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A year has passed since the promises to raise the sunken floating dock PD-50

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A year has passed since the promises to raise the sunken floating dock PD-50

More than a year has passed since the accident at the shipyard in the village of Roslyakovo, Murmansk Region. This is an accident, as a result of which the floating dock PD-82 sank at site No. 50. It carried out repairs of the heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov.


Then, when the PD-50 was flooded, the fallen cranes damaged the only aircraft carrier of the Russian Navy, breaking through its deck in the vicinity of the aerofinisher. The official reason for the flooding of PD-50 was announced as a power outage, without specifying why they could not switch the maintenance of the ship repair site to backup power sources.

At that time, there were some losses among the employees who serviced the repair at PD-50. It must be recalled that exactly one year ago, officials announced that the sunken floating dock would certainly be lifted - at least with the goal of freeing the entrance to the harbor and ensuring the planned operation of the 82 shipyard.

The maximum depth at which the floating dock with a total displacement of 215 thousand tons is located is about 60 meters.

We have to admit that a year later from the moment of those statements and promises, no data on the work on lifting the sunken floating dock (one of the largest in Russia) was announced (if at least some work is being done at all). It does not say whether there is a project to raise the sunken PD-50, nor what specific enterprises are ready to entrust this labor-intensive process. But earlier the following sounded:

The rise can be carried out with the help of exclusively domestic companies, without involving foreign ones.

The only thing that is known for sure is the “ongoing investigation." So, about 2 months ago, information came about a report on the progress of this investigation. The report was heard by the head of the TFR, Alexander Bastrykin. The investigation is being carried out by employees of the North-West Investigation Department for Transport. It is noted that data on “violation of safety rules when organizing work on the floating dock” appear in the case. No details were reported.

When the PD-50 will be raised and whether it will be raised at all, it is not reported.
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  1. Honest Citizen
    Honest Citizen 19 November 2019 10: 25 New
    +5
    They are waiting for the promised three years!
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 19 November 2019 10: 56 New
      +31
      Quote: Honest Citizen
      They are waiting for the promised three years!

      19 December 2011in Tuva, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin scored a crutch at the base of the new Kyzyl-Kuragino railway, which will connect the Krasnoyarsk Territory with Kyzyl and the Elegest field.
      But there is no road laughing

      So it’s not 3 years that they’ve promised, but 10!
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 19 November 2019 11: 16 New
        +20
        There are as many choices ahead of us as there are many promises to be heard.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 19 November 2019 11: 28 New
          +3
          I will slightly correct:


          Way to go buddy wink More demotivators, good and different laughing
          1. Perun Horch
            Perun Horch 19 November 2019 12: 14 New
            +14
            When I was surprised last year why the frigate was lifted from the bottom in Norway, and there is no float, then the fools explained to me that accidents in Russia have no analogues in the world!
            1. Antares
              Antares 19 November 2019 13: 21 New
              +2
              Quote: Perun Horch
              When I was surprised last year why the frigate was lifted from the bottom in Norway, and there is no float, then the fools explained to me that accidents in Russia have no analogues in the world!

              best comment. good
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            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 19 November 2019 21: 05 New
              +13
              Quote: lexus
              Kat, you, out of habit, are trying to annoy me below the waist

              Is Kat the girl in the picture?

              Quote: lexus
              I ask everyone to be understanding

              If it’s you there in the background, then you can only sympathize with request
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                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 20 November 2019 07: 53 New
                  +12
                  Quote: lexus
                  Known at VO multi-site.

                  belay This is the cry of the soul !!! Do you have melancholy?
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 20 November 2019 08: 18 New
                    +12
                    melancholy - this is my prerogative, no fucking hit anyone to poke her! Be your boyfriend! hi
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 20 November 2019 08: 20 New
                      +11
                      Yes, you, melancholists, can you make out! laughing
                      hi Great!
                      1. novel66
                        novel66 20 November 2019 08: 27 New
                        +10
                        my melancholy is a reference tongue
                      2. Serg65
                        Serg65 20 November 2019 08: 28 New
                        +10
                        So it needs to be patented somehow! wink
                      3. novel66
                        novel66 20 November 2019 08: 28 New
                        +9
                        to the chamber of weights and measures ...
                      4. Serg65
                        Serg65 20 November 2019 08: 32 New
                        +10
                        Rostekhnadzor! And the tablet will be issued "Melancholy verified 01.04.2020 g.!" good drinks
                      5. novel66
                        novel66 20 November 2019 08: 42 New
                        +10
                        and deductions, naturally!
        2. Rusland
          Rusland 20 November 2019 10: 00 New
          +13
          Quote: lexus
          it's Rusland

          And what about such mournful notes? So a good company, you need to get acquainted with them, that is, with "it." yes It's like in the movie "about boots", so you need to take it. yes
        3. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 20 November 2019 11: 16 New
          +10
          Quote: lexus
          Cat - Cat Man Null, it’s Golovan Jack, it’s also a Consultant, it’s Rusland, it’s not bad

          Mdya ... "it’s" Manka Bond, you forgot the campaign.

