvestr
            They said that if such a law was adopted, they would completely leave our market.

            But they didn’t promise to give money to the poor?
          2. faridg7
            faridg7 21 November 2019 16: 35
            -2
            Quote: Silvestr
            They said that if such a law was adopted, they would completely leave our market.

            But can such a moment be missed? This heresy with software needs to be accepted only for this. even though loans for this nonsense will cease to be taken.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 21 November 2019 16: 39
              0
              Quote: faridg7
              even though loans for this nonsense will cease to be taken.

              Are there no smartphones without them? Nerds - Apple fanatics, nothing can stop, but simple is on the drum
          3. Kazbek
            Kazbek 21 November 2019 19: 11
            0
            They said that if such a law was adopted, they would completely leave our market.


            July 2020. All iphones come out with pre-installation software. Theme of a devoured egg is not worth it.
    6. New Year day
      New Year day 21 November 2019 15: 44
      +3
      Quote: Piramidon
      Is there a Russian analogue of the same "Android"?

      there is "Chubaisoid"
    7. skif8013
      skif8013 21 November 2019 16: 14
      +1
      Quote: Piramidon
      Is there a Russian analogue of the same "Android"?

      And these DIBILS who came up with this law do not give a damn about it. They don’t have anything close to us on the drum. These figures who create such bills need to be dealt with, as an option to dig trenches, there will be more sense.
      1. Kazbek
        Kazbek 21 November 2019 19: 14
        +1
        And you "DIBILAM" cannot even grasp the essence of what is written and said. And you cannot understand the difference between OS and software! But jumping on rallies and stinking in chats - you are in the forefront! The generation of oligophrenics has grown up!
    8. Kazbek
      Kazbek 21 November 2019 18: 43
      +1
      This is about applications, not operating systems. But you don’t care! Just to blurt out!
      1. skif8013
        skif8013 21 November 2019 23: 20
        -2
        I just understand what I mean. This is stupidly lobbying for the interests of one company which has practically no quality product at the same time !!! They will impose it on us practically by force (that is, without asking us) !!!
      2. Avior
        Avior 22 November 2019 01: 42
        -4
        Oh, the difference has come between software and applications, got better.
        Au, Kazbek, third-party applications were not banned, but software that included all programs, from drivers and OS to applications.
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        2. Something
          Something 22 November 2019 17: 59
          +5
          The State Duma adopted in the third, final reading the State Duma adopted in the third, final reading a law banning the sale of certain electronic devices without pre-installed Russian software.



          Avior! Read carefully and understand the meaning. No one prohibits the possibility of installing imported software and Russian software on some devices, but Russian should be mandatory so as not to violate the rights of some citizens of Russia - the rights of consumers. And where is the ban on imported software here? There is no ban. Use whatever you want. But they will sell with imported software at the same time Russian, for different users. It is forbidden to sell without Russian software and only some electronic devices. Read carefully and do not write nonsense.
    9. mark2
      mark2 21 November 2019 19: 06
      +2
      ... And there is a Russian analogue of the same "Android


      Not yet, but we are hoping for you.
    10. Gray brother
      Gray brother 21 November 2019 19: 26
      +4
      Quote: Piramidon
      Is there a Russian analogue of the same "Android"?

      Nothing is said about the OS, but the software is different.
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    12. Alexander Petrov1
      Alexander Petrov1 21 November 2019 21: 29
      -1
      It is necessary that our systems such as Astra Linux OS and our applications should be in the base, and if someone wants an additional foreign Windows or something else for a surcharge, then we will support our market for a billion dollars and protect it from sanctions ...
    13. Nadrub
      Nadrub 21 November 2019 22: 10
      0
      Yes ... wooden abacus :)
    14. Amin_vivec
      Amin_vivec 23 November 2019 10: 05
      0
      Why immediately replace the OS? maybe just an initial application package.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 21 November 2019 15: 11
    +2
    Now a very large volume of sales in this segment goes to Ali. How about this? Will the Chinese dance to our tune?
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 21 November 2019 15: 51
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      let the Chinese dance to our tune?

      that's the pipes! You can’t do anything with them, and from what hangover do the Chinese need it?
      1. AVA77
        AVA77 21 November 2019 20: 18
        +3
        If the law comes out in Russia that the EEPRST program should be installed on all smartphones from 2020 and the Chinese will not snatch it, then they will write it. laughing This generally does not care what to put the main thing to sell. It will be necessary.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 21 November 2019 20: 21
          -1
          Quote: AVA77
          the Chinese will not sop it, then they will write it

          Will they install spices on smartphones sold in Russia? Ware up. And then, gray phones and our programs, it makes no sense. Officials, yes.
          1. AVA77
            AVA77 21 November 2019 20: 36
            +2
            Yes, I agree. I just meant that there would be no problems with the Chinese. They do not care at all.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 21 November 2019 21: 02
              0
              Quote: AVA77
              They don’t care at all.

