In Ukraine, said that before the return of the Russian Federation "damaged" boats and tug

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Noteworthy are the comments that are being made at this moment in Ukraine regarding the return by Russia of two boats and a tugboat. We are talking about the boats “Berdyansk”, “Nikopol” and the tugboat “Yany Kapu” transferred by the Russian Federation in neutral waters, which carried out an armed provocation of the Naval Forces of Ukraine in Russian territorial waters in the area of ​​the Kerch Strait.

In Kiev, as it turns out, not everyone was inspired by the transfer of three Ukrainian courts by Russia. According to several politicians and political experts, "this is dangerous for Ukraine, since Russia expects its gesture to be appreciated abroad."



Political expert Anatoly Oktisyuk (Ukraine):

Russia managed to get out of the situation with the maximum bonus. Today, she has found a way not only to overcome isolation, but also to get Ukraine to adopt the Kremlin’s plan for the Donbass.

Recall that today the Kremlin confirmed its readiness to participate in the meeting in the so-called Norman format. This meeting is scheduled for December 9 in France.

Oktisyuk:

Russian diplomacy has made Ukraine once again. We need to learn from Russians how to get a big plus and political preferences out of minus.

Further, the Ukrainian expert writes that "in Russia, before the ships were handed over to Ukraine, the ships themselves were damaged and all equipment was cut into them." What exactly is the “damage” to Ukrainian vessels, which Oktisyuk himself calls “vessels”, and where evidence of “damage to property” is not reported. But the expert notes that now Ukraine will have to bring to Paris a document in which Zelensky will be obliged to comply with all the conditions of the Minsk agreements.

Meanwhile, Ukrainian Deputy Foreign Minister Yelena Zerkal announced that "the tribunal’s order to return the ships was not an end in itself." According to Zerkal, Ukraine now intends through international institutions to seek compensation from Russia for both sailors and tugboats.
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    1. +37
      18 November 2019 16: 20
      The boy who came in to carol in ... his family still owed her.
      1. +29
        18 November 2019 16: 25
        Normal people said that there was no need to "return", and now we get it. It was the same with equipment from Crimea. Once again, they convinced the Banderaites of impunity.
        1. +2
          18 November 2019 16: 31
          Quote: lexus
          Normal people said that there was no need to "return", and now we get it. It was the same with equipment from Crimea. Once again, they convinced the Banderaites of impunity.

          Appetite comes with eating
          1. -4
            18 November 2019 16: 48
            Appetite comes with eating

            Just fat in stash, probably gulls gnawed
            1. +13
              18 November 2019 18: 50
              Quote: lexus
              Just fat in stash, probably gulls gnawed

              Refrigerators did not work, fat became rotten in a year.
              1. +5
                18 November 2019 19: 31
                Quote: tihonmarine
                Quote: lexus
                Just fat in stash, probably gulls gnawed

                Refrigerators did not work, fat became rotten in a year.

                for Raguli it’s normal and very expensive and most of all Svidomo touches the soul .. about fat in stash :))
                but schA Benya will catch up and it turns out that there were platinum screws with diamond studs :)) and now brass and so on :))
                1. 0
                  18 November 2019 19: 39
                  Quote: den3080
                  for Raguli it’s normal and very expensive and most of all Svidomo touches soul .. about fat in stash

                  Well, lard with a smell will also go to borscht for "grout".
            2. -1
              20 November 2019 06: 14
              Quote: lexus
              Appetite comes with eating

              Just fat in stash, probably gulls gnawed

              No, really messed up:
              1. +2
                20 November 2019 17: 01
                Thank! Great comment and picture! You even minusanuli without looking. For the company, probably. I am toxic. He put his modest counterweight to you. hi
            3. +1
              20 November 2019 16: 19
              There they allegedly stole the toilets))))) To what extent the sanctions were brought to the country, that the toilets and sockets were removed from the trophies) Another change)
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          3. 0
            20 November 2019 08: 42
            And that technique - those tanks that returned to the VFU, fired at residential buildings in Novorossia and not only tanks. Once bent, and then two (the second time) bent - "hello, we are from Banderstat." No, of course this will not happen, the blood of our compatriots will be shed more today. And in 2014 it was possible to get by with fewer losses.
        2. -8
          18 November 2019 16: 37
          Quote: lexus
          Normal people said that there was no need to "return", and now we get it. It was the same with equipment from Crimea. Once again, they convinced the Banderaites of impunity.

          Now they will also compensate for the damage ..
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          2. +9
            18 November 2019 18: 14
            Quote: Svarog
            Now they will also compensate for the damage ..

