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Honored pilot commented on statements in the US on the inability of the Russian Federation to produce high-quality aircraft

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Recently, materials have openly been published in the American media that openly discredit the Russian military aircraft industry. Of course, there are enough problems in the industry, but American publications are not at all like balanced criticism or an attempt to present an objective analysis. In general, the US media flow towards the Russian aviation industry is more like a frank “black” PR, which is aimed primarily at promoting the unfair competition in the world arms market from the United States itself.


Statements by American experts that the Russian aircraft industry is allegedly incapable of creating competitive, high-quality aircraft, commented Honored Pilot of Russia Yuri Sytnik, representative of the All-Russian Public Organization Russian Officers, for Military Review.

According to the expert, the task of the US media is simple: to denigrate, at every opportunity, the Russian fifth-generation fighter Su-57, promoting its F-35 on the world market. To overcome this American pressure, Russia needs to work on improving its latest fighter

Yuri Sytnik:

Need to bring the aircraft to perfection. So that none of the potential customers have any questions for the Su-57. You also need to work on such an important element as after-sales service.

According to the honored pilot of Russia, so far there is nothing wrong with the fact that the Russian Su-57 is not ordered by foreign countries for the needs of its Air Force.

Yuri Sytnik:

There is nothing wrong with that. The plane is still at the stage of a kind of refinement. While this model is being tested, tests are ongoing. Military pilots identify flaws that exist in any new product, so the refinement process from the start of testing can stretch for 3-5 years. Then you can expect the first contracts.
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  1. Honest Citizen
    Honest Citizen 20 November 2019 14: 33 New
    +32
    To overcome this American pressure, Russia needs to work on improving its latest fighter

    And not only this. It is necessary at the world level to simply "lower" the striped with their products. Especially with their Patriot PRO. Well, do not forget about the penguin.
    1. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 20 November 2019 14: 36 New
      +15
      The result will show whose plane will be better and better, and I doubt that the American will be in the lead.
      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 20 November 2019 14: 52 New
        +5
        Quote: tomket
        Well, actually, no one ordered the MiG-31 either. Is this bad for us? I don’t think. There are some categories of weapons, before selling which you need to think ten times.

        Raised the comment to which I will join higher.

        The Americans do not need the F35 to defend their own country for nothing.
        Therefore, they sell this pepelats hundreds. However, like f-16.

        Americans do not sell strategic bombers.

        We have other tasks. We have neighbors Russophobia on all borders.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 20 November 2019 15: 13 New
          +11
          "The Americans F35 for the defense of their own country is not needed for nothing" ////
          -----
          They buy 2700 F-35 for themselves and approximately 1500 expect to sell.
          1. VO3A
            VO3A 20 November 2019 16: 09 New
            +3
            Let them buy it. But only the plans for 2020 have been adjusted and suggest a 50% reduction from the earlier planned purchase ... So 2700 may not work out in the end ... It's a pity, let them buy this computer toy more .... And more often, let “Windu” re-install on it more often or pour coffee on “clauda” more often ...
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 20 November 2019 16: 14 New
              +5
              "let them buy more of this computer toy" ////
              ----
              You precisely defined it - a computer toy! laughing Dissect ...
              The next step in aviation is unmanned computer toy fighters.
              Here will be a laugh for real! smile
              1. Vladimir16
                Vladimir16 20 November 2019 16: 42 New
                +6
                Quote: voyaka uh
                They buy 2700 F-35 for themselves and approximately 1500 expect to sell.

