Is the “saving upgrade” effective for the updated T-72B3? Combat units await Arena-M


As shown by a short monitoring of Russian news and military-analytical portals, recently published information about equipping a prototype of the main combat tank T-72B3 arr. In 2016, the modernized active defense complex T09-06 Arena-M became the subject of countless positive comments left by both experts and observers aware of methods for increasing the security of modern armored vehicles.


And this is not at all surprising, because the T-72Б3 field tests captured on a well-known photograph with Arena-M modules on the tower’s side armored plates can testify to only one thing: Ural Transport Engineering Design Bureau JSC finally finalized the Perfection-A experimental design work ”, Providing the possibility of large-scale modernization of the T-72B3 combat units using the latest KAZ as part of the state defense order.

The Arena-M active defense complex is the most effective panacea only for opposing ATGMs of the 1 and 2 generations


Undoubtedly, against the background of the continued active use of the 1 and 2 generations of anti-tank missile systems in various theaters of military operations, which have wired and semi-automatic laser control systems, as well as tactical multi-purpose air-to-surface missiles with flat terminal sections of flight paths, The above-mentioned “seventy-second” modernization is truly a turning point in increasing the combat stability of the tank brigades of the Russian Ground Forces. Considering the fact that Arena-M radar guidance sensors, framing the upper armored plate of the tower, have an elevation scanning sector from -6 to + 20 degrees and the maximum speed of the accompanied elements of the WTO (ATGM, guided missiles and cumulative shells) of the order of 1200 m / s, it is easy to conclude that the T-72Б3 tanks equipped with KAZ data will be fully protected from all modifications of the anti-tank guided missiles of the TOW-2A / B / C / D / F, HOT, Milan-2T / 3 / ER " etc.

Meanwhile, the maximum elevation angle of the scanning beams of the Arena-M radar sensors at + 20 ° cannot guarantee the crew of the tank reliable protection against American FGM-148 Javelin ATGMs, Israeli Spike-ER II / NLOS, French MMP, and also the AGM-65G Maverick and JAGM multi-purpose tactical air-to-surface missiles. All of the aforementioned air attack tools boast single- / dual-band infrared homing heads, interference-protected multi-band seekers (active radar, infrared and semi-active laser sensors), as well as advanced inertial navigation systems that provide a wide range of flight modes, including diving at angles XNUM ° and more. Unfortunately, these approach angles are outside the elevation view of the Arena-M sensors.

Numerous types of SPBE self-aiming combat elements, which are “equipment” of the MGM-72B ATACMS Block IIA tactical ballistic missiles, continue to pose an equally high threat to T-3B164 tanks equipped with Arena-M active defense systems. ), 227-mm unguided and guided shells M26A2 and M31A1 GMLRS multiple launch rocket systems MLRS and HIMARS, as well as 155-mm unguided cluster shells included in the ammunition of self-propelled guns and towed howitzers of NATO countries. In this case, we are talking about such self-aiming combat elements as SADARAM, P31 BAT (“Brilliant Anti-Tank”) and “Bonus”, developed by specialists from Aerojet, Alliant Techsystems, Raytheon, Northrop and “ Bofors Defense. "

After the arrival of carrier shells (moving along a flat, quasi-ballistic or ballistic trajectory) into the area of ​​the battlefield, the destruction of the shell-shells of cluster warheads and the further dispersal of submunitions in space on the descending branch of the trajectory, most of their types continue vertical descent with the permanent search for ground targets using infrared, active radar and acoustic sensors. At the same time, the descent angle relative to the target can be from 80 to 90 degrees, leaving not a single Arena-M chance.

Consequently, the survival of tank units will continue to depend solely on the effectiveness of military air defense systems. Firstly, the Tor-M1V, Tor-M2U short-range self-propelled air defense systems capable of withstanding multi-purpose tactical missiles and more small-sized maneuvering elements of high-precision weaponsSecondly, promising military Buk-M3 air defense missile systems "ground" for intercepting guided GMLRS rockets and ATACMS family of tactical ballistic missiles at a distance of 25-35 km long before they reach the "unpacking" boundary of the deadly cluster " equipment. " The situation could also be saved by the implementation of the Arena-M radar architecture modernization program, which provides for the integration of additional sensors for viewing the upper hemisphere.
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  1. Old bun 21 November 2019 15: 09 New
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    you need to start with this one. and then you can already upgrade.
    1. max702 21 November 2019 17: 50 New
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      The main question is, where did the author get these data? Considering the fact that the Arena-M radar guidance sensors framing the upper armored plate of the turret have an elevation scanning sector from -6 to +20 degrees and a maximum speed of tracking elements of the WTO (ATGM, guided missiles and cumulative shells) of the order of 1200 m / with , and how true are they? Did he come up with something or was he simply mistaken?
      1. Alekseev 21 November 2019 21: 15 New
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        Quote: max702
        Did he come up with something or was he simply mistaken?