          You have an obsessive motive, buddy - you see Golovans everywhere. Look, this is a bad sign. yes

          And you brought the correct picture, life. Eco flattened you there laughing
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  • Svarog
    Svarog 19 November 2019 12: 05 New
    +5
    Quote: lexus
    There are as many choices ahead of us as there are many promises to be heard.

    Alexei .. he already stopped promising a duck ... he promised nothing at all in these elections, no election program, no debate .. I’m afraid that there will be no promises in the next election either .. and then we know the price of these promises .. "Please treat with understanding" hi
  • ochakow703
    ochakow703 19 November 2019 11: 30 New
    +8
    So that crutch rotted long ago! It is necessary to beat a new one, so the lard for 10. Koresh will be mastered and sawed into light.
  • d.olegov44
    d.olegov44 19 November 2019 11: 41 New
    +22
    Quote: RUSS
    December 19, 2011 in Tuva, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin scored a crutch at the base of the new Kyzyl-Kuragino railway, which will connect the Krasnoyarsk Territory with Kyzyl and the Elegest field.
    But there is no road


    But that was a duck премиер Vladimir Putin, and he is another Vladimir Putin - president. The current Vladimir Putin was generally elected president in 2018 (just two years ago) and he got a lot of problems from the former president, he needs to be given time.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 19 November 2019 12: 17 New
      -2
      Quote: d.olegov44
      But the duck was Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, and he is the other Vladimir Putin, the president. The current Vladimir Putin was generally elected president of 2018 (just two years ago) and he got a lot of problems from the former president, we need to give him time.

      laughing good You should be in the presidential administration .. Leading PR manager .. cleverly you all argued .. it was very funny .. I .. I think Kiselev will soon tell something similar hi
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      2. RUSS
        RUSS 19 November 2019 13: 00 New
        +4
        Quote: Svarog

        You should be in the presidential administration .. Leading PR manager .. cleverly you all argued .. it was very funny .. I .. I think Kiselev will soon tell something similar

        So something similar said the press secretary Peskov, saying Putin promised not to raise the retirement age in the past, not in the present)))
    2. atalef
      atalef 19 November 2019 12: 24 New
      0
      Quote: d.olegov44
      But the duck was Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, and he is the other Vladimir Putin, the president. The current Vladimir Putin was generally elected president of 2018 (just two years ago) and he got a lot of problems from the former president, we need to give him time.

      good
    3. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 19 November 2019 19: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: d.olegov44
      Quote: RUSS
      December 19, 2011 in Tuva, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin scored a crutch at the base of the new Kyzyl-Kuragino railway, which will connect the Krasnoyarsk Territory with Kyzyl and the Elegest field.
      But there is no road


      But that was a duck премиер Vladimir Putin, and he is another Vladimir Putin - president. The current Vladimir Putin was generally elected president in 2018 (just two years ago) and he got a lot of problems from the former president, he needs to be given time.

      good
      Let me add:
      And to the current prime minister, to rake what has got from the last prime minister))
  • Svarog
    Svarog 19 November 2019 12: 02 New
    -4
    Quote: RUSS
    Putin scored a crutch at the base

