Testing of Akıncı UAV with Ukrainian engines started in Turkey

The Akıncı drone drone, created jointly by Ukraine and Turkey, passed the first ground tests, during which it made small runs on the runway. This was reported by Ukrainian media.

According to published data, the Akıncı UAV developed by Turkey with the installed Ukrainian AI-450 engines launched ground tests at the airport under the control of the technical personnel of the command center.

According to the Ukrainian military portal, Ukrainian power plants on the UAV were installed at the end of August this year after signing the agreement on the establishment of a Ukrainian-Turkish joint venture, which included Ukrspetsexport and Baykar Defense. Previously, they planned to install PD-222 turbodiesel engines developed by Tusas Engine Industries (TEI) on UAVs, but then the project was adjusted for Ukrainian power plants.

In September of the 2019 year, Ukraine sent to Turkey a second batch of engines in the amount of two units for these UAVs.

As previously stated in Ukraine, the new UAV is being developed taking into account the experience of armed conflicts of the 21 century and is intended mainly for the Ukrainian and Turkish armed forces.

Akıncı belongs to a new class of "heavy" drones. The wingspan of the UAV is 20 meters, they are equipped with two Ukrainian-made AI-450 engines. The flight altitude is declared at 12 thousand meters, the time spent in flight is a day. The drone is capable of lifting up to 900 kg of weapons in the air on external hangers and up to 450 kg in the internal fuselage compartments. Among the weapons - guided missiles, a variety of conventional and precision bombs.

Demonstration of the first prototype UAV Akinci took place in the 2018 year.

Comments

[Saboteur Holuy]

We have not seen this yet, we need to buy

[Shurik70]

I find a swarm of light cheap drones more effective than one heavy expensive

[marshes]

Quote: Shurik70

I find a swarm of light cheap drones more effective than one heavy expensive

Reviewed the other day, a rather eerie prospect is drawn.
And they all loaded into a minibus.

[Flooding]

Quote: Shurik70

I find a swarm of light cheap drones more effective than one heavy expensive

Yeah. Especially if their target is a few hundred kilometers and you need to deliver a parcel in a couple of hundred kg.

[g1washntwn]

Quote: Flood

if their goal is a few hundred kilometers and you need to deliver a parcel in a couple of hundred kg

For such purposes, there is a Kyrgyz Republic, even with a landmine, even concrete-slaughtering, even with radish and other vegetables.

[Flooding]

Quote: g1washntwn

For such purposes, there is a Kyrgyz Republic, even with a landmine, even concrete-slaughtering, even with radish and other vegetables.

That's a pity that the developers are not up to date. Indeed, everything is very simple.
And we won’t stand for the price.

[g1washntwn]

If your task is to destroy a target for which you need 200+ concrete-breaking kilograms, then you already a priori "hit the bucks". Without air defense and electronic warfare, such targets in nature are very, very rare. And where they do not exist, already manned aviation works, even a toothless transport aircraft that shies away with some MOAB can handle it. Just watch how Americans use their drummers. Covert surveillance, intelligence - yes. Hunting for single "easy" targets - yes. Excavators and wedding convoys - yes. Conceptually - breakthrough and suppression of air defense / missile defense, but there are too many "ifs" here. With technologies that are just developing, in general, everything is not easy and mostly expensive. And the KR is a long-run product and its one-time use is not as expensive as the entire infrastructure for the same American "predators".

[Flooding]

The range of UAV application is much wider.
You can read what the MO thinks about it.
https://stat.mil.ru/files/morf/Sbornik-konferencii-2017.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjKlrLRyvrlAhUF_aQKHZ5bAyQ4ChAWMAJ6BAgHEAE&usg=AOvVaw2nTpGLu3kI1Zwe_MjmFc0k
I, as a layman, can post my thoughts:
- The use of UAVs is still cheaper with comparable damage. Of course, subject to the successful return of the apparatus
- the variability of the load for its intended purpose is simply not comparable
- Of course, this is a huge reserve for the future. Already being tested options for the interaction of UAVs with manned aircraft

[g1washntwn]

You are hooked on the cost of the application. "The UAV is still cheaper" (in comparison with the KR). How are you ready to substantiate these reflections? The infrastructure of the UAVs is the same as that of the same aircraft + satellite constellation, repeaters for control, AWACS are required and in some cases, as the Americans and Iran have shown, full-fledged air cover for such UAVs. Why is all this cheaper than a one-time launch of a CD?
About the variability of the load it is not clear what are the differences from multifunctional and attack aircraft (except for the lack of a pilot)?

