An industrial miracle in the USSR of the 1920-30's

The current economic model in the world is such that as soon as the crisis begins to manifest itself in the American economy, a negative wave immediately spreads over the financial and economic space of almost the entire planet. Mortgage or insurance crises in the USA - immediately the stock market crash begins, shares of companies from Singapore and Shanghai to Frankfurt and London go to the red sector (fall sector).

But this was, of course, not always. One example is the American Depression (Great Depression) of the 1920-30's, when millions of Americans lost their jobs, companies went bankrupt one after another, production fell. But at that very moment, the USSR economy showed such growth rates that China and India, taken together, could envy today. One of the reasons for the Soviet economic boom is Soviet industrialization, which, as it turned out, is usually relegated to the media in the media - for countless reports and reports on “tyranny” and the repressive machine.

Talking about the time period of 20-30's on the Day TV channel, Nikolai Sapelkin notes that to this day there is a frankly erroneous opinion that Stalin had already concentrated all power in his hands. Sapelkin recalls the existence of an executive body - the Soviet government - the Council of People's Commissars, whose chairman at that time was Rykov. Therefore, it was a powerful work of a powerful team of business executives, in which the role of Joseph Stalin was, of course, one of the most significant.

In just a few years, the country turned into a powerful industrial giant, and this factor was not the last in the victory over Nazi Germany in 1945. Stalin's industrialization has become a real miracle, which might not have happened.

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[Amateur]

We are 50-100 years behind advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they crush us.
This is what our obligations to the workers and peasants of the USSR dictate to us.

Stalin I.V.
On the tasks of business executives. Speech at the First All-Union Conference of Workers of Socialist Industry
4 February 1931 city

[Svarog]

In just a few years, the country turned into a powerful industrial giant, and this factor was not the last in the victory over Nazi Germany in 1945. Stalin's industrialization has become a real miracle, which might not have happened.

We now have all the opportunities for such a breakthrough, now there are even more of them (opportunities) .. a lot more .. But for this we need a leader in the country, corresponding to I.V. To Stalin.

[URAL72]

Well yes. Good king and magic wand, somewhere I already heard it. What did he do for the country, not for himself? More king?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: URAL72

What did he do for the country, not for himself?

He is not a king, to do more king. If in my post, in my post I did what I should, then this is already more than what our leader did.

[vladimirZ]

One of the reasons for the Soviet economic boom is Soviet industrialization, - from an article

I.V. Stalin played a crucial role in the life of the USSR, but the main thing all the same was that there was a socialist state, a planned national economy, a communist ideology of social justice for the whole people, which ensured the successful socialist construction of the Soviet Union and the growth of its economy under the leadership of the Communist Party.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

If in his post, in his post he did what he should

I sometimes hear that they say “I know for sure, I work there, there is propaganda on TV, but in fact ...” At the same time, I always have a question - if you work there, then this is your problem, not the president?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Dart2027

Moreover, I always have a question - if you work there, then this is your problem, not the president?

What does it mean - my problem? :))) Every person can do something in life, tend to something. And if I like the work and it works well, then I mean - in my place. And what kind of problem can I have here? :)))
But the trouble is - the same applies to the President of the Russian Federation .... But to say that he is getting his job is a big sin against the truth. I do not argue with the fact that Putin has achievements, but on the whole he failed to solve a number of the country's most important problems and greatly aggravated the existing ones, which does not allow us to consider his "kingdom" successful.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

What does it mean - my problem?

Quote: Dart2027

if you work therethen this is your problem, not the president

If you listen to some, then the president, or at least the minister of defense, must personally mount the pipes on the ships under construction.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Dart2027

If you listen to some, then the president, or at least the minister of defense, must personally mount the pipes on the ships under construction.