                To protect the country, the Americans do not need these aircraft, because there is no one to attack them.
                Canada or Mexicans threaten?
                Can the north and south again wet each other? laughing
                It would be funny ...
                With nuclear weapons, in the case of a large sheer, these aircraft will not be needed.
                Why do the Yankees need 2700 aircraft? winked
                So that involved in the budget people involved. wink
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 20 November 2019 17: 08 New
                  +2
                  The rich have their own quirks laughing
                  They want a lot of planes - they rivet like pies ...
                  1. Cottodraton
                    Cottodraton 21 November 2019 04: 23 New
                    0
                    ... they want to bomb someone, they will bomb, especially if the profit from this will be from 50% ... oh, these rich with their quirks ...
              2. VO3A
                VO3A 20 November 2019 17: 30 New
                +7
                Seriously, it seems to me that the 6th generation will not be a drone, but rather with two pilots. The second will control the decision-making by electronics and choose "scenarios" ... In general, there are manned aircraft and there are UAVs ... It’s not entirely correct to call UAVs 6th generation airplane .. And the second, the capabilities of AI are greatly exaggerated, often automation processes, albeit very detailed and verified, are assigned the functions of AI ... This is not AI ... No need to pass off as valid ... And there are a lot of unresolved questions that AI cannot handle ... This is, for example, the operation of the systems of "Svoyo-Alien", the impact of electronic warfare systems, a change in tactical techniques ....
                1. caiman
                  caiman 20 November 2019 18: 44 New
                  0
                  NATO is an AI that would recognize your alien and change tactical actions, but the fact that AI is not yet in the world is true, although it may still be, but still pretty dumb)))),
                2. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 20 November 2019 19: 40 New
                  +9
                  ". And second, the capabilities of AI are greatly exaggerated," ////
                  ----
                  Not exaggerated, but understated.
                  Software like AI (dynamically self-learning, and self-writing without the participation of programmers or operators, codes) has already been written.
                  The point is its adaptation to mechanisms.
                  AI on simulators confidently beat (from 3-4 times and further - continuously) in training battles of experienced aces.
                  So far they are afraid to attach such a "violent" and super-skillful uncontrolled software to the management of real, ground or air vehicles. But soon this will inevitably happen.
                  In the process of adapting AI, they will beat a couple of dozen drones, but the survivors will already be monsters wassat almost from horror films. The only joy - they also run out of fuel. laughing
                  1. Nick Russ
                    Nick Russ 21 November 2019 18: 09 New
                    -2
                    AI does not exist and cannot be created. You watch a lot of fiction.
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 21 November 2019 18: 14 New
                      -2
                      I don’t watch science fiction at all.
                      And AI has already been created. Moreover, in parallel with a good dozen firms in different countries. It turned out to be much simpler than expected. You do not need to copy a human brain that works too chaotically and universally.
                      1. Nick Russ
                        Nick Russ 21 November 2019 18: 32 New
                        0
                        And where can I get it? :-)
                      2. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 21 November 2019 18: 43 New
                        -2
                        Want to buy stocks? - reasonably ...
                        Google: AI stocks to buy
                        And the full right to such software will cost you tens of millions of dollars. But you can buy, of course,
                        if you know how to apply it.
                      3. Nick Russ
                        Nick Russ 21 November 2019 19: 20 New
                        0
                        As I understand it, they call it something that, in fact, is not it. The main difference between any of the most advanced programs is the ability to learn without external intervention.
                      4. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 21 November 2019 19: 58 New
                        -2
                        "this is the ability to learn without external intervention." /////
                        -----
                        good
                        That's right. We are talking about the same thing.
                        According to AI, it writes itself. The code creates itself. Without the participation of a programmer.
                        And such software already exists. It is used more and more widely.
                        But they are not yet used in aviation. There is the usual software.
                      5. Nick Russ
                        Nick Russ 21 November 2019 20: 04 New
                        0
                        Excuse me, but I do not believe in these tales.
                      6. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 21 November 2019 20: 23 New
                        -2
                        This is already taught by students at universities (first degree BA Sc).
                        Subjects: Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning
                        They are very popular in Israel.
                        But you have every right not to believe. hi
                    2. Nick Russ
                      Nick Russ 21 November 2019 20: 32 New
                      0
                      Here, many do not believe in "Putin's cartoons", but for me there is nothing supernatural. So what is it that a rocket flies at a speed of 30000 km per hour. Well, it's hard, but you can do it. But with AI, in my opinion, it smells like a hoax, because it is from the category of the impossible.
                    3. eklmn
                      eklmn 21 November 2019 22: 26 New
                      -1
                      “But with AI, in my opinion, it smells like a hoax, because it's from the category of the impossible. ”
                      Where is the AI ​​today?
                      “Examples and news in 2019. Artificial intelligence, or AI, is the use of computer programs to simulate the thoughts and actions of a person by analyzing data and the environment, solving or predicting problems, and learning or self-learning to adapt to various tasks.
                      ASIMO Robot stands for Advanced Step in Innovative Mobility. It was created by Honda in 2000 to someday help people in their daily lives. ASIMO is considered one of the most advanced AI Humanoid robots. ”
                      Which country has the most advanced AI?
                      “In China, there are about 1 artificial intelligence companies, accounting for 011% of the world's total, after the United States with 20,53, the report said. The United Kingdom, Canada and India ranked third to fifth in the list of countries with the largest number of artificial intelligence companies. ”
                      You can believe / not believe in AI, but hundreds of companies want to develop / implement AI in many areas of life. Or take a diagnosis in medicine - how many times have we seen in the media that doctors were treating for one disease, but another turned out to be. And not because the doctors are bad - the amount of information on the grounds of illness is so vast, and the differences are so insignificant that a person is not able to make a correct diagnosis. AI will give advice like “ero can be 1) disease A (probability 30%, conduct an additional test for something), 2) disease B (probability 50%, conduct an additional test for something, 3) disease B ( probability of 20%, conduct an additional test for something)
                      Something like that ....
                      By the way, if you want to invest in AI, you need to find a suitable startup for this. There are dozens of platforms for startups where they present themselves and attract sponsors there. If you invest in a startup and its ideas find a market for yourself, you are on a horse. If they don’t find a market, the money is gone. But if they do, then a win of 2 or 3 zeros is guaranteed ....
                    4. Nick Russ
                      Nick Russ 21 November 2019 23: 47 New
                      0
                      All that you wrote here is not AI. It’s just good and nothing more.
                    5. Nick Russ
                      Nick Russ 23 November 2019 17: 14 New
                      +1
                      I'd rather invest in a revealing startup that proves that all of these so-called AIs aren't really those. Here is a 100% hit.
                      This is just a marketing move to attract investment.
                    6. eklmn
                      eklmn 23 November 2019 17: 48 New
                      -1
                      Whether we like it or not, the development of AI cannot be stopped. Even Edison himself could not stop the spread of AC, although he really wanted to.
                      But yesterday there was an incident (shown in the news), which could be too tough for AI. In one city, a 911 young woman called the XNUMX emergency service and ordered pizza. The operator answered her that she was mistaken with the number. But after a couple of seconds, she called back and insisted on accepting the pizza order. And the operator realized that this was a witness to domestic violence, which could not say anything in plain text. And the operator asked her about it, she answered positively. After a couple of minutes, the police arrived at her house and detained a man who was mocking the mother of this young woman.
                      The question is, after how many years will AI be able to understand this situation? Whether we like it or not, the development of AI cannot be stopped. Even Edison himself could not stop the spread of AC, although he really wanted to.
                      But yesterday there was an incident (shown in the news), which could be too tough for AI. In one city, a 911 young woman called the XNUMX emergency service and ordered pizza. The operator answered her that she was mistaken with the number. But after a couple of seconds, she called back and insisted on accepting the pizza order. And the operator realized that this was a witness to domestic violence, which could not say anything in plain text. And the operator asked her about it, she answered positively. After a couple of minutes, the police arrived at her house and detained a man who was mocking the mother of this young woman.
                      The question is, after how many years will the AI ​​be able to figure out this situation?
                    7. Nick Russ
                      Nick Russ 23 November 2019 21: 16 New
                      +2
                      If programmers make this case, it will automatically figure it out, but if not, then no.
                      AI does not exist.
  • hrych
    hrych 20 November 2019 19: 24 New
    +4
    Quote: voyaka uh
    drone laptop toy fighters