        Who knows? Maybe he came up with, or maybe the data from the article and correspond to reality.
        But to expand the scanned space, to include a significant part of the upper hemisphere, is probably a completely solvable task.
        Another important problem fell out of sight; KAZ units and assemblies should simply be hung on top of the turret and hull of the tank, and be in the reserved volume, which excludes their destruction by shell fragments, small-caliber artillery, and small arms ammunition.
        Otherwise, a complex and effective system will serve only as a glass horseradish for a fool, until the first shelling.
        Immediately in full growth, the question arises of the amount of necessary work when installing KAZ, not initially at the factory, but during the subsequent modernization of the armored vehicle.
        There are no simple things in protecting BTT, as, probably, in many other cases ...
        1. max702 21 November 2019 22: 18 New
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          Quote: Alekseev
          But to expand the scanned space, to include a significant part of the upper hemisphere, is probably a completely solvable task.

          Well, if we understand this, then the creators of the system, and even more so, customers will realize it much better, and therefore the data cited by the author of the article is sucked out of their fingers since they would not suit anyone .. That's why I focus on the question where the author got this data from? In order to write an article and get bank notes? After all, the whole article is based on this that the corners of the radar and the striking elements are not enough. The meaning is in it?
        2. Romario_Argo 21 November 2019 23: 31 New
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          it’s all about the fired KAZ cartridges, which form 3 type of detonation.
          the first outer part is light fragments,
          the second internal - heavy tungsten - the initiation of 2 x BB plates, or 1 BB plate forms an impact core from a tungsten saucer.
          ie
          1. light fragments (without initiating an internal pack) - the proximity of his infantry
          2. Light + Heavy Shards - Helfaires, Spikes
          3. light fragments + shock core - supersonic targets
        3. okko077 25 November 2019 12: 30 New
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          Tanks in modern warfare (against the partisans do not count) go in the 3rd echelon and clear out the pockets of resistance .. Or just strengthen the guard ... When using any tanks with any protection in the 1st echelon, they are just light targets and that's it .. .
        4. Boris Chernikov 6 December 2019 18: 31 New
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          hardly correspond, because the developer, when asked about the Javelins and Spikes, said so, the first Arena could not counteract, and Arena-M can already
    2. Bar2 21 November 2019 21: 45 New
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      they waited for the Americans to arm themselves with Jewish defenses, and then we are, isn’t it strange?
  2. Thrifty 21 November 2019 15: 10 New
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    Well, then dz is needed "Relic, to cover the tower with dz and brrnereshetami too, which will reduce or remove dead zones on the silhouette of the tank when attacking it from above. ...
  3. paul3390 21 November 2019 15: 10 New
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    And what - it concerns only our tanks? Are bourgeois extremely protected from such ammunition?
    1. Alexander Suvorov 21 November 2019 16: 28 New
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      paul3390 (Paul)
      And what - it concerns only our tanks? Are bourgeois extremely protected from such ammunition?
      Well this is Damantsev, he doesn’t bother with global practice.
      After the arrival of carrier shells (moving along a flat, quasi-ballistic or ballistic trajectory) into the area of ​​the battlefield, the destruction of the shell-shells of cluster warheads and the further dispersal of submunitions in space on the descending branch of the trajectory, most of their types continue vertical descent with the permanent search for ground targets using infrared, active radar and acoustic sensors. At the same time, the descent angle relative to the target can be from 80 to 90 degrees, leaving not a single Arena-M chance.
      He said how he snapped, Arena-M has no chance and that’s it. All constructor fool not smart people, only Damantsev d'Artagnan and knows exactly how it should ... One misfortune MO does not want to listen to him. laughing
      1. Captain45 21 November 2019 20: 10 New
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        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        He said how he snapped, Arena-M has no chance and that’s it. All the designers are not smart people, only Damantsev d'Artagnan knows exactly how it should ... One misfortune of the Moscow Region does not want to listen to him.

