In the US, about the 2013 incident of the year: F-22 pilot mocked Iranian Air Force F-4 pilot over the Persian Gulf


Details of the "incident" appeared in the American press, which featured American and Iranian weapons aviation back in 2013. Previously, the information was classified, but this year it was gradually made public. However, it is not entirely clear what secrecy was associated with.


So, some time ago, the Pentagon spokesman George Little reported that the Iranian Air Force McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom fighter-interceptors took to the air to intercept the American multi-purpose drone MQ-1 Predator.

Details of the incident are published by the American portal Aviationist. The material said that in March 4, a pair of Iranian F-2013 Phantom tried to intercept a US Air Force UAV moving in international airspace near Iran’s air borders over the Persian Gulf.

When the Iranian fighter interceptors approached the drone at a distance of about 25 km, the American planes that accompanied the MQ-1 Predator at that time transmitted a warning signal. We are talking about F-22 fighters, which the American command decided to use to escort after an Iranian attempt to shoot down a similar drone for several months - previously using the Su-25 attack aircraft.

F-22, according to some reports, were assigned to the American military base in Al Jafra (UAE).

According to the publication, the new details were revealed by American General Mark Welch (Air Force Chief of Staff), saying literally the following:

Then steal fighters F-22 prevented the interception of our drone. Our pilots flew up to the Iranian F-4, flew under them to check the weapons of Iran’s interceptors. And they did not know that they were F-22 nearby. When the F-22 went to the left wing (F-4) and slowed down, our pilot said: “You should go back home.”

The material after such words by General Welsh stated that the actions of American pilots can be considered a mockery or mockery of their Iranian colleagues. The title of the material already speaks for itself: "The F-22 pilot mocked (mocked) the F-4 pilot over the Persian Gulf"

At the same time, American experts are asking the question: did the F-22 really manage to remain invisible to the F-4 Iranian Air Force until approaching at close range?

From the material:
Were fighter jets monitored by AWACS? (...) In any case, the American pilot managed to scare off Iranian pilots and save the drone. A happy ending worthy of an action movie.
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  1. Andrey Chistyakov 20 November 2019 14: 05 New
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    Hollywood does not plan to remove the “blockbuster” because of this ?!
    Directly "worried" ....
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    2. Romka47 20 November 2019 14: 11 New
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      Blockbuster "Taunts of the Gray Invisibility" wassat
    3. Hunter 2 20 November 2019 14: 14 New
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      Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
      Hollywood does not plan to remove the “blockbuster” because of this ?!
      Directly "worried" ....

      What is there to be proud of? Own over? fool Something is not heard of such incidents with modern aircraft .... stop
    4. Cut Samshitov 20 November 2019 14: 31 New
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      Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
      Hollywood does not plan to remove the “blockbuster” because of this ?!
      Directly "worried" ....

      Better to remove it, as the Yugoslav air defense "did not notice" the F-117.
      1. janeck 20 November 2019 16: 07 New
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        Well, the Serbs didn’t really notice him .. if they knew they hadn’t shot down .. but they would just neigh.)
      2. GibSoN 20 November 2019 20: 28 New
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        Better to remove it, as the Yugoslav air defense "did not notice" the F-117.
        What is your bravado? Or talk about the fact that the "heroic" Yugoslavia is now absent as a class ?! Or that films can no longer be made there? Or that for them, now the films are shot by the "lowered" USA? Treat your head!
    5. tomket 20 November 2019 15: 01 New
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      Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
      Hollywood does not plan to remove the “blockbuster” because of this ?!
      Directly "worried" ....

      The script is ready. Ahmedini Jad and Ayatollah Hammen sat in the cockpit of the F-4. The F-22 was piloted by Captain America, the lumberjack was led. The president of the operation, the President of Barack Obama, personally led the operation from the aircraft carrier Donald Clinton. From Iran, the operation was led by Baghdadi Bin Laden. During the confrontation, the forces of good won a decisive victory over the forces of evil, and eliminated Osama Baghdadi bin Husseinovich. True, the Iranians managed to capture and brutally torture the FBI agent Khashtogi, and Kim Il Chyn napalm burned a dozen Yugoslav villages. In addition to the film, these events will be played in the new part of the Call of Duty.
      1. SOF
        SOF 21 November 2019 06: 56 New
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        Quote: tomket
        The script is ready.

