The head of a rural settlement in Mordovia sheathed a monument to the siding that fell in WWII and responded to criticism

A report was published on the republican television of Mordovia, which tells about the repair of the monument to the soldiers of the Red Army who fell during the Great Patriotic War. We are talking about the monument, which is located in the village of Spassky Murzy, Ardatovsky district. The population of the village is about 140 people.

The fact that the monument was repaired in such a small village is positive, but the whole question is how it was repaired. It turned out that, by the decision of the village head, they decided to sheathe the obelisk with metal siding, which, frankly speaking, looks unsuitable for the monument dedicated to the fallen soldiers.

Evgeny Lokotkov (the head of the rural settlement) decided to use metal siding so as not to whiten the pedestal of the monument and the obelisk “after every rain”. According to him, "if he had money," he would "order granite from the Urals." The head reports that he was forced to borrow building materials - “on parole and under the land tax”. We are talking about the amount of 40 thousand rubles.

In total, for the two local villages that are part of a single rural settlement, the total budget is 500 thousand rubles per year. And as soon as the mentioned 40 thousand rubles are received in the budget of the settlement, they will be written off against the debt for the repair of the monument.

Evgeny Lokotkov:

I would like to tell people (meaning critics of the applied repair option of the monument): let them work in my place. Most likely, most of the reviews on the Internet are people who live in the city. And maybe these are those who left this village, and now they are looking at photos and telling how it is better to live here. Why did they leave? Would they stay, work, work, raise a farm, I would look from the side, how they will succeed.

In this situation, it is worth contacting the representatives of the business of the Republic of Mordovia: if it is possible to provide all possible assistance to, let's say, normal repair and restoration of military monuments and obelisks in small towns of the region, then it would be worthwhile to help.

Meanwhile, the network did not appreciate Lokotkov’s words, noting that at 40 thousand rubles, if you wanted, you could not close the obelisk with siding, but make a completely acceptable option for updating this small monument.

Report 10 channel (Mordovia TV Network):

Comments

[Thunderbolt]

Very reminiscent of the story here with this chapel. But I do not blame the head of the settlement. He is definitely not an indifferent person. Let the authorities come a higher rank and do it right. They have more money than these 140 people have.

[SSR]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Let the authorities come a higher rank and do it right. They have more money than these 140 people have.

+ or as in the article.

In this situation, it is worth contacting the business representatives of the Republic of Mordovia: if there is an opportunity to provide all possible assistance

Maybe people from the business to respond, or fold.

[Ilya-spb]

Support!

And I feel sorry for the head of the settlement. They don’t allocate money, there are no people ... It is spinning as it can.

Where are the rural development programs?

[Shurik70]

People do what they can.
And to all critics, let them do better at their own expense. Moreover, such monuments that can be restored are enough for everyone.

[K-612-O]

Well, what is the development of the village if, even under Soviet rule, the population escaped from the village. In agricultural people, less and less is required, only the national projects will begin to rebuild the infrastructure, but if it succeeds, it can reverse the outflow and begin, and then this process is not fast. And so only on grants, and then Mordovia is not the richest region, although it has recently begun to rise, but it has only just begun.

[Vladimir16]

Quote: K-612-O

Less and less people are required in agricultural

Uncle, people do not live for agricultural needs.
WRONG !!!
Agriculture exists for the needs of people !!!

Economics FOR PEOPLE !!!
Otherwise, J.O.P.A.

Drive it into your head and DAME if you can pass it.
It looks like you have one teacher with him.

[bar]

Quote: Ilya-spb

Where are the rural development programs?

Instead, there are programs for "clustering the economy" in order to improve its efficiency. When people are herded into "clusters", exposing the rest of the territory. From the point of view of economists, maintaining a compact infrastructure in a limited area is less expensive. The program of "optimization" of education and medicine from the same series. When a school and a first-aid post are closed in a village, the village dies out. And it didn't start yesterday, back in the USSR there was a program to "enlarge" villages. Gradually, a couple of megalopolises and several oil and gas "clusters" on 1/8 of the land will remain in the country. On the other hand, the economy will become efficient and will give more profit to its owners at lower costs.

[Earthshaker]

Big business has no time for monuments; they need to withdraw capital offshore 24/7. And small business here, like villages, is bent.

[Civil]

Well, if there is no money, and the memorial is destroyed, this is at least some way out. Just learned about rural poverty?

[bistrov.]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Very reminiscent of the story here with this chapel

And what, it’s very good, firstly it’s beautiful, secondly, the tree will stand longer, and that was blackened, out of the weather ...

[Thunderbolt]

It was built in 1728, Arkhangelsk region, Russian North ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Very reminiscent of the story here with this chapel. But I do not blame the head of the settlement. He is definitely not an indifferent person.

