In India, there were problems with the replacement of SVD with "modern" sniper rifles

The Indian military command unexpectedly (although typical of India - quite expected) decided to reconsider plans to rearm the troops with new sniper rifles. Recall that earlier in the armed forces of India, it was declared readiness to abandon the SVD "with the transition to a more modern and effective sniper weapon».

As it turns out, now in New Delhi they decided to reduce the volume of proposed purchases by more than three times. If initially the planned purchase volumes of sniper rifles were designated at the level of 5720 units and 10 million rounds of ammunition for them, now the Indian media already speaks of 1,8 thousand rifles. 2,7 million cartridges are planned for rifles. Initially, the value of the potential contract was designated at the level of 141 million dollars. The new amount is not announced.

The following fact is noteworthy: when reporters asked the official representative of the Indian armed forces, Aman Anand, to comment on a significant reduction in planned volumes, he said that he could not give any comments on this issue. The reason for this impossibility is not explained.

At the moment, it is known that India, after many months of studying options for the purchase of sniper weapons, was not able to determine a possible supplier. For "study", several units were purchased from various suppliers, including weapons such as the Beretta Scorpio TGT "Victrix". However, after "studying" the Indian Ministry of Defense decided that sniper rifles "do not meet the requirements of the Indian army in a number of ways against the background of its price." The request is traditional: high slaughter range, the presence of progressive optics, low weight and low price. It remains to find a manufacturer that would provide these Indian requests.

In other words, in India there were problems with the abandonment of the SVD, which have been in service since the 1960's. Demands for more modern weapons are too high, including the traditional one - on the localization of weapons production in Indian factories. Many manufacturers are clearly not ready to go for the transfer of production technologies in India with a whole series of other requirements when concluding a contract.

Comments

[Dimy4]

Let the muskets buy for themselves and put the spyglasses with crosses drawn on the glass.

[novel66]

yes, they may have ... the legacy of colonialism, so to speak

[Hunter 2]

Quote: novel xnumx

yes, they may have ... the legacy of colonialism, so to speak

Greetings Roman! Hindus would decide for a start ... Snipers of what level - they were going to rearm! And then formulate the requirements for new rifles ... for now it's just a crazy situation ... Snipers capable of firing a shot at a mile and a half and further - in all of India with their billionth population ... you can count on the fingers! SVD - An excellent rifle of an ordinary army sniper, arrows for the ordered Beretta - piece goods, as a rule choosing weapons for themselves - Alone! With a special, army-sports level of training. And You are right, they first have songs and then Thoughts!

[novel66]

Hi, Lesh! Well, yes, in their terminology - either a Marxman or a sniper ... and yes those rifles and a cartridge must not be made of army zinc

[Hunter 2]

338 LM. The rifle is interesting, but not semi-automatic! I personally ORSIS T 5000, like it more! Several special forces championships have been won with her!

[novel66]

paw magnum? I'm only a theorist ..

[Hunter 2]

Yes sir! There is a cartridge

[novel66]

Lesh, and you read Steve Hunter, did he have a series about the sniper of American Bob Lee Suegger? opinion is interesting

[Hunter 2]

No Roman, did not read somehow not interested in me fiction on this subject
I’ll think that I advise you to read, if you are interested in the topic! I'll throw in a personal.

[novel66]

there, besides artistry, there are a lot of technical details ... I even started to understand what shooting at a distance

[bouncyhunter]

Roma, Alexei - welcome.
Do you mind if I speak out? .338 Lapua Magnum is considered appropriate for use at ranges from 500 to 1300 meters. Another thing is that we do not know what requirements in India are imposed on rifles to replace SVD. Especially when you consider how they like to twist their tail.

[novel66]

it’s precisely this torsion that knocks down, it’s not at all clear what Pash wants, hello!

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: novel xnumx

it’s not at all clear what they want

Like what ? And eat the fish, and ride a trolley for free.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Roma, Alexei - welcome.
Do you mind if I speak out? .338 Lapua Magnum is considered appropriate for use at ranges from 500 to 1300 meters. Another thing is that we do not know what requirements in India are imposed on rifles to replace SVD. Especially when you consider how they like to twist their tail.

Greetings Paul! Infa slipped - they want to beat one and a half ... ... the whole Indian army
The only problem is that training a sniper of this level is more expensive than firing at such distances with ATGMs
By the way, now there are a lot of instructions on varminting ... which is generally a similar lesson

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Hunter 2

they want to beat one and a half ... the whole Indian army

Not a fig of ambition!

