Honored pilot commented on statements in the US on the inability of the Russian Federation to produce high-quality aircraft

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Recently, materials have openly been published in the American media that openly discredit the Russian military aircraft industry. Of course, there are enough problems in the industry, but American publications are not at all like balanced criticism or an attempt to present an objective analysis. In general, the US media flow towards the Russian aviation industry is more like a frank “black” PR, which is aimed primarily at promoting the unfair competition in the world arms market from the United States itself.

Statements by American experts that the Russian aircraft industry is allegedly incapable of creating competitive, high-quality aircraft, commented Honored Pilot of Russia Yuri Sytnik, representative of the All-Russian Public Organization Russian Officers, for Military Review.



According to the expert, the task of the US media is simple: to denigrate, at every opportunity, the Russian fifth-generation fighter Su-57, promoting its F-35 on the world market. To overcome this American pressure, Russia needs to work on improving its latest fighter

Yuri Sytnik:

Need to bring the aircraft to perfection. So that none of the potential customers have any questions for the Su-57. You also need to work on such an important element as after-sales service.

According to the honored pilot of Russia, so far there is nothing wrong with the fact that the Russian Su-57 is not ordered by foreign countries for the needs of its Air Force.

Yuri Sytnik:

There is nothing wrong with that. The plane is still at the stage of a kind of refinement. While this model is being tested, tests are ongoing. Military pilots identify flaws that exist in any new product, so the refinement process from the start of testing can stretch for 3-5 years. Then you can expect the first contracts.
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    1. +32
      20 November 2019 14: 33
      To overcome this American pressure, Russia needs to work on improving its latest fighter

      And not only this. It is necessary at the world level to simply "lower" the striped ones with their products. Especially with their Patriot missile defense. Well, don't forget about the penguin.
      1. +15
        20 November 2019 14: 36
        The result will show whose plane will be better and better, and I doubt that the American will be in the lead.
        1. +5
          20 November 2019 14: 52
          Quote: tomket
          Well, actually, no one ordered the MiG-31 either. Is this bad for us? I don’t think. There are some categories of weapons, before selling which you need to think ten times.

          Raised the comment to which I will join higher.

          The Americans do not need the F35 to defend their own country for nothing.
          Therefore, they sell this pepelats hundreds. However, like f-16.

          Americans do not sell strategic bombers.

          We have other tasks. We have neighbors Russophobia on all borders.
          1. +11
            20 November 2019 15: 13
            "Americans do not need F35 for the defense of their own country" ////
            -----
            They buy 2700 F-35 for themselves and approximately 1500 expect to sell.
            1. +3
              20 November 2019 16: 09
              Let them buy it, but the plans for 2020 have been adjusted and suggest a 50% reduction from the earlier planned purchase ... more often let "Windu" be reinstalled on it or coffee on the "keyboard" more often pour ...
              1. +5
                20 November 2019 16: 14
                "let them buy more of this computer toy" ////
                ----
                You precisely defined it - a computer toy! laughing Dissect ...
                The next step in aviation is unmanned computer toy fighters.
                Here will be a laugh for real! smile
                1. +6
                  20 November 2019 16: 42
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  They buy 2700 F-35 for themselves and approximately 1500 expect to sell.