If you listen to a little more reasonable people, then the president should not have repeated the one-party system of the CPSU in the guise of United Russia and should have put in control the economy of people who are capable of doing this. The USSR went to stagnation for several decades, Putin went this way in just a decade.
And I assure you, it is not necessary to have 7 spans in the forehead in order to understand that the Central Bank cannot be managed by a person who has not worked a day before. And that the Ministry of Economic Development cannot be headed by a person who has not left the manufacturing sector, but from the banking structure.
The president, like any manager, does not have to be a pro at everything and do everything for everyone, this is impossible. The president must understand the people and form a pro team that will do everything that is needed. Putin could not

[Dart2027]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

then the president should not repeat the one-party system of the CPSU in the face of United Russia

Yes, it’s a moot point. I generally do not believe that in any countries there can be real, and not in public, rival parties. Just because in this case they will only spend their energy squabbling with each other. In the USA, only the country that they bomb and that’s all can change from a change of presidents.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

The USSR went to stagnation for several decades

But as Stalin died, a gradual collapse began.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

The president must understand the people and form a pro team that will do everything that is needed.

We have problems with the pros, because any appointment at the ministry level is politics ..

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Dart2027

Yes, it’s a moot point. I generally do not believe that in any countries there can be real, and not in public, rival parties.

However, this is a reality.

Quote: Dart2027

Just because in this case they will only spend their energy squabbling with each other.

So they spend :))) At the same time, each party sleeps and sees how to sit the other and put their appointees in any state / municipal post. And this creates a dirty, dishonest competition, in which the one who is better does not always win.
But in one-party, everything turns out even worse.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

However, this is a reality.

Yes, how to say. I don’t remember something, that after the next election, something would change somewhere, in fact, as I already wrote

Quote: Dart2027

In the USA, only the country that they bomb and that’s all can change from a change of presidents.

and this can be attributed to any other country.

[knn54]

Oleg, "I took Russia with a plow, but left with an atomic bomb."
Or (translation inaccuracy?) - with a nuclear reactor.

[illi]

Why do we need a king and a magic wand. Enough for the Secretary General))

[Alexander Ra]

Quote: Svarog

We still have all the possibilities for such a breakthrough, now there are even more of them (opportunities) .. a lot more

Unfortunately, less. Compare the work ethic of a peasant country (early 20th century) and today's, blurred by permissible parasitism and hedonism, "I'll break it alone." This is more important than anything else. What can raise her, ethics, to the same strength for a jerk? Not all of them have visited Turkey yet, have not eaten comfort. Mirages of European brilliance will blind our eyes for a long time, until we begin to save our strength for self-reinforcement, and not scatter them on prestige and pleasure.

[APES]

became a real miracle to

There are no miracles. They helped develop the industry of the USSR, helped Germany. Then they pushed their foreheads to stay with one bloodless enemy ...

[raw174]

Quote: APES

became a real miracle to

There are no miracles. They helped develop the industry of the USSR, helped Germany. Then they pushed their foreheads to stay with one bloodless enemy ...

And who helped? Anunaki?

[APES]

Who

Stalingrad Tank Plant, if interested, find out how it came about. As an example ....

[raw174]

Quote: APES

Who

Stalingrad tank factory, if interested, find out how it came about. As an example ....

Well, enlighten ... For example, our ChTZ was built according to the technology purchased in Detroit by American engineers and produced exact copies of American tractors, the same with MMK and ChelPipe ... But no one helped the advice, everything was generously paid for in gold, just business. Or do you personally, buying a meat grinder in the store, think that the owner of that electronics store feeds you and your family of cutlets?

[Svarog]

Quote: APES

Helped to develop the industry of the USSR,

What a naive comment .... USA helped .. To whom exactly did these gopniks help for free? It’s not help to call it and Ravil’s rights is a business .. but the industry and the breakthrough of the USSR were provided precisely by Stalin and the peoples of the USSR

[APES]

What naive

Fools also paid Gopnik, because they themselves could not. And you are so smart - why are you so poor, but a fuss?

[Svarog]

Quote: APES

why are you such a beggar, but a scandal?

They made fun ... I’m a beggar .. I’ll buy you, sell you, and then I’ll buy you again

[APES]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: APES

why are you such a beggar, but a scandal?

They made fun ... I’m a beggar .. I’ll buy you, sell you, and then I’ll buy you again

Flag in hand, spend your savings usefully :)))) + 7 (963) 722 27 82

[Svarog]

Quote: APES

Flag in hand, spend your savings usefully :)))) + 7 (963) 722 27 82

Unfortunately, you are an asset, not a liquid .. and there is no need to buy you ..

