Media: Russia removed from conservation and sent for modernization Tu-22М3

Russia removed from conservation and sent for modernization one long-range missile carrier Tu-22М3. It is reported by the American edition Military Watch.

The United States and Russia, along with the development of new strategic bombers, are continuing the modernization of those already in service, including removing planes from conservation. According to the publication, Russia removed one long-range Tu-22M3 missile carrier from storage at the Kamenny Ruchey base near Khabarovsk and sent it to the Kazan aircraft plant to undergo modernization to the level of Tu-22М3М. At the same time, the authors of the note note that they do not know whether it is the first one that was removed from conservation and how many planes Russia is preparing to remove from storage, and after the work is done, return to service.

The authors note that both Russia and the United States have a large number of mothballed aircraft in storage, and in the event of a threat of a military conflict, several squadrons of the whole can be put up. Both countries have preserved not only long-range bombers, but also fighters, interceptors, and military transport Aviation.

The publication notes that the modernized Tu-22М3 bomber will become the carrier of the dagger hypersonic anti-ship missiles. Thus, the aircraft will retain the role of “killer aircraft carriers” - but with qualitatively new capabilities.

On our behalf, we add that the Russian Ministry of Defense has not officially announced the removal of the Tu-22М3 bomber from conservation, but this is in the order of things: they will modernize - they will inform.

Recall that the Tupolev Design Bureau is working on the complete modernization of the Tu-22М3 bomber-rocket carrier to the level of the Tu-22М3М. The modernized aircraft made its first flight at the end of December last year.

As previously reported, during the modernization, the Tu-22М3М bomber receives new digital on-board radio electronics based on the Russian element base, new navigation and sighting equipment, communications equipment and electronic warfare. A new engine and fuel automation system is installed on the aircraft. Engines are being replaced with new NK-32-02 from Samara PJSC Kuznetsov. Significantly improved cab ergonomics. Many aircraft systems are unified with the Tu-160M. The new version of the aircraft can carry X-32 cruise missiles and hypersonic missiles.

This summer, data appeared that the upgraded Tu-22M3M was able to refuel in the air, increasing the combat radius (with refueling) to 8 thousand kilometers.

Comments

[seregatara1969]

economical approach

[cost]

a similar decision was made after it became known that the United States returned the B-52 bomber from its “airplane cemetery” in Arizona for further commissioning.
It is not yet clear exactly how many planes Russia plans to mothball, but it is believed that the country has enough equipment in reserve

[lwxx]

In any case, good news. Not everyone was allowed to plunder. But fried smells stronger and stronger.

[1976AG]

Quote: lwxx

In any case, good news. Not everyone was allowed to plunder. But the fried smell is stronger and stronger.

Exactly. And the declassification of the latest weapons is proof of this. There are no prerequisites that everything will settle down by itself, somewhere it will burn.

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Rich

a similar decision was made after it became known that

About how!
You were reported from the Moscow Region that this was the reason?

[Alex777]

IMHO upgrade after one such aircraft crash landed.

[loki565]

The plane is excellent, and after modernization will serve for a long time.

[Politruk-m]

Quote: loki565

The plane is excellent, and after modernization will serve for a long time.

Thank you for the video !!!! Such a colossus, and how frisky at low altitude .. Work for such a bird is enough in the oceans .. And then they built AUGs

[IL-18]

Quote: Politruk-M

built augs

Nice to see a familiar face. And familiar intonations

[Nycomed]

This is yes! Hehe

[bulvas]

Uhhh!

Class, thanks for the video!

[poquello]

Quote: Politruk-M

Quote: loki565

The plane is excellent, and after modernization will serve for a long time.

Thank you for the video !!!! Such a colossus, and how frisky at low altitude .. Work for such a bird is enough in the oceans .. And then they built AUGs

they squeal at speed, but a little slower is not heard at all, such a gentle sound

[Stalllker]

In maniacs)))

[militarist63]

The cow in the cargo compartment has already run out of feces !!!

[smart ass]

And if at such a height the bird gets?

[BLOND]

The engines are normal. Small birds in the dust

[IL-18]

Quote: Rich

the country has enough equipment in reserve

Question as a conservation. Given the fact that many aircraft went through this process in the 90s, when there was gouging against the background of a lack of funding with the search for any source of survival on the part of the performers.

[Piramidon]

Quote: IL-18

Quote: Rich

the country has enough equipment in reserve

Question as a conservation. Given the fact that many aircraft went through this process in the 90s, when there was gouging against the background of a lack of funding with the search for any source of survival on the part of the performers.