              Very true word
          2. Amin_vivec
            Amin_vivec 23 November 2019 21: 21
            0
            Russify for the Russian market, do not bother, and upload 3 extra programs - suddenly, and a problem.
            I admit that it is simple, the first time you connect, it will automatically download the desired content.
            And they will always be informal.
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 21 November 2019 15: 12
    -1
    And why are some and not all that is being done outside the borders of Russia?
    1. ochakow703
      ochakow703 21 November 2019 15: 51
      +3
      Well, why? Diman will definitely not take the gadget in his hands with Russian software. Therefore, and "for some".
      PySy It's like seeing him in a Lada !!! fellow
  4. paul3390
    paul3390 21 November 2019 15: 13
    +9
    I wonder how they will make the same Chinese do it. But in general - another crap from loafers - whoever needs it, they will put everything they need themselves.
    1. Kazbek
      Kazbek 21 November 2019 19: 16
      +3
      Strange huh? How to make? Already forced. By the law. Listen, children, why do you hate your country and everything connected with it so much?
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 21 November 2019 19: 21
        +3
        Yes, we, kid, we do not hate the country, but those hoops that in it moronic laws are piling up in piles ..
  5. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 21 November 2019 15: 13
    +6
    But what about our "second father". Or is our software already installed on the iPhone ?! belay
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 21 November 2019 15: 54
      +2
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      But what about our "second father". Or is our software already installed on the iPhone ?!

      he has enough games
      laughing
  6. Same lech
    Same lech 21 November 2019 15: 13
    +7
    But the FSB gave the go-ahead? ... and have all the preparatory measures been done? ... are suppliers and manufacturers ready for the new laws of the State Duma ... but are our consumers and buyers ready for this? ... but what are the consequences of the adoption of this law? describe? ... and many more different questions on this subject to the State Duma.
    1. asv96
      asv96 21 November 2019 15: 20
      +4
      We have Yandex, so it will shove all its programs into the phone, which is not clear then
      1. Kazbek
        Kazbek 21 November 2019 19: 17
        -4
        What's the problem? Does this upset you? Contact a specialist.
        1. Fikys
          Fikys 22 November 2019 11: 45
          -1
          The problem is that I do not like to pay money for what I do not need. Learn to write good, convenient, necessary software users, and people will buy it. And to force everyone into it ... it ... - full game! Personally, I don’t need extra garbage in smart, and I don’t want to waste my time removing it, not to mention the fact that I don’t want to pay for it.
      2. vadimtt
        vadimtt 21 November 2019 22: 18
        +1
        Yandex is better than the playful sweaty little handles of mail.ru laughing
    2. Sergey39
      Sergey39 21 November 2019 15: 23
      -3
      The answer to all these questions is most likely negative. This law is just for show. Will not work.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 21 November 2019 15: 34
        +1
        Quote: Sergey39
        Will not work.

        Unfortunately, there will be.
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 21 November 2019 17: 51
          -1
          Wouldn’t it be easier to pay a penny?
        2. Kazbek
          Kazbek 21 November 2019 19: 18
          0
          What is your personal regret?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 21 November 2019 20: 43
            0
            The fact that the number of unnecessary programs installed in the phone-smartphone by default will greatly increase.
      2. anjey anjey
        anjey anjey 21 November 2019 17: 05
        0
        They shove Yandex, Mile.ru, VK and Cross-Eyes, and even so that without flashing it will not be erased .... In short, there will be that trash and waste. And most likely the sales of such gadgets will fall dramatically. But a holy place does not happen empty - so we are waiting for a normal double bass.
        1. Fikys
          Fikys 22 November 2019 11: 51
          0
          Quote: anjey anjey
          so we are waiting for a normal double bass.

