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The last parade in Brest

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A moment of history



And finally a few words about falsification stories and, in particular, the “Russian world”. It would be at least once to hear from the defenders of history their assessment of the joint parade in Brest in the 1939 year of the Nazi troops under the command of Guderian and the Stalin troops under the command of Krivoshein. After the joint occupation of Poland, this parade was what? History or its falsification?


The question is this: tough and specific. About the "occupation of Poland." The question is asked at the end of the wonderful article "The ambassadors are gone, but the Russian world remains." His next Belarusian oppositionist and columnist Vladimir Podgol sets him. And, therefore, he really wants to hear the "assessment." Asked - we answer. Only unexpectedly answer. Suddenly so, unpredictable.

The trouble of the author of the question is that he himself does not even understand what exactly he is asking. And the point is not that there was no "parade" and could not be (the Red Army was not commanded by idiots and they would never have decided on such an action). The problem is precisely the political orientation of the issue, which the author himself is not fully aware of.

After the 1939, Belarus was “stitched” in two pieces. This, sorry, is a historical fact. “In 1937-39, a project was developed and began to be implemented to transfer the capital to Mogilev, since Minsk was located 30 km from the border." These are our “pies”. The border passed close to the glorious city of Minsk. And then she was pushed back. In 39. And the BSSR has become much more. Naturally, the Poles could hardly have liked it. In Europe, there is not much free land in general, as Belarusian publicists think.

And, of course, the Poles inevitably had to have claims. It is clear that in the era of the USSR and Poland it was rather difficult to present them. But times are changing, “independent Belarus” appears on the map and ... and the full circus begins. He has repeatedly noted the complete and categorical lack of interest of the Belarusian leadership in army construction. And such construction is primarily money. We have to pay people, we need to buy equipment and fuel and lubricants for it, a lot of what is needed.

That is, the presence of serious expenditures on the army would drastically change both the structure of the budget and the standard of living in the "new, independent republic." The army is always very, very expensive. Lukashenko is a populist (initially). Therefore, such expenses were absolutely uninteresting to him. Talking about independence from a high rostrum is easy and enjoyable. To create a modern combat-ready army is long, expensive and difficult. Therefore, the army simply did not bother all these years (it simply did not fit into the "unique economic model").

But not only that. The "revision of history" and the exposure of "Soviet crimes" began. And here the very “pulp” begins. There was no Belarus before the BSSR. That's it. It’s almost like with Ukraine (but not like with Armenia!): The BSSR is a product of the work of Soviet politicians and cartographers. As, however, and the Ukrainian SSR. Such matters, no one is to blame.

“The second enlargement of the BSSR occurred on December 28 1926, when Gomel and Rechitsa counties of the Gomel province were transferred to it. As a result, the territory of the BSSR became 125 854 square. km, and the population reached almost 5 million people. " “A significant increase in the territory of Belarus occurred after the so-called The Red Army’s liberation campaign in Western Belarus, which began on 17 on September 1939 on November 2, passed the Law On the Incorporation of Western Belarus into the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and its Reunification with the Belarusian Soviet Socialist Republic. As a result, the territory of the BSSR increased to 225 600 square. km, and the population is up to 10,239 million people. "

(Wiki.)

Such things are: both the territory and the population of Belarus (namely Belarus, and what kind of wars did Belarus win?) After September of the 39, they grew almost 2 times! Interesting, huh? That is, the position of the modern Belarusian press, "condemning" the "attack on Poland", looks rather strange, if not wildly. By the way, officially “reunion” in Belarus is somehow not much celebrated.

We are all from the USSR


In general, the “rejection of the USSR” in the case of Minsk looks rather ridiculous. “Preserved industry” is the legacy of the USSR, and A.G. Lukashenko has absolutely nothing to do with her. It would be unrealistic to save something after 91 without the Russian market and Russian help.

But the territory of Belarus itself is a product of administrative (and foreign policy!) Decisions of the USSR. The position that “and so it is clear to everyone that this is all Belarus”, gives a frank naivete - the Belarusian army has not only won the war, but has not won a single battle and is unlikely to win one. An attempt to renounce Soviet history while preserving Soviet territory is a very dubious occupation.

Until the 91th border, the BSSR existed within the framework of a superpower. The borders of the BSSR were simply monstrously powerful, capable of erasing life on the planet (and more than once), and therefore they were indestructible. You get used to the good quickly. After 91, the situation turned around radically. The USSR is no more. And the Belarusian borders are no longer under the patronage of a superpower. It is unlikely that it will be possible to replace the Soviet nuclear missile potential with the shy smile of the head of the Belarusian Foreign Ministry, Mr. Makei.

At one time, the author of the book “Why Russia is not America” openly laughed at the then Russian concept of “Saints 90's,” that “all fools spend money on the army, and we are smarter than everyone, and we don’t need an army”, and “ Moscow intellectuals who believe that they own the resources of the Far East ”(an absolutely crazy idea). Answering that "there is no army - there are no resources" and "this world is rather cruel to the weak."

If anything, the issues of defense construction (and collapse) over the past 10 years have been actively discussed on the pages of the Russian press. VO is a prime example of this very trend. And this is not fashion, and not sophistication, not the desire to "play some tanks". It just dawned on people that without defense would not be nothing. When is the question of foot cloth vs. socks is becoming one of the main topics on a national scale, this testifies to a lot.

Aggressive imperial Russia as the antipode of a small European non-conflict Belarus is just a beautiful legend. And the Belgians, and the Dutch, and the Swiss, and the Danes simply had gigantic geopolitical problems with their neighbors. A well-fed and cultured European life involves periodic robbery and massacre of losers. It is simply that Belarus is actively “hiding” its own lack of independence and dependence on Russia.

Polesskaya Switzerland


At first glance, it’s like “almost Switzerland”, but if you take a closer look ... the Belarusian economy is not viable without the Russian market (no one is obliged to let Belarusians into it). Belarus is completely unsustainable without Russian oil and gas sold at a discount through pipelines. Belarus did not come close to creating a powerful, modern army capable of defending national borders. Excuse me, where is this “independence”?

“European and non-conflict Belarus” can exist only while “aggressive imperial Russia” feeds and protects it. But talking about it is "not accepted." In fact, the huge amount of hydrocarbons consumed by the poor and backward RB is a very valuable resource. And it is customary to fight for resources in this cruel world. What are the chances of Belarus in such a fight? For the markets, too, decided to fight. By the way, it was the struggle for raw materials and markets that caused two world wars (one of the main reasons). So what are the chances of Belarus to get markets and resources? On your own?

Within the borders of the Republic of Belarus there are neither sufficient resources for an industrial society, nor a large independent market, but the “preservation of these borders” is in itself a big and big question. This world is cruel enough to the weak. Alas. The fact that Belarus should be present on the map of Europe (and precisely in the borders where it is indicated today) is obvious only to the Belarusians themselves, but not to anyone else.

And the borders of France, and the borders of Turkey, and even the borders of Switzerland were determined in the course of numerous wars. More recently, we had an example of the defeat of the SFRY and the “division” of Czechoslovakia. None of those who talk about the territorial integrity of Ukraine, stutters about this in relation to Syria or Serbia. That is, the borders are quite mobile.



Little giant


Immediately after the Minsk talks on the Donbass, the Belarusian leadership was seized by megalomania in the field of “donation in the field of European security”. No, being a donor is good! It’s just great when you have this very safety, like shoe polish by Uncle Cat Matroskin. A small, poor and socially unstable Belarus, which does not have a modern army, cannot be such a donor by definition.

All propagandists of the concept of “donation” ignored the simple fact that without Russia and Putin no one would have gone to Minsk. The trouble with Belarusian politicians is that they constantly confuse their wool with Russian. Natural resources of Russia and the Russian market are the property of Russia, but nobody else. And all this has nothing to do with Minsk. The same applies to the military-political capabilities of the Russian Federation. Minsk-1 and Minsk-2 are a meeting of leaders of the "big" powers. And not because Minsk is “feyno mysto”.

The military-political capabilities of Belarus in the modern world are very small. And starting a conversation about the "Stalin crimes" and the "attack on Poland" is a very bad idea. Dangerous idea. Dangerous for the very “Belarusian statehood”. Why? Yes, a long time to explain. It turns out funny - the tail wags the dog: Belarusians have been interpreted for so long that Poland is good, and Russia is bad that this is already in complete contradiction with the preservation of Belarusian statehood.

“Creative salad is a sapper’s mistake.” Once upon a time, Belarusian elites came to a consensus that the ideology of Belarus should be anti-Russian. Well, without further ado ... what's next to us? Member of the EU and NATO - Poland! So Russophobian and propolian. Not by a great mind, by the way, this choice was made, because half of the territory of modern Belarus is precisely what took away the “bad” Stalin from the “good” Poland.

More than once or twice it was said that the gap with Russia is fatal for the Belarusian economy, but for the Belarusian geopolitical model it is fatal. To preserve the territorial integrity of the Republic of Belarus, there can only be one ideology: Stalin is good, September of the 39 is good, the Red Army is just great. Molotov - Ribbentrop - a wonderful treaty! Or big questions arise. Serious questions. And the questions are to Minsk (RB is an independent power!), And not to Moscow (Russia does not have territories obtained under the Covenant).

Sudden solution to complex problems


And it seems that Belarusians do not fully understand the seriousness of the situation. It's like with 10 billions of dollars of compensation for Russian tax maneuver. The Republic of Belarus suddenly wanted to receive 10 billions of Russian money just like that: right away and for beautiful eyes. That is, the country is as if independent, but for some reason Russia was supposed to finance it. The Belarusian approach is interesting: talk about the tax maneuver, preparation for it and its implementation has been going on for a very long time.

But until the last moment Minsk pretends that “independent Belarus” is not very interesting. And literally at the last moment they are with honest eyes require 10 BILLION. And no politics - so, a petty economic issue. As we know, the war in Syria / in the Donbass rumbled in parallel with the preparation of this very tax maneuver. In one country and another, official Minsk maintained freedom of hands and distanced itself from Russia (we are an independent country and we ourselves determine our foreign policy!). And then suddenly: uncle, give ten billion!

With 40 fighters it was about the same thing when (and only when) the collapse of the Air Force and Air Defense of the Republic of Belarus became quite obvious: uncle, give 40 fighters! That is, the “secret” of the sovereignty of the Republic of Belarus is the ability to “competently” work with “external resources”. And no one as a result of asking: “What is the matter with the army?” People are interested in the free transfer of “Sushki”. In economics? People sit and work hard waiting for 10 billions of “compensation”.

I’m afraid that the issue of ensuring the “inviolability of the Belarusian borders” is a one-on-one situation. Until the last moment, there will be intrigues, provocations and completely suicidal policies, and at the last moment ... Russia is obliged to "flee and save everyone." "And we thought we were allies." Such a magic phrase.

“Donbass option”, it just takes place to be in the case of Belarus. By the way, the author did not immediately understand this, because it is not from Russia. But from the Polish side - quite (that is, rather Romanian-Moldavian) ... As you know, young Belarusians get a so-called “Pole map” in bulk, while this does not bother the state bodies of “independent RB”. The press press constantly writes about the threat posed by “imperial Russia”, but about Poland, it’s only good. Not quite, you know, it is clear what the Belarusian authorities want to achieve in this way.

In the conditions of the collapse of the Belarusian economy and the categorical unpopularity of the Belarusian political system. And if you add to this the persistent and frankly anti-state propaganda about the attack in the 39 of “bad Russia” on “good Poland”, then the picture of years through 5 will be just hellish. Lukashenko’s regime is not considered legitimate in Europe and especially in the USA. "The last dictator of Europe." Which means that, in principle, любые anti-Belarusian actions will be supported by the West if necessary.

How it will look, we can see on the example of Syria, Libya, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Ukraine. No illusions - due to the illegitimacy of the regime, Lukashenko, in which case there simply will not be diplomatic means of struggle. The head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Belarus, Mr. Makei, can make a very serious person, but little depends on him in terms of the country's security. For some reason, Belarusians are actively instilled with unreasonable illusions that their country is something like Finland or Austria.

The “interesting” approach:
“Well, you don’t want a war?”
- We do not want!
- Do you want to live in Finland or Austria?
- Highly!

Pink dreams and lead gray reality


You can want anything, it does not affect reality in any way. Belarusians can live as much as they like in some kind of “virtual Austria”, but with the very first salvos of a new war all illusions will collapse (as hopes for a kind of “unique social state” collapsed). If anything, then the Yugoslavs were completely neutral and did not want to fight with anyone. If anything, Poland and Belarus are completely incomparable in all respects. To begin with, the Poles have an army. Large and modern (compared to Belarus). Poland is a full member of NATO and the EU and "a privileged ally of the United States in Eastern Europe." And her economy is not a couple of Belarusian. And (like a cherry on the cake!) Young Belarusians dream of a “map of the Pole”.

You know, as they say, there is no need to look for malicious intent where everything is explained by something else. The basis of the economy of independent Belarus were made by Soviet industrial giants and Soviet collective farms. In state property. For 25 years, huge money was pumped into them, but they never gave a return. But was it done from evil? They simply didn’t know how or didn’t want to. And even when the dead end (the boundary of 00's and 10's) became obvious, they did not change anything. And then from a "independent country" suddenly sounds a "request" (very similar to the demand) for 10 billions (otherwise there is already famine and collapse).

Something similar seems to be happening with geopolitics. People simply don’t understand the consequences of their decisions, and they won’t understand them until they’ll get into them, and then it will be too late. It’s like after the 91, in Poland, Lithuania, Russia and Ukraine, privatization and the transition to a market economy are underway. In different ways and with different results ... but Belarusians from the 94 year are sitting and waiting for something. Quarter of century. Despite the fact that all neighbors are moving away from the state model of the economy. All without exception. And the Belarusians all this time sat and waited for something ... and then suddenly showed up ...

But literally until the very last moment, Belarusian politicians and commentators made very smart faces when they talked about their “unique economic model”. The situation with the “unique geopolitical model” is somewhat similar. The Belarusian leadership (without abandoning the Union State and the Collective Security Treaty Organization) almost openly announced through the lips of Mr. Makei (Foreign Minister) to the city and the world of their “neutrality”. At the same time, the Poles and the Americans are moving troops east ... in parallel with this, the Belpress press openly discusses “Stalin’s aggression against the Polish Republic” and the “Molotov-Ribentropp criminal pact.” And in parallel with this, the same press openly spat upon modern Russian and “non-modern” Stalinist policies.

You know what's the funniest thing? At the same time, Belarusians for the most part are absolutely convinced that they personally are not in danger. At least from the West.