    They are not there yet, although there are unmanned scouts such as the Global Hawke, but there are already means to combat them, in the form of electronic warfare. Therefore, the development prospect in this direction has become illusory. The positioning systems are amazed that the frigates are flying the wrong way, the connection with the “master” is being struck. The use of EMR is promising, especially with nuclear power, etc. A person who is weak in overloads has proved to be more resistant to electronic warfare than AI. Well, the best unmanned fighter is a long-range, over-horizon air defense / missile defense missile. Soon, these missiles will exceed the combat radius of fighters. If it is 700 km at Hornet, then 40N6E is hit at 400 km. And Nudolev missiles have a range of 1000 km. Therefore, the fighter itself will eventually become an anachronism, even with humans, even with AI.
    1. dog of war
      dog of war 21 November 2019 22: 36 New
      +2
      A fighter is a far distant over-the-horizon missile; it is, first and foremost, a combat complex that includes detection and control means, weapons, and others. A modern fighter is a complex multifunctional system that can hit ground / surface targets. And yes, when the air defense system can’t replace aviation on the issue of air defense, at least on the grounds that it cannot adequately deal with low-flying targets.
      1. hrych
        hrych 21 November 2019 23: 04 New
        0
        Quote: dog of war
        at least on the grounds that they can’t adequately deal with low-flying goals

        ZGRLS sees a low-flying target, even at the very surface, an over-the-horizon missile rises and captures a target that cannot be withdrawn. This is the present and the prospect for the near future. ZGRLS will represent echeloned defense. The container tracks the target for 3000 km and works with anti-aircraft missiles of the Nudol complex type with a range of up to 1500 km, and the Sunflower sees 500 km and works with the S-400, Buk, Tor and Shell. Also, Laser Relight will soon show itself. The container is the strategic frontier, and the Sunflower is the tactical one. The near-horizon radars already see the near boundary, lifting the mast, etc. Not immediately, but the time of the fighters ends ...
        1. dog of war
          dog of war 21 November 2019 23: 59 New
          +2
          You first read about ZGRLS, horizontal radars do not have the resolution sufficient for identification and accurate aiming at the target, the maximum that they are capable of detecting the target and warning that such a target is detected in the area. In addition, the operation of ZGRLS depends on the weather in the ionosphere and may not always work reliably. About the horizontal rocket, you certainly bent. These are the energy characteristics that a given missile system must possess, which must cover such a large distance in such a short period of time. In addition, you saw ZGRLS, at least that same Sunflower, this is a large stationary structure requiring a lot of electricity for food, which can not be mobile, can not quickly fold or move. It’s not at all clear why you transferred the Nudol complex here, intercepting high-altitude targets that fly along a ballistic trajectory and intercepting aerodynamic maneuvering targets at medium and low altitudes are different tasks.
          Into the account that time of fighters leaves. Hm. Just we observe the complete inability of modern air defense systems to adequately reflect the air strike of low-flying targets. For example: the S-300 / S-400 air defense system and the American Tomahawks and the complete inability of the Patriot air defense system to protect oil refineries in Saudi Arabia.
          1. hrych
            hrych 22 November 2019 02: 01 New
            0
            Read a thousand times. Algorithms for changing the ionosphere worked out on the Wave, after which the error became in meters over 3000 km of range. On the container confirmed this. Giant Container with powerful energy, and Sunflower is a large factory readiness station, quite compact

            Stuck pegs, pulled wires, equipment in the container and hello. They worked on the Caspian Sea when receiving target designation from Sunflower, the Caspian RTOs repelled the attack. And stop talking about big energy costs. With a spatial beam, when there is reflection from the ionosphere, yes, energy is needed, and the Sunflower has a SURFACE beam, the wave propagates along the surface, curving with the curvature of the earth. Energy is required no more than a conventional, lousy, over-the-horizon radar, just a different wavelength, therefore both the emitting and receiving contours are so long.
            Quote: dog of war
            Into the account that time of fighters leaves. Hm. Just we observe the complete inability of modern air defense systems to adequately reflect the air strike of low-flying targets.