        So I wonder why Eugene still does not head the General Staff? Well this is what knowledge a person has in any field of military activity belay
    2. Vlad.by 21 November 2019 18: 24 New
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      And what - it concerns only our tanks? Are bourgeois extremely protected from such ammunition?

      Do not touch the holy! Hands off Abrasha! )))
    3. Vol4ara 23 November 2019 21: 08 New
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      Quote: paul3390
      And what - it concerns only our tanks? Are bourgeois extremely protected from such ammunition?

      Not unprotected, but we don’t have such ammunition
      1. Alexey G 23 November 2019 22: 24 New
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        That is, we can’t plop into Abrash and Merkava from above? For example, from a hillock, or from a 5-story building in Syria? Can't jump from a helicopter or cover with a hurricane? We can’t even go there to launch a rocket from a trunk channel for 5 km ??? How so?
  4. Ratmir_Ryazan 21 November 2019 15: 22 New
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    The situation could also be saved by the implementation of the Arena-M radar architecture modernization program, which provides for the integration of additional sensors for viewing the upper hemisphere.


    So what is the problem I do not understand ?!

    They defended the tank around the perimeter, so you need to cover the upper hemisphere too !!!

    Hoping that next to the tank will always be air defense and even in the form of a Thor is simply stupid.

    The tank must be able to protect itself, especially now we have everything for this.

    Finalize KAZ and in a series !!! He is needed as air, without him death to our tanks.

    KAZ and other armored vehicles, up to armored vehicles Typhoon and Tiger, also need to be done.
    1. alexmach 21 November 2019 18: 24 New
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      So what is the problem I do not understand ?!

      A whole lot of problems. How to cover it from above from all types of threats? for example from the same shock core? at what distances to intercept ammunition?
  5. Zaurbek 21 November 2019 15: 22 New
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    Without KAZ systems, it is already impossible to conduct a local military company even at the level of the Syrian land army of the Russian Federation. 2nd generation ATGMs went to the masses and the losses would be colossal ... Javelin is being supplied only by the state formation and so far they are not the main threat.
    1. Sanichsan 11 December 2019 17: 34 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      2nd generation ATGMs went to the masses and the losses would be colossal ... Javelin is being supplied only by the state formation and so far they are not the main threat.

      it’s strange ... ATGMs of 2 generations have gone to the masses for about 20 years already, and all of the outstanding results have somehow been imperceptible ... then they will blow up the shahidmobile, then they will smash the shed, but how it comes to tanks so here the Cornets Merkava and Abramsy are holes or ToU- 2 T-72. where are the achievements of the 2nd generation ??? request
      1. Zaurbek 11 December 2019 18: 11 New
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        2nd generation concept extensible .... guidance system is changing slowly, the caliber has changed from 100 to 150mm. And on some samples, warheads shoot down when a rocket flies on top of the tank. I wrote about terrorists and the Israeli War in Lebanon, Syria, Chechnya, Yemen ... are not enough for you?
        1. Sanichsan 13 December 2019 14: 16 New
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          Quote: Zaurbek
          are you few?

          few. very little! With great difficulty, and not without help, I found a video of using javelin on a moving target. not on the tank. I didn’t find any application for tanks. request
          kornet fu, can’t attack from above ... of course abrams punches in the forehead but doesn’t attack from above and that means fu. ToU fu, also doesn’t attack from above, but it’s knocking out tanks ... but fu. but javelin is super! finally cool! tanks really didn’t beat in battle but very cool!
          something this coolness reeks a lot of advertising company wink
          1. Zaurbek 13 December 2019 15: 04 New
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            In Syria, both the Toe and the Cornets used ... and they have no need to attack from above ... 1000mm for DZ. This is enough for any tank. Well, maybe, except for the newest. They burned Leo2a5, T62,72 a bunch, T90 a couple of pieces.
            1. Sanichsan 13 December 2019 17: 55 New
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              Quote: Zaurbek
              In Syria, both Toe and the Cornets used.

              so I write about it. all the confusion is that initially confused the second generation (cornet, tou) and the third (javelin). excuse me laughing
              Quote: Zaurbek
              They burned Leo2a5, T62,72 a bunch, T90 a couple of pieces.