        good laughing .... neighing from the heart !!! .....
      2. ltc35 21 November 2019 15: 59 New
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        Yeah! You should go to Hollywood. Such a scenario disappears! laughing
  2. Romka47 20 November 2019 14: 07 New
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    Well, the American special forces taken by the Iranians on boats were not laughing, the Iranian sailors examined the mattresses from all sides, checked their weapons and eggs, for the absence of the second they said: "You really have to go home."
    1. Demon_is_ada 20 November 2019 14: 52 New
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      Roman, I’ll continue your phrase - “You really have to go home” ... girls and don’t cry, everything will be fine lol Here is the real blockbuster script "Everything will be Karasho"
  3. Thunderbolt 20 November 2019 14: 10 New
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    “You have to go home.”
    I agree, the Yankees go home!)))
  4. voyaka uh 20 November 2019 14: 10 New
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    Maybe ... One European pilot said in an interview after a joint exercise that when the Raptor is already visible with his eyes, like a dot in the sky, the radar screen is still blank.
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    2. Sky strike fighter 20 November 2019 14: 19 New
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      This European pilot needs to have a snack so that there are no hallucinations. It wasn’t from the joint Ukrainian-American exercises that the European pilot was? His last name was not Poroshenko by chance? He could have cheated.
      1. voyaka uh 20 November 2019 15: 01 New
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        Someone from Typhoon Eurofighter. They had exercises against F-22
        1. Nycomed 20 November 2019 17: 57 New
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          "Forty barrels of prisoners and all the forest" ...
      2. Russian Central Asian 22 November 2019 11: 31 New
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        The funny thing is that no one is considering the option that the Euro-moon was simply told what it should say))))
    3. Recon 20 November 2019 14: 19 New
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      Something right is absolutely fantastic.
    4. Grigory Gromov 20 November 2019 14: 23 New
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      voyaka uh (Alexey), do not write nonsense on an American fake! As always, it’s the same thing from you ... Just babble, and "it’s written on the fence" or "Fedya said."
    5. bk316 20 November 2019 14: 32 New
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      when the raptor is already visible through the eyes,

      YES YOU WHAT ??? How so visible with the eyes? He is invisible. lol You slander your overseas partners!
    6. Demon_is_ada 20 November 2019 14: 55 New
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      Alexei, you have to believe Jehovah, not an American plane am And do not call for faith in the idol of others, telling new "scriptures from their own New Age Bible"
    7. tomket 20 November 2019 15: 04 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      Maybe ... One European pilot said in an interview after a joint exercise that when the Raptor is already visible with his eyes, like a dot in the sky, the radar screen is still blank.

      Well, if the pilot still spoke on what type of aircraft he was flying, what modes the radar was on)))))) And then, after all, the key condition for Americans with the participation of f-22 is flying without radars. Something like this)
    8. Jack O'Neill 20 November 2019 15: 38 New
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      Maybe ... One European pilot said in an interview after a joint exercise that when the Raptor is already visible with his eyes, like a dot in the sky, the radar screen is still blank.

      Yes, this is when the teachings with the Raphaels were.
    9. Gust 20 November 2019 16: 11 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      Maybe ... One European pilot said in an interview after a joint exercise that when the Raptor is already visible with his eyes, like a dot in the sky, the radar screen is still blank.

      Well, this is already too much. Visually, as a point, it can be seen from a distance of 15-20 km, depending on the angle and state of the atmosphere. Even for older PFAR it’s practically “point blank”; here, even with an ESR of 0,001 m, the mark will light up. Not to mention the fact that stealth is not all-perspective. And by the way, how then does the AIM-120 head capture a stealth fighter from 5-7 km, many times inferior in energy to the 15 km “blind” aircraft radar?

      In very special conditions, when a fighter against the backdrop of the setting sun is visible for 70-90 km - yes, yes, maybe.
      1. voyaka uh 20 November 2019 16: 19 New
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        Ask these questions not to me, but to that pilot who participated in training air battles. European Typhoons, Rafali and Americans flew there.
        1. neri73-r 20 November 2019 17: 32 New
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          Ask these questions not to me, but to that pilot who participated in training air battles. European Typhoons, Rafali and Americans flew there.

