In the US, about the 2013 incident of the year: F-22 pilot mocked Iranian Air Force F-4 pilot over the Persian Gulf

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Details of the "incident" appeared in the American press, which featured American and Iranian weapons aviation back in 2013. Previously, the information was classified, but this year it was gradually made public. However, it is not entirely clear what secrecy was associated with.

So, some time ago, Pentagon spokesman George Little reported that McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom fighter-interceptors belonging to the Iranian Air Force took off to intercept the American multi-purpose drone MQ-1 Predator.



Details of the incident are published by the American portal Aviationist. The material said that in March 4, a pair of Iranian F-2013 Phantom tried to intercept a US Air Force UAV moving in international airspace near Iran’s air borders over the Persian Gulf.

When the Iranian fighter interceptors approached the drone at a distance of about 25 km, the American planes that accompanied the MQ-1 Predator at that time transmitted a warning signal. We are talking about F-22 fighters, which the American command decided to use to escort after an Iranian attempt to shoot down a similar drone for several months - previously using the Su-25 attack aircraft.

F-22, according to some reports, were assigned to the American military base in Al Jafra (UAE).

According to the publication, the new details were revealed by American General Mark Welch (Air Force Chief of Staff), saying literally the following:

Then steal fighters F-22 prevented the interception of our drone. Our pilots flew up to the Iranian F-4, flew under them to check the weapons of Iran’s interceptors. And they did not know that they were F-22 nearby. When the F-22 went to the left wing (F-4) and slowed down, our pilot said: “You should go back home.”

The material after such words by General Welsh stated that the actions of American pilots can be considered a mockery or mockery of their Iranian colleagues. The title of the material already speaks for itself: "The F-22 pilot mocked (mocked) the F-4 pilot over the Persian Gulf"

At the same time, American experts are asking the question: did the F-22 really manage to remain invisible to the F-4 Iranian Air Force until approaching at close range?

From the material:
Were fighter jets monitored by AWACS? (...) In any case, the American pilot managed to scare off Iranian pilots and save the drone. A happy ending worthy of an action movie.
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    1. +18
      20 November 2019 14: 05
      Hollywood has no plans to make a "blockbuster" because of this ?!
      Straight "worried" ....
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. +6
        20 November 2019 14: 11
        Blockbuster "Taunts of the gray invisibility" wassat
      3. +5
        20 November 2019 14: 14
        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
        Hollywood has no plans to make a "blockbuster" because of this ?!
        Straight "worried" ....

        What is there to be proud of? Own over? fool Something is not heard of such incidents with modern aircraft .... stop
      4. +14
        20 November 2019 14: 31
        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
        Hollywood has no plans to make a "blockbuster" because of this ?!
        Straight "worried" ....

        Better to be removed, as the Yugoslav air defense "did not notice" the F-117.
        1. +6
          20 November 2019 16: 07
          Well, the Serbs didn’t really notice him .. if they knew they hadn’t shot down .. but they would just neigh.)
        2. -8
          20 November 2019 20: 28
          Better to be removed, as the Yugoslav air defense "did not notice" the F-117.
          What is your bravado? Or let's talk about the fact that "heroic" Yugoslavia is now absent as a class ?! Or that they can't shoot films there anymore? Or what is behind them, now the films are being made by the "lowered" USA? Treat your head!
      5. +14
        20 November 2019 15: 01
        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
        Hollywood has no plans to make a "blockbuster" because of this ?!
        Straight "worried" ....

        The script is already ready. In the cockpit of F-4 sat Ahmedini Jad and Ayatollah Hammeni. The F-22 was piloted by Captain America, led by the Tin Woodman. President Barack Obama personally supervised the operation from the aircraft carrier Donald Clinton. From the Iranian side, Baghdadi Bin Laden led the operation. During the confrontation, the forces of good won a decisive victory over the forces of evil and eliminated Osama Baghdadi bin Husseinovich. True, the Iranians managed to capture and brutally torture the FBI agent Khashtogi, and Kim Il Chin burned a dozen Yugoslav villages with napalm. In addition to the film, these events will be played in the new part of the Call of Duty.
        1. SOF
          +1
          21 November 2019 06: 56
          Quote: tomket
          The script is ready.