The last parade in Brest
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  1. Far B
    Far B 20 November 2019 06: 10 New
    +17
    The feeling that the author has some special scores for Lukashenko.
    Does the official press in Belarus overshadow the Soviet past? I hear it for the first time. Zmagarskaya - easy.
    Lukashenko populist (originally)? What is this place? He kept the largest enterprises automobile and tractor plants in a very modest country for resources in very modest economic conditions. If he were a populist, the economy of Belarus would have long since collapsed into a house of cards.
    And the fact that the Old Man spins with a weather vane, just says that he is primarily concerned about his state. Belarus has modest possibilities, and, as they said in one famous film, “if you want to live, you’re not getting so excited”.
    As for the construction of a powerful modern army - and why the heck ??? Belarus, whatever the author may think, is still the closest ally. It’s the same as Canada suddenly engages in an arms race on a par with the United States. Canada does not need this why - it is already under the wing of the minke whales. Moreover, Canada still has some economic opportunities, unlike Belarus.
    But the fact that our greedy raking grabbers more than once laid eyes on the same BelAZ, Belaruskali and so on is a fact. And give them free rein - they will gobble up, and then the same thing will happen to them as with our ZIL and a bunch of the largest enterprises. Does Lukashenka need it?
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 20 November 2019 06: 39 New
      +11
      Quote: Far In
      The feeling that the author has some special scores for Lukashenko.

      Mr. (or comrade - like whom) Egorov wrote about RB for a long time, methodically and purposefully. Just for some reason, nothing good. smile It forms, so to speak, the desired image. God be his judge. Time will put everything in its place. hi
      1. 210ox
        210ox 20 November 2019 06: 46 New
        -5
        Well, he fulfills the order. Or has interest. In general, I don’t want to comment on such articles.
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 20 November 2019 06: 49 New
          -10
          I have not seriously commented on this for a long time. hi
          1. Victor N
            Victor N 20 November 2019 10: 09 New
            +12
            Yes, so many naive analysts are astounding! Lukashenko himself completely discredited, brought the economy to collapse, forms Russophobia .... Open your eyes!
            1. krot
              krot 20 November 2019 15: 34 New
              +2
              Every year I go to Belarus and I don’t hear any Russophobia at the level of human communication with any residents! Similar articles appear both on our side and on Byelorussia by obvious order .. Well, such friendship of peoples is not beneficial for the Anglo-Saxons ..
              1. Victor N
                Victor N 21 November 2019 08: 55 New
                +4
                Yes, it’s not about peoples, but about one people and the leadership of Belarus.
              2. james
                james 22 November 2019 16: 33 New
                0
                https://news.tut.by/culture/661979.html
                read forums
              3. 1536
                1536 30 November 2019 09: 22 New
                0
                The friendship between peoples is determined, unfortunately, in the end, not by the people, but by the state in which they live and the government of that state. But governments that are beneficial to the "Anglo-Saxons", as you say, very skillfully and at the right time come to power in various countries with enviable regularity. For this, bloody coups d'etat are not needed - this is absolutely for the "frostbitten" comrades. And so, to bring “carrots” to the country with a quiet glander, but so that it wouldn’t be enough for the carrots, but only to the “chosen ones,” and things will go like clockwork.
            2. ser56
              ser56 20 November 2019 16: 03 New
              +9
              Quote: Victor N
              Open your eyes!

              They do not want, until there will be Ukraine -2 .... everything goes to this ... request
      2. Olezhek
        20 November 2019 08: 47 New
        +15
        Mr. (or comrade - like whom) Egorov wrote about RB for a long time, methodically and purposefully. Just for some reason, nothing good


        Is there something good?
        In terms of relations between Belarus and the Russian Federation?
        Tell me.
        1. A.Lex
          A.Lex 20 November 2019 12: 36 New
          +7
          Comrade the author, basically - I agree ... Except for one - you say that
          all the neighbors are moving away from the state model of the economy ... to a market economy.
          But is it not in vain? After all, the same Yankees perfectly rule at the state level (controlling the largest corporations on their territory through the shells), sucking in to everyone else (also through the shells (we have all kinds of chubaysyatina)) about the "free, self-regulating market hand."
          In the USSR, it was not in vain that they did not trust all these "self-regulation". It was not for nothing that it was said that self-regulation is a well-prepared, planned and provided work. those. - system. Tell me - who can organize a powerful system (all the more self-regulating) if not a state? And all the tales of the "market" - this is just tales ...
          1. Olezhek
            20 November 2019 13: 09 New
            +5
            Comrade the author, basically - I agree ... Except for one - you say that
            all the neighbors are moving away from the state model of the economy ... to a market economy.
            But is it not in vain? After all, the same Yankees perfectly rule at the state level


            Market economy - it is certainly rather filthy
            but after the collapse of the Eastern bloc - the only option for survival
            Here, as they say, not to fat.

            Lukashenko decided to maintain a quasi-Soviet economic system within the framework of Belarus with a political orientation to the West
            Is it all real?
            At least 5 percent?
            1. A.Lex
              A.Lex 20 November 2019 13: 18 New
              +3
              Lukashenko decided to maintain a quasi-Soviet economic system within the framework of Belarus with a political orientation to the West
              Is it all real?

              Of course not real! But do you completely reject the planned economy? Strange ...
              China, it seems not quite market ... Yes, and America. it’s like, too, in full control of corporations (sort of like market structures) at the state level, especially when it comes to STATE interests of the Yankees ...
              1. Fraracol_2
                Fraracol_2 21 November 2019 17: 28 New
                +1
                And then what kind of China? Do you naively believe in all these political fake attributes?
            2. lev1759
              lev1759 20 November 2019 13: 49 New
              +10
              Lukashenko decided to maintain a quasi-Soviet economic system within the framework of Belarus with a political orientation to the West
              Is it all real?
              At least 5 percent?


              Well, if you sit on the neck of Russia, it’s very real. And not by 5 percent, but much more ....
            3. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 20 November 2019 23: 26 New
              0
              "Market economy" = a market (business corporations, oligarchs ...) which "roofs" the state. Example: USA - D. Trump bully travels all over the world and sells products from the usa (recall the Pennsylvania coal, LNG from the usa, weapons for Saudi Arabia ...)
        2. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 20 November 2019 16: 34 New
          +2
          What can be common between two capitalist states? People? Yes! Interests? Yes! (Each has its own). And the union of two cap. states is possible only on money! Pragmatic and mutually beneficial. All. The people were separated (many times), drove through the ears, that Russia is to blame for everything ?! Yes! In a situation of a donor and an acceptor, both the donor and the acceptor are to blame. The donor that was engaged (his own all the same, yes, you can stir up commerce), the acceptor simply decided to throw and blackmail. Politics and greed. All. Nothing good will end anyway, they will not allow it.
      3. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 20 November 2019 09: 00 New
        +7
        Quote: Rurikovich
        Quote: Far In
        The feeling that the author has some special scores for Lukashenko.

        Mr. (or comrade - like whom) Egorov wrote about RB for a long time, methodically and purposefully. Just for some reason, nothing good. smile It forms, so to speak, the desired image. God be his judge. Time will put everything in its place. hi

        Basically the promise that Yegorov is wrong?
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 20 November 2019 07: 45 New
      +19
      The impression is twofold. Of course, you are right in many ways.
      But an ally vane? Who would wish such a thing? This gives him the status of situational.
      I would like more reliability and prospects for such a relationship.
      1. Far B
        Far B 20 November 2019 07: 51 New
        +1
        Well, it’s weather vane just on the economic field. In terms of military cooperation, weathervanes are somehow imperceptible (except for the refusal to place the base). The largest joint exercises take place over and over again. In the end, But father cannot but understand that Poland has the main territorial claims against Belarus. At the very one that is hoarse it is being bent towards Russia.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 20 November 2019 08: 08 New
          +12
          In politics, in my humble opinion, one should never rely on the fact that, he says, "he cannot but understand." As history shows can. Maybe this way and that. And it may turn in five years in a way that no one could have imagined.
          You always need to calculate the pessimistic options for the development of events and have an action plan for this case.
          Perhaps it seemed to me. I admit that the Old Man did not flirt with fashionable national trends. But we must always think about tomorrow and have a reserve for working with its receiver.
          The assumption looks very sensible that the method of conducting a political dialogue with Russia will continue even if it gives a result. Is this good for relations between two fraternal peoples? Not sure.
        2. Flooding
          Flooding 20 November 2019 08: 45 New
          +1
          Of course, I did not mean the receiver, but the successor))
        3. A.Lex
          A.Lex 20 November 2019 12: 42 New
          +7
          Michael, in terms of what military cooperation? Tell us at least ONE military operation in which Belarus participated in the UNION with the Russian Federation?
          1. Fraracol_2
            Fraracol_2 21 November 2019 17: 30 New
            -3
            And what kind of operations do you mean?
            1. Captain45
              Captain45 21 November 2019 18: 45 New
              +3
              Quote: Fraancol_2
              And what kind of operations do you mean?

              Yes, it’s not necessary and no one asks to send the Belarusian contingent to Syria, just at least recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia, not to mention the Crimea. An ally, damn it, strategic, so to speak member ... CSTO.
        4. Olezhek
          20 November 2019 13: 23 New
          +6
          Well, it’s weather vane just on the economic field.

          This is with a fright?
          No one except Russia provided him with any money and no markets.

          In terms of military cooperation, weathervanes are somehow imperceptible


          And there takes place to be a completely "independent" (pro-Western) policy.
      2. Olezhek
        20 November 2019 08: 48 New
        0
        The impression is twofold. Of course, you are right in many ways.
        But an ally vane?


        These are Belarusians. This is normal for them today.
        The psychology is like that.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 20 November 2019 09: 02 New
          +1
          Dear Olezhek,
          you managed to make a system error in three sentences.
          Belarusians are not “today,” they are forever.
          That is why there is a big contradiction between “this is Belarusians” and “it is normal for them today”.
          1. Olezhek
            20 November 2019 09: 16 New
            +9
            Belarusians are not “today,” they are forever.


            Dear Navodlom
            In the 40 years, Belarusians were a slightly different people.
            And Masherov is far from Lukashenko.
            People change over time, peoples too
            Compare the Japanese 30's / 40's with modern ones.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 20 November 2019 09: 20 New
              +5
              That is why I am against such an inappropriate explanation of "these are Belarusians."
              Explain current issues in relationships with national circumstances?
              Dismiss
            2. Edmond dantes
              Edmond dantes 23 November 2019 16: 52 New
              0
              There is not much difference, as they were cruel perverts, they remained. As the slaves of the "samurai" remained.
        2. Gost2012
          Gost2012 20 November 2019 14: 44 New
          +3
          Put +, however, for the sake of justice, I must say - this is not normal for everyone, and not all have such a psychology.
          I agree with the article in many ways, I look from the inside.
      3. Lelek
        Lelek 20 November 2019 12: 39 New
        +7
        Quote: Flood
        But an ally vane? Who would wish such a thing? This gives him the status of situational.

        hi
        Belarus is a kindred country to us, but the behavior of the ruling elite gives rise to many doubts. The Permanent Declaration that Russia SHOULD then owe it, but is silent about its own debts:

        In addition, following the path of neighboring former Ukraine in terms of flirting with an aggressive “opposition” can play a trick on the Arab League itself and the country as a whole, and transporters and banners with Nazi symbols at marches and gatherings are not uncommon.
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 26 November 2019 04: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: Lelek
          In addition, following the path of neighboring former Ukraine in terms of flirting with an aggressive “opposition” can play a trick on the Arab League itself and the country as a whole, and transporters and banners with Nazi symbols at marches and gatherings are not uncommon.

          It is doubtful that Belarusians in the same scenario will begin to sit out like hataskrayniki vna !!! wassat wink wink good good good
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 20 November 2019 08: 08 New
      -4
      This is what I just ... Solovyov read ?! At the beginning of the article there was a specific question "was there a joint parade in Brest or not?" The author, completely ignoring him, embarks on a historical jungle about redrawing the map of Europe in the last century.
      1. A.Lex
        A.Lex 20 November 2019 12: 45 New
        +4
        For those who run diagonally through articles:
        And the point is not that there was no "parade" and could not be (the Red Army didn’t command at all and they would never have decided on such an action).

        .............. here you have the wilds ........... if you undertake to discuss - read carefully ...
      2. oracul
        oracul 21 November 2019 08: 00 New
        +5
        As you know, the Germans occupied Brest, but were forced to leave under pressure from the USSR. So that it was not a parade of allies, but a change of guard. But the fact that Ukraine and Belarus have significantly grown territories, while Russia does not, it is a fact.
    4. EvilLion
      EvilLion 20 November 2019 08: 25 New
      +12
      Rygorych just said that Belarus participated in other people's wars, including the Second World War. It is not necessary to nod at ZiZ, it must die for objective reasons, but I would look at what successes at BELAZ. I have not seen MAZs on the roads for a long time, it turned out that everything is so-called. “preservation” is just use of the Russian market. Well, we have KAMAZ and Ural.

      But you lie further, which RB and Prince Alexander I are good.
      1. Far B
        Far B 20 November 2019 08: 40 New
        +1
        And why would they not use the domestic markets of Russia and Kazakhstan, if the Eurasian Economic Union and other joys ??? Something I did not understand your thought. Have you seen MAZs on the roads? Because Chinese Hovo is cheaper, the management of the mines likes to buy them. True, the devils break down, constantly, their carriers are obscured by how much in vain, but management buys - it's cheap!
        KamAZ, by the way, doesn’t run much in mines either. I’m silent about the Urals.
        Have you also seen Belarusian tractors in the fields? What about the Russians?
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 20 November 2019 08: 50 New
          +14
          On the roads there are KAMAZ trucks and foreign cars, also GAZ cars. The Urals are mainly in the army, and it is not comparable with KAMAZ. As for the EurAsEC and other things, Yegorov says just that, when the Republic of Belarus is profitable, it is inside all of these structures and even Russia, when it is not profitable and it is also necessary to contribute something, then it does not suddenly provide sovereign and even formal support to the Russian Federation . Sorry, but either underpants or a cross.
        2. ZAV69
          ZAV69 20 November 2019 09: 59 New
          +9
          And what does the mines have to do with it? There are no mines in the Tula region, there is a career. There are no gaps, only old ones still come across. There are Volvo, mans, scania. Full of new KAMAZ. Belarusian tractors? There are times of the USSR, I have not seen new ones.
        3. A.Lex
          A.Lex 20 November 2019 12: 50 New
          +1
          Michael.
          And why would they not use the domestic markets of Russia and Kazakhstan, if the Eurasian Economic Union and other joys ??? Something I did not understand your thought.
          We explain to the solid with a simple proverb:
          Don’t spit in the well, bastard, - then you yourself will have to slurp from there!

          Or do you always, that after you shower us ... r, say thank you, and even give a small denyu?
        4. anykin
          anykin 20 November 2019 13: 48 New
          -1
          Quote: Far In
          And why would they not use the domestic markets of Russia and Kazakhstan, if the Eurasian Economic Union and other joys ???

          "Belarus’s own-set barriers to trade do not interfere"
          https://www.ritmeurasia.org/news--2019-10-29--sobstvennoruchno-ustanovlennye-barery-torgovle-belorussii-ne-meshajut-45654?utm_source=finobzor.ru
        5. Warrior Hamilton
          Warrior Hamilton 20 November 2019 13: 59 New
          +2
          Prior to decommissioning, "hova" more than pays for itself! The Chinese also rumble in parts for Kamaz, because they themselves stamp them. But KAMAZ and the spare parts for it for the CIS are not very cheap .... The Hova is heavy-load and spare parts are available, it’s inexpensive ..... so that - fellow , although it is a shame for the domestic auto industry .....
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 20 November 2019 20: 26 New
            +3
            Quote: Warrior Hamilton
            although the domestic auto industry is a shame .....