    Now, if he scored a crutch at the base of the members of the government .. then things would have been more fun laughing
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 19 November 2019 13: 24 New
    -1
    Quote: RUSS
    December 19, 2011 in Tuva, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin scored a crutch at the base of the new Kyzyl-Kuragino railway, which will connect the Krasnoyarsk Territory with Kyzyl and the Elegest field. But there is no road. So it’s not 3 years that they’ve promised, but 10!
    It should be clarified, dear, who is to blame!
    In 2002, the Yenisei Industrial Company (YPC), owned by a Russian banker and former senator Sergei Pugachev, received a license for the field. It was planned that the state would take on part of the cost of the construction of the road, and as a result of the competition, the government department received the structure of the Summa group of Ziyavudin Magomedov. But since Pugachev’s company did not fulfill the obligations under the work schedule, the government commission excluded the Kyzyl-Kuragino railway from the list of objects sold at the expense of budget funds. Summa Group seized 3 billion rubles from Roszheldor. for termination of the contract. Rosnedra was revoked from the YPC, which turned out to be bankrupt, and in April 2013 it was put up again for a tender, the only participant of which was the Tuva Energy Industrial Corporation (TEPK) Ruslan Baisarov. He then committed himself to build a road to the field, saying that the company had already invested about 1 billion rubles. in the development of the project.
    But the construction of the highway did not begin, the last time it was postponed to October 2018. Roszheldor should act as a precedent, an SPV company in which 47,5% each belongs to TEPK and Leader Management Company, another 5% to Russian Railways. 15% of the investment should have been the concessionaire’s own funds, the rest - loans.
    Why is it, after such brief, but heart-rending comments that one wonders that in the West and the Maidanut people, even if the Black Sea turns blue or more flashes in the sun, Putin is to blame!
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 20 November 2019 08: 59 New
      +3
      Comrade, but not horse feed. Who are you trying to explain? Immediately, the main thing is AGAINST khaypanut (together with the Jews, in Russian to do), grab the pluses and in the Shadow. Until the next similar article.
  • Civil
    Civil 19 November 2019 12: 11 New
    0
    Maxim died, well, X with him.
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi
    Obi-Wan Kenobi 19 November 2019 12: 16 New
    +28
    When the PD-50 will be raised and whether it will be raised at all, it is not reported.

    I said a year ago that no one will raise anything. Tea is not drowned gold diamonds.
    How many minuses then they put me. They called me all-crawler and liberalist.
    They assured me that the guarantor would personally dive to the bottom of the sea behind the drowned dock, like amphorae!
    At VO almost announced a subbotnik All-Russian - we will raise the dock!
    Well ... Fools! What did you quiet down? Where are your enthusiastic slogans, huh?
    But you were told that everything was a drowned dock - Amen. And you did not believe.
    Actually sad and sad. And nowhere will we take a new dock. For there is no money, but you hold on!
    1. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 19 November 2019 12: 26 New
      +2
      "Urikalki" You are now viciously and quietly minus ...
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 19 November 2019 13: 33 New
        -2
        Quote: Greg Miller
        You are now viciously and quietly minus ...

        laughing Her, we wait when you come to power IIIaaaaaak raise floatdock !!!!!
        1. novel66
          novel66 20 November 2019 08: 23 New
          +11
          now it’s not flooding, but subflooding - maybe for submarines
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 19 November 2019 16: 44 New
      +2
      It seems that a large-sized dry dock is being built. But what to do with the rem site blocked by the dock is not at all clear ..
    3. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 19 November 2019 23: 02 New
      -1
      Yes, you realized that they will not pick it up soon, ..... but your delusions are much deeper than this dock and even the Titanic drowned (the death of which provoked two world wars, the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR, as well as the transformation of the Russian Federation into an American colony). ..you don’t know that money rules a sinful world, well, sooooooo big? ...... because if you raise it, then the question will arise about repairing it and you may have to do it ... and if you wait, then 1 can be sold for three billion dollars Av Kuznetsov, as having no repair point, and then 2 quietly raise the dock and saw it into metal and sell it, for it has clearly rusted and cannot be repaired
  • Genry
    Genry 19 November 2019 12: 48 New
    0
    Quote: Honest Citizen
    They are waiting for the promised three years!

    And who, when and what promised? Something is fogging up without facts (as in the outskirts).
    1. rich
      rich 19 November 2019 14: 39 New
      +6
      Cool ! Like in the Battle of the Titans " fellow
      "Urikalki" vs "All-Finger" belay
      formal negotiations between the high contracting parties have ended. winked
      The High Contracting Parties have begun a responsible procedure for mutual universal secret minus laughing
  • Alexander Petrov1
    Alexander Petrov1 19 November 2019 22: 03 New
    +1
    But what for, this junk is needed, which for almost 40 years, is better to save on lifting and build a large dry dock like the United States and for aircraft carriers and nuclear cruisers such as Peter the Great.
  • PROXOR
    PROXOR 19 November 2019 10: 30 New
    +7
    Hmm. For a year, it was possible to fill the drowned part with air balloons and it would rise itself.
    1. loki565
      loki565 19 November 2019 11: 03 New
      +7
      what's the point? it is rotten and flowed from all the cracks, so it sank as soon as the pumps stopped drumming.
    2. VALERIK_097
      VALERIK_097 19 November 2019 18: 19 New
      +2
      Sergey, this is my comment from last year
      VALERIK_097 (Valery) November 3, 2018 10:37
      +1
      What prevents to raise floating PD-50. On the results of the work of divers

      Andrey, the task is the same, 10-30 meters from the article is a 45 degree roll, the dock must have caught on a rocky ledge, and not hanging on a bubble, it’s impossible to calculate any lifting action (considering the length and weight).