                  To protect the country, the Americans do not need these aircraft, because there is no one to attack them.
                  Canada or Mexicans threaten?
                  Can the north and south again wet each other? laughing
                  It would be funny ...
                  With nuclear weapons, in the case of a large sheer, these aircraft will not be needed.
                  Why do the Yankees need 2700 aircraft? winked
                  So that involved in the budget people involved. wink
                  1. +2
                    20 November 2019 17: 08
                    The rich have their own quirks laughing
                    They want a lot of planes - they rivet like pies ...
                    1. 0
                      21 November 2019 04: 23
                      ... they want to bomb someone, they will bomb, especially if the profit from this will be from 50% ... oh, these rich with their quirks ...
                2. +7
                  20 November 2019 17: 30
                  Seriously, it seems to me that the 6th generation will not be a drone, but on the contrary with two pilots. The second will control decision-making by electronics and choose "scenarios" ... In general, there are manned aircraft and there is a UAV ... It is not entirely correct to call UAVs aircraft of the 6th generation .. And second, the capabilities of AI are greatly exaggerated, often the automation processes, albeit very detailed and verified, are assigned the functions of AI ... This is not AI ... It is not necessary to pass off what you want as real ... And there are a lot of unresolved issues that AI cannot cope with ... This is, for example, the operation of the "Own-Alien" systems, the impact of electronic warfare systems, changing tactical techniques ...
                  1. 0
                    20 November 2019 18: 44
                    NATO is an AI that would recognize your alien and change tactical actions, but the fact that AI is not yet in the world is true, although it may still be, but still pretty dumb)))),
                  2. +9
                    20 November 2019 19: 40
                    ". And secondly, the capabilities of AI are greatly exaggerated," ////
                    ----
                    Not exaggerated, but understated.
                    Software like AI (dynamically self-learning, and self-writing without the participation of programmers or operators, codes) has already been written.
                    The point is its adaptation to mechanisms.
                    AI on simulators confidently beat (from 3-4 times and further - continuously) in training battles of experienced aces.
                    While they are afraid to attach such "violent" and super-skillful uncontrolled software to control real, ground or air vehicles. But soon it will inevitably happen.
                    In the process of adapting AI, they will beat a couple of dozen drones, but the survivors will already be monsters wassat almost from horror films. The only joy - they also run out of fuel. laughing
                    1. -2
                      21 November 2019 18: 09
                      AI does not exist and cannot be created. You watch a lot of fiction.
                      1. -2
                        21 November 2019 18: 14
                        I don’t watch science fiction at all.
                        And AI has already been created. Moreover, in parallel with a good dozen firms in different countries. It turned out to be much simpler than expected. You do not need to copy a human brain that works too chaotically and universally.
                        1. 0
                          21 November 2019 18: 32
                          And where can I get it? :-)
                        2. -2
                          21 November 2019 18: 43
                          Want to buy stocks? - reasonably ...
                          Google: AI stocks to buy
                          And the full right to such software will cost you tens of millions of dollars. But you can buy, of course,
                          if you know how to apply it.
                        3. 0
                          21 November 2019 19: 20
                          As I understand it, they call it something that, in fact, is not it. The main difference between any of the most advanced programs is the ability to learn without external intervention.
                        4. -2
                          21 November 2019 19: 58
                          "it is the ability to self-learn without outside interference." /////
                          -----
                          good
                          That's right. We are talking about the same thing.
                          According to AI, it writes itself. The code creates itself. Without the participation of a programmer.
                          And such software already exists. It is used more and more widely.
                          But they are not yet used in aviation. There is the usual software.
                        5. 0
                          21 November 2019 20: 04
                          Excuse me, but I do not believe in these tales.
                        6. -2
                          21 November 2019 20: 23
                          This is already taught by students at universities (first degree BA Sc).
                          Subjects: Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning
                          They are very popular in Israel.
                          But you have every right not to believe. hi
                        7. 0
                          21 November 2019 20: 32
                          Here, many do not believe in "Putin cartoons", but for me there is nothing supernatural about it. So what is it that the rocket flies at a speed of 30000 km per hour. Well, it's difficult, but you can do it. But with ai, in my opinion, it smells like a hoax, tk. it's impossible.
                        8. -1
                          21 November 2019 22: 26
                          “But with AI, in my opinion, it smells like a hoax, because it's from the category of the impossible. ”
                          Where is the AI ​​today?
                          “Examples and news in 2019. Artificial intelligence, or AI, is the use of computer programs to simulate the thoughts and actions of a person by analyzing data and the environment, solving or predicting problems, and learning or self-learning to adapt to various tasks.
                          ASIMO Robot stands for Advanced Step in Innovative Mobility. It was created by Honda in 2000 to someday help people in their daily lives. ASIMO is considered one of the most advanced AI Humanoid robots. ”
                          Which country has the most advanced AI?
                          “In China, there are about 1 artificial intelligence companies, accounting for 011% of the world's total, after the United States with 20,53, the report said. The United Kingdom, Canada and India ranked third to fifth in the list of countries with the largest number of artificial intelligence companies. ”
                          You can believe / not believe in AI, but hundreds of companies want to develop / implement AI in many areas of life. Or take a diagnosis in medicine - how many times have we seen in the media that doctors were treating for one disease, but another turned out to be. And not because the doctors are bad - the amount of information on the grounds of illness is so vast, and the differences are so insignificant that a person is not able to make a correct diagnosis. AI will give advice like “ero can be 1) disease A (probability 30%, conduct an additional test for something), 2) disease B (probability 50%, conduct an additional test for something, 3) disease B ( probability of 20%, conduct an additional test for something)
                          Something like that ....
                          By the way, if you want to invest in AI, you need to find a suitable startup for this. There are dozens of platforms for startups where they present themselves and attract sponsors there. If you invest in a startup and its ideas find a market for yourself, you are on a horse. If they don’t find a market, the money is gone. But if they do, then a win of 2 or 3 zeros is guaranteed ....
                        9. 0
                          21 November 2019 23: 47
                          All that you wrote here is not AI. It’s just good and nothing more.
                        10. +1
                          23 November 2019 17: 14
                          I'd rather invest in a revealing startup that proves that all of these so-called AIs aren't really those. Here is a 100% hit.
                          This is just a marketing move to attract investment.
                        11. -1
                          23 November 2019 17: 48
                          Whether we like it or not, the development of AI cannot be stopped. Even Edison himself could not stop the spread of AC, although he really wanted to.
                          But yesterday there was an incident (shown in the news), which could be too tough for AI. In one city, a 911 young woman called the XNUMX emergency service and ordered pizza. The operator answered her that she was mistaken with the number. But after a couple of seconds, she called back and insisted on accepting the pizza order. And the operator realized that this was a witness to domestic violence, which could not say anything in plain text. And the operator asked her about it, she answered positively. After a couple of minutes, the police arrived at her house and detained a man who was mocking the mother of this young woman.
                          The question is, after how many years will AI be able to understand this situation? Whether we like it or not, the development of AI cannot be stopped. Even Edison himself could not stop the spread of AC, although he really wanted to.
                          But yesterday there was an incident (shown in the news), which could be too tough for AI. In one city, a 911 young woman called the XNUMX emergency service and ordered pizza. The operator answered her that she was mistaken with the number. But after a couple of seconds, she called back and insisted on accepting the pizza order. And the operator realized that this was a witness to domestic violence, which could not say anything in plain text. And the operator asked her about it, she answered positively. After a couple of minutes, the police arrived at her house and detained a man who was mocking the mother of this young woman.
                          The question is, after how many years will the AI ​​be able to figure out this situation?
                        12. +2
                          23 November 2019 21: 16
                          If programmers make this case, it will automatically figure it out, but if not, then no.
                          AI does not exist.
                3. +4
                  20 November 2019 19: 24
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  drone laptop toy fighters