            What damage, and what? Could you tell? Okay, Oktisyuk has foil on his head, why are you going down to his level? Anything, for anything, even by the ears or by the legs, but to pull it to "expose" the "bloody regime."
            1. -5
              18 November 2019 18: 20
              Quote: Tersky
              What kind of damage, and in what? Could you tell?

              In the money .. the ship is supposedly damaged ..
              Quote: Tersky
              even by the ears, or by the legs, but to pull it in to "expose" the "bloody regime".

              Where did you see in this commentary that I was exposing the "bloody regime" and by the way, I never called it that .. I wanted to say that nothing should have been given at all, this is firstly .. secondly, if you gave it away, you can assume that that the damage will be reimbursed for damage .. logical? And in general, why and for what purpose do curtseys to Ukraine? They owe us a lot of money ... our ships do not return it ... but on our side is an attraction of unprecedented generosity
              1. +9
                18 November 2019 18: 32
                Quote: Svarog
                In the money .. the ship is supposedly damaged ..

                Fundamentally, undeniably, very, very powerful argument Yes
                Quote: Svarog
                I wanted to say,

                Even Oksyuk understand what you wanted to say ... That's it, we close the flood.
                1. +7
                  18 November 2019 19: 10
                  Previously reported:
                  ... At the same time, weapons and airborne records that were at the time of the Ukrainian provocation were not returned to Kiev.

                  If you take this phrase literally, then all the weapons were dismantled from the boats. Hence the "damage".
                  1. +10
                    18 November 2019 19: 24
                    Quote: kit88
                    Literally
                    Literally, these boats are nothing more than vehicles for violators in an attempt to armed invasion of the territorial waters of the Russian Federation.
                    Quote: kit88
                    all weapons were dismantled from the boats.

                    When exchanging or returning agents, trespassers, etc. etc. they are returned to the back without weapons.
                    1. +8
                      18 November 2019 20: 18
                      Victor hi
                      Quote: Tersky
                      unarmed

                      It’s possible with weapons, just don’t grind the front sight. wink
                      1. +3
                        18 November 2019 21: 50
                        Quote: bouncyhunter
                        It’s possible with weapons, just don’t grind the front sight.

                        ! good ! A good idea, but with the condition, with the introduction of a turn in 360 degrees and up to the very aiming bar Yes Pasha hi !
                        1. +7
                          18 November 2019 22: 01
                          Since I myself am kind - I agree. lol
              2. +6
                18 November 2019 19: 43
                Quote: Svarog
                Quote: Tersky
                What kind of damage, and in what? Could you tell?

                In the money .. the ship is supposedly damaged ..

                I don’t think that knowing who we have to deal with, our side gave the ships simply in pieces. Surely, the technical condition was documented, captured with video recording and transferred to the signature in the act. All that was drawn in terms of damage during transportation after the transfer is dill problems and let them run with them even on the ceiling.
                1. +6
                  18 November 2019 22: 21
                  Greetings, Comrades hi
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  Everything that was drawn in terms of damage during transportation after the transfer,

                  Definitely good "Chubatye" figurative and deratization works were not paid. So the rats ate the wiring, and the weevils crammed into the canals of the trunks and navigation devices for the winter. request
              3. +2
                18 November 2019 19: 45
                Quote: Svarog
                They owe us a lot of money ... our ships do not return .. but on our part, an attraction of unprecedented generosity

                Let owls calculate a couple of thousand bucks from the debt of 3 lard, and return the rest.
              4. +2
                18 November 2019 20: 37
                Quote: Svarog
                And in general, why and for what purpose curtsies before Ukraine do?

                It has its own game, and another question for whom these "curtsies" are. In June, there was a decision of the Tribunal on the Law of the Sea on interim measures - between ignoring the decision and "what you please", they found some middle ground, but on November 21-22 the first hearings. Maybe it was not worth it now to give unnecessary arguments to the Ukrainian delegation ... Let's wait and see, it won't be long ...
              5. +7
                18 November 2019 22: 09
                Quote: Svarog
                In the money .. the ship is supposedly damaged ..

                And mined laughing
              6. 0
                19 November 2019 07: 46
                Well, in general, it is not "supposedly", but still damaged - a hole from a blank in the cabin of the boat, I hope everyone saw in the photo)
            2. +1
              18 November 2019 19: 28
              Quote: Tersky
              Why are you going down to his level? Anything, for anything, even by the ears or by the legs, but to pull it to "expose" the "bloody regime."

              They are sick ... They are fighting a bloody hebe! Wrestlers like Svido!
          3. 0
            18 November 2019 18: 51
            Quote: Svarog
            Now they will also compensate for the damage ..

            Open the "swarm" wider, fill it up.
            1. +1
              18 November 2019 19: 46
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Open the "swarm" wider, fill it up.

