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By the wave of our memory

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This is what the OFOPO GAPO building looks like. Which of my fellow countrymen I will not ask about him, especially if this is a young man, in response I get a surprised look: “Do we really have this?”


“Winston felt desperate. The old man's memory was just a dump of small details. You can ask him all day and you won’t get any worthwhile information. So that история parties may be true in a sense; and maybe quite true. ”
J. Orwell. 1984 "


History and documents. On “Military Review”, in discussions between readers, an appeal to the past constantly appears as a kind of standard with which they compare the present. And it’s clear why this is so: the present is simply nothing more to compare. The memory of the past is preserved in our heads, but selectively. We remember individual events very vividly, as if they had happened yesterday (although they took place twenty years ago), but we don’t remember what we ate for dinner last week. Folk wisdom indicates to us a defect in our memory: the memory of the young is not equal to the memory of the old, that is, in youth, apples were sweeter, and the trees were taller. The bad is forgotten faster than the good - this is the main algorithm of our being. Books and newspapers help us remember everything. As well as documents stored in archives.

“This sign, this house ...”


And now the question. Do the average citizens of any country have access to the information contained in them? Theoretically - yes, they do. Practically not, "they don’t need it." But they have a need for information. Therefore, they watch TV, read books and newspapers. Do they contain reliable information? The answer should be: when how. Some newspaper articles and books, as well as TV shows, are absolutely true. In other cases, they express the subjective opinion of their authors. Often based only on their own understanding ... "the moment of truth." That is, for example, there was a “moment of truth” when Great Britain supplied the USSR with Hurricane fighters, which the Red Army needed as air, and Pravda wrote about them as good, maneuverable and well-armed vehicles. Then the “trend” changed, and they immediately became bad, as the same aircraft designer Yakovlev wrote in a series of his memoirs. There were photographs of aircraft, participants in the war, but there was no photograph or text from the newspaper Pravda. Why? Because there was freedom of speech and freedom not to use it. The same can be said of the “Report of the Soviet Government on Lend-Lease Supplies,” published on June 11, 1944. It was in the printed mouthpiece of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, but there was no mention of this source of information in memoirs. Why? But this information did not coincide with the general “flight of thought” that had in the era of the USSR. Well, it’s clear that at that time only the people who taught the history of the CPSU at the university, having the form of access to secret documents No. 2, could go to the OK CPSU archive.


That's all, like 34 years ago ...

Well, then back to our memory again. Can it be considered a reliable source of information? Yes you can! But only if it is confirmed by statistical reports, archival documents and to a lesser extent the content of newspaper articles and books. Moreover, since we are talking about books, it’s only those of them, which again contain links to archives and statistical materials.


Here is a view of a cabinet with cards for documents of those years.

Of course, it can be argued that they are falsified, and some readers of VO say so. However, in fact, such falsification is practically impossible. For one simple reason: the volume of cross-documents and sources of information is huge, and most importantly, the forger does not know the trend, that is, the direction in which the information should be changed. Because one thing is important today, and another thing tomorrow. It’s easier to either not let people into the archives at all - and not without reason that significant amounts of information on the past war are closed until 2045 — or to ignore the fact that someone there will find something, both positive and negative. Do you know why? Because there is simply no past. Here it is, and that’s all: nothing that lies outside the memory of a really living individual, in fact, simply does not exist.


We read ...


We read ...


We read ...


Please note that the document dates back to 1937. That is, people continue to express dissatisfaction no matter what!

Why such a big introduction? But to what. The last time I happened to work in the archive of the regional committee of the CPSU of the Penza region in the last century, from 1985 to 1988. At the same time, these were the archives of the OK CPSU of the Kuibyshev and Ulyanovsk regions, and the central archive of the Komsomol Central Committee, then, in 1989 and 1990, the archive of the Moscow Oblast in Podolsk, and in our time after 1991, the Penza Region State Archive became my place of work, primarily newspapers stored there and all kinds of statistics. And now - precisely in connection with the comments on the VO website, I wanted to update my memories of the Penza Regional Party Archive. Now it is called a little differently: OFOPO GAPO - “Department of funds of political organizations of the state archive of the Penza region. He is still in the same four-story building on Volodarsky Street, it does not have an elevator, but at the entrance they put a frame and an electronic rotating turnstile, which the guard opens. There are few employees inside, but they are. The reading room has not changed much. It has all the same cabinets with the same cards. But the director and archivists already have computers and copiers.


But this is just a ready-made plot for the same Zoshchenko.


And what language ?! Juicy, capacious ... "clerical." And the conclusion suggests itself: at all times people really wanted to multiply! Even the builders of a new society.


At “my time”, a girl sat in the reading room and issued documents. Now the ordered cases bring you, and you keep them in an iron (not lockable) cabinet. In Soviet times, this girl was a very significant person. We, young graduate students, of course, were tired of looking for documents on the topic of our dissertations and ... brought her a donation - a box of chocolates. For our kind attitude towards her under the conditions of food shortages, she brought us the “interesting” - first of all, the personal affairs of the communists, which were examined at the OK bureau. They were read as exciting detective stories: he stole, this one drank and rowdied, he was engaged in sodomy. It is clear that writing out information from cases that are not related to the topic of your scientific work was strictly prohibited. Everything that you “earned” in sweat should be written down in a notebook, which was then handed over for examination and all numbered pages in which there was something “wrong” were ruthlessly deleted according to the principle: it’s better to re ... than not ...


But in this lecture this is about marriage ... Marriage at a military factory that simultaneously produced consumer goods. And this is also 1937. In the country there is a massive struggle with spies and pests. But judging by these documents, people at this plant are simply not afraid of anything ...

Now, whatever you want, you can write it out, or you can even take a camera and photograph the pages you need. Or make them photocopies. Ten rubles per sheet, which, in general, is not very expensive.

Interestingly, even today, researchers are working in the reading room of our OFOPO GAPO. One collects information about his grandfather, wants to write a family chronicle. Why is he doing this? But it’s interesting, and what can I say? Another, and not a university teacher, not a candidate of science, not an assistant professor, collects materials on ... the civil war, or rather, how it took place on Penza land and how our fellow countrymen participated in it in order to write a book about it and ... publish it at your own expense. And strives for maximum objectivity! When I heard about this, I almost fell off my chair in surprise, but his approach to disseminating information at all, as it turned out, was not at all surprising. Well, time is changing, people are changing.


The volume of marriage is simply colossal ... How was this even possible?

The materials in the archive are just the sea. So even a simple review of archive cards allows us to draw a number of important conclusions regarding our past. There was no such sphere of public life in the USSR from 1918 to 1991, in which the party did not steer absolutely everything. Starting with questions of artificial insemination of pigs and increasing egg production of laying hens and to controlling the repertoire of theatrical productions and plans for TV and radio broadcasts of the local television center. That is, the party was not only that it set the general “trend” with the editorials of the newspaper “Pravda” (and “Penza Pravda”), it also wanted to “keep abreast” and kept it up!

But what about the tips, you ask? They, then why? Could the practice of collective farms, state farms and laying hens be entrusted to them? But no, it turns out impossible. That is, there is a duplication of functions, parallel control of the quality of work and its effectiveness.


Marriage of military products reaches 70%. Where does the factory management look? After all, this is the defense of the country! But our people do not care. And here it is not about two or three pests. This is a mass phenomenon. So much for the effectiveness of local party leadership. Well and good - here and now it has been revealed. But the whole question is, what willful decision does not immediately reduce the percentage of marriage ...