[APES]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: APES

Flag in hand, spend your savings usefully :)))) + 7 (963) 722 27 82

Unfortunately, you are an asset, not a liquid .. and there is no need to buy you ..

Fortunately, you, as a backdrop, are not at all interesting to me ...

[raw174]

Quote: APES

Fools also paid Gopnik, because they themselves could not.

How do you yourself? Have to buy something? Or do you make EVERYTHING yourself at home? Or are parents still providing? Normal practice, no one, bought from someone and used ...

[APES]

How do you yourself?

Get lost :)))

[ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH]

Thanks to the American engineers and industrialists who rebuilt the Soviet industrial miracle in the USSR of the 1920-30s !!! Glory to the Soviet prisoners who unselfishly worked on the construction sites of socialism!
The Stalingrad Tractor (Tank) Plant was entirely built in the USA, then dismantled and transported to the USSR on ships.
The famous Dneproges was built by the American company Cooper Engineering Company and the German company Siemens
Gorky Automobile Plant (GAZ) was built by the American company Austin.
AZLK - built by Ford engineers
Magnitogorsk is an exact copy of a steel plant in Indiana.
Albert Kahn Inc alone designed and built 500 Soviet enterprises!
In just 10 years, the Americans built in the USSR nearly 1500 factories!
200 American engineers and technicians came to the USSR and built what Stalin was then proud of for many years.

In 1926, Hugh Cooper was invited by the USSR government and was appointed chief consultant engineer for the construction of the Dnieper Dam. He took an active part in the design of the Dnieper (1927).What is the undoubted superiority of the Soviet state? The fact that capitalists are building socialist industry with the hands of prisoners!

[Alexander Ra]

Do not forget to remind yourself of the superiority of the USA, England, etc.

[Gardamir]

And yet, when they say that there were many foreign specialists who supposedly built everything. They had a crisis and let them rejoice that at least in the Union they gave work.

[raw174]

Quote: Gardamir

And yet, when they say that there were many foreign specialists who supposedly built everything.

Well, yes, there were their projects and products were produced according to their best practices (the same ChTZ), but they did it for money ... There is no other reason, just business ...

[Fevralsk. Morev]

And for our dancer, for 20 years now, something has been interfering. Either the crisis, then sanctions, now there is no time for buildup, and not so long ago I learned that someone was sniffing.

[Greenwood]

Quote: Fevralsk. Morev

no time for buildup

He has "no time to swing" for 20 years.

[maden.usmanow]

Unfortunately, after the death of Stalin, the modernization of all industries was not carried out.
Enterprises were "stuck" in the 30s and 40s.

[raw174]

I agree. In the 80s, the Union was again technologically backward, especially in the civilian sector ...

[erased]

This is not a miracle. This is the hard work of the Soviet people for the sake of a future life and freedom!

[Pessimist22]

So you understand that industrialization is the hard work of millions of people practically for nothing, for the sake of an idea and even for the sake of food in the 20-30s, there was not enough food, I remember how Pavel Korchagin worked in one shoe and thought: “The most precious thing a person has is life. It is given him once, and he must live it so that it would not be excruciatingly painful for the aimlessly spent years, so that he would not burn shame for a petty and petty past, so that, dying, he could say: all life and all strength were given to the most beautiful in the world - the struggle for the liberation of humanity. And we must hurry to live. After all, an absurd illness or some tragic accident can interrupt it. "
"As the Steel Was Tempered"
By the way, the events in Ukraine now resemble the events of that time, only now it’s not the Petliurites who are robbing Jews, but the Jews of Ukraine.

[Mcar]

Talking about the time period of the 20-30s on the Day TV channel, Nikolai Sapelkin notes ...

An extremely interesting and informative lecture. Thanks for meeting an apparently interesting person! It will be necessary to get acquainted with the work of Sapelkin.

Yes, indeed, everything was, as they say, thin, and if not for Stalin, the Soviet economic miracle of the 30s could not have happened. Comparing that great decade with two worthless present ones, you begin to understand what feats our people are capable of when they see the goal and when the leaders are at the same time.

