Bundeswehr ordered a batch of Israeli Spike-LR ATGMs and missiles for them

Bundeswehr ordered a batch of Israeli Spike-LR ATGMs and missiles for them

The German Bundeswehr ordered a large batch of Israeli anti-tank missiles Spike, as well as launchers for them, follows from a press release published on 18 this November, writes portal janes.com.


As follows from the published information, the German Ministry of Defense ordered 1500 anti-tank missiles and “a hundred” launchers for them under the previously signed agreement of the Bundeswehr with an Israeli company for the supply of 11 500 missiles and 214 launchers for several years. Details of the agreement are not given. It is also not known in what configuration these complexes will be delivered - for use by infantry or for installation on armored vehicles.

The supply will be carried out by a joint venture of EuroSpike GmbH, organized by the Israeli company Rafael and the German companies Diehl Defense and Rheinmetall Electronics for the production of Spike. Complexes and missiles for them will be assembled in Germany.

In the Bundeswehr, this complex was called MELLS (Mehrrollenfähiges Leichtes Lenk fl ugkörpersystem) - the Israeli anti-tank missile system Spike-LR, assembled in Germany by a joint venture EuroSpike GmbH.

It should be noted that the MELLS ATGM in Germany has been used for a long time. This complex is installed on the German Marder 1A5 infantry fighting vehicles. The contract for the integration of the MELLS ATGM (Spike-LR) on the Marder BMP with the aim of modernizing and extending the service life of the latter was concluded at the end of the 2016 year. Two upgraded infantry fighting vehicles successfully passed tests in the first half of the 2017 year.

In December of the 2017 of the year, Rheinmetall delivered to the Bundeswehr the 44 of the MELLS production kits that the 35 machines are currently equipped with.

Also, the new German Puma BMP should be equipped with the MELLS complex, although, according to a number of sources, the actual serial equipment of the Puma combat vehicles with this complex is expected only by the 2024-2025 years.
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  1. Honest Citizen 20 November 2019 15: 36 New
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    Sometimes it seems to me that the world has gone crazy.
    Jews supply the Germans with weapons.
    Well then shoot discussions about the Holocaust and return the Germans demanded from them for the Holocaust.
    PySy. Although yes, business, nothing personal.
    1. Magic archer 20 November 2019 15: 48 New
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      And the Germans did gesheft in the form of submarines wink so this is a win-win business. And yes, Spike is a good rocket ... That would obviously not hurt us
    2. Siberia 75 20 November 2019 15: 49 New
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      Citizen A. Shiklgruber, bitten devils from hell tongue
      1. knn54 20 November 2019 16: 08 New
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        The 1952 reparation agreement signed by the government of Konrad Adenauer contributed to the economic survival of Israel in the Middle East.
    3. marshes 20 November 2019 15: 51 New
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      Quote: Honest Citizen
      Jews supply the Germans with weapons.

      GHA-9, Uzi's working weapon, even before the Munich Olympics.
      To the ramp NK-7, while the British are known to use it.
    4. Aaron Zawi 20 November 2019 15: 58 New
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      Quote: Honest Citizen
      Sometimes it seems to me that the world has gone crazy.
      Jews supply the Germans with weapons.
      Well then shoot discussions about the Holocaust and return the Germans demanded from them for the Holocaust.
      PySy. Although yes, business, nothing personal.

      And the Russians supply weapons to the Turks and Chinese. Who could imagine this in 69?
      1. marshes 20 November 2019 16: 05 New
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        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        And the Russians supply weapons to the Turks and Chinese. Who could imagine this in 69?

        So the Russians and in 69, all that they asked for was postulated.
    5. Professor 20 November 2019 16: 11 New
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      Quote: Honest Citizen
      Sometimes it seems to me that the world has gone crazy.
      Jews supply the Germans with weapons.
      Well then shoot discussions about the Holocaust and return the Germans demanded from them for the Holocaust.
      PySy. Although yes, business, nothing personal.

      ... and the Russian word "pogrom" has entered all the languages ​​of the world and does not need a translation. Suggest starting revenge?

      In general, the contract is serious.
      https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/337924.html
      1. lucul 20 November 2019 16: 17 New
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        and the Russian word "pogrom" has entered all the languages ​​of the world and does not need a translation.