And now to the question of the effectiveness of such a party leadership. At one time, I wrote and defended my Ph.D. thesis on the topic of party leadership in the scientific and technical work of university students in the Middle Volga during the 9th Five-Year Plan. And ... the collected materials allowed us to draw a conclusive conclusion that this very guide, firstly, was, and secondly, that this very creativity tended to grow, from which, in principle, it could be concluded that it was this leadership itself was its cause. But at the same time it turned out that the effectiveness of this leadership, like the NIRS as a whole, was not at all great. Otherwise, why make decisions demanding “enhance, deepen and intensify”?


But here the marriage reaches 65% ... And if such are the indicators for the Penza plant alone, then how many such defects were made throughout the country? And then what was the effectiveness of our “socialist production”? After all, there were hundreds of such plants ...

That is, other factors acted in society, which, in addition to this party leadership itself, determined the development and growth of scientific research work. However, how could one look for them without going beyond the scope of the proposed topic? No way!

Today we have a unique opportunity, without being limited by anything, to calculate, for example, by years, what percentage of the Penza communists and regions were expelled from the party (and convicted!) For sodomy and what their percentage (explicit) in the party was, we can examine the number of accepted in the party of participants and order-bearers of the Second World War, and then expelled from its ranks for ... theft, drunkenness and other anti-social and anti-party acts; we can calculate the number of anti-Soviet statements made by collective farmers and workers, according to the NKVD and the KGB, which regularly lay on the table to the secretaries of the OK VKP (b). But ... this will require tremendous work, which, in principle, no one needs today. It is not needed because it is not able to change anything, but simply adding negativity to our knowledge of the past is basically simply pointless. We already know that everything ended in the events of 1991.

But, nevertheless, all this is interesting. It is interesting to get a few slices from the picture of the socio-political and economic life of our country, about which the individual memory (sorry for the pun!) Did not save the memory! Let these be fragments of what our fathers and mothers, grandfathers and grandmothers had to face in their daily lives of that already distant past from us, about which many readers of VO (if not most of them!) Even simply have no idea.

That is ... it will be a new series of articles written on the basis of the materials of the party archive of the Penza region. It is possible that some of our readers, let’s say, first of all, those who are now retired and who want to do socially significant things, this, in turn, will encourage visiting such archives in their cities - regional centers, and they too can find in them a lot of interesting things.

To be continued ...
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 19 December 2019 15: 08 New
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    Archives must be saved! This is the place where OUR HISTORY is stored!
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 19 December 2019 15: 32 New
      +9
      Archives must be saved!
      They don’t just need to be saved, but transferred from paper to electronic media and made available to every citizen of our country that they are interested in ... then it will be a solid support in the fight against the pseudo-historians of the Western fashion.
      It is no secret that there have been times in the history of Russia when intentionally the most important archives of the history of our country were destroyed.
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 19 December 2019 16: 21 New
        0
        The trouble is that electronic media is not completely reliable ... someone will ever want / be able to fix them ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 19 December 2019 19: 53 New
          +5
          Quote: Alien From
          The trouble is that electronic media is not completely reliable.

          The scripts are preserved and stored as needed.
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 20 December 2019 00: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: Alien From
          electronic media is not entirely reliable ....

          paper burns fine
          1. Alien From
            Alien From 20 December 2019 00: 41 New
            +1
            It burns, but it cannot be edited.
      2. WIKI
        WIKI 19 December 2019 17: 29 New
        +9
        Quote: The same Lech
        Archives must be saved!

        Save yes, but do not manipulate them. I am also for accurate data, but only without the manipulations that the author is engaged in. For example, why Volodin Andrey Nikolaevich went to the general post guard. Flour gave little. And the author cites the data precisely in 1936, when the gross grain harvest was the smallest in the thirties, 55,8 million tons. With the average payment for a workday in the country in the 38th, 2,1 kg.r., in the region it was 0,7 kg.r. The number of households per collective farm is 260,1 thousand, for example, in the Saratov region 190. With a crop area ratio of 1 to 3, Bolivar simply could not bear it. A rather unsuccessful example of the author of the article. And the statement of Nikonor Semenov that the one-man was better, because with "they didn’t take anything" what is worth. With such a mood, we would never have won the war.
        1. WIKI
          WIKI 19 December 2019 18: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: WIKI
          The number of households per collective farm is 260,1 thousand, for example, in the Saratov region 190

          I apologize. Typo. The number of collective farm households is 260,1 thousand.
        2. kalibr
          19 December 2019 19: 01 New
          -4
          Quote: WIKI
          A rather unsuccessful example of the author of the article.

          Find good examples.
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 20 December 2019 00: 11 New
            0
            I have written this comment so far, spent two hours. Everything is on the Internet, but it takes a long time to search for documents.
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 23 December 2019 11: 32 New
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            Quote: kalibr
            Find good examples.

            Examples are VERY successful, typical and indicative.

            For 466 working days get 65 kg of flour, this 130 grams of flour per working day.
            . Slaves in Egypt received more.

            for 8 people a year 20 grams per day per person. NO words ....
            And this ...loan, not s / fee ....

            Do not listen to anyone and continue your publications. hi
            1. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 25 December 2019 15: 22 New
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              466 working days

              And you said to me last time that you know something about collective farms?
              Even then I told you that you do not understand that a workday is not a measure of time, but the volume of some work, which is measured in physical terms.
              Where is it written that he received 65 kg for a year ?!
              On collective farms, settlement for workdays at the end of the year took place. And before that, workers took loans, which were then repudiated from the annual total.
              1. Foul skeptic
                Foul skeptic 25 December 2019 15: 32 New
                0
                Moreover, his departure as a caretaker is very indicative. Explain what?
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 26 December 2019 07: 45 New
                -3
                Quote: A vile skeptic
                Where is it written that he received 65 kg for a year ?!

                WHERE is it written that NO ?!
                And what, yes, so he said himself: "That is, or WATCH!"
                Got it?
                1. Foul skeptic
                  Foul skeptic 26 December 2019 08: 47 New
                  +1
                  WHERE it is written that NO

                  In the text.
                  And what, yes, so he said himself: "That is, or WATCH!"

                  And this of course means that he received nothing more than 67 kg. fool
                  1) The collective farm distributes all the products of the collective farm's economic activity. Therefore, ONLY he could not get grain. And nowhere is it said that he received only grain.
                  2) Penza has never been a "bread" region; cereals grow poorly there. Even now, despite the entire level of genetic engineering and chemistry, the Penza region is in the third ten in the list of manufacturers. Therefore, they never planted a lot of grain there. But grown vegetables, legumes, buckwheat and several other crops. And they were engaged in animal husbandry, since fodder herbs are growing. That for which there are conditions.
                  3) Accordingly, if he received grain (and one-time on a loan) 67 kg, then he could get the same potatoes, for example, 2 tons. They gave you a very reduced information pulled out and you, as if on command, began to moan.
                  4) he received 67 kg, where is the information about the payment of his daughter? Payment for workdays went according to the book of the collective farmer, for the daughter he could not receive. Therefore, the total 466 workdays should not be extended to one, I understand, it turns out more pitifully.
                  5) What is the basis of the belief that in a lean year he alone received (did not grow, but received after calculations with the same pay) would have ended up with more grain than the collective farm grew in terms of man?
                  6) You stubbornly ignore the uncomfortable word "loan." Do workers now, when they receive an advance, also lament that this is all their money, or then they receive a “pay”?
                  7) All of the above, by the way, is also confirmed by your ridiculous calculations, where you received 20 grams of flour per person per day. Their nutritional value is less than 100 kilocalories. With such consumption, the population of this area would disappear in a month. And if it doesn’t disappear, then 67 kg is not an annual output per employee. And the same loan.
                  8) This man complained about the collective farm. At the same time, he could leave the collective farm. And live, he said, happily ever after. But for some reason I decided to stay on the collective farm and be a watchman. And the daughter arranged as a watchman. And here are two options:
                  1) he is a capital idler, since it is more convenient for him as a guard, although he would get even less grain (according to the same charter of agricultural artels). But apparently the matter is not in the amount of grain, and he did not starve to starvation, since he went to reduce the soldering. And then the second point follows from here.
                  2) the watchman’s path opens up opportunities for theft before him, and suspicion of anti-collective farm activity and the need to verify this comrade did not just arise.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 26 December 2019 09: 59 New
                    -4
                    Quote: A vile skeptic
                    In the text.