              here with the T-90 turbidity. ToU could not ditch the T-90, but the couple was really burned. at least one of the T-72 BOPS on board. it’s like an ATGM ...
              1. Zaurbek 13 December 2019 18: 14 New
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                One could not ... another could. If there was a Cornet, it would be worse.
  6. Pecheneg 21 November 2019 15: 24 New
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    Well, at least the developers themselves understand the danger to the tank coming from the Javelins Spikes and submunitions of cluster warheads of operational-tactical ballistic missiles. So there is hope that they will come up with something and on this occasion, we will wait.
    1. Boris Chernikov 27 November 2019 23: 43 New
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      Javelins and Spikes are taken out of the game with infrared rocket launch sensors, which make the Cloud system work.
  7. Nikolaevich I 21 November 2019 15: 55 New
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    Recently, I have already commented in a comment that to equip the T-72 and T-90 tanks, the KAZ Arena-M2 (or Arena-U ...) is needed; that is, a more updated Arena is needed than Arena-M! And still, "Arena ..."! Because, I believe that this KAZ has the potential for further improvement! Radars with AFAR, all-angle (wide-angle) launchers, new correctable "counter-ammunition" based on the "initial" flat "explosive panels" are also needed! I have an idea how Arena should be modernized ... by the way, in “free patents” there is a description of such modernization. This description is not mine, but when I found this description, I was surprised how “consonant” this description is with my ideas .... The basis is counter-ammunition in the form of flat panels ... this preserves the direction of the fragmentation “stream”. The ammunition panel is based on a fragmentation "field" on the FEM or "multinuclear" ... The upgraded "control ammunition" is equipped with pulsed micromotors (rocket or BG ...) turning on 360 gr. ; trajectory correction, stabilizer, position sensor in space, laser-command or radio command control of detonation ... possibly a rocket lifting engine (optional). The launch of counter-ammunition is carried out not by a powder "knock-out" charge, as in the "initial" "Arena"; and a powder “pusher” (principle of SP-5 / 6 cartridges ...) ... Unfortunately, now is the late time for me and I can’t “highlight the ideas of modernization” of the “Arena” in more detail ... but if there are any of these details, I can continue "tomorrow"!
    1. Nikolaevich I 23 November 2019 11: 37 New
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      PS Some of the "promised" ...
      I repeat: this is not mine ... but the ideas set forth in the patent are very "consonant" with my "considerations" ...
  8. Sergei 777 21 November 2019 16: 07 New
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    We really need an arena. Situations when our guys are massively burning in a tank due to be a thing of the past.
    1. Alexander Suvorov 21 November 2019 16: 41 New
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      Sergey 777 (Dr. No) Situations when our guys are massively burning in a tank due to become a thing of the past.
      Excuse me, but are our guys burning somewhere?
      No, elsi means an absolutely idiotic order to storm Grozny with tanks without the slightest cover, then yes, I agree. Well, if the president is an alcoholic, and the Minister of War wears a Pasha Mercedes, then why be surprised there would be the latest Armats and would not save any KAZ.
      As long as there is a confrontation between armor and shell, this music will be eternal. The question is who and how uses the technology. You can buy the most sophisticated equipment, or you can show miracles on the old one. F-117 and Yugoslav air defense are a vivid example of this.
  9. bars1 21 November 2019 16: 19 New
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    In the commercial about KAZ ,, Arena-Э"it is indicated that it can hit anti-tank weapons attacking from above ...
    1. psiho117 21 November 2019 17: 49 New
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      it can theoretically strike ... but detect - no
    2. Nikolaevich I 22 November 2019 00: 28 New
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      Quote: bars1
      In the commercial about KAZ, Arena-E it is indicated that it can hit anti-tank weapons attacking from above ...

      I don’t quite understand what you mean, but the Arena’s counter-munition "initially" hit the attacking PT-munition with a fragmentation "stream" from the top ...
      1. Herman 4223 22 November 2019 19: 36 New
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        This is the "arena e," the arena m works and is structured completely differently.
        1. Nikolaevich I 23 November 2019 01: 12 New
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          Quote: Herman 4223
          This is the "arena er," the arena m works and is structured very differently