After a certain time, re-preservation is performed. Let's hope that better.

[niksfromru]

Quote: Piramidon

After a certain time, re-preservation is performed. Let's hope that better

Outsourcing firms Serdyukov?

[Souchastnik]

Outsourcing firms Serdyukov?

After mothballed it all the same to the factory. And there, on a full check and refinement. So everything will be fine.

[Runoway]

It is more interesting how many existing ones plan to upgrade to M3M? How much per year? And then climb into canned food

[Pravodel]

The upgrade solution is a good one.
But re-conservation of technology is a bad sign. The enemy is not asleep, the steam train needs to be opened up so that there is no 1941

[RUSS]

Quote: The Truth

The upgrade solution is a good one.
But re-conservation of technology is a bad sign. The enemy is not asleep, the steam train needs to be opened up so that there is no 1941

Who told you this crap? Where is this game from? With a zombie?

[Pytnik]

It has long been clear that things are moving towards war, only the date is not known ...

[RUSS]

Quote: Pytnik

It has long been clear that things are moving towards war, only the date is not known ...

What war? Who is going to fight with whom? In the courtyard of the 21st century, now wars will be without a single shot. Wars will be economic.

[Runoway]

I support, nobody needs the survived land, everyone needs resources, clean water and a market

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Tell Iraq and Libya. Scorched economies. In Libya, even the export of reclamation equipment is under sanctions.
Americans start wars for their own pleasure, and not from hunger or lack of resources. Well, they like to kill.

[mso.716]

For the sake of justice, war is being conceived just to solve the problems of the economy

[Starover_Z]

Russia removed from conservation and sent for modernization one long-range missile carrier Tu-22M3. It is reported by the American edition of Military Watch

So what ?! Take a look at yourself! -

Quote: Rich

a similar decision was made after it became known that the United States returned the B-52 bomber from its “airplane cemetery” in Arizona for further commissioning.

And you see, they spotted a speck! They don’t want to write anything about their own?

[okko077]

Old airplanes. which were produced before 1992, will be modernized in the amount of 30 pieces, if they find such a quantity from the still not collapsed. About 60 aircraft out of 170, which were in Russia, are in service. Of the 268 aircraft manufactured in general, some were destroyed in Ukraine, Belarus were transferred to Russia ... About 20 aircraft were lost in disasters ... It was planned to increase the life of these 30 aircraft up to 40 years ... This is already not enough ... It is not advisable to upgrade the aircraft of the early years of production ... The aircraft has a limited glider resource due to the high wing loading, or rather the rotary wing assembly .. It will not be repaired on modernized aircraft. In this regard, the Tu-95 and the B-52 is much more durable, they do not have such a collapsing node! The task of these aircraft to hold out until the start of serial production of PAK YES ... We have to modernize this non-resource aircraft from complete hopelessness ... The solution is dubious .. Moreover, the performance characteristics of this dinosaur are very beautiful and it is almost in the same class in radius and load with the Su-34, especially for the latter is full of new fuel-efficient engines ...

[Alexander I]

So it’s true, but at TUSHKA the speed is higher and most importantly the bomb load is a third higher

[Lozovik]

Quote: okko077

The aircraft has a limited glider life due to the high wing loading, or rather the rotary wing assembly.

I raise the same question: what is the assigned resource of this aircraft?

Quote: okko077

In this regard, the Tu-95 and B-52 are much more durable, they do not have such a collapsing unit!

Have you solved the problem with the AV-60T yet?

Quote: okko077

Moreover, the performance characteristics of this dinosaur are very beautiful and it is almost in the same class in terms of radius and load with the Su-34

Compare the tactical radius of the Tu-22M3 with 33 FAB-250 and Su-34 with the same load.

[okko077]

Assigned resource for about 30 years.
I did not say anything about engines and screws, this is a separate issue ..
For Tu-22M3 ________________________ Su-34
Weight:
empty aircraft: 68 000 kg ______________ curb (with a loaded gun and
_____________________________________ by the crew): 22 500 kg
normal takeoff: 112 kg _________ normal takeoff: 000 kg
maximum takeoff: 126 kg ________ maximum takeoff: 000 kg
fuel: 53 kg _____________________ fuel: 550 kg
Combat radius with a load of 12 kg ________ Combat radius
__________________ 1500-1800 km __________1100 km

The Tu-22M3 is simply a kerosene fighter and there are no aerodynamic parameters, a small loaded wing and with a rotary assembly, a long fuselage that does not carry it.