          good laughing .... neighing from the heart !!! .....
        2. 0
          21 November 2019 15: 59
          Yeah! You should go to Hollywood. Such a scenario disappears! laughing
    2. +21
      20 November 2019 14: 07
      Well, the American special forces taken by the Iranians on boats were not laughing, the Iranian sailors examined the mattresses from all sides, checked their weapons and eggs, for the absence of the second they said: "You really have to go home."
      1. +5
        20 November 2019 14: 52
        Roman, I’ll continue your phrase - “You really have to go home” ... girls and don’t cry, everything will be fine lol Here is a real-life scenario of the blockbuster "Everything will be Karasho"
    3. +4
      20 November 2019 14: 10
      “You have to go home.”
      I agree, the Yankees go home!)))
    4. -6
      20 November 2019 14: 10
      Maybe ... One European pilot said in an interview after a joint exercise that when the Raptor is already visible with his eyes, like a dot in the sky, the radar screen is still blank.
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      2. +21
        20 November 2019 14: 19
        This European pilot needs to have a snack so that there are no hallucinations. It wasn’t from the joint Ukrainian-American exercises that the European pilot was? His last name was not Poroshenko by chance? He could have cheated.
        1. -4
          20 November 2019 15: 01
          Someone from Typhoon Eurofighter. They had exercises against F-22
          1. 0
            20 November 2019 17: 57
            "Forty barrels of prisoners and all in the forest" ...
        2. 0
          22 November 2019 11: 31
          The funny thing is that no one is considering the option that the Euro-moon was simply told what it should say))))
      3. +6
        20 November 2019 14: 19
        Something right is absolutely fantastic.
      4. +22
        20 November 2019 14: 23
        voyaka uh (Alexey), no need to write nonsense on the American fake! As always, from you the same thing ... Just babbling, and "written on the fence" or "Fedya said."
      5. +15
        20 November 2019 14: 32
        when the raptor is already visible through the eyes,

        YES YOU WHAT ??? How so visible with the eyes? He is invisible. lol You slander your overseas partners!
      6. +2
        20 November 2019 14: 55
        Alexei, you have to believe Jehovah, not an American plane am And not call others to believe in an idol by reciting new "scriptures from your own New Age Bible"
      7. +3
        20 November 2019 15: 04
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Maybe ... One European pilot said in an interview after a joint exercise that when the Raptor is already visible with his eyes, like a dot in the sky, the radar screen is still blank.

        Well, if the pilot still spoke on what type of aircraft he was flying, what modes the radar was on)))))) And then, after all, the key condition for Americans with the participation of f-22 is flying without radars. Something like this)
      8. +1
        20 November 2019 15: 38
        Maybe ... One European pilot said in an interview after a joint exercise that when the Raptor is already visible with his eyes, like a dot in the sky, the radar screen is still blank.

        Yes, this is when the teachings with the Raphaels were.
      9. +6
        20 November 2019 16: 11
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Maybe ... One European pilot said in an interview after a joint exercise that when the Raptor is already visible with his eyes, like a dot in the sky, the radar screen is still blank.

        Well, this is overkill. Visually, it can be seen as a point from a distance of 15-20 km, depending on the angle and state of the atmosphere. Even for old PFAR it is practically "point-blank", here even with RCS of 0,001 m the mark will light up. Not to mention the fact that stealth is not all-aspect. And by the way, how then does the head of the AIM-120 capture an inconspicuous fighter from 5-7 km, many times inferior in energy to the aircraft radar, "blind" by 15 km?

        In very special conditions, when a fighter against the backdrop of the setting sun is visible for 70-90 km - yes, yes, maybe.
        1. -2
          20 November 2019 16: 19
          Ask these questions not to me, but to that pilot who participated in training air battles. European Typhoons, Rafali and Americans flew there.
          1. +6
            20 November 2019 17: 32
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Ask these questions not to me, but to that pilot who participated in training air battles. European Typhoons, Rafali and Americans flew there.