              What are the Sumerians! I do not like !
        3. Cat
          +10
          18 November 2019 16: 40
          Quote: lexus
          no need to "return"

          That's right, it was necessary to use the Odessa raid as targets somewhere. Well, for trolling and generally raising the spirit wassat
          1. +1
            18 November 2019 19: 00
            Quote: Gato
            That's right, it was necessary to use the Odessa raid as targets somewhere. Well, for trolling and generally raising the spirit

            ========
            good Well, this is someone who "spirit" (combat!) To raise .... and to whom and "lower" !!! wassat
        4. +3
          18 November 2019 16: 42
          Okay - this is not an official position, it’s some kind of x..lo-iksperd wrote, and everyone is listening so seriously. What will the authorities say?
          1. +2
            18 November 2019 18: 53
            Quote: Bogatyrev
            What will the authorities say?

            The agreement of the two parties on the return of three units, and nothing more.
        5. +4
          18 November 2019 17: 54
          Quote: lexus
          Normal people said that there was no need to "return", so now we get

          And what did you get? Some journalist, said something there ... Sorry, but to every "journalist", otherwise you can't name such a gentleman. It’s more and more interesting how it will go on December 9. Zelensky will manage to keep the pencils on his desk at least, I remember that Poroshenko, on the last "Minsk", was left even without them ...
        6. +9
          18 November 2019 18: 10
          In any case, it was impossible to give these troughs until the return of the Nord. It looks very ugly.
        7. +1
          18 November 2019 18: 39
          Quote: lexus
          Normal people said that there was no need to "return", and now we get it.

          Yes, surely everything is calculated. Remember how heated the forum was when they announced that they would release Nadezhda Savchenko. How deputies of the Rada rejoiced, and how they stigmatized the GDP. And where is that Nadia today?
          Zelensky is taking the first steps in the right direction. So let them rejoice today at the return of their "unsinkable" fleet.
        8. +2
          18 November 2019 18: 41
          So I don’t eat it, then I bite it.
          This must be remembered when working with them.
        9. +3
          18 November 2019 18: 46
          And how many years should we keep them? Until they drown themselves or cut into scrap metal? And where does impunity? Returning the trash does not mean anything.
        10. -3
          18 November 2019 21: 21
          Sharovarnikov where do not kiss, around, ass! The Kremlin played out in ,, kind uncles ,, So they got it.
        11. 0
          19 November 2019 00: 01
          Quote: lexus
          Normal people said that there was no need to "return", and now we get it. It was the same with equipment from Crimea. Once again, they convinced the Banderaites of impunity.

          Oh well! But what about technology without forms? So this is just a pile of scrap metal! And the fact that it became scrap metal before us was returned for this!
        12. 0
          19 November 2019 07: 02
          Quote: lexus
          so now we get

          And what got so interesting? Statement Mirror? So what? All European courts rushed to make compensation decisions? Here is the fact that Putin and Macron tuned in on the same wavelength, at least approximately, you somehow didn’t notice ... But the Mirror got scared ... They returned it and did it right. In order not to occupy a precious place at the berths, do not bear the cost of preserving this scrap metal. Ideally, of course, it would not be bad to drown them, but here, apart from moral satisfaction and political costs, there is no benefit except harm ...
      2. -2
        18 November 2019 16: 25
        In Ukraine, said that before the return of the Russian Federation "damaged" boats and tug

        Having made major repairs on them! Yes laughing
        1. +2
          18 November 2019 18: 56
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          Having made major repairs on them!

          And this can already be considered as a violation of the storage rules, "what they took is what they gave."
      3. +11
        18 November 2019 16: 36
        The ships were not given to those, but it was necessary to transfer them to the republics ...
        1. 0
          18 November 2019 18: 57
          Quote: Thrifty
          The ships were not given to those, but their republics had to be transferred ..

          And who needs them? A tugboat, so generally built early 70's.
      4. +2
        18 November 2019 17: 06
        Yes, who would doubt it. Lovers freebies.
      5. 0
        18 November 2019 20: 21
        And also Ukraine said that Russia "destroyed the church of the 12th century" ... laughing
    2. +17
      18 November 2019 16: 20
      We gave them boats and a tug and owe money for it? Normul.
      1. +9
        18 November 2019 16: 34
        Are you surprised? Everything is very predictable. It remains only to laugh.
        1. +10
          18 November 2019 16: 46
          The first thing that came to mind in light of this situation was the phrase of the secretary Misha Kozyrev from the play "Radio Day":
          “Lord, may I really be a fool?”

          How much rake can our management walk?
        2. +2
          18 November 2019 18: 20
          Quote: BerBer
          Are you surprised? Everything is very predictable. It remains only to laugh.

          The show goes on. And where is Zyuza dancing a cancan with a cord ballet? belay
      2. +3
        18 November 2019 16: 41
        Quote: sergo1914
        We gave them boats and a tug and owe money for it?