[Lozovik]

Quote: okko077

Assigned resource for about 30 years.

And in the watch?

Quote: okko077

Combat radius with a load of 12 kg ________ Combat radius
__________________ 1500-1800 km __________1100 km

Combat radius? I do not know such a term. The numbers are also mildly incorrect.

Quote: okko077

Tu-22M3 is simply a kerosene fighter and there are no aerodynamic parameters

The aerodynamic quality of the Tu-22M3 is much higher. And if on the Su-34 hang BDshki with a load ...

[Zaurbek]

The only possible one. There is no production of heavy bombers yet. We need everything that can fly and carry KR

[Kamchatsky]

Good and necessary thing!

[Victoria-V]

Why invent and produce new aircraft if you can upgrade canned aircraft in storage. A wise decision.

[Kurare]

Quote: Victoria-In

Why invent and produce new planes if you can upgrade canned planes ...

And then, so as not to stand still! Modernization in itself, and new cars are no less important! In addition, sometimes modernization can reach the cost of a new one, i.e. The game is not worth the candle. But with the Tu-22M3 (M) it’s very much worth it.

[Victoria-V]

Just as aircraft carriers have been abandoned, so it is necessary to give up new aircraft too. Better to increase the production of Dagger hypersonic missiles and the like.

[Kurare]

Quote: Victoria-In

As they abandoned the aircraft carriers, so it is necessary to abandon the new aircraft.

"Horses, people mixed up in a heap ..." Russia, in principle, is a land power. Aircraft carriers might not hurt her (this is generally a separate topic and very controversial), but without them it is not critical. But to give up new aircraft means to lag behind in many positions.

[Victoria-V]

Russia, in principle, a land power-has not read such nonsense yet !!!

[Kurare]

Quote: Victoria-In

Russia, in principle, a land power-has not read such nonsense yet !!!

From a military point of view, this is exactly so. But do not be rude!

[Victoria-V]

Sorry, I didn’t think of being rude. You just wrote a clear nonsense.

[Kurare]

Read above, "from a military point of view." This, of course, does not mean that Russia does not need a strong navy.

[cost]

Kurare: Russia, in principle, is a land power

In what such principle? There are clear military definitions. So, according to them, Russia has the following status: "The Russian Federation is a continental maritime power with nuclear weapons with a center of power not on the seashore."

for comparison: the length of the naval power of Great Britain possessing nuclear weapons is 12 thousand 429 km.

[Kurare]

They compared Russia, 1/6 of the land, with the island.
Of course, Russia has a large length of maritime borders. But, unlike island states like the United Kingdom, or with a special location like the United States (washed by oceans on both sides), Russia has a very unfavorable location with regard to the fleet. That is why, from a military point of view, the emphasis is on land forces.

[Zaurbek]

Well, Crimea has already been occupied a couple of times, landed in Murmansk. Yes, and in the Far East there are not so many forces to repel a landing ..... and there may also be sea blockades of ports, etc.

[Honest Citizen]

Just as aircraft carriers have been abandoned, so it is necessary to give up new aircraft too. Better to increase the production of Dagger hypersonic missiles and the like.

Once the S-75 seemed the height of perfection. According to your logic, there was no need to develop new air defense systems, build new aircraft, but why? Upgrades the "maize" or, in general, on the airship.
Do not write without thinking. New weapons, including missile carriers, are simply necessary.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

How abandoned aircraft carriers

This is when Russia abandoned the aircraft carriers ?!

[Victoria-V]

It will take at least 10 years to build a new Russian aircraft carrier, and such a ship may appear in Russia no earlier than 2030-2035.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

So, where is this proposal something about the fact that Russia abandoned the aircraft carriers ?!

[Victoria-V]

No, I didn’t refuse! At the Far Eastern shipyard Zvezda, work is in full swing.

[Valdaev]

there will be no aircraft carrier, there will be!

[Runoway]

This is when Russia abandoned the aircraft carriers ?!

When the last PD-50 was drowned and now they’re not going to raise it for a year
Soon there is news about the new super aircraft carrier of Russia on VO?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Poorly follow the news.

The PD-50 is going to be lifted and a new dock is already being built in its place.

[Runoway]

Key "Gather"
One year later!!!

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The key is

already building a new dock.