                    Lying
                    Quote: A vile skeptic
                    The collective farm distributes all the products of the collective farm's economic activity. Therefore, ONLY he could not get grain.

                    Do not carry nonsense: there have been cases that did NOT get anything at all: read the OGPU reports on cannibalism
                    Quote: A vile skeptic
                    Penza has never been a "bread" region; cereals grow poorly there

                    Yes, Chernozemye- "NOT" bread region fool
                    Quote: A vile skeptic
                    he could

                    could yes, could NO, which was most likely.
                    Quote: A vile skeptic
                    He received 67 kg, where is the information about the payment of his daughter?

                    read the article.
                    Quote: A vile skeptic
                    What is the basis for the belief that in a lean year he alone received (did not grow, but received, after calculations with the same pay), would he end up with more grain than the collective farm grew in terms of man?

                    belay Without collective farms, people did NOT starve to millions.
                    Quote: A vile skeptic
                    All of the above, by the way, is also confirmed by your ridiculous calculations, where you received 20 grams of flour per person per day. Their nutritional value is less than 100 kilocalories. With such consumption, the population of this area would disappear in a month. And if it doesn’t disappear, then 67 kg is not an annual output per employee. And the same loan.
                    What are you carrying?!
                    People lived from OWN farmstead and shreds of OWN manor: they worked corvée practically free of charge on the collective farm, and in the evenings-nights they worked for their own food.
                    Quote: A vile skeptic
                    the watchman’s path opens up opportunities for theft, and suspicion of anti-collective farm activity

                    Slanderer negative
                    1. Foul skeptic
                      Foul skeptic 13 February 2020 16: 02 New
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                      1)
                      Quote: A vile skeptic
                      In the text.

                      Lying

                      Well then, find me in the above passage the words "for the year" in relation to the flour received.

                      2)
                      Quote: A vile skeptic
                      The collective farm distributes all the products of the collective farm's economic activity. Therefore, ONLY he could not get grain.

                      Do not carry nonsense: there have been cases that did NOT get anything at all: read the OGPU reports on cannibalism


                      Well, show me the documents for cases of cannibalism from 36-37 years.

                      3)
                      Quote: A vile skeptic
                      Penza has never been a "bread" region; cereals grow poorly there

                      Yes, BLACK EARTH- "NOT" bread region fool

                      Everything is relative, that then, that now the Penza region was in the third ten grain producers. But for the production of vegetables, for example, in the top ten (as well as for sugar beets, sunflowers and a number of crops). I repeat that it grows, they plant it.

                      4)
                      Quote: A vile skeptic
                      he could

                      could yes, could NO, which was most likely.

                      could yes, could no - this is called a choice. He made it. And no capital letters, like he had no such choice. There was no choice only in the part of 1929, but not later, and, moreover, not in 1936-37 — it is enough to look at the dynamics in the number of collective farm / individual households.

                      5)
                      Quote: A vile skeptic
                      He received 67 kg, where is the information about the payment of his daughter?

                      read the article.


                      I read - there is not a word about paying my daughter. It is written: "he received."

                      6)
                      Quote: A vile skeptic
                      What is the basis for the belief that in a lean year he alone received (did not grow, but received, after calculations with the same pay), would he end up with more grain than the collective farm grew in terms of man?

                      belay Without collective farms, people did NOT starve to millions.


                      This is not an answer to my question. This is another speculation in the famine. Only ill-conceived. If only because in 1921-22 no collective farms smelled. And in the same 1932-33 there were 9,35 million individual farms (that is, 50 million of the population) - would you risk asserting that hunger has bypassed the individual farmers?
                      But I will answer you that in addition to two outbreaks of hunger, there were no more hunger at collective farms in the USSR. But in a world where there are no collective farms - there was hunger, moreover - it is there now and millions of people die every year from chronic malnutrition. No collective farms. To understand this, it is enough not to squeeze the world to the size of one country or several countries.

                      7)
                      Quote: A vile skeptic
                      All of the above, by the way, is also confirmed by your ridiculous calculations, where you received 20 grams of flour per person per day. Their nutritional value is less than 100 kilocalories. With such consumption, the population of this area would disappear in a month. And if it doesn’t disappear, then 67 kg is not an annual output per employee. And the same loan.
                      What are you carrying?!
                      People lived from OWN farmstead and shreds of OWN manor: they worked corvée practically free of charge on the collective farm, and in the evenings-nights they worked for their own food.


                      Of course, of course, that was exactly how it was. Especially when you look at production and distribution on collective farms and its production on individual farms. And it turns out that the output from individual farmers was 3/5 from the collective farm (taking into account the difference in sown area per 1 worker), and payments from individual farmers were higher. Therefore, they dumped everything into collective farms — it was stupidly more profitable under the existing conditions. It is enough to look at what has always been a measure of prosperity for the peasant — cattle. And cattle, pigs, sheep and goats in the personal farms of collective farmers were 2,1-2,4 times more than among individual farmers.

                      8)
                      Quote: A vile skeptic
                      the watchman’s path opens up opportunities for theft, and suspicion of anti-collective farm activity

                      Slanderer negative


                      The slanderer is the one who Ivan Franco called "blue." Do not remember who it is?
                      I explain the difference between slander and not slander.

                      Defamation is to say "Andrei Nikolaevich Volodin is a thief" in the absence of facts of the crime.
                      It’s not slander to say “the watchman’s path opens up opportunities for theft” is a simple statement of the indisputable truth that access to material values ​​facilitates their appropriation.
        3. stalki
          stalki 19 December 2019 20: 11 New
          +7
          I am also for accurate data, but only without the manipulations that the author is engaged in.
          It also seemed to me like that, I agree with you about the manipulations. Archival data was not chosen randomly, but based on subjective moods.
      3. rocket757
        rocket757 19 December 2019 19: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: The same Lech
        They don’t just have to be saved, but transferred from paper to electronic media

        For general access in electronic form, the originals for conservation storage are not so high costs and places take up not so much.
      4. 1536
        1536 20 December 2019 10: 28 New
        +1
        The same LEKHA (Alexey) Yesterday, 15: 32
        +4
        Archives must be saved!
        They don’t just need to be saved, but transferred from paper to electronic media and made available to every citizen of our country that they are interested in ... then it will be a solid support in the fight against the pseudo-historians of the Western fashion.
        It is no secret that there have been times in the history of Russia when intentionally the most important archives of the history of our country were destroyed.