            Yes, Kostya, it's a shame. Especially in light of the fact that in wartime, all automobile production was shifted to the production of armored vehicles.
            1. Warrior Hamilton
              Warrior Hamilton 20 November 2019 20: 39 New
              0
              Our fate is this - whatever they do, it turns out KALASH ...... laughing hi
          2. Far B
            Far B 21 November 2019 01: 41 New
            -3
            You this fellow tell the drivers. I'm afraid they are to you angry will arrange)))
            As part of the "pays off" - Well, I said that managers love Hovo very precisely for its cheapness. But the managers do not sit behind the wheel, do not pick their fingers in the engine and hodovka.
            1. Warrior Hamilton
              Warrior Hamilton 21 November 2019 11: 15 New
              +1
              I know at least a dozen people who have HOVO on lease or are engaged in private transportation of goods. Yes Hovu buy for cheapness about what I said. It’s hard to buy a truck and keep it yourself, because he should feed you. Kamaz on all these issues is an expensive toy, especially if you yourself have to restore it. About: manager, steering wheel, engine, hodovka and poking around - this is there, someone ....... I do not need ......
              As part of the "pays off" - Well, I said that managers love Hovo very precisely for its cheapness. But managers don’t sit at the steering wheel, don’t poke around in the engine and hodovka. [/ Quote]
              [quote = Far B] You tell the carrier this. I'm afraid they will suit you)) [/ quote]
              And those who supposedly would suit me there, at the time of my youth, at the beginning of the seventies, we called the name of a certain sea-river bird ..... And now ... I’m not solid somehow ... .. hi
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 20 November 2019 08: 43 New
        +3
        Quote: EvilLion
        Belarus participated in foreign wars

        For a long time, everything has been chewed, Medvedev and “our” media have taken words out of context and misinterpreted.
        “The reaction, I must say, is very unexpected - and its surprise lies in a complete distortion of the essence,” a spokeswoman for the president of Belarus told RIA Novosti.
        “Everything is very clear: speaking about this, the president had in mind that enough had fought - both Belarus and Russia!” Nevertheless, since the topic has developed, I cannot but note a few points, ”the agency’s interlocutor said.

        Quote: EvilLion
        Well, we have KAMAZ and Ural.

        Urals are only in the army, KAMAZ is losing the market and is slipping into screwdriver production. And the "newest" KAMAZ truck tractors on 90% Mercedes Actros, moreover, of the previous generation. MAZ makes its cars.
        For tractors - wheeled tractors Belorus in Russia generally have no domestic competitors.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 20 November 2019 08: 52 New
          0
          Well, come on, tell me how bad it is for me, how bad KAMAZ is, and what MAZ is doing there, the disappearance of which in the Russian Federation I am very glad. And how something was “distorted” there, I saw this video in full. They didn’t misinterpret anything.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 20 November 2019 08: 53 New
            -1
            Quote: EvilLion
            I saw this video completely. They didn’t misinterpret anything.

            I couldn’t find it, could you post the full video?
            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion 20 November 2019 09: 09 New
              +1
              Now with 4g I won’t get into the u-tube, but the EMNIP on the Bornaya Solyanka channel or PolitRussia (the same thing because of problems with the yu-tube was brought in) was on this topic, with a video player from Rygorich’s speech.
            2. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 20 November 2019 13: 44 New
              +3
              but in MAZ, as if there is nothing from MAN and Mercedes? don’t tell me for God's sake ..... the plant parking lots with tractors and ointments and belazs are clogged, other plants are working at the warehouse .. such a classic shaft according to plan, the plan goes along the shaft .. .if you drop the exemplary agro-towns. the rest is agricultural in such a way that my mother does not cry
          2. Far B
            Far B 20 November 2019 09: 15 New
            -3
            Come on, tell me how bad I feel here
            Why all of a sudden? I have no idea if it’s bad or good for you. Maybe you're a conspiratorial deripaska, so why would it be bad for you? Understand your sandbox yourself.
            Py.Sy. Why did MAZ do something for you? In childhood stepped on a foot?
            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion 20 November 2019 15: 35 New
              +3
              And MAZ is a competitor to Russian KAMAZ. And I, as in the yard, for my own.
        2. Olezhek
          20 November 2019 10: 01 New
          +2
          Urals are only in the army, KAMAZ is losing the market and is slipping into screwdriver production. And the "newest" KAMAZ truck tractors on 90% Mercedes Actros, moreover, of the previous generation. MAZ makes its cars.


          Colleague, hello to you from Russia.
        3. Sergey1987
          Sergey1987 20 November 2019 11: 17 New
          +11
          As usual, Igor lies on a lie?
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Urals only in the army

          Is Ural 73945-5121-01 only in the army? Or Ural NEXT 7470-5511-01?
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          KAMAZ is losing the market

          Is that what you decided? Since 2015, sales are only growing.
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          and rolls down to screwdriver production

          You seem to hold all the fools. Look where is the screwdriver production?
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx9I3P8JQ6Y
          Or do you need to look for another video?
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And the "newest" KAMAZ truck tractors are 90% Mercedes Actros, and of the previous generation

          Do not be shy, write to 100%.
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          MAZ makes its cars

          Yeah. In 2017, the plant produced 6830 trucks, and KamAZ in 2017, 38159. MAZ's net loss in 2017 was 41 million rubles, KamAZ's net profit in 2017 was 3,5 billion rubles.
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          For tractors - wheeled tractors Belorus in Russia generally have no domestic competitors.

          Agromash-85
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 20 November 2019 13: 57 New
            -4
            Quote: Sergey1987
            Is Ural 73945-5121-01 only in the army?

            More than 90%.
            Quote: Sergey1987
            Is that what you decided? Since 2015, sales are only growing.

            Sales are growing, and the number of KAMAZ trucks on the road is falling. wink
            Quote: Sergey1987
            You seem to hold all the fools.

            It’s only you, for you are absolutely not aware of how many spare parts for KAMAZ are currently imported. And the share of imports is not decreasing, but growing.
            Quote: Sergey1987
            Do not be shy, write to 100%.

            You would not juggle, but take an interest in the topic. Weak?
            Quote: Sergey1987
            Agromash-85

            Do not be stupid, please. Have you really seen this tractor somewhere on the road? I have never seen this tractor in my Togliatti. In Samara, the same. GBC, Tirex, CAT and Belarus. That's all that drives on the roads.
            1. Sergey1987
              Sergey1987 21 November 2019 15: 21 New
              +1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              More than 90%.

              Well, as usual, you traveled all over Russia and personally considered everything))))
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Sales are growing, and the number of KAMAZ trucks on the road is falling.

              As people like you, you, on behalf of the whole nation, speak and give data without numbers, which you yourself came up with.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              It’s only you, for you are absolutely not aware of how many spare parts for KAMAZ are currently imported. And the share of imports is not decreasing, but growing.

              Well, of course, I don’t know, but you know, the director of KamAZ reports to you.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Do not be stupid, please. Have you really seen this tractor somewhere on the road? I have never seen this tractor in my Togliatti. In Samara, the same

              Dumb, it looks like you if you think that you can only judge about this by Togliatti and Samara.
              You still forgot about the screwdriver assembly. Nothing to answer? Or you also have a 90% screwdriver there, but everything else is also with pliers.
          2. Vikxnumx
            Vikxnumx 22 November 2019 16: 12 New
            0
            Agromash-85

            Agricultural machinery production in the Russian Federation
            in 2013-2016 years
            PLANT DEPARTMENT OF THE PLANT, MECHANIZATION, CHEMISATION AND PROTECTION OF PLANTS OF THE MINISTRY OF RUSSIA 21
            Name of equipment 2013 2014 2015 2016% 2016/2013
            Tractors, total units 7641 6394 5226 6623 86,7%
            including,
            Russian models, total units 924 1457 1840 2548 275,8%
            including,
            Kirovets stamps 327 653 1337 2187 668,8%
            AGROMASH brands 354 414 160 110 31,1%
            Brands "Terrion" 83 147 96 68 81,9%
            Joint production with the Republic of Belarus,
            total units
            3914 2729 2330 2985 76,3%
            including,
            TD MTZ-ELAZ (Republic of Tatarstan) 2238 928 588 742 33,2%
            "Buzuluk Mechanical Plant" (Orenburg
            oblast) 177 436 214 383 216,4%
            "Cherepovets Foundry and Mechanical Plant"
            (Vologda Oblast) 137 271 1253 1824 1331,4%
            Foreign models, total units 2803 2208 1056 1090 38,9%
            including,
            John Deere Rus (Moscow Region) 883 680 67 176 19,9%
            Brands "Versatile" (Rostselmash) 236 262 88 74 31,4%
            Klaas stamps (Krasnodar Territory) 289 238 228 414 143,3%
            SIENEICH-KAMAZ-INDUSTRY (Republic of Tatarstan) 273 170 60 126 46,2%
            TD KhTZ (Belgorod Region) 942 858 535 123 13,1%
        4. anykin
          anykin 20 November 2019 14: 12 New
          +4
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Medvedev and “our” media took words out of context and misinterpreted.

          As said, that’s understood.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 20 November 2019 14: 38 New
            -4
            Attach the full video to the words? wink
            1. anykin
              anykin 20 November 2019 17: 56 New
              +4
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Attach the full video to the words?

              How would this obligation apply to you:
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Medvedev and “our” media took words out of context and misinterpreted.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 20 November 2019 20: 33 New
                0
                Quote: anykin
                How would this obligation apply to you:

                That is, you have not seen the full video, but for some reason you tend to believe more D.A. Medvedev This is how gossip spreads.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 20 November 2019 20: 52 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  but for some reason tend to believe more Medvedev D.A. This is how gossip spreads.

                  Comrade, so not gossip spread, and deliberate lies at a very high level sad
                2. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 20 November 2019 21: 21 New
                  +2
                  Man, I’ve told you more than once: logic is not yours.

                  1. You make (non-obvious, IMHO) the statement:

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Medvedev and "our" media took words out of context and misinterpreted

                  2. They don’t want to take your word for it (IMHO - they’re doing it right), and they ask you to demonstrate what’s in the context. Well, at least put the video.

                  3. You change your shoes right there, and declare:

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  That is, you have not seen the full video, but for some reason you tend to believe more D. Medvedev

                  This, my friend, is an indicator of your complete lack of logical thinking. Well, either just hutspa.

                  Choose yes
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 20 November 2019 21: 39 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    They don’t want to take your word

                    Again, you pussycat rushed into the jungle, not starting from the source. EvilLion stated that
                    Quote: EvilLion
                    Rygorych just said that Belarus participated in other people's wars, including the Second World War.

                    I asked him to confirm his words with something significant, video for example. I myself refer to the explanations of the spokesman for Lukashenko, and therefore I believe him more than DAME. So Kitty, don’t try to pull the baby cap over your head. wink
                    P.S. Watching you molt seasonal? wassat Will you have time to grow new wool while the Cat Manula account is washed off? wink
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 20 November 2019 21: 44 New
                      0
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      I asked him to confirm his words with something significant, video for example. I myself refer to the explanations of the spokesman for Lukashenko

                      Yes. Everything is complicated there, I didn’t see it right away.

                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      and therefore I believe him more than DAME

                      Therefore ... I believe - I do not believe ... he will spit - kiss, hold me to my heart ...

                      Okay, Ingvar, this time you twisted, I admit yes
                3. anykin
                  anykin 20 November 2019 23: 38 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  That is, you have not seen the full video, but for some reason you tend to believe more D.A. Medvedev

                  I wrote:
                  Quote: anykin
                  As said, that’s understood.

                  The president is not adorned with tongue-tied or provocation.
      3. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 20 November 2019 08: 50 New
        +24
        I don’t know who slammed the minus, but you are absolutely right. The whole economy of Belarus does not rest on some kind of “Belarusian economic miracle”, but on Russian subsidies in the form of cheap raw materials, specifically oil and gas. And all of Lukashenko’s waggings boil down to the fact that if Russia does not give a further discount, then I will turn to face the West, and to Russia the fifth point. However, he does not care at all with whom and with what to trade. He never did anything in the interests of Russia, starting with the little things as an elementary recognition of Ossetia, Abkhazia and the Crimea, ending with something more significant.
        The people of Belarus are our people, but Lukashenko ... With him an ally, about the same as from the Chinese, that is, no. But his flirting with the nationalists will not bring to good.
        1. Olezhek
          20 November 2019 08: 59 New
          +5
          The people of Belarus are our people, but Lukashenko ..


          Like "Hitlers come and go ..." ??
          Well, yes - but the German people are the same.

          Lukashenko, excuse me, fell from the moon?
          So you want to say that he has been conducting a foreign policy for 25 years that the Belarusian people do not like? Out of mischief?
          Or is there something else?
          1. Alexander Suvorov
            Alexander Suvorov 20 November 2019 09: 11 New
            +4
            Olezhek
            Like "Hitlers come and go ..." ??
            Well, yes - but the German people are the same.
            Imagine the same YES! And Comrade Stalin was clearly not dumber than you when he said these words. Who gave you the right to reason for the whole Belarusian people? Have you ever asked any of the Belarusians what they think about this? Who are you to start discussing such issues?
            Lukashenko, excuse me, fell from the moon?
            So you want to say that he has been conducting a foreign policy for 25 years that the Belarusian people do not like? Out of mischief?
            Our Putin is not from the moon either, but what of that? Or do you think I really like his foreign policy. Yes, in some ways I support him, BUT I can long and tediously list what I do not like in his foreign policy, IT DOESN'T TALK ALREADY ABOUT INTERNAL, and what of that? What do you want to say that I am not a brother to Belarusians after that?
            Be more careful with the conclusions, especially since no one authorized you to do this!
            1. Olezhek
              20 November 2019 09: 20 New
              0
              Olezhek
              Like "Hitlers come and go ..." ??
              Well, yes - but the German people are the same.


              Imagine the same YES! And Comrade Stalin was clearly not dumber than you when he said these words


              Well, something like that: their attitude to Russia and Russians has not changed in 100 years
              If you understand I.V. Stalin, then he was right. In general, he talked a lot about Germany ...
              and not always warm and kind.

              Who gave you the right to reason for the whole Belarusian people? Have you ever asked any of the Belarusians what they think about this?


              Forgive me, I observe Belarusian foreign policy, and regularly read their press.
              Or do you want to say that all the Belarusian people are for Russia, and Lukashenko alone is against it?
              Do you believe in such miracles?
              Do you believe that a politician can stay in power pursuing a policy that no one likes at all in the country?
          2. neri73-r
            neri73-r 20 November 2019 11: 11 New
            +8
            Quote: Olezhek
            Lukashenko, excuse me, fell from the moon?
            So you want to say that he has been conducting a foreign policy for 25 years that the Belarusian people do not like? Out of mischief?
            Or is there something else?

