Paris refused to support EU green energy project banning nuclear power plants

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In Brussels these days, the issue of transferring the EU energy to the so-called "green rails" is being actively discussed. Lobby groups are trying to advance the idea that EU countries should abandon nuclear power. In addition, the draft new “green” charter proposes to significantly reduce energy consumption, which are not among the renewable sources of energy (for example, natural gas).

The greatest resistance to this kind of initiative comes, as it turns out, from France. Paris strongly opposed nuclear power in the EU being completely banned. And this position of the French is understandable. Today, about 70% of all electricity generated in France is nuclear power generation. France has several nuclear power plants with more than 55 operating reactors. France is actively developing a new generation of reactors, investing hundreds of millions of euros in this industry. Abandoning nuclear power plants - for France, simply means burying their energy.



In Paris, they noted that they would not sign a document on “green energy” unless a clause on a ban on the operation of nuclear power plants was deleted from it. And in Brussels, such statements by the French authorities were heeded.

This position of Brussels has received harsh criticism from Germany. Large German edition The World called the position of Brussels hypocritical.

Germany notes that the EU actively supported Germany at the time when in Berlin in the 2011 year (against the backdrop of the accident at the Japanese Fukushima-1 nuclear power plant) they declared their readiness in the 2020's to completely abandon the operation of nuclear reactors. And now they say that the complete rejection of nuclear energy "needs to be discussed."

Berlin’s criticism of Brussels is also related to the fact that the new “green program” of the EU provides for actual restrictions on the purchase of natural gas - primarily from Russia. Thus, for Germany, the situation, if suddenly the Germans decide to support the EU’s “green program”, seems to be a dead end: firstly, they will have to abandon gas purchases from Russia, and secondly, they will also have to shut down the nuclear power plant. In this case, how to develop energy, Germany is asking the European bureaucrats a question.

So far, Paris has succeeded in defending its point of view. If Germany also joins it, the new “eco-project” will be doomed. Although today his prospects raise questions. The fact is that the project involves a huge amount of investment: 180 billion euros annually. And if the project is adopted, then the main burden of these costs will fall on the shoulders of the French and German taxpayers.
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    1. +28
      18 November 2019 12: 51
      Powerful guys in the EU!
      They will order and the climate will be like in Africa! wassat

      Electricity will be received directly from the air from the new year.
      Catch lightning and cram into wires.

      Gas appliances off the kitchens!
      Gas is the fuel of barbarians! wassat

      Everyone eat grass and moo. laughing
      1. +9
        18 November 2019 13: 02
        The rejection of nuclear energy and gas could bury the European economy. Green energy cannot even replace the long-term prospect of traditional energy sources and energy sources. feel
        1. +4
          18 November 2019 13: 54
          - the project involves a huge amount of investment: 180 billion euros annually.
          Bee this so-called green and mouth would not open.
          It was calculated that the prime cost of 1 MW of an atom is 10 ... 15 times lower than that of a green one.
          I am not talking about the following:
          - huge occupied areas.
          - places for disposal of spent "solar panels", wind turbine blades, etc.
          A good addition (but not an alternative) is biogas.
          1. -11
            18 November 2019 16: 39
            Quote: knn54
            It was calculated that the prime cost of 1 MW of an atom is 10 ... 15 times lower than that of a green one.

            Proofs are possible? 100W solar panel is now retail! about 5kr, at current prices for electricity (and they grow every year) it will pay off in 10 years, with a service life of 25 years.

            According to the US Department of Energy’s Energy Information Administration, the NPP’s capital expenditures are $ 5530 per kW of power, while a similar figure for surface wind farms is $ 2200 per kW of power, and about $ 4000 per kW for solar PV.
            And this is only capital, but there are also operating ones, which are also higher at NPPs, and decommissioning costs, which are much higher, and given the likelihood of emergency costs ...
            Quote: knn54
            huge footprints.