            Was there a pilot? (with)
          2. 0
            21 November 2019 18: 24
            Find this interview and post it here, we'll see what the pilot meant.
      10. +5
        20 November 2019 16: 26
        Forgot to turn on the radar? Or is European technology so bad that it cannot see a metal ball the size of a soccer ball at a distance of only 10 km? Then how can they make out an object the size of a railway carriage at a distance of kilometers from 120? Somewhere still lie!
      11. +3
        20 November 2019 18: 56
        a point in the sky is how many kilometers ...? and there are different points, on a clear night look up at the sky, there is a flow of funny points ........................
    5. +3
      20 November 2019 14: 12
      Anyone can offend the weak. Not everyone understands that the weak can later go to the boxing section and build muscle ....
      1. +3
        20 November 2019 14: 29
        Weak? Recently, Iran showed the latest on-board radar Iranian Air Force F4E of its own design. In addition, Iran produces Fakour-90 air-to-air missiles with a maximum range of 150-200 km.
        1. +3
          20 November 2019 14: 38
          And what did he show in 2013? ... Here I am about that. Iran, while in the section goes ....
    6. +9
      20 November 2019 14: 24
      They would still drove IL 2 to f22. And in general, why send B.P. L. And if you need to escort him with a fighter that the escort aircraft itself cannot perform the functions that B. P. L. Why is such a waste of logic. Or are they still afraid that they will be hit.
      1. +2
        20 November 2019 14: 53
        Duc, looks like a provocation, they shoot down a drone, and then shoot them down.
        1. +1
          20 November 2019 15: 29
          Well, if only yes, I agree with them.
      2. -4
        20 November 2019 20: 40
        They would still drove IL 2 to f22.
        Well, no one bothers to interfere with a plane that has not been produced for a long time, with a plane that has not yet been made! Double standarts?! No! Happatriotism!
    7. +5
      20 November 2019 14: 35
      Yes, this is a reason for pride for mattresses: to mock a plane of OWN MANUFACTURE but 2 generations older than mocking .....
    8. +6
      20 November 2019 14: 37
      I strongly doubt that the F-4 flew exactly to shoot down. As an ordinary event - to identify the target. As an option - to steal EW containers on its territory. Since the Americans kept secret and had to accompany UAVs with manned aircraft, the second one doesn’t sound so fantastic. Tales of the inaudibly sneaking stealth will be left to Hollywood and the American inhabitants.
      1. 0
        21 November 2019 18: 40
        Maybe they flew to attract the attention of f22, to shine a little on him with radar.
        1. +1
          22 November 2019 07: 57
          The fact that the Americans needed to push the F-22 close to Iranian aircraft to identify their weapons speaks in favor of a hijacked version. I admit even a special operation - the Iranians were deliberately provoked to find out how they intercept UAVs.
          1. 0
            22 November 2019 12: 22
            I strongly doubt that Iran has any containers for aircraft that could take control of an unmanned aerial vehicle. Maybe the ground services have something similar.
            1. +1
              22 November 2019 12: 37
              Ground-based electronic warfare is unlikely to "kill" all satellite channels at once, they have already figured it out a hundred times. But electronic warfare on top of the UAV can create that umbrella that will give the UAV the desired positioning signal and close the feedback from the operator with noise. This IRI can. These are the container electronic warfare that the F-22 expected to spy on. I would have seen - shot down an F-4, and the divers were most likely already sitting in their fins and waiting. If it was a planned hunt according to a Hollywood script.
              1. 0
                22 November 2019 14: 54
                Directly some kind of action movie. Why can't a ground station retell a satellite signal? It is closer than a satellite and its signal may initially be stronger than that of a satellite or aircraft. Maybe it certainly is. But we don’t even have EW containers, where did Iran come from?
                1. 0
                  25 November 2019 06: 48
                  Quote: Herman 4223
                  Why can't a ground station retell a satellite signal?

                  Browse through similar topics in VO, there were a lot of discussions and everything was spelled out. I will not repeat myself.
    9. +1
      20 November 2019 14: 56
      And when were the Su-25 F-22 did not fly up ...
    10. +1
      20 November 2019 15: 03
      The Iranians have officially announced to them that they do not want to escalate the situation, and therefore do not shoot them down, as recently with a drone, which they shot down, and people demonstratively spared.
    11. +3
      20 November 2019 15: 17
      "....In any case, the American pilot managed to scare away the Iranian pilots and save the drone. A happy ending worthy of an action movie. "