And I will support you in your thoughts.
And I will support it because in the villages (for example, in Cheremichkino, where my uncle lives) it is very difficult to finance, especially if few people are already alive, but they found funds there (though it was many years ago) they put granite slabs with the names of the dead . Both my grandfather and his brother are recorded there: Anatoly Nikolayevich Pokhodyaev and Pavel Nikolayevich Pokhodyaev. Moreover, in the village there was a monument to those killed during the Civil War. Last time I was there in 2001. Mom and her sister come regularly. They say that the village is in ruins: there is no work, everything is in ruin. What can I say, if in Soviet times, when my mother went to school, she was middle there and had two first classes of students, and this year 4 students went to first grade.
I believe that something has changed in the minds of people in the most fundamental way, if the monuments to the fallen soldiers look like this:

And the monuments to thieves - like this:

[RUSS]

Quote: ROSS 42

A monument to thieves

What times are such and monuments

[your1970]

Quote: ROSS 42

And the monuments to thieves - like this:

- but I like - that they no longer steal !!!!!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Thunderbolt

But I do not blame the head of the settlement.

A low bow to him from me. For the fact that he did not refer to the lack of funds and did what he could.
Yes, I don't like the siding on the monument either, but it's better than flaking, dilapidated and abandoned. And the critics who say that for 40 rubles it is possible to make an "acceptable version of renovation", let them do it in their district, region and show how to do it.
Thank you, Eugene Lokotkov, - a citizen and a person.

[4ekist]

Repair of the monument - at the expense of the local budget of the rural settlement. The budget of such rural settlements is hardly even modest. Hope for charitable gatherings of residents, but people live on very modest incomes (often only pensioners have incomes). Therefore, everything is clear.

[Alexander Petrov1]

The red price of this siding is 4 thousand rubles, and the rest of the campaign was shook ...

[Valery Valery]

It looks awful !!
But you need to know how people live in such a remote place. For most residents, the annual income does not exceed 60.000 rubles, plus a garden. And how do you blame them after that ?! When they covered this monument with siding, they probably thought it was beautiful and cool.

[210ox]

It looks awful when nobody cares for the monuments, and youngsters eat beer with sausages fried on Fire right away. Of course, this is not an option to repair the monument, but at least they did something on a miserable budget.

[K-612-O]

The peasant is really respected, and most importantly, he is right, before criticizing, they themselves would try to do something and sit in its place. It’s quite an example of a normal official, but he could sit on the priest evenly and whine like a dumb penny, and the monument would fall apart over time.

[Zaurbek]

60tr ... you bent it ... teacher 15tr, Doctor 15tr. Trainer 15tr

[210ox]

In a year. Yes, that’s what often happens.

[alstr]

In fact, quite an option. especially when you consider that most of the burials in the war were of the "sleep under a plywood star" type.

Those. the option is quite authentic (taking into account modern materials).

[Rurikovich]

But the dude is right .... It is always easy to criticize ... Purely from a human point of view, I understand him perfectly. Himself, before criticizing someone, I first try to put myself in his place
He didn’t take it down, he didn’t decorate it with diamonds, but he made it more rationally looking from his bell tower .... Now he knows that for years .... he will not look for money every year for painting ... After all, it is not said anywhere that the monuments must to be stone ...

[K-612-O]

Quite right, but I would advise critics to find this chapter and chip in the whole world for repairs and restoration, with granite they would help, would chip in. And then we have a lot of critics, but helping the veterans, sick people is somehow weak.
But in general, it would be necessary to create a public fund for the repair and restoration of monuments, so that people would fold there, at least 100, at least 1000 rubles. They would search for monuments, help local authorities in such small settlements.

[volodimer]

The head of the administration, of course, did not have any wealth of choice of repair methods, from the word ABSOLUTELY. From this hype, perhaps, it will be useful, they will find funds for this particular monument ...
But how many places that need to be repaired, and even with a traditional company by the round date, money will be given to the next office fool designers to make greeting card posters with the image of the Nazis.

[Vitas]

People tried. Funds are limited.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Vitas

People tried. Funds are limited.

This means that people have limited means, but the state. which was called the successor of the USSR, with a surplus budget and on the eve of the 75th anniversary of the Great Victory, money (in the extreme case, material means) could be found. In a pinch, Cherkali capital would be distributed ...

[Monar]

We are talking about the amount of 40 thousand rubles.

40k rubles for this ??? Don’t tell my slippers !!!
Painting a Tikkurila facade once is cheaper and more durable.

[210ox]

There, except how to paint and plaster.