            Tengar Sunny Park, Area: 43 sq. M. km, generation capacity - 1547 MW.
            Compare with the area of ​​exclusion zones of Chernobyl or Fukushima.
            1. +6
              18 November 2019 19: 21
              How did you accelerate! 1547 MW is it when? At the peak when the sun is at its zenith? And where will you take energy at night? And how will you level the consumption saw? What will you supply the continuous production cycle?
              Before you write nonsense, you at least read literature on energy.

              And where does the exclusion zone of Chernobyl and Fukushima?
              1. 0
                18 November 2019 21: 28
                I believe that it is not necessary to ban nuclear power plants and thermal power plants, but to give various tax benefits to owners of both solar power plants and ordinary residents who have turned the roofs of their houses into solar panels.
                For 40 years, the nuclear power plants and most of the TPPs will be strangled economically.
                1. 0
                  19 November 2019 02: 24
                  And again, a pig for a beaver. If you give tax benefits, then who will pay for the banquet? At whose expense will payments be made? Due to traditional generation, and then we begin to have an imbalance, the cost of traditional generation grows, and solar generation becomes profitable. But it will be beneficial only to those who produce it.

                  Here, listen to a smart person:
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kh2_E3ua58
              2. 0
                19 November 2019 13: 20
                Quote: michael2000
                How did you accelerate!

                What are you talking about?!
                Quote: michael2000
                1547 MW is it when? At the peak when the sun is at its zenith?

                Are you familiar with the concept of installed power? If you read at least one book on energy, you should be familiar, so answer your own question.
                Quote: michael2000
                And where will you take energy at night?

                And where will you put the energy of nuclear power plants at night? What is the biggest problem of traditional energy, can you tell? How many percent and for how long can a nuclear power plant reduce its output?
                Quote: michael2000
                And how will you level the consumption saw? What will you supply the continuous production cycle?

                Are you familiar with such a thing as the "Unified Energy System of the USSR"? Judging by the questions, not really.
                Quote: michael2000
                Before you write nonsense, you at least read literature on energy.

                Exactly. You obviously should follow this advice, and read a little more than one popular science book on the topic.
                Quote: michael2000
                And where does the exclusion zone of Chernobyl and Fukushima?

                With the occupied space, if it didn’t reach right away.
                1. 0
                  19 November 2019 14: 20
                  Put it all together ...
                  And where will you put the energy of nuclear power plants at night?

                  So after all, they refused from nuclear power plants.
                  How many percent and for how long can a nuclear power plant reduce its output?

                  Just the nuclear power plant and can regulate its output power, quickly responding to increasing or falling load.
                  Are you familiar with such a thing as the "Unified Energy System of the USSR"? Judging by the questions, not really.

                  And where does the USSR? We are talking about France located in one time zone; accordingly, it will not work to distribute the load to other regions.
                  With the occupied space, if it didn’t reach right away.

                  And again, where does the area of ​​Chernobyl and Fukushima?
                  1. 0
                    19 November 2019 15: 32
                    Quote: michael2000
                    So after all, they refused from nuclear power plants.

                    What, already ?!
                    The abandonment of nuclear power plants implies the abandonment of the construction of new plants, with the gradual decommissioning of existing ones. This is a process lasting 20 to 30 years.
                    Quote: michael2000
                    Just a nuclear power plant and can regulate its output power

                    You, by chance, didn’t get a nuclear power plant? For information:

                    Quote: michael2000
                    It's about France located in one time zone,

                    It was originally about the EU, but it takes more than one time zone;)
                    Quote: michael2000
                    And again, where does the area of ​​Chernobyl and Fukushima?

                    A nuclear power plant occupies a smaller area per MW than a nuclear power plant, only until an accident occurs at the first one. Is it clear now?!

