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SAU "Ferdinand": shortcomings noted by the Germans

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65-ton self-propelled guns "Ferdinand" - one of the menacing weapons of the Nazis during the Second World War. Heavy self-propelled guns began to be produced in Germany after the Wehrmacht first felt on itself what the defeat on the Eastern Front is. The first Ferdinand ended up in the Nazi troops in the 1943 year, and this technique was to show itself in the battles on the Kursk Bulge.


A video is published on the Diodand Youtube channel, which tells about the experience of the German self-propelled guns Ferdinand in battles on the Kursk Bulge, as well as about the shortcomings of this armored vehicle. The German side itself testified to the shortcomings.

In the 1943 certificates of the year, it is noted that the fifth roller is heated due to the influence of exhaust gases, which ultimately led to the evaporation of the lubricant and an increase in the friction force.

It also talks about the weak point of Ferdinand - the area of ​​the rear drive shaft of the fan. On one of the armored vehicles after the battle, the Germans discovered a hole from an ammunition of 7,62 mm caliber. It is noted that the hole "did not lead to any negative consequences." The vulnerabilities of the self-propelled guns “Ferdinandov” include places of grilles above the radiator.

Details about the self-propelled guns "Ferdinand", issued by the Germans in the amount of 91 units, in the video:
Photos used:
archival German photo
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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 20 November 2019 18: 35
    +31
    91 Ferdinand was released .... and for comparison 2852 - ISU152 (St. John's Wort). The results of the Soviet military industry are impressive !!! hi Blessed Memory - To the Front Workers, who brought Our Victory closer! soldier
    Strong Health - Now Living! hi
    1. svp67
      svp67 20 November 2019 18: 47
      +19
      Quote: Hunter 2
      91 Ferdinand was released .... and for comparison 2852 - ISU152 (St. John's Wort). The results of the Soviet military industry are impressive !!!

      Unfortunately, these are different SPGs. "Ferdinand" is still an anti-tank self-propelled gun with a very powerful cannon, excellent sight and powerful armor protection
      And compare how many types of self-propelled guns were in Germany and this is only a small part of them
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 20 November 2019 18: 57
        +14
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Hunter 2
        91 Ferdinand was released .... and for comparison 2852 - ISU152 (St. John's Wort). The results of the Soviet military industry are impressive !!!

        Unfortunately, these are different SPGs. "Ferdinand" is still an anti-tank self-propelled gun with a very powerful cannon, excellent sight and powerful armor protection
        And compare how many types of self-propelled guns were in Germany and this is only a small part of them

        I agree with you hi Perhaps a comparison with - SU-100 is more appropriate, but even there, the numbers vary a lot! good
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 20 November 2019 20: 02
          +5
          Isu 122 with a long gun, rather.
      2. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 20 November 2019 19: 10
        +14
        Quote: Hunter 2
        91 Ferdinand was released .... and for comparison 2852 - ISU152 (St. John's wort)

        Ferdinands were made on the basis of the chassis for the "Tiger" (P). The tank did not go into production, so the chassis was "attached". Therefore, there is nothing to compare.
        1. iConst
          iConst 20 November 2019 20: 02
          +7
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          Ferdinand made on the basis of the chassis for the Tiger (P).

          Exactly so - the Porsche chassis for the Pz.Kpfw-VI Tiger that did not pass the competition were "utilized" for self-propelled guns.
          As far as I remember, there were no plans to release these monsters. But the Wehrmacht experienced a severe "hunger" in armored vehicles.
      3. Pecheneg
        Pecheneg 25 December 2019 08: 51
        +1
        This was the problem of the Germans - a huge amount of various equipment, but after all during the war the unification of technology was the key to more successful operation and maintenance.
  2. Lexus
    Lexus 20 November 2019 18: 40
    +15
    On the Kursk Bulge, the main disadvantage of the Elephant was a malfunction of the electric transmission and the Il-2 with PTAB.
    1. svp67
      svp67 20 November 2019 18: 56
      +10
      Quote: lexus
      On the Kursk Bulge, the main disadvantage of the Elephant was a malfunction of the electric transmission and the Il-2 with PTAB.

      To this can also be added frequent engine fires due to overheating
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 20 November 2019 19: 09
        +9
        It's summertime. Naturally.
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 20 November 2019 19: 21
      +7
      Quote: lexus
      IL-2 with PTAB.