[Nycomed]

Always, and Russia has never had them, and whether they will be is a big question.

[mso.716]

Refuse it when you can but don’t want to .. And when you can’t, it’s another bit

[Piramidon]

Quote: Kurare

Modernization in itself, and new cars are no less important!

When limiting funds and time, choose the least expensive option. Considering how much time and money is now spent on the development and adoption of new equipment, modernization is the way out. We are not the only ones doing this. VO is full of articles on the modernization of military equipment in various, including rich, countries.

[Kurare]

Quote: Piramidon

We are not the only ones doing this.

It’s wonderful that Russia does this. In the USSR, unfortunately, little attention was paid to sensible modernization.

[Souchastnik]

and new cars are just as important!

There are no new ones. And to resume the production of Tu-22 is like organizing the production of new aircraft. Therefore, new equipment is put on the old glider, it’s cheaper for anyone.

[seregin-s1]

Everything that flies today has its own standard weapons. Why break a bomber or missile carrier in order to remake it under the "Dagger"? Absolutely correct decision. Upgrade from conservation.

[Dali]

Quote: seregin-s1

Upgrade from conservation.

100%
Fighting, working Tu-22M3, let them work ... and let Tu-22M3M be added to them, but when the canned food is over, then the existing ones can be set up and upgraded to a type-type Tu-22M4M !!!

[Zaurbek]

It’s easier to do something more with modern achievements than Su34. In the sense of the distant.

[Honest Citizen]

Why invent and produce new aircraft if you can upgrade canned aircraft in storage.

Yes, at least for what to invent, release - this is a forward movement. Big move forward.
This is science, and new materials, and new industries.
You look now more closely at the Russian Federation - the country is turning into a service sector. Not every city has a defense industry, but people need to work. Who will be the consumer of these your services if there will be 1% of officials and 5% of employees.
Well, it’s excusable to you ....

[Victoria-V]

Well, now there are 2 million officials. No matter how 1%.

[Honest Citizen]

What difference does 1 or 2% of officials have? I am saying that new jobs in industry are needed, in science, it is necessary to engage in development and production.
And you, from everything written by 1% of officials, saw ...

[Victoria-V]

A small lie gives rise to great distrust.

[Honest Citizen]

If you CAREFULLY read a post in which I mentioned officials, and I will quote you:

Who will a consumer of your services, if there will be 1% of officials and 5% of employees.

Of course, you did not pay attention to the word "will".
And most likely you just did not understand what was at stake. Apparently you are standing both from science and from real production, about as far away as Moscow from Beijing.
Therefore, I ask you, do not write more like this:

Why invent and produce new aircraft if you can upgrade canned aircraft in storage. A wise decision.

And you don’t need to write like that either:

As they abandoned the aircraft carriers, so it is necessary to abandon the new aircraft.

[Victoria-V]

If all this cannot be written or is not necessary, please specifically write what I can write.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Do not carry nonsense, about 2 million officials.

Both civil servants and law enforcement officers belong to the category of civil servants in Russia, only they are not officials at the same time.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Why invent and produce new aircraft if you can upgrade canned aircraft in storage.

And why did you decide that they do not invent and do not make new planes in Russia ?!

In Russia, work is underway on the PAK-DA project, which will replace both the Tu-160 and Tu-95 and Tu-22.

Do not whine, citizen troll.

[Victoria-V]

Well, Yuri Borisov said that the PAK-DA project will be postponed. Keep track of product 80, do not call names. At the same time, read about the reason for the suspension.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

According to the PAK DA project, in August 2019, technical requirements were approved and preparatory design stages began.

Where and when did Borisov rock, that the project was postponed?

[Victoria-V]

Google this paragraph: However, in 2015, the idea of ​​resuming Tu-160M2 production was accelerated and the PAK DA program was postponed to a later date. Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov said that because of the Tu-160M2 program, the PAK DA project “will be somewhat delayed.” Better yet, read an article by Vladimir Tuchkov: https://warfiles.ru/181634-grustnaya-sudba-stratega-rossiyskiy-pak-da-zavis-mezhdu-nebom-i-zemley.html

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Give me a link where it says that Borisov said that the PAK-DA project will be postponed.

[Valdaev]

PAK-YES will not, regardless of who said what or will say. Gut is thin

[Victoria-V]

http://foto-i-mir.ru/2018/02/09/10-02-2018-2/

[Kerensky]

In the movie to shoot. One is not enough. To it the car of spare parts is necessary.