            I agree with you, it’s time for us to take off our pink glasses, however much we would like to do this. Time passes, the young generation of Belarusians is already thinking differently, they just grew up and got an education in a completely different state and with a completely different education. The example of Ukraine is very indicative, just the processes in Belarus are not so pronounced yet, but they are going on! And to say that this is not there, the people there love us, it is to lie to ourselves. Alas. And it will end badly for us, since we need to know the true state of affairs in order to take counter-measures.
            1. Captain45
              Captain45 21 November 2019 18: 56 New
              +2
              Quote: neri73-r
              I agree with you, it’s time for us to take off our pink glasses, however much we would like to do this. Time passes, the young generation of Belarusians is already thinking differently, they just grew up and got an education in a completely different state and with a completely different education. The example of Ukraine is very revealing

              A colleague, the young generation of not only Belarusians, Ukrainians, but also percentages on 30-40 in Russia thinks differently and 5-7 will pass another year and fermentation will go on in Russia as in 404, and Belarus will become 404 country by then.
              1. neri73-r
                neri73-r 21 November 2019 20: 01 New
                0
                Quote: Captain45
                A colleague, the young generation of not only Belarusians, Ukrainians, but also percentages on 30-40 in Russia thinks differently and 5-7 will pass another year and fermentation will go on in Russia as in 404, and Belarus will become 404 country by then.

                We (generations before the 1979 year of birth) are for this and exist to prevent such a scenario.
                1. Captain45
                  Captain45 21 November 2019 20: 07 New
                  +4
                  Quote: neri73-r
                  We (generations before the 1979 year of birth) are for this and exist to prevent such a scenario.

                  I really want to and hope that we will not allow it, but at one time I was brought up, grew up and firmly knew that “The Union is indestructible, the republics of the free” and “From the taiga to the British seas, the Red Army is stronger than all!”, But before my eyes, literally in three months, there was no great power. Therefore, "never say never," everything can and must be prepared for everything.
                  1. neri73-r
                    neri73-r 22 November 2019 12: 54 New
                    0
                    Quote: Captain45
                    everything can and must be prepared for everything.

                    Definitely, but what will we do .... if ..... suddenly ........ we can’t cope.?
                    1. Captain45
                      Captain45 22 November 2019 13: 44 New
                      +1
                      Quote: neri73-r
                      Definitely, but what will we do .... if ..... suddenly ........ we can’t cope.?

                      Well ... then we will cry if there is someone to cry .. wink , because the second time I’m not letting myself sit on my neck .... Once it’s rolled, there won’t be a second ..... One-time ...
                      1. neri73-r
                        neri73-r 22 November 2019 14: 01 New
                        0
                        I will support! drinks
        2. Per se.
          Per se. 20 November 2019 10: 26 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          The whole economy of Belarus does not rest on some kind of “Belarusian economic miracle”, but on Russian subsidies in the form of cheap raw materials, specifically oil and gas.
          Here, all Russian capitalism rests on a freebie, either from natural resources or from the Soviet legacy, and, first of all, there are no economic miracles for home-grown oligarchs in Russia. If Belarus had similar resources, the country would flourish. Yes, Lukashenko is spinning, saving the economy of Belarus, only our masters have such socialism, a knife at the throat, you look, and in Russia they want to squeeze the fatty bad boys as the boys.

          It seems that they began to press Old Man, the Russian bourgeoisie quarrel with Belarusians. Here you have articles on the topic, and peculiar "firewalls" that wake up to other opinions, work out their "bone". If our Chubais and Gaidars were in Belarus, they would have already drained the country, together with its entire economy. Belarus does not have such a margin of safety, the collapse and degradation, as the Russian oligarchs got, that’s the whole story.
      4. New Year day
        New Year day 20 November 2019 13: 32 New
        +9
        Quote: EvilLion
        Belarus participated in foreign wars, including the Second World War.

        rave! The Second World War was a general war, and then Belarus was in the Union. That is why Belarus was able to live on.
    5. Mcar
      Mcar 20 November 2019 08: 40 New
      -3
      Quote: Far In
      He kept the largest enterprises automobile and tractor plants in a very modest country for resources in very modest economic conditions. If he were a populist, the economy of Belarus would have long since collapsed into a house of cards.

      And the fields do not overgrow with willow grass, as we do.

      I am deeply convinced that Belarus and Old Man were lucky. I didn’t let the national economy get into my pockets - Belarusians should be thankful only for this. Otherwise, without resources, the fate of the Baltic States would be. With all that it implies - depopulation, membership in NATO, prestigious foreign work on the removal of pots from elderly Europeans, etc. etc.

      No matter what anyone says, a president like Shushkevich, unlike Lukashenko, would have long been all over with privates, and would have lain under European ones. The question is - is it for us, Russia, would it get better?
      1. 210ox
        210ox 20 November 2019 08: 58 New
        -6
        Yes, it’s apparently a shame for the “Moscow Golden Gang” that there will be no state property in Belarus in “reliable hands”
        1. VeteranVSSSR
          VeteranVSSSR 20 November 2019 11: 33 New
          +4
          And why the quotation of A. Lukashenko is not discussed at the VO, ... and why the heck is such a Union to us ... '' or does it really hurt your eyes?
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 20 November 2019 13: 36 New
          0
          Quote: 210ox
          Yes, it’s apparently a shame for the “Moscow Golden Gang” that there will be no state property in Belarus in “reliable hands”

          quite obvious fact. And rather, in order to eliminate as a competitor.
          That was the basis of Ukraine as well - nobody wanted to share their own.
      2. Olezhek
        20 November 2019 09: 05 New
        +1
        I am deeply convinced that Belarus and Old Man were lucky. I didn’t let the national economy get into my pockets - Belarusians should be thankful only for this


        There is no longer a long time ago any national economy - everything seemed to be dead.
        Or bends.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 20 November 2019 09: 11 New
          0
          Do you offer to buy, demolish and configure shopping centers? Since there is already nothing there. I’ve bought a TV from there, which is bad for the New Year’s Eve, and my neighbor works at the new MTZ ..
        2. Mcar
          Mcar 20 November 2019 10: 19 New
          -2
          Quote: Olezhek
          I am deeply convinced that Belarus and Old Man were lucky. I didn’t let the national economy get into my pockets - Belarusians should be thankful only for this


          There is no longer a long time ago any national economy - everything seemed to be dead.
          Or bends.

          Everything is relative.

          If we measure the number of billionaires and the displacement of their yachts, then Russia is the undisputed leader.
          But if something is more necessary for the country, for example, the production of tractors a year, then you can’t look without shame and tears: the Russian Federation - 8 thousand units, Belarus - 38 thousand units. If in terms of ha or per capita - heaven and earth are so simple. And behind this, as you understand, jobs are a lot of jobs that are so long and hard talked about from the high stands in the Russian Federation.
          1. A.Lex
            A.Lex 20 November 2019 12: 58 New
            +4
            Alexander, this is a completely different matter ... First of all, answer your own question - who is an ally and what should be the attitude towards an ally, where an ally MUST participate and how to respond in case of a threat ...
            1. Mcar
              Mcar 21 November 2019 04: 42 New
              -2
              Quote: A.Lex
              Alexander, this is a completely different matter ... First of all, answer your own question - who is an ally and what should be the attitude towards an ally, where an ally MUST participate and how to respond in case of a threat ...

              Alexei, I understand that I have moved a little off topic, but only because the foreign policy of any state is a reflection of domestic.

              As for alliances and allies.
              We now live in the capitalist world - in the world of predators of the dinosaur era. In this world, the law of the jungle rules - whoever is stronger is right, the strong devours the weak. What kind of alliances can we talk about if everyone and everyone is driven only by interests? Each for himself, as he said, is adjutant of Sherkhan Tabakka.

              Lukashenko is spinning as best he can. And not a pocket for, but for the sake of their country. And what else can you expect if there is the main natural resource, figuratively speaking, potatoes? Think about what would happen to the Russian Federation, remove all natural resources, starting from the forest and ending with coal. This we live off of natural rent, stealing, by the way, from our descendants. And they didn’t have such “happiness”.
          2. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 20 November 2019 13: 48 New
            0
            Yes, these tractors are dead weight ... it’s not enough to produce, it’s a matter of selling them! Our farmers and especially Belarus companies don’t buy ... if they buy. Then for road builders and other things
      3. EvilLion
        EvilLion 20 November 2019 09: 10 New
        +2
        Explain how the Russian Federation sets records for the export of grain, if its fields are overgrown? Can it grow only where to grow something at a loss? There were such territories here.
        1. Mcar
          Mcar 20 November 2019 10: 09 New
          -1
          Quote: EvilLion
          Explain how the Russian Federation sets records for the export of grain, if its fields are overgrown?

          Yes, just to explain: instead of fattening their cattle, grain is driven for export. Do what is more profitable. Or do you need to put a comparative table here, how many animals were in the RSFSR and it has become in the Russian Federation? Can’t you find it yourself?

          Quote: EvilLion
          Can it grow only where to grow something at a loss? There were such territories here.

          Suitable for a comfortable life, we have only 15% of the entire territory of the Russian Federation. Following your logic, we should all be accommodated on them. And the neighbors take the rest high?
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 20 November 2019 10: 40 New
            +1
            Do we have few cattle? And what is the dynamics of this very beast in Putin's years. You really don’t understand my logic, which doesn’t really approve of the semi-trampled fields with conservative spikelets on the frugal near the cities. You can only misinterpret other people's words.
            1. Mcar
              Mcar 20 November 2019 11: 03 New
              +1
              Quote: EvilLion
              Do we have few cattle?

              We have everything, if there is money - not ours, so imported. Only at the salary of 15 thousand. Yes, retired at 11 thousand. What difference is there or not? It makes no difference whether it is there or not, a lot or a little, you can’t buy it anyway.

              For twenty years now I haven’t seen linen for sale (Khabarovsk). And in Belarus there is, they produce.
              1. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 20 November 2019 13: 52 New
                +1
                They don’t bring to know in Khabarovsk, and count how much it will cost to take from Ivanovo there ... in the central part of please and linen and what you want and our native
              2. eckons
                eckons 20 November 2019 15: 17 New
                0
                I do not see - this is of course an argument.
                https://iz-lna.ru/catalog/bklm
            2. VeteranVSSSR
              VeteranVSSSR 20 November 2019 20: 56 New
              +3
              You have a lot of cattle, no doubt, but cattle in Putin's years (the dynamics of the increase are off scale) ...
            3. Vikxnumx
              Vikxnumx 22 November 2019 16: 22 New
              0
              Do we have few cattle?

              Not that word!
              And we must distinguish between dairy farming and fattening!
              And growing corn for silage is not always possible without watering ...
              And this is still money.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 20 November 2019 13: 43 New
            +5
            Quote: McAr
            Or do you need to put a comparative table here, how many animals were in the RSFSR and it has become in the Russian Federation?

            compare.

            The number of cows per 100 population in Russia
            In 1996-1997 Russia crossed the line, which apparently didn’t even go to war — in Russia there is less than one cow per 10 people. In 1990, in the RSFSR there were almost 14 cows per 100 people, in 2000 there were already 9 cows per 100 people. population, and in 2014-2016. - less than 6 cows.

            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion 20 November 2019 15: 40 New
              -1
              Do you need cows, or meat with milk? For me, if synthetic meat is made, then no cows will be needed. However, even from your graphs you can see a slowdown in the decline in numbers just under Putin.
            2. Procopius Nesterov
              Procopius Nesterov 21 November 2019 17: 28 New
              +4
              There are fewer cows, but we produce more chicken (4 times) and pork than the RSFSR in 1985 (pre-perestroika).
              In 2018, 6,2 million tons of chicken and 3,7 million tons of pork were produced.
              1. Vikxnumx
                Vikxnumx 22 November 2019 16: 24 New
                0
                Chicken to grow:
                buy imported eggs
                incubator - 21 days
                fattening - 38 ... 41 days
                ready!
                Now describe the cow like that ...
                1. Procopius Nesterov
                  Procopius Nesterov 22 November 2019 16: 40 New
                  +2
                  If everything is so easy, then why could the USSR not provide its citizens with the same cheap eggs and chicken? After all, eggs cost 1.p 35 kopecks, for the average salary you could buy 100 dozens of eggs. Now the same will cost 5 thousand rubles.
          3. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 20 November 2019 13: 50 New
            +1
            Do not grind rubbish, mainly grain is exported for flour, this is the time. The largest meat producers in the Russian Federation are one of the largest land owners and feed themselves completely! And that’s because there were heads in the RSFSR .. they saw meat in shops and sausage ?
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 20 November 2019 13: 59 New
              +2
              Quote: Andrey VOV
              Do not grind nonsense

              less pathos, it is necessary to read. What was it about?
              Quote: McAr
              Or do you need to put a comparative table here, how many animals were in the RSFSR and it has become in the Russian Federation?

              And from what side is your
              Quote: Andrey VOV
              ! and so what with the fact that in the RSFSR there were goals .. meat in shops and sausages were seen?

              i saw bad you didn't see
            2. EvilLion
              EvilLion 20 November 2019 15: 41 New
              +3
              Why are you asking such difficult questions about cows to eat, but no meat? I would also like to recall how Khrushchev “increased its population.” It is not necessary to think that in the 1964th his ideas left with him.
            3. _Sergei_
              _Sergei_ 20 November 2019 16: 09 New
              +5
              We have sent ready-made flour for export and even pasta. (Altai region)
              1. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 21 November 2019 20: 12 New
                +4
                That's right, because in the Altai there is growing durum wheat of which good and regular pasta is made, soft wheat is growing in the chernozem region
            4. Captain45
              Captain45 21 November 2019 19: 02 New
              +2
              Quote: Andrey VOV
              RSFSR goals were .. the meat in the shops and sausage seen?