        Dear, please tell us in more detail about "the moments when intentionally the most important archives of the history of our country were destroyed." This, apparently, is in itself very interesting information.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 19 December 2019 15: 53 New
      +4
      Save and declassify, except for those materials that now make up state secrets. And then you study this or that event of the Great Patriotic War and have to be content with grains. There are no cards, no operational reports, no information about losses and replenishment. More precisely - there is, but very strictly dosed.
  2. antivirus
    antivirus 19 December 2019 15: 24 New
    12
    author’s selective memory
    - one thing I can only add - and this is not about the "little spoon" -
    - THE TIME WAS AND THE KATEPHONE WAS CONSIDERED BEFORE THE COMPLEX PRODUCT, THEN THE TIME OF INSULATION OF THE CATTLE (now artificial already) has come and FURTHER A CIRCLE OR SPIRAL OF DEVELOPMENT OF PRODUCING FORCES AND THEIR RELATIONSHIPS.
    for the peasants of the Penziuk region - “what can you do? I can dig, I can not dig” there was a horizon of creative growth and they, slowly and with losses, passed it until 2019, they became citizens-citizens. and again something is not enough for happiness-- to someone moonshine, to someone of the Seychelles type. and the author?
  3. Free wind
    Free wind 19 December 2019 15: 27 New
    +3
    Can you digitize? Although a lot of work will be.
  4. prior
    prior 19 December 2019 15: 32 New
    +9
    Documents of 1936-38 ...... Well, where are the Stalinist repressions in these documents?
    Marriage yes, mess, yes, but that’s understandable - the first five-year plans, the first factories, new products, workers from peasants ...
    But where are the repressions?
    1. kalibr
      19 December 2019 15: 47 New
      +6
      Will be. You cannot shove everything into one material. Is not it?
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 19 December 2019 16: 24 New
        +3
        You cannot shove everything into one material.

        it is possible, Vyacheslav Olegovich, it is possible ... wink I somehow did it. I still remember how people spit! laughing Well ... it happens and dislike Kohanka! request
        Just yesterday, I was talking with a friend in a smoking room about his collection of Pravda newspapers in the country. Another grandfather began to put off - to kindling. But in fact .. this is a whole archive! hi
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 19 December 2019 18: 08 New
          +2
          Just yesterday I talked with a friend in a smoking room
          , lighting a cigarette with Terry, rolled up from the collectible number of "Truth." You can’t forbid to live beautifully! laughing

          Hi Nikolay! Hi, Vyacheslav! drinks
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 19 December 2019 18: 23 New
            +2
            Hello, Pana Kohanku! drinks
            rolled up from the Pravda collection number

            No, in fact, we often throw away junk. But years will pass, and this becomes history. A friend of mine still regrets that his parents threw the radio in the 90s ... People don’t think! request It’s worth, they say, it’s taking a place .... And twenty years will pass - here you have an entourage contraption! good
            And about the "Truth" - this is really a whole archive, if you know how to use it. hi
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 19 December 2019 20: 16 New
              +6
              Quote: Pan Kohanku
              No, in fact, we often throw away junk.

              About ten years ago, sorting out, I threw out the Komsomolskaya Pravda of the 91st year with the headline: "Farewell, they are already on the first floor!" This announcer muttered from the Baltic TV tower when her Alpha captured. In general, a rather large article there was about those events in hot pursuit.
              Quote: Pan Kohanku
              A friend of mine still regrets that his parents threw the radio in the 90s ... People don’t think! It’s worth, they say, it’s taking a place .... And twenty years will pass - here you have an entourage contraption!

              Also a lot of things I feel sorry for throwing.
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 19 December 2019 21: 15 New
                +5
                Also a lot of things I feel sorry for throwing.

                As Vlad Kot says - "yep" .... recourse the records are a pity! request
                In the same building, Max is working with me, a hefty smiling bear, he is a search engine, a man of arms, initiative. And since he works as a freight forwarder, and he has a lot of time between trips, he made himself a mini-workshop in the courtyard in the garage, and now he is working with his hands for pleasure. Here in the summer he calls: "Go show." wink I’m coming. Max’s ear to ear, shows that the box (or wardrobe case, how right?) Is portable, and in it is a record player! Years 70s, probably. Somewhere I found it with someone, repaired it myself, changed something, etc. Plays a record ... through a characteristic whistle - Valera ... Leontyev .. with the music of Raymond Pauls .. sings about the Black Sea and the Gulf of Riga. winked this is a drive! this is music!good and, as Max rightly said - "What else is needed for happiness?" drinks
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 19 December 2019 21: 43 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Pan Kohanku
                  portable, and in it - a record player! Years 70s, probably. Somewhere I found it with someone, repaired it myself, changed something, etc. Plays a record ... through characteristic whistling

                  This player is so-so. There, everything must be installed with a level, and hang up the needle pressure to a gram. Although yes, nostalgia is a powerful thing. I have Arcturus 006 standing with a sawn-off head of the needle, I don’t know where to get the spare parts, and Grandfathers Ocean 1981 did not break even once, although it was used to its fullest. I only stuck the LED backlight, instead of a burned out bulb, but cleaned it up a bit. Normally plows.
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 20 December 2019 13: 35 New
                    +2
                    Ah, friends! Archive * Truth *, cigarettes, receiver-players ... In the 72nd, when my grandmother moved to a new apartment, in the old I left a pre-revolutionary, modern, mahogany sideboard, all of which with curls, with carvings .Beautiful, as I remember now. Here is a loss of losses! And I didn’t take it for one reason, he was heavy, as she later explained.
          2. kalibr
            19 December 2019 18: 47 New
            +2
            Hello to you, Konstantin! The memory of childhood. After breakfast and lunch, my grandfather from Pravda made a “goat leg”, stuffed “Herzegovina Flora” with tobacco and smoked, and I sat and ... did passive smoking. And no one stopped me. And then my family wondered why I didn’t eat beets in any form, including borsch. But in children, tobacco smoke often causes idiosyncrasy specifically on beets ... But it wasn’t from plow, it was like.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 19 December 2019 19: 07 New
              +3
              There are strange things with tobacco. In our family, no one smoked, and as I began at fourteen, I still smoke. The wife began with "secondhand smoke", her dad smoked throughout the apartment and she quite calmly lit an eighteenth cigarette at the festive table, as if she had always smoked. He still smokes too, and the passive smoker here is our kitten Laki, but he has it on the drum, he didn’t eat beets before. smile
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 19 December 2019 21: 19 New
                +2
                and a passive smoker, we have our kitten Lucky, but he doesn’t care about the drum, he didn’t eat beets before.

                Mine, too, was a passive smoker for a long time, but now they are smoking me out of the apartment crying but he doesn’t eat human food at all! request
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 19 December 2019 22: 32 New
                  +2
                  Yes, my story is the same, only my feed is bursting. It catches mice every day, but disdains to eat, brings it and lays it in a row on the porch, and then I drag them to the trash.
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 20 December 2019 07: 07 New
                    +3
                    In our cat business the main thing is reporting! laughing
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 20 December 2019 09: 21 New
                      +3
                      In our cat business the main thing is reporting!

                      Yeah .. And do not do things past the tray laughing hmm .. I’m wondering when a gremlin will report to me, who even now sticks cons to every comment? what Now, in what place did I stroke him? angry
                      1. Phil77
                        Phil77 20 December 2019 13: 40 New
                        +2
                        Hi Nikolai! My Filipok has never gone past for three years. Here's smart! Although from the yard. laughing
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 20 December 2019 14: 09 New
                        +3
                        Hello Sergey! drinks my identity from the yard. But sometimes it has been pushing claims lately - so to speak, "misses the mark" wink drinks and God forbid to leave him for the night outside the room - he will yell under the door, "let the monsters go to bed!" laughing
                      3. Phil77
                        Phil77 20 December 2019 14: 35 New
                        +1
                        Oh, how are you right about the door !!!! It doesn’t take closed doors to the spirit, open that’s all! Are you crazy about closing the door ?! And when it gets hungry, it starts a marathon around the apartment, it’s not even more correct to call running with obstacles. wassat
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 19 December 2019 21: 38 New
        +7
        Once, removing layer by layer the wallpaper in the "old fund" (wallpaper-newspaper-paint-wallpaper-newspaper-paint), the last frontier, before the "prehistoric" plaster, I found newspapers in German, 1876! I wanted to cry, but I had to tear it off ... request crying
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 19 December 2019 22: 26 New
          +6
          In the year when Chernobyl rushed, we were on Lake Pyatiyozerka. Muola Järvi (The Great), they excavated a Finnish dugout, so there, among other things, was a Finnish newspaper for 1940, some kind of winter month. In short, their last mail before our advance. Our 76-mm shell hit the dugout, but it did not explode, but destroyed the roof and knocked down the stove; apparently, a fire started. There was a lot of things besides the newspaper, and, strangely enough, it didn’t even burn. Well, the guys dragged everything into their pockets, and I took the newspaper and the charger from Lahti-Solorant to my museum. There was also a full-profile trench with a dugout, sandy soil between the rocks, and there were no bunkers in these swamps, it would have flooded, and the catwalk wasn’t dangerous for anyone who would climb into the swamp.
          But according to the pillboxes themselves, the Mannerheim Lines were also climbed, but there they had been cleared for a long time, except for the flooded ones, of course.
          1. kalibr
            20 December 2019 08: 04 New
            +3
            Quote: Sea Cat
            and the newspaper