        And forgot to paint. Yeah. Here are thin faces.
        It was necessary to put fish in boats and cormorants there to arrange a refuge. So that the birds are full on ... filled in general. And in this form to return. With the sea spirit overpower.
      3. +5
        18 November 2019 17: 00
        Quote: sergo1914
        Normul

        Well Duc said zhezh: when the Sumer was born, the Jew - cried laughing
        1. +4
          18 November 2019 17: 38
          Well, let them flood them in token of contempt for the aggressor in the raid of Odessa. crying
      4. +3
        18 November 2019 21: 19
        Quote: sergo1914
        We gave them boats and a tug and owe money for it? Normul.

        ======
        Ha! This is what ....
        Somewhere quite recently, the Main Command of the Naval Forces (in the "person" of the tank Admiral of the Naval Forces of Ukraine I. Voronchenko) - I'm not kidding - he REALLY tankman (!) completely incomprehensible "transformed" into a sailor! Made a demand to return the Ukrainian ships detained in Crimea back in 2014 ...
        The answer was completely unexpected: "Yes, take it even today!" .......
        - Silent scene ....
        There is no money, no opportunities, no berths, no ready-made crews, no money for repairs and maintenance - in short, NOTHING! And not expected ...
        For about a week, "Admiral General" - "bloated" ..... And then he issued:
        "You MUST overhaul ALL ships and tow them to Odessa. Then we will carry out fault detection and determine: "how much more you OWN us!"...
        The answer was polite, but harsh, somewhat reminiscent of the well-known phrase from L. Kassil's children's book "Conduit and Schwambrania": "And by" by ... "by ... not ho ...?" (which, according to the above-mentioned book, means: "Do you want to get a" portrait "? .......
        That was the end of it .......
        1. +3
          18 November 2019 21: 56
          In Ilf and Petrov's "The Golden Calf" it sounds: "huhu not hoho?"
    3. +4
      18 November 2019 16: 20
      Meanwhile, Ukrainian Deputy Foreign Minister Yelena Zerkal announced that "the tribunal’s order to return the ships was not an end in itself." According to Zerkal, Ukraine now intends through international institutions to seek compensation from Russia for both sailors and tugboats.

      Normal move. They also want to cut money, although the "international" court can award.
      1. +9
        18 November 2019 16: 26
        The decisions of the international maritime tribunal do not apply in any way (!) To warships and do not apply to the internal seas of the states of which the Sea of ​​Azov is.
        All these dances with the courts in favor of the Sumerian awareness were overwhelmed when the zrad came.
        And the plan was that we would drown these troughs and preferably with the sailors.
        1. +1
          18 November 2019 16: 28
          Yes, everything is clear with the plan. You will remember how screeching and shouting was in the "non-poll media" about an "act of aggression."
          I am simply convinced that Ukraine will sue and go on instances. So in Europe they can also mislead us by recognizing, or rather, having already awarded us, that we owe something there. That's what sadness is.
          1. 0
            18 November 2019 19: 11
            Quote: Honest Citizen
            I am simply convinced that Ukraine will sue and go on instances.

            Who will disassemble there? By definition, these are not sailors, but violators of the State border of the Russian Federation. Damage? Which one? A tug of the 70s, boats "cost three rubles in the market year", well, who will try to take it out in court for a couple of thousand bucks sucked out of the finger. But "smell" is a sacred thing. Nauseous.
        2. 0
          18 November 2019 16: 34
          Quote: K-612-O
          Decisions of the international maritime tribunal do not apply in any way (!) To warships


          So it is, but why his decision was somehow fulfilled!
          1. +5
            18 November 2019 16: 37
            How sideways is that ?! There was no money, no withdrawal of charges, no extradition of sailors with legal clearance. And the deadlines all by that decision came out. Do not confuse procedures.
            1. -1
              18 November 2019 16: 44
              Quote: K-612-O
              There was no money, no withdrawal of charges, no extradition of sailors with legal clearance.

              suspected of armed invasion of the territory of the Russian Federation quietly left the FSB isolation ward and escorted by flashing lights to the airport. Just as calmly passed the border and customs control and flew home.
              Are you about this procedure?
              1. +5
                18 November 2019 16: 54
                There was no legal clearance, no one has withdrawn charges, written obligations to participate in court hearings. The exchange was made, and again they returned to us also people who remained under investigation or with not dropped charges. And they are not suspects, but accused. He was charged with evidence of a criminal act.
                1. -1
                  18 November 2019 16: 58
                  Quote: K-612-O
                  There was no legal clearance, no one has withdrawn charges, written obligations to participate in court hearings. The exchange was made, and again they returned to us also people who remained under investigation or with not dropped charges. And they are not suspects, but accused. He was charged with evidence of a criminal act.

