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The Ministry of Energy of Ukraine said that the Russian Federation from 1 January 2020 could go on the "smuggling" of gas

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It became known about the reaction of the Ukrainian Ministry of Energy to the proposal of the Russian Gazprom to conclude a new contract for pumping and exporting gas from January 1 to 2020. Recall that Gazprom offered Kiev a one-year contract for a transitional period, while the Ukrainian authorities are trying to bring their legislation under the European one and divide Naftogaz into two parts: production and transportation. Gazprom also proposed to go global and abandon mutual claims in arbitration.


The head of the Ministry of Energy of Ukraine, Alexei Orzhel, said that the proposal coming from Russia was rejected, but he immediately added that the Ukrainian authorities "are ready to consider compromise options if Russia signs a long-term contract with Ukraine." What "compromise options" can be discussed when concluding a long-term contract, the official did not say.

This statement by Mr. Orzhel itself looks ridiculous in the first place for Ukraine itself. After all, official Kiev constantly says that it does not need Russian gas and provides its needs based on its own production and the “European reverse”. And if there is “no need” for gas from the Russian Federation for Kiev, then why does Ukraine need a long-term contract?

The other day, Vladimir Putin recalled that no "European reverse" for Ukraine exists by definition, since it does not happen that "gas flows in one direction on one side of the pipe and the other on the other." But Ukraine, apparently, happens ...

Another statement by Orgel is of particular interest and special emotions:

Russia can continue gas transit through Ukrainian territory on 1 on January 2020 of the year without a contract. Then we regard it as smuggling. And then there will already be other legal processes.

Thus, it becomes clear that delaying the conclusion of the contract is beneficial for Kiev itself (until the completion of the SP-2 construction), as the Ukrainian authorities hope that it will be possible to simply steal gas from the pipe, calling transit “Russian smuggling”.
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  1. Evil 55
    Evil 55 19 November 2019 08: 20 New
    +36
    It’s time to stop this Russian smuggling. Moreover, winter will end soon, and the SP-2 will be completed ..
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 19 November 2019 08: 38 New
      +25
      I agree to all 100%! No need to allow gas to smuggle. We are law-abiding people. No means no! The gates twisted, and alga ... Eat, do not slap tongue
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 19 November 2019 09: 02 New
        +23
        This spring, Deputy Foreign Minister of Ukraine Elena Zerkal called "Nord Stream-2" regular smuggling. laughing
        This country is incorrigible. It is necessary to demolish, level and build everything from scratch.
        1. businessv
          businessv 19 November 2019 09: 23 New
          +14
          Quote: Thrall
          It is necessary to demolish, level and build everything from scratch.

          Colleague, the last two actions are superfluous! Once they’ve built everything so that the country is one of the ten most industrialized countries in the world, they managed to destroy everything and turn into a colony of mattresses, so why waste resources again ?!
        2. Vladimir_6
          Vladimir_6 19 November 2019 09: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: Thrall
          Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Elena Zerkal

          Sorry, but I do not agree with you. Elena Zerkal is not a country. I think that it is necessary to demolish just all the "Mirrors". If this works out...
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 19 November 2019 10: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: Thrall
          Elena Zerkal called Nord Stream 2 a common smuggling business.
          This country is incorrigible.

          This country is simply illicitly illiterate when a person in the sovereign service cannot distinguish “God's gift from the scrambled eggs” and does not know the elementary basics. And how to work with you dear? Your figures, as they open their mouths, the Stone Age flies out from there. Well, at least Wikipedia was occasionally read before a performance. Just ashamed of Ukraine.
        4. Lelek
          Lelek 19 November 2019 20: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: Thrall
          Thrall

          hi
          By the way, things are slowly but stubbornly moving in the direction of the Kirdyk gas pipeline system of the former Ukraine. If she (Ukraine) does not stop behaving in a boorish way, then she will lose the free transit completely. SP-2 is on the verge of completion, and TP pipelines are already filled with gas. So scratch "mu-mu", svidomye.
      2. Geosun
        Geosun 19 November 2019 10: 08 New
        +2
        There is one little No. Gazprom is under a contract to deliver the required amount of gas to its consumers. That is, Gazprom is obliged to pump a contracted amount of gas into the gas system, for example, Hungary. And how to do it without the Ukrainian pipe and not ready "poktok"?
        1. NKT
          NKT 19 November 2019 11: 15 New
          +2
          Gazprom may try to buy a certain amount of gas in the spot market, so to speak, to take all its excess.
          1. Cheerock
            Cheerock 19 November 2019 11: 26 New
            +1
            Most likely they will. Prices are not high now.
    2. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 19 November 2019 08: 50 New
      +33
      Loud words about the Ukrainian people, which should not be offended, and we must try our best not to offend them, have long been used by hohlobander as a lever for mocking common sense! negative Maybe it’s already good to build a cash cow out of us, especially since she has an udder and isn’t enough for her people! And to stop dealing with this pseudo-page until its full recovery, or ...... request
      1. businessv
        businessv 19 November 2019 09: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Major Yurik
        , especially since her udder and her people are not enough!

        I agree with everything except this! It’s time for us to redistribute the costs in favor of the citizens of the country, and not temporary managers-effectors @ tzhers who withdraw funds abroad, therefore there are not enough money (funds)! hi
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 19 November 2019 11: 03 New
        0
        Quote: Major Yurik
        Maybe it’s already good to build a cash cow out of us, especially since she has an udder and isn’t enough for her people! And to stop dealing with this pseudo-page until its full recovery, or ..

        Normal, clever words were spoken by Yuri. These words should be conveyed by word of word V.V. Putin to every Ukrainian, (this does not apply to smart ones) and, first of all, to their illiterate rule .....
    3. Dmitry_24rus
      Dmitry_24rus 19 November 2019 09: 25 New
      +6
      Now quickly throw k.akashkami Ukraine on the site. Only transit will remain, we will continue to spit in the face of the Ukrainian "partners" ... And we will smother. It is a fact.
    4. Rostislav Bely
      Rostislav Bely 19 November 2019 10: 01 New
      0
      The funny thing is that this bubble (bluff) did not burst - and all because the sale of strawberries in Ukraine is a scam of the century on the agenda ... Even Poland pays emirs for LNG according to the “take or pay” scheme without building their own terminal. ..
    5. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 19 November 2019 11: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Evil 55
      It's time to stop this Russian smuggling.