            Where? In Syria, where hundreds of American Tomahawks intercepted? And old Soviet complexes. Petriot, of course obsolete rubbish. And to each his own. There is an echeloned defense that the Russian Federation is building and which works to successfully defend Khmeimim. And there is American defense in defense. Already now, the S-400 over-the-horizon missile rises to a height, expanding the radio horizon, captures the target by the GOS and dives at the target from above. The S-500 will already hit the target at a distance of 600 km. Nudolev missiles are definitely anti-satellite and anti-missile, but I’m telling you ABOUT THE OUTLOOK. About the future, and not so far. Already at the turn of 400 km the over-the-horizon missile of the S-400 complex is operating. The S-500 will already hit the target at a distance of 600 km. Both transatmospheric and atmospheric rockets. I repeat, we are talking about tomorrow, but now there are working samples and technologies are available. In the future, why the hell you need to fly up on an airplane and drop the CR, when there were CR of unlimited range. We made the Petrel, but the Americans will have to do the same. With ICBMs, of course. Duc and torpedoes and the Kyrgyz Republic in the near future, under their own power will reach any point on the Planet. In perspective, carriers, i.e. ships and planes will not be needed. And we see the beginning of this.
          2. hrych
            hrych 22 November 2019 02: 14 New
            0
            The sunflower is well shown here.
            http://bastion-opk.ru/podsolnuh-foto/
            The entire farm is assembled in several trucks.
          3. hrych
            hrych 22 November 2019 02: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: dog of war
            S-300 / S-400 air defense systems and American Tomahawks and the complete inability of the Patriot air defense systems to protect oil refineries in Saudi Arabia.

            S-400 and the Shell protect Khmeimim, the attack of Khmeimim by the Tomahawks was not and does not need to be fantasized. The S-300s delivered the Syrians later attacks by the Tomahawks and then successfully repelled the old S-125s, Bukahs, etc. Also, the Shells were successful. Petriot did not have a Shell in a bunch. Petriot is also directed in a certain direction, where PU is inclined. This S-300 flies in any direction, after a mortar launch. Petriots stupidly drones walked around on the other side. From the back laughing This must be known and understood. The spatial wave is reflected from the unstable ionosphere, therefore, the calculation and processing algorithm is complex to reduce the error. Moreover, the reflected signal is also reflected from the ionosphere. The surface wave behaves similarly to a conventional radar, both the radiated and reflected waves do not use the ionospheres, complex calculation algorithms are not needed, it works like a conventional radar. Therefore, except for small energy, the sunflower has absolute accuracy. And they see this export under 500 km, our TTXs are classified and should exceed export ones. For Wave and Container, the calculation algorithm takes into account daily and annual changes in the ionosphere. On the Wave, these algorithms have been practiced for 30 years. If the Americans want to repeat the possibility of guidance on a spatial wave, then they will succeed, too, but ... in 30 years. Given the US threat from Caliber, X-102, etc., Americans will be forced to deploy and experiment with ZGRLS. Although they can rely on satellites. Which we have. True, clouds and clouds can spoil, and our dishonest ones like to fly out and launch submarines in cloudy weather. wassat
  • dmmyak40
    dmmyak40 20 November 2019 20: 52 New
    +1
    How many units of F-35 Israel plans to purchase finally? Any adjustments expected?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 20 November 2019 23: 53 New
      -1
      50 pieces.
      Then it is planned to buy 25 F-15s (it’s time to write off the first ones from the 80s).
      Then another 50 F-35
      In parallel, the cancellation of the F-16.
      1. dmmyak40
        dmmyak40 21 November 2019 22: 51 New
        0
        There is infa, where does the F-15 come from? From storage?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 22 November 2019 00: 51 New
          -1
          They are still being produced.
          They will buy the last Block. And, as always, with makeweights for Israel. F-15i
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 21 November 2019 20: 50 New
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    They buy 2700 F-35 for themselves and approximately 1500 expect to sell.

    Can the question be, why the USA F-35, given its radius, just for itself? Who, someone is going to attack them?
    Not seriously ... why the hell are tanks, for example, as well as England? Who is going to attack the Anglo-Saxons? We are a continental power, and from time to time Europeans forget that we are able to reach their capitals, it’s not difficult for us ... but what about the USA and England?
    What are you flaunting here? 2700 pieces they buy ...
  • venik
    venik 20 November 2019 15: 23 New
    -1
    Quote: Vladimir16
    We have other tasks.

    =====
    Because the Su-57 is created for needs DEFENSE of Russia!
    They want to buy "export"version -" You are welcome! "
    They don’t want to ..... Well - and ... "three "funny Russian letters"...
  • Stas157
    Stas157 20 November 2019 15: 08 New
    +8
    In the American media Recently, materials have begun to be actively published that openly discredit the Russian military aircraft industry.

    In whose eyes? And what do we do with that? Each sandpiper praises its swamp and disapproves of a stranger. This applies to every country. Including ours.
    the refinement process from the moment the test starts can stretch for 3-5 years. Then you can expect the first contracts.