      And you are balls. You can discuss this topic for a long time.
      A serious miscalculation when choosing a dock setting place was the absence of an embossed rocky pillow (without a roll and trim, the dock would have been lifted for a long time) .Although probably no one expected that the dock would survive until the advent of frenzied capitalism with its defective optimizer managers.
  • Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 19 November 2019 10: 31 New
    +8
    Cut and pull out in parts. And then, if the truth is in the way. There will be no recovery, we have already been given to understand this.


    I am a little far from this. But do we really not have the technology to build a dry dock of any size? Dry docks were built non-acidic a hundred years ago.
    I unknowingly simplify it, but a dry dock is a concrete pool with a gateway into which the vessel enters under its own power, and then it is fastened and drained.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 19 November 2019 10: 47 New
      +5
      If you need to raise the dock only to cut it to scrap, then you can no longer rush. Again, it is obvious that it is not so much that it interferes with the flooding of the site, since nothing is being done.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 19 November 2019 10: 50 New
      +7
      Quote: Fibrizio
      I am a little far from this. But do we really not have the technology to build a dry dock of any size? Dry docks were built non-acidic a hundred years ago.

      Already build. The decision was made even before the PD-50 was drowned, while the disaster moved the deadlines to the left.
      ... Petersburg company I.I.S. under a contract with the Zvyozdochka ship repair center, 20 billion rubles will modernize the dry dock at the 35th ship repair plant in Murmansk. The dock is needed to repair the Admiral Kuznetsov, the only aircraft carrier in the Navy. It is planned to combine two existing docks into one large one. The work is planned to be completed during 2020, and already in 2021 to hand over the cruiser to the fleet, but experts doubt the feasibility of these terms.
      The modernization of the 35th shipyard in Murmansk has been discussed for the last three years, work was supposed to start in 2021, but because of the need to urgently find a place for the repair of Admiral Kuznetsov, the project accelerated.
      © bmpd
    3. d.olegov44
      d.olegov44 19 November 2019 11: 45 New
      +5
      Quote: Fibrizio
      But do we really not have the technology to build a dry dock of any size?


      Putin's Russia - like the Imperium from Warhammer: lives off the technology of the Ancients (USSR). Despite the efforts of tech priests (priests of the Russian Orthodox Church), who are entrenching each rocket, plane or bolt, the technologies of the ancients slowly but steadily fade away and are lost - missiles fall, drones crash, planes from aircraft carriers sink during takeoff and landing. But the holy faith in the Emperor (botox half-corpse on the golden throne) will save us!
      1. kpd
        kpd 19 November 2019 11: 52 New
        +11
        Yeah, in the case of this recessed dock, the link to Soviet technology does not go through, the Swedes built the PD-50.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 19 November 2019 13: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: d.olegov44
        Despite the efforts of tech priests (priests of the Russian Orthodox Church), who are entrenching each rocket, plane or bolt, the technologies of the ancients slowly but steadily fade away and are lost - missiles fall, drones crash, planes from aircraft carriers sink during takeoff and landing.

        And the Ancients had none of this. smile
        Well, indeed, they could not have allowed in the bright USSR “Confusion” of pyrotechnic circuits, failure of the onboard cable network, design flaws of the second stage BIM-a, destruction of the seat of the first stage solid propellant injection valve. Or the fire and explosion of the Soyuz-U rocket with the Soyuz T-10-1 manned spacecraft right at the start (I had to use the emergency rescue system).
        And about the accidents and catastrophes of aircraft on an aircraft carrier about the USSR it would be better not to remember at all - because the Union had such a marvelous machine as the Yak-38, he’sYak - Shmyak on the deck".

        It is just that the Ancients regularly manipulated information, trying to hide even what is impossible to hide - the same downed KAL007 or Chernobyl nuclear power plant.
        And they hid it from their own people - outside the USSR, anyone could find out what was chipboard within the USSR (this is about insanity with foreign directories that have been stamped in the USSR because of data on Soviet technology and industry).
        1. d.olegov44
          d.olegov44 19 November 2019 13: 22 New
          -5
          And about the accidents and catastrophes of aircraft on an aircraft carrier about the USSR, it would be better not to remember at all - because the Union had such a marvelous machine as the Yak-38, aka “Yak - on the shmyak deck”.


          But after all, the Americans stole it for the F-35 (at least as they write here on the forum). Therefore, the Yak-38 was an advanced and very successful machine with a backlog for the fifth generation.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 19 November 2019 13: 43 New
            +4
            Quote: d.olegov44
            But after all, the Americans stole it for the F-35 (at least as they write here on the forum). Therefore, the Yak-38 was an advanced and very successful machine with a backlog for the fifth generation.