      It's time to stop ukrobanda.
    6. Barmaleyka
      Barmaleyka 19 November 2019 11: 52 New
      0
      Quote: Evil 55
      and SP-2 will be completed ..

      and?!
      based on 2018 supply volumes, when using ALL pipelines, except for the Sumerian pipeline, we do not have enough capacity to pump gas
      1. Brturin
        Brturin 19 November 2019 12: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Barmaleyka
        based on 2018 supply volumes,

        2018 was a record. Gazprom itself predicts in its baseline scenario for 2019 a decline in exports to non-CIS countries to 194-198 billion cubic meters. He doesn’t forget that NOVATEK with its LNG, TONAP are launching (not so much, but ...), the same states with their LNG, in the long run, forecast gas consumption growth in Europe, but for the next year or two .... the truth is unpredictable factor - frost general ... wait and see
        1. Barmaleyka
          Barmaleyka 19 November 2019 14: 52 New
          0
          Quote: BrTurin
          up to 194-198 billion cubic meters

          all one 30-45 lard is not enough
          1. Brturin
            Brturin 19 November 2019 15: 03 New
            -1
            Quote: Barmaleyka
            all one 30-45 lard is not enough

            The Ukrainian GTS in 2018 is a transit of 86,8 billion cubic meters of natural gas. If
            us when using ALL pipelines
            SP-2 - 55 billion, 1 TP line 15 billion + Turkish consumption for the second TP line. The remainder is about 10 billion.
            1. Barmaleyka
              Barmaleyka 19 November 2019 15: 35 New
              0
              you knock ALL the numbers, the entire volume of supplies and vu throughput minus Ukrainian
              1. Brturin
                Brturin 19 November 2019 18: 26 New
                0
                Quote: Barmaleyka
                Knock ALL numbers

                And what to shoot down. SP-1, Blue Stream, Yamal-Europe both worked and are working, that in the record year 2018, that now, the variable factor is only Ukrainian transit - the numbers above are missing 10 mln efficiency. the cube is just the power of the first stage of TANAPa (TAP) for Europe (which starts in .2020). I wrote above that Novatek and the states increased LNG supplies to Europe, which is already creating difficulties for Gazprom (in April, Gazprom already accused Novatek of losses). Yes, and a small LNG plant in Vysotsk has already sent a fourth or fifth batch to the Lithuanian terminal, which one as well as a competitor. So if you add up all the existing ones and what I hope by spring, and by the summer + LNG + TAP will definitely be launched, then all this can cover today's needs, yes, I agree in the future, if demand in Europe grows ...
    7. Barzha
      Barzha 19 November 2019 12: 06 New
      +2
      winter will end soon, and SP-2 will be completed ..

      That's the whole point, that until 01.01.2020 SP-2 will not have time to put into operation. Alas! The United States and Ukraine won their small victory in this regard. That’s why Ukraine is becoming impudent now - they understand that this winter, transit through their gas transportation system cannot be avoided.
      But it’s always funny to watch how a fool, who considers himself very smart, is trying to deceive everyone. It always looks comical. What is the essence of the requirements of Ukraine under the transit agreement? They want a 9-year contract with an annual pumping of 56 billion cubic meters, with a contract of 60% of this volume. Those. the principle of "download or pay" ... With this contract, SP-2 turns into a useless structure. At least for the next 9 years. Because either Russia will simply have nothing to pump on it, or Russia will have to pay Ukraine for the un pumped volume. Russia has offered counter terms - “buy or pay” - for the same 9 years. Ukraine was invited to buy from Gazprom 35 billion cubic meters of gas per year with the contracting of the same 60% of this volume. But Ukraine does not want to! And the contract for a year of it, without any mandatory volumes, of course, does not suit her either, because nevertheless understands that in a year the Ukrainian GTS can be started to be disassembled and handed over to the recycler. And they, Ukraine, are threatening that if Russia does not accept their terms, they will sue and demand $ 14 billion as a "lost profit." Those. “if you’re buying products not in my store, but from a neighbor, then I will sue you and demand compensation for this” ... Well, plus to all the “gingerbreads” that they want for themselves under the agreement, they they don’t intend to make concessions on the ridiculous demands of the courts that they put forward to Gazprom.
      1. mig29mks
        mig29mks 19 November 2019 18: 30 New
        0
        The US is not in vain the Ukrainians chose us to drink blood, they will bring Russia to white heat! Will erase powder Russia Ukraine !!! "I gave birth to you, I will kill you !!!!
        1. Kazbek
          Kazbek 19 November 2019 21: 37 New
          -2
          Quote: mig29mks
          Will erase powder Russia Ukraine !!!


          * erase
    8. NF68
      NF68 20 November 2019 16: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Evil 55
      It’s time to stop this Russian smuggling. Moreover, winter will end soon, and the SP-2 will be completed ..


      And the Turkish Stream is also about to enter operation. The horses are another great joy.
  2. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 19 November 2019 08: 22 New
    +6
    Transit on gas going. Well, on all sorts of different cunningly muddy schemes, where are there without this ... There will be no transit, there will not be everything else. About this and fuss.
    1. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 19 November 2019 08: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      Transit on gas going.

      But what if without this. When a Svidomo Jew was born, he cried. To steal and take someone else's it from them is developed from the cradle. And they will steal, using forced pumping of gas for Europe through Ukraine.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 19 November 2019 08: 56 New
        +4
        Let the Moldovans now pay for the transportation of Russian gas through the VNA. These also really want to be independent
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 19 November 2019 12: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: 210ox
          Let Moldovans now pay for the transportation of Russian gas through VNA

          Firstly, Dodon - “I was informed that there was an agreement in principle at the level of Gazprom and Moldovagaz on the extension of the contract for the supply of natural gas from January 2020, ... the possibility of receiving natural gas at any point of delivery, including on the border with other states».
          Secondly, Ukrtransgaz modernized the Grebeniki gas measuring station in the Odessa region, which will allow for gas supplies from Moldova and Romania.
          so that there is a chance that not Moldovans will pay, but they will be paid for transportation .... there are suspicions that this gas will turn out to be a reverse of the Trans-Balkan pipeline from TP ... wait and see ...
      2. demo
        demo 19 November 2019 09: 00 New
        +4
        Why are we breaking spears?
        If Europe does not want to restrain unbridled watchdogs, then it is necessary to limit the responsibility of Gazprom to the border of the Russian Federation.
        Those. Is there gas at the pumping station from the Russian side?
        Pay.
        And go ahead.
        You yourself control how much was given into the pipe, how much came to the border with Europe.
        Losses - at the expense of the receiving party.
        Could it be so?
        To grow wiser.
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 19 November 2019 10: 21 New
          0
          Quote: demo
          Those. Is there gas at the pumping station from the Russian side?
          Pay.
          And go ahead.

          This alignment has always been welcomed by us.
          Quote: demo
          Could it be so?