          Well, it’s “slightly” arranged differently, but the principle of the “operation” of the protective munition remains the same ... Changes to Arena-M compared to Arena-E are as follows: 1. Disappeared birdhouse; 2. Distributed antenna system appeared ; 3. A different location of the PU ... But the principle of "work! Protective munition (counter-munition) remains the same! I read about some changes in the munition ... pulsed micromotor engines were added ... That is, it appears in principle (!) the ability to hit the attacking ammunition not only from the top, but also from the side, from the bottom. But, most likely, this is all The same thing was done in order to adjust the position of the counter-ammunition in space and, thereby, increase the range of a reliable defeat from above.
  10. CommanderDIVA 21 November 2019 17: 39 New
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    The title of the article is very suitable for articles on Yandex Zen
  11. Sarduor 21 November 2019 18: 04 New
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    Kirill Fedorov says that this photo is from the field tests of this complex for Turkey, since the Ukrainian kaz showed itself poorly.
    1. Artemiy_2 22 November 2019 22: 25 New
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      Kirill Fedorov is a Latvian youtuber who has already been banned twice)))
    2. Boris Chernikov 28 November 2019 00: 02 New
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      because someone allegedly said this to Kirill .. the problem is that when a detailed study of the photo itself and the fact about the “Ukrainian KAZ showed itself poorly”, it becomes clear that Alko froze nonsense
  12. bars1 21 November 2019 18: 47 New
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    Quote: psiho117
    it can theoretically strike ... but detect - no

    Why do you think you cannot detect?
  13. dirk182 21 November 2019 22: 05 New
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    this is better than just DZ
    Marginal notes. The armament of the T-34 tanks with smoke bombs, of course, was a positive thing, but very late. German Tiger tanks already at the beginning of 1943 had mortars (grenade launchers) on the tower, with which it was possible to spread smoke grenades in all directions, including forward. This allowed the Tiger to cover itself with a dense smokescreen in several tens of seconds and jump out of the fire under its cover. Our T-34-85 tank, which appeared at the front in the second half of 44 years, could only cover the tanks coming from behind with its smoke cups, and even with a favorable wind direction.
    Mortyrs on Soviet tanks, similar to German ones, appeared only on the T-72 (T-64?) In the seventies (!!).
    I don’t think that the secret of these mortars and smoke grenades was realized by our designers only 30 years after the end of the war. Rather, here is the thoughtlessness of the highest generals, their unwillingness to work to increase the survivability of tanks on the battlefield. And, probably, they began to think about smoke grenade launchers only when the cost of each tank became very high. It is not customary to think about ordinary people, about their lives in Russia. In this regard, a more bestial attitude towards human blood is perhaps only in China, where the life of a soldier is not appreciated at all.
    Veremeev Yu.G.
  14. Saxahorse 22 November 2019 00: 19 New
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    The article is correct, today without KAZ the tank is not a tenant. Just look at the losses from missiles in Iraq and Syria.

    On the other hand, the Arena certainly became outdated, while they thought new threats appeared. In addition to the limited angles of interception, there are questions about the chosen method of defeat - buckshot. How reliably buckshot will hit ATGM? They and warheads are not at all ahead, and may be protected. And damage to the case or devices 20 meters from the target is most likely not enough, it will fly by inertia.

    Today, the most interesting solution for the Israeli Iron First looks, with a shellless munition destroying ATGM shock wave. We should also work in this direction.
    1. psiho117 22 November 2019 10: 30 New
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      Quote: Saxahorse
      The most interesting solution for the Israeli Iron First looks, with a shellless ammunition destroying the ATGM shock wave.

      Not with a shock wave, but with a bunch of cumulative jets (or cores? Xs how exactly is implemented there). Just metal cladding to godfather. there are no funnels - and therefore the cumulative stream consists purely of gases.
      1. Saxahorse 22 November 2019 23: 08 New
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        Quote: psiho117
        Not a shock wave, but a bunch of cumulative jets

        I think no. I’ve already published a video, it shows that the charge is usually blown just below the rocket (or even BOPS) and the defeat is not by trickles, namely by a blasting shock wave. And I suspect that the detonation is lower, it is specially programmed, in case it doesn’t destroy, it will kick up the rocket noticeably, so that it even misses with pieces.
        1. psiho117 23 November 2019 01: 52 New
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          The Israelis say that it’s precisely the cumulative honeycombs on the surface.
          Quote: Saxahorse
          detonation is lower, it is specially programmed in case it doesn’t destroy, then it kicks the rocket up significantly
          this is to minimize the damage to the infantry accompanying the tank. And precisely because of this factor, they abandoned the GGE in their product.
      2. Nikolaevich I 23 November 2019 10: 59 New
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        Quote: psiho117
        Not a shock wave, but a bunch of cumulative jets (or cores?