[Monar]

Of course. A bag of cement (a ton of about 7k rubles). 2 bags of sand (finding no problem in the village). Can't you find a couple who can hold holding trowels in the village? Immediately at least 2 times cheaper. There will also be a silver coin from Tikkurila for the Soldier.
12 years ago I painted a rust-covered fence in the Tikkurila cemetery. Then she was 3 times more expensive than the standard silverfish. Now wipe the dust in the spring and like new. Do not count for advertising, but it is a fact. The neighbors repaint silver with ala of the USSR once a year.

[K-612-O]

You should take into account that all this must be brought in and those who know how to keep the trowel would also have to pay. Especially in the village.

[Monar]

Yes. It is necessary.
Let's count.
1. Cement is sand. Let the mixture Whats more expensive. About 1000.
2. Paint. Around 2000.
3. Delivery. Yes, let it be 3000. The amount is fantastic. It's just that the owner of "Moskvich" - "UAZ" has to pay for gasoline two ways.
4. Work. 2 people. 3 days. 6000. For the village it’s not bad. Another 6 tyres of taxes (specialists, correct, I'm not in the know here).
18k rubles. WITH RESULT. And not more than 2 times more expensive for ugliness.

[Stas157]

For 40 thousand. Healthy marble slab could be bought with engraving and generally replace the monument. A monument lined with siding looks ridiculous. Plastering an old monument for the village is generally possible for free, if desired. I know what I'm talking about. And there are hands. And always a little sand with cement will be found, if necessary.

It is clear that now the time is such that for free, on a voluntary basis, it is not welcome to do something. Even when it comes to shared memory. From here similar modern remodelers are born, striking in their originality.

[ccsr]

Quote: Stas157

For 40 thousand. Healthy marble slab could be bought with engraving and generally replace the monument.

Well, you started it, because even a simple metal fence in the Kirov region cost me 15 thousand rubles many years ago, and this is due to the fact that distant relatives arranged their burial and started to help me as well. So, by today's standards, this money is generally insignificant, and it’s very good that a caring person was found and at least restored the monument, for which everyone should be grateful. I am glad that people who remember their duty to the fallen are not being translated here.

[Stas157]

Yes, you look at the prices of marble slabs. They are not very expensive.

Quote: ccsr

even a simple metal fence in the Kirov region cost me 15 thousand rubles many years ago

I’ll tell you my story. A few years ago I went to relatives, in a distant village, to erect a marble monument. The plate itself with an engraving of about 4 thousand. Plus installation. The base is bricks, of course, cement sand, and the fence has been tweaked. Bricks, cement, sand arranged in a local club for vodka. I did not install it myself either. He also hired two locals for vodka. Total: 4 thousand plus half a box of vodka. I didn’t take vodka at the store. A comrade with me paid her debts.

[your1970]

Quote: Stas157

to put a marble monument. The plate itself with an engraving of about 4 thousand

-if years 20 I believe it ago. I bought 15 years ago for 7 000 marble
а now - like this
https://kirov.tiu.ru/p126661579-pamyatnik-mramornyj-1200h600h80.html
The monument is marble 1200x600х80 15 990 rubles./set

you are behind the prices, are behind .. years on 20 ....

[Stas157]

Quote: your1970

Monument marble 1200x600x80 15 990 rubles / set

And what smaller sizes do not happen? Take a look at the Internet there prices for marble slabs at 1800 rubles per meter. So it's this hour! And I took until the age of 14, there the prices were still half as much. And if you are stubborn, then we can cut ourselves into a dispute. I can search for documents, maybe they stayed.

[your1970]

1) 1,2 m to 0,8 m to you lot ???????????????????????????????????????? knee-deep is it necessary to put something on the grave ????
2)

Quote: Stas157

Take a look at the Internet there are prices for marble slabs at 1800 rubles per meter.

I to you link brought ... and that's the humane price for MARBLE...
and at 1800 per meter - it's cast plastic(!!!!!!!) "marbled" .... feel the difference?
This bullshit even in our city blurted out - like porcelain tiles
3) I would like to look at the documents - I know people who will buy a real pair of wagons by 1800 MARBLE ....
Yes, and I am ready to exchange monuments for all the relatives of the deceased for the money
1800

[Stas157]

Quote: your1970

you a lot ???????????????????????????????????????

What are you so keenly taking? Sizes are different. And I personally have absolutely nothing to do with it.

Quote: your1970

I brought you the link ... and this is the humane price for MARBLE ....
and at 1800 per meter - this is molded plastic (!!!!!!!)

Quote: your1970

I am 15 years ago for 7

If you overpay, this does not mean that everyone should take at your price. Here current prices for monuments: http://www.koelgamramor.ru/pamyatniki.htm
On the stove: https://izhevsk.tiu.ru/p348725319-mramor-pohodilovskij.html
https://izhevsk.tiu.ru/p348725321-mramor-seryj-ryskuzhinskij.html
https://izhevsk.tiu.ru/p348725312-mramor-seryj-pohodilovskij.html

Quote: your1970

I know people who will buy real CARBON for 1800 a couple of wagons ....