          Europe does not want to get in touch with Ukrainian partners, should there be any shame in the territory of 404 their money can not be returned yes
          1. demo
            demo 19 November 2019 10: 30 New
            +2
            So this is what needs to be discussed.
            If you want gas, negotiate.
            Do not want to, remove the sanctions and untie our hands.
            But!!!!
            This will not happen as long as the "partners" of the West are in power in the Russian Federation.
            1. Dym71
              Dym71 19 November 2019 10: 36 New
              0
              Quote: demo
              So this is what needs to be discussed.

              Say there, don’t say, but they’ll throw one thing, so the Germans clung to the Nord Stream (plus the terrible state of the Ukrainian GTS) yes
        2. g1washntwn
          g1washntwn 20 November 2019 07: 13 New
          0
          Quote: demo
          If Europe does not want to restrain unbridled watchdogs, then it is necessary to limit the responsibility of Gazprom to the border of the Russian Federation.

          One “but” interferes - Ukraine is not ready to work on euronorms. And it will in every way slow down and evade, otherwise all the potential for the removal of the brain and a freebie under EU control will end.
          1. demo
            demo 20 November 2019 12: 43 New
            0
            Europe has enough instruments to instruct the "unreasonable child".
            Deny all Ukrainians (with Ukrainian passports) entry into the EU for 6 months.
            And the citizens present on the streets of Independence simply deported to their homeland.
            You look at the adequate reaction of these citizens (in the form of rallies of thousands under the walls of the Rada and government buildings) will begin to act soberingly.
            Stones, paint, Molotov cocktails - a small but effective set of influence on unreasonable politicians.
      3. Vladimir_6
        Vladimir_6 19 November 2019 10: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        When Svidomo Jew was born cried

        You are as if blind. Why all the people together called Svidomo? People like us. With its advantages and disadvantages.
        To steal and take someone else's, they develop it from the cradle.

        Controversial opinion. Look at what kind of struggle is going on for MotorSich. And someone created Ruslana.
        It is those who you claim to have "cried" for spread rot for those whom you call "Svidomo".
        And they will steal, using the forced pumping of gas for Europe through Ukraine.

        Again, those that are "svidomye" do not have dividends from pumping gas.
        They are removed just by those who “cry”.
        1. demo
          demo 19 November 2019 10: 41 New
          0
          All of you rightly say that.
          But somehow in my mind I moved towards "Svidomo", but I forgot about "normality".
          And, frankly, I don’t even want to change my point of view again.
          "The doctor said - to the morgue, then to the morgue. And no resuscitation!" yes
          Age s!
          1. Vladimir_6
            Vladimir_6 19 November 2019 10: 46 New
            -2
            Quote: demo
            And, frankly, I don’t even want to change my point of view again.

            Everything flows, everything changes. I believe that in Ukraine everything will change for the better.
            This would be a more significant victory for Russia than successes in Syria.
            Despite his age - 65 years.
            1. demo
              demo 19 November 2019 10: 50 New
              +1
              I wanted to answer - the hope feeds the young man!
              But then I realized that I was a little younger.
              Health to you!

              I honestly don’t believe it.
              And even if one imagines the offensive of peace and quiet on the other side, then five years of the operation of “possessed demons” - well, you can’t erase people's memory.
              "Klaas's ashes are beating in my heart."
              This is not possible to forget.
              Especially those who have lost their children, grandchildren, mothers, fathers.
              1. Vladimir_6
                Vladimir_6 19 November 2019 11: 03 New
                +1
                Quote: demo
                Health to you!

                Thank you and good health!
                This is not possible to forget.

                After the civil war in Russia, when they destroyed themselves, not much time passed and still managed to forget past grievances. They restored the destroyed and in the Second World War fought shoulder to shoulder.
                My dad was from Altai, and my mother was from Kharkov.
                So today it pains me to realize everything that is happening in Ukraine. Therefore, I hope for the best.
                Perhaps I wishful thinking.
                Time will tell.
                1. demo
                  demo 19 November 2019 12: 45 New
                  +1
                  I have everything from the Don.
                  But they were on one side of the barricades - for Soviet power.
                  But what you cited as an example is understandable enough.
                  All were divided into red and white. Well, not yet decided.
                  The majority of the losers were either emigrating or annihilated.
                  And those who made a deal with the Bolsheviks (the example of Marshal Shaposhnikov), although they died their own death, were always suspicious of them - an alien element.
                  Thousands of military specialists lay in the Kolyma land.
                  The level of public awareness was minimal.
                  And now, in the era of the Internet (and he remembers EVERYTHING), you can make lists of names with addresses, relatives, habits and inclinations.
                  Those. Awareness today can play a trick on everyone.
                  After all, "No one is forgotten, and nothing is forgotten" - remained relevant.

                  Substitute the right cheek, if received on the left - this is not about us.
                  If you respond to evil with good, then how do you respond to good? hi hi
                  1. Vladimir_6
                    Vladimir_6 19 November 2019 13: 18 New
                    +1
                    Quote: demo
                    I have everything from the Don.
                    But they were on one side of the barricades - for Soviet power.

                    Mine is also the proletariat. Dad participated in two wars. In 1929 on the CER, and 1941 - 1945 WWII. I did not fall under repression. He met on the service with Vasily Stalin.
                    The level of public awareness was minimal.
                    And now, in the era of the Internet (and he remembers EVERYTHING), you can make lists of names with addresses, relatives, habits and inclinations.
                    Those. Awareness today can play a trick on everyone.

                    That's for sure. Indeed, on both sides of today's "barricades" the highest professionals are serving, who very skillfully direct people's minds in the right direction. A lot of examples.
                    Substitute the right cheek, if received on the left - this is not about us.
                    If you respond to evil with good, then how do you respond to good?

                    Although I am a believer, I do not perceive this mandate either.
                    If we turn our cheeks, then who will protect the homeland? hi hi
                    1. demo
                      demo 19 November 2019 13: 30 New
                      +1
                      All perfectly.
                      Thank you for your understanding.
    2. Rostislav Bely
      Rostislav Bely 19 November 2019 10: 41 New
      0
      All this mutate until 2022 - when the Netherlands closes its Groningen field, which produced 2013 billion cubic meters of gas in 57, has for many years been the basis of the gas system in the north-west of the continent.
      The LNG market in Southeast Asia is 20% more expensive and the EU terminals (ports) operate at 50% capacity - the EU will not be able to compete and lose markets if it switches to LNG - so let them rub with their 3 energy packages - this is a bluff, they’ll feed less parasites "from the former socialist camp who ruined their industry ... here they have happiness as in a four-letter joke)))
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 November 2019 11: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      Well, on all sorts of different cunning-muddy schemes, where would it be without this ..

