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In Ukraine, said that before the return of the Russian Federation "damaged" boats and tug

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Noteworthy are the comments that are being made at this moment in Ukraine regarding the return by Russia of two boats and a tugboat. We are talking about the boats “Berdyansk”, “Nikopol” and the tugboat “Yany Kapu” transferred by the Russian Federation in neutral waters, which carried out an armed provocation of the Naval Forces of Ukraine in Russian territorial waters in the area of ​​the Kerch Strait.


In Kiev, as it turns out, not everyone was inspired by the transfer of three Ukrainian courts by Russia. According to several politicians and political experts, "this is dangerous for Ukraine, since Russia expects its gesture to be appreciated abroad."

Political expert Anatoly Oktisyuk (Ukraine):

Russia managed to get out of the situation with the maximum bonus. Today, she has found a way not only to overcome isolation, but also to get Ukraine to adopt the Kremlin’s plan for the Donbass.

Recall that today the Kremlin confirmed its readiness to participate in the meeting in the so-called Norman format. This meeting is scheduled for December 9 in France.

Oktisyuk:

Russian diplomacy has made Ukraine once again. We need to learn from Russians how to get a big plus and political preferences out of minus.

Further, the Ukrainian expert writes that "in Russia, before the ships were handed over to Ukraine, the ships themselves were damaged and all equipment was cut into them." What exactly is the “damage” to Ukrainian vessels, which Oktisyuk himself calls “vessels”, and where evidence of “damage to property” is not reported. But the expert notes that now Ukraine will have to bring to Paris a document in which Zelensky will be obliged to comply with all the conditions of the Minsk agreements.

Meanwhile, Ukrainian Deputy Foreign Minister Yelena Zerkal announced that "the tribunal’s order to return the ships was not an end in itself." According to Zerkal, Ukraine now intends through international institutions to seek compensation from Russia for both sailors and tugboats.
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  1. knn54
    knn54 18 November 2019 16: 20
    +37
    The boy who came in to carol in ... his family still owed her.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 18 November 2019 16: 25
      +29
      Normal people said that there was no need to "return", and now we get it. It was the same with equipment from Crimea. Once again, they convinced the Banderaites of impunity.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 18 November 2019 16: 31
        +2
        Quote: lexus
        Normal people said that there was no need to "return", and now we get it. It was the same with equipment from Crimea. Once again, they convinced the Banderaites of impunity.

        Appetite comes with eating
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 18 November 2019 16: 48
          -4
          Appetite comes with eating

          Just fat in stash, probably gulls gnawed
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 18 November 2019 18: 50
            +13
            Quote: lexus
            Just fat in stash, probably gulls gnawed

            Refrigerators did not work, fat became rotten in a year.
            1. den3080
              den3080 18 November 2019 19: 31
              +5
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Quote: lexus
              Just fat in stash, probably gulls gnawed

              Refrigerators did not work, fat became rotten in a year.

              for Raguli it’s normal and very expensive and most of all Svidomo touches the soul .. about fat in stash :))
              but schA Benya will catch up and it turns out that there were platinum screws with diamond studs :)) and now brass and so on :))
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 18 November 2019 19: 39
                0
                Quote: den3080
                for Raguli it’s normal and very expensive and most of all Svidomo touches soul .. about fat in stash

                Well, lard with a smell will also go to borscht for "grout".
          2. Baloo
            Baloo 20 November 2019 06: 14
            -1
            Quote: lexus
            Appetite comes with eating

            Just fat in stash, probably gulls gnawed

            No, really messed up:
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 20 November 2019 17: 01
              +2
              Thank! Great comment and picture! You even minusanuli without looking. For the company, probably. I am toxic. He put his modest counterweight to you. hi
          3. Mixweb
            Mixweb 20 November 2019 16: 19
            +1
            There they allegedly stole the toilets))))) To what extent the sanctions were brought to the country, that the toilets and sockets were removed from the trophies) Another change)
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        3. Eugene (Eugene)
          Eugene (Eugene) 20 November 2019 08: 42
          0
          And that technique - those tanks that returned to the VFU, fired at residential buildings in Novorossia and not only tanks. Once bent, and then two (the second time) bent - "hello, we are from Banderstat." No, of course this will not happen, the blood of our compatriots will be shed more today. And in 2014 it was possible to get by with fewer losses.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 18 November 2019 16: 37
        -8
        Quote: lexus
        Normal people said that there was no need to "return", and now we get it. It was the same with equipment from Crimea. Once again, they convinced the Banderaites of impunity.

        Now they will also compensate for the damage ..
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        2. Tersky
          Tersky 18 November 2019 18: 14
          +9
          Quote: Svarog
          Now they will also compensate for the damage ..