[Yaro Polk]

It’s time to get, re-preserve and modernize everything .. until it’s too late.

[1976AG]

Quote: Yaro Polk

It’s time to get, re-preserve and modernize everything .. until it’s too late.

Is there any power for this? Look at the pace of modernization - tears ...

[Masha]

Quote: 1976AG

Look at the pace of modernization - tears ...

cry ... you stare less ....

[1976AG]

I had a better opinion of you (

[Masha]

Quote: 1976AG

I had a better opinion of you (

excuse me... write off the ladies inconstancy ....
but essentially ....
be ready! always ready! a rolling stone gathers no moss"
work, work and work ... as the great Lenin bequeathed!

[G. Georgiev]

Fine ! But why not, several X-101s instead of 1 pc. Dagger.

[K-612-O]

He will have a dagger 2

[1976AG]

Quote: K-612-O

He will have a dagger 2

until 4 said

[Sergey39]

,, Russia and the United States have a large number of mothballed aircraft in storage, and in the event of a threat of a military conflict, they can deploy several squadrons of a full complement. "
Once removed from conservation - it means they are preparing for war.

[Pavel57]

"If you want peace, prepare for war."

[Sergey39]

Well, this expression is everyday, for war you have to be shitty all the time. But when they begin to remove equipment from conservation, both here and there, it smells like real fights, not imagined ones.

[Pavel57]

Americans regularly take off preservation - they check all the processes of putting aircraft into operation.

[Berkut24]

One more unexpected person. And more - no less.

[faridg7]

Well, and in 97 here in Knevichi there were already 5 of them cut right at the factory.

[av58]

Bad sign.

[Kurare]

Well, why? The aircraft was in storage, it is not known how much. If you do not upgrade it, then the next step is to scrape it or somewhere on a pedestal.
The Syrian company seems to have given a decent push for the modernization of technology. And the US exit from the DRSM also made it possible to install it on the 22nd refueling system.

[av58]

The withdrawal of equipment from conservation, if it is not planned, usually indicates growing tension, and preparation for war.

[Kurare]

The fact of the matter is that Tu-shku was not just removed from conservation, but sent for modernization.
And so, I would absolutely agree with you: withdrawal from preservation is a very alarming signal!

[av58]

It would be strange if they were put back into operation without modernization.

[Kurare]

Quote: av58

It would be strange if they were put back into operation without modernization.

In the event of preparation for war, they "blew off the dust"; checked all the systems, flew around and that's it, no modernization. As it is, such a car would have gone into battle.

[Military Builder]

such a layout is suitable for PPSh or T-34, but not for a strategic bomber, it’s a very expensive toy

[Kurare]

Quote: War Builder

but no way for a strategic bomber, it’s a painfully expensive toy

Well, firstly, the Tu-22M3 is not a strategist, but a long-range bomber. And secondly - during full war expensive toys do not exist. Either it's a combat unit, or just a scrap.

[Astra wild]

And it seems to me that this is for prevention: so that some who do not want to repeat June 22

[Zaurbek]

Well replenish as it is necessary to the park YES .... then there are no new aircraft. Tu95 are not getting younger.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: av58

The withdrawal of equipment from conservation, if it is not planned, usually indicates growing tension, and preparation for war.

In the Russian Federation, the withdrawal of equipment from mothballing only indicates that the Moscow Region had money and got their hands on it. We have removed the equipment from conservation and sent it to factories since the time of the furniture maker - remember the same T-72B3 (de-tinned, unfilled and modernized T-72B from storage). At the same time, the Air Force began to return BTA aircraft to the system, which had been in jokes since the 90s.

[Souchastnik]

Conclusion of equipment from conservation, if it is not planned ...

Sorry. Can you tell us more about the "planned" withdrawal from conservation? I thought - only as a last resort.

[Thrifty]

And there’s nowhere to preserve Tu160 air regiment for an hour now ???

[Vkd dvk]

Vicki writes that TU22M3 produced 268 units. Of course, today there are fewer living and ready for modernization. But.....

[1976AG]

Quote: wkd dvk

Vicki writes that TU22M3 produced 268 units. Of course, today there are fewer living and ready for modernization. But.....

The same vetch writes that it is planned to upgrade up to 30 aircraft. I did not see other information. And taking into account that the new equipment for them has not yet passed all the tests, then there is no reason to hope for a radical improvement in the situation.

[Pavel57]

Very reasonable. although our custody is not in Arizona.