            And where is this newspaper? It needs to be scanned and translated. It will be SOMETHING!
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 20 December 2019 14: 09 New
              +1
              I welcome you, Vyacheslav Olegovich! Sorry, but ... it will just be an old Finnish newspaper.
            2. Catfish
              Catfish 20 December 2019 15: 54 New
              +1
              Hi, Vyacheslav! hi If you haven’t done it, then it should be in the department of the Press sources of the State Historical Museum. I gave it to the guys from this department, and then it's up to them. Naturally, I was more interested in the found hardware.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 19 December 2019 15: 49 New
    10
    But where are the repressions?

    And where are hundreds of millions of executed NKVD ... where are thousands of babies eaten personally by Stalin smile ... Solzhenitsyn fans have a lot of questions, but you will not find answers to them in the archives.
    You can not find that which does not exist in principle.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 19 December 2019 16: 57 New
      +4
      Let's start with the fact that Solgunitsyn is never a historian and studying the history of the country from him is about the same as studying the history of France according to Dumas.
    2. prior
      prior 19 December 2019 16: 58 New
      +3
      That's exactly what I asked.
  • Fraracol_2
    Fraracol_2 19 December 2019 18: 22 New
    -2
    What do you suppose has become of these peasants?
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 23 December 2019 11: 42 New
      -3
      Quote: Fraancol_2
      what do you suppose has become of these peasants?

      They sent ... NKVD operatives to identify the kulak cell. K-watch the general store with 6 children.


      There are no words ....
  • Doctor
    Doctor 19 December 2019 15: 54 New
    +2
    Now there is such a “moment of truth" that you don’t even need to work in secret archives. All Lenin’s MSS must be prohibited; there are continuous bombs from theory to practical actions.

    A couple of pearls, for example, from the work "Will the Bolsheviks Hold State Power" Vol. 37 PSS.

    National and agricultural issues, these are the fundamental issues of the day of the petty-bourgeois masses of the population of Russia at present .... the masses would have met with the government’s not merciless oppression of the peasants by the landowners, Ukrainians by the Great Russians, as under tsarism, ... the immediate restoration of complete freedom for Finland, Ukraine, Belarus, for Muslims, etc.


    The proletarian state must forcibly move an extremely needy family into the apartment of a rich person. Our detachment of working militia, for example, consists of 15 people: two sailors, two soldiers, two conscious workers (of whom let only one is a member of our party or sympathize with it), then 1 intellectual and 8 people from the working poor, certainly not less than 5 women, servants, laborers, etc. The detachment enters the rich's apartment, examines her, finds 5 rooms for two men and two women. ““ You will have fun, citizens, in two rooms this winter, and prepare two rooms for two families from the basement to settle in them. ” For the time being, with the help of engineers (you seem to be an engineer?) We will not build good apartments for everyone, you must make room. Your phone will serve 10 families. This will save you 100 hours of work, running around the shops, etc. Then in your family there are two unemployed half-workers who can do light work: a citizen of 55 years and a citizen of 14 years. They will be on duty daily for 3 hours to monitor the correct distribution of products for 10 families and keep the necessary records for this. A student citizen who is in our detachment will now write in two copies the text of this state order,

    There, by the way, and about the famous cook. Another myth. He did NOT say that a cook is able to rule the state.

    We are not utopians. We know that any laborer and any cook is not capable immediately take control of the state. But we differ from these citizens in that we demand an immediate break with the prejudice that it is to rule the state, to carry on the everyday, daily work of the administration, only rich or from rich families are taken officials.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 19 December 2019 16: 25 New
      0
      Do not prohibit the legacy of Lenin. In no case. Moreover, it is worth publishing without cuts in order to dispel the tales of communist propaganda about the "good grandfather Lenin." Between truth and propaganda it is worth paying tribute to the first. And so, I agree with you - really bombs. Which is high time to neutralize.
  • Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 19 December 2019 16: 14 New
    -7
    But here the marriage reaches 65% ... And if such are the indicators for the Penza plant alone, then how many such marriages were made throughout the country?

    But what about - "In the USSR it was all high-quality and in accordance with GOST".
    In general, the documents confirm the minimum efficiency of a planned economy with the state at the head.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 19 December 2019 16: 31 New
      +5
      Well, yes, yes, they confirm your limitation, at best. Now that quality blooms and smells, especially in the food sector.
      1. kalibr
        19 December 2019 19: 39 New
        -3
        The degenerate seeks and finds examples of the worst in the world to justify itself: I was not the first to start doing this! I just joined the established practice! It’s not necessary about “now”, about now a separate conversation. It, now, has also grown from the past!
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 19 December 2019 19: 44 New
          +8
          Quote: kalibr
          Degenerate seeks and finds examples of the worst in the world
          Your tendentious, most negative selection of material about the Soviet era brilliantly confirms your own words. I will not specify about whom.
          1. kalibr
            19 December 2019 21: 46 New
            0
            But I do not condone the worst, Vladimir, like you. Turn logic on at least occasionally. Do you want a positive ... go to the archive of your hometown and take documents there, as everything was spoiled, raspberries. Publish here, but don’t be surprised if I later make a request there and find something else there. Is going? By the way, you did not answer what year the marriage was out of date ...
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 23 December 2019 11: 51 New
              -2
              Quote: kalibr
              But I do not condone the worst, Vladimir, like you. Turn logic on at least occasionally. Do you want a positive ... go to the archive of your hometown and take documents there, as everything was spoiled, raspberries. Publish here, but don’t be surprised if I later make a request there and find something else there. Is going? By the way, you did not answer what year the marriage was out of date ...

              Yes, he will not find anything, and he will not search: comrade. he simply BELIEVES in a happy past, he simply does not perceive everything that contradicts this.

              Yes, and God is with them.

              Your articles are a huge plus for the primary sources of the TRUTH.
          2. kalibr
            19 December 2019 22: 18 New
            -2
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Your tendentious

            And who has proven this?
      2. Sergei 777
        Sergei 777 20 December 2019 12: 47 New
        +1
        For normal money, you can find normal quality, if you do not have it, this is not my problem.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 19 December 2019 17: 06 New
      10
      Quote: Sergey 777
      But what about - "In the USSR it was all high-quality and in accordance with GOST".
      In general, the documents confirm the minimum efficiency of a planned economy with the state at the head.