          What damage, and what? Could you tell? Okay, Oktisyuk has foil on his head, why are you going down to his level? Anything, for anything, even by the ears or by the legs, but to pull it to "expose" the "bloody regime."
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 18 November 2019 18: 20
            -5
            Quote: Tersky
            What kind of damage, and in what? Could you tell?

            In the money .. the ship is supposedly damaged ..
            Quote: Tersky
            even by the ears, or by the legs, but to pull it in to "expose" the "bloody regime".

            Where did you see in this commentary that I was exposing the "bloody regime" and by the way, I never called it that .. I wanted to say that nothing should have been given at all, this is firstly .. secondly, if you gave it away, you can assume that that the damage will be reimbursed for damage .. logical? And in general, why and for what purpose do curtseys to Ukraine? They owe us a lot of money ... our ships do not return it ... but on our side is an attraction of unprecedented generosity
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 18 November 2019 18: 32
              +9
              Quote: Svarog
              In the money .. the ship is supposedly damaged ..

              Fundamentally, undeniably, very, very powerful argument yes
              Quote: Svarog
              I wanted to say,

              Even Oksyuk understand what you wanted to say ... That's it, we close the flood.
              1. kit88
                kit88 18 November 2019 19: 10
                +7
                Previously reported:
                ... At the same time, weapons and airborne records that were at the time of the Ukrainian provocation were not returned to Kiev.

                If you take this phrase literally, then all the weapons were dismantled from the boats. Hence the "damage".
                1. Tersky
                  Tersky 18 November 2019 19: 24
                  +10
                  Quote: kit88
                  Literally
                  Literally, these boats are nothing more than vehicles for violators in an attempt to armed invasion of the territorial waters of the Russian Federation.
                  Quote: kit88
                  all weapons were dismantled from the boats.

                  When exchanging or returning agents, trespassers, etc. etc. they are returned to the back without weapons.
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 18 November 2019 20: 18
                    +8
                    Victor hi
                    Quote: Tersky
                    without weapons

                    It’s possible with weapons, just don’t grind the front sight. wink
                    1. Tersky
                      Tersky 18 November 2019 21: 50
                      +3
                      Quote: bouncyhunter
                      It’s possible with weapons, just don’t grind the front sight.

                      ! good ! A good idea, but with the condition, with the introduction of a turn in 360 degrees and up to the very aiming bar yes Pasha hi !
                      1. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 18 November 2019 22: 01
                        +7
                        Since I myself am kind - I agree. lol
            2. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 18 November 2019 19: 43
              +6
              Quote: Svarog
              Quote: Tersky
              What kind of damage, and in what? Could you tell?

              In the money .. the ship is supposedly damaged ..

              I don’t think that knowing who we have to deal with, our side gave the ships simply in pieces. Surely, the technical condition was documented, captured with video recording and transferred to the signature in the act. All that was drawn in terms of damage during transportation after the transfer is dill problems and let them run with them even on the ceiling.
              1. LiSiCyn
                LiSiCyn 18 November 2019 22: 21
                +6
                Greetings, Comrades hi
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                Everything that was drawn in terms of damage during transportation after the transfer,

                Definitely good "Chubatye" figurative and deratization works were not paid. So the rats ate the wiring, and the weevils crammed into the canals of the trunks and navigation devices for the winter. request
            3. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 18 November 2019 19: 45
              +2
              Quote: Svarog
              They owe us a lot of money ... our ships do not return .. but on our part, an attraction of unprecedented generosity

              Let owls calculate a couple of thousand bucks from the debt of 3 lard, and return the rest.
            4. Brturin
              Brturin 18 November 2019 20: 37
              +2
              Quote: Svarog
              And in general, why and for what purpose curtsies before Ukraine do?

              It has its own game, and another question for whom these "curtsies" are. In June, there was a decision of the Tribunal on the Law of the Sea on interim measures - between ignoring the decision and "what you please", they found some middle ground, but on November 21-22 the first hearings. Maybe it was not worth it now to give unnecessary arguments to the Ukrainian delegation ... Let's wait and see, it won't be long ...
            5. Gray brother
              Gray brother 18 November 2019 22: 09
              +7
              Quote: Svarog
              In the money .. the ship is supposedly damaged ..

              And mined laughing
            6. Dersturm
              Dersturm 19 November 2019 07: 46
              0
              Well, in general, it is not "supposedly", but still damaged - a hole from a blank in the cabin of the boat, I hope everyone saw in the photo)
          2. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 18 November 2019 19: 28
            +1
            Quote: Tersky
            Why are you going down to his level? Anything, for anything, even by the ears or by the legs, but to pull it to "expose" the "bloody regime."

            They are sick ... They are fighting a bloody hebe! Wrestlers like Svido!
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 18 November 2019 18: 51
          0
          Quote: Svarog
          Now they will also compensate for the damage ..

          Open the "swarm" wider, fill it up.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 18 November 2019 19: 46
            +1
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Open the "swarm" wider, fill it up.