[Flooding]

- The infrastructure is used.
- air cover? What are you! It is precisely the UAV that is valuable in that it can be sacrificed as a last resort.
- AWACS? It is doubtful, but I can be mistaken. Correct me if there is a reason.
- I dare to suggest that the "one-time launch of the CD" can turn into a non-one-time one if the target is protected by air defense means. Otherwise, why did you remember about air cover? A "one-time launch of a KR" requires its carrier in the region, which in itself is not guaranteed.
- By variability, of course, I meant that UAVs can carry not only ammunition from a wide variety of damaging effects, but also reconnaissance equipment, electronic warfare, etc., and containers for the delivery of certain supplies and equipment.

And again - this is a necessary foundation for the future, not only from a technical point of view, but also from the point of view of application.

[g1washntwn]

infrastructure is used available [/ quote]
- To sell something unnecessary, you must first buy something unnecessary ... but we have no money. GDP and even air force technical personnel are permissible. Do you think the number and mandatory space?

[quote = Flood] - air cover? What are you! That is why UAVs are valuable because they can be sacrificed as a last resort. [/ Quote]
Americans thought so too. Then the Iranians hijacked their strategic reconnaissance drone from them and the next heroic story from the United States was (very recently on VO too) about how the F-22 was forced to drive Iranian planes away from UAVs.

[quote = Flood] - AWACS? It is doubtful, but I can be mistaken. Correct me if there are reasons. [/ Quote]
Flying over Europe globac hocks without AWACS. The source of the flyradar to help you. Flights near other hot spots under the supervision of carrier-based AWAC support. So far, the UAV needs to be taken by the handle everywhere and everywhere, as the AI ​​grows up, it is possible they will let go further and independently.

[quote = Navodlom] - I dare to suggest that the "one-time launch of the CD" can turn into a non-one-time one if the target is protected by air defense. Otherwise, why did you remember about air cover? A "one-time launch of a KR" requires its carrier in the region, which in itself is not guaranteed. [/ quote]
Exactly the same thing applies to the UAV which, whatever one may say, is a plane neutered to the pilot. KR - ammunition and not a carrier, to go to the expense of his life credo. The plus is an ultra-low flight profile, high operational availability, a variety of carriers and a sudden kirdyk for the target.

[quote = Navodlom] - by variability, it goes without saying that I meant that UAVs can carry not only ammunition from a wide variety of damaging effects, but also reconnaissance equipment, electronic warfare, etc., and containers for delivering certain supplies and means. [/ quote]
MFIs can and do apply the same and even wider. UAVs have no advantages in terms of means, equipment and weapons. Moreover, in order to pull away all the same, he needs to be in the dimensions of at least a light fighter. Why create new UAVs if it is easier to transfer a digit to existing aircraft?
The tasks of the UAV so far are reduced to using them as remote reconnaissance and light weapon platforms controlled remotely. Increasing the load immediately leads to an increase in the cost of the entire platform and, accordingly, the risks and cost of use.
About the groundwork in the future, I do not argue with you. But today, heavy shock UAVs are just swollen, expensive drones from Aliexpress. But there will be a day - there will be food.

[Flooding]

Quote: g1washntwn

Do you think the number and mandatory space?

Compulsory space is mandatory for Russia in any case.
Don't you think that a distant UAV needs to be "guided" through a dedicated satellite?
The figure is also an indispensable attribute of the modern army, and especially the army of the future.
These costs can not be avoided even abandon the army to use unmanned.
Or launch of the Kyrgyz Republic in this sense have no costs ???

[Flooding]

Quote: g1washntwn

MFIs can and do apply the same and even wider. UAVs have no advantages in terms of means, equipment and weapons.

Didn’t the comparison go with the Kyrgyz Republic?