          The trouble is that double bass on the background of such tricks will inevitably rise in price. That’s why no matter what the new law is, a blow to the pocket of one’s own citizens ?! The question, of course, is rhetorical;)
      3. Astra wild
        Astra wild 22 November 2019 09: 08
        +1
        We will live and see
  7. Antidote
    Antidote 21 November 2019 15: 15
    +14
    to save users from having to install additional applications.

    How caring. And can the user decide what he needs?
  8. Leshy1975
    Leshy1975 21 November 2019 15: 16
    +7
    Well, let then they put Telegram right from the Russian one. laughing I use a normal messenger, but on the contrary I do not use Facebook. In general, another stupidity, not a law. If the program is normal, as for example 1C or Kasperich, then everyone needs it and there are no problems. And without fail they shove the crooked-oblique in there, just to comply with the law, then reinstall.
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 21 November 2019 22: 19
      -1
      Is 1C normal? This is a strong exaggeration. laughing
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 21 November 2019 23: 03
        +2
        Quote: vadimtt
        Is 1C normal?

        If the administrator fumbles and the programmer of the application doesn’t register in one place, then it’s normal. It is individually configured for each company.
  9. dgonni
    dgonni 21 November 2019 15: 17
    +16
    Tin! Purely lobbyist law. Well, the guys paid have a profit.
    1. Kazbek
      Kazbek 21 November 2019 19: 19
      -2
      And what's wrong with that? Or are you only happy about lobbying for Gugel’s interests?
  10. Proton
    Proton 21 November 2019 15: 18
    +20
    They need to take pills in the Duma, and they make laws wassat
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 21 November 2019 15: 23
      +6
      They need to be replaced with brains and not pay a salary of 400000 rubles ... finally rolled back their cant in feature films ... now I can even watch Shtirlitsa without retouching.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 21 November 2019 15: 57
      +12
      Quote: Proton
      They need to take pills in the Duma, and they make laws

  11. UserGun
    UserGun 21 November 2019 15: 19
    +10
    Well, this is no longer news. All this "boom" (Yandex search, Yandex browser and some other garbage) was preinstalled on my smart Asus, which, in fact, very rarely someone needed it two years ago))) The most interesting thing is that on the w4bsitXNUMX-dns.com forum, the first thing the new owner of this device uprooted Russian (for the sake of objectivity and not only Russian) pre-installed software shares))) Well, users do not like this garbage, why screw it up anally? After all, all the same, they will not use it all as one, in a single rush laughing Most likely, the opposite, in every way to get rid of it.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 21 November 2019 15: 37
      +4
      Quote: UserGun
      First of all, the new owner of this device uprooted the Russians (for the sake of objectivity and not only the Russians) pre-installed software shares)))

      Moreover, such uprooting for the average user is not available.
      1. UserGun
        UserGun 21 November 2019 16: 38
        +4
        Well, completely uproot, yes, with root rights. And so, it disconnects from the system for one, two, three or less overhanging way.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 21 November 2019 16: 40
          0
          Quote: UserGun
          Well, completely uproot, yes, with root rights.

          That is, through dancing with tambourines and at your own peril and risk.
          1. Kazbek
            Kazbek 21 November 2019 19: 26
            0
            Delete the program from the computer - is it dancing with tambourines ??? Yes you absolutely went, kids !!! ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 21 November 2019 20: 41
              0
              Quote: Kazbek
              Uninstall a program from a computer

              Uh ... You absolutely do not understand what this is about. What the hell is "computer" ???


              Quote: Kazbek
              Yes you absolutely went, kids !!! ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

              Maybe let's go. Delete the Google keyboard from your phone, then tell the result.
              On devices under "android" there are a bunch of unnecessary programs that, in principle, cannot be removed and which regularly update themselves
              1. Kazbek
                Kazbek 21 November 2019 20: 57
                -5
                Where is your righteous anger at the people who uploaded this rubbish there? Why is it only in relation to our software? And yes, I don’t use a bucket. I'm on the other side. There, uninstalling programs does not cause problems and takes 1,85 seconds.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 21 November 2019 20: 58
                  -1
                  Quote: Kazbek
                  Where is your righteous anger at the people who uploaded this rubbish there? Why is it only in relation to our software?