        As I understood it, a "bunch of shock nuclei" ... So, the lining should be!
    2. Nikolaevich I 23 November 2019 10: 56 New
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      Quote: Saxahorse
      The most interesting solution for the Israeli Iron First looks like a shellless ammunition destroying ATGM shock wave. We should also work in this direction.

      In this case, I can’t agree with you! As I understand it, the attacking PT ammunition is struck by a bunch of “shock nuclei” when the protective ammunition of the Israeli KAZ is fired ...
      1. Saxahorse 23 November 2019 20: 33 New
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        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        In this case, I can’t agree with you! As I understand it, the attacking PT ammunition is hit by a bunch of “shock nuclei”

        Where did you see the bunches here?


        Normal blasting. The shock wave right under your side is no joke without any “beams”.
        1. Nikolaevich I 24 November 2019 04: 08 New
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          Quote: Saxahorse
          Where did you see the bunches here?

          In the "brief descriptions" of the Israeli KAZ Trophy, the most discussed "in the world" of the Israeli KAZ ... You bring the "performance characteristics" of the Israeli KAZ Iron Fist! "Fedot, not that one!" By the way, in other comments, it is Trophy that is meant, judging by the meaning ... You "struck the bells, looking at the holy calendar ..." The Israelis equip their Merkava tanks, intended for participation in hostilities, with the KAZ Trophy "! Iron Fist was not taken into service by the IDF ... only the possibility of equipping armored personnel carriers is currently being considered! They have an interest in Iron Fist in the USA and in some other NATO countries, but this KAZ did not participate in battles!
          1. Saxahorse 24 November 2019 18: 59 New
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            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            In the "brief descriptions" of the Israeli KAZ Trophy,

            Well, sorry. :) People can and confuse but I'm talking about an interesting scheme used by Iron Fist. For some reason, such ammunition seems more reliable in terms of the destruction of ATGMs than buckshot.
            1. Nikolaevich I 25 November 2019 04: 01 New
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              Apologies are accepted ! hi To me personally, this method does not seem reliable ... relatively low-speed PT ammunition (with low kinetic energy ...) will be “susceptible to such ammunition.” Against high-speed PT ammunition with high kinetic energy, the effectiveness of Iron Fist protective ammunition can turn out to be very insufficient ... By the way, in Germany, the ADS system was developed to protect armored vehicles, especially light ones ... In this system (KAZ), high-explosive protective munitions are also used without the formation of fragments (ideally ...) .. . Moreover, there is used, according to the statement, a "directed" explosion. For example, I imagine this, approximately, as an explosion of MON-50 (MON-100/200) without fragments ...
              1. Saxahorse 26 November 2019 00: 31 New
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                Quote: Nikolaevich I
                Such ammunition will be “susceptible” to relatively low-speed ammunition (with low kinetic energy ...). Against high-velocity ammunition with high kinetic energy, the effectiveness of the protective ammunition “Iron Fist” may be very insufficient ...

                This is precisely the moment that interested me. Let me put another short movie.

                In this video, at the very beginning, at the 8th second, he hits BOPS. Even if it does not completely destroy the target with a shock wave, it will either deploy it or push it off the trajectory. No buckshot can.
                1. Nikolaevich I 26 November 2019 02: 25 New
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                  Quote: Saxahorse
                  In this video, at the very beginning, at the 8th second, he hits BOPS. Even if it does not completely destroy the target with a shock wave, it will either deploy it or push it off the trajectory. No buckshot can.