Do not make up. Yes, do not forget to put a minus to me. Apparently this somehow strengthens your argument.

[your1970]

By your link

Quote: Stas157

to the monuments: http://www.koelgamramor.ru/pamyatniki.htm

The 7 kit (the most suitable in size to my 1,2 * 0,6-but smaller) costs suddenly ... 6590 !!!
Yes, in addition, the hell on the pies from me - in Chelyabinsk at the quarry ....
Add to this the transportation and drawing of drawings and inscriptions. Once you get the average price in 12-15 thousand on the tombstone.

However, I repent - the wholesale price really said dipped and even the finished tombstones fell a little

[Stas157]

Quote: your1970

The 7 kit (the most suitable in size to my 1,2 * 0,6-but smaller) costs suddenly ... 6590 !!!

So what? This is the price now, and I took a few years ago. And not your size. Since you are such a meticulous price list in 2011 (approximately when you bought the monument):
https://koelgamramor-2.pulscen.ru/prices
Please note your size set No. 7 price without chamfer with VAT 4200. I had smaller sizes. All the same, lead into the village on a passenger 600 km ...
What am I doing all this for? Do not think that everyone is obliged to buy things of your sizes and at your prices. And those who do not do this are indiscriminately considered liars. All the best to you!

[210ox]

Yeah .. You obviously haven't been to the "modern" village ..

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Monar

Of course. A bag of cement (a ton of about 7k rubles). 2 bags of sand (finding no problem in the village). Can't you find a couple who can hold holding trowels in the village? Immediately at least 2 times cheaper. There will also be a silver coin from Tikkurila for the Soldier.

And how many years does this plaster stand? Even painted with exceptionally good paint.

[K-612-O]

The statue, the fence, the pedestal, it’s all been repaired, and everything must be brought back, I doubt that there is a construction market in this village.

[rocket757]

It turns out that when our head needs to do something, he goes to the district center, to the police, asking for 15 daily rentals! The rest have to pay ...

[Varyag71]

Well, go ahead, or can you just hit the keyboard?

[K-612-O]

I’m transferring a lot of money for that, I’m not tithe of course, but when and how much I can. And on monuments and temples and sick people. But there is no need to poke here, you and I did not baptize children and did not live in the same barracks.
Yes, and my hands are in place and a trowel and a soldering iron and a lot of things they can keep. So poke the reflection in the mirror and monitor.

[Varyag71]

I look, the only thing you can do is tap your keyboard

[pru-pavel]

I would like to find out what is happening there in Ukraine. And this monument, is it really interesting to anyone at all?

[Gardamir]

And in vain he threw cons to the man. They feed us with this news from Ukraine from morning to evening, but there is no time about their monuments like this. The man did a good deed, so they rushed to criticize him.

[bistrov.]

Yes, the "village" is bent. Practically there were only old people left to live out their days. Reason: no work, no roads, no entertainment, poor living conditions. On the other hand, the authorities can also be understood - you won't go to every village where 100 people live, for example, build an asphalt road and pull a gas pipe ..., with Russian gigantic distances, everything will fly into this pipe ... But even if there are roads and gas, people leave the village anyway. Perhaps this is the trend of the times. There is less manual labor, there are such specialties that have never been heard of before, all kinds of psychologists and political scientists, a lot of people in the village are no longer needed. And this is a misfortune not only for Russia, but for the entire post-Soviet space ..
So it is not necessary to condemn the chairman of this village council, but it is necessary to say thanks to him that he took the initiative and at least did so to the best of his understanding ...

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Yes, no one here seems to condemn the chairman. I got out as I could. Although this is an indicator of the standard of living in Russia. Some marble is laid in the city, while others lack funds. And what will happen after the last inhabitants die there? Then who will we blame for the dead? Sobyanin already said about the village that 15 million extra people live there. In the sense that they are not involved in agricultural production. Such a non-core asset that needs to be disposed of. And the thing is that soon the whole country will work in shifts. She already works like that now, but the shift will be in the countryside. Although they enlightened me, it is already there. And in these private agriculture and stretch the road, and gas pipelines, and electricity. Perhaps due to the owners of agricultural companies, and possibly due to the state. Everything will depend on the ownership of the clans. Of course, there will be no villages during shift work, indigenous people, too, will most likely demolish the monuments due to disrepair and as non-core care expenses. We are likely to have just such a future.

[mso.716]

What kind of rains are so interesting in Mordovia?