            It is you who confuse it with the Yak-141. Lockheed Martin, during cooperation with Yakovlev in the early 90s, received documentation on the new Yakovlev machine, but did not copy it, and perhaps used the groundwork to create the KVVP version of the “penguin” (the same design of the rotary nozzle).
            However, a similar nozzle was tested in the USA back in the 60s on the Convair Model 200 with an engine from Pratt & Whitney.

            And the F-35B scheme differs from the Yak-141, and it was proposed even before the data on the Yak-141 were received.

            And the Yak-38 ... why is he a Yankee if they have an AV-8?
      3. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 19 November 2019 13: 32 New
        -2
        Quote: d.olegov44
        Putin's Russia - like the Imperium from Warhammer: lives off the technology of the Ancients (USSR). Despite the efforts of tech-priests (priests of the Russian Orthodox Church), instilling every rocket ...

        Adherents of grunting power can and should be objected briefly, "Before you went ... to your pigsty!"
      4. Rusland
        Rusland 19 November 2019 14: 22 New
        +12
        "Putin's Russia", sorry hi then you are your dad Vaska wink laughing
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        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 20 November 2019 12: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: Perun Horch
          Everything to the point !!! Very accurately noticed the current situation

          Is it current?
          The Ancients had exactly the same tech-priests. They were only called party organizers, secretaries of party committees, etc. Or nostalgic for the USSR forgot about references in any scientific works to the founders and decisions of party congresses? Or about one of the cornerstones of communist ideology - party science? wink

          It’s all the difference that instead of the Secretary of the Central Committee, the priest is now in a cassock, and instead of a rally, there is worship.
    4. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 19 November 2019 23: 06 New
      0
      you can do anything, nor for this you need money and a reason to do it, for a super dock there is no reason, (benefit from it) nor money
  • Local from the Volga
    Local from the Volga 19 November 2019 10: 36 New
    +9
    "Later, about what happened, they will lie for a long time ... Will the commission tell you how difficult it is to die .."
    1. Artur Loginov
      Artur Loginov 19 November 2019 10: 59 New
      +3
      Which of us are the same age, who is the hero, who,
      Captain Kolesnikov writes us a letter.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 19 November 2019 10: 41 New
    -8
    A year has passed since the promises to raise the sunken floating dock PD-50

    So, what is next? Passed and .. with him! Or did you want to raise? So:

    - Alas, I am afraid that this is impossible.
    “How — impossible?” Why?
    - You see, according to our customs ...the young man in love must first pass the test. Get your favorite scarf the promised three years are waiting.

    wassat
    1. Rusland
      Rusland 19 November 2019 14: 47 New
      +8
      winked Another one from the notorious “order” has become a general twice, guys, glory does not give you peace? what
      1. novel66
        novel66 20 November 2019 08: 25 New
        +7
        was there an order ?? Vital, hi hi
        1. Mouse
          Mouse 20 November 2019 08: 42 New
          +8
          Quote: novel xnumx
          was there an order ??

          hi it can not be! wink
          1. novel66
            novel66 20 November 2019 08: 46 New
            +6
            Basil, hi cannot be, but may not be ..
        2. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 20 November 2019 09: 02 New
          +5
          If he were not there, then he would be worth inventing.
          1. Mouse
            Mouse 20 November 2019 09: 15 New
            +8
            If he was not there, then he would be worth inventing

            Essentially! Otherwise, they would lose the meaning of their existence immediately ... they’re fighting! And suddenly it turns out that they are struggling with what is not! wassat
          2. novel66
            novel66 20 November 2019 10: 24 New
            +6
            said beautifully. Lech !!! you look - and a philologist will come out of you!
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 20 November 2019 12: 24 New
              +1
              you look - and a philologist will come out of you!

              Ugh Ugh. Ladushki, put yourself from me Gagarina’s song “Melancholy”. drinks
        3. Rusland
          Rusland 20 November 2019 09: 52 New
          +9
          Quote: novel xnumx
          was there an order ?? Vital, hi hi