                  Thank you for the opportunity to watch this video ... it was interesting! In my comments, I did not completely reject the possibility (effectiveness) of the use of protective ammunition, as in Iron Fist; but he expressed doubts that the effectiveness of Iron Fist would be sufficient in all the “circumstances” that threaten armored vehicles! As they say, "home calculations often do not agree with the market price ..."! Even if KAZ protected the tank from BOPS of one certain type, this does not mean that it will be quite effective against all types of BOPS ... But BOPS ... they are "all"! wink. It is possible to take into account the “fact” that BOPS, like any kinetic projectile, gradually loses its energy with increasing firing distance. And to "overcome this shortcoming" develop: 1. active-reactive "hypersonic" shells, in which the rocket engine can turn on when the shell approaches the target and the "hypersound" is reached near the target ... at the same time, the kinetic energy of such a projectile can exceed the energy of a "standard" BOPS at the time of departure trunk; 2. PPS ... EFP ... "nuclear strike" ammunition that worked at a certain distance to the target ... (currently studies are underway to create EFP-ammunition, "self-forming" penetrators of a given shape, including the formation of plumage, which will significantly increase the effective range of the use of "shock-nuclear" PT-ammunition.); 3. the use of "heavy" armor-piercing caliber shells with a "core" ...
                  4. According to the test results, any developer will try to demonstrate the "frames" of the most successful tests ... and try to hide the statistics of unsuccessful ...
                2. psiho117 26 November 2019 16: 35 New
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                  Quote: Saxahorse
                  In this video, at the very beginning, at the 8th second, he hits BOPS

                  Not sure if this is BOPS.
                  For several reasons:
                  First - what is the torch in the tail?
                  2) - the speed of the "crowbar" relative to the KAZ submunition should be several times higher, especially on the oncoming ones.
                  3) - Where are the fragments? At the speed that this figovina flew, after undermining, we had to observe in the left part of the picture, a cone of rotating debris. They are not there, there is only a bright explosion (at the same time, the explosion is much brighter than when the grenade was hit by an RPG).

                  Conclusion - this is not BOPS. This is some kind of high-speed simulator, such as a 70mm aviation NAR. Most likely, the reaction of the complex was tested for high-speed targets.
                  1. Saxahorse 26 November 2019 23: 05 New
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                    Quote: psiho117
                    First - what is the torch in the tail?
                    2) - the speed of the "crowbar" relative to the KAZ submunition should be several times higher, especially on the oncoming ones.

                    So they look.



                    And yes, the BOPS video is four times faster than an intercepting projectile. Try to look in slow motion.
  15. Vladimir_2U 22 November 2019 05: 50 New
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    "Arena-M on the side armor plates of the tower" ... As far as I remember, in the range of metal rolling a sheet thicker than 10mm is no longer a sheet, but a plate, this is not counting the 72-tower cast, except for the roof. But with the article, although not completely, I agree.
  16. Stepych 22 November 2019 07: 41 New
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    it is necessary to send a few pieces to Syria for baptism of fire, and identify deficiencies, so that not all tanks have time to upgrade to T-72B3, so then not to fix the jambs
  17. looker-on 22 November 2019 11: 18 New
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    they waited for the Americans to arm themselves with Jewish defenses, and then we are, isn’t it strange?

    Well, as if only in plans. Massovo Abrams have not yet skated with KAZ Israel
    1. Herman 4223 22 November 2019 19: 51 New
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      Last year they wrote that the re-equipment began. If I’m not mistaken, three hundred tanks in Europe should have been protected.
  18. looker-on 22 November 2019 19: 59 New
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    Last year they wrote that the re-equipment began. If I’m not mistaken, three hundred tanks in Europe should have been protected.

    There are plans. The fact of the start of execution and real tanks - not yet. And you can link where it is in Europe 300 hundred US Army Abrams? Who is their operator?
  19. Miron 23 November 2019 11: 39 New
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    Regarding cluster munitions descending at an angle of 90% (by parachute), no one forbade them to simply leave. After all, a tank is not a blank standing still.
    And Javelin and his analogues remain. But this is a separate issue.
  20. Vol4ara 23 November 2019 22: 39 New
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    Quote: Alexey G
    That is, we can’t plop into Abrash and Merkava from above? For example, from a hillock, or from a 5-story building in Syria? Can't jump from a helicopter or cover with a hurricane? We can’t even go there to launch a rocket from a trunk channel for 5 km ??? How so?

    Very simple, they have javelins, but we don’t have one. And imagine that they don’t need either hillocks or high-rise buildings.
    1. Alexey G 24 November 2019 11: 31 New
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      And about the Krasnopol missile for self-propelled guns Mst 152 mm did not hear ???
      1. Vol4ara 24 November 2019 13: 10 New
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        Quote: Alexey G
        And about the Krasnopol missile for self-propelled guns Mst 152 mm did not hear ???