      The correctness of the repression, they confirm that the author threatens to lay out. laughing Although he, as usual, will most likely emphasize the absurdity of the charges. Shake it - see.
      1. kalibr
        19 December 2019 18: 54 New
        -3
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        The correctness of the repression, they confirm that the author threatens to lay out

        That is, only fear could make people work well "for themselves", right?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 19 December 2019 19: 54 New
          +6
          Quote: kalibr
          That is, only fear could make people work well "for themselves", right?

          I hope that you, as a teacher, read pedagogical poetry?
          1. kalibr
            19 December 2019 21: 41 New
            +1
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            read pedagogical poetry?

            I read the “Pedagogical poem ...” “The pedagogical poetry” - no.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 19 December 2019 21: 52 New
              +5
              Quote: kalibr
              "I read the pedagogical poem ..." Pedagogical poetry "- no.

              Shaw Vlob, Shaw on the forehead. Well, it piqued me, it happens ... sad
              1. kalibr
                19 December 2019 21: 58 New
                +1
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Well, it piqued me, it happens ...

                I noticed ...
    3. kalibr
      19 December 2019 18: 53 New
      -4
      Quote: Sergey 777
      But what about - "In the USSR it was all high-quality and in accordance with GOST".
      In general, the documents confirm the minimum efficiency of a planned economy with the state at the head.

      This is what ... there will be further about free health care ... than we especially like to boast about ... "lovers of everything free." Oooh!
  • eagle
    eagle owl 19 December 2019 16: 27 New
    -1
    Well, here’s what’s interesting - when the plant was launched, and especially - when the assembly of fuses began on it (by the way, what kind of RG-6 belay )? It’s just typical for the development of new technology even now - a simple example - yesterday’s deadly Boeing-737max. The marriage is the same, because they began to cross already with a hedgehog, mastering the assembly in a new way.
    And here the same thing - also hard workers from the plow, also new and unknown. and also the plan (contract) is on - do what you want, but fulfill the plan ...
    1. Fraracol_2
      Fraracol_2 19 December 2019 18: 24 New
      -1
      Launched before the revolution.
    2. kalibr
      19 December 2019 18: 55 New
      +1
      About the mill will be a separate article, also very interesting.
      1. eagle
        eagle owl 19 December 2019 19: 25 New
        0
        Yeah, but I’m not removing the question about RG-6 - it’s interesting!
        1. kalibr
          19 December 2019 19: 37 New
          0
          Do I know? The text in front of you, we are in the same position ...
          1. eagle
            eagle owl 19 December 2019 20: 16 New
            0
            Okay, I just meant - suddenly YOU know, you, I didn’t understand this topic ... It’s just that something stuck in my head with a nail - well, RG, it seems like nothing was indicated other than grenades at that time? Hand grenade launchers later appeared - and for them a fuse is not needed ...
            1. kalibr
              19 December 2019 21: 40 New
              -2
              Dear, I dealt with affairs. I open the folder with sheets yellow from time to time. I read, then a photograph ... WG or GM or GC - I am not at all interested. Interesting% of marriage at a military factory. Moreover, even the newspaper Stalin's banner wrote about breakthroughs there. But this is another source.
              1. eagle
                eagle owl 19 December 2019 21: 46 New
                +1
                Clear.
                PiSi: bring down the flame - I will not attack you. I rather admire your stories, but I just asked, you probably took it. which of the "riveters" - to catch a lie in one episode and blame? No. Comrade the author, however, is really interesting, so he asked - you, go. information on this plant more than I "google". Peace? Nobody is fighting you, sir wink
                1. kalibr
                  19 December 2019 21: 59 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Uhu
                  knock down the flame -

                  I just try to answer you clearly and comprehensively. I’m just not trying to fight either with you specifically, or with anyone else.
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 20 December 2019 10: 16 New
                    +3
                    I just try to answer you clearly and comprehensively.

                    .... Vyacheslav Olegovich modestly said, covering the flamethrower .... laughing Joke! Friendship World! drinks in general, colleagues, in comparison with what was going on in the "ancient Hyperboreans", we just have a gentleman's club! wink
                    Dear Uhu - nice comments. I hope to discuss with you the continuation of the article. drinks
    3. Undecim
      Undecim 20 December 2019 01: 50 New
      +4
      by the way, and what kind of RG-6
      The main fuse for three artillery high-explosive artillery shells.
      Open the "Artillery course. Book 5: Ammunition. - M.: Military Publishing House of the USSR Nonprofit Organization, 1949" on page 108, everything is there.
      1. eagle
        eagle owl 20 December 2019 01: 55 New
        +2
        Thank. And for RG-6 - well, who is it? Golovnyak and could put on a grenade
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 19 December 2019 16: 29 New
    +6
    Wonderful, just wonderful:
    write a book about it and ... publish it at your own expense. And strives for maximum objectivity! When I heard about this, I almost fell off my chair in surprise, but his approach to disseminating information at all, as it turned out, was not at all surprising. The author of the article is surprised by the desire of real researchers to maximize objectivity, which is not surprising, because objectivity is simply not his thing, let alone maximum.
    1. kalibr
      19 December 2019 18: 57 New
      -4
      No, it surprised me at my own expense! And objectivity ... it is in front of you. Open your eyes wider and stare at it at your full pleasure. Nothing has been added to documents.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 19 December 2019 19: 09 New
        +7
        Well, yes, a biased selection of materials that are laid out without a description of organizational conclusions and consequences for the subjects, but with meaningful comments, moreover, that apply to all "socialist production", the author is an objectivity! In perpendicular reality only.
        1. kalibr
          19 December 2019 19: 35 New
          0
          Vladimir, and the consequences in the reporting NKVD in the Gorky CPSU (b) were never indicated. As organizational conclusions were not written. It was only reported that if he was a communist, then he should be considered at the bureau of the city committee. But this is a separate fund, a separate folder. Putting them together is a huge job. About the personal affairs of the Communists will be. You won’t show everything in one article. And marriage went on all Penza plants. And what Penza was some kind of nest of breeders? Obviously, this was a mass phenomenon. Somewhere less, somewhere more.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 19 December 2019 19: 38 New
            +2
            The quality problem was overcome, including with the help of reports.
            1. kalibr
              19 December 2019 19: 49 New
              +2
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              The quality problem was overcome, including with the help of reports.

              What year?
              1. kalibr
                19 December 2019 21: 36 New
                +2
                So in which year was it decided, including with the help of reports?
                1. kalibr
                  20 December 2019 08: 00 New
                  +2
                  There was no answer to this question yesterday, and no today. But there are cons. Like this. When there is nothing to argue, it happens.
                2. victor50
                  victor50 25 December 2019 22: 28 New
                  0
                  Quote: kalibr
                  So in which year was it decided, including with the help of reports?
                  Reply

                  in 2000? or in 2019? or earlier?! lol
      2. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 19 December 2019 19: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: kalibr
        And strives for maximum objectivity!
        And and an exclamation mark generally emphasizes the object of surprise
      3. eagle
        eagle owl 19 December 2019 19: 26 New
        +2
        Do not be surprised, for example, such verses - a lot. Even I know one thing. although from their parties sooooo far laughing Will publish at his own expense - and glad, like a poet
      4. Slavs
        Slavs 19 December 2019 19: 39 New
        +5
        Quote: kalibr
        Nothing has been added to documents.