                  I should not be angry that this garbage will be twice as much?
                  Google from "Android" will not delete anything.
          2. UserGun
            UserGun 22 November 2019 23: 26
            -1
            Uprooting completely, as I put it, is completely erasing all application files from the system. Starting with android 6, if my memory serves me right, this can only be done with root rights, because this software is registered in the partition where exclusive rights are needed. In principle, if you do not bother with too much space, you can do without a simple shutdown. as mentioned above, which many do. So simply disconnecting the application from the dancing system with a tambourine does not even imply. In any case, the stupid imposition of native and condo software does not give honor to the State Duma, but the accusations justified in stupidity and nearness, in this case quite justified, only add.
    2. Kazbek
      Kazbek 21 November 2019 19: 25
      +2
      You know, I’m constantly deleting programs like Avast or MacAfee from all new devices like laptop. And I put my own Casper. Do I also go to cry now, where is the thread in the chat? Do not like it - delete. If they do this, then someone needs it. This is money, this is jobs, this is market protection. This is done in all countries, and only in our puny homosexual-like teenagers does this cause constipation or diarrhea. They will continue to go on herring for new buckets and iPhones, and the fuck that they will be installed !!!
      1. vadimtt
        vadimtt 21 November 2019 22: 31
        +2
        Antiviruses are even more evil than viruses, but ordinary users cannot do without them, alas. And yes, Casper is still ours, so Doctor Web at least.
        The smartest, perhaps, Tsiskovsky antivirus Immunet. It is, of course, buggy and skips a lot of harmful code, but it does it quickly bully
  12. Esaul
    Esaul 21 November 2019 15: 26
    +7
    Stupidity then what next! The user must decide what to put on your phone. And they will put Russian software and then some thread the FSB major will read all your correspondence
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 21 November 2019 15: 34
      -2
      And so will the CIA special agent or a Chinese intelligence officer read it .. laughing
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 21 November 2019 15: 59
        +4
        Quote: paul3390
        And so will the CIA special agent or a Chinese intelligence officer read it ..

        Are you interested in China? Or are you a bearer of state interests and interesting to the CIA?
      2. UserGun
        UserGun 21 November 2019 16: 35
        +9
        Quote: paul3390
        And so will the CIA special agent or a Chinese intelligence officer read it ..


        Yes, let it be taken into account on MY device! Especially let them learn topwar.ru laughing From their "native" FSB, judging by the cases brought against its employees, with billions in apartments, and their Soviet mentality, with all that it implies, there is a much greater danger.
      3. Elephant
        Elephant 21 November 2019 16: 49
        +3
        Quote: paul3390
        And so will the CIA special agent or a Chinese intelligence officer read it.

        But it is not interesting for the zrushniks and the Chinese, for example, to know where our citizens hide money for a rainy day. But to individual domestic mafeses in uniform and their friendships it is sooo interesting!
      4. Стена
        Стена 21 November 2019 18: 09
        +4
        the agent will not suit the CIA, but the major - the real term will sew
    2. Andrei Gurov
      Andrei Gurov 21 November 2019 15: 37
      +3
      This is the whole trick, and if the major does not like something in your correspondence, the self-destruction function of the device is turned on.
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 21 November 2019 15: 38
      +5
      Yesaul, for a start, name a purely Russian software for a smartphone, with the same functionality as a robot! There is no such! Then the whole dispute of pure water is populism and the self-PR of our totupeds. ...
    4. Same lech
      Same lech 21 November 2019 15: 38
      -1
      and then some thread the FSB major will read all your correspondence

      It’s all right to read, but what if he wants Cherkalin to improve his financial situation ... fill his hut there with dollars or rubles for the worst (and this is such a sweet feeder) ... there is no reliability in the world ... FSB officers also train such numbers .. . even stay at least fall.
    5. Amateur
      Amateur 21 November 2019 17: 24
      -3
      then some thread major FSB

      Are you sure you are able to write something that will interest the whole FSB major? Or do you prefer an NSA sergeant or an ordinary PLA?
    6. Zusul
      Zusul 22 November 2019 02: 18
      -2
      Quote: Esaul
      Stupidity then what next! The user must decide what to put on your phone. And they will put Russian software and then some thread the FSB major will read all your correspondence