[rocket757]

With the appropriate navy, we will have a tight, okay, air counter fleet, which, with the proper approach, is quite effective.

[1976AG]

Quote: rocket757

With the appropriate navy, we will have a tight, okay, air counter fleet, which, with the proper approach, is quite effective.

Why are you so limited in its scope? It is much wider.

[rocket757]

What do we have all about oh and oh? Certainly not at the expense of the attack by ear. All scare AUG and other waterfowl.
The plane can "work" both there and there, no question. Download the appropriate one and go.

[Lone gunman]

It is strange that some Military Watch knows, but the enlightened Russians are neither sleep nor spirit ... again someone sold out, but oh well, he's not "iron" Putin ... oh, Felix, but ... what's the difference.

[vladcub]

It’s quite reasonable. The plane itself is good, but the electronics are outdated and the engine is at the very least, but modernized.
Another thing is interesting to me: "new digital onboard radio electronics on the Russian element base" How Russian is this base and how modern is it? Very often in the media and on the site it was about this, it flashes that our electronics are based on a Chinese base, and the Chinese is not yet a guarantee that it is ideal (after all, an export version). Perhaps someone in the know?

[Karen]

Quote: vladcub

Perhaps someone in the know?

About 15 years ago I read with the developers that for displays they mainly require emphasis on low power consumption ... What was next - I don’t know ...

[vladcub]

In fact, the reduction in energy consumption then and now is two big differences. Now only on LEDs alone can lighten weight and reduce energy consumption

[at84432384]

When that generation of aircraft was designed, all onboard electronics were vacuum. With all its advantages and disadvantages. Information display facilities are electromechanical. In addition to its large dimensions, that electronics also has a large mass, both its own and switching connections. There are several tons of copper (and silver) wires alone in a bomber. If all this is stupid to replace with modern solid-state electronics (where possible, of course). then the weight distribution of the aircraft will change. What it is fraught with is clear to everyone. This means that there will be only partial and cosmetic replacements. They will probably replace the dashboard in the cockpit (to show the Minister of Defense what the colossal money went for), etc. etc. But this, maybe even good, then everything was done soundly and conscientiously, and for the replacement of components there was real criminal liability, starting from the military representative to the director of the plant. You can forget about your element base. Something is simply not being done anymore, and the public procurement law does not allow buying the best, but only the cheapest and is constantly violated in terms of preference for domestic products. Everything is ruined by irresponsibility and corruption in the best traditions of cave capitalism. As for the Chinese element base, household series are not suitable for military use, and they will never sell the "military" class.

[vladcub]

It is unlikely that only the dashboard will be replaced. There are aiming tools and a whole bunch. Specifically under the heading "for official use"

[at84432384]

I don’t touch weapons, only the plane itself. Replacing weapons, of course, will inevitably entail the installation and the necessary control complex.

[vladcub]

Naturally, the glider will be the same, but the "filling" will change. Even if they decide to replace only the radar, they will have to deal with wiring: then there were completely different sizes and fasteners were also different

[at84432384]

Replace radar, read create a new one. Is there such an enterprise now? The overwhelming majority of military research institutes and factories have already been "privatized" and simply disappeared ...

[vladcub]

There is still, otherwise there was nothing to install on the Su-30 or on the Borei. There was a lot of information on the site: "instead of a system, such and such a system is installed" or, something like that. It's just that the names say absolutely nothing to us, and these are completely new systems and created after 2007.

[at84432384]

Well, this is a different class of equipment, it's about like an air-to-air missile and ICBMs.

[Nycomed]

Well, of course, but why only one?

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: 1976AG

Quote: wkd dvk

Vicki writes that TU22M3 produced 268 units. Of course, today there are fewer living and ready for modernization. But.....

The same vetch writes that it is planned to upgrade up to 30 aircraft. I did not see other information. And taking into account that the new equipment for them has not yet passed all the tests, then there is no reason to hope for a radical improvement in the situation.

You're not right. It is fundamentally not fundamentally dependent on the volume of changes. Timing is yes, the time for completion of tests and improvements according to the test results will be pulled to the right. But this is not connected with the quality of innovations.

[Old26]

Quote: Runoway

It is more interesting how many existing ones plan to upgrade to M3M? How much per year? And then climb into canned food

Well, if sclerosis does not fail me a couple of years ago, it was announced that modernization to the level of TU-22M3M was just over 30 aircraft. Like about 30 TU-95MSM plan to upgrade to the level of TU-95MSM

Quote: Victoria-In

Why invent and produce new aircraft if you can upgrade canned aircraft in storage. A wise decision.