                  They do not exist yet, although there are unmanned reconnaissance aircraft, such as the Global Hawk, but there are already means of dealing with them, in the form of electronic warfare. Therefore, the prospect of development in this direction has become illusory. Positioning systems are amazed, that frigates fly in the wrong direction, communication with the "owner" is amazed. The use of EMP is promising, especially with nuclear power, etc. A person who is weak for overload turned out to be resistant to the actions of electronic warfare than AI. Well, the best unmanned fighter is a long-range over-the-horizon air defense / missile defense missile. These missiles will soon exceed the combat radius of the fighters. If Hornet has it 700 km, then 40N6E hits 400 km. And the Nudolev missiles have a range of 1000 km. Therefore, the fighter itself will eventually become an anachronism, even with a man, even with an AI.
            2. +1
              20 November 2019 20: 52
              How many units of F-35 Israel plans to purchase finally? Any adjustments expected?
              1. -1
                20 November 2019 23: 53
                50 pieces.
                Then it is planned to buy 25 F-15s (it’s time to write off the first ones from the 80s).
                Then another 50 F-35
                In parallel, the cancellation of the F-16.
                1. 0
                  21 November 2019 22: 51
                  There is infa, where does the F-15 come from? From storage?
                  1. -1
                    22 November 2019 00: 51
                    They are still being produced.
                    They will buy the last Block. And, as always, with makeweights for Israel. F-15i
            3. 0
              21 November 2019 20: 50
              Quote: voyaka uh
              They buy 2700 F-35 for themselves and approximately 1500 expect to sell.