            What are the Sumerians! I do not like !
      3. Gato
        Gato 18 November 2019 16: 40
        +10
        Quote: lexus
        no need to "return"

        That's right, it was necessary to use the Odessa raid as targets somewhere. Well, for trolling and generally raising the spirit wassat
        1. venik
          venik 18 November 2019 19: 00
          +1
          Quote: Gato
          That's right, it was necessary to use the Odessa raid as targets somewhere. Well, for trolling and generally raising the spirit

          ========
          good Well, this is someone who "spirit" (combat!) To raise .... and to whom and "lower" !!! wassat
      4. Bogatyrev
        Bogatyrev 18 November 2019 16: 42
        +3
        Okay - this is not an official position, it’s some kind of x..lo-iksperd wrote, and everyone is listening so seriously. What will the authorities say?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 18 November 2019 18: 53
          +2
          Quote: Bogatyrev
          What will the authorities say?

          The agreement of the two parties on the return of three units, and nothing more.
      5. svp67
        svp67 18 November 2019 17: 54
        +4
        Quote: lexus
        Normal people said that there was no need to "return", so now we get

        And what did you get? Some journalist, said something there ... Sorry, but to every "journalist", otherwise you can't name such a gentleman. It’s more and more interesting how it will go on December 9. Zelensky will manage to keep the pencils on his desk at least, I remember that Poroshenko, on the last "Minsk", was left even without them ...
      6. boriz
        boriz 18 November 2019 18: 10
        +9
        In any case, it was impossible to give these troughs until the return of the Nord. It looks very ugly.
      7. Vladimir_6
        Vladimir_6 18 November 2019 18: 39
        +1
        Quote: lexus
        Normal people said that there was no need to "return", and now we get it.

        Yes, surely everything is calculated. Remember how heated the forum was when they announced that they would release Nadezhda Savchenko. How deputies of the Rada rejoiced, and how they stigmatized the GDP. And where is that Nadia today?
        Zelensky is taking the first steps in the right direction. So let them rejoice today at the return of their "unsinkable" fleet.
      8. Slavutich
        Slavutich 18 November 2019 18: 41
        +2
        So I don’t eat it, then I bite it.
        This must be remembered when working with them.
      9. 1976AG
        1976AG 18 November 2019 18: 46
        +3
        And how many years should we keep them? Until they drown themselves or cut into scrap metal? And where does impunity? Returning the trash does not mean anything.
      10. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 18 November 2019 21: 21
        -3
        Sharovarnikov where do not kiss, around, ass! The Kremlin played out in ,, kind uncles ,, So they got it.
      11. not main
        not main 19 November 2019 00: 01
        0
        Quote: lexus
        Normal people said that there was no need to "return", and now we get it. It was the same with equipment from Crimea. Once again, they convinced the Banderaites of impunity.

        Oh well! But what about technology without forms? So this is just a pile of scrap metal! And the fact that it became scrap metal before us was returned for this!
      12. Den717
        Den717 19 November 2019 07: 02
        0
        Quote: lexus
        so now we get

        And what got so interesting? Statement Mirror? So what? All European courts rushed to make compensation decisions? Here is the fact that Putin and Macron tuned in on the same wavelength, at least approximately, you somehow didn’t notice ... But the Mirror got scared ... They returned it and did it right. In order not to occupy a precious place at the berths, do not bear the cost of preserving this scrap metal. Ideally, of course, it would not be bad to drown them, but here, apart from moral satisfaction and political costs, there is no benefit except harm ...
    2. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 18 November 2019 16: 25
      -2
      In Ukraine, said that before the return of the Russian Federation "damaged" boats and tug

      Having made major repairs on them! yes laughing
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 November 2019 18: 56
        +2
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Having made major repairs on them!

        And this can already be considered as a violation of the storage rules, "what they took is what they gave."
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 18 November 2019 16: 36
      +11
      The ships were not given to those, but it was necessary to transfer them to the republics ...
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 November 2019 18: 57
        0
        Quote: Thrifty
        The ships were not given to those, but their republics had to be transferred ..

        And who needs them? A tugboat, so generally built early 70's.
    4. Vend
      Vend 18 November 2019 17: 06
      +2
      Yes, who would doubt it. Lovers freebies.
    5. Alexander Petrov1
      Alexander Petrov1 18 November 2019 20: 21
      0
      And also Ukraine said that Russia "destroyed the church of the 12th century" ... laughing
  2. sergo1914
    sergo1914 18 November 2019 16: 20
    +17
    We gave them boats and a tug and owe money for it? Normul.
    1. Berber
      Berber 18 November 2019 16: 34
      +9
      Are you surprised? Everything is very predictable. It remains only to laugh.
      1. Ural-4320
        Ural-4320 18 November 2019 16: 46
        +10
        The first thing that came to mind in light of this situation was the phrase of the secretary Misha Kozyrev from the play "Radio Day":
        “Lord, may I really be a fool?”