        Yes, yes, yes - you are at the door, and they are at the window ....
        If there were serious pogroms, we would leave Russia, but here you are smeared with honey ....
        1. Aaron Zawi 20 November 2019 16: 36 New
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          Quote: lucul
          and the Russian word "pogrom" has entered all the languages ​​of the world and does not need a translation.

          Yes, yes, yes - you are at the door, and they are at the window ....
          If there were serious pogroms, we would leave Russia, but here you are smeared with honey ....

          There were very few Jews in Russia before the 1915 year, i.e., before the forced evacuation. Outside the Pale of Settlement, only merchants of the first and second guilds, doctors, and soldiers who served in the army were allowed to live with their families.
          1. lucul 20 November 2019 16: 38 New
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            There were very few Jews in Russia before the 1915 year, i.e., before the forced evacuation. Outside the Pale of Settlement, only merchants of the first and second guilds, doctors, and soldiers who served in the army were allowed to live with their families.

            So I do not argue ...
            Only after 50 years did you end up here - whole MILLIONS.
            Are you out there - by budding multiply at such a speed then? )))
            1. Aaron Zawi 20 November 2019 16: 59 New
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              Quote: lucul
              There were very few Jews in Russia before the 1915 year, i.e., before the forced evacuation. Outside the Pale of Settlement, only merchants of the first and second guilds, doctors, and soldiers who served in the army were allowed to live with their families.

              So I do not argue ...
              Only after 50 years did you end up here - whole MILLIONS.
              Are you out there - by budding multiply at such a speed then? )))

              In 1989, 540tys Jews lived in the RSFSR. According to the latest census, 140tys Jews lived in Russia. Where are the MILLIONS? Return the Jews.
              1. marshes 20 November 2019 17: 12 New
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                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                In 1989, 540tys Jews lived in the RSFSR. According to the latest census, 140tys Jews lived in Russia. Where are the MILLIONS? Return the Jews.

                And the number of Jews in Israel has increased by how much. Moreover, the Jews began to change their nationality a little later in their metrics.
              2. Demon_is_ada 20 November 2019 22: 01 New
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                Aron, everything is much sadder than Jews billions on the planet, and everything would be fine, only they rewrite metrics not only on paper, but also in the head recourse Do you believe in the resurrection of Yeshua? I no, I don’t believe in God ... I know something bully Knowing and believing is not the same thing ... So back to the resurrection ... from a technical point of view it is quite possible, since the cells are still very functional for a very long time, from a scientific point of view, death, in our understanding, is only partial loss of functions and nothing more ... If you turn off your computer on which you write nonsense, this does not mean at all that your computer has died laughing The question is what makes a colony of independent cells, what actually is a person to work as it should? Probably democracy, intended laughing And if you think about why the deceased is buried among Christians on the third day, then the probability of revival is understandable ... but for the Jews right away, and the sooner the better ... Do not you find this frenzied atisemitism?
                1. Klingon 20 November 2019 23: 56 New
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                  in the 90s, it became fashionable to believe in God. it’s just disgusting to look at praying officials and D'effective managers and also at priests with a censer on the runway and the cosmodrome
                2. kiril1246 21 November 2019 03: 11 New
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                  Quote: Demon_is_ada
                  The question is what causes a colony of independent cells, which is actually a person

                  Where do you buy what you smoke?
                  1. Demon_is_ada 21 November 2019 10: 03 New
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                    Cyril, you need to sleep at night, and not rummage through the forums and look for something to smoke ...
            2. Zeev Zeev 20 November 2019 17: 54 New
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              In fact, Russia itself seized territories with a large Jewish population. No one forced.
      2. Winnie76 20 November 2019 16: 30 New
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        Quote: Professor
        ... and the Russian word "pogrom" has entered all the languages ​​of the world and does not need a translation. Suggest starting revenge?

        Thunder - thunder, left - left, but does not become smaller. Something does not grow together with your logic. By the way, Khazin asked an interesting question here - why out of the six main oligarchs, five are Jews. Logically, it should be approximately proportional to the population. Are 83% of the population of the Russian Federation Jews?
        1. lucul 20 November 2019 16: 36 New
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          Logically, it should be approximately proportional to the population. Are 83% of the population of the Russian Federation Jews?