              Can the question be, why the USA F-35, given its radius, just for itself? Who, someone is going to attack them?
              Not seriously ... why the hell are tanks, for example, as well as England? Who is going to attack the Anglo-Saxons? We are a continental power, and from time to time Europeans forget that we are able to reach their capitals, it’s not difficult for us ... but what about the USA and England?
              What are you flaunting here? 2700 pieces they buy ...
          2. -1
            20 November 2019 15: 23
            Quote: Vladimir16
            We have other tasks.

            =====
            Because the Su-57 is created for needs DEFENSE of Russia!
            Will want to buy "export"version -" You are welcome! "
            They will not want to ..... Well, so - and ... "three "funny Russian letters"......
        2. +8
          20 November 2019 15: 08
          In the American media Recently, materials have begun to be actively published that openly discredit the Russian military aircraft industry.

          In whose eyes? And what do we do with that? Each sandpiper praises its swamp and disapproves of a stranger. This applies to every country. Including ours.
          the refinement process from the moment the test starts can stretch for 3-5 years. Then you can expect the first contracts.

          Almost ten years ago, the first flight instance of the T-50 (Su-57) first flew into the air. Another five years? And given that the time all the time shifted to the right - maybe more. Are the tests taking too long?
        3. +2
          22 November 2019 12: 45
          Do not hesitate, in terms of the number of manufactured and sold abroad, the F35 will be on the first roles! ... The weapon is not a smartphone, there not only the characteristics and price decide, but also politics and in many cases it is the most important factor! ... Russia is still far from the weight of the USA feel
      2. +6
        20 November 2019 17: 55
        Quote: Honest Citizen
        And not only this. It is necessary at the world level to simply "lower" the striped ones with their products. Especially with their Patriot missile defense.

        We did not have time. recourse The Houthis have already lowered their Patriot in Saudi Arabia twice. The first time the Patriot itself was destroyed, and the second time the refinery that these Patriots were covering was destroyed. Well, once the Saudis themselves demonstrated how this "Patriot" after the launch returned "home" and scared all the camels in the Saudi gardens. Yes
    2. +6
      20 November 2019 14: 37
      In general, the media flow from the United States in relation to the Russian aviation industry is more like a frank “black” PR, which is aimed primarily at promoting unfair competition

      Engage in polemics ... they just have more media, they can really drown out everything that is not according to their wishes.
      To do better and so that it is unconditional! Then it will break through.
      1. +1
        20 November 2019 14: 44
        Well, actually, we also have a rather powerful source. This is RT. So we need to use it to the fullest. It is watched and listened to by many in the world. You can also connect the Chinese to the process of "lowering".
        1. 0
          20 November 2019 15: 22
          Quote: Honest Citizen
          RT. So it is necessary to use it in full.
          Do you have any specific complaints about RT? Or is this a general indication?
          1. +5
            20 November 2019 15: 33
            Do you have any specific complaints about RT? Or is this a general indication?

            I wrote somewhere that I have a complaint about RT?
            In fact, when people leave a comment, they usually describe their point of view, or what the commentator himself would do in a given situation.
            I commented on how I personally would try to solve this problem.
            Or now after each comment you need to add IMHO?
            1. +2
              20 November 2019 15: 41
              Quote: Honest Citizen
              as a rule, describe their point of view, or how the commentator himself would act in a given situation
              If they see that in reality it is not done or is not done that way. Nobody offers to open shops in the morning and close them in the evening, they do it themselves; even the offer to "use it in full" would be superfluous, since there is also 24 hours, but no more than necessary. They have permanent courts there and without instructions, or they can hide the plug.
        2. +3
          20 November 2019 16: 16
          Quote: Honest Citizen
          This is RT. So it is necessary to use it in full.