[The leader of the Redskins]

But now it's frankly SHAME! No, not for the chairman, he did what he could. He did not abandon the monument, he did not utter the sacramental "no money ..." And I am ashamed of our leadership. For higher ranks. Who will have more power and budgets ...
I am sure that after this article something will change, but in an isolated case. And how many such obelisks are there in the country?
No, our native state, just REMEMBER, if you spend the Immortal regiment, then you have to worry about the monuments! Seek finance and opportunity! Give bribery hands once again and send the selected money to such obelisks!

[K-612-O]

The state also does this, and then the population on the monuments is sorry urinates and sausages fries. But the most important thing is that people themselves start to do something, 100 people throw in 1000 each, already 100 thousand, otherwise we are out of business, we have our own garden, and everything else the state owes to us, and the country is not our impression, but the state .

[SOVIET UNION 2]

And what, our state is so forgotten? There EBN center is. There is a monument and Solzhen-tsu street. We even remember Mannerheim. Even the mausoleum is not forgotten. There are always materials to hide him from the eyes! So I think we have enough money.

[volodimer]

About the mausoleum, this is especially true!
Call it done every time! It’s enough to forget the story.
I am sure that for the next anniversary he will be "disguised" again. Shame.

[kjhg]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And ashamed of our leadership

They bother about Noterdam. Why do they need your Mordovia?

[AlexVas44]

It’s hard to say anything about the amount spent, but I can easily imagine how the obelisk was before the repair. This is better and cheaper than ordering from Tsereteli.

[rocket757]

Quote from S.S.R.

Maybe people from the business to respond, or fold.

"Our" people from byznys, collected a lot of euro babosiks for the repair of the "paryzhskaya godmother", for the "floating ventilation" .... according to the statements of JOURNALISTS!?!?!?
Now, if THIS IS SO, you don’t even have to guess which side they are ... soaped
Well, there in Paris, Venice, the masterpieces of world architecture and all that jazz ... I don’t dispute that.
But I really want to ..... in short, God be their judge, although a serious hint to the prosecutor and others should be concrete and understandable.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: rocket757

"Our" people from byznys, collected a lot of euro babosiks for the repair of the "Mother of God of Paryzh"

In reality, only Grudinin, who was spat upon by all the media, spent money on people and built a school, a kindergarten, a children's park at his own expense. And what! The rest of "our" oligarchs indulge only their pride, buying yachts, palaces and football. clubs.

[K-612-O]

Well, Grudinin has enough palaces too, and to the shareholders who filed a lawsuit against him, tell us how he spent money on people. Although I do not argue, I did a lot for the village, but how did he overcome all this at one time is also a question. On criminal loans-for-shares auctions, he grabbed the enterprise, takes the money offshore, so that also the "comrade" is not in a white coat.

[Ingvar 72]

Grudinin lives in a high-rise building, in the same place as the ordinary hard workers of his state farm.

[rocket757]

FACTS, do different commercial structures, firms, make gifts, donations and other good deeds ...
Many do not advertise why, why, I do not consider. It just happens.
There are absolutely opposite facts ... in short, it happens for everyone.
Simply, with our, for the most part, not rich life, we assess the situation in different ways!
It is especially difficult for former / former citizens of the USSR. Because we know, we saw how it can be different ...
Such is ce la vie.

[your1970]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Grudinin lives in a high-rise building, in the same place as the ordinary hard workers of his state farm.

- and then what?
Since he is the owner of the shares of the company, he can at any time sell his share of the shares to anyone (even Trump !!!). Given that the company has no more than 49 shareholders, and he, the family and three companies (subordinate to the family) have the bulk stock - he can sell almost all property COMPANY (including and housing / kindergarten / school) .....

Guess three times - why the village did not vote for Grudinin, in general?
The city voted for him, which does not know this scheme - "agricultural cooperative-JSC-CJSC" and all its charms .... and did not feel such "benefactors" on its skin ....

what happiness is for the village - a billionaire lives in a high-rise building ......

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: your1970

what happiness is for the village - a billionaire lives in a high-rise building ......

Who is better in power than Grudinin? Putin, Medvedev, Putin's friends? Maybe Chubais built a kindergarten? I don’t care how he got his assets, in the 90s there were no saints, the main thing is how he now manages his assets. None of the Vovin’s friends built a kindergarten at their own expense (although they privatized hundreds of times more during privatization), on the contrary, they cut down budget money, and as a result, there are thousands of queues in kindergartens. And this is with a drop in fertility.
So do not look in the eyes of others in the eyes, but pour mud - Navalny in his films Vovinovyh friends with the facts, with the papers, and they are all God's dew (and the same to you), they will buy another yacht, and normul. Where are they to kindergartens, wretched.