        How much rake can our management walk?
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 18 November 2019 18: 20
        +2
        Quote: BerBer
        Are you surprised? Everything is very predictable. It remains only to laugh.

        The show goes on. And where is Zyuza dancing a cancan with a cord ballet? belay
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 18 November 2019 16: 41
      +3
      Quote: sergo1914
      We gave them boats and a tug and owe money for it?

      And forgot to paint. Yeah. Here are thin faces.
      It was necessary to put fish in boats and cormorants there to arrange a refuge. So that the birds are full on ... filled in general. And in this form to return. With the sea spirit overpower.
    3. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 18 November 2019 17: 00
      +5
      Quote: sergo1914
      Normul

      Well Duc said zhezh: when the Sumer was born, the Jew - cried laughing
      1. 210ox
        210ox 18 November 2019 17: 38
        +4
        Well, let them flood them in token of contempt for the aggressor in the raid of Odessa. crying
    4. venik
      venik 18 November 2019 21: 19
      +3
      Quote: sergo1914
      We gave them boats and a tug and owe money for it? Normul.

      ======
      Ha! This is what ....
      Somewhere quite recently, the Main Command of the Naval Forces (in the "person" of the tank Admiral of the Naval Forces of Ukraine I. Voronchenko) - I'm not kidding - he REALLY tankman (!) completely incomprehensible "transformed" into a sailor! Made a demand to return the Ukrainian ships detained in Crimea back in 2014 ...
      The answer was completely unexpected: "Yes, take it even today!" .......
      - Silent scene ....
      There is no money, no opportunities, no berths, no ready-made crews, no money for repairs and maintenance - in short, NOTHING! And not expected ...
      For about a week, "Admiral General" - "bloated" ..... And then he issued:
      "You MUST overhaul ALL ships and tow them to Odessa. Then we will carry out fault detection and determine: "how much more you OWN us!"...
      The answer was polite, but harsh, somewhat reminiscent of the well-known phrase from L. Kassil's children's book "Conduit and Schwambrania": "And by" by ... "by ... not ho ...?" (which, according to the above-mentioned book, means: "Do you want to get a" portrait "? .......
      That was the end of it .......
      1. Astra wild
        Astra wild 18 November 2019 21: 56
        +3
        In Ilf and Petrov's "The Golden Calf" it sounds: "huhu not hoho?"
  3. Honest Citizen
    Honest Citizen 18 November 2019 16: 20
    +4
    Meanwhile, Ukrainian Deputy Foreign Minister Yelena Zerkal announced that "the tribunal’s order to return the ships was not an end in itself." According to Zerkal, Ukraine now intends through international institutions to seek compensation from Russia for both sailors and tugboats.

    Normal move. They also want to cut money, although the "international" court can award.
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 18 November 2019 16: 26
      +9
      The decisions of the international maritime tribunal do not apply in any way (!) To warships and do not apply to the internal seas of the states of which the Sea of ​​Azov is.
      All these dances with the courts in favor of the Sumerian awareness were overwhelmed when the zrad came.
      And the plan was that we would drown these troughs and preferably with the sailors.
      1. Honest Citizen
        Honest Citizen 18 November 2019 16: 28
        +1
        Yes, everything is clear with the plan. You will remember how screeching and shouting was in the "non-poll media" about an "act of aggression."
        I am simply convinced that Ukraine will sue and go on instances. So in Europe they can also mislead us by recognizing, or rather, having already awarded us, that we owe something there. That's what sadness is.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 18 November 2019 19: 11
          0
          Quote: Honest Citizen
          I am simply convinced that Ukraine will sue and go on instances.

          Who will disassemble there? By definition, these are not sailors, but violators of the State border of the Russian Federation. Damage? Which one? A tug of the 70s, boats "cost three rubles in the market year", well, who will try to take it out in court for a couple of thousand bucks sucked out of the finger. But "smell" is a sacred thing. Nauseous.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 18 November 2019 16: 34
        0
        Quote: K-612-O
        Decisions of the international maritime tribunal do not apply in any way (!) To warships


        So it is, but why his decision was somehow fulfilled!
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 18 November 2019 16: 37
          +5
          How sideways is that ?! There was no money, no withdrawal of charges, no extradition of sailors with legal clearance. And the deadlines all by that decision came out. Do not confuse procedures.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 18 November 2019 16: 44
            -1
            Quote: K-612-O
            There was no money, no withdrawal of charges, no extradition of sailors with legal clearance.

            suspected of armed invasion of the territory of the Russian Federation quietly left the FSB isolation ward and escorted by flashing lights to the airport. Just as calmly passed the border and customs control and flew home.
            Are you about this procedure?
            1. K-612-O
              K-612-O 18 November 2019 16: 54
              +5
              There was no legal clearance, no one has withdrawn charges, written obligations to participate in court hearings. The exchange was made, and again they returned to us also people who remained under investigation or with not dropped charges. And they are not suspects, but accused. He was charged with evidence of a criminal act.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 18 November 2019 16: 58
                -1
                Quote: K-612-O
                There was no legal clearance, no one has withdrawn charges, written obligations to participate in court hearings. The exchange was made, and again they returned to us also people who remained under investigation or with not dropped charges. And they are not suspects, but accused. He was charged with evidence of a criminal act.