                  Do you think that the accused will come to court in Moscow? laughing
                  1. +5
                    18 November 2019 17: 03
                    They can also appear on Skype, but in the refusal of the court, the article is also hung up. Legal procedures they are, how much the rope does not curl and one end. A vivid example of criminal cases of war crimes of Estonians
                    1. +1
                      18 November 2019 17: 06
                      Quote: K-612-O
                      They can also appear on Skype, but in the refusal of the court, the article is also hung up.

                      Why it seems that they will say differently on Skype, and they sawed on our articles
                      downhill
                      1. +3
                        18 November 2019 18: 58
                        They will be listed in Russia on the wanted list, life is long, Ukraine is not eternal))))
          2. -4
            18 November 2019 16: 41
            Quote: Silvestr
            So then it is, but why his decision was somehow fulfilled !.

            ===
            it’s very similar to the topic by the decision of the Stockholm court, such as nothing will and will not shine with money for Ukraine, and Putin is already declaring discounts and zeroing mutual claims (which do not threaten anything?).
            1. -8
              18 November 2019 16: 54
              Quote: Victorio
              Putin already declares

              News lightning: Russia proposed Ukraine to extend the gas contract for a year or enter into a new one
              1. +1
                18 November 2019 17: 03
                News lightning: Russia proposed Ukraine to extend the gas contract for a year or enter into a new one

                Were there any doubts? This story repeats itself almost from year to year. Either lower the price, then another "gesture of goodwill," like "people are freezing there" ...
              2. +8
                18 November 2019 17: 05
                You fully read the requirements of Gazprom for Sumerians, which are also duplicated in the EC, either there or fulfill or goodbye. And the headlines we write are such that you can’t save up a corvalulu
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                  1. +1
                    18 November 2019 22: 39
                    There is such a thing as an appeal, by the end of November there must be a decision ... In the meantime .... how many have not been arrested Gazprom points to the appeal and ...
              3. +2
                18 November 2019 17: 20
                Mandatory condition are:

                - the refusal of both parties from all mutual claims in international arbitration and the termination of all legal proceedings;

                - cancellation of the decision of the Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine to impose a fine on Gazprom for "violation of economic competition";

                - Withdrawal of the petition of Naftogaz of Ukraine to initiate an investigation by the European Commission against Gazprom.
                1. +3
                  18 November 2019 19: 03
                  That means there will be no contract, the conditions for the Sumerians are not feasible. A floating regasifier has already been brought to Germany, in case interruptions in gas supply begin - for the time being, before entering SP2, they will replace LNGas.
    4. +7
      18 November 2019 16: 22
      Shoot like a mad dog !!! Already sick of ukriya !!!
    5. +7
      18 November 2019 16: 22
      tochnik solarium leaked!)
    6. +12
      18 November 2019 16: 24
      and for parking at the pier, let the Ukrainians pay !!
    7. +6
      18 November 2019 16: 24
      "In Russia, before the transfer of the ships to Ukraine, the ships themselves damaged and cut all the equipment on them"

      I hope that before "transferring the pieces" to the software, or even better, the chips were bookmarked. So that at the very first meeting with the Russian border guards, these "vessels" themselves would start scrambling! wink
      But seriously, that’s the way to do it!
      1. +9
        18 November 2019 16: 31
        Quote: Kurare
        I hope that before "transferring the pieces" to the software, or even better, the chips were bookmarked.

        There of the chips - a maximum of a mouse with such a nickname)) With software even worse ...
        1. +4
          18 November 2019 16: 36
          Whatever it is made of iron or software, but when you try to use these pelvis for its intended purpose, they must self-destruct!
          1. +2
            18 November 2019 17: 19
            These pelvis did not drown Toko because the seagulls are filthy, and IT does not sink
            1. +2
              18 November 2019 17: 31
              Let's just say: to drive poachers somewhere very, very close to the coast - they will completely disappear. But the way they tried to use them was just a mockery and a crime against their own sailors!
    8. +5
      18 November 2019 16: 25
      According to Zerkal, Ukraine now intends through international institutions to seek compensation from Russia for both sailors and tugboats.