                    Few will be enthusiastic about the proposal to shit in their own house in the middle of the room, and at the same time, many are ready to boo those who suggest not doing so in our common house called "planet Earth". Paradox, isn't it?
            2. 0
              18 November 2019 21: 02
              Electricity prices are rising partly due to solar energy, and the Tanger Solar Park is located south of Madrid. at the current cost of gas, the cost of 1 kilowatt of gas-generated electricity near the extraction site is 50-60 kopecks.
      2. +6
        18 November 2019 13: 02
        The French are nothing, not stupid. If it weren’t for the Russian SP-1,2 ...., the Germans would have been squeezed out of the leading positions in the EU.
      3. 0
        18 November 2019 13: 08
        the climate will become

        Laughter, laughter, and the climate is really changing ....
        1. +6
          18 November 2019 13: 27
          Quote: APES
          Laughter, laughter, and the climate is really changing ....

          And do not say...
          ... people live and die. laughing
          1. +2
            18 November 2019 20: 01
            Moreover, I’ll confirm that your, thesis, colleague, all people die, in connection with this, it is necessary to introduce a law on the prohibition of birth in the EU, otherwise you’ll die, and there’s horror in them when they decompose, but there’s nothing live now ...
        2. +3
          18 November 2019 13: 30
          Quote: APES
          the climate will become

          Laughter, laughter, and the climate is really changing ....

          Every 500 years it does not change dramatically, for 2-5 years, in the longer term - for a longer period
        3. +5
          18 November 2019 13: 45
          Quote: APES
          the climate is really changing ....

          "small glacial" in the Middle Ages ... (https://topwar.ru/127506-holod-i-golod-kak-rossiya-perenesla-malyy-lednikovyy-period.html) and what the greens will tell us on this topic .. ...
        4. -1
          18 November 2019 13: 58
          Quote: APES
          Laughter, laughter, and the climate is really changing ....

          Hm. Have you ever thought that if it had not changed, instead of the city there were 800 meters of ice in the place where you live?
          The climate is changing, and not for the better. In Europe, over 2 thousand years it became colder by 2 degrees, grapes disappeared in Germany and Britain. Even those varieties that grew 200 years ago do not grow.
          And for Central Kazakhstan over 30 million years - generally from +28 it fell to +2. Instead of bananas and parrots, even apple trees do not grow.
          1. +1
            18 November 2019 14: 39
            grapes disappeared in Germany

            Grapes in Germany heaps. That is, they produce it, grow it, quite on an industrial scale.
            1. 0
              18 November 2019 14: 52
              Bred in the last 100 years. Like the UK, they let it go along the black walls, inside which heating pipes are laid.
              And the Romans brought and cultivated their own, native, Italian varieties.
        5. +5
          18 November 2019 14: 02
          Yeah. Only instead of planting trees, everyone is offered solar panels and Tesla expensively. Just because you can make money on it. And on the fig trees you will earn, only money in the ground.
        6. +2
          18 November 2019 14: 33
          Laughter, laughter, and the climate is really changing ....


          And there is. In November, as a kid, I was already skiing, but now it is only raining.
        7. 0
          19 November 2019 00: 55
          Yeah, winter is coming
      4. +7
        18 November 2019 13: 31
        muscle-driven generators can also be mentioned.
        something like this - from an exercise bike a simple transmission to the generator put and pedal the citizens of Europeans. The same migrants can be connected. For education is not required, but only endurance.
        1. +8
          18 November 2019 13: 46
          Quote: Tochilka
          muscle-driven generators can also be mentioned.

          If "green energy" wins, the most popular New Year rhyme in Europe will be:
          Garlands flickered brightly on the Christmas tree
          Angry excavator cable broke
          And dad in the basement pedals
          Though he sometimes says that he’s tired
        2. +2
          18 November 2019 14: 01
          Quote: Tochilka
          muscle-powered generators can also be mentioned

          And to plow - on women. Harness 12 pieces and let them pull the plow.
          Just how to make European women climb into the yoke? what
        3. +2
          18 November 2019 14: 08
          Quote: Tochilka
          You can connect the same migrants

          Yeah. As in The Matrix. And they won't need virtual reality. laughing
        4. -1
          18 November 2019 14: 13
          The same migrants can be connected. For education is not required, but only endurance.