                Do you think that the accused will come to court in Moscow? laughing
                1. K-612-O
                  K-612-O 18 November 2019 17: 03
                  +5
                  They can also appear on Skype, but in the refusal of the court, the article is also hung up. Legal procedures they are, how much the rope does not curl and one end. A vivid example of criminal cases of war crimes of Estonians
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 18 November 2019 17: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: K-612-O
                    They can also appear on Skype, but in the refusal of the court, the article is also hung up.

                    Why it seems that they will say differently on Skype, and they sawed on our articles
                    downhill
                    1. Amin_vivec
                      Amin_vivec 18 November 2019 18: 58
                      +3
                      They will be listed in Russia on the wanted list, life is long, Ukraine is not eternal))))
        2. Victorio
          Victorio 18 November 2019 16: 41
          -4
          Quote: Silvestr
          So then it is, but why his decision was somehow fulfilled !.

          ===
          it’s very similar to the topic by the decision of the Stockholm court, such as nothing will and will not shine with money for Ukraine, and Putin is already declaring discounts and zeroing mutual claims (which do not threaten anything?).
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 18 November 2019 16: 54
            -8
            Quote: Victorio
            Putin already declares

            News lightning: Russia proposed Ukraine to extend the gas contract for a year or enter into a new one
            1. Honest Citizen
              Honest Citizen 18 November 2019 17: 03
              +1
              News lightning: Russia proposed Ukraine to extend the gas contract for a year or enter into a new one

              Were there any doubts? This story repeats itself almost from year to year. Either lower the price, then another "gesture of goodwill," like "people are freezing there" ...
            2. K-612-O
              K-612-O 18 November 2019 17: 05
              +8
              You fully read the requirements of Gazprom for Sumerians, which are also duplicated in the EC, either there or fulfill or goodbye. And the headlines we write are such that you can’t save up a corvalulu
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                1. Brturin
                  Brturin 18 November 2019 22: 39
                  +1
                  There is such a thing as an appeal, by the end of November there must be a decision ... In the meantime .... how many have not been arrested Gazprom points to the appeal and ...
            3. asv363
              asv363 18 November 2019 17: 20
              +2
              Mandatory condition are:

              - the refusal of both parties from all mutual claims in international arbitration and the termination of all legal proceedings;

              - cancellation of the decision of the Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine to impose a fine on Gazprom for "violation of economic competition";

              - Withdrawal of the petition of Naftogaz of Ukraine to initiate an investigation by the European Commission against Gazprom.
              1. Amin_vivec
                Amin_vivec 18 November 2019 19: 03
                +3
                That means there will be no contract, the conditions for the Sumerians are not feasible. A floating regasifier has already been brought to Germany, in case interruptions in gas supply begin - for the time being, before entering SP2, they will replace LNGas.
  4. mig29mks
    mig29mks 18 November 2019 16: 22
    +7
    Shoot like a mad dog !!! Already sick of ukriya !!!
  5. janeck
    janeck 18 November 2019 16: 22
    +7
    tochnik solarium leaked!)
  6. janeck
    janeck 18 November 2019 16: 24
    +12
    and for parking at the pier, let the Ukrainians pay !!
  7. Kurare
    Kurare 18 November 2019 16: 24
    +6
    "In Russia, before the transfer of the ships to Ukraine, the ships themselves damaged and cut all the equipment on them"

    I hope that before "transferring the pieces" to the software, or even better, the chips were bookmarked. So that at the very first meeting with the Russian border guards, these "vessels" themselves would start scrambling! wink
    But seriously, that’s the way to do it!
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 18 November 2019 16: 31
      +9
      Quote: Kurare
      I hope that before "transferring the pieces" to the software, or even better, the chips were bookmarked.

      There of the chips - a maximum of a mouse with such a nickname)) With software even worse ...
      1. Kurare
        Kurare 18 November 2019 16: 36
        +4
        Whatever it is made of iron or software, but when you try to use these pelvis for its intended purpose, they must self-destruct!
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 18 November 2019 17: 19
          +2
          These pelvis did not drown Toko because the seagulls are filthy, and IT does not sink
          1. Kurare
            Kurare 18 November 2019 17: 31
            +2
            Let's just say: to drive poachers somewhere very, very close to the coast - they will completely disappear. But the way they tried to use them was just a mockery and a crime against their own sailors!
  8. kventinasd
    kventinasd 18 November 2019 16: 25
    +5
    According to Zerkal, Ukraine now intends through international institutions to seek compensation from Russia for both sailors and tugboats.

