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American officer: I was offered three times to become the Minister of Defense of Ukraine

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Information appeared in the Western press that high-ranking Ukrainian officials addressed foreign citizens with proposals to take up certain posts in the Cabinet of Ukraine. So, in the American edition of The Daily Beast published material that describes the proposal coming from (at that time) Secretary of the Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council Alexander Danilyuk to the officer of the American Security Council, Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Windman.


The publication writes that Danilyuk at least three times suggested that the American officer think about the possibility of taking the post of head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense. Windman announced such conversations the day before at a regular hearing in the US Congress on the so-called “Ukrainian case.”

It should be noted that recently, American officials, representatives of special services and other government agencies in fact "drain" any information about conversations with Ukrainian officials and politicians. Windman is no exception.

From a statement by an American officer at congressional hearings:

I did not take these statements seriously, but he (Danilyuk) was persistent. I was offered at least three times to take the post of Minister of Defense of Ukraine.

This conversation between Danilyuk and Windman took place on the day when an American officer flew to Kiev for the inauguration ceremony of President Zelensky.

The Ukrainian media asked to comment on Mr. Danilyuk Vindman’s statements (Danilyuk is no longer the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council). The ex-official of Ukraine said that his words “were a joke,” adding that “in the end, we both just laughed.”

Recall that it is Windman in the United States who is the key "witness" in the so-called case of "Trump pressure on Zelensky during a telephone conversation." The Republicans call Windman the "registered figure of the Democratic Party."

It is important to note that the practice of appointing foreign citizens to ministerial positions is not new for Ukraine. In the government of Yatsenyuk, at one time many portfolios were handed out to individuals with American and other foreign passports.
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  1. Alexander Petrov1
    Alexander Petrov1 20 November 2019 08: 40
    +5
    They would also have asked West Point cadet for the post of Minister of Defense of Ukraine ... laughing
    1. cost
      cost 20 November 2019 08: 49
      +16
      The publication writes that Danilyuk at least three times suggested that the American officer think about the possibility of taking the post of head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense.

      As if the chieftain were chosen. laughing
      The American had to refuse three times, and then bow to Danilyuk and take the mace
      The madhouse wassat
      1. English tarantas
        English tarantas 20 November 2019 09: 17
        +1
        As if the chieftain were chosen. laughing

        Not as it was in the Tale?

        “We went across the sea to the Varangians, to Rus. Those Varangians were called Rus, as others are called Swedes, and others - Normans and Angles, and still other Goths - like this.” They said Chud, Slavs, Krivichi and the whole of Russia: great and abundant, but there is no order in it. Come to reign and rule over us. "
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 20 November 2019 09: 35
        +6
        Quote: Rich
        laughing .... The American had to refuse three times, and then bow to Danilyuk and accept the mace Madhouse wassat
        Grandmother told me that a long time ago in the village there was such a ritual ---- they offered to eat, drink tea. I had to say --- already had lunch today. Then again they offered ---- it was necessary to say that everything is at home. Then it was necessary to persuade at least a piece, at least a little ..... that would not offend the owners. ..... Then, with great reluctance, one should agree to a little ....
        The American apparently somehow hesitantly refused, if 3 times offered
        1. svp67
          svp67 20 November 2019 10: 58
          +2
          Quote: Reptiloid
          The American apparently somehow hesitantly refused, if 3 times offered

          Sha, he is not an ordinary American, but to represent the "God of the Chosen People" and therefore clearly feels what to agree to and what not. The position of some minister in Ukraine, he clearly does not suit, he seems to be aiming at the Procurators
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 20 November 2019 13: 39
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            ..... The post of some minister in Ukraine, he clearly does not like it, it seems he is aiming at the Procurators
            Perhaps he has information on the further development of events there, ???? request also more serious plans for life?
            1. svp67
              svp67 20 November 2019 18: 14
              +1
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Perhaps he has information on the further development of events there, ???? also more serious plans for life?

              If you consider what exactly goes as the MAIN Witness, in the case of Trump's pressure on Zelensky in telephone conversations, it is possible
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 20 November 2019 19: 55
                0
                Quote: svp67
                ...... If you consider what exactly goes as the MAIN WITNESS in the case of Trump's pressure on Zelensky in telephone conversations, it is possible
                Yeah, I wonder how anyone will turn around ??
                1. svp67
                  svp67 20 November 2019 20: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  Yeah, I wonder how anyone will turn around ??