          Migrants what, fools to twist something there. Let silly pinocchio Germans are turning, and migrants are paid unemployment benefits. They do not flee to Europe in order to do something there, but for a more calm and successful breeding.
      5. 0
        18 November 2019 13: 50
        Quote: Vladimir16
        Everyone eat grass and moo.

        Where are the grasses on everyone?
      6. +4
        18 November 2019 14: 58
        Quote: Vladimir16
        Everyone eat grass and moo.

        No, the cows didn’t please Brussels either - they let the greenhouse gases and destroy the eggs. laughing
      7. 0
        18 November 2019 15: 35
        Quote: Vladimir16
        Everyone eat grass and moo.

        Hitler, by the way, did not eat meat)))
        1. 0
          18 November 2019 21: 50
          I haven’t drunk or smoked yet, I was not interested in women and killed almost 60 million people. Draw conclusions about such psychos
          1. 0
            18 November 2019 21: 53
            By the way, someone Heinrich Himler was also a vegetarian who did not drink or smoke. The ideal of a modern healthy lifestyle
      8. -1
        18 November 2019 16: 33
        There are powerful guys in the EU! ....... it is doubtful that guys change their floors like gloves, and it’s not far from a change in appearance, it was once when he made a caligula of his horse as a senator, but what a senator .... the whole consul
      9. +4
        18 November 2019 19: 20
        Climate change. Green energy.
        I remember Tsushima ... 400 sailors began to run from side to side of an armadillo ... anyway, 400 cockroaches would try to rock a trough with wet linen ... I can’t vouch for the accuracy of the quote, but the point.

        That's the same here. Humanity is not able to predict an earthquake or volcanic eruption. One or more cracks and that's it, krants.
        Not green energy for you, no other horseradish.

        Of course, you don’t need to spoil yourself. But, IMHO, humanity is clearly overestimating its strength and significance. We learned how to kill animals and everything, the kings of nature.

        But Brussels paper-marakas do not know what they are doing. The main thing for them is to eat hearty, but to sleep sweetly and justify their life by imitating vigorous activity.
        Nafig from the beach. It's time.

        PS. Here is Tusk. Pole. Who chose him? Whose interests does he represent and where? What is he doing at all? he is called the European President, and he writhes with pleasure. And what benefit and to whom did he bring? I suspect that none and no one.
      10. -1
        18 November 2019 20: 59
        Yes, of course, we must abandon our European nuclear power plants and buy and build Russian nuclear power plants and transfer all European fireplaces to our environmentally friendly natural gas. smile
    2. +7
      18 November 2019 12: 55
      My God. We look, who is so profitable to abandon nuclear power plants in Europe and even from natural gas?
      And what will they receive electricity from? Or are they already pulling underwater power cables from the most democratic country?
      Or maybe they are ready to buy electricity? And who?
      1. +1
        18 November 2019 13: 29
        Quote: Honest Citizen
        who benefits from abandoning nuclear power plants in Europe and even from natural gas?

        it is clear to manufacturers of windmills
        1. +2
          18 November 2019 13: 51
          Quote: Barmaleyka
          it is clear to manufacturers of windmills

          And solar panels.
        2. 0
          18 November 2019 14: 04
          Quote: Barmaleyka
          it is clear to manufacturers of windmills

          That is - to the Chinese? At which neither nuclear power plants, nor thermal power plants, nor gas are prohibited ...
          Just now, paying China is going away. And without its own economy, there’s nothing at all.
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      3. +1
        18 November 2019 13: 48
        Quote: Honest Citizen
        Or maybe they are ready to buy electricity? And who?

        And who is cheaper. And they won’t take it - turn off the gas. (C) laughing
      4. 0
        18 November 2019 13: 54
        Quote: Honest Citizen
        We look, who is so profitable to abandon nuclear power plants in Europe and even from natural gas?