[Procopius Nesterov]

It was just that the crisis and its bottom occurred in the USSR in the 20s. First, 10 lost years from 1917 to 1927, when industry was initially destroyed by 90 percent. After 10 years, it was torn to carry out industrialization.
Now we’ll simply calculate, for example, cast iron.
In 1913, 4,2 million tons of pig iron were produced; in 1937, 14.5 million tons were produced.
What growth rate should the capitalist Russian Empire have to have in order to reach the same result by 1937? We take a compound interest calculator and it turns out that it is only 5 and a half percent per year. This is a very low indicator for the country. Railway grew by 7 percent per year on average.
I’m not talking about thousands of factories in the Russian Empire that produced the goods people needed, and that would develop quite naturally, but not with distortions that led to a constant shortage of necessary goods in the USSR.
By the way, the 5-year plans were before the revolution. It was planned, in particular, to build 30 miles in the railway in 1917-1922.

[Foul skeptic]

Now let’s calculate

here it is necessary not "elementary" to count, but correctly.

[Mcar]

Quote: Procopius Nesterov

What growth rate should the capitalist Russian Empire have to have in order to reach the same result by 1937?

There could not have been any growth rates for the "capitalist Russian Empire" before 1937. Because RI itself would not have existed. To think that the interim government, i.e. a handful of morphine masons could rally the people and withstand the onslaught of foreign intervention, and then recapture what they captured, only a person with a great imagination can.

Quote: Procopius Nesterov

We take a compound interest calculator and it turns out that it is only 5 and a half percent per year. This is a very low indicator for the country.

Exactly a very low rate? And if you take the sophisticated calculator again?

Especially on cast iron, RI took off like a rocket, yeah:

Quote: Procopius Nesterov

I'm not talking about thousands of factories in the Russian Empire

No matter how many thousands of these factories, there were fewer engines than the factories themselves. All - steam, oil, gas, electric. This means, if, say, there were dozens or hundreds of engines on Putilovsky, then, therefore, tens or hundreds of factories did not have a single engine. Nothing - a vice, a rasp, a rotor, etc. etc. Compare such "factories" with giant factories of the first five-year plans are simply incorrect.

Anyone can see for himself: http://istmat.info/node/26498
We select any group of factories, open and read who the owner is, how many rubles the factory produced, whether the engine was, how many people worked, etc.

[Procopius Nesterov]

Very good data was given there, the production of pig iron is even more than I thought.
It can be seen from your tablets that cast iron production almost doubled every 12 years. It is not difficult to estimate that by 1937 it would have been produced more than under the communists.
Nicholas II left behind 100 thousand schools, this is stated in Soviet statistics and their number in the 20s only decreased, as did funding, according to the Bolsheviks themselves.
As for the intervention, are you talking about when the Bolsheviks invited the British and French troops to Arkhangelsk and Murmansk? Or when they turned to the USA for help?

[Mcar]

Quote: Procopius Nesterov

Nicholas II left behind 100 thousand schools

Ek you bent: "left behind".

How much Tsarist Russia was not involved in education can be judged by only one such fact - only 1 (one) percent of subjects continued to study above the initial one. What else can I talk about? Left behind ...

[Procopius Nesterov]

About the number of schools, this is Soviet data and not mine, under Stalin, high school education was paid.
As you can see, tsarist Russia was engaged in education, the fact that you do not know how education developed and how it was planned, it only means that you are not interested in it and do not read documents, but you read propaganda communist agitation.
As you can see here, not one percent of those who continue to study, if you look at the numbers.

[Mcar]

Quote: Procopius Nesterov

the fact that you do not know how education developed and how it was planned, it only means that you are not interested in this and do not read documents, but you read propaganda communist agitation.

I did not know that the data of a single census in the Republic of Ingushetia are called communist agitation.

The text review of the materials of the first general census of 1897 says: “With a higher education than primary, there were 1 individuals in the entire empire, or only 364%. In particular, among males there were 143 or 1,102% of the male population and 848 female or 932% of all women. It must be borne in mind that the figures given do not exhaustively indicate the number of people who have truly completed their education, but they only indicate that so many of them studied at various institutions, and how many of them graduated are unknown». A general set of empires on the results of the development of the data of the first general census of the population, made on January 18, 1897, St. Petersburg, vol. I, p. XVII

PS. Interestingly, are all bourgeois so lazy or through one?