Quote: Hunter 2

The only problem is that training a sniper of this level is more expensive than firing at such distances with ATGMs

That's right. A competent sniper is a piece of goods. And even his rifle will cost less.

Quote: Hunter 2

By the way, now there are a lot of instructions on varminting ... which is generally a similar lesson

The sniper not only shoots accurately ...

[Hunter 2]

Exactly right paul but ... you can describe the training of the Sniper Extra Class only in a cycle of books and instructions ... starting from psychological preparation, survival skills, camouflage, physical preparation, the choice of weapons, shooting training, the right choice of Objective, meteorologists, the distance of confident shooting ... .. anti-sniper fighting, etc., etc.
Warming gives a general idea of ​​the complexity of firing a long-range shot.

[bouncyhunter]

I propose to go to "you". That's right, Lesha. You just forgot to mention that a sniper is not a profession, but a gift. Without a predisposition, all training will fly into the pipe.

[Hunter 2]

I agree Pasha! Moreover, there is a scientific approach, like 1/10 - you can bring up an excellent shooter, even an athlete ... but, only 1 of these units can be made an Extra Class Sniper! A gift and a special mindset! I disagree only with the fact that this is not a profession, in every business - there are ignoramuses, middle peasants, talents well and kissed by God!

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Hunter 2

Gift and special mindset

Your truth .

Quote: Hunter 2

ignoramuses, middle peasants, talents well and God kissed

Marxmen will come out of the first two categories, and Snipers from the second. This is purely my opinion, which I do not impose on anyone.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Not a fig of ambition!

Most likely, this is due to the eternal headache of the Indians - they need to solve the problem of heavy and group weapons with a small gun.
In a normal situation, an ATGM or a 23-30 mm cannon (or even "samovars") will work for such a target. But the Indians in the border conflict zone have their hands tied with all sorts of agreements on ceasefires, on the limitation of the use of heavy weapons in these zones, and demands to avoid escalation at all costs. Because today you have worked out of 30 mm, and tomorrow from the other side you will be happily greeted by 105 mm. And packs will still declare at all corners that they are only took symmetrical measures - for the Indians started first.
So the dances around sniper rifles begin.

[bouncyhunter]

Alexey
Your arguments are not without logic. That is - the Indians will rely on sniper antimaterial long-range rifles (large caliber)?

[Rwmos]

There it’s funny looking that the places are good, where you put 30, but I’ll demolish it from below)
And for the armory - they just need a sharpshooter rifle - they explained it right above.
Psi: sharpe - and get it. The sniper is redundant, the machine gun is also working mona) Tactics

[aszzz888]

bouncyhunter (Pasha) Today, 08: 39

Hello Pasha! By shooting you DOCA !. Did not try, at least half the rate, to them an instructor? You look and the matter would be touched by them.

[bouncyhunter]

Seryoga, be healthy!

Quote: aszzz888

Did not try, at least half the rate, to them an instructor?

I study well, but I don’t know how to teach - there is no talent. Even the Indians.

[SAG]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Another thing is that we do not know what requirements in India are imposed on rifles to replace SVD. Especially when you consider how they like to twist their tail.

Nothing special by Indian standards ... Direct firing range from 2500 to 4000, 20x optics, 100 rounds magazine, zero return, homing bullets and the transfer of all technologies at the price of a bag of rice apiece, but an exchange for the same SVD 1 is better: 1 + they will dedicate a song to you and make a film about it

[aiden]

Including the Chinese won with her

[Gray brother]

Quote: Hunter 2

. Snipers of what level - they are going to rearm!

Yes, they are all bold as tigers and vigilant as eagles - this is the level of, approximately, a god.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: Hunter 2

. Snipers of what level - they are going to rearm!

Yes, they are all bold as tigers and vigilant as eagles - this is the level of, approximately, a god.

Greetings! Well then Everything is clear! but ... all the same, all tigers and eagles cannot be transferred to one rifle ... unfortunately - anyway, the approach is individual ... maybe there are falcons and Leopards

[Okolotochny]

Lee Enfield is over !!!

[haron]

Quote: Okolotochny

Lee Enfield is over !!!

somehow sarcasm on this site is not welcome.
If we are sarcastic, either the enfields have sailed long ago into the abyss of the Indian bureaucracy. That's about the new AK question. Either they want NK for 308 wines, then paw, then some kind of crap instead of the USSR standards.
God with him, Jamu and Kashmir, coupled with Mohammedanism, not quite suitable for our standards - geography !? But the pettiness of purchases begins to strain! They are either traded with the Russian Federation, or have adopted a defensive strategy?