        In the 19 century, they still lived without electricity, and nothing. But they drank milk without chemistry.
        1. +3
          18 November 2019 15: 57
          Let them then completely live in the Stone Age, without the Internet, electricity and chemistry and other benefits of civilization, but at least they will drink milk, though not for long))
          1. -1
            18 November 2019 17: 15
            Quote: Lord of the Sith
            without the Internet, electricity and chemistry and other benefits of civilization, but at least they will drink milk, though not for long

            And now, what is a long life? They live less on chemistry than on pure milk.
    3. +11
      18 November 2019 12: 58
      Now Greta will come and give out to all bream.
      1. +1
        18 November 2019 14: 07
        She is only capable of hysteria.
        Here Greta gathered a press conference. In order for the journalists to gather, 200000 tons of emissions had to be produced - by airplanes, cars, lighting and air conditioning of the hall. And I would have sat in Sweden - only 6000 tons, and even then a year, and not per day.
      2. bar
        0
        18 November 2019 17: 24
        Do not blaspheme. The Pope has already proposed including pollution in the list of sins. Soon Greta will be attributed to the saints.
        1. 0
          18 November 2019 22: 02
          Get Greta married. Urgent. For a worthy farmer
    4. +10
      18 November 2019 12: 58
      In the CCCP it was reasonably believed that the progress of mankind from caves to stars can be measured by the level of energy consumed. Well, if the EU wants a flag back in the cave in hand.
      As for France and nuclear power plants, France is among the undisputed leaders in terms of peaceful atom and in terms of safety and integration of nuclear power plants in the energy system. Of course, it’s scary to see reactors directly in residential areas, as is customary for them, but the French are used to and are not going to refuse.
      1. -3
        18 November 2019 13: 08
        "Of course, it's scary to see reactors right next to residential areas, as is their custom," ////
        ---
        That is the problem. Not everyone has boundless and uninhabited open spaces, as in Russia, where you can safely place reactors.
        And what to do with the disposal of spent reactors located directly in residential areas?
        Evacuate entire cities while cutting an old reactor?
        1. +1
          18 November 2019 13: 59
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Evacuate entire cities while cutting an old reactor?

          In Paldiski, two reactors were disposed of, the background increased slightly, but after a couple of months, everything returned to normal.
        2. +1
          18 November 2019 14: 23
          Quote: voyaka uh
          That is the problem. Not everyone has boundless and uninhabited open spaces, as in Russia, where you can safely place reactors.
          And what to do with the disposal of spent reactors located directly in residential areas?
          Evacuate entire cities while cutting an old reactor?


          Warrior, well, probably, you need to develop technology for the disposal of reactors and renovation of power units, right? And not a ban on nuclear energy. Why replace the engineering issue with a political one?
          1. +1
            18 November 2019 14: 47
            And I did not write about the prohibitions.
            But the cost and efficiency of the station must also include the cost of disposal.
            And - most importantly - design reactors in advance convenient and safe to disassemble.
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        3. +2
          18 November 2019 14: 26
          And what to do with the disposal of spent reactors located directly in residential areas?

          They disposed of more than 15 reactors at five closed stations ....
        4. -1
          18 November 2019 14: 54
          And what to do with the disposal of spent reactors located directly in residential areas?
          Evacuate entire cities while cutting an old reactor?

          All technologies have been developed for a long time.
      2. +9
        18 November 2019 13: 14
        Quote: bk316
        Of course, it’s scary to see reactors directly in residential areas, as is customary for them, but the French are used to and are not going to refuse.

        Maybe they abandoned the NPP, but there are no alternatives! In addition, and few people know about this, due to the abandonment of nuclear power plants in Germany, there was a lack of electricity in the south, and at rush hours they began to buy it ... in France. Those. for the "Fifth Republic" it is also an item of income, and for Germany - a shame!
        1. 0
          19 November 2019 12: 54
          Quite right! France plans to build new nuclear power units in order to sell to Germany the same "atomic" electricity that Germany refused. And if Germany lohans also with SP-2 .....
      3. 0
        18 November 2019 17: 37
        Quote: bk316
        As for France and nuclear power plants, France is among the undisputed leaders in terms of peaceful atom and in terms of safety and integration of nuclear power plants in the energy system.