This is "can you prove 90 percent of the capital?", I have read in different ways, over the past five years, on different sites, read about two hundred times. No, I would still understand, if to find out whether it was so or not would be tantamount to unloading a car of coal. Not everyone can do it. But here, after all, it's not coal with calluses, here "claudia" can be felt with your fingers.
Remember, and better write down - this is a military proletarian secret, and the bourgeoisie is forbidden to know this.

[Procopius Nesterov]

1897 years passed between the census of 1917 and 20. And the dynamics for improvement are clearly visible.
In 1914, 7 million 236 thousand people received primary education, an average of 565 thousand, vocational 267 thousand, and higher 125 thousand.
565 + 236 + 125 = 926 thousand
It turns out that from 7 million 236 thousand, then 12,79 percent of students remained to receive education. Progress from 1897 to 1914 is obvious and the growth rate is excellent. So your thesis that tsarist Russia was not involved in education is fundamentally wrong.
She was engaged in what Lunacharsky, Krupskaya and other Bolsheviks recognized at their congresses in the 20s.
Here is what Lunacharsky writes about paying teachers, below on the screen.
As for communist propaganda, they all convinced everyone that tsarist Russia was backward, they depicted a complete absence of schools, etc. But it turns out that there were 100 thousand schools with teachers receiving a salary.

[at84432384]

In RI, up to 90% of the capital belonged to foreign owners and certainly did not work for the country. And not everything was produced. What can we say about aircraft engines, while modernizing the fleet, armor, guns, steam engines were bought abroad. During the war, not only equipment, but also ammunition was supplied from the Entente countries. The debt to Russia after the war was such that it would hardly be possible to pay off. How it all happened can be read in the book of General A.D. Nechvolodov. From ruin to wealth. 1906 There is an internet. That is why, in 1917, the General Staff of the Russian Army bet on the Bolsheviks, and not on the bourgeois parties that were preparing Russia for sale. Without the Second World War, Russia would not have existed, so why try to model "how its economy would grow in N years if ..." By the way, the Bolsheviks not only built factories and factories, but also built schools and hospitals, opened research institutes and universities, invested in the development of culture and art. An 8-hour working day was introduced. Here the current Russian Federation is like two drops similar to RI-the same dominance of TNCs, nothing of its own high-tech is produced, only oil, gas, and raw materials, and terrible unpunished corruption. The reason is the same - the elite are much nicer to live on the Cote d'Azur and teach their children in London.

[Procopius Nesterov]

First, can there be evidence about 90 percent of the capital?
Second, now all over the world it is called foreign investment and the inflow of capital, for which everyone is so struggling creating conditions for this. Enterprises, jobs and taxes are being created.
Nothing was done? This is a communist propaganda that has settled in the head of many, especially people who cannot open and find a list of factories of the Russian Empire.

[at84432384]

It was possible to talk about "communist propaganda" in the years 80-91, and then it somehow still passed. Now there is simply no doubt that it was just baby talk. Now propaganda, so propaganda! When a stupid LADY constantly broadcasts about "foreign investments", then a person who has never studied economics and who trusts his high office (well, the prime minister cannot understand anything!) Begins to think that we really need them. Only developing countries cannot do without external investment (and even then, only during the period of initial development). A person who has money for an apartment, but takes money on a mortgage for 30 years at 10% looks like an idiot in the eyes of those around him, and the prime minister of a state with half a trillion in reserves dreams of "external investments" that are not only expensive, but their hands are tied ... Maybe, maybe he gets a big salary in another state. The first is also quite possible - I recently learned that not all officials in the Ministry of Finance know the difference between a credit issue and a money issue ...

[rocket757]

What to say. A miracle was performed by our ancestors ... it is worthless to lag behind them.

[Pavel57]

There is always a combination of the possibilities of external, objective and internal, including specific individuals.

[nikvic46]

This is unlikely to be found in history. So that 10 years after the revolution, the country was able to begin construction of the first stage of the Dnieper hydroelectric station.