      In general, the combat experience of the use of the PTAB showed that, on average, tank losses of up to 15% of the total number that were hit were achieved in cases where for every 10 — 20 tanks there was a detachment of forces around 3 — 5 of Il-2 groups (six machines in each group), which acted one after the other or two at a time.
      For example, a special commission that examined military equipment in the region north of the 1 Ponyri and the height of 238,1 found that “out of 44 tanks killed and destroyed [by Soviet aviation] only five were victims of bombers (the result of a direct hit by FAB-100 or FAB-250) the rest are attack aircraft. On examination of the enemy’s tanks and assault guns, it was possible to determine that PTAB inflicted damage to the tank, after which it could not be restored. As a result of the fire, all the equipment is destroyed, the armor gets fired and loses its protective properties, and the explosion of ammunition completes the destruction of the tank ... "
      The high efficiency of the PTAB action against armored vehicles received a completely unexpected confirmation. In the offensive zone of the 380th rifle division of the Bryansk front in the area of ​​the village of Podmaslovo, our tank company by mistake came under attack from its Il-2 attack aircraft. As a result, one T-34 tank was completely destroyed from a direct hit by PTAB: it was broken "into several parts." A special commission working on site recorded "around the tank ... seven funnels, as well as ... locking forks from PTAB-2,5-1,5. [Media = https: //topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2012- 10 / 1349941772_FlAPz154.jpg]
    3. hohol95
      hohol95 21 November 2019 16: 52
      +1
      It turns out Soviet sappers and artillerymen, foot soldiers, you do not take into account?
      The most terrible enemy of Ferdinand was the Soviet sappers. 10 vehicles were blown up on landmines and landmines, including self-propelled guns with tail number 501. This self-propelled gun with serial number 150072 turned out to be the machine of Oberleutnant Hans-Joachim Wilde, commander of the 1st battery (5./654) of the 654th division of heavy tank destroyers.
      5 "Ferdinands" got hit by shells in the chassis and were disabled. Another 2 cars got hit in the chassis, and in the guns. Machine with tail number 701 was the victim of Soviet artillery. The shell, which fell along the hinged path into the roof of the cabin, broke through the hatch and exploded inside the fighting compartment. Another bomb hit the bomb, which completely destroyed the wheelhouse. Finally, the car with tail number II-01 from the headquarters of the 654th division was destroyed by the Soviet infantry. Accurate hit of a Molotov cocktail caused a fire, the crew burned inside.
      In fact, the losses of the divisions that were armed with the Ferdinand were even higher. In total, during the operation "Citadel" 39 self-propelled units of this type were irretrievably lost.

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  3. alien308
    alien308 20 November 2019 19: 37
    +2
    How many ferdinands on the Kursk arc were irreversibly lost? Different numbers in different sources.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 20 November 2019 20: 03
      +4
      And how many tanks did they beat?
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev 20 November 2019 22: 02
      +2
      Quote: alien308
      How many ferdinands on the Kursk arc were irreversibly lost? Different numbers in different sources.

      Quote: Zaurbek
      And how many tanks did they beat?

      Now, 75 years after the end of the WWII battles, no one will tell you exactly.
      It was then that, as in all warriors, the parties exaggerated the losses of the enemy in their reports.
      We can only say for sure that both heavy German tanks and self-propelled guns were dangerous opponents.
      This is confirmed by both historical documents and testimonies of the participants in the battles.
      But neither the Tigers nor Ferdinands were miraculous weapons, and the German tankers knew this very well. In 1943, and especially in 1944-45. heavy German armored vehicles were successfully hit by the 100-mm BS-3, the 122-mm IS-2 D-25 cannon, and the 85-mm T-34-85 cannon penetrated the Tiger's frontal armor (100 mm) up to 1000 m. 152-mm "St. John's wort" Su-152 (ISu-152), possessing the most powerful ammunition weighing more than 40 kg, still did not have a PTS due to the low rate of fire and the relatively short range of a direct shot. And the relatively light anti-tank gun ZiS-2 also pierced 100 mm of armor with a sub-caliber projectile ...
      A combat episode is typical, which was told to me by a participant in the fighting in Hungary in 1945, then the gunner of the IS-2.
      The tiger has already set fire to two thirty-fours, and then IS-2 from the 6th Guards appeared on the firing position. TA.
      The German on the Tiger, in the first place, did not seek to hit the heavy tank, but tried to back off into cover, but failed ... A heavy 122-mm shell broke through the side. The crew of the Tiger died; among the corpses, the body of the Hauptmann was discovered, i.e. enough experienced warriors ...
  4. rumpeljschtizhen
    rumpeljschtizhen 20 November 2019 23: 11
    +1
    A weapon so formidable .... and it was extremely difficult to destroy ... What became a household name in Russian ....
    1. novel66
      novel66 21 November 2019 07: 31
      +1
      not always ... there were examples ..
  5. NF68
    NF68 21 November 2019 17: 00
    -1
    Overdid Porsche. Too much weight. From this a lot of problems arose.
    1. Grossvater
      Grossvater 22 November 2019 14: 53
      0
      I’m afraid that this is not a mistake of the designer, but of the customer. The tiger, in general, ruined the requirement of equal strength armor on all sides. By the way, in this sense, Ferdinand was more thoughtful. Forehead 200, side 80. True for a tank destroyer, 100 mm of forehead and 40 mm of side would be enough.
      1. NF68
        NF68 22 November 2019 16: 46
        0
        Quote: Grossvater
        М


        Reservations could be enhanced by installing armor plates at an angle to the vertical. Porsche decided to strengthen the booking "head-on".
    2. Pecheneg
      Pecheneg 25 December 2019 08: 57
      0
      I still do not understand why the Germans did not use inclined armor, because this could reduce the total weight of armored vehicles, thereby reducing the load on the chassis, transmission and engine. Still, they were not the most intelligent designers and engineers, since they could not introduce inclined armor and a diesel engine. Thank God that they could not.
  6. Grossvater
    Grossvater 22 November 2019 14: 50
    +1
    Given the circumstances of the creation, there were no particular flaws. The chassis is already ready, a hundred guns and a thousand tons of armor (for the forehead and the cabin itself) did not make much weather. Than throwing, better so.
    By the number of wrecked Soviet tanks, I'm afraid that a lot. The relief near Kursk is flat. Looks from afar. If you do not force him to ride, then the weapon is terrible.