[your1970]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Who is better in power than Grudinin?

you don’t understand .....
1) he lied and dodged in front of the whole country - "but I don't know", "there are no accounts", there were accounts - but I closed them "," no - I forgot about these accounts "...
2) he didn’t have a program - not at all. All his proposals and slogans went against the program of the Communist Party
3) he absolutely does not hold a serious blow

He was deliberately unsuitable for the role of the president - a person who could not trivially clean / close his accounts, prepare and agree on at least some real program, who got soggy from a meager blow ("they are pouring mud on me !!") - and he has not even been not only the Americans, but their banal oppositionists began to beat.

In the end, he could at least read M. Twain's "How I ran for governor" before getting into the election race ...
“I couldn’t resist. I lowered the flag and surrendered. It was too much for me to run for governor of New York State. I wrote that I was withdrawing my candidacy, and in a fit of bitterness signed:
“With perfect respect, your once honest man, and now:
Vile Oathreader, Montana Thief, Tomb Defiler, Blue Devils, Dirty Dodger and Sneaky Blackmailer
Mark Twain".

I do not think the current ones are better - but he would be a zero, if not a negative president ... this is not a Turkish strawberry trade .....

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: your1970

"but I don't know", "there are no accounts", there were accounts - but I closed them "," no - I forgot about these accounts "...

Lying. He did not say that he did not know that he had no accounts. He said that he had them, but he closed them. And that’s it!
And reconsider Pamfilova's speech - she spoke to the whole country about his unclosed accounts, which, as it turned out later, were still closed. She didn't care about other candidates' bills. Later, she did not even apologize for such a reputational blow in the stomach. Deceitful blow. Grudinin was purposefully persecuted and "brought down", this cannot be denied, it was obvious. Even Zhirik poured mud, dragged this ostentatious self-immolator around the studios, who was allegedly evicted from the apartment. In the end, it turned out that the apartment was his son, and he was fired for drunkenness and theft.

[your1970]

well God be with him ... I lie .. okay ...
I really watched his press conference ... but a demon would be with them with those accounts ...
he does not hold

Quote: Ingvar 72

reputational blow under the breath

moreover ....
- and these are not even questions of war and peace, this is so - there was a political "sandbox" ....
And he was blown away ....
I’m even afraid to imagine how he would be blown away between the United States, Kurds, gas, Jews, stoned Polish ministers of defense, his own / foreign Nazis of all stripes and further, further, further ... the list of threats to Russia is endless (including internal )

Z.Y. I looked at such ears head over heels in 90 - how they pulled the village into their pockets, and now I observe them from time to time ... ours simply does not have Moscow land for the price - but word for word ....

ZYZY and I have not heard anything practical, except for the slogans - "he is a good man !!!" ......

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: your1970

ZYZY and I have not heard anything practical, except for the slogans - "he is a good man !!!" ....

I have not heard a single legitimate charge. Navalny talks about your idols much more justifiably, but they are still at the feeding trough.
P.S. And yes, for me all people are good when they build schools, kindergartens, parks at their own expense.

[your1970]

1)

Quote: Ingvar 72

Your

- But why did you get the idea that they are my idols? I expressed my position - that he not better them (and possibly worse).
I hope you will not argue that the Russian Federation is necessary better- and not just change the visitors to the feeders?
We’ve been looking at such a replacement for 5 years already. And the joke is that Yanukovych not only didn’t steal, but also reported from his budget, they came up with it in less than 2 of the year ....

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Quote: Ingvar 72

for me, all people are good when they build schools, kindergartens, and parks at their own expense.

- we had a drug dealer, he served, went out, started a business (he did building materials). He helped the church, kept a cemetery in his native village, helped to cultivate the park in the area, he made benches for free.
Three years already sits- 30 with something kilo gerych.
And such "good" cars I saw
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Quote: Ingvar 72

they are for his account

- not at their own expense, but at the expense of the CJSC. This increases the value of the assets of the CJSC - which increases cost stocks ... moreover, it builds ... infrastructure ...

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Ksyusha and Volfovich of course role models !? They live, of course, very ascetic! Well, like the other candidates for the throne of the president! Of course, I understand that they were all in the role of extras. But still, which of our candidates was poor? And who will support the rogue? So let's say in the next election there will be a candidate from homeless people or workers. Many will be willing to vote for them? They will not have money and offshore stock accounts. And will everyone vote for them as the most intelligent and honest? Or will they make a sour face? Phew! They could not even provide for themselves, but they are waving at the country!

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: rocket757

"Our" people from byznys, collected a lot of euro babosiks for the repair of the "paryzhskaya godmother", for the "floating ventilation" .... according to the statements of JOURNALISTS!?!?!?

Just about Venice news

A number of Russian top managers donated a total of one million euros to restore Venice after the November flooding. This "Russian newspaper" was reported in the Italian Embassy in Moscow.

[rocket757]

I heard such news. Here is an example / fact leaked to the press.
Refers to that ... no way, because we can’t influence in any way.