      Well, if the whole life of these people is built on scams and deceit, how to talk to them, if people in power are genetically determined to be scammers.
  3. Vladislav_2
    Vladislav_2 19 November 2019 08: 22 New
    0
    Turn around like in a pan laughing ... all the "help" are waiting and looking wassat
    1. Mylenef
      Mylenef 19 November 2019 08: 26 New
      +2
      Leave it alone, for which you are so alive and in the pan
    2. Sayan
      Sayan 19 November 2019 08: 44 New
      0
      Quote: Vladislav_2
      Turn around like in a pan laughing ... all the "help" are waiting and looking wassat

      I would say like a louse on a comb. The horror creature is harmless)))
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 19 November 2019 11: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Sayan
        I would say like a louse on a comb

        In the comb, it will slip, but not through the scallop.
  4. venik
    venik 19 November 2019 08: 24 New
    +9
    ".... since the Ukrainian authorities hope that it will be possible to simply steal gas from the pipe, calling transit" Russian smuggling ... "
    =======
    And why does not it surprise me ?? request
    1. demo
      demo 19 November 2019 09: 01 New
      +2
      IT no longer surprises everyone.
  5. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 19 November 2019 08: 24 New
    -11
    Well, as I understand it, Ukroine is primarily important TRANSIT. A source of constant and stable financial income. REVERSE, in this case, is also more likely not the correct wording. It’s just that gas is being purchased to Slovakia and Poland, from countries that don’t produce gas, so saying “Polish” gas is also not right. And in the gas pipe there is now not only GAZPROM and there are Norwegian and American shale ...
    Yes! The author outlined the problems of separation of a Ukrainian company, but said nothing that the same was required from our concern) ....
    1. Kamikadze19
      Kamikadze19 19 November 2019 08: 43 New
      +1
      Yes, with a fig, do we need to share something? Let the EU put it in one place
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 19 November 2019 08: 50 New
        -2
        Because we are the EU selling gas. If Australia blundered like that, then your words would be appropriate.
    2. demo
      demo 19 November 2019 09: 07 New
      +3
      By the way.
      Recently, figures were heard that the UA itself produces about 2 / 3 needs.
      But she needs Russian gas only in order to raise the selling price for its own population.
      Those. we have the following.
      We got our own gas.
      The cost of 100 rubles for 1000 cubes.
      Downloaded into the pipe.
      But they immediately declared that the consumer received gas from Europe, by reverse.
      For the price of Xnumx bucks.
      Catch the difference?
      One cannot dream of such profits.

      And Selyuki rejoice that they do not buy aggressor gas.
      Yes, you buy your own, dear, at the price of an American.

      Moderator !!!!!
      Give the opportunity to quote Lavrov!
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 19 November 2019 09: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: demo
        Give the opportunity to quote Lavrov!
        "[Quote from the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation] © Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation S.V. Lavrov."
        Ban for quoting an almost official statement by a state person in the execution of ...?
        1. demo
          demo 19 November 2019 09: 16 New
          +2
          The laws of the Russian Federation for the Minister of the Russian Federation are not written!
        2. venik
          venik 19 November 2019 10: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: Simargl
          "[Quote from the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation] © Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation S.V. Lavrov."
          Ban for quoting an almost official statement by a state person in the execution of ...?

          ========
          Not you first, not you last! I already have my own ogreb, using only uppercase letters with dots ......
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 19 November 2019 11: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: venik
            using only uppercase letters with dots ......
            I repeat:
            Quote: Simargl
            "[Quote from the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation]" © Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation S. V. Lavrov
            Everything else is free retelling.
            1. demo
              demo 19 November 2019 13: 31 New
              0
              I laughed!
              Cleverly invented.
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 19 November 2019 14: 17 New
                0
                Quote: demo
                Cleverly invented.
                I was banned for the old Russian version of the letter "X". Despite the fact that this means cross out, cross, etc. ... Freud forces some to find parallels with human organs and plants.
      2. volodimer
        volodimer 19 November 2019 09: 33 New
        +2
        Moderator !!!!!
        Give the opportunity to quote Lavrov!

        Van, support! At least [email protected] form. This is not a curse for the sake of cursing, it is a reference to the famous statement of a famous person.
        And sometimes, simply, you can’t say better!
      3. Antares
        Antares 19 November 2019 13: 29 New
        -1
        Quote: demo
        We got our own gas.
        The cost of 100 rubles for 1000 cubes.
        Downloaded into the pipe.
        But they immediately declared that the consumer received gas from Europe, by reverse.
        For the price of Xnumx bucks.

        I will support. The way it is. Mined for the hryvnia (the cost is several times less than the imported one) they are selling for dollars as if delivered from the EU, taking into account the transit fee from the Netherlands ...
        Scheme as with coal. Such grandmas never dreamed of. Naftogaz has ceased to be an unprofitable office.
        And to understand that this slows down the economy, since expensive gas is laid in the cost of production --- no one cares from the government.
        Salvage above the state. interests.
    3. garrett
      garrett 19 November 2019 09: 12 New
      +8
      And in the gas pipe there is now not only GAZPROM and there are Norwegian and American shale ...

      O RLY ??? Norwegian and Amer gas in the Ukrainian pipe ???? were you hiding from the rain at school ???? Do you really don’t understand that in the Pomary-Uzhgorod pipeline there can only be Russian gas and the pressure in it is pumped in only one direction ???
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 19 November 2019 09: 17 New
        -6
        Pamary - Uzhgorod? Are we talking about him or the EU system? And after Uzhgorod, the indicated ones pour into it. Can you separate our from import? And to prove that the neighbors paid with the EU country precisely for the Russian one? Selected - yes, Russian, and paid the EU.
        1. garrett
          garrett 19 November 2019 09: 30 New
          +1
          Are we talking about him or the EU system? And after Uzhgorod, the indicated by me pour into it

          Do you think that Ukraine takes gas from the European pipeline ??? or are you not writing about Ukraine ??? or what are you talking about?)
          1. NKT
            NKT 19 November 2019 13: 19 New
            0
            Ukraine from Slovakia can physically receive gas through the Voyany-Uzhgorod pipe. Gas may come to Slovakia from Ukraine, the Czech Republic and Hungary. It is clear that almost all Gazprom’s gas is there, but ....
            1. garrett
              garrett 19 November 2019 15: 38 New
              0
              It is clear that almost all Gazprom’s gas is there

              colleague, Duc, and I'm talking about)))
              Norwegian gas - tribaltics, Scandinavia, Britain
              usa - crumbs in general ... 2% of the European market
        2. demo
          demo 19 November 2019 14: 58 New
          +1