    These people just won’t calm down. They’ll spoil the worst. In the morning it is from birth.
    It was necessary to drown these troughs during the transfer, and the sailors to Kolyma to enlightenment.
    1. Looking for
      Looking for 18 November 2019 17: 10
      0
      And the best thing is to raise the Andreevskie flags. And solemnly. With broadcast to the whole world. To introduce them into the Russian fleet. The "value" of such an acquisition is .doubtful. But believe me, a moral victory and international resonance would pay off.
      1. Amin_vivec
        Amin_vivec 18 November 2019 19: 06
        0
        It was necessary to distribute a loaf of bread ... And after a layer of tea droppings would reach 10 - 20 cm ... In a categorical form, require picking them back up by yourself. Illuminate this event on TV)))
  9. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 18 November 2019 16: 27
    +5
    Give a rust trough and get more money for it? laughing laughing(when x ... l was born, the Jew cried. laughing
  10. Koppec
    Koppec 18 November 2019 16: 28
    -3
    When a Ukrainian born Jew cried. It is Russia that needs to learn from Ukraine.
    1. Berber
      Berber 18 November 2019 16: 40
      +2
      What to learn? No. Do not respect yourself?
  11. Well done
    Well done 18 November 2019 16: 30
    +2
    Themselves nonferrous and cut off while towed, "the arrows transferred" to us. Oktisyuk is jealous.
  12. Livonetc
    Livonetc 18 November 2019 16: 33
    0
    Everything, everything, shaw acquired overwork, nevertheless perished! Three tape recorders, three movie cameras abroad, three domestic cigarette cases, a jacket ... suede ... Three. Jackets And they are still fighting for the honorary title of "House of High Culture of Life"
  13. Sitearvi
    Sitearvi 18 November 2019 16: 34
    0
    In Roskosmos they said that they lost the drill, so here it came up
  14. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 18 November 2019 16: 35
    +3
    Savchenko, Sentsov, Ukrainian sailors languishing in the dungeons of the Kremlin, detained boats, systematically Kiev is deprived of high-profile informational reasons with which they are hysteria at all international venues.
    1. Honest Citizen
      Honest Citizen 18 November 2019 16: 41
      -1
      Those. according to your logic, should Crimea be returned? This is the very reason, even the occasion!
      Well, the idea with Savchenko paid off.
      Let's look at Sentsov and the sailors. Although, as for me, it would be better if the full term was unwound here, well, or at least half.
      But the boats themselves had to be handed over for scrap.
      1. kit88
        kit88 18 November 2019 17: 11
        +6
        Quote: Honest Citizen
        Those. according to your logic, should Crimea be returned? This is the very reason, even the occasion!

        It is believed that even if you return the Crimea and pay them a trillion of moral damages, they will not calm down a bit. All the same, they will sue and demand, demand. And the courts will award and award. Such a nature - you can’t fix anything - I’ll free everything, sit on my neck and hang my legs.
        Sometime, someone will still have to solve this issue. And decide radically.
    2. Antares
      Antares 18 November 2019 16: 55
      -8
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      Kiev systematically loses high-profile informational reasons with which they are hysterical at all international venues.

      Is it really the turn to ORDLO and even cooler to Krym?
      These are the most high-profile occasions in Kiev.
  15. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 18 November 2019 16: 35
    +2
    Cheap, how petty, Russia doesn’t do anything more like spoiling your troughs, Russia always thinks more globally, it’s your farmer-suburban mentality, pile a bunch of doors under your door, complain to the UN yet .. wassat
    Rather, all the guns were removed from your pelvis, than spoil something there, is it logical?
  16. taiga2018
    taiga2018 18 November 2019 16: 36
    +2
    Well, that’s all right, because we have the majority of people in power who live in parallel reality, where Ukraine is still a fraternal country, and Ukrainians are fraternal people, which means that you can verbally set certain conditions and receive verbal assurances to fulfill them, take and return the military equipment ... One could probably be forced to sign something like an act of acceptance by which the Ukrainian side would refuse any claims ...
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 18 November 2019 19: 29
      -1
      I think that at the government level where the decision was made, at least more access to information and I doubt very much that they think in terms of "brotherly people" .. therefore we do not know all the nuances of decision-making and are unlikely to find out, unless we get to that level ..
  17. cosmonaut
    cosmonaut 18 November 2019 16: 40
    +1
    yeah, it's from that series that everything died! three tape recorders, three movie cameras abroad, three domestic cigarette cases)) they’ll not tell you yet))
  18. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 18 November 2019 16: 43
    +1
    Mirrors, as well as Ukro - the media say that Russia was frightened by the "international maritime demand" and therefore returned the boats and freed the sailors ...
    But in this case, a naive question arises: if Moscow had to return the sailors in any way, then why in return did Ukraine release "our prisoners"?
  19. Politruk-m
    Politruk-m 18 November 2019 16: 50
    +6
    But always, Russia still has to stay .. Is anyone surprised?
  20. Souchastnik
    Souchastnik 18 November 2019 16: 55
    0
    Wait for a claim to the international court for damages due to lost profits. If the boats in Russia were not standing, they would have grabbed the polar Europe or half-boats. Billions so for $ 20.
  21. tank64rus
    tank64rus 18 November 2019 16: 56
    +1
    The Ukrainian fleet has been revived. Peremogoya.
    1. Looking for
      Looking for 18 November 2019 17: 16
      +3
      all ernichayte.Russians. as if your jokes did not turn into bloody tears. Do not flirt with the reptile. And crush right away.
      1. Lena Petrova
        Lena Petrova 18 November 2019 20: 13
        0
        Quote: Grigory B
        And what else had to be repaired?