              “Comrades, we are moving towards communism by leaps and bounds. Cattle cannot keep up with us!” (C) anecdote from the LIB times.
        2. ZAV69
          ZAV69 20 November 2019 10: 27 New
          +6
          Yes, elementary. All non-black soil is overgrown, there is a problem to buy grains of chickens, only potatoes are grown in some places, and so much fertilizer is poured ... Drive south and from the Lipetsk region every shred is plowed. That's where the grain comes from.
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 20 November 2019 10: 40 New
            +1
            Well, if it is unprofitable to grow.
            1. ZAV69
              ZAV69 20 November 2019 13: 24 New
              +4
              Commodity grain is unprofitable, that's for sure. Potatoes are growing quite well, cabbage, onions. Grain is also growing on fodder. This is most likely an echo of the 90s. There used to be a farm in every village, a dairy herd on the farm. In 90, everything collapsed, the population went to work in Moscow. Here is a large part of the rural population of the Tula region who goes to work in Moscow, agriculture has died, they just started to develop potato growing .... But we have a developed communication with
              Moscow. And to the south, they are far from Moscow and they are beginning to chernozem.
              1. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 20 November 2019 13: 54 New
                0
                The pulsing region and its agricultural sector did not die, here I will argue with you and give a lot of examples, there almost all the land is used, with the exception of the northern regions of the region
                1. ZAV69
                  ZAV69 20 November 2019 14: 01 New
                  +3
                  I traveled the Venevsky district along, across and diagonally. I saw what happened during the Soviet era and now. It was if sclerosis does not change me 19 collective farms and state farms. Seven dairies, two distilleries. HPP. Now you’re going, some ribs sticking out from the farms, Rassylkino passed, where there was a camp 30 years ago and the workshops are now a wasteland. The only thing that works is Avetisyan, Tula Niva in Klin, Trukhachevka and what is there in Prudishchi. And where is the rest?
                  1. Andrey VOV
                    Andrey VOV 20 November 2019 14: 21 New
                    +2
                    Rapeseed is grown for Cargill and Kuban oils, three plants process it, Venev, and 2 in Efremov
                    1. ZAV69
                      ZAV69 20 November 2019 16: 37 New
                      0
                      When the Kuban Oil was still Russian Seeds, they rented land and wanted to sow rapeseed themselves. The Zavad worked out a resource, it was sold by the Kuban Oil and the land was abandoned. something like this ..... It's a pity the Russian Semen made good butter and funky mayonnaise. Now do nothing
                      1. Andrey VOV
                        Andrey VOV 21 November 2019 20: 12 New
                        +1
                        Not so it was .. but this is the story of bygone days ... the plant is still working and it has not developed any resource
                      2. ZAV69
                        ZAV69 21 November 2019 22: 26 New
                        -1
                        How was it? How many undertakings of Russian seeds were covered with a copper basin?
                        The plant works, but what does it do? Isn't biodiesel accidental? Where is the local mayonnaise?
                      3. Andrey VOV
                        Andrey VOV 22 November 2019 08: 23 New
                        0
                        No biodiesel, ordinary rapeseed oil. It has never been done on a production basis in Russia, it is unprofitable and in Europe this topic has generally gone very far. For starters, at a certain time there was a time when it was necessary to expand the plant’s capacities and invest in it, but the owners took a different path , the plant was made a point of generating profits, as well as obtaining all kinds of loans, plus wrong management decisions came as a result of bankruptcy, and so on, only the Semins family remained in chocolate, and some of them who were close to them and had a little ur It’s a huge article if you have time and desire to have everything on the Internet. Now the plant is working, of course, which is already good.
          2. EvilLion
            EvilLion 20 November 2019 15: 42 New
            +3
            A person cannot eat without food, if food production has collapsed, it means that initially there was something wrong with him. For example, overproduction, or large losses of the finished product. i.e., the tractor and diesel fuel were wasted for nothing.
    6. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx 22 November 2019 16: 18 New
      0
      Due to the rejection of livestock.
      And cereals are the easiest to grow.
  • Stas157
    Stas157 20 November 2019 08: 42 New
    +8
    Usually in this spirit they write about Ukraine. The feeling is that artificial pumping against Belarus has gone.
    . People are interested in the free transfer of "Dryers"
    Do not require the same! And the demand is not great for interest. And why not take an interest, Russia gave it to the Mughals of Migi, and before that it forgave Africa ... (Personally, I am outraged by the free distribution and forgiveness of debts to other countries, while in Russia itself, people are tightening their belts.)
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 20 November 2019 08: 45 New
    +9
    What the policy of "eat fish and climb a tree" leads to the example of Ukraine.
    Now the main question for Belarus is whether Belarus will be able to unite with Russia before the dad leaves, or if time is lost, and Belarus will have the same ending as Ukraine. The separation of Western lands and their withdrawal to Poland with the strengthening of Poland is a big problem not only for Russia, but also for Germany, and the entry of the rest of Belarus into Russia ...
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 20 November 2019 13: 50 New
      +6
      Quote: The Truth
      What the policy of "eat fish and climb a tree" leads to the example of Ukraine.

      But was there such a policy? After independence, Ukraine immediately took an anti-Russian course.
      "best friend" wrote

      Well, if you bred our power into money, it’s a question for our government. How many analysts and intelligence grazed in Ukraine and overslept all
  • Olezhek
    20 November 2019 08: 46 New
    +3
    The feeling that the author has some special scores for Lukashenko.
    Does the official press in Belarus overshadow the Soviet past? I hear it for the first time. Zmagarskaya - easy.


    Is there anything personal in politics?
    As be Herr Lukashenko for 25 years heads the Republic of Belarus, and as soon as there are any claims to him,
    the question immediately arises - is this something personal?
    It was necessary to remain an ordinary citizen - then really all claims could
    to be exclusively personal.

    He kept the largest enterprises automobile and tractor plants in a very modest country for resources in very modest economic conditions.


    and you do not repeat the stories of Belarusian propaganda.
    1 He did not create them, these plants
    2 He defiantly kept the largest so that there was something to show.
    The mass of small and medium-sized factories closed, but this is not customary to talk about
    3 If he relied solely on the modest resources of his country, then there would be no questions.

    And the fact that the Old Man spins with a weather vane, just says that he is primarily concerned about his state.


    You know a very strange and incomprehensible position.
    For the Russian incomprehensible.
    For Belarus, it’s quite normal.

    As for the construction of a powerful modern army - and why the heck ??? Belarus, whatever the author may think, is still the closest ally.


    Whose??
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 20 November 2019 08: 52 New
      +5
      Quote: Olezhek
      Is there anything personal in politics?

      Are you a politician?
      Quote: Olezhek
      Herr Lukashenko heads RB for 25 years

      Putin has been at the helm of 20 for years, and there are many more complaints against him. The main ones are that we are still on the oil needle, and the fabulous wealth of his friends, while the country is degrading.
      Quote: Olezhek
      He did not create them, these plants
      2 He defiantly kept the largest so that there was something to show.

      Ours did not even do this for demonstration.
      Quote: Olezhek
      The mass of small and medium-sized factories closed, but this is not customary to talk about

      We have closed more, and larger ones.
      Olezhek, do not want to talk about this? wink
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 20 November 2019 09: 14 New
        -3
        I do not have as many claims against Putin as the people who vote for Putin. Only that which was uncompetitive was closed with us. Competitive even in the 90s could fatten. It may not have closed in the Republic of Belarus, but if the plant’s products are immediately thrown out in the trash as unnecessary, then yes, the workers receive the salaries, they are satisfied, only for the country and society what is the use.
      2. Olezhek
        20 November 2019 09: 23 New
        0
        Are you a politician?


        Unfortunately, politics affects ordinary citizens. Alas.
        If they had everything up there as in the Vienna Opera, then another question.


        Putin has been at the helm of 20 for years, and there are many more complaints against him. The main ones are that we are still on the oil needle, and the fabulous wealth of his friends, while the country is degrading.


        We have closed more, and larger ones.
        Olezhek, do not want to talk about this?


        Who do you have?
        And who are you to discuss Putin?
        I am ready to discuss the situation in Russia.
        With the citizens of Russia.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 20 November 2019 14: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: Olezhek
          And who are you to discuss Putin?

          A citizen of Russia, was born and live in Togliatti, he left only in the 90th year for military service, in the 92nd he returned.
          So, discuss? wink
      3. A.Lex
        A.Lex 20 November 2019 13: 06 New
        -2
        Igor, at the time of GDP’s coming to power, the Russian Federation had to exist for months, if not days ... Already this is one plus for him. And if the collapse occurred, then you would not be hammering on the clave now, criticizing it.
        Yes, to him, FOR MY PERSONAL LOOK, a lot of complaints about domestic politics and the economy. BUT ... if he would begin to act sharply and radically ... than he would. then, would it be different from the IVS ??? Or do you agree with the activities of the Party in 1936-38 ???
    2. Far B
      Far B 20 November 2019 09: 02 New
      +1
      As be Herr Lukashenko for 25 years heads the Republic of Belarus, and as soon as there are any claims to him,
      What can be your claims to the president, sorry, sovereign country ??? wassat Well, make a complaint to Frau the Chancellor for the fact that she is lobbying the Nord Stream and at the same time she’s craving for gums. Or show Sizinping what it is: we will do the Siberian Force to him, and he still trades with mattresses (despite Hong Kong and the trade wars, huh). The leader of a sovereign country should always do what is beneficial to his country, otherwise he is a worthless leader. Unfortunately, only such people in the upper echelons have registered in recent decades.
      The mass of small and medium-sized factories closed
      It would be strange if they did not close. But let's compare with us - in percentage terms? It’s somehow scary, to be honest, it’s becoming.
      If he relied solely on the modest resources of his country
      He usescapabilities of their country, not rests on them. And this is normal for the head of state.
      You know a very strange and incomprehensible position.
      And what is incomprehensible here? Have we already broken all economic ties with our strategic "partners"? No. Why father should do this?
      In short, you were offended by him for the fact that he still has not planted the Republic of Belarus under the oligarchic RF, I understand you correctly?
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 20 November 2019 09: 15 New
        +6
        Frau Kancelerin does not ask for anything from Russia. No money, no weapons. We give them goods, they give us money. We give them money, they give us goods.
        1. Far B
          Far B 20 November 2019 09: 21 New
          -4
          Actually, father is not particularly asking. He talks about the fulfillment of the conditions prescribed during the creation of the union state and other customs unions with the eurases. Takshta ...
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 20 November 2019 10: 41 New
            +3
            Now let him start with himself then. Has he fulfilled at least one condition?
      2. Olezhek
        20 November 2019 09: 35 New
        +1
        What can be your claims to the president, sorry, sovereign country ???


        Sovereign presidents of sovereign countries do not run around the planet asking for money.

        The mass of small and medium-sized factories closed


        It would be strange if they did not close


        Here I am talking about the same thing - the whole politics of Lukashenko is populism and window dressing
        and eating up Soviet legacy and Russian subsidies.

        But let's compare with us - in percentage terms? It’s somehow scary, to be honest, it’s becoming.


        But I don’t - if plants work in Russia, then they (at least) are more or less profitable or in the black
        In Belarus - they stupidly eat up the budget
        They are unprofitable like the economy as a whole.

        that is the difference
        That is why Lukashenko runs for money to Moscow

        In general, the article was about the national security of Belarus - its absence
        The trouble is - to Belarusians this topic is incomprehensible / uninteresting in principle.
        Dollars / purchases / smuggling - that’s all.
        Such is the "power".
        1. VeteranVSSSR
          VeteranVSSSR 20 November 2019 21: 02 New
          0
          But actually the article was about a parade in Brest, or I missed something ... ??? ...
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 20 November 2019 15: 20 New
        +4
        Quote: Far In
        What can be your claims to the president, sorry, sovereign country ???

        And what kind of requirements can the president of one sovereign country have for another sovereign country for some compensation for the purely internal decision of the second country?
        Sovereign states live on sovereign money and trade at sovereign prices. And they do not receive 6 billion dollars a year from the budget of another sovereign state - and demand even more.
  • Proxima
    Proxima 20 November 2019 14: 55 New
    +1
    Does the official press in Belarus overshadow the Soviet past? For the first time I hear. [/ Quote]
    Absolutely to the point! good Can we deal with our masmedia first? A small example: what if you don’t take a high-quality modern series about the Great Patriotic War, then for some reason it was shot in Belarus. And vice versa, our series, which are filmed with state moneyimpossible to watch ("Penalties", "Gulag" and other vomiting). Paradox, and more!
  • parusnik
    parusnik 20 November 2019 06: 30 New
    +18
    Having received "freedom" in 1991 and capitalism, none of the former republics in terms of living standards, etc. ... became like France, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, but they said that they say we’ll disperse like a tear, we have everything for this , and then you understand we’ll eat each other, each other ...... oh, yes .. there are a lot of sausages .. and toilet paper ... and there are not enough parking spaces throughout the CIS ...
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 20 November 2019 10: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      Having received "freedom" in 1991 and capitalism, none of the former republics in terms of living standards, etc. ... became like France, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, but they said that they say we’ll disperse like a tear, we have everything for this , and then you understand we’ll eat each other, each other ...... oh, yes .. there are a lot of sausages .. and toilet paper ... and there are not enough parking spaces throughout the CIS ...

      However, rumors reached me that electricity is not always in homes, there are blackouts in some countries (former Soviet republics) .... That's because people are lying, apparently.
      1. A.Lex
        A.Lex 20 November 2019 13: 12 New
        +3
        Dima, after all, capitalism! They wanted it - we are eating a full spoon! ........... that's just THEN no one began to explain to us that 10 thousand. beggars will be one "owner of factories, newspapers, ships" ... and that all the "people's" property INSTANTLY ceases to be ....
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 20 November 2019 13: 26 New
          +3
          Kaki-so 10 thousand? dear ?? It is necessary to clarify the numbers. In my opinion, the ratio is different in favor of the rich. I somehow wrote out .... but do not look. If we live in the region of 500000, then what exactly are 50 owners? There are fewer, much fewer.
          As far as I know, the advertisement was that everyone would become shareholders ......
          Yes, all long-term savings, both people and enterprises, have been reset!
          1. A.Lex
            A.Lex 24 November 2019 11: 03 New
            +1
            Dmitry, I do not insist on a specific figure. It is possible that you are right. I'm talking about principle and justice. She was promised to us in return for the fact that we will not say anything when the USSR was killed? PROMISED !!! Cheated? Tricked!
            And answer for cheating? Hang on a birch, think about your behavior, according to which the losses of Russia (during the collapse of the USSR) were more than in the whole XX century! This worries me, not the percentage ... and so it is clear that tin!
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 24 November 2019 19: 09 New
              +1
              Human and material damage is greater from transformation than from WWII.
              We need to talk more often about this and, of course, memorize the numbers. This is me about myself.
              Indeed, without numbers, the opponent will quickly prove that there wasn’t a hundred deception -----
              Sleight of hand request recourse
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 20 November 2019 06: 47 New
    +7
    Oh Olezhek, it’s been a long time smile
    At the same time, Belarusians for the most part are absolutely convinced that they personally are not in danger. At least from the West.

    By the way, they asked me or my godfather, am I included in those same Belarusians who are not threatened by anything from the west? wink Or are we the wrong Belarusians laughing
    Egorov-Egorov, I feel sorry for you - don’t sleep, go, at night from the nightmares in the form of Lukashenko and the evil Belarus free parasites .... Well ... To each - his own tongue laughing
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 20 November 2019 08: 13 New
      +6
      And who are the authors asking when writing such "opuses"? I got the feeling that I got the task, opened the training manual - clarified, leafed through the cards, chose the one suitable for this topic, raised my eyes - re-read the slogan above the doors and ... Let's go, go!)))
  • mark1
    mark1 20 November 2019 07: 03 New
    +2
    Reasonable reasoning, Minsk is an ally very, very peculiar, ready to share joys with Russia and is not predictable (mildly) in “sorrows”
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 20 November 2019 07: 46 New
      +5
      Unfortunately, much of Russia's relations with Belarus has been strained due to the emotions of our politicians and the "pulling of money." In fact, there is a mandate of peoples for unity, and it must be implemented. hi
      1. mark1
        mark1 20 November 2019 07: 54 New
        +2
        Duck this order is not difficult to fulfill, if there was a desire. You can even go for the Chinese version - "one country two systems."
        Links to the latest Hong Kong events will immediately begin.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 20 November 2019 08: 46 New
          0
          Quote: mark1
          Links to the latest Hong Kong events will immediately begin.