          Here, it is indicated in some detail where, what and where is going.
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 November 2019 11: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Yes! The author outlined the problems of separation of the Ukrainian company, but said nothing that the same is required from our concern)

      The difference of our concern is that it produces and sells its own. Do you still want to hang a "bunch of parasites and loafers" on one pipe?
      1. NKT
        NKT 20 November 2019 08: 41 New
        0
        They did just that with the oil pipe. There is a company Transneft.
    5. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 20 November 2019 00: 17 New
      +1
      OPEC data. Poland (2019) 5,794 billion cubic meters. “Polish” gas exists, but to what extent ... France 0,034, Austria 1,199, Croatia 1,691, Hungary 1,841, Italy 5,783, Germany 7,606, Romania 9,980 - opportunities for a “reverse” from the West ... Ukraine itself 19,271 hi
  6. Demon_is_ada
    Demon_is_ada 19 November 2019 08: 27 New
    +5
    Oh how belay Apparently they count on this, smuggling is usually confiscated. laughing Mother Usih nezalezhnykh Great Freebie calls her sons!
    1. mso.716
      mso.716 19 November 2019 08: 36 New
      -11
      Do not smuggle then nothing will be confiscated
      1. Andrey Chistyakov
        Andrey Chistyakov 19 November 2019 08: 39 New
        +6
        Quote: mso.716
        Do not smuggle then nothing will be confiscated

        Wait until January XNUMXst. Then talk about "smuggling" ...
        1. mso.716
          mso.716 19 November 2019 08: 52 New
          -10
          Let's wait .. But what, on January 1, all threads will work at full power?
          1. Andrey Chistyakov
            Andrey Chistyakov 19 November 2019 08: 53 New
            +3
            Quote: mso.716
            Let's wait .. But what, on January 1, all threads will work at full power?

            And we'll see. Not long left.
            1. mso.716
              mso.716 19 November 2019 08: 54 New
              -10
              Let's see, yeah.
              1. volodimer
                volodimer 19 November 2019 09: 46 New
                +1
                But should this concern us?
                As the Mountain Shooter wrote above:
                "We are law-abiding people. No means no! The gates twisted, and alga ... "
                Let Europeans rush about then. They should freeze. Although Gazprom insured to fulfill the contract for the supply of clogged storage in Europe to the eyeballs.
                And we say: We warned, you didn’t want to listen to us ... We tried to do everything so that there weren’t any such problems, you put us sticks in the wheels ... Now bear with us while we finish building.
                Well, or deal with 404 yourself.
            2. Simargl
              Simargl 19 November 2019 09: 39 New
              +2
              Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
              And we'll see.
              To spring.
              1. Andrey Chistyakov
                Andrey Chistyakov 19 November 2019 09: 41 New
                +1
                Quote: Simargl
                Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                And we'll see.
                To spring.

                I think the squeal will rise on January 2.
                1. Dym71
                  Dym71 19 November 2019 10: 40 New
                  0
                  Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                  I think the squeal will rise on January 2.

                  Pulls Brownian motion should begin earlier bully
                  1. Andrey Chistyakov
                    Andrey Chistyakov 19 November 2019 10: 41 New
                    0
                    Quote: Dym71
                    Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                    I think the squeal will rise on January 2.

                    Pulls Brownian motion should begin earlier bully

                    Probably.
                2. Simargl
                  Simargl 19 November 2019 10: 41 New
                  0
                  Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                  I think the squeal will rise on January 2.
                  So he is already.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 November 2019 11: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Demon_is_ada
      Mother Usih nezalezhnykh Great Freebie calls her sons!

      What a mother is, such are the children.
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 19 November 2019 08: 36 New
    +4
    The roasted beak has honed its rooster and has already entered ... the question is, who will it begin to beat?
    1. cniza
      cniza 19 November 2019 09: 08 New
      +4
      Everyone who hopes for a chance ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 19 November 2019 10: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: cniza
        Everyone who hopes for a chance ...

        Perhaps this is a lifesaver for the negligent, not very smart!
        Only she, like all other sticks, has more than one end! Surely after all, the other end will fly.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 19 November 2019 11: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          Only she, like all other sticks, has more than one end! Surely after all, the other end will fly.

          But the ovaries think that the stick has only one end. And this end lays them golden eggs.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 19 November 2019 11: 36 New
            +2
            Everyone is mistaken as he can / wants.
            1. cniza
              cniza 19 November 2019 21: 54 New
              +2
              Yeah, if you don’t read it grosser, everything is beautiful ...
  8. Fedorov
    Fedorov 19 November 2019 08: 38 New
    -1
    With such statements, Ukraine will soon go to ..opu. and a rotten gas pipeline gives cause. Do not ... sit on someone else's wobble.
    1. Sayan
      Sayan 19 November 2019 08: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Fedorov
      With such statements, Ukraine will soon go to ..opu. and a rotten gas pipeline gives cause. Neher sit on someone else's wobble.

      They are already there, in .... opera))) 5 years
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 19 November 2019 11: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: Sayan
        They are already there, in .... opera))) 5 years

        That's for sure, the "cow tail" is always more convenient to live.
  9. Antares
    Antares 19 November 2019 08: 41 New
    -10
    This statement by Mr. Orzhel itself looks ridiculous in the first place for Ukraine itself. After all, official Kiev constantly says that it does not need Russian gas and provides its needs based on its own production and the “European reverse”. And if there is “no need” for gas from the Russian Federation for Kiev, then why does Ukraine need a long-term contract?

    the author himself looks absurd if he does not know what transit is
    the contract is just transit
    January 1, 2020 begins the acute phase of the next gas war of the EU of Ukraine and the Russian Federation. Usually the EU was always on the side of Gazprom until 2014
    1. Andrey Chistyakov
      Andrey Chistyakov 19 November 2019 08: 46 New
      +9
      "Usually the EU has always been on the side of Gazprom until 2014"
      Is it true? And in 2009, who squealed that Russia is obliged to supply gas without problems? Not the Yavropa?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 19 November 2019 10: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
        "Usually the EU has always been on the side of Gazprom until 2014"
        Is it true? And in 2009, who squealed that Russia is obliged to supply gas without problems? Not the Yavropa?

        Geyropa, as always, will be on his side.
    2. V.I.F.
      V.I.F. 19 November 2019 08: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: Antares
      the contract is just transit

      Do not know - do not write. Prices are tied to this contract for Ukraine itself and much more.
      1. Antares
        Antares 19 November 2019 08: 58 New
        -7
        Quote: V.I.F.
        Prices are tied to this contract for Ukraine itself and much more.