          Hello roma hi Once wrote about it, it was. There are no miracles. yes But what is surprising is that this community, for their nagging and others, mold their own titles. request
          1. novel66
            novel66 20 November 2019 10: 30 New
            +6
            they are cunning, they are informals
          2. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 20 November 2019 12: 26 New
            0
            Vital, in Ancient Rome there was an "ancient" profession - Professional Weepers, such as Wedding Generals. Apparently in VO decided to revive it.
  • loki565
    loki565 19 November 2019 11: 00 New
    0
    Something I did not hear that they would have promised to raise it at all than to raise a rotten scrap metal cheaper to buy a new one, at least in the same China.
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 19 November 2019 11: 14 New
    +5
    There are no words, what kind of oblique-headed one must be in order to drown such a design (floating dock with a total displacement of 215 thousand tons), plus damage to the aircraft carrier cruiser ?!
    People along the way do not feel any responsibility whatsoever!
    Previously, they would immediately impute "wrecking."
    What damage did the state do ?!
    1. DPN
      DPN 19 November 2019 12: 40 New
      -2
      What damage did the state do ?!
      MLC, the Soviet is not really needed and out of date, how many were closed.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 19 November 2019 11: 19 New
    +14
    So Rogozin, for example, also promised about holes a year ago.
    And now - they say I know, but I won’t say ...

    In the order of things of the promise
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      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 19 November 2019 11: 43 New
        -2
        Maybe .... although, IMHO, they are just bargaining ...
        1. loki565
          loki565 19 November 2019 11: 44 New
          0
          Well, yes, until you made your dragon, you have to tear in three skins)))
  • askort154
    askort154 19 November 2019 11: 21 New
    +1
    "The only thing that is known for sure is the" ongoing investigation. "

    It’s immediately obvious that here the salary of investigators is time-based. Additionally, the "pocket is not heated" no - we work with smoke breaks. yes
  • New Year day
    New Year day 19 November 2019 11: 38 New
    -2
    He drowned, forget it!
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    1. loki565
      loki565 19 November 2019 12: 06 New
      -2
      So he also put a huge reinforced concrete bolt on our country.

      Yeah, who needs your Ukraine)))
      1. Trigger-Happy
        Trigger-Happy 19 November 2019 12: 24 New
        +1
        here they are crazy, again about Ukraine and here, but calm down already with your outskirts. Little nightingale litter?
        1. loki565
          loki565 19 November 2019 12: 30 New
          -1
          Well, you are special on throwing on a fan
          1. Trigger-Happy
            Trigger-Happy 19 November 2019 12: 47 New
            +2
            And what did I throw? Or are you stubborn, expressing your opinion is already considered an attack? 20 years to rob the country and citizens, continue to ruin education, science, the courts, increase PV, VAT, breed monstrous corruption ..... it’s not a fan, it’s a natural crime, wrecking, for it was shot not so long ago.
            1. loki565
              loki565 19 November 2019 12: 53 New
              -5
              Is the glass half empty or half full ???
              in each topic, throwing a lot of mind on the fan is not necessary, what exactly are your suggestions ???)))
              20 years to rob the country and citizens, continue to ruin education, science, courts, increase PV, VAT, breed monstrous corruption

              but it was not necessary to ruin the USSR, and the local youth did not live well and needed change, so they got dashing 90s ... Now objectively, they live better than in the 90s)))
              1. Trigger-Happy
                Trigger-Happy 19 November 2019 14: 05 New
                -1
                I don’t have much love for the scoop, especially the later, but I consider the collapse a tragedy for a huge number of people. It collapsed from illiterate policies and the betrayal of the elites, the system rotted through and through, no development path was proposed, and did not reform on time. And in the referendum, then just the majority spoke in favor of the union, not youth, but farts the old country about ..... whether. I agree that now life is better than in the 90s, but no development path has been proposed, everything is rolling there too. It is necessary to build a multipolar, balanced political system to begin with, just don’t ask me how, I don’t know, I’m not a politician.
  • Perun Horch
    Perun Horch 19 November 2019 12: 12 New
    -2
    If during such a time the float can not be raised, then how can UDC and aircraft carriers be able to build ???
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 19 November 2019 12: 38 New
      +1
      What time is it? And no one promised to build the UDC and aircraft carriers .. - the decision was just made .. But the decisions can be made and canceled .. We somehow decided to build a single-crystal silicon plant. about ten years ago. They decided, solved, judged, ruffled, built and even launched .. But it turned out that during this time the application technologies were hopelessly outdated .. and suddenly this silicon was no longer needed by anyone .. Such a construction turned out for the sake of construction .. Therefore, a new plant, with great fanfare, the open quickly went bankrupt and sold to the Chinese ..
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 19 November 2019 12: 48 New
        +11
        Quote: Dikson
        construction for the sake of construction

        ZPK, Zheleznogorsk?
        1. Dikson
          Dikson 19 November 2019 12: 51 New
          +2
          So yes .. there such a funny story happened ..
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 19 November 2019 13: 10 New
            +10
            Quote: Dikson
            Taki yes ..