          Artificially provoked by the West.
      2. Olezhek
        20 November 2019 12: 55 New
        +4
        Unfortunately, much of Russia's relations with Belarus has been strained due to the emotions of our politicians and the "pulling of money."


        1 Where and when did the GDP show some "unrestrained emotions in relation to the Republic of Belarus?"
        Remind me, because I don’t remember something.
        2 "pulling the headstock" is a typical Belarusian version.
        From the very beginning, Russia was worried not so much in economic issues as in military-political issues, which is reflected in the article.
        1. VeteranVSSSR
          VeteranVSSSR 20 November 2019 21: 11 New
          0
          And what are some enemies all around ???
      3. A.Lex
        A.Lex 20 November 2019 13: 14 New
        +1
        Victor ... that's just such "orders" are not too fulfilled ...
      4. eckons
        eckons 20 November 2019 15: 35 New
        +2
        The punishment of the people contradicts the desire of the country's elites to retain power. How do you imagine that dad from the president of the country turned into some kind of governor. That he with Merkelsh yes Olandy handle and drank coffee. And you suggest that he stand behind Putin’s back while he resolves global issues. The thirst for power is much stronger than the thirst for money. Therefore, integration is possible only if the dad is appointed president of the united state, he will not do anything else.
  • loha
    loha 20 November 2019 07: 10 New
    +4
    "The second enlargement of the BSSR occurred on December 28, 1926, when Gomel and Rechitsa counties of the Gomel province were transferred to its structure" ,,,,,,,,,, What the author drives? There has never been a Gomel province in Russia; the Rechitsa district is Mogilev and Gomel belonged to Minsk. And yet the Mogilev province and Belarus has never been considered.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 20 November 2019 15: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: loha
      Gomel province never existed in Russia

      And what then was formed in the RSFSR in 1919 from the districts of the Mogilev province, the Minsk province and the Chernigov province?
      Quote: loha
      Rechitsa County is Mogilev

      On July 11, 1919, the Mogilev province was abolished, 9 of its counties were included in the Gomel province, the Mstislavsky district was transferred to Smolensk, and the Senno district - to the Vitebsk province.

      Since February 1919, the Mogilev province was part of the RSFSR.
      1. VeteranVSSSR
        VeteranVSSSR 20 November 2019 21: 12 New
        +1
        And until 1919, where were ??? ...
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 21 November 2019 10: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: VeteranVSSSR
          And until 1919, where were ??? ...

          And what does it have to do with it?
          Initially, it was claimed that:
          Quote: loha
          In Russia there never was a Gomel provinceRechitsa district is Mogilev and Gomel belonged to Minsk.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 20 November 2019 07: 18 New
    -2
    After 1939, Belarus was "stitched" in two pieces. This, sorry, is a historical fact.
    But Olezhek does not want to look at the maps of Belarus in the light of history? And then talk about "historical" facts?
    1. Olezhek
      20 November 2019 09: 28 New
      +2
      But Olezhek does not want to look at the maps of Belarus in the light of history? And then talk about "historical" facts?


      What exactly do you mean?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 20 November 2019 14: 06 New
        -5
        Quote: Olezhek
        What exactly do you mean?

        The fact that these pieces have always been part of Belarus, including those times when Belarus was part of Russia.
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 20 November 2019 17: 01 New
          +3
          Belarus was never part of Russia; it was part of Russia, and then Russia.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 20 November 2019 20: 23 New
            0
            Quote: Victor N
            never been part of Russia, it was part of Russia, and then Russia.

            Is there a difference? belay
          2. VeteranVSSSR
            VeteranVSSSR 20 November 2019 20: 49 New
            -1
            Since 1796, with the help of Count Suvorov ???, Ali calendar is not correct ???
  • Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 20 November 2019 07: 38 New
    +4
    A strange article))) Usually, they write about Belarus not as some kind of national territory, but about the state that took place as a result of the collapse of the USSR. Belarus has never really been eager for either the West or Russia. And like the Ukrainians, it has not written its state history since ancient times (although the attempts were made by Shushkevich at the time), but with the coming to power of Lukashenko, such attempts of “inadequate” are suppressed. There is no confrontation between Western and Eastern cultures in Belarus (as in Ukraine). As for the army, Lukashenko retained the Soviet approach to military development, and not the Western one, as in Russia. And the army of Belarus looks combat ready to solve the problems of defense of its territory, and not the offensive on the land of "probable enemy". Compared to the EU neighbors - Lithuania, Poland, the army of Belarus is even more combat-ready both technically and ideologically. I repeat, a strange article and, in my opinion, does not reflect reality either in the internal situation in Belarus or in the foreign policy role of this country.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 20 November 2019 08: 28 New
      +8
      So they are ON, and Russia occupied them. The fact that in the Commonwealth they are in sub. position, they prefer not to remember.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 20 November 2019 09: 04 New
        -5
        But what, a piece of Russia was not subordinate to the Poles? Let's remember an earlier story.
    2. Olezhek
      20 November 2019 08: 53 New
      +3
      Belarus has never really torn either to the West or to Russia


      Yes, you sho?
      All modern Belarusian ideology is litvism / polonophilism and opposition of Russia to itself

      And like ukraine did not write its state history since ancient times (although attempts at one time were made by Shushkevich)


      And you will get acquainted with the modern views of Belarusian publicists on history
      Be surprised.

      but with the coming to power of Lukashenko, such attempts of "inadequate" are suppressed


      February 2017 - Lukashenko flees to Sochi from the rebellious "parasites", pops up in Mensk a week later ... and rolls up the pathos rivulet along the Princes of Polotsk.
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 20 November 2019 09: 21 New
        +3
        The intelligentsia that in Russia, that in White Russia - always "flowed around the snot" to the West - this once again proves that we are a single people. About - Lukashenka’s talk about the Polovtsian princes ... and our president is not without such speeches (about the Tatar in every Russian) ... - and this is also proof that we are one people drinks
        1. Konstantin Shevchenko
          Konstantin Shevchenko 20 November 2019 12: 11 New
          0
          White Russia is not sideways to Belarus. It starts with Veliky Novgorod. Tsar of White Russia was Vasily the third after the accession of Novgorod to Moscow.
    3. Olezhek
      20 November 2019 09: 42 New
      +4
      Compared with the EU neighbors - Lithuania, Poland, the army of Belarus is even more combat-ready both technically and ideologically


      The leaders in military budgets in the Poland region, and with a significant margin, in the 2018 year, the defense budget of the Polish Army amounted to 9,36 billion dollars, which exceeds the budget of the Belarusian Armed Forces by more than 12 times (!).
      Source: https://rusvesna.su/news/1570720857

      Good luck
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 20 November 2019 09: 55 New
        -4
        Dear Olezhek! It’s not budgets that fight in war, but people and equipment !!! Unlike Poland, in Belarus there is not only modern technology, but also a prepared reserve that did not run into English closets. If the Poles had superiority over the Belarusians, they would not have invited the Americans to realize their military ambitions. Only people far from the army can evaluate the country's defense capability solely by the budgetary costs of the army.
        1. Olezhek
          20 November 2019 10: 11 New
          +6
          It’s not budgets that fight in war, but people and equipment !!! Unlike Poland, in Belarus there is not only modern technology, but also a prepared reserve that did not run into English closets


          Dear Vitaliy, people are fighting in a war
          So the Poles cannot be ignored - they supported their main ally, the USA
          in both Iraq and Afghanistan, sending troops there.
          That is, the Polish army has real combat experience
          Who was running around on the closets?
          What are you talking about?

          The best and last scribe did not send a single soldier to Syria
          The Belarusian army has no combat experience
          but Minsk has rich experience in delivering weapons to the Kiev junta and the Syrian "demo position"


          Only people far from the army can evaluate the country's defense capability solely by the budgetary costs of the army.


          Yeah - here I am talking about the same thing.
          1. Vitaly Tsymbal
            Vitaly Tsymbal 20 November 2019 12: 02 New
            0
            Dear Olezhek. There are claims to the policy of supporting Lukashenko’s actions of Russia - I do not deny this. The combat experience of the Poles is the experience of a platoon or company. And the experience is specific. And the most important thing in Belarus is the experience of the Great Patriotic War.
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 20 November 2019 20: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: Olezhek
            but Minsk has rich experience in delivering weapons to the Kiev junta and the Syrian "demo position"

            The Kiev junta is recognized as the legitimate government of Ukraine. Including recognized by Russia. And we trade with them, despite the fact that we are considered the aggressor.
            Regarding the supply of weapons to the Syrian "demoposition" can be more detailed?
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 20 November 2019 21: 07 New
              +4
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              The Kiev junta is recognized as the legitimate government of Ukraine. Including recognized by Russia. And we trade with them,

              And here are a lot of oddities. For example, the "ammonia" pipeline Togliatti-Odessa with unknown beneficiaries is somehow alive and well. strange ....
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 20 November 2019 21: 43 New
                +4
                Quote: Stroporez
                with unknown beneficiaries

                The beneficiaries are well known, and one of them is in London for permanent residence. bully
                But I didn’t find anything on the supply of weapons of Syrian "demo-position" by Belarus; Olezhek is simply lying. hi
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 20 November 2019 22: 03 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  The beneficiaries are well known, and one of them is in London for permanent residence.

                  Another in the states, and this is probably putriots. Kamrad, can you imagine that ammonia production with a pipeline through two “belligerent” countries, with access to the port of an “unfriendly” country, in principle, is some kind of crap.
                  I am sure that Ukraine is now the most friendly country, in terms of unfriendly!))
        2. EvilLion
          EvilLion 20 November 2019 10: 44 New
          +6
          People and equipment acquired and trained under budgets fight in a war. 1000 tanks with trained crews will always defeat 100 tanks with untrained. And in order to even train the crew, he should at least burn tons of fuel and shoot hundreds of shells. And that’s all the budget.

          There is no equipment in the Republic of Belarus, because the Soviet one is out of date, or has crumbled already, but they are not buying a new one, because there is no budget. A plane is expensive. Now, if Putin gives, then, of course.
          1. Vitaly Tsymbal
            Vitaly Tsymbal 20 November 2019 17: 15 New
            +1
            For EvilLion
            Where do you get this data from? Or do you want to "pull the Polish uniform on the Belarusian military uniform"? Look at the mass media in what exercises and to what extent the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus have participated in the last two or three years ... And at the same time look at the Polish “new army” with old Soviet equipment and compare. If you are from the category “how bad everything is in the Russian Federation, or the Republic of Belarus and only the West will help us”, then you can continue to moan around money and budgets in the spirit of “whether astir”, naively believing that one one withered “Arams” can make Belarusians panic and flee to surrender to "liberators from the Lukashenka dictatorship." soldier
    4. Olezhek
      20 November 2019 10: 42 New
      +4
      A strange article))) Usually they write about Belarus not as some kind of prefabricated territory, but about the state that took place as a result of the collapse of the USSR


      So the author decided to look at the situation from an unusual angle.
      If it can be called unusual.
      For the author, he is commonplace.
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 20 November 2019 17: 21 New
        +1
        So the author decided to look at the situation from an unusual angle.
        If it can be called unusual.
        For the author, he is commonplace.

        I "considered" this angle while studying the history of Belarus in the years 90-95 when I studied in absentia at BSU, I even have a diploma with the coat of arms and flag from the Commonwealth laughing So the author chose even a very ordinary perspective ....
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 20 November 2019 08: 22 New
    +8
    In general, any normal person knows that the transfer of territory by one side to the other, by agreement of the political leadership, is accompanied by a mass of ritual actions, in particular, the outgoing military contingent is marching. And so on and so on. At the same time, in the 1939 year, the USSR had absolutely no reason not to observe diplomatic etiquette and the Soviet command, of course, would greet the German hand, receive reports from him and salute the outgoing German units . Because it should be so.

    But normal people are bored, it’s much more fun to look for malicious intent and come up with some kind of parade, where one side, smiling, tries to quickly push the other out of the territory.

    Normal people also understand that the contact between the two armies, and even in the DB zone, often leads to incidents, for example, Soviet aircraft mistakenly attacked the Germans, and non-combatants try to solve these problems somehow, establishing communication channels and by negotiating restrictions and recognition procedures. And when, for example, the USSR installed radio beacons on its territory, it was not so that the Germans would find it easier, but that they mistakenly did not bombard Soviet territory, like the allies of Switzerland. But that’s normal people.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 20 November 2019 15: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: EvilLion
      In general, any normal person knows that the transfer of territory by one side to the other, by agreement of the political leadership, is accompanied by a mass of ritual actions, in particular, the outgoing military contingent is marching. Etc.

      The funny thing is that neither Deutsche Wochenschau, nor German or Soviet photos of that day have a single shot in which Soviet troops would pass in front of a platform with Soviet and German officers. There are shots with German troops. There are shots with an empty rostrum and our equipment. And that’s it.
  • Alexander Ra
    Alexander Ra 20 November 2019 08: 28 New
    +4
    in Poland, Lithuania, Russia and Ukraine, privatization and a transition to a market economy are underway ... but Belarusians have been sitting and waiting for something since '94. Quarter of century. Despite the fact that all the neighbors are moving away from the state model of the economy.
    Avoiding the “state model of the economy” was for us - the majority in Russia - a disaster, not a victory. Now the problem is how to end the holiday of a thief.
    1. Olezhek
      20 November 2019 09: 11 New
      -1
      Avoiding the “state model of the economy” was for us - the majority in Russia - a disaster, not a victory.


      And now, imagine, after the collapse of the eastern bloc and the USSR
      we would try to keep the state economy in Russia.
      What would this lead to?
      A planned economy was possible just in the framework of the social community.
      Its collapse meant the practical impossibility of maintaining this model.
      Example - in the German Democratic Republic, after merging with the Federal Republic of Germany, plants began to demand from Soviet consumers
      currency ..
      Well, and what "state model" are you ready to keep?
      Consumers of many Soviet enterprises found themselves in new capitalist countries ... and so on ...
      The state model ...
      1. Alexander Ra
        Alexander Ra 20 November 2019 15: 03 New
        -1
        You can "try to maintain the state economy" according to the patterns of the State Department and the drunk with Chubais. And it is possible according to Primakov, it is possible according to the recommendations of Y. Yaremenko, according to the methods of MV Bernatsky. The results will be very different.
        Will you name some serious cap. an enterprise operating without a plan? No plan today? The plan is everywhere, only with cap-me planning is closed to the majority, as is the distribution of profits. With the USSR State Planning Commission - the second economy, and the Russian Federation without the State Planning Commission - less than the California economy. Express your enthusiasm.
  • Soviet Union
    Soviet Union 20 November 2019 08: 35 New
    +1
    Exactly!
    The author knows what he is writing about .. I agree 100% .... That’s the way to speak at the state level of Russia and most importantly Belarus, and Lukashenko owes me .. The Union State at least.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 20 November 2019 09: 07 New
      -6
      Ask about debt from Shushkevich.
      1. Olezhek
        20 November 2019 09: 52 New
        +6
        Ask about debt from Shushkevich.