      But weak, shoot an action movie, how does Iran bring down your UAVs?
      And he "clicked" a lot of them.
      - in 2011 RQ-170, - Planted in Iran, almost a whole.
      - in 2018 MQ-9 (in Yemen),
      Last June 21.06.2019, 4 RQ-12A over the Gulf of Hormuz. Presumably, the Russian air defense system "Kub" or Buk - MXNUMX.
      Trump squealed on Twitter, menacingly: - "Iran made a very big mistake", later relented: - "I find it hard to believe that this was done on purpose."
      A total of 4 were shot down. Each costs 220 million dlr.
      By the way, why did you find out that the F-16 plane will also be from yours, and not from Iran.
      So who are you laughing at, gentlemen? ... You are laughing at yourself! Yes
    12. +2
      20 November 2019 15: 58
      I think sat at the helm .. Bruce Willis) well, or Chuck Noris))
    13. +3
      20 November 2019 17: 21
      But the next time the Iranians made the right conclusions and shot down several American drones worth tens of millions of dollars with impunity. And the wreckage was transferred to Russia, taking almost a whole copy. And they also laughed nicely. Including over the F-22, which this time "did not smog".
    14. 0
      20 November 2019 17: 53
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Maybe ... One European pilot said in an interview after a joint exercise that when the Raptor is already visible with his eyes, like a dot in the sky, the radar screen is still blank.


      Come on. Sitting in the cabin of the ship, he absolutely calmly determined who flew past - F-16, Tornado, Grippen or Mirage ......
    15. -2
      20 November 2019 17: 54
      Iran, before AyatOll, had quite decent Air Force, which in the region, quantitatively, but not qualitatively, were inferior, except perhaps the Israeli Air Force. And now, at the ass level ... AyatOllah ... What to take from them ... recourse
    16. 0
      20 November 2019 19: 23
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Maybe ... One European pilot said in an interview after a joint exercise that when the Raptor is already visible with his eyes, like a dot in the sky, the radar screen is still blank.

      Bebe Mayses?
    17. +3
      20 November 2019 22: 55
      A fifth-generation American-made aircraft came in from behind from below a plane of its own production, but of the younger generation, outside the radar ... And at the same time boast of its uniqueness?
      Why don't they remember how the F22 similarly hit the SU-35's gun?
    18. 0
      21 November 2019 01: 50
      I am writing my comment after 45 and the previous one.
      Once again, I am convinced that the Russian media are right to write about the deterioration of education in Russia. No one bothered to find the original article and make sure that this info with a 6-year-old beard was published on September 19, 2013.
      https://theaviationist.com/2013/09/19/f-22-f-4-intercept/
      And they did not try to find it because they did not fulfill Lenin's covenants.
      Lenin said: "Learn English, the source of knowledge." And after a pause he added “and money, too.”
      Gentlemen, without searching for the original and reading it, you will be hung in large numbers on your ears in a large number, as in a phrase (from the article)
      “... Details of the“ incident ”appeared in the American press, which featured American and Iranian military aircraft in 2013. ”
      Details appeared in 2013, and the episode occurred in the same 2013.
      Or
      “... Previously, the information was classified, and this year it was gradually made public. However, it is not entirely clear what the secrecy was related to. ”
      There was no secret, as you yourself have seen, published shortly after the incident.
      By the way, The Aviationist website is very interesting for its aviation news, I recommend it.
      Here are his old articles:
      2016
      “The F-15E Strike Eagles was unable to shoot down the F-35 in 8 air battles during a simulated deployment”
      https://theaviationist.com/2016/06/27/f-15e-strike-eagles-unable-to-shoot-down-the-f-35s-in-8-dogfights-during-simulated-deployment/
      or
      2013 “Under no circumstances will the F-35 be able to match the Typhoon fighter in aerial combat,” says test pilot Eurofighter.
      https://theaviationist.com/2013/02/11/typhoon-aerial-combat/
    19. 0
      21 November 2019 22: 44
      Such a story, and even better, and I can come up with ... The question is different, why did they raise it now, if that is true at all ...
    20. 0
      21 November 2019 23: 11
      Remember: an invisible plane swept past with a roar and a roar ...
    21. 0
      22 November 2019 12: 35
      The United States is working hard to prevent Russia from selling Iran the latest fighters and other weapons. When Iran has this weapon, then the Americans will need to conduct training to quickly replace diapers!
    22. 0
      23 November 2019 13: 58
      Quote: Janek
      Well, the Serbs didn’t really notice him .. if they knew they hadn’t shot down .. but they would just neigh.)

      no, they just didn’t know that he was invisible, that’s what they shot down, excuse me, lol
    23. -1
      20 December 2019 08: 55
      American detection tools do not see a more modern American aircraft. So no one will see him. All American intrigue.

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