                  We stock up on popcorn ... bully
      3. svp67
        svp67 20 November 2019 10: 56
        +2
        Quote: Rich
        The madhouse

        No, this is Ukraine .... And in general, to be honest, I really "like" all this, but I can imagine how the Ukrainian military "likes" it ...
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 20 November 2019 13: 56
          0
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Rich
          The madhouse

          No, this is Ukraine .... And in general, to be honest, I really "like" all this, but I can imagine how the Ukrainian military "likes" it ...

          With that, they rode on the Maidan, shouting the slogan - "Pull the stranger, here the ruler is Ukrainian" - as the "ruler" decides, so it will be ...
          In the government of Yatsenyuk, at one time many portfolios were handed out to people with American and other foreign passports.
          . Along the way, they pledged, it remains to sell the land.
      4. Fantazer911
        Fantazer911 20 November 2019 11: 25
        0
        It would be right to say so
        Worship Danilyuk and take the mace from the madhouse, in short the keys to the fool hi
      5. knn54
        knn54 20 November 2019 12: 01
        0
        Alas, Ukraine is still not Europe, there is ONLY a gynecologist ...
    2. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 20 November 2019 08: 51
      0
      It is strange that Danilyuk offered the post to Windman absolutely free. But he could ask for $ 5-10 million for patronage.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 20 November 2019 11: 01
        0
        Or maybe even suggested ...
        But the American is not a complete deb (oh!) Ik, he perfectly understands that the mere mention of money can trigger a REAL investigation of the type of son from Burisma - and that’s all, a career will be ruined right away, even if you go to India!
      2. den3080
        den3080 20 November 2019 13: 17
        0
        Quote: bessmertniy
        It is strange that Danilyuk offered the post to Windman absolutely free. But he could ask for $ 5-10 million for patronage.

        This would be the next step, if Windman agreed.
        And then Danilyuk would tell everyone that the Minister of Defense is his man.
        Well, as Zelensky Trump said that the General Prosecutor is his man.
    3. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 20 November 2019 08: 53
      +7
      Quote: Alexander Petrov1
      They would also have asked West Point cadet for the post of Minister of Defense of Ukraine ...

      It is possible that, against the backdrop of Ukrainian generals, this cadet will turn out to be a tough professional. And against the background of ministers - a brilliant manager.
      1. Alexander Petrov1
        Alexander Petrov1 20 November 2019 08: 59
        0
        Well, if you look at how they behave in the Donbass and try to get on a break on boats to the Sea of ​​Azov, then an 18-year-old American cadet will be smarter than them. smile
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 20 November 2019 11: 04
          0
          Apparently, he was smarter, and initially got acquainted with the device and function of the Armed Forces, and realized that only a real gallows can take command of a gangster conglomerate, where every second is a MILITARY CRIMINAL!
    4. Private-K
      Private-K 20 November 2019 08: 56
      +7
      Alexander Semenovich Windman was born in the USSR in 1975. Jew. In 1979 he was taken to live in the United States.
      He graduated from university. He joined the army and completed officer courses. Served in infantry. Passed courses rangers and paratroopers. He fought. Was injured. He served in the system of military attaches. The man is clearly intelligent, intelligent. Why not appoint a minister? For Ukraine, it would be the norm. Although, I think, I could not have done it - local specifics.
      1. Perun Horch
        Perun Horch 20 November 2019 09: 06
        -3
        Really good professional! If conditions were created for him, he could change the army of Ukraine!
      2. Alexander Petrov1
        Alexander Petrov1 20 November 2019 09: 11
        0
        Then it would be better if they would immediately be asked to head their army of our Minister of Defense and at the same time would become part of the Russian Federation, which is why there should be little things and exchanged for lieutenant colonels ... smile
      3. hydrox
        hydrox 20 November 2019 11: 09
        0
        It is not a matter of specificity, but of common sense - and it was common sense that reminded Windman of WHY Nuremberg was created and WHO HAS ended his life after passing through the Nornberg Tribunal ...
    5. Grandfather
      Grandfather 20 November 2019 08: 56
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Petrov1
      They would also have asked West Point cadet for the post of Minister of Defense of Ukraine ... laughing

      grandson of Zolotov? Head of the Russian Guard?
      1. Alexander Petrov1
        Alexander Petrov1 20 November 2019 09: 02
        0
        And what does the grandson of General Zolotov study in the United States?
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          1. askort154
            askort154 20 November 2019 09: 55
            0
            Perun Horch ... In general, everything about Russia is crying, sick ..