        Do you have one state or each president having his own Belarus?
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 20 November 2019 09: 03 New
    +5
    The basis of the economy of independent Belarus were made by Soviet industrial giants and Soviet collective farms. In state property. For 25 years, huge money was pumped into them, but they never gave a return. But was it done from evil? They simply didn’t know how or didn’t want to.


    In principle, the form of ownership does not matter; large factories themselves are almost the state in the state and have not received any advantages from the market economy of the Russian Federation as such. On the scale of KAMAZ or some UVZ, even a private trader inevitably grows together with the state, but it’s not very clear to me why the state should share income with someone. The Russian Federation gained advantages when it ceased to feed the former republics, which is why they immediately slipped into feudalism and finally reformed production facilities like that chapel factory from Election Day, which produced it unclear what, it is not clear to anyone. And there were many. Well and finally they finally dispersed the CPSU, as an absolutely useless structure, into which it turned into the post-Stalin years. Vissarionych did not have time to put her in his place, although he had been trying since the mid-30s.
    1. Olezhek
      20 November 2019 09: 51 New
      +2
      On the scale of KAMAZ or some UVZ, even a private trader inevitably merges with the state,


      What is good for General Motors good for America?
      To some extent, yes ... but they are not quite fused.

      Well, they also finally dispersed the CPSU, as an absolutely useless structure,


      And who in her place?
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 20 November 2019 10: 47 New
        +1
        And in its place are normal ministries. I remind you that the party in power is the result of the collapse of the state. apparatus during the revolution, when no other levers of government except the party and its internal. there is no discipline left. Already in the 30 years, they planned to tie this up, making the Party a public organization. It didn’t work out.
  • oligofren32
    oligofren32 20 November 2019 09: 20 New
    +1
    Having spent more than half of the post on the description of today's diplomatic balancing act of Minsk, I, at first, did not understand how the author, in the end, “explain” the parade, but then, it seems, it dawned on me.

    "RB ideology can be only one: Stalin - good, September 39th - good, Red Army - just great. Molotov - Ribbentrop - a wonderful agreement!"
  • Victor N
    Victor N 20 November 2019 09: 58 New
    0
    Everything is very correct! This article should be read to every Belarusian.
  • musketon64
    musketon64 20 November 2019 10: 02 New
    +8
    “At present, the Belarusian leadership is carrying out several maneuvers. On the one hand, it is slowly but surely moving to the West, with each step moving away from Russia and the ideas of integration. On the other hand, the Belarusian leadership uses this movement as a blackmail of the Kremlin in order to obtain new preferences and compensations for the loss of the old ones. The blackmail of the Russian leadership is based on the principle - “we took two steps back and are now ready to take the third and fourth quite quickly and far, but if you pay us, we will think, and maybe stay where we are.” By and large, the question now is not whether Belarus will go to the West, but how fast it will move there - with what losses for Russia, for its economy and its population. So far, we can conclude that this process is uneven, irregular, and harsh statements of the Belarusian president indicate that the Belarusian elite is beginning to lose patience, ”Bezpalko said.
    Read more: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2019/11/06/ne-delo-grazhdanina-lukashenko-ocenivat-vklad-belorusov-v-razgrom-fashizma
  • Antares
    Antares 20 November 2019 10: 04 New
    0
    The gap, mutual trouble, war ... everything was also accompanied by the drawing of the same maps. With Ukraine.
    Nobody teaches anything.
    In the Russian Federation the same rake. The last ally, albeit willful, and not meek (like Assad, for example), we will surrender because he is too expensive.
    That's all.
    1. musketon64
      musketon64 20 November 2019 14: 58 New
      +5
      ““ We will surrender the last ally, even if it’s willful and not meek (like Assad, for example) because it’s too expensive. ”Not because it’s expensive, but because it’s“ like an ally. ”There are so many Americans in Europe, let and self-willed, but allies. Without any “as if.” And at the same time they cost them nothing. Moreover, the Americans still make good money on them.
      "The same rake in the Russian Federation." Where is the rake then? Modern Ukraine was not even nominally an ally of Russia. But only an economic partner. "Union" Belarus, however, is becoming increasingly politically estranged from Russia (as, see a little higher) with the inevitable economic gap in the same way as with Ukraine. Lukashenko and his entourage absolutely do not want to learn from the mistakes of others.
  • Luty
    Luty 20 November 2019 10: 44 New
    +1
    The article is unfortunately not very literate. And the author for some reason leads the story from the beginning of the 20th century, and this is fundamentally wrong. It would be nice for a guy to dig deeper and wider and then everything would be not so simple.
  • Operator
    Operator 20 November 2019 10: 58 New
    +6
    As soon as the Republic of Belarus leaves the Union State, the territories shaded in yellow must be reunited with the Russian Federation (and the green ones will take over the Republic of Poland laughing )

    1. VeteranVSSSR
      VeteranVSSSR 20 November 2019 21: 20 New
      +1
      We shared an orange
      many of us, and he alone ...
  • Alexey G
    Alexey G 20 November 2019 11: 26 New
    +1
    Good article! Sensible and very logical! The fact that Belarusians flirt with the West is true. Officially, Lukashenko is not hostile to Russia, but the nationalist opposition in his country is being fed up from behind the hillock and if the father leaves, a Maidan of the Ukrainian type can turn out. The fact that the West confuses Belarusian politicians so that they change Russia's allegiance is also true! They will do so! And the fact that after the break with Russia they will throw it (Belarus) is also true! That is why the author so strongly criticizes the attempts of some politicians in Belarus to become attached to the Western ideology of falsification of history!
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 20 November 2019 12: 42 New
    +4
    It is significant that within Belarus, the attitude towards the Russia-Ukraine situation was divided 50 to 50.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 20 November 2019 13: 23 New
    -1
    The author seems to be a student of Kamenev, a "famous site analyst". The same style - "analytical fantasy on a given topic." Moreover, references to any more or less serious sources are absent in principle.
    It would be interesting to see references to official sources with territorial Polish claims to Belarus and to the wording of Polish foreign policy in the same direction.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 20 November 2019 13: 30 New
    +4
    And the point is not that there was no "parade" and could not be (the Red Army didn’t command at all and they would never have decided on such an action).

    strange of course say so


    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 20 November 2019 14: 02 New
      0
      You may recall that the Germans took the Brest Fortress twice. First, Polish, then Soviet.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 20 November 2019 15: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: Silvestr
      strange of course say so

      And now the question is - is there a photo of the passage Soviet troops in front of the podium with Soviet commanders and German officers? wink
      Since I’m talking about joint parade.
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 20 November 2019 15: 50 New
        +2
        hi Alexei, how to evaluate this photo?

        transfer:In Brest-Litovsk, a joint parade was held in front of the meeting of German and Soviet troops in front of the commander of the German corps general and the Russian brigade general Krivoshein, representative of the Red Army.
        Fotoalbum "Grossdeutschland im Weltgeschehen" 1939 (Photo album "Great Germany in World History" for 1939)
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 20 November 2019 19: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: bubalik
          In Brest-Litovsk, a joint parade was held in front of the meeting of German and Soviet troops in front of the commander of the German corps general and the Russian brigade general Krivoshein, representative of the Red Army.

          The question is where in the photo are all the above faces? Where is the stand with flags? Well, as in this photo:

          And in the photo from the album - just the technique of the tank brigade Krivoshein entering the city.
          On all frames there is either a tribune with Krivoshein and Germans passing by, or our tanks - but without a tribune.

          By the way, here’s how Krivoshein himself reported on the state of the materiel of the 29th TBR at the time of entry to Brest:
          The condition of the mate rial part of the brigade is at the limit of wear and tear; the machines worked on average up to 100 hours without major inspections. It is necessary to give 3 days for the brigade to put in order the material. Urgently send spare parts for the T-26, especially the motors (45 needed). Still bad with gasoline and oil.

          I doubt that he wanted to go to the parade with all this ...
          1. Torquemada
            Torquemada 23 November 2019 09: 18 New
            0
            Entrance to the city? Are you seriously? In both photos, the current Lenin Street. Compare the building on the left in the photo with the podium and the building on the right in the photo with tanks.

    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion 20 November 2019 15: 49 New
      +2
      People met, chatting. Both sides are interested in looking at the other, and just like that, and in a professional way. Look for hidden meanings further.
    4. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx 22 November 2019 17: 26 New
      0
      Why did they climb onto the table?
      Will there be dancing?
  • Tzar
    Tzar 20 November 2019 13: 38 New
    +3
    It’s a good article, but one shouldn’t forget that among the people of Belarus there are many supporters of integration with Russia. Alas, in percentage terms, they are constantly becoming smaller, including due to the policy of the "strictest sovereignty" of Lukashenko.
  • DWG1905
    DWG1905 20 November 2019 13: 46 New
    +7
    There was no parade, but let’s say the change of the guard, some left, others came. Less ideology, then cooperation with the Germans was profitable for us, so they did everything right. Let's be honest. In general, almost all CIS countries without Russia are not viable. If it’s realistic for an adult to shut off oxygen to Ukraine and Belarus, i.e. complete blockade of the movement of people services goods and other things. I think 1-2 months is enough for the collapse. And Europe will tolerate transit until we figure it out. The question is not that we cannot do this, the question is what to do next. Absorb these territories, you can even selectively (unnecessary give the Poles). But economically we will not pull. There are not enough resources. This disappears if Belarus follows the path of Ukraine, gets its Donbass, and even a small Crimea can be. Those. in the EU and NATO we will not let, but we will not let die at all. So it will be on the hook in a coma until better times like Ukraine. I think the old man understands this. So far the situation is this, and all Minsk and other Norman formats are a smoke screen, until the stalemate is resolved with the West. Not one of the parties can not defeat the other and tries not to make sudden movements.
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  • KJIETyc
    KJIETyc 20 November 2019 13: 58 New
    0
    Quote: Olezhek
    Belarus has never really torn either to the West or to Russia


    Yes, you sho?
    All modern Belarusian ideology is litvism / polonophilism and opposition of Russia to itself

    And like ukraine did not write its state history since ancient times (although attempts at one time were made by Shushkevich)


    And you will get acquainted with the modern views of Belarusian publicists on history
    Be surprised.

    but with the coming to power of Lukashenko, such attempts of "inadequate" are suppressed


    February 2017 - Lukashenko flees to Sochi from the rebellious "parasites", pops up in Mensk a week later ... and rolls up the pathos rivulet along the Princes of Polotsk.

    Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Sofa iksperdy in action. And let's build an opinion about Russia solely on the basis of Moscow neo-Nazis? Or news from Estonian media? Then it turns out that the RF should be surrounded by a fence.
  • KJIETyc
    KJIETyc 20 November 2019 14: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexey G
    Good article! Sensible and very logical! The fact that Belarusians flirt with the West is true. Officially, Lukashenko is not hostile to Russia, but the nationalist opposition in his country is being fed up from behind the hillock and if the father leaves, a Maidan of the Ukrainian type can turn out. The fact that the West confuses Belarusian politicians so that they change Russia's allegiance is also true! They will do so! And the fact that after the break with Russia they will throw it (Belarus) is also true! That is why the author so strongly criticizes the attempts of some politicians in Belarus to become attached to the Western ideology of falsification of history!

    The opposition is feeding everywhere because of all sorts of mounds. Vaughn Putin trump chose even laughing I've always been positive about the Russian Federation by reading only our local media, I also drowned "And let's do the ruble soon, and we have a Russian one and give me the Russian passport." But after subscribing to VO and such articles by Olezhkovsky and the like, he directly turns away from such "brothers." drinks Although I understand that this is a smaller part, like our crooked pro-Polish opposition.
    1. eckons
      eckons 20 November 2019 15: 54 New
      +4
      Well, you didn’t like the article. The author just says that it is necessary to issue the Russian ruble and passports as soon as possible, but the Old Man does not order. For him, the independence of Belarus (presidency) is more important than your Wishlist. And he wants this independence exclusively at the expense of the Russian budget.
      Humanly, Lukashenko can be understood, and even from the point of view of a resident of Belarus, this is probably correct. But I live in Russia and it does not suit me.
    2. Alexey G
      Alexey G 20 November 2019 16: 41 New
      +2
      Well, a minority or a minority, but cadets from Belarus studied with me, so they all said that you have bad speech in Russia, we don’t want to go to you! We are good!
      Only learn from you for free and back to your home!
      1. shura7782
        shura7782 20 November 2019 21: 20 New
        +2
        it’s bad in Russia, we don’t want to see you! We are good!
        Neither to you from the north, nor Zab.VO nor Dal.VO. and our other hardships and hardships.
  • Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 20 November 2019 15: 32 New
    +4
    Finally, they conveyed to Shurik the real picture and the situation, although I do not exclude the possibility that he already knows and understands everything, he’s just used to standing 25 years with outstretched hands, and now he’s also starting to buzz on Russia, give him 10 billion. $ And the armpit is big do not want to smell comrade Lukashenko.
    1. Alexey G
      Alexey G 20 November 2019 16: 39 New
      0
      I am joining! Cool comment! +++++
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    1. Mentor
      Mentor 20 November 2019 18: 58 New
      0
      Totally agree with you. But the author of the article distorts the facts, and indeed, lies. After the 91st year, two enterprises of the woodworking industry were closed in the city of Mozyr (in the 100th city, there were three of them). The feed yeast plant was redesigned into an alcohol-vodka factory (in vain, of course, from my point of view). And that’s all about closure and ruin. The refinery was completely refitted, the cable plant is developing new types of cables, potash salt mines and a mining and processing plant are being built in neighboring Petrikovsky district. All this is financed from the own funds of enterprises, and loans. The only project with Russian capital, the caustic soda plant, stalled at the design stage. And, by the way, to whom personally Lukashenko owes, I recommend going to Minsk and demanding his own debts.
    2. Alexey G
      Alexey G 20 November 2019 22: 01 New
      +1
      Brest is wonderful! Here you are in Brest and think well who is closer and dearer to you, so to speak! We are Slav brothers, that we always stand behind you, stood and will stand, or they are Polish, German, and even worse American!
  • dgonni
    dgonni 20 November 2019 19: 28 New
    +2
    I alone did not understand the meaning of this opus? Start from the parade in Brest in the distant 1939. And talk about the bow to the whole sheet.
    P.S. Purely a question for the author! So there was a parade or not? And then somehow it is not clear
    1. VeteranVSSSR
      VeteranVSSSR 20 November 2019 21: 23 New
      +1
      Judging by the comments, this doesn’t interest anyone. But tryndet and buoys to pour is YES !!!
      Amen...
      1. g_ae
        g_ae 21 November 2019 06: 59 New
        +2
        It seems that the author was scared by a bald mustachioed man in childhood. In periods of exacerbation of phobia, similar opuses appear. Maybe it already makes sense to consult a therapist and not splash out your complexes?
  • Alexey G
    Alexey G 20 November 2019 22: 11 New
    +1
    There was a parade, or it was not important, it is important that we were created by Russians, we gave birth to it as a state, that’s what the main idea of ​​the author is about! And also the respected author wants all Belarusians to understand and remember this well, for we are Russian relatives, like relatives of Ukrainians, hard-working and Orthodox believers, as well as the historical past, and to refuse this is stupid and ridiculous, and also sinful!
  • Adinfka
    Adinfka 22 November 2019 08: 43 New
    +1
    Well, so I came to the comments. Judging by what I read over the past six months, someone drives a big wedge between Russia and Belarus. Not only VO is noted, but also other publications. And the primary source is usually the yellow press.
    1. Olezhek
      22 November 2019 10: 04 New
      +1
      Well, so I came to the comments. Judging by what I read over the past six months, someone drives a big wedge between Russia and Belarus. Not only VO is noted, but also other publications.