          They work as they are allowed ... there will never be "fair play" against them either.
          They have their own circle of admirers in +, as well as admirers in -!
          If anything changes in +, then it is very slow and within the limits allowed by local authorities.
      2. +4
        20 November 2019 15: 35
        Quote: rocket757
        they just have more media

        There is a tendency to tum that quantity is not synonymous with quality. All over the world, American news is perceived ... vice versa. And what can I say when in the United States itself, but the President himself calls a number of the most powerful American media: fake news wassat Twitter and other social networks are simply spreading the news agencies in the trash of all mastodons. Well, when you eat, food can go back ... They fed the average man with news and their power (and they officially declared themselves the fourth power) also quickly melts ...
        1. +3
          20 November 2019 16: 24
          Quote: hrych
          There is a tendency to tum that quantity is not synonymous with quality

          The public, the crowd, inert and the "slave" of their habits, preferences, etc. ...
          The information war against Russia, the USSR did not start yesterday and has deep roots! Without cutting down which, with something killerly obvious, loud, of the changes we need, we have to wait ... endlessly.
          So we do EVERYTHING better, explicitly and apparently, then the process can go at least somehow!
          Immediately, it simply won’t be, it is necessary to work in the long term.
          1. +1
            20 November 2019 19: 01
            Of course, our plane should be the best, and not because the enemy’s media had nothing to say, but he just had to win in the sky good and let them do whatever they want drinks
            1. +3
              20 November 2019 19: 56
              Friend hi
              Quote: hrych
              he must win in the sky

              And he can do it. Yes
              Quote: hrych
              let the bazaar what they want

              Smoke the sky?
              1. +1
                20 November 2019 20: 01
                Hi brother drinks
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                Smoke the sky?

                We will smoke them ... cobalt laughingradioactive
                1. +3
                  20 November 2019 20: 12
                  Quote: hrych
                  radioactive

                  Will not be enough? soldier wink
                  1. +3
                    20 November 2019 20: 37
                    Quote: bouncyhunter
                    Will not be enough?

                    Maybe Americans mutate, will become kind and responsive good
                    1. +3
                      20 November 2019 20: 40
                      Quote: hrych
                      Americans mutate

                      Undoubtedly.
                      Quote: hrych
                      will become kind and responsive

                      Rather, they will become super mutants. Kindness is definitely not about mattresses.
      3. 0
        21 November 2019 09: 35
        As long as there are countries completely dependent on the states, they will be sucked in by planes even if they are for debt or for natural resources Yes
    3. +3
      20 November 2019 14: 38
      Therefore, they fly into space on our rockets
    4. +2
      20 November 2019 14: 42
      That's when we will satiate our fleet of fighters, then we will bother.
      1. +2
        20 November 2019 14: 48
        "Then" may not come. It will be too late. In this case, you need to work simultaneously. And saturate your park, and think about selling and "stifle" competitors.
        1. 0
          20 November 2019 15: 51
          As history shows, our customer will not get away from us. Moreover, the Yankees are greatly offended with their super devices.
          1. +3
            20 November 2019 15: 53
            If you are talking about missile defense, then yes, you are offended.
            And honestly, I didn’t hear about the penguin, so that they would go too far.
            1. +1
              20 November 2019 15: 54
              Only the lazy did not write about the penguin, even in their media.
    5. +4
      20 November 2019 14: 44
      According to the expert, the task of the US media is simple: to denigrate, at every opportunity, the Russian fifth-generation fighter Su-57, promoting its F-35 on the world market. To overcome this American pressure, Russia needs to work on improving its latest fighter

      A complete solution to the questions about the benefits will be made after analyzing the performance by both aircraft of similar (equivalent) combat missions. And then we'll see who shows someone the tail. I leave no hope of achieving the advantage of the Su-57. So here I am a Russian patriot. Time will tell.
      1. +5
        20 November 2019 17: 10
        Quote: ROSS 42
        So here I am a Russian patriot

        Handsome man Yes
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Time will tell

        Will show. Yes
    6. +6
      20 November 2019 14: 46
      Well, actually, no one ordered the MiG-31 either. Is this bad for us? I don’t think. There are some categories of weapons, before selling which you need to think ten times.
    7. +1
      20 November 2019 14: 54
      Well yes. Poles S-400 "criticize" -USA aircraft.
      "Nice campaign."
    8. +4
      20 November 2019 14: 55
      I wouldn’t let him export at all like the Americans F-22. C would make for export the next lighter weaker AND PRICE. You need to learn from the enemy .....
    9. amr
      +5
      20 November 2019 14: 56
      Damn what is the article ??
      The degradation of VO is evident if all the articles carry such a detailed interview, such a clear coverage of the article in the American yellow press, soon I will simply stop going to this resource !!