[Okolotochny]

Sarcasm is not welcome? Yah? You read comments on political and political topics, and then teach.

[haron]

So sure, Comrade Marshal!
There is - to read and then teach!

[Civil]

There is a great Indian sniper moment.

[sh3roman]

Maybe I didn’t understand what ??? a woman was charged from a vintar’s forehead, and then she still chatters ????? This is a game !!!!!

[Russian Central Asian]

this is not game, this is Indian movie

[Russian Central Asian]

gorgeous passage !!!!! +++++

[Lena Petrova]

That's where the Indian women have points on their foreheads. I thought ...

[cost]

The request is traditional: high slaughter range, the availability of progressive optics, low weight and low price

Let the elephant urgently fill up and jump to Ukraine, so the Canadians are going to fit in a batch of CDX Lite and CDX Tac sniper rifles. If you promise a rollback, the Ukrainians will gladly sell them. By the way, jewels can be bought inexpensively there.

[novel66]

and there seemed to be "barrets"

[Wolverine]

Quote: Dimy4

Let the muskets buy for themselves and put the spyglasses with crosses drawn on the glass.

Not a great specialist, of course, but I think that buying expensive items does not make sense in real hostilities, they will find and cover them with mortars, but if every third soldier is with SVD, there will be more sense.

[Alexander Petrov1]

The best military sniper rifle of the World saved tens of thousands of simple snipers in the swamp and in the desert and in the cold and didn’t figure out anything more reliable and cheap than invent a bicycle, it’s still better for a simple fighter in a dirty trench in the World to come up with nothing they’ll come up with except Russia, especially at such a low price ...

[URAL72]

In our RV and in the SAF recently received Mosinki. In my RV - one. Adapter, Picatinny rail, imported sight, 8x. SVD is now gathering dust (a sniper is one, although there should be two in the state). The special mosquito, a sniper, came with an eye, but it is already inferior even to the OPS-1, therefore it was replaced. At your own expense, of course, this is the DPR!

[Same lech]

Again, the Indians are weird ... you know the market ... you have to bargain.

[novel66]

tradition ... without dancing in any way ... but it doesn’t dance - either good or cheap, no one wants to understand the Hindu soul

[Uncle lee]

slaughter range, the presence of progressive optics, low weight and low price.

and where will you find this? Though dance!
SVD is SVD!

[novel66]

what are we talking about also reliability!

[Mountain shooter]

Kickbacks received. Reviewed. Too small. We tighten the issue, transfer the solution to the distant future. gypsies ...

[Valery Valery]

These Indians are funny. Just like our closest neighbors: they want to eat the fish and change their orientation ...

[novel66]

gay club "back to front" .. here you can eat not only fish ..

[Amateur]

The principle of choosing weapons by the Indian military

I saw yesterday crayfish rifles of five rubles. But large, But five rubles ...
True, big ...
and today were three,
but small, but three ...

[Zaurbek]

Well there is no way. Theoretically, while you can buy new sights on SVD ....

[cosmonaut]

sadness, there wasn’t enough money ... actually sniper weapons and ammunition are expensive. And with their requests and capabilities they can only provide a couple of killers

[Wedmak]

Hindus were not themselves without the traditional dances "buy-not-buy-buy a lot-buy a little-give the technology, can it be free?"

[rocket757]

That la la! How familiar all this is, and already to everyone!

[Flooding]

Traditional Indian fun - rake dancing - no longer surprises anyone.

[Basarev]

Well, what do we care about India? They themselves are not better. Until now, we can’t get rid of this rubbish from the time of Gagarin.

[tarabar]

And I would not refuse such "rubbish" in my closet.

[Basarev]

Right. Only for civilians is it suitable. But this is clearly a technically obsolete weapon, almost unsuitable for the regular army.

[Fedorov]

They need a safe there, and a trained dog. with a personal alarm.

[Fedorov]

As for the trash, I would argue. We ourselves are from the time of Gagarin.

[Basarev]

I doubt even the need for an army sniper. It was invented as a temporary gag, when the machine did not always have enough range to hit not the closest target. Now that the range of the assault rifles has increased, good optics have appeared on them - was the army sniper so needed? And since a sniper is not needed, then a rifle created just for this purpose is not needed. And further. If you don’t need a sniper, then maybe you should completely review the entire department? Revise the size and composition. But from here comes the global revision of military professions, which leads to the revision of even the whole doctrine - up to the manning of the armed forces and the rank system.

[Karen]

Quote: Basarev

I doubt even the need for an army sniper

A very necessary profession ... In the war of the 90s, my friends were forced to sniper at a distance of 800m from Kalashnikov, and without optics, since there were no optics ...