        Yes, there the side of the tugboat is bent only a little. A pair of sheets of iron, 3 kg. electrodes and a can of paint - all for a short time.
      2. Astra wild
        Astra wild 18 November 2019 22: 09
        0
        Do you seriously think that they will do: "in Moscow beer for 3 hryvnia"? If only they try, then Ukraine will not be in its current state, and these "probes" will emigrate at best at worst ....
  22. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 18 November 2019 17: 06
    +2
    But the expert notes that now Ukraine will have to bring to Paris a document in which Zelensky will be obliged to comply with all the conditions of the Minsk agreements.

    Vilely how! smile
    How dare anyone even demand from Ukraine to comply with the signed agreements!
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 November 2019 18: 37
      +1
      They took away another visor and got rid of the trash.
  23. mag nit
    mag nit 18 November 2019 17: 08
    +1
    Maybe it was also necessary to reserve fuel?
  24. Puzoter
    Puzoter 18 November 2019 17: 14
    +1
    Where Khokhla do not kiss everywhere joppa. Army folklore.
  25. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 18 November 2019 17: 21
    0
    And the Selyuki could say that there were 4 ships, and only 3 were returned.
  26. Grigory b
    Grigory b 18 November 2019 17: 25
    0
    And what else had to be repaired?
  27. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 18 November 2019 17: 31
    +2
    Well, they do not say that they took away the aircraft carrier, but now they are giving the boats away.
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 November 2019 18: 35
      +2
      This will be the next step.
  28. Faina Kostina
    Faina Kostina 18 November 2019 17: 36
    0
    Here it is: they arrested new ones, and returned the crumpled and spoiled vessels))))
  29. Alien From
    Alien From 18 November 2019 17: 38
    +1
    Wonderful people are these non-brothers? what don’t do it, everything’s wrong ........ the panning campaign will not pass without leaving a trace ..
  30. O. Bender
    O. Bender 18 November 2019 17: 41
    0
    It was necessary to give in the Crimea, tse Well Ukraine.
  31. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 18 November 2019 17: 44
    +1
    Strange, I thought that Russia damaged ukronautilusy before receiving. )))
  32. rocket757
    rocket757 18 November 2019 17: 55
    +3
    They returned the trough and returned as unnecessary.
    Reverance in the direction of foreign "partners" .... benefit from gulkin figs, on the other side of the trough, they were fused and okay.
    I wouldn’t give it, I gave it to the militia! For them, such a thing would have gone for the future. BUT.....
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 November 2019 18: 34
      +2
      There is benefit, albeit small ... we made a gesture of goodwill.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 November 2019 18: 54
        +1
        Quote: cniza
        There is benefit, albeit small ... we made a gesture of goodwill.

        Hi soldier
        Honestly, all sorts of gestures could be used, but all this helps somewhat to rescue our people, return them home .... nothing is sorry for this, especially the trash we do not need.
        1. cniza
          cniza 18 November 2019 19: 43
          +3
          Greetings! hi Here I am about it ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 November 2019 19: 53
            0
            The team with the sane is no better than the software! It is safer to communicate with such people through their sponsors.
            1. Antares
              Antares 18 November 2019 22: 16
              -2
              Quote: rocket757
              The team with sane sane is no better than the software

              Lana Zerkal inherited from PO (Yatsenyuk was appointed)
              By the way, a good professional. Knows business
              She and her team have achieved a lot in those international institutions where required.
              The title of Honored Lawyer is not in vain.
              I still remember her by arbitration.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 19 November 2019 07: 13
                +1
                Quote: Antares
                She and her team have achieved a lot in those international institutions where required.