    Almost ten years ago, the first flight instance of the T-50 (Su-57) first flew into the air. Another five years? And given that the time all the time shifted to the right - maybe more. Are the tests taking too long?
  • Eroma
    Eroma 22 November 2019 12: 45 New
    +2
    Do not hesitate, in terms of the number of manufactured and sold abroad, the F35 will be on the first roles! ... The weapon is not a smartphone, there not only the characteristics and price decide, but also politics and in many cases it is the most important factor! ... Russia is still far from the weight of the USA repeat
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 20 November 2019 17: 55 New
    +6
    Quote: Honest Citizen
    And not only this. It is necessary at the world level to simply "lower" the striped with their products. Especially with their Patriot PRO.

    We did not have time. recourse The Hussites of their "Patriot" in Saudi Arabia have already lowered two times. The first time they destroyed the Patriot itself, and the second time they broke up the refinery that these Patriots covered. Well, once the Saudis themselves demonstrated how this “Patriot” returned “home” after start-up and scared away all the camels in the Saudi gardens. yes
  • rocket757
    rocket757 20 November 2019 14: 37 New
    +6
    In general, the media flow from the United States in relation to the Russian aviation industry is more like a frank “black” PR, which is aimed primarily at promoting unfair competition

    Engage in polemics ... they just have more media, they can really drown out everything that is not according to their wishes.
    To do better and so that it is unconditional! Then it will break through.
    1. Honest Citizen
      Honest Citizen 20 November 2019 14: 44 New
      +1
      Well, actually, we also have a fairly powerful source. This is RT. So it is necessary to use it in full. It is watched and listened by many in the world. To the process of "lowering" you can connect the Chinese.
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 20 November 2019 15: 22 New
        0
        Quote: Honest Citizen
        RT. So it is necessary to use it in full.
        Do you have any specific complaints about RT? Or is this a general indication?
        1. Honest Citizen
          Honest Citizen 20 November 2019 15: 33 New
          +5
          Do you have any specific complaints about RT? Or is this a general indication?

          I wrote somewhere that I have a complaint about RT?
          In fact, when people leave a comment, they usually describe their point of view, or what the commentator himself would do in a given situation.
          I commented on how I personally would try to solve this problem.
          Or now after each comment you need to add IMHO?
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 20 November 2019 15: 41 New
            +2
            Quote: Honest Citizen
            as a rule, describe their point of view, or how the commentator himself would act in a given situation
            If they see that in reality this is not being done or is being done wrong. Nobody suggests opening stores in the morning and closing them in the evening, they themselves do so; even the offer to “fully engage” will be redundant, as there is 24 hours, but no more than necessary. They have permanent courts there, even without instructions, or they can even hide the plug.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 20 November 2019 16: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: Honest Citizen
        This is RT. So it is necessary to use it in full.

        They work as they are allowed to ... there will never be “fair play” against them either.
        They have their own circle of admirers in +, as well as admirers in -!
        If anything changes in +, then it is very slow and within the limits allowed by local authorities.
    2. hrych
      hrych 20 November 2019 15: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      they just have more media

      There is a tendency to tum that quantity is not synonymous with quality. All over the world, American news is perceived ... vice versa. And what can I say when in the United States itself, but the President himself calls a number of the most powerful American media: fake news wassat Twitter and other social networks are simply spreading the news agencies in the trash of all mastodons. Well, when you eat, food can go back ... They fed the average man with news and their power (and they officially declared themselves the fourth power) also quickly melts ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 November 2019 16: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: hrych
        There is a tendency to tum that quantity is not synonymous with quality

        The public, the crowd, inertia and the "slave" of their habits, preferences, etc. ...
        The information war against Russia, the USSR did not start yesterday and has deep roots! Without cutting down which, with something killerly obvious, loud, of the changes we need, we have to wait ... endlessly.
        So we do EVERYTHING better, explicitly and apparently, then the process can go at least somehow!
        Immediately, it simply won’t be, it is necessary to work in the long term.
        1. hrych
          hrych 20 November 2019 19: 01 New
          +1
          Of course, our plane should be the best, and not because the enemy’s media had nothing to say, but he just had to win in the sky good and let them do whatever they want drinks
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 20 November 2019 19: 56 New
            +3
            Friend hi
            Quote: hrych
            he must win in the sky

            And he can do it. yes
            Quote: hrych
            let the bazaar what they want

            Smoke the sky?
            1. hrych
              hrych 20 November 2019 20: 01 New
              +1
              Hi brother drinks
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              Smoke the sky?

              We will smoke them ... cobalt laughingradioactive
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 20 November 2019 20: 12 New
                +3
                Quote: hrych
                radioactive

                Will not be enough? soldier wink
                1. hrych
                  hrych 20 November 2019 20: 37 New
                  +3
                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  Will not be enough?