      Dumbness is to think like an infusoria ... You open your smartphone. How many percent of applications installed of your choice are there? At least half is there? And in new smarts 90% of the predefined fact that no one needs nafik.
      Where is the howl, where are the screams about the Google stupidity and the agent of the fbi reading your correspondence?
  13. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 21 November 2019 15: 34
    0
    The law adopted by the State Duma obliges to preinstall Russian software before selling it to certain types of electronic devices.
    Russian software or Russified, i.e. in Russian? it’s not the same thing at all
  14. Saboteur Holuy
    Saboteur Holuy 21 November 2019 15: 37
    -2
    One thing, but we have the best IT people working for Western companies ....
  15. Freemason Mason
    Freemason Mason 21 November 2019 15: 45
    +6
    How much I like our approach: we cannot create normal, competitive applications - well, let's force them into users' devices. I wonder how Apple will react to such an initiative? After all, they fundamentally do not pre-install any programs on their devices, except for their own. With such "laws" we get to the point that all self-respecting brands like Apple, Samsung, etc. will leave the Russian market, and we will only have to buy different Chinese phones (in the bad sense of the word) ...
    1. Jack O'Neill
      Jack O'Neill 21 November 2019 17: 12
      -5
      We will heal on DEXP!
    2. Astra wild
      Astra wild 21 November 2019 18: 03
      +1
      No need to look so gloomy at the future
  16. nikolai.kolya
    nikolai.kolya 21 November 2019 15: 46
    +1
    in short .....
    1. they will cut money - there will be no result
    2. Phones will rise in price 100%
    3. if something is installed, it can be removed (see paragraph 1)
    4. If you really want to be proud of something, then you can dream up and come up with a "clever scheme with domestic software to keep an eye on internal enemies and calculate spies" - the result is patriots - Hurray! liberals - to the ECHR for money ...
  17. Errr
    Errr 21 November 2019 15: 48
    +4
    Protectionism in action. Taperich and we, like our foreign "partners", have corrupt lobbyists in parliament.)))
  18. frizzy
    frizzy 21 November 2019 16: 00
    +4
    A deputy is an enemy of the people. Whatever the children of the state did not like, the limbs did not cry. Let them put it and not remove it.
    1. Rzzz
      Rzzz 21 November 2019 19: 13
      -1
      The deputy has nothing to do with the people. He was appointed by the party of power, which consists of capitalists, and he performs the tasks of his employers. Yandex is owned by Sberbank (one of the largest shareholders), one of the key corporations. So they gave the task to mow the people to increase their income.
  19. The popuas
    The popuas 21 November 2019 16: 14
    +6
    to save users from the need to install additional applications .... ahaha caring what, sorry, but it’s not difficult for me and please leave me a choice!
  20. Gardamir
    Gardamir 21 November 2019 16: 29
    0
    Good law, that’s nada to start a test from the Duma. And then they again have nothing to do with citizens, as at 37 they will begin to check. As it is now fashionable for SMS and likes.
  21. Potato
    Potato 21 November 2019 16: 37
    +9
    We are going to "Iran" by leaps and bounds. It will be like in Iran. Gasoline prices were doubled by order of the king - people took to the streets - the Internet and mobile communications were cut off throughout the country - the ayatollah accused the demonstrators of being traitors and shaitans - the IRGC opened fire on the crowd! Only Iran has a wild religious state, and we will have a wild estate, and all neoaristocracy, if anything, will crush the people by the forces of gendarmes from abroad, where she has villas and business with offshore companies. Whisper! Dunno and Chipollino - already extremism) Hurray! Glory to the Tsar!)))
  22. Elephant
    Elephant 21 November 2019 16: 38
    +4
    Yes, this deputy initiative does not bode well for consumers! Do you want to support domestic IT companies subsidize them, reduce taxes, etc.
  23. faterdom
    faterdom 21 November 2019 16: 57
    +2
    We have already established software brands. And we need to help them, as well as promote in the world. Look, the Americans are not shy about leveling the press for our Kaspersky and others.
    Yandex is developing quite well for itself, and in certain areas it is already the best, for example, a navigator program, having tried various others, Yandex chose the same. All the time I was sitting on the Fox browser, but I set the Yandex browser to try - I like it better. Fox X64 has become cumbersome, heavy, and now it does not execute Java scripts. Finereader has already left all its competitors ....
    So there is no need to shout that everything is lost, "Bend your line ..." as a leitmotif from "Brother-2"
    1. kit88
      kit88 21 November 2019 17: 36
      +5
      Speaking of Yandex Navigator. Why does he always take the shortest route? If there is an "autobahn" and parallel to it there is a lane for bulldozers, which is 5 meters shorter than the autobahn, then go along the lane. In an unfamiliar city, this is oh so important.
      One plus - it weighs a little and does not ask for money.
      1. Rzzz
        Rzzz 21 November 2019 19: 01
        0
        Yandex navigator also toughly at complex multi-level interchanges. This is due to the fact that the program includes the accuracy of the GPS receiver at the level of a couple of meters, and the real error reaches 50 meters, and even more.
        But tyndex cartography is the best in Russia; Gugel is lagging behind.
    2. Astra wild
      Astra wild 21 November 2019 18: 00
      +3
      It is a phenomenon of the current government that we primarily expect the worst. Indeed 2/3 to put it mildly nonsense, but also positive sprouts appear. We still distinguish them poorly, but they exist, otherwise it is not possible to live
      1. yang174
        yang174 21 November 2019 19: 07
        -1
        the question is not. whoever restricts the IT companies in launching the software? whats worth it if there are, people install. it's just that the Duma thinks they can take their hands and take their money from our pockets
  24. Fraracol_2
    Fraracol_2 21 November 2019 17: 01
    +4
    "... to save users from installing additional applications." - wonderful "care". Now users will have a new concern: uninstall these applications and get upset about the money paid for them. But there will be created, if not 25000000, but a sufficient number of jobs for specialists to remove these applications.
  25. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 21 November 2019 17: 01
    +4
    insanity in the Duma grows stronger ... forbid yourself sick and we will arrange for you OVATION. Fighters for the purity of IT technology wassat let's see who whom.
  26. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 21 November 2019 17: 09
    -6
    Well, they sailed. I bought a smartphone, and there "Yandex". Those. my favorite program - "AndroidOne" died in Russia?
    What if I don't want those applications that will be preinstalled in the OS? For example, I don't use Yandex, except maybe Yandex Metro. That's all, then only "Google".
    Can people let them choose what they need, not? Why rob people of choice?
    I want a clean Android, without garbage, which will clog up the memory and reduce the autonomy of the phone.
    You don’t go to a fortuneteller, Yandex is in share, since from this law they will have a lot of money, as well as buyers.