        You can register prices. But the main value is the amount of transit.
        1. V.I.F.
          V.I.F. 19 November 2019 09: 03 New
          +7
          Quote: Antares
          the main value is the amount of transit

          The main value is the fertile Ukrainian land, which is polluted by dirty Muscovite gas through its shameless course.
          1. Antares
            Antares 19 November 2019 09: 12 New
            -10
            Quote: V.I.F.
            Quote: Antares
            the main value is the amount of transit

            The main value is the fertile Ukrainian land, which is polluted by dirty Muscovite gas through its shameless course.

            Well, these are already stamps.
            I pointed out that the author deliberately pretends that Ukraine is absurd, but not the interests of the Russian Federation and everyone else. Not specifying the main reasons.
            article level is extremely low.
            the author simply wrote base material, mixing it with a statement
            1. V.I.F.
              V.I.F. 19 November 2019 09: 26 New
              +3
              Quote: Antares
              pretends that Ukraine is absurd, but not the interests of the Russian Federation and everyone else

              Well, of course - this is all absurd, and Ukraine is not like everyone else - it is the last bastion of normality in this world. I don’t even argue with you.
              Would you like to talk about the convenience and beauty of embroidered shirts? About the unsurpassed taste of dumplings? Maybe about the beauty and identity of the ancient Ukrainian language? Or about the innermost - about fat - give in? I'm ready.
              1. Antares
                Antares 19 November 2019 13: 33 New
                -3
                Quote: V.I.F.
                Well, of course - this is all ridiculous, and Ukraine is not like everyone else - it is the last bastion of normality in this world. I don’t even argue with you.

                I voiced the interests of the parties! And not that Ukraine is better worse. They are all the same. What Ukraine that the Russian Federation that the EU What the United States.
                Quote: V.I.F.
                I'm ready.

                it’s convenient to speak with cliches of the information war in the topic of gas. Try more slogans. Judging by the minuses and pluses, people like it.
                Once again, the Gas War is a clash of interests between the Russian Federation and the transit countries and the buyer himself, the EU.
                most benefit the EU.
                1. V.I.F.
                  V.I.F. 19 November 2019 13: 48 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Antares
                  They are all the same. What Ukraine what the Russian Federation what the EU What the United States

                  Do not write nonsense. These are completely different forms of state formations and they cannot just be put on a par.
                  Ukraine is a powerless colony (you want a neocolony).
                  The USA is a neocolonial empire.
                  The EU is the youngest ally of the empire.
                  The Russian Federation is a strong independent state, one of the poles of the modern world order.

                  Quote: Antares
                  it’s convenient to speak with cliches of the information war in the topic of gas

                  It’s not us that we embroidered the cult of embroidered shirts, so there’s nothing to do with the information war - a simple statement of facts.

                  Quote: Antares
                  Judging by the pros and cons

                  People love the truth and hate lying.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 19 November 2019 13: 55 New
                    -5
                    Quote: V.I.F.
                    Ukraine is a powerless colony (you want a neocolony)

                    can you voice the signs of neocolonies?
                    Quote: V.I.F.
                    The USA is a neocolonial empire.

                    what are these and her signs
                    Quote: V.I.F.
                    The Russian Federation is a strong independent state, one of the poles of the modern world order.

                    who enters these poles (besides the Russian Federation?)
                    Quote: V.I.F.
                    People love the truth and hate lying.

                    only here is the truth and the lie - are you sure that you know for sure?
                    1. V.I.F.
                      V.I.F. 19 November 2019 15: 47 New
                      +2
                      Quote: atalef
                      l signs of neocolonies?

                      The fact that you need to explain something else here suggests that it is best to explain to you with pictures. In pictures, they say, information is more easily perceived by those who generally perceive information not easily:

                      This is the SBU:


                      And this is the Verkhovna Rada (we remove and take off our flag, put up the host’s flag):
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 19 November 2019 16: 35 New
                        -1
                        Quote: V.I.F.
                        Quote: atalef
                        l signs of neocolonies?

                        The fact that you need to explain something else here suggests that it is best to explain to you with pictures. In pictures, they say, information is more easily perceived by those who generally perceive information not easily:

                        This is the SBU:


                        And this is the Verkhovna Rada (we remove and take off our flag, put up the host’s flag):

                        Well, in general, when a visit of official delegations takes place, the flags of the second country are posted.
                        What is the problem ?

                        By the way, you did not answer the following questions.
                      2. xax
                        xax 19 November 2019 22: 44 New
                        +2
                        Quote: atalef
                        when a visit of official delegations the flags of the second country are posted

                        Over SBU? ))) There the delegation arrived, so it remained to live there
                      3. atalef
                        atalef 20 November 2019 12: 00 New
                        -1
                        Quote: xax
                        Over SBU? ))) There the delegation arrived, so it remained to live there

                        and what is still hanging?
                    2. V.I.F.
                      V.I.F. 20 November 2019 10: 20 New
                      +2
                      Quote: atalef
                      on subsequent

                      You first learn the answer to the first question. Then move on to the rest. Apparently, you tend to overestimate significantly your ability to perceive reality.

                      Quote: atalef
                      when a visit of official delegations the flags of the second country are posted

                      Truth? Above the parliament and the intelligence building? For a better assimilation of the material passed, we will conduct a small test.
                      Assignment: try to find a photograph in which at least one normal country would hang other people's flags over its parliament and the state security service building, having previously vacated the places on the flagpoles from its rag. According to the search results, describe in detail your impressions.
                    3. atalef
                      atalef 20 November 2019 12: 40 New
                      -2
                      Quote: V.I.F.
                      Assignment: try to find a photograph in which at least one normal country would hang other people's flags over its parliament and the state security service building, having previously vacated the places on the flagpoles from its rag.

                      yes any number.
                      Just be precise, not over the building, but over the entrance.
                      At the meeting of foreign heads, flags of the arriving party are hung out, even in the courtyard of the Kremlin, at least on the porch of the White House in Washington, at least in the residence of the President of France.
                      so offhand, didn’t even look especially

                      https://www.newstube.ru/media/kreml-priezd-glav-gos-v-sng-vnutrennij-dvorik-kremlya-flagi-stran-sng-pochetnyj
                      https://www.svoboda.org/a/29841377.html
                      https://st-s.pro/nashi-v-belom-dome-kak-proxodili-vizity-rossijskix-pervyx-lic-v-ssha/
                      rated impressions. Google to help and find everything.
                    4. xax
                      xax 21 November 2019 15: 46 New
                      +1
                      Quote: atalef
                      not above the building, but above the entrance.

                      Is it like half a bump, or what?

                      Quote: atalef
                      in the courtyard

                      Quote: atalef
                      in the residence


                      In the residence or in the courtyard you can at least hang a jolly roger. But to remove your flag and hang a stranger over parliament or the state security service is a reflection of the colonial position.
                    5. atalef
                      atalef 21 November 2019 19: 56 New
                      0
                      Quote: xax
                      But to remove your flag and hang a stranger over parliament or the state security service is a reflection of the colonial position.