Rather, a forced decision. No matter how good the planes are, they are cars of the 80s (according to ideology and design decisions)

Quote: Victoria-In

Just as aircraft carriers have been abandoned, so it is necessary to give up new aircraft too. Better to increase the production of Dagger hypersonic missiles and the like.

Actually, to be absolutely precise, the Dagger hypersonic missiles do not exist. Although this name is used by everyone. There is a hypersonic complex "Dagger" 9-S-7760, consisting of a MIG-31K carrier aircraft and an air-based tactical missile 9-A-7660.
If there is such a hypersonic missile on the TU-22M3M, then the complex will hardly be called a "Dagger". Still, "Dagger" is a missile and a MiG-31B

Quote: G. Georgiev

Fine ! But why not, several X-101s instead of 1 pc. Dagger.

The standard Kh-22 is unlikely to fit on the TU-3M101M. As far as is known, a shortened rocket is being developed for the TU-22M3M, the so-called. "product 715" or 9-A-5150 (it seems that the indices were not mistaken)
X-101 has its own pluses (flight range), but its minuses are subsonic speed.
The complex with the missile, which everyone calls "Dagger", is planned to be installed on the TU-22M3M. But when and how many will be on the plane is still unknown ...

Quote: K-612-O

He will have a dagger 2

No one knows how much will be. Maybe 2, or maybe 3. Four is unlikely. The guys who served on these machines here on Vaud explained why not 4

[voyaka uh]

"Whatever good planes they are, but these are the machines of the 80s" ////
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And not 60?

Airplane with variable wing sweep. Sophisticated mechanics.
On conservation, have all the mechanisms become worthless?

[bober1982]

Quote: voyaka uh

Sophisticated mechanics.
On conservation, have all the mechanisms become worthless?

Not as difficult as it seems, and there was a minimum of failures in rearranging the wing on any aircraft with variable geometry.

[bober1982]

Quote: voyaka uh

And not 60?

The Tu-22 is a machine dating back to the 50s, then the Tu-22m, Tu-22M2 modifications were subsequently sequentially, and it was in the 80s of the Tu-22M3 that the aircraft turned out to be very successful, largely thanks to its predecessors.

[IL-18]

Quote: bober1982

Tu-22 - a car of the 50s, then sequentially modifications of the Tu-22m, Tu-22M2, and it was in the 80s that the Tu-22M3

In addition to the inscription T-22, they only have a radius in common, i.e. cars are very different. Although, if you canned M, M2, then you can also get good carriers of something useful for partners from them.

[bober1982]

Quote: IL-18

Although, if you canned M, M2

Who will store them, who needs them, these are ancient planes, by the way the Tu-22M very much resembles the old Tu-22, and you are going to adapt it to a modern carrier.

Quote: IL-18

In addition to the inscription T-22 they have in common

This is not the point, but the fact that - if there were no Tu-22, then the Tu-22M3 would not have worked, the "Ogre" gained all the bloody experience.

[IL-18]

I agree with you. Only for such a large-scale modernization, if the board is in good condition, then, in my amateurish opinion, what figure after M is not very important.

[bober1982]

Quote: IL-18

which figure after M is not very important

Tu-22M2 and Tu-22M3 are different planes.
Tu-22M3 is a perfect modification of the entire range of Tu-22

[Whowhy]

Oh, it would be someone else to fly on them ....

[QweSteR]

why can’t you name the M4?

[Old26]

Quote: Lone gunman

It is strange that some Military Watch knows, but the enlightened Russians are neither sleep nor spirit ... again someone sold out, but oh well, he's not "iron" Putin ... oh, Felix, but ... what's the difference.

And this has always been. And during the Soviet Union. Then in libraries one could find the Swiss magazine Interavia and the British Space Flight / Space Flights. And they always had something about Soviet technology that was not available to us. You can imagine the shock from Interavia magazine in 1980, when it contains several pages of the quantitative composition of the world's aviation. And including the aviation of the USSR.
And such publications do not at all mean that someone has sold out. The same reference books "Jane" published from the late 19th - early 20th centuries have always relied on open sources. But on the other hand, they published what no one had ever said to us, the "enlightened". For example, a list of ships of a certain type. We have only heard such names - and they have everything laid out on the shelves. But nobody was on sale.
Why are there Swiss, British or Shatatov publications. Our "brothers" in the socialist camp published what we did not know and we have never published. The same GDRs, Poles or Czechs

Quote: Kurare

And the US exit from the DRSM also made it possible to install it on the 22nd refueling system.