[The Siberian barber]

Buttzhet 500 thousand per year ....
The monthly salary of many power-holding uncles ...
This is the "development" of the village, with the "support" of an expensive (in every sense) government. Some kind of surrealism ...

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

And I am outraged, I am outraged by the journalists who made, in pursuit of "raisins", the extreme rural head, and not an official from the Ministry of Culture who gives out millions for party performances and fashionable stucco molding "don’t understand who" dedicated to ... We have already become accustomed to - no money, but you hold on !!! And at this time, some "effective manager" from the state structure receives a monthly bonus of several million. It is sad ... but even sadder when 140 residents "do not care" about this monument, when they believe that they should not take care of it, but the authorities "from above" ... and there is nothing to do with poverty, for the poor "village" is in their minds not much different from the rich "city".

[SOVIET UNION 2]

no money but you hold on

Exactly! Only the stress must be put correctly. There is no money, but you hold on! And it is really so. In this story, people have no money. But they hold on!

[Den717]

Meanwhile, the network did not appreciate Lokotkov’s words, noting that at 40 thousand rubles, if you wanted, you could not close the obelisk with siding, but make a completely acceptable option for updating this small monument.

What is a "network"? Who didn't appreciate it? Those who cannot figure it out in their own pockets, but give advice to cosmic stupidity, without bearing responsibility for them? Instead of advice, I would help with deeds ... The settlement on the monument paid almost a tithe of the annual budget. This should be appreciated.

[Evil echo]

For 40 thousand rubles you can sheathe a small house, but here the price is clearly too high.

[V.I.F.]

the whole question is how it was repaired.

In total, for the two local villages included in a single rural settlement, the total budget is 500 thousand rubles a year.

On this occasion, a long time ago, everything has already been said:

1. Having looked, He saw the rich, who clasped their gifts in the treasury; 2 I saw also the poor widow, who put two mites there, 3 and said: Verily I say unto you, that this poor widow laid the most; 4 for all of them, out of their abundance, were given as a gift to God, and because of her poverty, she put all her food that she had.

Lx 21: 1-4

Widows poor mite and tribute to Siberian ores
Equally sacred to you.

AS Pushkin

[nikolai.kolya]

this is poverty ...

[axiles100682]

Yes, the head of the settlement has nothing to blame. He at least somehow tried to repair the monument, as far as the means and imagination allowed. Although, of course, it was not so quick. Now there is a huge assortment of tiles both in color and size. I think the tile is acceptable, there is still a tile for natural stone

[Vkd dvk]

An interesting situation is developing in our country. Everyone defended the country. But monuments should be erected only by those who are still alive, and in this particular place. If there are very few inhabitants in the village, then the budget will be appropriate. The size of a muzzle. I do not mean that someone, an official, from the capital, will come to a specific place with a broom and a brush and paint and remove the garbage. Look after the monument, of course, local, there are no others and will not be.
Moscow was defended by the whole country. Defenders of Moscow, living in Moscow, have the same pensions and benefits. The defenders of Moscow, who do not live in Moscow (there are, I think, much more of them) are completely different, do not have the same. The so-called "Moscow allowance". For what? For the fact that with a Moscow passport, a man of the first grade, and all the rest of the second? How did Muscovites earn these bonuses? Mining oil, gas, uranium, coal and forging metal? Isn't it time for the Constitutional Court to be puzzled by the issue of equality of all before the Fundamental Law of the State? And the Guarantor of the Constitution to turn his attention to this? Or is His Majesty satisfied with this outrage?

[V.I.F.]

Quote: Vkd dvk

The so-called "Moscow allowance". For what?

For loyalty. The capital should be loyal. Well, prices in Moscow are still higher.

[zollstab]

Yes, not granite, not marble, no gloss --- the main thing is that it is well-groomed and not forgotten!

[23424636]

The fact that the monuments support it is good. But there was no front in Mordovia, so this is not a mass grave. It is necessary to put an end to mass graves and annually celebrate the requiem on Dmitriyev’s parental Saturday, and to Radonitsa and those soldiers who are not interred in the earth by virtue of circumstances, to do the service and on the relative’s grave to lay down this land (illuminated) to rest the soul of the deceased.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: 23424636

Cross the mass graves

As you say, there is a lot to do. It is necessary for the site to announce a fundraising among users and help people. We list who is how much - let the chairman pay this debt and we will be glad that we are not sitting here in vain. And about the crosses:

[urik62]

In my village in the Ryazan region, a monument has been lined with siding for a long time

[Incvizitor]

Wouldn't it be cheaper to paint, it would not peel off "after every rain" and look much better.

[DPN]

This is all SOVIET, but now it is not in fashion, they are being freed from it. Perhaps there are no descendants, others will not restore, those days have passed.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: V.I.F.

Quote: Vkd dvk

The so-called "Moscow allowance". For what?