            So the new Hohlak troll showed up at VO -
            "Per angry dong weasel, "
            but with the old, worn down to holes, training manual. Kysh negative !
            A lot of you appear here, but quickly blown away. yes
            1. vovanpain
              vovanpain 20 November 2019 10: 17
              +2
              Quote: askort154
              So the new Hohlak troll showed up at VO -

              What does the old training manual. laughing
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              1. askort154
                askort154 20 November 2019 10: 53
                +2
                Perun Horch .....Respected! I've never been to Ukraine! Do you have any kind of complex in front of Ukraine since you call all Ukrainians?

                It doesn't matter to me - Ukrainian, Pole or "navalnenok". You all have one training manual. Look at the results of your duty at VO. Two days, as I registered and already got 4000 minuses.!
                Congratulations ! There are no "suckers" here! yes
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                  1. askort154
                    askort154 20 November 2019 11: 44
                    0
                    Perun Horch ... Minuses put to everyone whose opinion differs from the works of Botox!

                    Look in your "personal" - 4000 people disagreed with your opinion! And that's in two days. Hence the logical conclusion.
                    Perun Ferret- a troll who reprints materials prepared not by him, the so-called "manuals".
                    Even the words are worn out. "Botox" is proof of this. This is a purely khokh-lyatsky "drove", 5 years ago.
                    I know, in a couple of days, you will come out here under a different "nickname". Plus, you're not alone here. But that won't change anything. On this site, your "manuals" are deciphered in flight.
                    Therefore, you change your "nicknames" after 3-5 days. yes
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          2. VeteranVSSSR
            VeteranVSSSR 20 November 2019 10: 48
            +1
            Patriots, however ...
          3. Private-K
            Private-K 20 November 2019 13: 35
            0
            Remezkov’s eldest son, Stepan, recently graduated from Valley Forge Militar College in Pennsylvania ... The deputy’s son studied under the program for US Army officers (!!!).

            This "college" does not graduate US military officers! It's just a high school + secondary college with a military-like type of training. That is, the "cadets" wear military-style uniforms, they are really taught and drunk (and not as is customary "for the people" - do sho hosh). In general, this is the closest analogue of the Soviet-Russian Suvorov schools. Only there is still a semi-university "college" course.
            In general - a school for the future elite.
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        1. Alexander Petrov1
          Alexander Petrov1 20 November 2019 09: 14
          0
          It turns out that it is not prohibited by the laws of Russia, it is allowed ... smile
      3. Alexander Petrov1
        Alexander Petrov1 20 November 2019 10: 06
        0
        It seems to me that if the grandchildren of officials are not prohibited by law of Russia from studying abroad, then the grandson of Zolotov would not be a bad candidate for defense ministers of Ukraine smile
    6. Vend
      Vend 20 November 2019 10: 04
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Petrov1
      They would also have asked West Point cadet for the post of Minister of Defense of Ukraine ... laughing

      Whats wrong with that? So he is not capable of more.
    7. 4ekist
      4ekist 20 November 2019 11: 10
      0
      He refused the post of Minister of Defense of Ukraine, a wise decision.
    8. Prisoner
      Prisoner 20 November 2019 11: 40
      0
      Do not hurry. And come to this. hi
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 20 November 2019 08: 41
    +2
    Information appeared in the Western press that high-ranking Ukrainian officials addressed foreign citizens with proposals to take up certain posts in the Cabinet of Ukraine.

    Everyone knows about this (except for the Ukrainians themselves) and there is nothing much to be surprised at. I won’t list by family name - a lot of honor for)) for them.
  3. Loess
    Loess 20 November 2019 08: 42
    +2
    The publication writes that Danilyuk at least three times suggested that the American officer think about the possibility of taking the post of head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense.
    Yes, they would ask to join the United States immediately, otherwise they will exchange for little things ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 November 2019 09: 18
      +1
      Quote: Less
      Yes, they would ask to join the United States immediately,

      All in one question "Does anyone need them, or not?" The land will soon go on sale, well, why would anyone, someone to take to him. Here from the Latin Americans Trump is building a wall with, and you also suggest that he build the same wall along the Atlantic Ocean.
      1. Loess
        Loess 20 November 2019 09: 36
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        and you still offer him to build the same wall along the Atlantic Ocean.

        From this point of view, I did not consider this issue. Indeed, in this situation, my proposal looks very insidious in relation to the states ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 20 November 2019 10: 05
          0
          Quote: Less
          Indeed, in this situation, my proposal looks very insidious in relation to the states ...