    What's next? Will they only buy Russian programs and software? Well, nonsense!

    ] The law passed by the State Duma obliges to pre-install Russian software on certain types of electronic devices before sale. We are talking about the so-called "technically complex goods", which can include smartphones, computers and TVs with Smart TV function. They must be sold with pre-installed Russian software, to save users from having to install additional applications.

    Such an absurd otmaza. Like we're all fools, right?

    The State Duma said that the law is aimed at protecting consumer rights, and will also promote the development of Russian IT companies and "put them on an equal and highly competitive environment" with foreign corporations.

    Oh, is it? They will just install custom firmware as they come from the store. What kind of "competition" are we talking about?

    In short, the thought, as always, in its repertoire, is nothing new ...
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 21 November 2019 18: 02
      +2
      Jack O'Nill Today, 17:09
      Here do not go to a fortuneteller, Yandex is in share, since from this law they will have a lot, both money and buyers

      A bit wrong.
      The initiators of the law are in the share, and Yandex is in the black.
      That is, the company will certainly “thank” its lobbyists with additional profits.
      1. Jack O'Neill
        Jack O'Neill 21 November 2019 18: 52
        -6
        A bit wrong.
        The initiators of the law are in the share, and Yandex is in the black.
        That is, the company will certainly “thank” its lobbyists with additional profits.

        Or so.
    2. Rzzz
      Rzzz 21 November 2019 22: 55
      0
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      They will just install custom firmware as they come from the store.

      After the store, you can do anything. You will pay money for software when purchasing the device.
  27. Brigadier
    Brigadier 21 November 2019 17: 11
    0
    Again, for the umpteenth time, on the same rake. Tired of somehow ... fool
    It is a pity that our people, voting at the last Duma elections for United Russia, did not know what this would turn out for him later.