            Then about "sold to the Chinese" - there are doubts. The small factory still hangs "in liquidation" and works at a loss:


            And so - yes, a strange story.
      2. minus
        minus 19 November 2019 15: 32 New
        -2
        Yes, it’s more likely that technologies are not outdated, but simply not needed .... The microelectronic industry is destroyed, there is no place to use this silicon.
        1. Dikson
          Dikson 19 November 2019 17: 29 New
          +1
          Everything is really complicated there .. - then they wanted to do solar panels for satellites and everyday life .. something else .. They seemed to be going to trade with the Hindus .. But the Indians managed to build their factory over the years, while Moscow agreed and signed ...))
          1. minus
            minus 19 November 2019 17: 51 New
            +2
            Well, not so. Polycrystalline silicon is just a semi-finished product. To produce substrates and panels from it, monocrystals of the substrate still need to be grown. Already on them crystals of microcircuits or photocells are formed. The plant was supposed to produce only refined raw materials for further processing. As a microelectronics specialist I say) I studied at the Polytechnic with a degree in electronics and microelectronics, materials and elements of electronic equipment.)
  • DPN
    DPN 19 November 2019 12: 31 New
    +3
    Yes there were times: the Party said, the Komsomol answered IS! and Tselin and BAM and Space, now there’s no one else to do other times ..
  • faterdom
    faterdom 19 November 2019 12: 40 New
    +3
    Quote: Fibrizio
    I am a little far from this. But do we really not have the technology to build a dry dock of any size? Dry docks were built non-acidic a hundred years ago.
    I unknowingly simplify it, but a dry dock is a concrete pool with a gateway into which the vessel enters under its own power, and then it is fastened and drained.

    Dry dock and floating dock are slightly different things. A floating dock is still more of such a monstrous specialized ship. And it is much more complicated than just a dry dock as a pool with a gateway.
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 19 November 2019 12: 57 New
      +2
      So it’s not a matter of the complexity of the structure itself, but of the possibility of carrying out the necessary work in it for the speedy commissioning of our only aircraft carrier .. But it will be a dry dock or a ditch with a dam dug by convicts, it doesn’t matter .. Maybe it was and not in the dock but ... in repairing the ship itself? Well, so to speak - ends in the water?
    2. loki565
      loki565 19 November 2019 12: 57 New
      +3
      The advantage of a floating dock is that you can drag it to where it is needed at a particular moment. And if it constantly stands in one place, then it is cheaper and easier to build a dry dock.
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 19 November 2019 23: 11 New
        -1
        The advantage of such a large dock, which was not really dragged anywhere, was that you could buy it ready and not dig a big ditch in the far north
  • rudolff
    rudolff 19 November 2019 13: 21 New
    +8
    "The rise can be carried out with the help of exclusively domestic companies, without involving foreign ones." Well, who needs this show off? Ten years will be raised and plundered half the money. Would have turned to Mammut, the dock would have been on the surface.
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 21 November 2019 16: 52 New
      +1
      Good evening Rudolph hi Mammut could lift in parts. The floating dock is located at a depth of 40 meters. Its mass is at least 70 thousand tons. I read that during the investigation of the criminal case by the forces of the Marine Rescue Service of Rosmorrechflot, an underwater study of the floating dock was carried out. Specialists have identified areas of the body that have damage. In January 2019, as well as in May 2019, their cuts were made, which were provided to experts. In order to establish the reasons for the flooding of the floating dock on January 25, a comprehensive water-technical forensic examination was appointed at the Krylov State Scientific Center. The preliminary deadline for the examination is November 2019.
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 21 November 2019 16: 58 New
        +1
        The criminal case will be suspended in the absence of the main material evidence - the dock. Before its rise.
        Good evening, Aristarkh Ludwigovich!
        hi
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 21 November 2019 17: 16 New
          +1
          And there you look and the statute of limitations expires. For example, the motor ship Bulgaria was waiting for disposal for 5 years in the backwater. The shipping company "Kama River Shipping Company", waiting for the end of the judicial investigation, where the 700-ton ship was the main material evidence, utilized it in 2016. Most of all, the residents of the Kama Estuary were delighted with this event: the "eternal parking" of a ghost ship about which gloomy legends circulated in the area attracted thrill-seekers. Having read various media outlets that wrote about the mysterious sounds made by the ship, they made their way to the ship at night and did not hesitate to loot, pulling out valuable objects and metals.
          1. rudolff
            rudolff 21 November 2019 17: 22 New
            +1
            Yes exactly. I have already forgotten this story with Bulgaria. Reminded.
            1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
              Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 21 November 2019 17: 25 New
              +2
              The owners themselves completely avoided any responsibility for the tragedy and, moreover, acted in court as an injured party. The actual owner of the ship is Mikhail Antonov, chairman of the board of directors of the Kama River Shipping Company. After the tragedy, information appeared that the businessman had left for permanent residence in Spain.
              1. rudolff
                rudolff 21 November 2019 17: 31 New
                +2
                Considering on whose balance the float-board was listed, there too they will look for the guilty for a long time. Well, or switchmen will be appointed, according to tradition.
                1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                  Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 21 November 2019 17: 41 New
                  +1
                  Assign switchmen. I have no doubt about that. The real culprits are with the money and will avoid responsibility.
  • Dmitry Gundorov
    Dmitry Gundorov 19 November 2019 13: 29 New
    +1
    Now you can already begin to disassemble Kuznetsov into needles. For even if they combine two dry docks, then it will take another year. When they take him to the dock, then a lot more problems will probably be revealed, the repair of which will also take time. But then they will have to go through repair tests, and then another acceptance. How long will it take? Obviously not for three years, but here Kuzi’s air group is not young, she also needs to be changed, but not yet started. And when it comes to that, Kuzya will still age and not the fact that he will need repairs again.
    As a result, a vicious circle.
    It’s better to sell the Hindus, and with the proceeds the nth number of naval aviation regiments.
    Brave expert
    1. Obi-Wan Kenobi
      Obi-Wan Kenobi 19 November 2019 14: 30 New
      +7
      Now you can already begin to disassemble Kuznetsov into needles.