      These people just won’t calm down. They’ll spoil the worst. In the morning it is from birth.
      It was necessary to drown these troughs during the transfer, and the sailors to Kolyma to enlightenment.
      1. 0
        18 November 2019 17: 10
        And the best thing is to raise the Andreevskie flags. And solemnly. With broadcast to the whole world. To introduce them into the Russian fleet. The "value" of such an acquisition is .doubtful. But believe me, a moral victory and international resonance would pay off.
        1. 0
          18 November 2019 19: 06
          It was necessary to distribute a loaf of bread ... And after a layer of tea droppings would reach 10 - 20 cm ... In a categorical form, require picking them back up by yourself. Illuminate this event on TV)))
    9. +5
      18 November 2019 16: 27
      Give a rust trough and get more money for it? laughing laughing(when x ... l was born, the Jew cried. laughing
    10. -3
      18 November 2019 16: 28
      When a Ukrainian born Jew cried. It is Russia that needs to learn from Ukraine.
      1. +2
        18 November 2019 16: 40
        What to learn? No. Do not respect yourself?
    11. +2
      18 November 2019 16: 30
      Themselves nonferrous and cut off while towed, "the arrows transferred" to us. Oktisyuk is jealous.
    12. 0
      18 November 2019 16: 33
      Everything, everything, shaw acquired overwork, nevertheless perished! Three tape recorders, three movie cameras abroad, three domestic cigarette cases, a jacket ... suede ... Three. Jackets And they are still fighting for the honorary title of "House of High Culture of Life"
    13. 0
      18 November 2019 16: 34
      In Roskosmos they said that they lost the drill, so here it came up
    14. +3
      18 November 2019 16: 35
      Savchenko, Sentsov, Ukrainian sailors languishing in the dungeons of the Kremlin, detained boats, systematically Kiev is deprived of high-profile informational reasons with which they are hysteria at all international venues.
      1. -1
        18 November 2019 16: 41
        Those. according to your logic, should Crimea be returned? This is the very reason, even the occasion!
        Well, the idea with Savchenko paid off.
        Let's look at Sentsov and the sailors. Although, as for me, it would be better if the full term was unwound here, well, or at least half.
        But the boats themselves had to be handed over for scrap.
        1. +6
          18 November 2019 17: 11
          Quote: Honest Citizen
          Those. according to your logic, should Crimea be returned? This is the very reason, even the occasion!

          It is believed that even if you return the Crimea and pay them a trillion of moral damages, they will not calm down a bit. All the same, they will sue and demand, demand. And the courts will award and award. Such a nature - you can’t fix anything - I’ll free everything, sit on my neck and hang my legs.
          Sometime, someone will still have to solve this issue. And decide radically.
      2. -8
        18 November 2019 16: 55
        Quote: Retvizan 8
        Kiev systematically loses high-profile informational reasons with which they are hysterical at all international venues.

        Is it really the turn to ORDLO and even cooler to Krym?
        These are the most high-profile occasions in Kiev.
    15. +2
      18 November 2019 16: 35
      Cheap, how petty, Russia doesn’t do anything more like spoiling your troughs, Russia always thinks more globally, it’s your farmer-suburban mentality, pile a bunch of doors under your door, complain to the UN yet .. wassat
      Rather, all the guns were removed from your pelvis, than spoil something there, is it logical?
    16. +2
      18 November 2019 16: 36
      Well, that’s all right, because we have the majority of people in power who live in parallel reality, where Ukraine is still a fraternal country, and Ukrainians are fraternal people, which means that you can verbally set certain conditions and receive verbal assurances to fulfill them, take and return the military equipment ... One could probably be forced to sign something like an act of acceptance by which the Ukrainian side would refuse any claims ...
      1. -1
        18 November 2019 19: 29
        I think that at the government level where the decision was made, at least more access to information and I doubt very much that they think in terms of "brotherly people" .. therefore we do not know all the nuances of decision-making and are unlikely to find out, unless we get to that level ..
    17. +1
      18 November 2019 16: 40
      yeah, it's from that series that everything died! three tape recorders, three movie cameras abroad, three domestic cigarette cases)) they’ll not tell you yet))
    18. +1
      18 November 2019 16: 43
      Mirrors, as well as Ukro - the media say that Russia was frightened by the "international maritime demand" and therefore returned the boats and freed the sailors ...
      But in this case, a naive question arises: if Moscow had to return the sailors in any way, then why in return did Ukraine release "our prisoners"?
    19. +6
      18 November 2019 16: 50
      But always, Russia still has to stay .. Is anyone surprised?
    20. 0
      18 November 2019 16: 55
      Wait for a claim to the international court for damages due to lost profits. If the boats in Russia were not standing, they would have grabbed the polar Europe or half-boats. Billions so for $ 20.
    21. +1
      18 November 2019 16: 56
      The Ukrainian fleet has been revived. Peremogoya.
      1. +3
        18 November 2019 17: 16
        all ernichayte.Russians. as if your jokes did not turn into bloody tears. Do not flirt with the reptile. And crush right away.
        1. 0
          18 November 2019 20: 13
          Quote: Grigory B
          And what else had to be repaired?