          Do you remember a Russian folk tale about a wolf and a fox? "The beaten is not beaten lucky" ....
        2. valeryb 21 November 2019 19: 51 New
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          Quote: Winnie76
          Logically, it should be approximately proportional to the population. Are 83% of the population of the Russian Federation Jews?
          But can you check how many Jews from Russia have received Nobel prizes? And not the Jews? And why? By logic.
          1. Winnie76 21 November 2019 19: 55 New
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            You suggested - you and check
            1. valeryb 21 November 2019 20: 10 New
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              Quote: Winnie76
              You suggested - you and check
              Even Ilya Ilyich Mechnikov. He too. And now, these, you, right by the directives of Zionism, are trying to send. And back, no matter how hard Medvedev is there, they do not go. Strange huh?
              1. Winnie76 21 November 2019 22: 19 New
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                Quote: valeryb
                Even Ilya Ilyich Mechnikov. He too

                He too what?
                Quote: valeryb
                And now, these, you, right by the directives of Zionism, are trying to send.

                What other directives of Zionism. Whom and where am I trying to send? What are you speaking about?
                Quote: valeryb
                And back, no matter how hard Medvedev is there, they do not go. Strange huh?

                To be honest, I don't care. They will come - well, they will not come - also not bad. And what Medvedev is alternatively gifted, so it has long been known
                1. valeryb 22 November 2019 00: 54 New
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                  Quote: Winnie76
                  He too what?
                  Hebrew, Winnie. Jew.
                  What other directives of Zionism.
                  Collect Jews in Israel, stop saying they’ll collect for the ungrateful Nobel. And you go there, an accomplice of Zionism appears, considers interest.
                  Quote: Winnie76
                  And what Medvedev is alternatively gifted, so it has long been known
                  I don’t know who knows this, but they voted for him who knows. Yes, how they voted.
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    9. pru-pavel 20 November 2019 21: 52 New
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      And if you knew that the sonderkommandy of gas chambers often consisted of Jews. You probably say that it was not the Germans who killed the Jews, but the Jews themselves who killed the Jews and they themselves are to blame. Your logic is of course on the level.
  2. Nycomed 20 November 2019 15: 49 New
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    Instead of leaving Israel alone and letting them deal with, say, medical technology, so that they can save lives. Instead, they are “bent” in order to “.ayatOllam” to show “Kuzkin’s mother”. Have how many times have shown. Is the memory short? It is necessary to the doctor. request
  3. Vladimir_2U 20 November 2019 15: 53 New
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    You read about such cooperation, and it becomes clear that rolling the United States into a thin pancake is not enough. In this case, the pancake will be slightly thicker of us, but the smaller “partners” will be completely alive and well: Poles, Romanians, all kinds of Hungarians, “neutrals” from the north-west, from the south, from the east. And everything is completely with weapons, and what they themselves do not know how to do, the same Jews will deliver inexpensively.
    1. Lord of the Sith 20 November 2019 16: 01 New
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      That's just it, those like jackals in a flock got lost, and Russia has the Army and Navy from its allies, and of course the air force and strategic missile forces soldier
      1. Vladimir_2U 20 November 2019 16: 05 New
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        Without nuclear weapons, we have nothing to catch. ((
    2. rocket757 20 November 2019 16: 41 New
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      To talk about “rolling out” a vigorous power is somehow ... strange probably.
      1. Vladimir_2U 20 November 2019 17: 46 New
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        I mean, even if it turns out to roll out the United States with a retaliatory strike, doh ... ra and more will remain whole and unscathed haters of Russia with big arsenals. Therefore extinguishes TNW need all! In case of the worst case scenario, naturally.
        1. rocket757 20 November 2019 17: 57 New
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          It’s possible for everyone, only for us, for striped it will be all the same .... by the way, the infected area will be of no interest to anyone for quite some time!
        2. NordOst16 20 November 2019 18: 02 New
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          This is the defectiveness of our army and foreign policy. For the hope is only of nuclear weapons in the event of a conflict with a more or less developed enemy. And in the outside - we do not have allies with a strong economy and advanced technologies. These partners are either allies of the United States or China, and this is a dubious ally.
          1. Vladimir_2U 21 November 2019 03: 22 New
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            This is an objective reality, now the US population is larger than it was in the Union, plus England, Germany, France and Japan. And the point is not the weakness of the economy and foreign policy (although there is something), it is a matter of the enormous aggregate superiority of the Anglo-Saxon world and their henchmen. Under the Soviet Union, there was at least a powerful moboeconomics and a more or less solidarity society, now only hope for nuclear weapons.
            1. Same lech 21 November 2019 03: 24 New
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              the point is the enormous aggregate superiority of the Anglo-Saxon world and their henchmen.