                  Maybe Americans mutate, will become kind and responsive good
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 20 November 2019 20: 40 New
                    +3
                    Quote: hrych
                    Americans mutate

                    Undoubtedly.
                    Quote: hrych
                    will become kind and responsive

                    Rather, they will become super mutants. Kindness is definitely not about mattresses.
    3. Dmitry Donskoy
      Dmitry Donskoy 21 November 2019 09: 35 New
      0
      As long as there are countries completely dependent on the states, they will be sucked in by planes even if they are for debt or for natural resources yes
  • Sitearvi
    Sitearvi 20 November 2019 14: 38 New
    +3
    Therefore, they fly into space on our rockets
  • shinobi
    shinobi 20 November 2019 14: 42 New
    +2
    That's when we will satiate our fleet of fighters, then we will bother.
    1. Honest Citizen
      Honest Citizen 20 November 2019 14: 48 New
      +2
      “Then” may not come. It will be too late. In this case, you need to work at the same time. And saturate your fleet, and think about strangling competitors.
      1. shinobi
        shinobi 20 November 2019 15: 51 New
        0
        As history shows, our customer will not get away from us. Moreover, the Yankees are greatly offended with their super devices.
        1. Honest Citizen
          Honest Citizen 20 November 2019 15: 53 New
          +3
          If you are talking about missile defense, then yes, you are offended.
          And honestly, I didn’t hear about the penguin, so that they would go too far.
          1. shinobi
            shinobi 20 November 2019 15: 54 New
            +1
            Only the lazy did not write about the penguin, even in their media.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 20 November 2019 14: 44 New
    +4
    According to the expert, the task of the US media is simple: to denigrate, at every opportunity, the Russian fifth-generation fighter Su-57, promoting its F-35 on the world market. To overcome this American pressure, Russia needs to work on improving its latest fighter

    A complete solution to the questions about the benefits will be made after analyzing the performance by both aircraft of similar (equivalent) combat missions. And then we'll see who shows someone the tail. I leave no hope of achieving the advantage of the Su-57. So here I am a Russian patriot. Time will tell.
    1. Rusland
      Rusland 20 November 2019 17: 10 New
      +5
      Quote: ROSS 42
      So here I am a Russian patriot

      Handsome man yes
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Time will tell

      Will show. yes
  • tomket
    tomket 20 November 2019 14: 46 New
    +6
    Well, actually, no one ordered the MiG-31 either. Is this bad for us? I don’t think. There are some categories of weapons, before selling which you need to think ten times.
  • Andrey Chistyakov
    Andrey Chistyakov 20 November 2019 14: 54 New
    +1
    Well yes. Poles S-400 "criticize" US aircraft.
    "Good campaign."
  • bk316
    bk316 20 November 2019 14: 55 New
    +4
    I wouldn’t let him export at all like the Americans F-22. C would make for export the next lighter weaker AND PRICE. You need to learn from the enemy .....
  • amr
    amr 20 November 2019 14: 56 New
    +5
    Damn what is the article ??
    The degradation of VO is evident if all the articles carry such a detailed interview, such a clear coverage of the article in the American yellow press, soon I will simply stop going to this resource !!

    VO is getting worse precisely because of such articles! - about nothing!
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 20 November 2019 19: 18 New
      +4
      Comments in the article are more interesting than the publication itself. Sometimes it’s interesting to read the international srach, because people from different countries and cities write opinions, different competencies in matters, someone has it, someone does not, but everyone argues.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 20 November 2019 14: 58 New
    +2
    It’s better to make normal weapons right away than to burn frantically with a flaming ass, like the Yankees like.
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 20 November 2019 19: 24 New
      +2
      It will never work right away. It is necessary to launch a series in order to work out technological issues, then we need operational experience (this is years) to identify weaknesses and shortcomings of the product.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 20 November 2019 21: 20 New
        +2
        It will never work right away. It is necessary to launch a series in order to work out technological issues, then we need operational experience (this is years) to identify weaknesses and shortcomings of the product.


        What am I talking about? And about the fact that the Yankees suck in nonsense to all comers, and most often unwanted, and then saw for decades to normal
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 20 November 2019 22: 33 New
          0
          So how many years they sawed it before starting a series, they have been doing it for several years. I think there is not everything as scary as painting.
  • Operator
    Operator 20 November 2019 15: 06 New
    +9
    And what, has any US tactical aircraft reached the Su-35 level (with the exception of stealth technology)? bully
    1. Gerneton
      Gerneton 21 November 2019 08: 24 New
      -3
      Quote: Operator
      And what, some US tactical aircraft has already reached the level of Su-35

      that's when after the rain on Thursday on the SU35 put AFAR .... he will reach 4 ++ laughing
  • spirit
    spirit 20 November 2019 15: 10 New
    +1
    It seems to me people who make decisions at the state level from whom and what to buy, are of little interest to the opinions of newsagents and left experts. There, everyone perfectly understands what and in what condition they have, denyushki is big.
  • Amateur
    Amateur 20 November 2019 15: 20 New
    -1
    Recently, materials have openly been published in the American media that openly discredit the Russian military aircraft industry.