[g1washntwn]

The comparison was about the delivery method "100-200 kg of explosives over hundreds of kilometers."
Once again: KR - ammunition; An UAV is an ammunition carrier. Which is cheaper: a shell or a tank? KR launched by the IFI outside the air defense or UAV zones, costing almost a modern fighter that still needs to overcome this air defense?

[Flooding]

Again on the same rake.
After all, you wrote that it was the IFI that has a large selection of funds.
And then limit it to a cruise missile.

[Flooding]

Quote: g1washntwn

Americans thought so too. Then the Iranians stole their strategic reconnaissance drone

This does not mean that the Americans will begin to cover their UAVs with fighters. Nonsense.
This means only the adoption of additional technical and programmatic measures of control and protection against forced landing.

[onstar9]

Quote: g1washntwn

About the groundwork in the future, I do not argue with you. But today, heavy shock UAVs are just swollen, expensive drones from Aliexpress. But there will be a day - there will be food.

Well, if the advantages of drones did not seem obvious, then everyone would be engaged in cruise missiles, not drones. But no, they are engaged in drones. And I think, though not an expert, that a rocket is a one-time means. If you launched it correctly or incorrectly, you will not return it back, and you will not be able to repeat or redirect to another matter. And this drone can be "rotated" as you want, very convenient ... Besides, it flies for a day ... You can launch it and then manipulate it as you want .. Definitely better than ten cruise missiles, you will solve the problem ... ... Not like cruise missiles.

[Altai72]

The "swarm" has a separate task, the heavyweight has a completely different one. This pepelats is not intended for infantry and jeeps.

[Lone gunman]

I agree ... each has its own purpose, drones are sea-submarine and land-underground-two-three-medium.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

And he looks kind of futuristically aggressive.

[Stas157]

drone Akıncı with installed Ukrainian AI-450 engines

Do we have an analogue of VK-800 already available? I wonder which one is better and why the Turks did not order from us?

[Kurare]

Two, quite voracious AI-450 engines for UAVs ... In addition, the cost of such an UAV will be not bad.

[dirk182]

so voracious that in the air the UAV can be a day

[Muvka]

Quote: dirk182

so voracious that in the air the UAV can be a day

Have you personally tested? Or how do you know, given the fact that he has not yet taken to the air.

[Zaurbek]

And we are suffering with RED on a large UAV and do not know how to make such a theater.

[Stas157]

Quote: Zaurbek

And we are suffering with RED on a large UAV and do not know how to make such a theater.

In general, it is unclear why the German RED (diesel on which the Germans do not fly), if the VK-800 were going to produce. Why two engines in one niche. Uneconomical.

[The leader of the Redskins]

An interesting aircraft. Unmanned reconnaissance bomber? The first step in the future of unmanned wars?

[Honest Citizen]

Something like that probably

[Oquzyurd]

I have translated the characteristics and goals of this device below.

[bessmertniy]

I wonder how well they will go astray !?

[Altai72]

The attack aircraft and the destroyer are more likely to be shot down.

[New Year day]

Turks are cunning: they are friends with everyone and everyone has everything. what do they need

[marshes]

Quote: Silvestr

Turks are cunning: they are friends with everyone and everyone has everything. what do they need

That's why they are Turks.

[dgonni]

Any drone with propellers, even in Kevlar, has a larger IPR than with turbojet engines. Therefore, such an aggregate, in principle, has no prospects in terms of invisibility and use against more or less normal air defense!

[Zaurbek]

And yet, this is the largest UAV class. Ripper dimension .... and not everyone has it.

[g1washntwn]

And yet, this is the largest UAV class. Dimension Ripper

And in India there are elephants, they do not fly, but their dimension is even greater. When you fly in an autobus on an airbus, technically at that moment you are flying in an UAV. Size matters for the tasks performed, but for air defense, size is not important, EPR, IR visibility, etc. are important.

[Zaurbek]

So these "UAVs" are done by the same monopolists

[g1washntwn]

The Turks are doing for those aviation ammunition that they have. An analogue of American SDB can always be in time. Today, UAVs as a form of armament are more experimental and not utilitarian.