          I also felt sorry for the states. Imagine 20 millionth New York jumping in embroidered shirts.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 November 2019 08: 43
    +3
    Lieutenant Colonel as Minister of Defense? Although it's APU! There are more admirals than ships, and the army without aviation ... Well, at least not a gynecologist wassat
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 November 2019 09: 08
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Lieutenant Colonel as Minister of Defense?

      So much for the price of the Ukrainian general. Here I occasionally communicate with the American lieutenant colonel, the guy is literate and knows Russian well, was a battalion commander. Listening to the statements of Ukrainian generals, I see that the battalion’s training and intelligence are higher than the noise-general’s.
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      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 20 November 2019 11: 45
        0
        Did someone tell you that he was an American figure? Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs! There was an attempt, but the switch of arrows failed. Sit down, no luck. laughing
        1. Perun Horch
          Perun Horch 20 November 2019 15: 40
          0
          Did I say that he is an American figure ???? Have you read carefully? Or you have brain phimosis, I quoted to this message
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Lieutenant Colonel as Minister of Defense? Although it's APU! There are more admirals than ships, and the army without aviation ... Well, at least not a gynecolo
  5. Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 20 November 2019 08: 48
    +2
    To trifle, Darth Vader, that’s an excellent candidate, the more so he ran for president.
  6. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 20 November 2019 08: 49
    0
    Danilyuk says to Windman: go to the ministers, go. And over Windman’s shoulder, Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy are repeating in their ears: don’t go, don’t go. And such a dry land.
  7. Rzzz
    Rzzz 20 November 2019 08: 49
    +1
    Degrades independent. That requested second-hand boats and hammers with armored personnel carriers. Now he is already asking for a second-hand lieutenant colonel. If only imported. On a used general see a penny Nem.
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 20 November 2019 08: 54
    +2
    And who and when the benefit was from newcomers ... even compatriots abroad?
    And from just aliens ... yes, they themselves ran away, as soon as they understood where they had managed to get involved!
    1. cniza
      cniza 20 November 2019 09: 16
      +3
      Oh, they still don’t know what they’ve already gotten into ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 November 2019 09: 25
        +1
        Quote: cniza
        Oh, they still don’t know what they’ve already gotten into ...

        To get involved in general, collectively, is one thing! Vlyapatsya personally, it is much more "fun" !!!
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 20 November 2019 09: 33
          +3
          Victor, welcome! soldier
          Quote: cniza
          they still don’t know what they’ve already got into

          Quote: rocket757
          Vlyapatsya personally, it is much more "fun" !!!

          Claw is bogged down - there is a chasm to the whole bird. wink
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 20 November 2019 11: 33
            +1
            hello Pasha soldier
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            Claw is bogged down - there is a chasm to the whole bird.

            Minke whales have an EXCELLENT excuse, which pulled them out from almost any woman ... MILITARY PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION !!! excuses for all excuses.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 20 November 2019 11: 37
              +3
              Quote: rocket757
              GUILTY PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION!

              I really hope that she will stop working. And you will have to answer yourself, not "translate arrows".
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 20 November 2019 11: 45
                +1
                Honestly, I have not seen a single "switchman" who is ready / willing to give up this "work"!
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 20 November 2019 11: 48
                  +4
                  To twist, because translate arrows - not toss bags of cement. But those who wish to answer with their own seat are not enough. yes
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 20 November 2019 12: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: bouncyhunter
                    But those who wish to answer with their own seat are not enough.