    Are there still people who believe in media reports?
  • Nycomed
    Nycomed 20 November 2019 15: 23 New
    -5
    Cool planes - we can. Engines are not. That's all.
  • lukewarm
    lukewarm 20 November 2019 15: 27 New
    +1
    About the inability of the United States went too far. But it’s strange to talk about foreign contracts when there are no Su-57s in their Air Force yet. Although we are not used to it, there were times. And where are the engines of the second stage? Yes, everything is dragging on. But it’s too early to talk about fundamental inability.
  • Charik
    Charik 20 November 2019 15: 57 New
    +3
    Yes, there are a lot of things that are being said overseas
  • Politruk-m
    Politruk-m 20 November 2019 16: 00 New
    +4
    I remember the United States praising their Patriot air defense ... Now they shut up .. I hope that the same happens with the F-35 22 .. The main thing is not to rush, let them punch these expensive "invisibles" more ... And then we'll talk hi
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 20 November 2019 16: 11 New
    +1
    When the Su-57 will already be part of the Russian Aerospace Forces and with all the modifications (engines, weapons, etc.), then I think many states will forget about the F-35 with a bunch of its shortcomings.
  • Sailor
    Sailor 20 November 2019 17: 14 New
    +1
    The platforms I would say are excellent, but in avionics we are far behind.
    1. shinobi
      shinobi 20 November 2019 17: 28 New
      +2
      They lagged behind, yes it was. At this stage, no longer. It just so happened that we and the Yankees have different ideas about what is needed in this matter.
  • Berkut24
    Berkut24 20 November 2019 17: 15 New
    0
    Do not dissuade them. You just have to silently hang sometime in the neutral zone on the tail of the “penguin” and hang until the American begins to have a tantrum.
  • maden.usmanow
    maden.usmanow 20 November 2019 17: 30 New
    0
    Double standarts. Commentators can kick F 35, and Americans cannot criticize Su 57
  • Saboteur Holuy
    Saboteur Holuy 20 November 2019 18: 12 New
    -3
    The best schA plane is F-22
    1. UserGun
      UserGun 20 November 2019 23: 16 New
      +2
      Yes it is. Therefore, its further production was hindered. He was never positioned in super-maneuverability, and it’s how it turns out ...

      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 21 November 2019 00: 30 New
        +2
        Taki fighter gaining superiority in the air! Super-maneuverability by rank laid. hi
        1. UserGun
          UserGun 21 November 2019 07: 38 New
          0
          As far as I remember, the wonderful Uriah-patriots of the Russian Federation of all stripes claimed that this was a worthless expensive toy, but our fabulous airplanes ....))) And as a rule they boasted all kinds of videos from the air show. Pagany adversaries, apparently, at that time laughed at their fist, looking at their tweaks.
    2. brr1
      brr1 21 November 2019 22: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Diversant Holuy
      The best schA plane is F-22


      I figured it out, it’s a network sadomasochist, it rushes from dislikes. Do not respond to it, do not let the disease progress. Without cons, he will die, do not react to him at all. Not minus not plus. Who does not believe me, go into it, and read his comments. They are all masochistic.
  • bars1
    bars1 20 November 2019 18: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: Diversant Holuy
    The best schA plane is F-22

    Aircraft claiming stealth status without OLS - this is nonsense
    1. Saboteur Holuy
      Saboteur Holuy 20 November 2019 21: 42 New
      0
      We have no such close
    2. Good_Anonymous
      Good_Anonymous 20 November 2019 22: 04 New
      -2
      Quote: bars1
      Aircraft claiming stealth status without OLS - this is nonsense


      On the F-22 and without OLS, there are enough passive sensors. However, the OLS will be in the next upgrade.
      1. nks
        nks 21 November 2019 14: 56 New
        +1
        Will not be. Nearest 3.2b - there is nothing like that. And further on LM has no clear plans. Theoretically, MAWS IR sensors can be used as IRST, but nothing is known about such an implementation in the F-22, and their range is small.
        1. Good_Anonymous
          Good_Anonymous 22 November 2019 21: 59 New
          -2
          Quote: nks
          Will not be. Nearest 3.2b - there is nothing like that.


          3.2b they call update, and there will be another mid-life upgrade.

          Quote: nks
          And further on LM has no clear plans.


          I don’t know about "intelligibility", but there are plans:


          In 2024, funding kicks in for sensor enhancements, a project that is expected to run for several years.

          "What we're looking for is a sensor to complement the radar that's on the jet,” Merchant said.



          Exploration of AI for the F-22 aligns, in many respects, with the current "sensor fusion" technologies built into the F-35; this includes organizing and displaying information from Electro-Optical / Targeting Systems (EOTS), Distributed Aperture Systems (DAS) and other sensors onto a single screen
          1. nks
            nks 23 November 2019 17: 26 New
            0
            In the same text, where did you get the second quote, 3.2b is called upgrade, but that's not the point --- you can call it anything you like. It’s just that the MLU is too serious a thing to not name it explicitly and precisely because the plans are slurred (there is no exact deadline or composition of the MLU. Financing of the MLU program will only begin in 2024) it’s definitely not the nearest upgrade. The IRST in the MLU f-22 may very well be done, but now the f-22 still remains an imperfection, which is not a cake for an aircraft that has been in operation for 14 years.
            1. Good_Anonymous
              Good_Anonymous 23 November 2019 17: 48 New
              -1
              Quote: nks
              now f-22 still remains an imperfection