[Zaurbek]

How are these workhorses ... under certain military operations that the Russian Federation has been leading for 30 and 20 years in the DRA

[onstar9]

Quote: g1washntwn

And in India there are elephants, they do not fly, but their dimension is even greater. laughing When you are flying in an Airbus on autopilot, technically, at this moment you are flying in an UAV. Size matters for the tasks being performed, but for air defense, size is not important, EPR, IR visibility, etc., are important.

Well, they will solve tasks where there is no air defense or it is not so strong. There are plenty of such objects. You cannot protect everything by air defense forces, the navel will be untied.

[rocket757]

When we have OWN, then we will discuss ... in the meantime, just see and provide some countermeasures.

[usr01]

The Turks are at risk ... There are already legends about the "reliability" of the supplier.

[Ivan Gorinich]

Campaign and Ukraine turned out to be potential opponents

[Souchastnik]

Ukraine is in potential opponents

Unfortunately, this is a fait accompli. And he did not happen yesterday ...

[onstar9]

Quote: Ivan Gorinich

Campaign and Ukraine turned out to be potential opponents

Well, without asking, easily, take away the Crimea, and then not to be "opponents"? Good Wishlist ...

[Lesorub]

Testing of Akıncı UAV with Ukrainian engines started in Turkey

It seems that in Ukraine they will appear the same, if there is enough money to give a precisely interesting "unit"! )

[Antares]

Quote: Lesorub

It seems that in Ukraine they will appear the same, if there is enough money to give a precisely interesting "unit"! )

this was the calculation. Indeed, under it, even at first they just bought an UAV with everything you need, and therefore have already organized a joint development (for your engines) with the same company.
It will cost less for Ukrainians and Turks.

[Zaurbek]

I don’t know the characteristics, but the designers of the Turks are better than ours ...

[Alexander Galaktionov]

The main thing is not design. and the glider itself is its capabilities, EPR, weapons and flight duration

[Zaurbek]

I think Altair doesn’t have these characteristics better ... but the design is rubbish!

[Alexander Galaktionov]

About Altair, I’ll be silent here at least if Orion was completed and armed, and Iran’s shame is even a shock, and we don’t have

[Oquzyurd]

The Akinci drone will have another interesting function. It will carry a swarm of Alpagu attack drones on its "belly" and launch them against the enemy at the right time. As in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmFuilszjq4

[Alexander Galaktionov]

The Turks have drone drone even Iran in Russia where the drone drone?

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Where does Turkey (and her pimp - the United States) have hypersonic missiles?

It's just that radio-controlled more and more for the colonies (and now the US and the West still have colonies) to pinch the Papuans, or to attack with a crowd of radio-controlled locusts.
We are more and more preparing for a major, and there, and from explosions, interference, and command posts can track and demolish, and electronic warfare.

Now, if I had turned on the program and it was itself, oh, so it would be cruise missiles and ICBMs.

[Oquzyurd]

Research to strengthen the armed and unarmed UAV fleet of Turkey continues. The most prominent of them is the Akıncı Strike unmanned aerial vehicle project, which is a high altitude long stay class (HALE). As part of the Akıncı UAV project, a 5-ton UAV is being introduced, capable of supporting 900 kg of payload and 450 kg of internal payload. Akıncı, which will be produced at domestic facilities, will be able to carry more efficient missiles and smart bombs.

Akıncı offensive unmanned aerial vehicle, which will contain many new technologies, is expected to meet the sky in the first quarter of 2019.

Assault Raid, which can reach heights of up to 40 feet, can remain in the air for 000 hours and has a payload of up to 24 kg. Thanks to these functions, it can perform some of the tasks that our military aircraft perform. The electronic support unit that he carries will be able to handle more complex loads, such as satellite communications systems, airborne weather radars, an obstacle detection radar, and a synthetic aperture radar can handle much more complex loads. Akıncı is a system that can carry these systems together, has the power of air attack and can be quickly hit by a target. This will reduce the burden of our military aircraft and will be able to carry out their missions and shelling from the air. Akıncı unmanned aerial vehicle, which can be equipped with air-to-air missiles developed in our country, can be used in air-to-air operations. Akıncı will become the most advanced technological system in the world in its class in 1350 years.

You can serve different local ammunition

Developed by Baykar Akıncı, electronic systems in the defense industry, radars, smart ammunition, turbine engines, such as a number of areas of domestic companies working in this field, will contain the most advanced products and capabilities.