Quote: Basarev

Now that the range of the assault rifles has increased,

Enlighten, please, about the range of modern automatic weapons ...

[Basarev]

Now, at least in the west, an effective range of 800 m is laid as a standard. I read the story of how in Iraq, Americans easily fell into the heads of the M16 at such a distance.

[Karen]

Well, they told us back then that a rifle and a rifle in order to shoot further ...

[dvina71]

Quote: Basarev

. I read the story of how in Iraq the Americans easily hit the heads of the M16 at such a distance.

Yeah. They won’t tell you anything like that .. Already at 400m the human eye will not allow you to get into any part of the body .. and at 800m ... and even in the desert (Iraq) ... Yes, yes ... we believe. ..

[Fikys]

Quote: Basarev

. I read the story of how in Iraq the Americans easily fell into the heads of the M16 at such a distance

I can tell you a story about how they got in the head from the PM over 150m, so what? I have a simple question: did you yourself shoot at a distance of over 500m at a target the size of your head? If yes, please share your impressions. From my own experience, I can say that even with SVD it is not at all easy, and teaching such shooting is even more difficult.

[phair]

from the gun ... Margolin.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Basarev

Now, at least in the west, an effective range of 800 m is laid as a standard. I read the story of how in Iraq, Americans easily fell into the heads of the M16 at such a distance.

I heard the story of how one 90 year old grandfather put two sticks every day to two 18 year old students who lived in his apartment ...

[tarabar]

It’s one thing — I heard, another thing — I saw. The reliability of these facts is completely different. You can also say that 3 * 18 is like good morning.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote from tarabar

It’s one thing — I heard, another thing — I saw.

Reliability of stories about M16 at 800 meters and about 2 sticks of a 90-year-old grandfather every day at about the same level.

[Okolotochny]

Here you can believe it.))) Modern pharmacology is stuffy thing)))

[dvina71]

Quote: Basarev

I read the story of how in Iraq, Americans easily fell into the heads of the M16 at such a distance.

That would not be unfounded .. Shooting from Mauser 98 .. at 500m. Open sight. Watch at the end of the video.

[Souchastnik]

I dare to object, although not an expert in sniper business. Snipers are a specific unit, for which there is always work. Unless, someday, we learn to teleport a bullet directly into the brain of the target. Therefore, I think that we can discuss the staff structure, the required number. But the fact of the need for snipers is undeniable. something like this.

[Doctor]

I doubt even the need for an army sniper. It was invented as a temporary gag, when the machine did not always have enough range to hit not the closest target. Now that the range of the assault rifles has increased, good optics have appeared on them - was the army sniper so needed?

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The question is actually interesting. Not everyone knows that when the AK-47 appeared, the front-line soldiers were very skeptical about him as a universal weapon. The fact is that in terms of range and accuracy it is inferior to a rifle, and for close combat its returns are excessive, and the store is insufficient (compared to PCA). It seems now comes the understanding that they were right. Hence the desire of the militants in Chechnya to have more snipers, and for close combat - APS.

Here above Wolverine wrote:

but if every third fighter will be with SVD - there will be more sense.

And I would add: give each SVD, and a submachine gun "Cypress".

[saveall]

How zadolbal this Indian series with songs and dances ... Every day a new series. Can someone put a maratorium on military news from India?

[aszzz888]

The Indian military command unexpectedly (although typical of India - quite expected) decided to revise plans to rearm the troops with new sniper rifles.

Well what can I say? To the Indians, such an approach to business is UNIQUE national fun.

[Souchastnik]

To the Indians, such an approach to business is UNIQUE national fun.

Maybe we don’t understand something. It’s their tactics and strategy.

[rocket757]

Any "tool" also needs skilled hands!

[Zeev Zeev]

If the Indians so need a replacement for SVD, then let them buy sharpsheter rifles a la Galatz or SR-25. Moreover, the SR-25 can be produced without a license, AR-ki have a free patent.

[Fikys]

What's the point? A little win in accuracy, but lose in reliability and unpretentiousness. I think that for the combined-arms Marxman, the latest qualities will be more important.

[Zeev Zeev]

Not a little, but solid. And in ergonomics and modularity (I'm talking about the SR-25, "Galati" in this regard, not very). And the reliability is quite at the level

[Fikys]

2 MOA SVD versus 1 SR25, I think a little (for the Marxman). The SVD has a rather large spread in the trunks, it is possible to find less than 1 MOA, special forces snipers in the Union did just that. Ergonomics - a rather individual thing, I personally like SVD in this regard. The sensitivity of the AR-system to pollution, like, no one has yet seriously disputed;) Modularity - yes, that's a plus. In general, if you arm from scratch, especially for professional armies, then the SR-25 is a good option, but I don’t see the point of changing SVD to it, such a replacement will not give a new quality.