        Have you heard about tactical nuclear charges? Or is it a melee weapon worn by infantry on his shoulder? Will you call me an analogue of a javelin that can hit armored vehicles in the roof, in the dead zone for all kaz, without additional radar and firing traps? We can continue to wriggle further like that, dragging land and mines here from the air, but the infantry simply does not have an equipped kaz with effective means of hitting armored vehicles.
        1. Alexey G 24 November 2019 13: 17 New
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          Funny to compare a self-propelled gun with a tactical missile? In my opinion it is not correct. Self-propelled guns are weapons of direct combat and the fight against tanks is one of its main tasks, as is the fight against infantry! For example, there is a Krasnopol with a high explosive charge, just in terms of manpower with javelins!
        2. Alexey G 24 November 2019 13: 27 New
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          "Krasnopol" - 152 or 155 mm calibrated artillery ammunition. Designed to destroy armored targets and military targets from the first shot. Correction is performed by aerodynamic rudders at the end of the flight according to the laser mark on the target. To increase the firing range, the projectile has a jet engine or a bottom gas generator. Developed aerodynamic surfaces provide planning for the goal, increasing range and reducing restrictions on cloud height.

          It is designed to fight tanks!
    2. Alexey G 24 November 2019 11: 44 New
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      And why do we need Javelin if we have Hashim RPG32?
      1. Vol4ara 24 November 2019 13: 11 New
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        Quote: Alexey G
        And why do we need Javelin if we have Hashim RPG32?

        Then, that hashim is an export option and then that it falls into the kaz zone, unlike the javelin
        1. Alexey G 24 November 2019 13: 22 New
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          laughing Arena also did not enter service for a long time, so what? We could put it at any convenient moment and the question is why didn’t we pose it? RPG 30 Hook breaks KAZ by firing 2 missiles, and Hashim is so powerful that even your notorious KAZ will not stop him, he will break the tank even if it has fired at a distance! You can throw Trophy and rafal in the trash ...
          But what will you do with your Javelin in the city if they shoot from the openings of houses with roofs or under a curtain of fire and smoke from above, when an attack from above will be simply impossible? Ask the good Russians Cornet or Hook or Hashim? They won’t give. But the RPG72 and RPG 30 are universal. Stick your nose out so you don’t get a little! Moreover, from Hashim, you can hammer a thermobaric according to the calculation of the foreman. Burn them in FIG. Here is a melee weapon. Reliable, efficient, modular ...
    3. riwas 25 November 2019 06: 36 New
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      There are still guided mortar mines that can hit the tank from above.
      We have a 120-mm “Face”, they have a 120-mm “Strix” and 82-mm “Merlin”.
      See my article:
      http://www.sinor.ru/~bukren12/asimm_otvet5.htm
  21. Alexey G 23 November 2019 22: 41 New
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    The author of the article, of course, well done, he cares about our troops correctly! But on the other hand, creating an invulnerable technique still does not work! I heard that the Javelins seem to have to be kept cold, since their missiles have a homing head that somehow deteriorates from the heat. So I think that before the 72x attack it is necessary to treat Amer from TOS Solntsepek, what is it called serving their infantry a hot dish, and only then let the tanks go and see how their javelins will shoot? I think like the famous M4 with interruptions. But seriously, comrades, then in a war there is no loss, Arena M be!
  22. Phoenix 6 December 2019 23: 35 New
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    There is an interview with the developer in the public domain, he directly says that Arena-m confidently protects od Javelin and Spike. The counter-ammunition has correction engines that display it, including in the direction of the ammunition attacking from above. A sensor for the upper hemisphere is accordingly available. This Article is not true.
  23. Gogia 13 December 2019 21: 59 New
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    Quote: Alekseev
    like a glass horseradish at a fool, before the first shelling

    Pancake! Amused !!! good laughing
    Modern ammunition - especially aviation and especially developed in the United States attack with utzglom 70-90 degrees. Maveric will be gone soon and will be replaced by missiles much more compact and more accurate and intelligent. If in the late 70s we with our KAZ were ahead of the rest, now with such a KAZ as now (I’ll put a candle for Shoigu, if Arena goes into the series) we can confidently fight the tank forces of African countries with a dry score. Against a technological enemy - the alignment will be different.
    I ask you not to throw KAKAKHAMI, but, comrade tactical builders, rather cut KAZ Armats and unify sets + provide for a hundred mortars to shell the upper blind cone. Although at the head of KRET there is such a “behind his satchel” that there is in my inexperienced opinion (my opinion may not coincide with the opinion of the site) and the prices are overpriced at times and cuts and so on.