        That's right ... The main thing is to show exactly those documents that display what you need ...
        And they didn’t lie ... And put everything in the light you need .... We call it objectivity))
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  • Avior
    Avior 19 December 2019 18: 33 New
    +5
    Recently, resources have appeared in socialized archives like the “old newspapers” or the award base “feat of the people” and some others
    Their lack - notes in the information
    For example, if you look in old newspapers for issues near the start of World War II, you want to read what newspapers wrote then, and at that time they always reflected the official point of view of the authorities, and you want to see how the subject and tone of publications about the main event changed 20 century, then you will have difficulties - these numbers are for some reason not
    Nevertheless, the emergence of such resources should be welcomed and supported in every possible way — even in a cropped form, the benefit of studying real recent history is great
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 19 December 2019 19: 26 New
      +4
      At one time, doing my thesis by chance in the library I looked at the trophy fascist monthly magazine, something like "Bulletin of Air Defense", I don’t remember the exact name. And in the February issue of 1943, in addition to the line of the Soviet-German front, there was nothing at all about the current war. Although the battle of Stalingrad has just ended.
      1. kalibr
        19 December 2019 19: 30 New
        -1
        Quote: Aviator_
        by chance in the library I looked at the trophy fascist monthly magazine, something like the “Air Defense Bulletin”, I don’t remember the exact name.

        It is a pity that by accident. Indeed, an indicative fact of the silence of Hitlerite propaganda of the situation at the front. But ... has sunk into oblivion and now it cannot be used.
      2. Avior
        Avior 19 December 2019 21: 08 New
        +4
        The Germans had such a policy - to pretend that nothing special is happening
        many simply do not believe, but their entire industry and economy until 1943, worked in peacetime, no military rails, like ours in 1941.
        Hitler and the Germans had a tacit agreement — I provide you with a standard of living, ensure a peaceful and peaceful life, and what’s going on outside the Reich is not very relevant to you
        When the first mass allied raid on Germany was, Hitler yelled at Goering for the fact that the Germans began to realize that the war was affecting them personally, and not just the army was fighting somewhere.
        The situation changed only after Goebbels's famous speech about the total war in the Berlin gym
        There, he demanded that the Germans abandon the habits of peacetime, travel, vacation in resorts and other things, read, find on the network is easy, clearly shows how the Germans perceived the war at the time of 1943
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 19 December 2019 21: 16 New
          +3
          However, a three-day mourning for the 6th Paulus Army was declared throughout Germany. It was impossible to shut up.
          1. Avior
            Avior 19 December 2019 21: 48 New
            +5
            Served as a one-time random tragic event
            From this they created a heroic myth - supposedly the army died, but did not surrender to the superior enemy forces
            Goebbels personally spoke
            “From the Führer’s headquarters, February 3, 1943. The Wehrmacht’s high command declares that the battle for Stalingrad is over. Field army Marshal Paulus, loyal to his duty, was completely destroyed by superior enemy forces. But this sacrifice was not in vain. The army died so that Germany could live.”

            Mourning was declared, but in general it was served, as I wrote above, a one-time random tragic-heroic event
            But Stalingrad did his job
            Goebbels spoke of a total war on February 18, 1943.
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 19 December 2019 22: 14 New
              +3
              It is clear that with this speech they started “everything for victory”, and before that they thought that they would win.
              1. Avior
                Avior 19 December 2019 22: 39 New
                +5
                And then the nuances were
                Look, for example, the Girl of my dreams on YouTube
                1944 is a purely entertaining film, not a word about the war, on color film (color! 1944 in Germany. Here you have the limitations of wartime)
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 20 December 2019 10: 19 New
                  +2
                  1944 is a purely entertaining film, not a word about the war, on color film (color! 1944 in Germany. Here you have the limitations of wartime)

                  after the war, this film went to the cinemas of the USSR. Trophy films are also films! request
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 20 December 2019 10: 21 New
                    +1
                    And enjoyed success
                    I also watched it, there is on YouTube
                    You can watch even now, a completely peaceful film
                    Doesn’t fit in with Germany in 1944
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 20 December 2019 11: 55 New
                      +3
                      I here, I repent, have never looked, but I have heard about a very good impression from respected members of the forum. hi
        2. The popuas
          The popuas 19 December 2019 23: 14 New
          +4
          but their entire industry and economy, until 1943, worked in peacetime, no military rails, as we had in 1941 ...... Don’t forget about the rest of Europe! And on the topic, so sst in the eye, they say God's dew .... !!! Real and newspaper information is diametrically different!
        3. victor50
          victor50 25 December 2019 22: 32 New
          0
          Quote: Avior
          The Germans had such a policy - to pretend that nothing special is happening
          many simply do not believe, but their entire industry and economy until 1943, worked in peacetime, no military rails, like ours in 1941.

          At 43 switched to the military? Wow - ours have not yet entered their territory! request
  • Slavs
    Slavs 19 December 2019 18: 45 New
    +5
    Today we have a unique opportunity, without being limited by anything, to calculate, for example, by years, what percentage of the Penza communists and regions were expelled from the party (and convicted!) For sodomy and what their percentage (explicit) in the party was, we can examine the number of accepted in the party of participants and order-bearers of the Second World War, and then expelled from its ranks for ... theft, drunkenness and other anti-social and anti-party acts; we can calculate the number of anti-Soviet statements made by collective farmers and workers, according to the NKVD and the KGB, which regularly lay on the table to the secretaries of the OK VKP (b)

    Right Andrei Malakhov "Big wash" ... Something reminded ...
  • Nitochkin
    Nitochkin 19 December 2019 18: 50 New
    +1
    "That's all, as 34 years ago ..."
    Excerpt from the textbook of forensic psychology authored by Viktor Obraztsov and Sapfo Nikolaevna Bogomolova, prominent Soviet and Russian forensic scientists:
    “For an organized non-social criminal, every murder turns (at least in part) into a game. Such a criminal can return to the crime scene to relive the feelings experienced here ...
    It turned out that Fefilov regularly came to the crime scenes and for a long time admired the process of rotting bodies, examining the traces of the struggle, again and again mentally reproducing his circumstances, experiencing pleasure. "
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 19 December 2019 21: 46 New
    +1
    Hello, Vyacheslav Olegovich! Interesting stuff! As always, in such topics, I can say a lot "pro et contra".
    1. kalibr
      19 December 2019 22: 16 New
      -1
      Dear Anton! But you can’t say anything in this situation. Think ... You did not work in this archive. You are not familiar with his affairs, you cannot judge the qualitative and quantitative selection of information. You can’t imagine its local volumes. Is not it so? Based on what are you going to "say a lot"? Any other source of information for comparison will be inappropriate, didn’t you think about it? But you are unlikely to bring me a similar selection of materials from the archive of the Leningrad City Committee. That is the whole problem. "I look at the moon, but it does not answer me!"
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 19 December 2019 22: 40 New
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        Bravo, Vyacheslav Olegovich! Weli !!!
        However ... All these documents were written by people, one way or another engaged by the situation in which they were.
        1. kalibr
          20 December 2019 07: 57 New
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          Quote: 3x3zsave
          All these documents were written by people, one way or another engaged by the situation in which they were.