For loyalty. The capital should be loyal. Well, prices in Moscow are still higher.

The "difficulties" of living in Moscow is a way to reduce the population there. Self-regulation method. When 7 million lived there, the burdens of maintaining the capital for the country were the same. Now, thanks to expansion, there are already 25 million.
You generated a good offer, for loyalty. If you go further, you need to include the entire population of Russia in Moscow. Everyone will be loyal.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: 23424636

The fact that the monuments support it is good. But there was no front in Mordovia, so this is not a mass grave. It is necessary to put an end to mass graves and annually celebrate the requiem on Dmitriyev’s parental Saturday, and to Radonitsa and those soldiers who are not interred in the earth by virtue of circumstances, to do the service and on the relative’s grave to lay down this land (illuminated) to rest the soul of the deceased.

You have a complete mess in your head.
Mass grave is not a military burial. There are civil mass graves, take, at least Leningrad. Piskaryovskoye Cemetery is a colossal mass grave of citizens of Leningrad who died in the blockade. Brotherly only because of that is called. that many were buried in one grave, and not one.
Further. The cross on the grave is placed in accordance with Christian customs. But representatives of different faiths may be buried in a mass grave, and their relatives will be so uncomfortable. It’s easier and more respectful for everyone to erect a neutral monument that does not symbolize either Islam, Christianity or Buddhism ... The monument, traditionally set up by the state. The country in whose name they defended.

On mass graves, especially with a mass grave, it is right to serve all clergy. To honor the dust according to the customs of the ancestors of the dead. All. And not only Christians ... I write this, an Orthodox Christian who understands and accepts any teaching that leads to peace and harmony. God is One.

[Alex Justice]

What is siding?

[Sapsan136]

And where is the work that draws on 40000 rubles?

[georggy]

The head of the administration did everything right based on the realities of today.
Well done.

[Doliva63]

Such monuments should be on the federal budget, patriotic education is the task of the state, and not local government.

[koksalek]

I have not read comments incl. push. In a stranger's eye, the critics saw a mote. And if he (the head) instead of the asphalt path makes just a sidewalk because of meager means, then following the logic of the critics he should be mixed with shit because his actions do not go in the light of global trends to improve life. And the critics themselves, what did they do for the village other than how to use it to satisfy their own needs?

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Doliva63

Such monuments should be on the federal budget, patriotic education is the task of the state, and not local government.

Totally agree with you. Then we will not have the boys Kolya from Urengoy, who says in the Budestag of Berlin that the poor German peace-loving soldiers SO suffered in Stalingrad .....

[your1970]

[/ quote = VKD Dvk] Such monuments to be on the federal budget, patriotic education is the task of the state, not local government.

Totally agree with you. Then we will not have boys Kolya from Urengoy, [/ quote]

It is not interconnected in any way - the budget and monuments ...
In the USSR, monuments were dealt with by the state, but people like Koli-Urengoy were then. And there were a lot of them, they just kept silent in a rag, and then it became possible ...

[Vkd dvk]

[quote = svoy1970] [/ quote = Vkd dvk] Such monuments to be on the federal budget, patriotic education is the task of the state, not local government.

Totally agree with you. Then we will not have boys Kolya from Urengoy, [/ quote]

It is not interconnected in any way - the budget and monuments ...
In the USSR, state-owned monuments were occupied, but people like Koli-Urengoy were then. And there were a lot of them, they just kept silent in a rag, and then it became possible ... [/ quote]

In a country that treats its defenders with care, not in words but in action, there will be few such Ruts. We were, are and will be. Here the problem is not in the quality of the person, but in their quantity. Verbiage, a split consciousness, prompted by words and deeds, not connected in any way, Kolya will be a dime a dozen. For now, you don’t see the relationship between the careful maintenance of monuments and the size of the budget.

[your1970]

Quote: Vkd dvk

Here the problem is not in the quality of the person, but in their quantity. Verbiage, a split consciousness, prompted by words and deeds, not connected in any way with each other,

You have now described the late USSR, no?
When, on the one hand, the slogans - "Nobody is forgotten!", And on the other - hundreds of thousands of unburied defenders of the Motherland were scattered in the forests.
Nameless ...

Who prevented to overcome this split? Throughout the country, five search squads were ...
Who interfered with throwing an army on this matter (at least all at once!) And in a year or two, put things in order while their colleagues were alive and the medallions did not rot
One demagoguery was ...... "We remember everyone by name !!" .....
The people didn’t see something? This balabolstva and double-heartedness ???

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: your1970

You have now described the late USSR, no?

Not. To my great regret. I do not know how in other countries, but in the USSR ......
The attitude towards them, living and dead defenders, was always such that you could not pick up words. I will not begin to pour out my indignation here and pour a mate against this state. Multiply negative.