                      Do you have a problem with reading comprehension, or does your vision problem with a photograph not convince you?
                      Not above, but at the entrance.
                      at the meeting of official delegations, this is absolutely normal practice in all countries.
                      Something I did not notice the absence of the Ukrainian flag, it is nearby.
                      develop your eyes.
                    6. xax
                      xax 24 November 2019 21: 39 New
                      +1
                      Quote: atalef
                      at the meeting of official delegations, this is absolutely normal practice in all countries.

                      Photo confirmation of which I ask you to provide. And you do not find - for some reason, post patios and residences. It turns out - not normal?
  • jonht
    jonht 19 November 2019 08: 55 New
    +5
    The author is simply aware that Gazprom uploaded an excess of its gas to gas hubs in the geyrop, in case it doesn’t work out with 404.
    And there is already freight for gas carriers for LNG from Yamal, in case there is a delay with SP2. Yes, they will lose a little in profit, but there will be a contact amount of gas in the geyrop. hi
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 19 November 2019 11: 31 New
    0
    Quote: Antares
    Usually the EU has always been on the side of Gazprom until 2014

    The EU has never been on the side of Ukraine, it was Ukraine under the EU, and the EU has its own interests, which it protects. (Do not confuse the respected Antares "God's commandments" with Ukrainian jokes.)
    1. Antares
      Antares 19 November 2019 13: 35 New
      -1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      The EU has never been on the side of Ukraine

      Did I write that the EU has supported Ukraine since 2014? They bend their own. Just before that, in gas wars, they supported Gazprom to a greater extent, for gas supplies are above all.
      But they want diversification of supplies. For there is already an alternative ..
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 19 November 2019 14: 03 New
        -1
        Quote: Antares
        But they want diversification of supplies.

        Lord If anyone knew what they generally want. I used to be occasionally, but a couple of times a month I watched a Ukrainian. TV and sites. But for three years now I’m not even getting close. They say (and shout) a lot and everything is about nothing.
  • Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 19 November 2019 08: 48 New
    +4
    No matter how much the rope does not curl, the end will be anyway. And before death, as you know, you will not breathe. Even gas.
    1. Horon
      Horon 19 November 2019 09: 34 New
      0
      Gazprom is everything ...? Dead?
    2. Horon
      Horon 19 November 2019 10: 00 New
      0
      Sorry! hi Wrong read, instead of the word "gas", read "gas"! Apparently not woken up yet! winked
      PS I can’t delete my previous comment, I reread it late! repeat
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 19 November 2019 11: 34 New
        -1
        Quote: Horon
        Sorry! Read wrong

        No, you read it right. Only as always, build a girl out of yourself.
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  • Guards turn
    Guards turn 19 November 2019 08: 53 New
    0
    "Thus, it becomes clear that delaying the conclusion of the contract is beneficial for Kiev itself (until the completion of the construction of SP-2), as the Ukrainian authorities hope that it will be possible to simply steal gas from the pipe" ... But when the thieves are going to in a limited space, they do not steal from each other.
    1. cniza
      cniza 19 November 2019 09: 07 New
      +3
      It goes without saying, but the main thing is that "reverse" will not be possible ...
  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 19 November 2019 08: 55 New
    +2
    Thus, it becomes clear that delaying the conclusion of the contract is beneficial for Kiev itself (until the completion of the SP-2 construction), as the Ukrainian authorities hope that it will be possible to simply steal gas from the pipe, calling transit “Russian smuggling”.

    With such statements, Ukraine drives itself into complete isolation, in Europe they understand that the actions of the Independent Square can lead to a pipe shutdown and a drop in gas supplies to Europe, which will clearly only strengthen anti-Ukrainian trends! And at least it does not seem logical to bargain any preferences from Russia without compromising.
    1. mso.716
      mso.716 19 November 2019 09: 00 New
      -6
      About how .To all, Russopatrioto shouted that since 1: January 20, there has been no transit through Ukraine, and now they see any compromises they needed)
    2. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 19 November 2019 09: 15 New
      +1
      The stronger chubat disgrace in the eyes of the EU, the better. Although, Europe already regrets having contacted these poor gophers
  • Moskovit
    Moskovit 19 November 2019 08: 56 New
    +4
    I remember the immortal:
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 November 2019 11: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Moskovit
      I remember the immortal:

      A freebie was born earlier than Adam and Eve.
  • cniza
    cniza 19 November 2019 09: 05 New
    +6
    since the Ukrainian authorities hope that it will be possible to simply steal gas from the pipe, calling transit “Russian smuggling”.


    They pursue this very goal, if there is no transit, they will simply freeze, because there was no reverse ...
  • Dmitry_24rus
    Dmitry_24rus 19 November 2019 09: 09 New
    -4
    Everything will become clear in January. Although I am sure transit will remain. We will continue to spit in the face, and we will continue to make crazy discounts and pay forfeits to our Ukrainian partners. Ready to argue for a million rubles.
    1. Maalkavianin
      Maalkavianin 19 November 2019 09: 31 New
      +1
      I agree. Most likely, gas will flow through Ukraine and will continue to do so. . And the government will cover the losses of the company from the budget. Will introduce some kind of special tax on minerals or something like that. I think so.
    2. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 19 November 2019 11: 09 New
      +2
      Europe is not for this stuffed their storage to capacity. The European Commission was also present at the trilateral negotiations, the EU clearly heard Gazprom and understands the degree of sanity for Ukrainian transit a little differently than the average people who use the media to blow anything into their ears, but not the transcripts of these negotiations.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 19 November 2019 09: 13 New
    -2
    Oh, those ,, sharovarniki ,, .. And they want to eat the fish and sit down on something ..-)
  • Guards turn
    Guards turn 19 November 2019 09: 18 New
    +4
    The construction of "SP-2" has all the signs of genocide, this dooms the whole country to the need to pay for gas, and not to smoke as before.
  • askort154
    askort154 19 November 2019 09: 45 New
    +2
    Crooked-headed and insatiable freeloaders, our neighbors, realizing that they are left with a "broken trough", are switching to threats and blackmail. And this is all from the powerlessness of his position.
    They understand that tryndets came to their theft and "bulling". As they say, "flew into the pipe." Not extended for a year - they will be left face to face with an empty, useless, rusty pipe.
  • Glenni
    Glenni 19 November 2019 09: 58 New
    +2
    Initially, Ukraine counted on squeezing the GTS. All these northerly flows and without supplies through the gas transportation system of Ukraine are either a fairy tale or a true story. Ears hung up!
  • Avior
    Avior 19 November 2019 10: 12 New
    -3
    .And if there is “no need” for gas from the Russian Federation for Kiev, then why does Ukraine need a long-term contract?