      VO is getting worse precisely because of such articles! - about nothing!
      1. +4
        20 November 2019 19: 18
        Comments in the article are more interesting than the publication itself. Sometimes it’s interesting to read the international srach, because people from different countries and cities write opinions, different competencies in matters, someone has it, someone does not, but everyone argues.
    10. +2
      20 November 2019 14: 58
      It’s better to make normal weapons right away than to burn frantically with a flaming ass, like the Yankees like.
      1. +2
        20 November 2019 19: 24
        It will never work right away. It is necessary to launch a series in order to work out technological issues, then we need operational experience (this is years) to identify weaknesses and shortcomings of the product.
        1. +2
          20 November 2019 21: 20
          It will never work right away. It is necessary to launch a series in order to work out technological issues, then we need operational experience (this is years) to identify weaknesses and shortcomings of the product.


          What am I talking about? And about the fact that the Yankees suck in nonsense to all comers, and most often unwanted, and then saw for decades to normal
          1. 0
            20 November 2019 22: 33
            So how many years they sawed it before starting a series, they have been doing it for several years. I think there is not everything as scary as painting.
    11. +9
      20 November 2019 15: 06
      And what, has any US tactical aircraft reached the Su-35 level (with the exception of stealth technology)? bully
      1. -3
        21 November 2019 08: 24
        Quote: Operator
        And what, some US tactical aircraft has already reached the level of Su-35

        that's when after the rain on Thursday on the SU35 put AFAR .... he will reach 4 ++ laughing
    12. +1
      20 November 2019 15: 10
      It seems to me people who make decisions at the state level from whom and what to buy, are of little interest to the opinions of newsagents and left experts. There, everyone perfectly understands what and in what condition they have, denyushki is big.
    13. -1
      20 November 2019 15: 20
      Recently, materials have openly been published in the American media that openly discredit the Russian military aircraft industry.

      Are there still people who believe in media reports?
    14. -5
      20 November 2019 15: 23
      Cool planes - we can. Engines are not. That's all.
    15. +1
      20 November 2019 15: 27
      About the inability of the United States went too far. But it’s strange to talk about foreign contracts when there are no Su-57s in their Air Force yet. Although we are not used to it, there were times. And where are the engines of the second stage? Yes, everything is dragging on. But it’s too early to talk about fundamental inability.
    16. +3
      20 November 2019 15: 57
      Yes, there are a lot of things that are being said overseas
    17. +4
      20 November 2019 16: 00
      I remember the United States praising its Patriot air defense system ... Now something shut up .. I hope the same will happen with the F-35 22 .. The main thing is not to rush, let them stamp more expensive "invisibles" .. And then we'll talk hi
    18. +1
      20 November 2019 16: 11
      When the Su-57 will already be part of the Russian Aerospace Forces and with all the modifications (engines, weapons, etc.), then I think many states will forget about the F-35 with a bunch of its shortcomings.
    19. +1
      20 November 2019 17: 14
      The platforms I would say are excellent, but in avionics we are far behind.
      1. +2
        20 November 2019 17: 28
        They lagged behind, yes it was. At this stage, no longer. It just so happened that we and the Yankees have different ideas about what is needed in this matter.
    20. 0
      20 November 2019 17: 15
      Don't dissuade them. You just have to silently hang on the tail of the "penguin" sometime in the neutral zone and hang until the American starts to become hysterical.
    21. 0
      20 November 2019 17: 30
      Double standarts. Commentators can kick F 35, and Americans cannot criticize Su 57
    22. -3
      20 November 2019 18: 12
      The best schA plane is F-22
      1. +2
        20 November 2019 23: 16
        Yes it is. Therefore, its further production was hindered. He was never positioned in super-maneuverability, and it’s how it turns out ...