                    Ha, it is so own, it is close only to its body.
  9. Fedorov
    Fedorov 20 November 2019 08: 56
    +4
    Personally, I’m already on the drum, which regular donkey in Ukraine will row a vablo at a post. If they get it, I’ll just collect the monkeys and return home to Siberia. There may be enough problems, but the air is dear.
  10. Eug
    Eug 20 November 2019 08: 57
    0
    In every joke there is a grain of a joke ... It seems that there is one plus - he would have stolen less. Although, as practice shows, the "Varangians" - the heads of Ukrainian enterprises from the emerging opportunities and temptations go very quickly, they begin to steal even more and quickly shed with impunity and with the stolen.
  11. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 20 November 2019 08: 57
    -1
    ... they offered me some time, but I don’t have a tanker diploma .-)
  12. YOUR
    YOUR 20 November 2019 08: 59
    +2
    ... American officer: I was offered three times to become the Minister of Defense of Ukraine? .... He did not change his habits, as he was and remained, just Napoleon.
    1. dzvero
      dzvero 20 November 2019 09: 08
      +2
      Perhaps he thinks of a serious career in the US Army and does not want such a spot on his track record ... smile
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 20 November 2019 09: 19
        +1
        This is it in vain. A small example: Natulka Yaresko, was the head of the economic department at that time of the US Embassy in / in Ukraine. She became the Minister of Finance of Ukraine and almost a billionaire, owner of a heap of real estate and co-founder of a bunch of companies.
        1. dzvero
          dzvero 20 November 2019 09: 22
          0
          Then I don’t understand ... Has American conscience woken up from the American Jew of Ukrainian roots and does not want to participate in the further robbery of Ukraine?
  13. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 20 November 2019 09: 00
    0
    I did not take these statements seriously, but he (Danilyuk) was persistent. I was offered at least three times to take the post of Minister of Defense of Ukraine.
    This conversation between Danilyuk and Windman took place on the day when an American officer flew to Kiev for the inauguration ceremony of President Zelensky
    Well, if "their own" thinks the American lieutenant colonel is higher than the Ukrainian "three-star generals", then the state of the top commanding staff leaves much to be desired. But the main thing was found in the states of "their" Ukrainian Vindman, this is already a significant indicator.
  14. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 20 November 2019 09: 02
    +2
    Danilyuk at least three times suggested that the American officer think about the possibility of taking the post of head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense.

    And the American officer figured out from whom, in which case he would have to defend himself and with what forces, and said: ... (then follows untranslatable American folklore).
  15. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 20 November 2019 09: 11
    0
    Well, the topic is tricky .... various experts will stretch for it ... equipment and so on.
  16. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 20 November 2019 09: 13
    +1
    It's simple.
    As always, looking for freebies!
    Take a minister from America and immediately the Americans will rush to restore order from them, clean up the Donbass and take away the Crimea from Russia.
    And to a chubby chuvachka in an embroidered shirt and trousers they’ll bring it all on a little platter with a blue border, and they will definitely pay extra money!))
  17. cniza
    cniza 20 November 2019 09: 14
    +2
    This conversation between Danilyuk and Windman took place on the day when an American officer flew to Kiev for the inauguration ceremony of President Zelensky.


    And this territory wants to be called a state ...
  18. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 20 November 2019 09: 18
    0
    Independence is rushing from Independence. negative
    This officer is more like a nerd of some sort, or a muscular young lady wassat
    1. bk316
      bk316 20 November 2019 10: 48
      +1
      This officer is more like a nerd of some sort, or a muscular young lady

      Not at all. It was a combat officer who fought, was wounded.
      Well, what is the title, so for 404 just right.
      Although a master sergeant would have been enough for them.
  19. Berkut24
    Berkut24 20 November 2019 10: 39
    0
    Flea rootless yard dog is looking for a master.
  20. georggy
    georggy 20 November 2019 10: 57
    0
    What are the names of those who offered you this ................. yaw cardboard
  21. Avior
    Avior 20 November 2019 11: 41
    0
    Difficult lieutenant colonel, however.
    Alexander Semenovich Windman
    Director of European Affairs, US National Security Council
    Previously, he served as Advisor to Russia, head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
    He was a military attache in Moscow and Kiev.
    He received a master's degree from Harvard University.
    He was awarded the Order of the Purple Heart for his serious injury in Iraq.
    Two brothers are also officers, one of them also occupies a position in the American Security Council.
  22. Operator
    Operator 20 November 2019 12: 28
    +10
    That is, Monika Zelinsky stubbornly wanted to appoint Trump's ardent political opponent as Minister of Defense of the Outskirts bully
  23. Alexprint1.Aleksandr
    Alexprint1.Aleksandr 20 November 2019 14: 16
    0
    In Chukotka, the owner previously suggested that the guest sleep with his wife or daughter ...
  24. NF68
    NF68 20 November 2019 15: 58
    0
    It is unlikely that he could endure all this mess with skipping ropes and pans for a long time. It must be in the blood.
  25. Politruk-m
    Politruk-m 20 November 2019 16: 41
    +2
    Widmans, Valtsmans Zelensky .. Kiev will soon turn into Tel Aviv .. And they can’t plunder everything for 30 years ..
  26. NF68
    NF68 21 November 2019 16: 27
    0
    To begin with, learn to "bite" lard with choril.