    This is a transit contract, not a purchase. As soon as the article is without a signature, so the pearls of journalism climb ...
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 19 November 2019 10: 26 New
      +10
      Quote: Avior
      It's about a transit contract, not a purchase

      One more time: without transit, you won’t have “reverse gas”. Since it’s not so reverse, as it turns out wink
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 19 November 2019 10: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Once again: without transit you will not have “reverse gas”.

        And to them do-bulbs, Naftogaz reported to the villagers that it was ready for winter as never before!
        So now, for a wider Ukrainian, it is exclusively a question of the survival of Europe laughing
        Greetings! hi
      2. Avior
        Avior 19 November 2019 12: 07 New
        0
        Similarly, Ukraine will now freeze.
        And so for the sixth year in a row
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 19 November 2019 19: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: Avior
          And so for the sixth year in a row


          The Minister of Energy of the former Ukraine notified the western regions of the blackouts after the New Year. A joker probably? And he did not ask, so-and-so, permission from the hetman to publish. bully
          1. Avior
            Avior 20 November 2019 10: 38 New
            +1
            yeah, the sixth year of blackouts went. all have frozen
      3. mso.716
        mso.716 19 November 2019 12: 26 New
        -2
        Who needs transit?
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 19 November 2019 10: 28 New
    -1
    Read another topic on the title page:

    And at all, that is, I absolutely do not want to discuss anything in it, except to send the Ministry of Energy of Ukraine and all its power to (I must add) ... lol
  • Elephant
    Elephant 19 November 2019 10: 31 New
    0
    Just the opposite. Russia has only goods, and transportation is carried out by the Ukrainian GTS. And who exactly will be involved in smuggling? Probably it will be the Ukrainian GTS!
  • kupitman
    kupitman 19 November 2019 10: 47 New
    0
    And why should Gazprom not bring gas in the LNG format until the completion of SP-2, even if it will be at a loss, but this is a temporary measure. You can even go to Kaliningrad. and then pump to Germany (if there is a transition).
    1. Antares
      Antares 19 November 2019 13: 37 New
      0
      Quote: kupitman
      And why should Gazprom not bring gas in the LNG format until the completion of SP-2, even if it will be at a loss, but this is a temporary measure. You can even go to Kaliningrad. and then pump to Germany (if there is a transition).

      not handle it. There are limits to acceptance. To increase, you still need to build terminals.
      1. Brturin
        Brturin 19 November 2019 14: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Antares
        not handle it. There are limits to acceptance.

        can you give figures how much are LNG terminals in Europe loaded now?
        “At the end of this year - beginning of next year, the fourth Yamal LNG line will be launched” - Novatek
      2. kupitman
        kupitman 20 November 2019 09: 39 New
        0
        It seems like European LNG is not heavily loaded 20-30%
  • g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 19 November 2019 11: 03 New
    -2
    Ukrainian authorities hope that gas from the pipe can simply be stolencalling transit "Russian smuggling."

    +5 For this they pull the cat for bells
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 19 November 2019 11: 11 New
    0
    This statement by Mr. Orzhel itself looks ridiculous in the first place for Ukraine itself. After all, official Kiev constantly says that it does not need Russian gas and provides its needs based on its own production and the “European reverse”. And if there is “no need” for gas from the Russian Federation for Kiev, then why does Ukraine need a long-term contract?

    absurd: it’s not about gas for Ukraine, but about
    conclusion of a new contract for pumping and exporting gas from 1 January 2020 year.

    And they need this money hoo!
  • plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 19 November 2019 11: 25 New
    +2
    You can’t add up gas without wood at logs .. and the absence of Ukrainian transit is a knife into Gazprom’s body ... a market loss of 70 billion. This is half of the trade ... so count those who have trump cards in their hands ... In Russia, export has 4 names ... gas. oil. wood and weapons ... the rest is in the error statistic ... The Lake cooperative considers losses ... old Kabaev has a bad dream ...
  • 23424636
    23424636 19 November 2019 12: 08 New
    +1
    Soros’s gang has occupied power in Kiev; he plays along with his brother-in-law Hasid Pinchuk, who sticks out $ 1.250 million to this old man. The fosterlings of the Soros-Vidrozhennya foundation, which bought the smartest small people from the country and charged evil against Russia with a flute of European values, caused and filled the power structures of this territory, for which the Russian warrior laid his head down for millions. . With such assholes, you need to act more cynically more impudently and not ask Michelle’s husband as a Russian to plow land in his field
  • Operator
    Operator 19 November 2019 12: 31 New
    +10
    There will be no pumping of Russian gas through Ukraine from January 1 to 2020 on January - Gazprom has created a sufficient supply of gas in European storages plus an increase in deliveries of Yamal liquefied gas to Europe by sea.

    Ukraine also does not need Russian gas supplies in the winter of 2020, since it has created an appropriate reserve in its gas storages.

    Gas shortages will arise in Europe and Ukraine only in the spring of 2020, but then Nord Stream-2 will be commissioned.

    Due to the limited possibilities for pumping gas through two pipelines (only to cover European needs), Ukraine will switch to its own biogas from March 1 to March 2020 laughing
    1. Antares
      Antares 19 November 2019 13: 39 New
      -1
      Quote: Operator
      Ukraine from March 1, 2020 will switch to its own biogas

      The current gas war is quite interesting.
      We'll see.
      Trumps are on each side.
      And there the Americans reach for their LNG.
      1. Operator
        Operator 19 November 2019 13: 50 New
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        In connection with the decrease in winter temperatures that have been going on for several years in North America, we are more likely to reach them with liquefied Yamal gas (transported by gas carriers under neutral flags) laughing ) than Americans to Europe.
  • gafarovsafar
    gafarovsafar 19 November 2019 13: 44 New
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    contract for a year with a waiver of claims. a year later sp2 will be completed with Turkish and Ukraine will remain with one waiver of claims. well, this is understandable but hardly feasible
  • Lelek
    Lelek 19 November 2019 19: 45 New
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    Russia can continue gas transit through Ukrainian territory on 1 on January 2020 of the year without a contract. Then we regard it as smuggling. And then there will already be other legal processes.

    Translated from surzhik: "step with your heels on your" tomatoes "and jump high." Famously. bully One should take into account the advice of their guarantors, to whom the Ruin is already a burden.
  • NF68
    NF68 20 November 2019 16: 12 New
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    Fools are getting richer in thought. From the beginning of the 2020 year on, this will turn out especially well. And the flag in their hands.