              smile
              1. nks
                nks 23 November 2019 18: 05 New
                -1
                Well, yes, it’s funny for us, but f-22 pilots have a sore neck
                1. Good_Anonymous
                  Good_Anonymous 23 November 2019 19: 10 New
                  0
                  It's funny to me that people believe in “F-22 pilots have a sore neck,” but not at 108: 0.
                  1. nks
                    nks 23 November 2019 21: 03 New
                    0
                    If you were bigger and more attentively acquainted with the topic under discussion, it would be less likely to operate with categories of believe / disbelieve. As for the neck ache - this, of course, is my personal hyperbole, but the fact is that the F-22 pilot complained of poor situational awareness and that he constantly has to turn his head in a really difficult tactical situation in the sky of Syria. This is caused by a whole series of flaws - both in communication capabilities and in the implementation of circular tracking (although the sensors really allow, but they didn’t complete the photo software ... what a decent data fusion is). And by the way, he has no grandfather mirrors in the cockpit. It’s just a real situation, and the data about 108: 0 in training battles without any details against the incomprehensible type of “enemy aircraft” is simply uninteresting when many types have confirmed training victories over f-22, including from USAF USN .
                    You can believe / not believe it, but I don’t think that someone would just give the EA-22G pilot (!) A f-18 badge on board
                    https://theaviationgeekclub.com/ea-18g-with-f-22-kill-mark-what-is-the-effectiveness-of-growlers-jamming-system-against-f-22-and-f-35-stealth-fighters/. Я уж не говорю про знаменитое видео с рафалем, когда амеровские официалы прошли все степени принятия правды. Причем в реальном бою против рафаля у F-22 шансы были бы еще меньше, так как у рафаля с круговой ситуационной осведомленностью все в порядке и он является (в версии F3R) единственным на данный момент МФИ в мире, который продемонстрировал поражение цели в заднюю полусферу с ЦУ собственных датчиков (и первым, кто это сделал с внешнего ЦУ)
  • caiman
    caiman 20 November 2019 18: 37 New
    0
    what kind of nonsense is this article))), Americans denigrate the su57 because it would promote its f35, it’s not bullshit, it doesn’t represent any kind of competition for the su-57 f 35, as the Minister of Defense clearly stated that this plane is only for Russian VKS, and it will not be exported
  • alex4aa
    alex4aa 20 November 2019 19: 44 New
    +1
    I’d say so here, how can those who can’t even fly into orbit about planes?
  • GibSoN
    GibSoN 20 November 2019 20: 10 New
    -4
    Honored pilot commented on statements in the US on the inability of the Russian Federation to produce high-quality aircraft
    As if for those who know how to think, the heading alone makes you think ... Maybe this honored pilot has already served his? Maybe you don’t need to PR like that (of course, everyone needs money) or try to get into politics - deputies? Still, he seems to be like a pilot ?! What am I talking about .. What does the pilot have to do with production? Type of cook in economists? Or did this honored pilot, at least fly on most of the aircraft of both the USSR, the Russian Federation and the USA, including the F-22, F-35?
  • sagitch
    sagitch 20 November 2019 22: 19 New
    0
    What the hell excuse !!!
  • Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 20 November 2019 22: 29 New
    0
    Toga what the fig states pretend that they are afraid of us?
    1. Last centurion
      Last centurion 12 December 2019 17: 58 New
      0
      if the Russian Federation was not there, it would have to be invented in order to justify the presence of such an army, and which, in the USA, they want to eat and not only eat
  • eklmn
    eklmn 21 November 2019 05: 53 New
    +1
    Gentlemen, you are trolling in black, and you start! Indeed, in the article there is not a single fact with reference to sources, some common phrases! Where is your famous “Give the facts!” Author, facts on the table! ”
    Are you shallowed by the mind, or what?
    Yes, today, only in NI, two interesting articles on the topic:
    “Russia is laughing at the American fighter F-15EX”
    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russia-laughing-americas-f-15ex-fighter-97982
    By the way, he laughs at his age, since 1980, although due to the state of fatigue of the material it can fly until 2030. Here to replace
    F-15C and the advanced F-15EX will come.
    Or a very interesting article (again in today's issue)
    “What happened to the Russian version of the SR-71 Blackbird?”
    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/what-happened-russian-version-sr-71-blackbird-98182
    “For example, during the 1950s and 60s, the United States invested heavily in various spy planes designed to infiltrate enemy airspace, such as the high-altitude RB-57 and U-2, followed by Mach-3 A -12 and SR-71 Blackbird.
    “Nevertheless, the brilliant Soviet engineer Pavel Tsybin was close to developing the“ Soviet blackbird, ”although it actually preceded the A-12 / Blackbird for several years and was originally conceived as a nuclear bomber.
    “Compared to well-known Soviet bureaus such as Mikoyan and Gurevich (MiG), Sukhoi and Tupolev, the OKB-256 design bureau headed by Tsybin remained small and had to fight for its small part of the Soviet defense budget. But in 1954, an aircraft engineer suggested developing a jet bomber with a jet engine capable of flying at a speed three times the speed of sound. ”
    Etc. Very interesting article, objective and truthful.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 21 November 2019 12: 30 New
    +1
    That is, the Honored did not say anything specific.
    develop, strengthen, ... yat.

    Well, "Blackening" - and we have in the internet such a hi about their planes is, it’s expensive to listen ...

    So nothing personal. Only money. What does not smell.
  • frhfrhfrh
    frhfrhfrh 21 November 2019 19: 31 New
    0
    The United States sells its products through sanctions or the threat of sanctions. Who then wants to contact them? When, in response to US sanctions, we can lend to our customers ourselves, then everything will change.
  • sayeret Matkal
    sayeret Matkal 21 November 2019 21: 37 New
    0
    the next paid “expert” reasoning and trying to justify the aircraft, which will not go into service for several years. it’s especially funny to compare with American planes
  • Last centurion
    Last centurion 12 December 2019 17: 56 New
    0
    yeah ... with aftermarket so it’s not like superjets ...