      Not. Not an option.
      At the repair of Kuznetsov, so much more money will be washed and stolen, that the East will seem childish babble.
    2. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 19 November 2019 23: 12 New
      -1
      fully support
  • VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 19 November 2019 13: 52 New
    0
    They can’t just agree on whose company will be involved in the recovery. Everyone wants money.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 19 November 2019 14: 00 New
    -1
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    I will slightly correct:


    Way to go buddy wink More demotivators, good and different laughing

    The main demotivator is one who promises but does not fulfill .... sad
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 19 November 2019 14: 12 New
      +4
      Quote: Radikal
      The main demotivator is one who promises but does not fulfill ...

      Is it a Lexus or something? What kind of demotivator is he, he’s just a chatterbox request
  • Radikal
    Radikal 19 November 2019 14: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: d.olegov44
    Quote: RUSS
    December 19, 2011 in Tuva, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin scored a crutch at the base of the new Kyzyl-Kuragino railway, which will connect the Krasnoyarsk Territory with Kyzyl and the Elegest field.
    But there is no road


    But that was a duck премиер Vladimir Putin, and he is another Vladimir Putin - president. The current Vladimir Putin was generally elected president in 2018 (just two years ago) and he got a lot of problems from the former president, he needs to be given time.

    Very subtle t-trolling - set-off! wassat good
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 19 November 2019 14: 04 New
    +3
    Mess ... Lavren Pavlovich would have lifted him in three days ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 19 November 2019 14: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Evil 55
      Mess ... Lavren Pavlovich would lift it in three days ...

      First, in a day I would lower all those who drowned him ...
      To be honest, I don’t even want to stir up this hopelessness ... Everything has been clear for a long time ... Specialists in the violation of TB.
    2. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 20 November 2019 09: 05 New
      +1
      Well yes. A bridge to the Crimea was built in 3 months. Total???
  • Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 19 November 2019 15: 08 New
    +3
    Of course they won’t! And they were beating and beating ourselves in the chest, saying that we would raise it, either for appearance or stupidity ... It was obvious that he was not just out of date (it’s not scary), but that his technical condition was none.
    Also, pure lies are that the dock there is interfering with someone. A year has passed - no problem, so what? He went to silt or something .... And there were people who believed in this mess and even said that it was necessary to raise, patch, brew. It’s not for them to work there later. Doc is not a ship, drowning fast.
    Another time will pass and then they will say that - "You’ll excuse me, but after he lay in the water for several years - the structure underwent severe corrosion and could not withstand the rise, and in addition it became unsuitable for further use."
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 19 November 2019 17: 33 New
      0
      The whole story with the dock and Kuznetsov is sabotage and betrayal ..
  • georggy
    georggy 19 November 2019 18: 18 New
    0
    The floating dock is not even mentioned in the funeral homes.
    For this, and drowned.
  • exo
    exo 19 November 2019 23: 11 New
    -1
    Quote: ochakow703
    So that crutch rotted long ago! It is necessary to beat a new one, so the lard for 10. Koresh will be mastered and sawed into light.

    As life shows: they will also award
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 20 November 2019 04: 58 New
    +1
    Raise, repair, restore, manage in 70% of the construction of a new !!! So, apparently, the documentation for the butchering is already available, but so far there is an "investigation" touching it !!!