[Zeev Zeev]

The sensitivity of the AR system to contamination is greatly exaggerated.

[Fikys]

Maybe. You know better. I only came across AR-15 once, but there was no way to evaluate its sensitivity to pollution;)

[Zeev Zeev]

And for three years I served urgent with weapons of the AR family (M-16A1 from Vietnam, M4A1, M-16 short). In addition to this, I went to training camps for a long time, where again I received either M-16 or M4A1. I did not conduct any special tests, but the weapon fired a lot, in dust, in dirt, in the temperature range from -2 to +47, it was wet in the rain, sprinkled with sand and had all the other joys of the usual use of conventional weapons by an ordinary infantryman of the Israeli Defense Forces. There were few delays (except for one specific case)

[Fikys]

I actually used PM, AKSU, AK-74, SVD, of which the latter two were quite active for six months (Abkhazia, 1992). There were no delays. None.

[Zeev Zeev]

Abkhazia? Saved Sukhumi from the fate of Batumi? Leave no comment.

[Fikys]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Leave no comment.

And it is right. I am ready to discuss technical issues, ideology - fire!

[Zeev Zeev]

And this is also correct. Shoot - find a minute to lubricate the weapon. I shot a lot - find a quarter of an hour for cleaning.

[Fikys]

Undoubtedly. That's only when you can find these quarter of an hour - it depends on the situation. It happened that two - three days did not have such an opportunity.

[Zeev Zeev]

Must find. The only time I had a specific M-16 wedge was actually due to the fact that one fat ass sat on unloading, breaking two stores.

[Fikys]

Either the armored ass and flopped on a grand scale, or the stores of the wrong system

[Zeev Zeev]

Both. Aluminum stores, Americans used them once. And we are 100500 times. And the guy who sat on them was also not skinny, you could even say a fat man

[Herman 4223]

I understand that what they want simply does not exist in nature, or rather exists, but it is either called SVD or has no advantage over it. They want a rifle with a greater effective range than the SVD, good optics, and so that it is light. This is not in the text, but as I understand it, it is also semi-automatic. The only problem is that a good sniper rifle usually has more weight, and does not have automation.

[tarabar]

I remember here the video went as our brothers shot a sniper from ZU-23, so let the dancers offer it, I think they will like it.

[Herman 4223]

Such a rifle is only for elite professionals. Although not even for them, for cyborgs. No one except the cyborg recoil from such a rifle can stand it.

[Fevralsk. Morev]

The rifle was made for Private Mamedov, and not for Master Sergeant Bill Woren. It seems that among the Indians there are many Mamedovs.

[Shield]

the Indians always have a bad time — they have submarines burning and drowning, tanks are really dicky, they have planes of the wrong system and therefore they don’t fly ... in short, children of Monday!

[senima56]

Dear Indians, if you need "... more modern and effective sniper weapons .." - buy SVD-M!

[Incvizitor]

I think when the microwave masses appear in Russia then the Indians will replace the combined-arms SVD with it.

[Oleg53]

For a distance of 1500 m, not one sniper is needed, but a second number. There is no task for which a weapon is selected. If there was originally a conversation about 5000, then this is an army sniper easier, a good shooter and here the SVD is just right, if 1000 pieces, then they really will not prepare so many shooters.

[Russian Central Asian]

Another gypsy rotten show-off,

[cat Rusich]

To sellers weapons to India should be given milk "for harm "... and early retirement , skip the line to the therapist (or directly to a psychiatrist )

[Leonid Har]

SVD will still serve faithfully

[Aramis]

I remember the Americans despised our SVD until they plunged into Afghan. And oh, miracle! An epiphany has come, it turns out that the SVD with automatic reloading in battle is better than the Springfield with manual reloading. In combat, the ability to quickly fire a second shot is more important than accuracy at long range.

[Kaw]

I wonder why the SVD is bad if a more modern sight is placed on it?

[Hexagon]

a bot is not placed on it so that it would automatically distribute headshots when shooting somewhere towards the target.

[Alexander Alekseev_2]

And Merina wants, but there is only enough money for Zhigu. Desires with opportunities "a little" do not coincide ...

[phair]

Anything can happen. Armenians and Turks, I do not recommend commenting