                So, for interesu, WHAT SUCH ARE THEY GOT and what useful, necessary did this bring the country to Ukraine?
                In fact, even if you’re at least three times honored figure, if the initial task is so-so, then you will get the corresponding result.
        2. Barmaleyka
          Barmaleyka 18 November 2019 22: 47
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          but all this helps somewhat to rescue our people, to return them home

          our tanks on the Maidan would be much more helpful in '14, there is nothing worse than half measures and constant concessions
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 19 November 2019 07: 15
            0
            Quote: Barmaleyka
            our tanks on the Maidan would be much more helpful in '14, there is nothing worse than half measures and constant concessions

            I always criticize deficiencies !!! Only this is the reason to remember and not repeat the old ... imperfections.
            There is no need to feel sorry, we move forward with the song!
  33. Vdi73
    Vdi73 18 November 2019 17: 58
    +2
    By yourself, do not evaluate Russian, petty, dirty, cowards.
  34. Berkut24
    Berkut24 18 November 2019 18: 03
    +2
    Ukrainians manage to spit acid even in gifts that they give.
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 November 2019 18: 33
      +3
      Here - here, we could not return anything.
  35. vladcub
    vladcub 18 November 2019 18: 04
    +2
    Window Putin, again pulled our nose. So you need to understand Mr. Oktisyuk?
  36. cniza
    cniza 18 November 2019 18: 32
    +3
    According to Zerkal, Ukraine now intends through international institutions to seek compensation from Russia for both sailors and tugboats.


    Yeah, that would be enough for a couple of cruisers ..., we could never, ever return anything.
  37. comradChe
    comradChe 18 November 2019 18: 42
    +1
    Macron called "come to us", but the oligarchs pushed friends to the sides, shifting from impatience from foot to foot, and our gunfire, pulling up the ports, rushed to meet .... Proud UK, you say !!! UGH!!!
  38. Amateur
    Amateur 18 November 2019 19: 32
    +1

    And no claims or compensation.
  39. Catfish
    Catfish 18 November 2019 20: 01
    0
    Yes, this junk itself is safely falling apart, but did they expect that our sailors would also service these boxes? laughing
  40. Guards turn
    Guards turn 18 November 2019 20: 19
    -1
    “Wow, we left the bay”
    Ahead of our friend is the ocean.
    Our girls hid
    Handles in couplings
    And they are waiting for us, on the shore.

    And somewhere in the Crimea
    Girl in a pink sundress
    And her mother did not let her go for a walk.
    But we asked:
    Let go, mom, daughter with us
    After all, we damn, submariners,
    We are strong!
  41. _689
    _689 18 November 2019 20: 47
    0
    Do these boats also damage Mona?
  42. January
    January 18 November 2019 20: 56
    0
    I think this is another blow of the bloody Mordor. The ships were returned to Ukraine and they must again be maintained. And this is a lot of money. I think a new crew will be quickly loaded onto them now and again allowed into a breakthrough. I mean captive. And the savings and what any profit on the ships can break off ....
  43. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 18 November 2019 20: 59
    +1
    That's right, there was a check, it was not passed, which means that you can continue to wipe your feet and greet, with the gopota this is the only way, and "our" terpily will continue to justify everything and will pay off.
  44. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 18 November 2019 21: 21
    +1
    Well, as you would like, Ukraine thinks this way: showed a concession here, so it must give way in another.
  45. Avior
    Avior 18 November 2019 21: 22
    0
    It remains to find out who the unknown Anatoly Oktisyuk is and why it is necessary to litter VO with his "opinion"?
  46. Barmaleyka
    Barmaleyka 18 November 2019 22: 45
    0
    In Ukraine, said that before the return of the Russian Federation "damaged" boats and tug
    I don’t understand ALL of this circus at all, so two of our Sumerians did not rescue the ship, but here ...
    in this situation, it was easier to drown them during detention
  47. Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 19 November 2019 01: 13
    +1
    It was necessary to transfer it according to the act, with the signatures of the parties and seals. And then immediately these acts should be made public. Then the "non-brothers" would have no reason to present anything. Although ... They will become. Tongue wagging - do not roll bags.
  48. Evil 55
    Evil 55 19 November 2019 02: 54
    +1
    Damaged ... only ... had to be drowned during the passage ...
  49. Bear040
    Bear040 19 November 2019 03: 11
    +1
    To give weapons to Bandera, even if it is bad and stupid and criminal ... It would be more correct to use these boats as targets in military firing of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation ... And the Russian fleet and Ukraine would have a science ...
  50. Charik
    Charik 19 November 2019 03: 11
    -1
    they frightened the world, we’ll stop gas transit through Ukraine, but they themselves donated their boats, they didn’t take theirs away, and they drove gas, swan (as Zhirinovsky would say) before someone