      Belpress read: tut.by and more.
      Be surprised.
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      2. Mentor
        Mentor 23 November 2019 09: 29 New
        +1
        I’m not going to order you, but I recommend not to get hung up on anti-government media. On the Internet there are sites of district newspapers, regional and republican pro-government. To complete the picture, the analyst must also read them.
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  • internal enemy
    internal enemy 22 November 2019 13: 52 New
    -4
    Belarus is made of two pieces, funny, the Russian Federation lost the war to the Poles, by the way, not the first time, and then in 1939 western Belarus entered the USSR. There would have been no German attack on Poland and eastern Belarus would have entered Poland, and not the western one in the USSR.
    1. Olezhek
      22 November 2019 21: 57 New
      +1
      Russia lost the war to the Poles, by the way, not the first time, and then in 1939


      Dear Druk - most recently, in the Donbass, Russians showed how they can defend their land from the Nazis
      I look forward to watching how “independent Belarus” can do it
      so to speak "on their own and at their own expense."
      It will be interesting.
      1. internal enemy
        internal enemy 22 November 2019 22: 32 New
        -1
        If you need to be sure what you will do, the army, with a small number, has everything you need.
  • internal enemy
    internal enemy 22 November 2019 14: 10 New
    -2
    In Belarus, although industry has been preserved with more and agriculture is developing well, sitting on an oil and gas pipe will not work for a long time.
    1. Olezhek
      22 November 2019 21: 59 New
      +2
      In Belarus, although industry has been preserved with more and agriculture is developing well, sitting on an oil and gas pipe will not work for a long time.


      Alexander Lukashenko instructed the Chairman of the Board of the National Bank, Pavel Kallaur, to attract banks to assist the lagging agricultural organizations of the Vitebsk region, the press service of the President of Belarus reports.

      The head of state was informed about the appeal from the region to the banking system to provide sponsorship assistance to the lagging farms of the Vitebsk region. But a refusal was received from them.

      “Pavel Vladimirovich [Kallaur], do this immediately,” Lukashenko demanded. - We are talking about the National Bank and its subordinate structures (and everything is subordinate to it), we will talk separately. Zhiruet Zhulye. Former and real. And they don’t want to do [help]. Therefore, load them - on the collective farm, one and a half, two, let them work there. This is not discussed.
      Read more: https://news.tut.by/economics/662396.html
      1. internal enemy
        internal enemy 22 November 2019 22: 34 New
        -1
        Everything is known in comparison, it makes no sense to cite data from the minstat of the Republic of Belarus, and there are lagging everywhere.
    2. Alexey G
      Alexey G 23 November 2019 09: 10 New
      0
      And we do not sit already only on a gas and oil pipe! We sell rockets to Turkey, tanks of India, flour to China! And tomorrow something else! So the old fairy tale about oil can be remembered with a smile!
      And those who put a wedge between relatives, between parents and children, between mother Russia and her sons and daughters Ukraine and Belarus put us on this gas needle!
      Our enemies are external, so you will remain an internal enemy with a nose!
      1. g_ae
        g_ae 23 November 2019 11: 43 New
        -4
        It’s a nightmare that kissel-tv, coupled with droppings with the brains of Russians doing. Some kind of parallel reality. Staple.
        1. Alexey G
          Alexey G 23 November 2019 16: 41 New
          0
          Well, where does Kiselev then? But the litter in my head
          some
          Russians washed all kinds of liberal liberal fake news! And then they have the main problem, and not those who watch Kiseleva and Solveva! For such friends of Russia here live not by our Russian, but by foreign interests and do not even suspect it! They think it’s better, but not better! Watering the head with droppings and insulting ourselves, accusing us of not being able to live better - life doesn't do better!
          1. g_ae
            g_ae 23 November 2019 17: 00 New
            -5
            Firstly, I am not a Russian. Secondly, yes, you have almost the entire top not living in Russia, but in your own and foreign interests (and quite consciously). There is no need to insult anyone. Just get your head out of s ... and call the obvious things by their proper names.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 23 November 2019 17: 07 New
              +2
              Quote: g_ae
              Firstly, I am not a Russian

              Enough. Pass by yes
              1. g_ae
                g_ae 23 November 2019 17: 24 New
                -3
                I can not. It's a shame for the historical Motherland.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 23 November 2019 17: 25 New
                  +3
                  Quote: g_ae
                  I can not

                  Well, the master is a master ... The Ministry of Health warned, if that request
                  1. g_ae
                    g_ae 23 November 2019 17: 54 New
                    -1
                    Charming. So when a crowd of Jews with passports of different countries at the next evening call ... discusses the problems of Russophobia (the truth then comes to the conclusion that for some reason it is necessary to fight anti-Semitism), then this is normal. And if a Russian living in Minsk, then the Ministry of Health warned. Well, I say, what has the country turned into after rising from its knees? The farther, the more fun.
            2. Alexey G
              Alexey G 23 November 2019 18: 24 New
              0
              Wow, what a smart look? And where say the tops did not live in their own interests? Maybe on Mars? And what kind of foreign interests does Putin have? I don’t know. Pull your head out and see how you want? Nooo. It’s better I’ll watch myself how I want and how I see. Maybe if you were at the top you would distribute everything to everyone? I do not think comrade provocateur!
              Maybe the president of Belarus does not have his own interests, lives as an altruist?
              So you don’t seem to say that he is Indian Ahimsa
              1. g_ae
                g_ae 23 November 2019 18: 41 New
                -3
                It’s the same as arguing with a sectarian about faith. It makes no sense.
                1. Alexey G
                  Alexey G 23 November 2019 18: 59 New
                  +1
                  To love the place where you live and was born, to love your relatives and all your fellow countrymen and co-religionists, all with whom the grandfathers fought together and great-grandfathers - this is not sectarianism, this is CHURCH. Even better - this is CATHEDRAL. And a sect is an outcast who has separated and fled to a foreign land! We do not hate you, we forgive you ...
                  1. g_ae
                    g_ae 23 November 2019 19: 05 New
                    -2
                    Yeah. We thought it was the bottom, but here we knocked from below. Here zhezh accidentally guessed about "sectarianism."
                    1. Alexey G
                      Alexey G 23 November 2019 19: 08 New
                      +2
                      The bottom is the level of your consciousness and intelligence ?? laughing
                      1. g_ae
                        g_ae 23 November 2019 19: 13 New
                        -2
                        Well, let it be both. You, most importantly, do not worry. Where are we for the renegades to bondage heights.
                      2. Alexey G
                        Alexey G 23 November 2019 19: 17 New
                        +2
                        Don’t worry yourself, we’re so calm, we don’t plan to run, we live well in your company, you worry for yourself there, otherwise you’ll get sick of it, where will you go?
                      3. g_ae
                        g_ae 23 November 2019 19: 26 New
                        -2
                        Well, judging by the number of foreign passports and foreign real estate and your tight leaders, as well as how your governors and officials are running over the hill with stolen money, I would not be so sure. And if he becomes stupid, does his historical Homeland really not accept?
                      4. Alexey G
                        Alexey G 23 November 2019 19: 49 New
                        0
                        Fast-witted leaders are with you, and we have the best president in the world. About runners such as you heard, but they are not our leaders ... They want to see you, so they are yours. And the homeland may and it will not decide for me to decide, or maybe it will kick ...
                      5. g_ae
                        g_ae 23 November 2019 20: 02 New
                        +1
                        I haven’t laughed like that for a long time. It seems that only Bakiev was accepted from us. Your juliet tears further to the West (or to the Middle East more often). Thanks for the good mood. By the way, didn’t your pride bother you?
                      6. Alexey G
                        Alexey G 23 November 2019 20: 46 New
                        -1
                        It’s only for you that there is a difference farther or closer, but for me it’s the runner, since he abandoned his homeland ... But the swindler is not ours and yours, it is common, it is everywhere. I didn’t put on shoes ... sorry you didn’t raise him ... mood negative
                      7. g_ae
                        g_ae 23 November 2019 21: 22 New
                        +1
                        Right now I’ll lower it even lower. Look here. I have been living in Belarus since the beginning of the 80s, when there was one country. So fate happened. My relatives in Russia live from St. Petersburg to Vladivostok. On business, I come to Russia at least once every two months. I regularly visit relatives in the North Caucasus and see what the Russian hinterland is turning into.
                        We in Minsk broadcast in the mandatory package ORT, NTV, RTR. All Russian news and all moronic Russian talk shows can be watched quite freely. Plus the internet. The second official language in Belarus is Russian. Minsk is a more Russian city than Peter or Moscow. It is enough to go to the Komarovsky market in Minsk and compare it with any market in St. Petersburg or Moscow. I am not a fan of Lukashenko and perfectly understand all our problems. I can judge events both in my country and more or less objectively about events in Russia. You, on the basis of a foul-smelling heap, which this article is made up of biased facts, propaganda cliches, clichés and personal complexes of the author, give out judgments of universal scale and universal stupidity, as one movie hero used to say. But say not shod.
                        By the way, I was born in Grozny. And how many Russians are there now? Or runners too.
                        By the way, is it easy for a Russian to obtain Russian citizenship? Take an interest. You will be surprised.
                      8. Alexey G
                        Alexey G 23 November 2019 21: 36 New
                        -1
                        Why are you so worried about us? About the Russian outback? Does nostalgia torment you? And why are you so offended by a decent article by the author? What exactly did she hurt you with? I suspect that if touched, that is, for what ... Where did you find the stamps in it? The author has a clear political and ideological position, it is clear and consistent! I did not see stamps in it. But if you think it is tendentious, then there are probably other articles of this kind and there is a reason to think so and write like that. Or do your stamps in your head interfere with this?
                        There are enough Russians living in Grozny now, I can’t count right away, but my friend lives and says that it’s good in Grozny.
                        Are you far from Grozny rushed? Judging by this opus
                        Minsk is a more Russian city than Peter or Moscow. It is enough to go to the Komarovsky market in Minsk and compare it with any market in St. Petersburg or Moscow.

                        Are you intolerant of other nations? Then it smells bad of you ... Do not waste more time on your blah blah ... It’s not interesting with you ... no
  • brat07
    brat07 23 November 2019 13: 30 New
    0
    Quote: Alexey G
    And we do not sit already only on a gas and oil pipe! We sell rockets to Turkey, tanks of India, flour to China! And tomorrow something else! So the old fairy tale about oil can be remembered with a smile!
    And those who put a wedge between relatives, between parents and children, between mother Russia and her sons and daughters Ukraine and Belarus put us on this gas needle!
    Our enemies are external, so you will remain an internal enemy with a nose!

    It was not for nothing that he chose this "nickname" - "internal enemy." Oh no wonder!
  • Brigadier
    Brigadier 23 November 2019 18: 36 New
    0
    Lukas scratches at his ridge.
    He apparently hopes to screw into Russia when it gets hot.
    Naive Belarusian child. So they are waiting for him here after all his kookies. fool
    1. ship
      ship 24 November 2019 13: 41 New
      0
      "screw in Russia" - never. Maybe in the Emirates, but then you need to have an account with their bank.
      Will the West help? That is the question.
  • ship
    ship 24 November 2019 13: 31 New
    0
    A reminder of the known historical facts cited in the article in a manner characteristic of the author, in comparison with the current claims to Russia of individual citizens of the Union State, is very appropriate and instructive. Useful, good article. Many were shocked, as required.
  • kupitman
    kupitman 25 November 2019 10: 31 New
    +1
    Oh, how many defenders of Luke immediately jumped out. No, Luka is handsome, as soon as sanctions are formed, he, like a true ally, immediately scurried around and in Belarus a sea with oysters and shrimps formed. And Belarusian sprats are the topic. By the way, what kind of shores is this sea washing?
    As far as I remember, Luka, together with his country of councils, is part of some structures a la CSTO, EurAsEC, CU or not? Then the question arises, why does Belarus allow Poles to its territory, in respect of whom a ban on entry into the territory of the Russian Federation has been issued? Indeed, in accordance with the agreement they are obliged to prevent these people from letting Belarus. Why does the Republic of Belarus extradite Russian citizens to third countries for trial? Although she should not do this. Why the Republic of Belarus does not let some citizens of the Russian Federation, if there seems to be no border between us?
    We are kind of CSTO allies, then where are the valiant military RBs in Syria? Okay, the nature of the parasite does not allow sending military instructors, because it’s not acceptable, but where is the Belarusian TA supplying material support to Khmeimim? Or are we allies only when help will be needed in Belarus?
    No, how should they ask for oil so the Russian Federation should also $, but how to participate in the agreements, so immediately we are not friends with the capitalists and grabbers, here the socialist system is flourishing in all colors of the rainbow. But only your entire socialism is provided at the expense of these very capitalists from the east. Can go to market relations in terms of hydrocarbons? Or oblige you to build a nuclear power plant yourself and at your own expense? And then, Rosatom is building for your capitalist grandmothers, does not it smell? Or when for free - babosiks have no smell?
  • Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 28 November 2019 10: 43 New
    +1
    All stripping independence rests on two pillars, unconditional economic assistance to Russia, Lukashenko’s ability, speaking of independence, to look to the West, knowing that the West really does not want Belarus to become part of Russia. A striking example of this is the HISTORY with the Crimea, and they do not want to recognize it as part of Russia.
  • Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 28 November 2019 10: 44 New
    +1
    All stripping independence rests on two pillars, unconditional economic assistance to Russia, Lukashenko’s ability, speaking of independence, to look to the West, knowing that the West really does not want Belarus to become part of Russia. A striking example of this is the HISTORY with the Crimea, and they do not want to recognize it as part of Russia.
  • Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 28 November 2019 10: 44 New
    +1
    All stripping independence rests on two pillars, unconditional economic assistance to Russia, Lukashenko’s ability, speaking of independence, to look to the West, knowing that the West really does not want Belarus to become part of Russia. A striking example of this is the HISTORY with the Crimea, and they do not want to recognize it as part of Russia.
  • Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 28 November 2019 10: 46 New
    +1
    All imaginary independence rests on two pillars, unconditional economic assistance to Russia, Lukashenko’s opportunity, speaking of independence, to look to the West, knowing that the West really does not want Belarus to become part of Russia. A striking example of this is the HISTORY with the Crimea, and they do not want to recognize it as part of Russia.