        1. +2
          21 November 2019 00: 30
          Taki fighter gaining superiority in the air! Super-maneuverability by rank laid. hi
          1. 0
            21 November 2019 07: 38
            As far as I remember, the wonderful Uriah-patriots of the Russian Federation of all stripes claimed that this was a worthless expensive toy, but our fabulous airplanes ....))) And as a rule they boasted all kinds of videos from the air show. Pagany adversaries, apparently, at that time laughed at their fist, looking at their tweaks.
      2. 0
        21 November 2019 22: 22
        Quote: Diversant Holuy
        The best schA plane is F-22


        I figured it out, it’s a network sadomasochist, it rushes from dislikes. Do not respond to it, do not let the disease progress. Without cons, he will die, do not react to him at all. Not minus not plus. Who does not believe me, go into it, and read his comments. They are all masochistic.
    23. +1
      20 November 2019 18: 30
      Quote: Saboteur Holuay
      The best schA plane is F-22

      Aircraft claiming stealth status without OLS - this is nonsense
      1. 0
        20 November 2019 21: 42
        We have no such close
      2. -2
        20 November 2019 22: 04
        Quote: bars1
        Aircraft claiming stealth status without OLS - this is nonsense


        On the F-22 and without OLS, there are enough passive sensors. However, the OLS will be in the next upgrade.
        1. nks
          +1
          21 November 2019 14: 56
          Will not be. Nearest 3.2b - there is nothing like that. And further on LM has no clear plans. Theoretically, MAWS IR sensors can be used as IRST, but nothing is known about such an implementation in the F-22, and their range is small.
          1. -2
            22 November 2019 21: 59
            Quote: nks
            Will not be. Nearest 3.2b - there is nothing like that.


            3.2b they call update, and there will be another mid-life upgrade.

            Quote: nks
            And further on LM has no clear plans.


            I don't know about "intelligibility", but there are plans:


            In 2024, funding kicks in for sensor enhancements, a project that is expected to run for several years.

            "What we're looking for is a sensor to complement the radar that's on the jet," Merchant said.



            Exploration of AI for the F-22 aligns, in many respects, with the current "sensor fusion" technologies built into the F-35; this includes organizing and displaying information from Electro-Optical / Targeting Systems (EOTS), Distributed Aperture Systems (DAS) and other sensors onto a single screen
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              23 November 2019 17: 26
              In the same text, where did you get the second quote, 3.2b is called upgrade, but that's not the point --- you can call it anything you like. It’s just that the MLU is too serious a thing to not name it explicitly and precisely because the plans are slurred (there is no exact deadline or composition of the MLU. Financing of the MLU program will only begin in 2024) it’s definitely not the nearest upgrade. The IRST in the MLU f-22 may very well be done, but now the f-22 still remains an imperfection, which is not a cake for an aircraft that has been in operation for 14 years.
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                23 November 2019 17: 48
                Quote: nks
                now f-22 still remains an imperfection