              On the other hand, this entire set is easily reset to zero by a hundred Sarmatians ... and this must be taken into account.
              1. Dmitry Vinner 21 November 2019 07: 30 New
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                Even one Sarmatian launched from the territory of Russia will reset Russia itself. Didn’t you explain this? Then why write it? Show your pathological dullness?
                1. Demon_is_ada 21 November 2019 10: 11 New
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                  Pathological and genetic dullness is clearly not with your opponent. laughing , although it is in the air ... yeah ... Why do you have so much fart then tear to shreds? belay Are you worried about ours for us ??? Do not worry, live calmly, we are fatalists in fact, the most important thing is not to interfere with us with our sermons, and we ourselves laughing
                  1. Dmitry Vinner 21 November 2019 10: 25 New
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                    I'm happy for you. You have taken the name corresponding to your mind and psychology. I didn’t understand one thing. You yourself climbed into hell or drove you there.?
                    1. Demon_is_ada 21 November 2019 10: 50 New
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                      Oh zhezh ... what does it flatter you? I guess I guess you are probably from a people at war with God? wink
                      You are worried, do sedative little bells, eat vitamin ...
            2. NordOst16 21 November 2019 08: 40 New
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              That's what I think, maybe we are doing something wrong? I understand that we are sulking and trying to seem like a superpower (which we have not been for a long time). Maybe we should reconsider our views because for the world, roughly speaking, to follow us, we need to offer something to him. For example, a certain new idea, which in the first half of the last century was communism or the largest economy. But we have none of this and we have nothing to interest other people (and our own citizens). And if so, then maybe you should stretch the legs on the clothes?
              It seems to me that now is the period when it is worthwhile to establish ties with other states and learn to live in a world where there are superpowers, and you are not one of them.
              1. Demon_is_ada 21 November 2019 10: 07 New
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                Did you write about America so beautifully now? what
                1. NordOst16 21 November 2019 12: 06 New
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                  America now, with all its problems, things are much better with this than ours.
        3. mvmptzna 20 November 2019 21: 01 New
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          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          I mean, even if it turns out to roll out the United States with a retaliatory strike, doh ... ra and more will remain whole and unscathed haters of Russia with big arsenals. Therefore extinguishes TNW need all! In case of the worst case scenario, naturally.
          - That's what neither a Russian is a patriot. And what are the wet dreams of Russian patriots? That's right, the whole world is in ruins, and they will somehow be buried in Siberia somehow.
          The Russians do not understand in imperial fervor that they will not bomb Siberia precisely because, in the event of a global nuclear war, Russia will fight against all of humanity (even Germany had allies in World War II, Russia will not have that). And when Russia will inevitably be defeated, the remaining countries will move from the territories infected with Russian bombs to Siberia. Having cleared it previously from the remains of the Russians.
          1. Demon_is_ada 20 November 2019 22: 12 New
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            You don’t understand the idea ... well, there’s nothing to do now ... Well, we don’t need allies because of self-sufficiency, therefore we don’t need colonies ... How would we not need the rest "advanced (or moved?) ) to the progressive world, "but this world is anointed belay Everyone climbs and climbs in batches ... You still can’t imagine how tired it all was from millennium to millennium, all according to one scenario ... for most locals they already have a “burn with blue flame” condition laughing How did you get us ... we sit, do not touch anyone, fix the primus ...
            1. NordOst16 21 November 2019 08: 43 New
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              We ceased to be self-sufficient even under Peter 1. And even more so now, when we are slightly more dependent on the world than it is on us.
              Well, about peaceability - apparently due to this, the Russian Empire became the largest state of its era
          2. Vladimir_2U 21 November 2019 03: 26 New
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            You du ... crustacean? Russia doesn’t need a global war, but in order for your scenario to fail, it just requires the ability to roll out literally everyone and everyone should be in the know.
            1. mvmptzna 21 November 2019 09: 54 New
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              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              the ability to roll literally everyone

              - Even if Russia launches all of its missiles at once in all directions, they will not be enough to destroy everyone. But when the missiles fired from all over the world arrive, the Russians and the rest of Russia will come to an end. The rest will be finished out of revenge, by the whole world.
              But you continue to carry the "Russian world", and dream of greatness. Leopard change his spots.
  4. rocket757 20 November 2019 16: 38 New
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    . Bundeswehr ordered a batch of Israeli Spike-LR ATGMs and missiles for them