          Yes, there the side of the tugboat is bent only a little. A pair of sheets of iron, 3 kg. electrodes and a can of paint - all for a short time.
        2. 0
          18 November 2019 22: 09
          Do you seriously think that they will do: "in Moscow beer for 3 hryvnia"? If only they try, then Ukraine will not be in its current state, and these "probes" will emigrate at best at worst ....
    22. +2
      18 November 2019 17: 06
      But the expert notes that now Ukraine will have to bring to Paris a document in which Zelensky will be obliged to comply with all the conditions of the Minsk agreements.

      Vilely how! smile
      How dare anyone even demand from Ukraine to comply with the signed agreements!
      1. +1
        18 November 2019 18: 37
        They took away another visor and got rid of the trash.
    23. +1
      18 November 2019 17: 08
      Maybe it was also necessary to reserve fuel?
    24. +1
      18 November 2019 17: 14
      Where Khokhla do not kiss everywhere joppa. Army folklore.
    25. 0
      18 November 2019 17: 21
      And the Selyuki could say that there were 4 ships, and only 3 were returned.
    26. 0
      18 November 2019 17: 25
      And what else had to be repaired?
    27. +2
      18 November 2019 17: 31
      Well, they do not say that they took away the aircraft carrier, but now they are giving the boats away.
      1. +2
        18 November 2019 18: 35
        This will be the next step.
    28. 0
      18 November 2019 17: 36
      Here it is: they arrested new ones, and returned the crumpled and spoiled vessels))))
    29. +1
      18 November 2019 17: 38
      Wonderful people are these non-brothers? what don’t do it, everything’s wrong ........ the panning campaign will not pass without leaving a trace ..
    30. 0
      18 November 2019 17: 41
      It was necessary to give in the Crimea, tse Well Ukraine.
    31. +1
      18 November 2019 17: 44
      Strange, I thought that Russia damaged ukronautilusy before receiving. )))
    32. +3
      18 November 2019 17: 55
      They returned the trough and returned as unnecessary.
      Reverance in the direction of foreign "partners" .... benefit from gulkin figs, on the other side of the trough, they were fused and okay.
      I wouldn’t give it, I gave it to the militia! For them, such a thing would have gone for the future. BUT.....
      1. +2
        18 November 2019 18: 34
        There is benefit, albeit small ... we made a gesture of goodwill.
        1. +1
          18 November 2019 18: 54
          Quote: cniza
          There is benefit, albeit small ... we made a gesture of goodwill.

          Hi soldier
          Honestly, all sorts of gestures could be used, but all this helps somewhat to rescue our people, return them home .... nothing is sorry for this, especially the trash we do not need.
          1. +3
            18 November 2019 19: 43
            Greetings! hi Here I am about it ...
            1. 0
              18 November 2019 19: 53
              The team with the sane is no better than the software! It is safer to communicate with such people through their sponsors.
              1. -2
                18 November 2019 22: 16
                Quote: rocket757
                The team with sane sane is no better than the software

                Lana Zerkal inherited from PO (Yatsenyuk was appointed)
                By the way, a good professional. Knows business
                She and her team have achieved a lot in those international institutions where required.
                The title of Honored Lawyer is not in vain.
                I still remember her by arbitration.
                1. +1
                  19 November 2019 07: 13
                  Quote: Antares
                  She and her team have achieved a lot in those international institutions where required.

                  So, for interesu, WHAT SUCH ARE THEY GOT and what useful, necessary did this bring the country to Ukraine?
                  In fact, even if you’re at least three times honored figure, if the initial task is so-so, then you will get the corresponding result.
          2. 0
            18 November 2019 22: 47
            Quote: rocket757
            but all this helps somewhat to rescue our people, to return them home

            our tanks on the Maidan would be much more helpful in '14, there is nothing worse than half measures and constant concessions
            1. 0
              19 November 2019 07: 15
              Quote: Barmaleyka
              our tanks on the Maidan would be much more helpful in '14, there is nothing worse than half measures and constant concessions

              I always criticize deficiencies !!! Only this is the reason to remember and not repeat the old ... imperfections.
              There is no need to feel sorry, we move forward with the song!
    33. +2
      18 November 2019 17: 58
      By yourself, do not evaluate Russian, petty, dirty, cowards.
    34. +2
      18 November 2019 18: 03
      Ukrainians manage to spit acid even in gifts that they give.
      1. +3
        18 November 2019 18: 33
        Here - here, we could not return anything.
    35. +2
      18 November 2019 18: 04
      Window Putin, again pulled our nose. So you need to understand Mr. Oktisyuk?
    36. +3
      18 November 2019 18: 32
      According to Zerkal, Ukraine now intends through international institutions to seek compensation from Russia for both sailors and tugboats.