Refueling systems were banned not under the INF Treaty, but under the SALT-2 Treaty. In fact, we are now "hammering" on the main provisions of the treaties that formed the basis for the reduction.

[Sergej1972]

The funny thing is that often Bulgarian, East German, Polish and Czechoslovak magazines with information that were not in our media were freely sold in kiosks. And there was also a magazine "in Russian," Socialist Romania Today, which sometimes criticized a number of foreign policy actions of the USSR, and it was also quite accessible.

[Lozovik]

Quote: Old26

Refueling systems were banned not under the INF Treaty, but under the SALT-2 Treaty. In fact, we are now "hammering" on the main provisions of the treaties that formed the basis for the reduction.

Our foreign comrades at one time a little incorrectly (possibly on purpose) estimated the Tu-22M2 range at 10000-12000 km instead of the real 5000. Another thing is that we no longer have tankers for booms with GPT-1.

[pv1005]

Quote: Victoria-In

Just as aircraft carriers have been abandoned, so it is necessary to give up new aircraft too. Better to increase the production of Dagger hypersonic missiles and the like.

Once already refused. It didn’t give anything good.

[Alexander VOZOVIK]

I didn’t know that we had a lot of airplanes on conservation, it’s good!

[glasha3032]

This aircraft removed from preservation is most likely to be modified to M3M as a model (well, not to take it from the parts!), And already starting from the results, completion of other machines will begin ....

[Region-25.rus]

"Stone brook" ... how much in this sound is intertwined for my heart)))) Harsh land.
Only when I was M2 modification were in service

[abc_alex]

The engines are being replaced with new NK-32-02 engines from the Samara PJSC Kuznetsov.

Is that for sure? Or did the author of the article dream? To be exact, this is an event.

[Old26]

Quote: voyaka uh

And not 60?

TU-22M3 - they are still EMNIP of the 80s. After all, TU-22M0, TU-22M1 and TU-22M2 have long been gone ...

Quote: Sergej1972

The funny thing is that often Bulgarian, East German, Polish and Czechoslovak magazines with information that were not in our media were freely sold in kiosks. And there was also a magazine "in Russian," Socialist Romania Today, which sometimes criticized a number of foreign policy actions of the USSR, and it was also quite accessible.

I don't remember at the kiosks (except for "Socialist Romania Today" and "Korea"). But in bookstores (almost all) there were departments of foreign literature. There, yes, a lot could be found. And sometimes in libraries too

[vladcub]

At the kiosks I saw: "Korea", no one took it, and the Polish "Ugly" woman was instantly dismantled by women. I have never seen GDR magazines, but I saw Bulgarian editions in a bookstore

[Yuriy Malyshko]

Tu-22M3 will become distant when air refueling systems are returned to them. In the meantime, by modern standards, he is neither one nor the other.

[BLOND]

However, a very curious situation is taking place in the camp of our "partners", where at the end of May 2019, the US authorities decided to restore from the Boneyard aviation storage base, Davis Montan airbase, Arizona, a B-52H strategic bomber, in the amount of one unit as a replacement for a similar bomber that has failed!

It would seem that there’s such a thing - well, that’s changed well, that's all - but no, it’s not so simple here!

The fact is that according to the terms of the strategic offensive arms reduction treaty (the treaty on reducing offensive weapons), the United States was obliged to completely disable the negotiated equipment, among which these bombers were designated - without the possibility of restoring its strike potential as a carrier of nuclear weapons.

[nnz226]

Why only ONE plane ??? No more money ?! There is safety in numbers! Time is tense and the upgraded Tu-22 oh, as needed!

[lukewarm]

TK "Zvezda" this morning in the news through the mouth of Alexei Samoletov denied. They say there is nothing in storage, they were cut under the leadership of the Americans at one time. He just said so.

[Aleks1973]

Quote: unwillingly

TK "Zvezda" this morning in the news through the mouth of Alexei Samoletov denied. They say there is nothing in storage, they were cut under the leadership of the Americans at one time. He just said so.

Bullshit .... In storage for more than 70 Tu-22m3 ... You can see that they were confused with the Ukrainians, we did not cut the planes under the leadership of the Americans!