    But shaw, Israeli manufacturers rule! It’s cool that an advanced geyropa may turn out to be in such technological J-dependence ... or have forgotten how to do it quickly, efficiently and cheaply ???
  5. Gust 20 November 2019 16: 39 New
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    Nice complex and the contract is good. Why do we have brakes with Hermes? Smart people have already bought everything ..
  6. parkello 20 November 2019 17: 20 New
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    notice not Javelin, but Spike..it’s talking about something yes
    1. shahor 20 November 2019 17: 48 New
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      Quote: parkello
      notice not Javelin, but Spike .. e

      So Americans are trying on Spike on their Apache. Last summer they were shown shooting at Apache with a new missile at 32 km in Israel, and that's it. This summer, they themselves shot from Apache, including at a target behind a ridge. Five shots - 5 hits. Apparently, they will bet on Apache along with JAGM. Missiles with different guidance systems, you can shoot from one launcher, Apache will be a very formidable machine ...
  7. Saboteur Holuy 20 November 2019 17: 32 New
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    Excellent anti-tank systems. I think for the military protection of the columns to Iran just right, besides of course the Air Force
  8. Shahno 20 November 2019 17: 52 New
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    Quote: Honest Citizen
    Sometimes it seems to me that the world has gone crazy.
    Jews supply the Germans with weapons.
    Well then shoot discussions about the Holocaust and return the Germans demanded from them for the Holocaust.
    PySy. Although yes, business, nothing personal.

    Not. Better business than what we did in the last century. They considered the dead, but hid in the corners ..
  9. Shahno 20 November 2019 18: 11 New
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    Quote: NordOst16
    This is the defectiveness of our army and foreign policy. For the hope is only of nuclear weapons in the event of a conflict with a more or less developed enemy. And in the outside - we do not have allies with a strong economy and advanced technologies. These partners are either allies of the United States or China, and this is a dubious ally.

    The Israelis are not against allied relations. Only if without the manners of the sovereign, and without allusions to the Golan.
    Perhaps the time has not come yet ...
    1. Bukhalov 20 November 2019 18: 42 New
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      No one will receive Syria either our Golan. Yes, and Syria in understanding the integrity of the territory, sovereignty, the state of the economy, quite a while ago. There is trade about the future territorial structure of this state. The faster this happens, the faster everything stabilizes there.
  10. Bukhalov 20 November 2019 18: 16 New
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    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: lucul
    There were very few Jews in Russia before the 1915 year, i.e., before the forced evacuation. Outside the Pale of Settlement, only merchants of the first and second guilds, doctors, and soldiers who served in the army were allowed to live with their families.

    So I do not argue ...
    Only after 50 years did you end up here - whole MILLIONS.
    Are you out there - by budding multiply at such a speed then? )))

    In 1989, 540tys Jews lived in the RSFSR. According to the latest census, 140tys Jews lived in Russia. Where are the MILLIONS? Return the Jews.

    If we take into account that after 1992, those who repatriated to Israel, as a rule, retain Russian citizenship, then in reality in the Russian Federation now there are practically no Jews with only Russian citizenship left. This year, out of 29000 returnees, the largest number is in the Russian Federation. True, it is not entirely clear why this question was raised in the context of the article under discussion on the supply of Israeli weapons to Germany?
  11. Bukhalov 20 November 2019 18: 34 New
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    Quote: NordOst16
    This is the defectiveness of our army and foreign policy. For the hope is only of nuclear weapons in the event of a conflict with a more or less developed enemy. And in the outside - we do not have allies with a strong economy and advanced technologies. These partners are either allies of the United States or China, and this is a dubious ally.