    Yes, and Putin also presented us with pension "surprises" after the elections, and now, it seems, he hopes that we will vote for his successor.
    Yeah. We’ll only stroke the laces ... lol
    1. Kazbek
      Kazbek 21 November 2019 19: 28
      0
      What are you talking about??? Which Putin? Which hare? What a flea ??? laughing fool belay
  28. Astra wild
    Astra wild 21 November 2019 17: 46
    +3
    [quote = Silvestr] [quote = Piramidon] Is there a Russian analogue of the same "Android"? [/ quote]
    is- "Chubaisoid" [/ quote
    The redhead is disgusting to me, they call him dogs after him and rightly so he does not deserve another. But your humor is not acceptable to me. Our IT developers are trying to achieve something, and you call them names
  29. BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 21 November 2019 18: 18
    +1
    Well, in addition to removing foreign junk, now also clean all our Yandex, Alice and other things
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 21 November 2019 22: 35
      -1
      You can’t touch (delete) Alice!
      He will sue for sexual harassment wassat
  30. monah
    monah 21 November 2019 18: 32
    -1
    Quote: Sergey1987
    You don’t want to read what is written in the article. In addition, you still poorly understand what software is.
    Quote: Vladimir16
    Where is the competition if everyone MUST install Russian software?

    Even at the beginning of the article it is written some, but not all.
    Quote: Vladimir16
    How are Russian smartphones doing? What museum are they in?

    Smiling what does the Russian smartphone have to do with software?
    Quote: Vladimir16
    Apples and google have created their own programs

    They created operating systems while using software from other companies.
    Quote: Vladimir16
    And here they want to force the iron producers to push the unapproachable.

    At least deal with the issue before delirium. For example, the Russian AlterGeo is designed for use on mobile devices and is available through the free apps for iPhone, Android, Windows Phone and bada.
    Of course, I’ve never been an IT specialist, but your offer for a free program for my android was interesting. Can I tell you where the search engine sent me for this application?
  31. Rzzz
    Rzzz 21 November 2019 18: 32
    +3
    As in a joke:
    Again they come up with all sorts of crap, and then vodka rises in price.
    Software costs money, and the forced download of unnecessary software, which, moreover, does not compete with peers in price, will increase the price of the device noticeably. We already have devices that are twice as expensive as China due to licensing of cryptography, PCT certification, all sorts of permissions and licenses, without which it is impossible to import and trade phones, as well as exorbitant retail markups, which contain all the fees and bribes.
    Well, they will cost even more, to hell with him. If only China is not closed. For a long time already I did not buy phones in our retail.
  32. monah
    monah 21 November 2019 19: 03
    +3
    Quote: Brigadier
    Again, for the umpteenth time, on the same rake. Tired of somehow ... fool
    It is a pity that our people, voting at the last Duma elections for United Russia, did not know what this would turn out for him later.

    Yes, and Putin also presented us with pension "surprises" after the elections, and now, it seems, he hopes that we will vote for his successor.
    Yeah. We’ll only stroke the laces ... lol

    The horses mixed up with vkbuh, etc. the impression that for a set of + must definitely remember a pensioner! I’m 70 years old after half a year. I’m not standing by Marten, but most of my friends work too, as far as I can, my classmate from Haifa is also at a loss, what is the market about? All the same, everyone works up to 65-70, and allows you to be healthy and longer!
  33. mark2
    mark2 21 November 2019 19: 28
    +5
    What a blessed topic. Plus the people massively.
    Your whole problem is that none of you believes not in the country or in yourself.
    Every day there is a nagging that the country is not right and wrong.
    And then a certain law arises that gives a chance to develop domestic software.
    And again, howling, saying that we can. We are bast shoes, the undercamps are underdeveloped. Where can we get good software from?
    No where from. If the law works as it should, then you will have to develop your own software, if only so that each of you can buy a new model of a stub. Without software, he will simply be outlawed here.
    And instead of competing in wit, it might be worth considering how to occupy the so far empty niche of the domestic software market.
  34. Chit
    Chit 21 November 2019 19: 34
    -12
    Quote: AVA77
    If in Russia they can’t make their own phone, then software can write good