          Was there a pilot? (with)
        2. Herman 4223 21 November 2019 18: 24 New
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          Find this interview and post it here, we'll see what the pilot meant.
    10. Horon 20 November 2019 16: 26 New
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      Forgot to turn on the radar? Or is European technology so bad that it cannot see a metal ball the size of a soccer ball at a distance of only 10 km? Then how can they make out an object the size of a railway carriage at a distance of kilometers from 120? Somewhere still lie!
    11. Lone gunman 20 November 2019 18: 56 New
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      a point in the sky is how many kilometers ...? and there are different points, on a clear night look up at the sky, there is a flow of funny points ........................
  5. The leader of the Redskins 20 November 2019 14: 12 New
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    Anyone can offend the weak. Not everyone understands that the weak can later go to the boxing section and build muscle ....
    1. Sky strike fighter 20 November 2019 14: 29 New
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      Weak? Recently, Iran showed the latest on-board radar Iranian Air Force F4E of its own design. In addition, Iran produces Fakour-90 air-to-air missiles with a maximum range of 150-200 km.
      1. The leader of the Redskins 20 November 2019 14: 38 New
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        And what did he show in 2013? ... Here I am about that. Iran, while in the section goes ....
  6. A.K. 20 November 2019 14: 24 New
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    They would still drove IL 2 to f22. And in general, why send B.P. L. And if you need to escort him with a fighter that the escort aircraft itself cannot perform the functions that B. P. L. Why is such a waste of logic. Or are they still afraid that they will be hit.
    1. Cruorvult 20 November 2019 14: 53 New
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      Duc, looks like a provocation, they shoot down a drone, and then shoot them down.
      1. A.K. 20 November 2019 15: 29 New
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        Well, if only yes, I agree with them.
    2. GibSoN 20 November 2019 20: 40 New
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      They would still drove IL 2 to f22.
      Well, no one bothers to interfere with a plane that has not been produced for a long time, with a plane that has not yet been made! Double standarts?! No! Happatriotism!
  7. bk316 20 November 2019 14: 35 New
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    Yes, this is a reason for pride for mattresses: to mock a plane of OWN MANUFACTURE but 2 generations older than mocking .....
  8. g1washntwn 20 November 2019 14: 37 New
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    I strongly doubt that the F-4 flew exactly to shoot down. As an ordinary event - to identify the target. As an option - to steal EW containers on its territory. Since the Americans kept secret and had to accompany UAVs with manned aircraft, the second one doesn’t sound so fantastic. Tales of the inaudibly sneaking stealth will be left to Hollywood and the American inhabitants.
    1. Herman 4223 21 November 2019 18: 40 New
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      Maybe they flew to attract the attention of f22, to shine a little on him with radar.
      1. g1washntwn 22 November 2019 07: 57 New
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        The fact that the Americans needed to push the F-22 close to Iranian aircraft to identify their weapons speaks in favor of a hijacked version. I admit even a special operation - the Iranians were deliberately provoked to find out how they intercept UAVs.
        1. Herman 4223 22 November 2019 12: 22 New
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          I strongly doubt that Iran has any containers for aircraft that could take control of an unmanned aerial vehicle. Maybe the ground services have something similar.
          1. g1washntwn 22 November 2019 12: 37 New
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            Ground-based electronic warfare is unlikely to “overwhelm” all satellite channels at once, they have been wondering a hundred times already. But EW on top of the UAV can create that umbrella that will give the UAV the desired positioning signal and close the feedback with the operator by noise. Such an Iran can. It was these container EWs that the F-22 expected to peep. I would have seen - shot down the F-4, and the divers most likely already sat in flippers and waited. If it was a planned hunt according to the Hollywood script.
            1. Herman 4223 22 November 2019 14: 54 New
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              Directly some kind of action movie. Why can't a ground station retell a satellite signal? It is closer than a satellite and its signal may initially be stronger than that of a satellite or aircraft. Maybe it certainly is. But we don’t even have EW containers, where did Iran come from?
              1. g1washntwn 25 November 2019 06: 48 New
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                Quote: Herman 4223
                Why can't a ground station retell a satellite signal?

                Browse through similar topics in VO, there were a lot of discussions and everything was spelled out. I will not repeat myself.
  9. knn54 20 November 2019 14: 56 New
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    And when were the Su-25 F-22 did not fly up ...
  10. ivanec 20 November 2019 15: 03 New
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    The Iranians have officially announced to them that they do not want to escalate the situation, and therefore do not shoot them down, as recently with a drone, which they shot down, and people demonstratively spared.
  11. askort154 20 November 2019 15: 17 New
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    "....In any case, the American pilot managed to scare off Iranian pilots and save the drone. A happy ending worthy of an action movie. "