                smile
                1. nks
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                  23 November 2019 18: 05
                  Well, yes, it’s funny for us, but f-22 pilots have a sore neck
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                    23 November 2019 19: 10
                    I find it funny that people believe in "F-22 pilots have a sore neck", but not 108: 0.
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                      23 November 2019 21: 03
                      If you were bigger and more attentively got acquainted with the topic under discussion, then they would operate with the categories believe / do not believe less. As for the neck hurts - this, of course, is my personal hyperbole, but the fact is that the F-22 pilot complained of poor situational awareness and that he constantly has to turn his head in a really difficult tactical situation in the Syrian sky. This is caused by a number of shortcomings - both in communication capabilities and in the implementation of circular tracking (although the sensors do allow, but the software has not been completed ... what a decent data fusion there). And by the way, he doesn't have his grandfather's mirrors in the cockpit either. This is just a real situation, and the data about 108: 0 in training battles without any details against what type of "enemy aircraft" is not clear is simply not interesting, when many types have confirmed training victories over the f-22, including those from the USAF USN ...
                      You can believe / not believe it, but I don’t think that someone would just give the EA-22G pilot (!) A f-18 badge on board
                      https://theaviationgeekclub.com/ea-18g-with-f-22-kill-mark-what-is-the-effectiveness-of-growlers-jamming-system-against-f-22-and-f-35-stealth-fighters/. Я уж не говорю про знаменитое видео с рафалем, когда амеровские официалы прошли все степени принятия правды. Причем в реальном бою против рафаля у F-22 шансы были бы еще меньше, так как у рафаля с круговой ситуационной осведомленностью все в порядке и он является (в версии F3R) единственным на данный момент МФИ в мире, который продемонстрировал поражение цели в заднюю полусферу с ЦУ собственных датчиков (и первым, кто это сделал с внешнего ЦУ)
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      20 November 2019 18: 37
      what kind of nonsense is this article))), Americans denigrate the su57 because it would promote its f35, it’s not bullshit, it doesn’t represent any kind of competition for the su-57 f 35, as the Minister of Defense clearly stated that this plane is only for Russian VKS, and it will not be exported
    25. +1
      20 November 2019 19: 44
      I’d say so here, how can those who can’t even fly into orbit about planes?
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      20 November 2019 20: 10
      Honored pilot commented on statements in the US on the inability of the Russian Federation to produce high-quality aircraft
      As if for those who know how to think, the heading alone makes you think ... Maybe this honored pilot has already served his? Maybe you don’t need to PR like that (of course, everyone needs money) or try to get into politics - deputies? Still, he seems to be like a pilot ?! What am I talking about .. What does the pilot have to do with production? Type of cook in economists? Or did this honored pilot, at least fly on most of the aircraft of both the USSR, the Russian Federation and the USA, including the F-22, F-35?
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      20 November 2019 22: 19
      What the hell excuse !!!
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      20 November 2019 22: 29
      Toga what the fig states pretend that they are afraid of us?
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        12 December 2019 17: 58
        if the Russian Federation was not there, it would have to be invented in order to justify the presence of such an army, and which, in the USA, they want to eat and not only eat
    29. +1
      21 November 2019 05: 53
      Gentlemen, you are trolling in black, and you start! Indeed, in the article there is not a single fact with reference to sources, some common phrases! Where is your famous “Give the facts!” Author, facts on the table! ”
      Are you shallowed by the mind, or what?
      Yes, today, only in NI, two interesting articles on the topic:
      “Russia is laughing at the American fighter F-15EX”
      https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russia-laughing-americas-f-15ex-fighter-97982
      By the way, he laughs at his age, since 1980, although due to the state of fatigue of the material it can fly until 2030. Here to replace
      F-15C and the advanced F-15EX will come.
      Or a very interesting article (again in today's issue)
      “What happened to the Russian version of the SR-71 Blackbird?”
      https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/what-happened-russian-version-sr-71-blackbird-98182
      “For example, during the 1950s and 60s, the United States invested heavily in various spy planes designed to infiltrate enemy airspace, such as the high-altitude RB-57 and U-2, followed by Mach-3 A -12 and SR-71 Blackbird.
      “Nevertheless, the brilliant Soviet engineer Pavel Tsybin was close to developing the“ Soviet blackbird, ”although it actually preceded the A-12 / Blackbird for several years and was originally conceived as a nuclear bomber.
      “Compared to well-known Soviet bureaus such as Mikoyan and Gurevich (MiG), Sukhoi and Tupolev, the OKB-256 design bureau headed by Tsybin remained small and had to fight for its small part of the Soviet defense budget. But in 1954, an aircraft engineer suggested developing a jet bomber with a jet engine capable of flying at a speed three times the speed of sound. ”
      Etc. Very interesting article, objective and truthful.
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      21 November 2019 12: 30
      That is, the "honored" did not say anything concrete.
      develop, strengthen, ... yat.

      Well, "Blackening" - and in our internet there is such a high point about their planes, it is very expensive to listen to ...

      So nothing personal. Only money. What does not smell.
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      21 November 2019 19: 31
      The United States sells its products through sanctions or the threat of sanctions. Who then wants to contact them? When, in response to US sanctions, we can lend to our customers ourselves, then everything will change.
    32. 0
      21 November 2019 21: 37
      yet another paid "expert" discusses and tries to justify the plane, which will not enter service for several years. especially it's funny to compare with American planes
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      12 December 2019 17: 56
      yeah ... with aftermarket so it’s not like superjets ...

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