          Without any doubt. We are all slaves to the situation. Someone was silent, someone said (stupidly!), And someone climbed onto the podium and also said what was needed. Only one thing united them. What was in their soul! But very often they did not betray themselves with either a word, a glance, or an act. Until the situation has changed!
  • BAI
    BAI 20 December 2019 08: 41 New
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    The author, as always, in his repertoire. Of the tens of thousands of storage units, he selected a selection (units) of negative facts and concludes that everything is bad in the USSR.
  • 1536
    1536 20 December 2019 10: 53 New
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    One thing to consider. Yes, the party (VKP (b), then the CPSU) intervened in all spheres of life in Soviet society. But, firstly, the Constitution of the USSR contained Article 6 in chapter 1. “Political system,” about the party as the guiding and directing force of Soviet society, the core of its political system. "And as you know, the Constitution has not been canceled ... Secondly, we must pay tribute to the highest party leadership that the profile instructors of the district committees, regional committees, regional committees, as well as directly to the Central Committee of the CPSU were specialists in the field that they were in charge of, and the specialists are not bad, not like today's "effective managers", graduates of various undergraduate and graduate programs.
    Unfortunately, the party did not notice in time the incipient transformation of a large number of its members into the petty-bourgeois mass of "fellow travelers", as I.V. called them Stalin, which by the mid-80s of the XNUMXth century took shape in the so-called "perestroika", and then the collapse and death of the USSR.
    But without the party’s leadership, I think, there could have been no Industrialization and Collectivization of the 1930s that would have allowed Soviet Russia to make a tremendous temporary leap in the development of industry and agriculture, changing the mentality of the people, turning the patriarchal peasants of tsarist Russia, slaughtered workers, into citizens USSR engaged in their favorite business, and thinking about a bright future. There would be no Victory in the Great Patriotic War, the development of atomic energy, the development of the Arctic, and it would be unlikely that the Smolensk guy Yu.A. Gagarin would be the first to fly into space, and Soviet automatic stations would not bring the moon robotic self-propelled vehicles Lunokhod-1 and Lunokhod-2 to the moon.
    As for archives, there is such a thing as "examination of the value of documents." It should be carried out by archival workers together with historians, sociologists and specialists in a particular field of knowledge. After the commission recognizes documents of no historical value, these documents are destroyed. In addition, documents from the local partarchives in the Soviet era were sent for storage to the central partarchive, and documents of no exceptional value remained in storage. Archival workers also have a professional rule: you doubt whether it is necessary to destroy the document - do not destroy it, let it be stored. And letting anyone in the archives is a vicious practice. Even from the presented documents in the article, two conclusions can be drawn about life in the USSR in a certain period. It all depends on the researcher and the task that this researcher sets for himself. Previously, permission to work in the archives for historians or specialists in a particular field was given by the same party organizations and KGB bodies. Correct, by the way, was the practice.
    1. Avior
      Avior 20 December 2019 12: 01 New
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      . And letting anyone in the archives is a vicious practice.

      Right You need to digitize everything and put it in free access
      And to paper documents, only specialists if necessary
      1. 1536
        1536 20 December 2019 13: 20 New
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        Digitization of archival documents costs a lot of money. Therefore, the counter offer is to digitize only upon request after payment.
        1. Avior
          Avior 20 December 2019 13: 40 New
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          If selectively digitized, it will be expensive
          If everything is much cheaper
          Digitize the base of the awarded - millions of units
          1. 1536
            1536 20 December 2019 13: 50 New
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            So this, as far as I know, has already been digitized at TsAMO.
            In fact, the central archives in Russia are advanced modern enterprises that have long been using, including information technology in document storage. In addition, the archive is still not a museum, not a library, and not a club. This is a repository of documents, a kind of elevator. Welcome to the bakery, gentlemen! But at the elevator, you have nothing to do, experts work there, they should not be disturbed, otherwise there will be nothing to bake “bread” from.
            1. Avior
              Avior 20 December 2019 15: 33 New
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              Not a short way from the elevator to the bakery
              If all the digitized documents are opened, then the paper part and the specialists will need infrequently
              1. 1536
                1536 20 December 2019 15: 46 New
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                Look, what parsley can happen. Each order has its own number, registered in the award sheet and stamped on the order itself. It is no secret that after the war some people sold orders, and dishonest ones didn’t buy them for collection, but to go to the military enlistment office to receive benefits. There were cases when orders were stolen on a battlefield, and after the war they were trumped by them undeservedly. Anything has happened. A person is weak and loves honors, especially if there is no strict control at the state level. What will an accessible database of lists of awarded personnel give? Perhaps there is additional control on the part of society over crooks and swindlers, especially now, when the generation of winners in the Great Patriotic War is irrevocably leaving, and everything goes to their heirs. It is possible, but will it be useful, because offenses should be taken up by the competent authorities? But in any case, this is a necessary thing, the country must know its heroes.
                But what can lay out in free access documents of the military prosecutor’s office, for example, summaries of the political departments of armies and fronts, encryption on operational command and control of troops during battle days? This can give a researcher a lot. The only question is, what conclusions will this researcher draw from all this material? Therefore, before opening documents, removing privacy stamps, etc. from them, you need to think hard and, probably, in this case the mind is good, but two is better.
                Therefore, the discussion of opening archives must be closed.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 20 December 2019 16: 57 New
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                  . Each order has its own number, registered in the award sheet and stamped on the order itself. It is no secret that after the war some people sold orders, and dishonest ones didn’t buy them for collection, but to go to the military enlistment office to receive benefits.

                  What is it like? There is an order book, it is written down there to whom it was issued.
                  And if you say that you lost, anyway, first a request to the archive
                  What will an accessible database of lists of awarded personnel give?

                  It's not the same for everybody. Objective reward information, such as
                  And a description of certain events.
                  Relatives will receive objective information about their loved ones
                  For example, for the first time I saw my grandfather’s award sheet. So what?
                  But what can lay out in free access documents of the military prosecutor’s office, for example, summaries of the political departments of armies and fronts, encryption on operational command and control of troops during battle days?

                  Objective information can give. For this, the archives are opened. Accordingly, the researcher can draw conclusions based on objective information.
                  Therefore, the discussion of opening archives must be closed.

                  Of course you need
                  You just need to open the archives for digital access
  • old man vk
    old man vk 20 December 2019 17: 31 New
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    “Because there simply is no past” - one can disagree. Memory is revealed in deep hypnosis, for example. Or in other ways.
    Archive-archive the difference. A report on drunkenness of a judge, a neighbor in the archive - is this necessary in reality? And here is "..you, Greeks, don’t even know that Christ came five hundred years ago" - a manuscript of the Middle Ages from the Kremlin archive.
    Fake? No - confirmation of the fact from many sources.
  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2019 22: 47 New
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    Once, last summer, there was a need to go to the district center for documents. Well, I came and found that getting to the institution I needed was possible only through a huge old park. And there are furry Christmas trees to the sky, I’ve never seen such ones, and even though the city center is quiet in the park, only the birds have something in common, and their melodic screams have the same melodic echo. And the air! The air was filled with coniferous aromas mixed with the smell of pretty leaves. Along the way, I came across an old brick building, still Soviet-era, shaded by firs and oaks. It turned out to be some kind of still operating research institute. Schoolchildren crowded around him. The teacher explained to them in a lecture voice that plants are being studied at this institute. Children diligently listened to her ...
    And suddenly it seemed to me that I was in the distant past, that I was in some kind of Soviet Academgorodok, and this feeling was so strong, so beautiful that it began to seem - just a little bit more, and the conversing people among themselves, scientists familiar to me ...
    Therefore, having left the park and plunged into a modern noisy reality, I experienced a psychological shock, almost a mental blow, and I still remember my condition - not a shock, but a magical time shift.
    That's how I once went in the past. It happened ...

    Do you know how I like Shpakovsky’s articles? They are warm, sweet.
  • iouris
    iouris 21 December 2019 11: 53 New
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    Shpakovsky takes you both from the present and from the future. Have a good trip!
  • Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 21 December 2019 21: 52 New
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    For a long time I have been following the “creativity” of the tackle teacher from the CPSU Shpakovsky, and all the time I wanted to understand why he was only interested in the negative aspects of our history.

    Most likely, he fulfills someone’s order, someone really wants to imagine that everything was bad in the USSR. So he tries to show that against the background of great construction projects there were scammers. One thing is surprising, how industrialization could be carried out in the country of “scammers”, the results of which we still use.

    I want to once again remind Shpakovsky of eastern wisdom. "If you shoot the past with a pistol, the future will shoot you with a gun."
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 23 December 2019 12: 02 New
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    Wonderful article!