    But weak, shoot an action movie, how does Iran bring down your UAVs?
    And he "clicked" them already quite a few.
    - in 2011 RQ-170, - Planted in Iran, almost a whole.
    - in 2018 MQ-9 (in Yemen),
    Last June 21.06.2019, 4 RQ-12A over the Gulf of Hormuz. Presumably, the Russian air defense system "Cube" or Buk - MXNUMX.
    Trump squealed on Twitter already, menacingly: - "Iran made a very big mistake," later, softened: - "It’s hard for me to believe that this was done intentionally."
    A total of 4 were shot down. Each costs 220 million dlr.
    By the way, why did you find out that the F-16 plane will also be from yours, and not from Iran.
    So who are you laughing at, gentlemen? ... You are laughing at yourself! yes
  12. withoutreverse 20 November 2019 15: 58 New
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    I think sat at the helm .. Bruce Willis) well, or Chuck Noris))
  13. Berkut24 20 November 2019 17: 21 New
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    But the next time the Iranians made the right conclusions and with impunity shot down several US drones in the tens of millions of dollars. And the wreckage was transferred to Russia, taking almost an entire copy. And they also laughed nicely. Including over the F-22, which this time "didn’t die."
  14. Igor Borisov_2 20 November 2019 17: 53 New
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    Maybe ... One European pilot said in an interview after a joint exercise that when the Raptor is already visible with his eyes, like a dot in the sky, the radar screen is still blank.


    Come on. Sitting in the cabin of the ship, he absolutely calmly determined who flew past - F-16, Tornado, Grippen or Mirage ......
  15. Nycomed 20 November 2019 17: 54 New
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    Iran, before AyatOll, had quite decent Air Force, which in the region, quantitatively, but not qualitatively, were inferior, except perhaps the Israeli Air Force. And now, at the ass level ... AyatOllah ... What to take from them ... recourse
  16. Pacifist with AK 20 November 2019 19: 23 New
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    Maybe ... One European pilot said in an interview after a joint exercise that when the Raptor is already visible with his eyes, like a dot in the sky, the radar screen is still blank.

    Bebe Mayses?
  17. zulusuluz 20 November 2019 22: 55 New
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    A fifth-generation American-made aircraft came in from behind from below a plane of its own production, but of the younger generation, outside the radar ... And at the same time boast of its uniqueness?
    And why they don’t remember how the F22 likewise got on the fly of the SU-35?
  18. eklmn 21 November 2019 01: 50 New
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    I am writing my comment after 45 and the previous one.
    Once again, I am convinced that the Russian media are right to write about the deterioration of education in Russia. No one bothered to find the original article and make sure that this info with a 6-year-old beard was published on September 19, 2013.
    https://theaviationist.com/2013/09/19/f-22-f-4-intercept/
    And they did not try to find it because they did not fulfill Lenin's covenants.
    Lenin said: "Learn English, the source of knowledge." And after a pause he added “and money, too.”
    Gentlemen, without searching for the original and reading it, you will be hung in large numbers on your ears in a large number, as in a phrase (from the article)
    “... Details of the“ incident ”appeared in the American press, which featured American and Iranian military aircraft in 2013. ”
    Details appeared in 2013, and the episode occurred in the same 2013.
    Or
    “... Previously, the information was classified, and this year it was gradually made public. However, it is not entirely clear what the secrecy was related to. ”
    There was no secret, as you yourself have seen, published shortly after the incident.
    By the way, The Aviationist website is very interesting for its aviation news, I recommend it.
    Here are his old articles:
    2016
    “The F-15E Strike Eagles was unable to shoot down the F-35 in 8 air battles during a simulated deployment”
    https://theaviationist.com/2016/06/27/f-15e-strike-eagles-unable-to-shoot-down-the-f-35s-in-8-dogfights-during-simulated-deployment/
    or
    2013 “Under no circumstances will the F-35 be able to match the Typhoon fighter in aerial combat,” says test pilot Eurofighter.
    https://theaviationist.com/2013/02/11/typhoon-aerial-combat/
  19. Alexey Tyushin 21 November 2019 22: 44 New
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    Such a story, and even better, and I can come up with ... The question is different, why did they raise it now, if that is true at all ...
  20. va3610 21 November 2019 23: 11 New
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    Remember: an invisible plane swept past with a roar and a roar ...
  21. maiman61 22 November 2019 12: 35 New
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    The United States is working hard to prevent Russia from selling Iran the latest fighters and other weapons. When Iran has this weapon, then the Americans will need to conduct training to quickly replace diapers!
  22. Klingon 23 November 2019 13: 58 New
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    Quote: Janek
    Well, the Serbs didn’t really notice him .. if they knew they hadn’t shot down .. but they would just neigh.)

    no, they just didn’t know that he was invisible, that’s what they shot down, excuse me, lol
  23. Jarserge 20 December 2019 08: 55 New
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    American detection tools do not see a more modern American aircraft. So no one will see him. All American intrigue.