    Can you tell me a place where you can get good Russian software?
    I won’t even iron the laces; I’ll rush headlong.
    By good Russian software, of course, you need to understand high-quality and cheap software? With decent functionality? Which no one dreamed of all Microsoft?
    1. AVA77
      AVA77 21 November 2019 20: 43
      +4
      To Kaspersky address or to 1s.
      1. AVA77
        AVA77 21 November 2019 20: 51
        +4
        I just was online and disappeared, I hastened to buy a campaign laughing
  35. Rzzz
    Rzzz 21 November 2019 20: 06
    -1
    In general, it seems to me that the next step will be the closure of Chinese online shopping, as in Belarus. To support our merchants. A test rod has already been cast with a decrease in the duty-free threshold to 500 €, then there will be more.
    It would be necessary to get a new smartphone on the Christmas sale ..
  36. evgen1221
    evgen1221 21 November 2019 20: 21
    -3
    IMHO, a typical set will be small, I think. It is advisable that this also be demolished cleanly, otherwise a couple of updates and memory will be tightly clogged.
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 21 November 2019 22: 43
      -1
      I also think so that it’s small, only 30 positions in total. And with the Roskompozor’s advertisement wassat
  37. iouris
    iouris 22 November 2019 00: 14
    -1
    In the title, everything is turned upside down: not a sale, but a purchase. To sell, you first need to learn how to create what is for sale.
  38. Klingon
    Klingon 22 November 2019 00: 57
    -2
    it's so interesting * Russian software * going to install? BASIC from BC * Spark * or Fortran Elbrus ?? wassat
    or maybe they mean Aurora? (She is Sailfish OS from Jolla, she is first MeeGo from Nokia which is Linuh, sawn for ARM processors)
  39. Gato
    Gato 22 November 2019 01: 13
    0
    to save users from having to install additional applications

    ... and pay for useless licensed software?
  40. Olegi1
    Olegi1 22 November 2019 02: 16
    +1
    Quote: Shkworen
    only without Google services, the demand for this "android" will be small :)

    I have been using Yandex services for a long time, the flight is normal.
  41. Nitarius
    Nitarius 22 November 2019 05: 46
    0
    Dashing trouble began))))) when they understand what kind of money it is))) they will squeeze out any Western software)) the question is only money)))
  42. Old26
    Old26 22 November 2019 12: 17
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir16
    "will put them in an equal and highly competitive environment" with foreign corporations.

    I am of course for the development of high technology in Russia, but ....

    the adoption of this law is lobbying the interests of Russian manufacturers to the detriment of everyone else.

    Where is the competition if everyone MUST install Russian software?

    Or is it competition within Russia? How are Russian smartphones doing? What museum are they in? laughing

    Apples and Google created their own programs, and then in China they began to make iron for them.
    Everything is reasonable. Phones do not do in the USA - it is a fact.

    And here they want to force the iron producers to push the unapproachable. No.
    And who needs these gadgets with non-editable software? request


    Namesake! Such movements are periodically repeated in our country. Think back to the epic of the shareware transition at the end of the last decade. A formidable order was issued from above - all government organizations should switch to free Linux. I then worked in the information and publishing department of the organization in the Ministry of Culture. A formidable instruction came from our regional ministry with the requirement to switch to 15% of the organization's computers by October XXXX, and by the beginning of the second half of next year - to 75% of computers. At a meeting in the ministry, they raised the question of what to do with the programs that worked under Windows. We used a number of programs necessary for work. At that time, Linux did not have similar programs. The answer is that it doesn't concern us. Check for yourself what similar programs are under Linux and go. As a result, everyone was released on the brakes. It is quite possible that the current situation will be the same. There are requirements, but programs are unlikely

    Quote: voyaka uh
    "I am generally against installing software in all devices" ////
    ----
    There are devices without software.

    laughing good
    Quote: Something
    How an old grandmother will understand the TV Menu in English, according to the new standard on Russian TV! Read carefully!

    I have a menu in Russian on such a TV, although the software is probably not Russian, because TV has been around for several years. There is still a difference between the menus in Russian and Russian software.

    Quote: Elephant
    Exactly. Such pink devices must be purchased by our DG so that the brains of some initiators are not overloaded. They have been scaring me recently, now we have to have time to buy a Smart TV set in the kitchen before July 1, so that we can easily connect to the smartphone via Wi-Fi.

    A good option. I have Wi-Fi on a stationary computer, so even a smartphone is not really needed ...

    Quote: Zvonarev
    Yeah, and the controls are intuitive. And in universities to return the slide rule!

    I studied when the group had one or two pocket calculators at all. And nothing, managed with a slide rule. There are still three pieces on the shelf. One of ours, one GDR of the late 50s, one Czech mid-70s. Museum exhibits, however, but work flawlessly if something happens ...
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  44. Rostislav
    Rostislav 22 November 2019 21: 26
    0
    "gold mine" for developers. It makes sense to ask which IT companies are co-owners of the initiative, deputies Sergei Zhigarev, Vladimir Gutenev, Oleg Nikolaev and Alexander Yushchenko.
    The idea is sound, of course, but given the gap between the quantity and quality of our and imported software today, it looks somewhat strange.