      Yeah, that would be enough for a couple of cruisers ..., we could never, ever return anything.
    37. +1
      18 November 2019 18: 42
      Macron called "come to us", but the oligarchs pushed friends to the sides, shifting from impatience from foot to foot, and our gunfire, pulling up the ports, rushed to meet .... Proud UK, you say !!! UGH!!!
    38. +1
      18 November 2019 19: 32

      And no claims or compensation.
    39. 0
      18 November 2019 20: 01
      Yes, this junk itself is safely falling apart, but did they expect that our sailors would also service these boxes? laughing
    40. -1
      18 November 2019 20: 19
      “Wow, we left the bay”
      Ahead of our friend is the ocean.
      Our girls hid
      Handles in couplings
      And they are waiting for us, on the shore.

      And somewhere in the Crimea
      Girl in a pink sundress
      And her mother did not let her go for a walk.
      But we asked:
      Let go, mom, daughter with us
      After all, we damn, submariners,
      We are strong!
    41. 0
      18 November 2019 20: 47
      Do these boats also damage Mona?
    42. 0
      18 November 2019 20: 56
      I think this is another blow of the bloody Mordor. The ships were returned to Ukraine and they must again be maintained. And this is a lot of money. I think a new crew will be quickly loaded onto them now and again allowed into a breakthrough. I mean captive. And the savings and what any profit on the ships can break off ....
    43. +1
      18 November 2019 20: 59
      That's right, there was a check, it was not passed, which means that you can continue to wipe your feet and greet, with the gopota this is the only way, and "our" terpily will continue to justify everything and will pay off.
    44. +1
      18 November 2019 21: 21
      Well, as you would like, Ukraine thinks this way: showed a concession here, so it must give way in another.
    45. 0
      18 November 2019 21: 22
      It remains to find out who the unknown Anatoly Oktisyuk is and why it is necessary to litter VO with his "opinion"?
    46. 0
      18 November 2019 22: 45
      In Ukraine, said that before the return of the Russian Federation "damaged" boats and tug
      I don’t understand ALL of this circus at all, so two of our Sumerians did not rescue the ship, but here ...
      in this situation, it was easier to drown them during detention
    47. +1
      19 November 2019 01: 13
      It was necessary to transfer it according to the act, with the signatures of the parties and seals. And then immediately these acts should be made public. Then the "non-brothers" would have no reason to present anything. Although ... They will become. Tongue wagging - do not roll bags.
    48. +1
      19 November 2019 02: 54
      Damaged ... only ... had to be drowned during the passage ...
    49. +1
      19 November 2019 03: 11
      To give weapons to Bandera, even if it is bad and stupid and criminal ... It would be more correct to use these boats as targets in military firing of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation ... And the Russian fleet and Ukraine would have a science ...
    50. -1
      19 November 2019 03: 11
      they frightened the world, we’ll stop gas transit through Ukraine, but they themselves donated their boats, they didn’t take theirs away, and they drove gas, swan (as Zhirinovsky would say) before someone
    51. 0
      19 November 2019 07: 17
      The cunning plan to surrender and repair their ships there for free did not work out. What's the next step? Capitulate all of Ukraine at once and tell the Kremlin: “Now, according to the convention, you are obliged to feed prisoners of war!” ???
    52. 0
      19 November 2019 08: 06
      I wonder what else could have been damaged at this stage?!
    53. 0
      19 November 2019 10: 50
      I would be surprised if they thanked me for the return of the boats and tug! belay And so....what was to be expected! fool
    54. 0
      19 November 2019 11: 33
      Did you save the lard?
    55. 0
      19 November 2019 12: 23
      We achieved what we wanted. Everyone will know what we “did.”
    56. +2
      19 November 2019 13: 32
      "three imported movie cameras, three tape recorders, a suede jacket, three...."
    57. +1
      19 November 2019 14: 10
      What about ACT of acceptance and transfer which states that the equipment was received in proper quality and The Ukrainian side has no complaints !?! request wassat Yes
    58. +1
      19 November 2019 16: 16
      What else can be damaged in this scrap metal?
    59. +1
      19 November 2019 17: 51
      The holes were sealed with tape... :))))
    60. 0
      19 November 2019 23: 45
      Ukraine now intends to seek compensation from Russia through international institutions for both the sailors and the tug boats.

      When pre-biased judicial offices play against the Russian Federation (see Stockholm court smile ) why was it necessary to “bend” with the return of the troughs???
      1. -1
        20 November 2019 14: 52
        And then Matryoshka promises more
    61. -1
      20 November 2019 14: 51
      Russia returned Ukrainian border ships in accordance with the decision of international courts and nothing more
    62. 0
      20 November 2019 19: 38
      What is there to discuss? Ukromarina was not handed over the property according to the inventory. These “ships” were supposed to go to the bottom (possibly along with their crews). In fact, these troughs are “as found.”

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