The take-off weight of the platform will be 4,5 tons, and the wingspan is 20 meters. Akıncı will operate with a twin turbine engine and can carry 900 kg of external and 450 kg of internal payload. The platform can be controlled using national satellites.

[Oquzyurd]

Akıncı will be equipped with the National Vision and Satellite Communication System, National Electronic Support Module, AESA National Radar Weather Radar, Synthetic Aperture Radar and Weather Radar.

Akıncı will be able to serve various configurations of ammunition, especially domestic ammunition.

Ammunition, such as a vehicle, MAM-L, MAM-S, Javelin, L-UMTAS, Bozok, MK-81, MK-82, MK-83, Poultry guidance kit (KGK) -MK-82, Gokdogan, Bozdogan, COM-A can be equipped with missiles and bombs.

Akıncı will be able to carry 2 KGK-MK-82, 2 Teber-82 and 2 MAM-L at the same time as part of the proposed ammunition configurations.

Akıncı can be equipped with 2 UPS-MK-82 units, 2 Teber-81, 8 MAM-C units in accordance with the requirements of the task and 2 Teber-81 units, one of the first national air missiles developed by TÜBİTAK SAGE simultaneously in a different configuration.

Baikar also focuses on a number of ammunition configurations.
Technical characteristics of the unmanned aerial vehicle AKINCI:

Stay in the air: 24 hours
Altitude: 40000 feet
Payload: 1,350 kg (900 kg outside - 450 kg inside)
Take-off weight: 4,5 tons
Wingspan: 20 m
Engine: 2 × 900 hp Turboprop
Data Network: LOS \ SATCOM
Radar: National AESA (Weather / SAR)
Electronic warfare: electronic support unit
Weapons: MAM-L, MAM-C, Javelin, L-UMTAS, UMTAS, Bozok, MK-81, MK-82, MK-83, Precision guidance kit (HGK), Bird guidance kit (UPS) -MK- 82, Teber-82, Gokdogan Rocket, Bozdogan Rocket, COM-A,
Features of AKINCI SİHA:

Electronic warfare
SAR Discovery
Signal intelligence
EO\IR Discovery
Wide observation

[Oquzyurd]

Translated from Turkish sources.

[Lone gunman]

a good drone, if it were also with artificial intelligence (AI), it would be as if a country where there is a lot of oil would immigrate)))

[Oquzyurd]

I don’t know what you mean by artificial intelligence, but Turkish drones have the function of automatic take-off, flight on a given map, a reverse landing, even parking in its original place.)

[Lone gunman]

I mean AI - a film like "Stealth" of some kind of dense year, but in general it was humor ...

[mvmptzna]

Looks good. Place a radar (or enable target designation), hang missiles, and a platform is ready to reflect the first wave.

[romb]

The progress of the Turkish military-industrial complex is evident!

[Flooding]

Quote: g1washntwn

Americans thought so too. Then the Iranians stole their strategic reconnaissance drone

This does not mean that the Americans will begin to cover their UAVs with fighters. Nonsense.
This means only the adoption of additional technical and programmatic measures of control and protection against forced landing.

[g1washntwn]

It was smooth on paper ... remember next? So it is with stealth, also with the concept of the UAV. Everything has to be completed by hand and on the knee already in the trench. As they stuck into a really inhospitable airspace, it took exactly the same amount for the UAV as it did for conventional tactical and reconnaissance aircraft. "Pilots" only rub their backside away from flying missiles. By and large, in the event of a global confrontation, these are the same one-way strategic cruise missiles. They are dangerous only because they have long been outside the strategic offensive arms and we just rushed to create them.

[Flooding]

Of course, in the event of an intense conflict with a large saturation of air defense systems, the return of UAVs becomes a non-trivial task.
But this does not detract from its advantages. There is no indestructible equipment in war.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Turn on jammers (in the same way as with radars, you cannot turn on the full operating range - the enemy will set fire to how it works, so now our electronic warfare has been completely practiced at least once) or test EMP bombs - 99% of radio-controlled models will fall off.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

the second batch of engines in the amount of two units

Two engines - STEAM?

Solid supplies.