    This is how to say it. Not everything is so straightforward. Russia, inferior to orders of magnitude in absolute figures of US and PRC GDP, per capita to several dozens of countries, plays the role of a "golden share" between the same states and China. And very skillfully uses it. With a defense budget of $ 70 billion, inferior to the US ten (ten Karl!) Times, it remains one of the leading geopolitical players. The locomotives of Europe - Germany and France, lose from sanctions, no less than the Russian Federation. Therefore, there is a very difficult game. In which the interests of the states do not always coincide with the interests of their European allies. This is mildly Goaorya. Against this background, tiny Israel has found its niche in the arms and high technology market. And also, despite the small size of the territory and population, it plays by no means the last role in this complex geopolitical party. The fact of a profitable and large arms supply contract with Germany confirms that we are firmly on our feet. For the first time in the history of Israel, he has excellent relations with the Russian Federation. And with Germany, after the Second World War, they were never bad. Even the GDR is a faithful satellite of the USSR, having driven 17 MIG-23 to Syria during the Yom Kippur War, ordered its military pilots not to take part in hostilities. It is a pity that the article does not contain TX weapons supplied to the Germans, as a result of which the comments immediately went into the discussion of the "Jewish question".
  12. Bukhalov 20 November 2019 18: 48 New
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    Quote: Shahno
    Quote: Honest Citizen
    Sometimes it seems to me that the world has gone crazy.
    Jews supply the Germans with weapons.
    Well then shoot discussions about the Holocaust and return the Germans demanded from them for the Holocaust.
    PySy. Although yes, business, nothing personal.

    Not. Better business than what we did in the last century. They considered the dead, but hid in the corners ..

    Quite right, totally agree. Zionism solved all our problems. It is a pity that this is not understood by individual commentators on VO. They live in the past. It all seems to them that you can destroy Israel (there are a lot of recipes), drive the Jews to Birobidzhan, and even better beyond the Arctic Circle, return state anti-Semitism to the USSR, disguised as a fight against Zionism. But the only thing left for the sick people to do was to put the Jews and the sympathizers of Israel on the VO website only minuses.
  13. mvmptzna 20 November 2019 20: 48 New
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    Cool, cho. keep it up good
  14. Lena Petrova 20 November 2019 21: 25 New
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    Quote: mvmptzna
    And when Russia will inevitably be defeated, the remaining countries will move from the territories infected with Russian bombs to Siberia. Having cleared it previously from the remains of the Russians.

    It's time for the resettlement of the "remaining countries" in the Siberian taiga - Epiphany frosts. The process will go briskly, without delay. How much do you plan to resettle? There is not much infrastructure.
    1. mvmptzna 20 November 2019 22: 36 New
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      Quote: Lena Petrova
      It's time for the resettlement of the "remaining countries" in the Siberian taiga - Epiphany frosts. The process will go briskly, without delay. How much do you plan to resettle? There is not much infrastructure.
      - No, not yet time, it's not worth the rush. It all depends on how soon Russia begins a nuclear war. And she will begin, everyone understands this, and your master has already said that, they say, without Russia, “we” (the owners — they are always responsible for all the lackeys at once), the world is not needed, that “we” will go to heaven; getting ready means talking.
      And what about the frosts, there will be more of them in Canada, in Alaska, and in the Scandinavian countries, which did not prevent to rebuild the very infrastructure. The countries of the first world, they are like that - even in the countries of the third they will create a good life. And in the Siberian taiga they will create; they will take revenge, clear the taiga of the remnants of the Russians - and create it. After stripping, the process will go briskly.
      1. Lena Petrova 21 November 2019 08: 34 New
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        I remember that the destroyers of Russia were already given the opportunity to participate in improving the Siberian infrastructure. - Rus, give me a smoke! - In Perm, after the 45th year, there was the most common phrase of these annihilators. Father did not refuse. Good soul.
        But before the Urals, there are also good places to improve. Vorkuta, for example.
        And yes, right in Alaska. In Ukraine. These nuances give you a resident of the western regions nezalezhnoy.
        Good luck!
        1. mvmptzna 21 November 2019 09: 46 New
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          Quote: Lena Petrova
          Father did not refuse. Good soul.
          - I was a flyer, I understand. Like their ancestors, at first it was easy to cuddle with neighbors and denounce them at night, then it was easy to cuddle with the Nazis dividing Europe, and then it was just as easy to cuddle with the Americans getting the stew and planes on a land-lens, and also mine backs to shoot from detachments; one word - opportunists.
          Here your ancestors could imagine themselves in different roles, they well knew the price of soviet propaganda. But for your generation, it seems difficult to imagine yourself in the place of defeated fascist Germany. Because - "and us for what?"
          Here the Germans believed that they could bring the whole world to their knees, those were still Imperials, but the Russians, it seems, do not learn from their mistakes. Learn from your own.
          1. Lena Petrova 21 November 2019 16: 53 New
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            The father spent the whole war a kid sharpening shells at a military factory. 12 hours each.
            And yes, - "but what for us?" - this is certainly not Russian folklore.
            We are waiting for people like you to “teach” us, Russians.