        This world has already passed, remember the history textbook, when weavers began to fight in England against weaving machines, and successfully fought like that, but time passed and progress (whatever it was) took its toll. The rivers have outlived, coal is running out, gas is still warming. But remember the words of Mendeleev “I am against the doctrine that our oil is a true and profitable substitute for coal. You can drown and bills ... So whoever will develop nuclear power "will drink champagne".
      4. bar
        +1
        18 November 2019 22: 29
        In the CCCP it was reasonably believed that the progress of mankind from caves to stars can be measured by the level of energy consumed.

        This was considered by Stanislav Lem. He had a whole book on this topic - "The Sum of Technologies"
    5. +4
      18 November 2019 13: 00
      The fact is that the project involves a huge amount of investment: 180 billion euros annually. And if the project is adopted, then the main burden of these costs will fall on the shoulders of the French and German taxpayers.

      But this is the coolest, in addition to everything else.
      So who are these green ones happy for all the good, against all the bad?
      1. 0
        18 November 2019 13: 42
        They are greenbacks, and competitive structures are paid for this - so that they undermine the economy in their own country. After all, they either do not offer anything, or offer very expensive options. A kilowatt of alternative energy is so far much more expensive than a kilowatt of traditional energy.
        1. +1
          18 November 2019 14: 28
          Quote: bessmertniy
          They are green, they are paid for by competitive structures

          This is beyond doubt, only this happens.
          Quote: bessmertniy
          A kilowatt of alternative energy is so far much more expensive than a kilowatt of traditional energy.

          This is just a nuisance / inconvenience, though not small.
          There is a deeper ambush! The most important, intermittent \ instability, depending on ... the weather, for example.
          I understand that this is in principle, such energy is possible. But, only when the technology for storing excess energy will be quite effective. In addition, the problem of converting and synchronizing the stored is very DIFFICULT! And the more complex the technology, the more likely it is to receive numerous crashes, accidents!
          In short, when not later, the green theme can play! But certainly not straight today or tomorrow.
        2. +3
          18 November 2019 16: 17
          They are green, ..... so there not only green ones ruin the economy, but also blue and pink ones completely undermine demography. well, at least refugees help with demographics, otherwise it’s actually going to be dying .....
    6. +4
      18 November 2019 13: 01
      in Brussels, the dough is cut into green projects, which these projects, nichrome do not work. In Germany, they’re bumpy and the north sea is windmills, but they can’t connect them. In general, it’s nonsense, now they’ve introduced such crap that if you want to change the old boiler to a new one at home, you must first invite an energy consultant (for tugriks of course) and invest 15% in renewable energy sources. for example, to put a boiler that heats with gas, and heats the water in the summer due to solar panels. This is of course practical but damn expensive! cheaper to put a pellet stove or fireplace
      1. -1
        18 November 2019 14: 04
        Quote: Klingon
        in Brussels, the dough is cut into green projects, which these projects, nichrome do not work. In Germany, they’re bumpy and the north sea is windmills, but they can’t connect them. In general, it’s nonsense, now they’ve introduced such crap that if you want to change the old boiler to a new one at home, you must first invite an energy consultant (for tugriks of course) and invest 15% in renewable energy sources. for example, to put a boiler that heats with gas, and heats the water in the summer due to solar panels. This is of course practical but damn expensive! cheaper to put a pellet stove or fireplace

        Windmills stumbled plugged. That's just one half of the month they give out 4 terravates, and the second half of the month - 1,3 terravats.
    7. +3
      18 November 2019 13: 01
      In this Europe, people have completely left the coils, don’t know what to do, let them give up gas for the winter, look at their green rails.
    8. +7
      18 November 2019 13: 05
      In Brussels these days, the issue of transferring the EU energy to the so-called "green rails" is being actively discussed.

      "Greens" in Europe are actively educated by Soros and some of his other associates. The main idea is to restrict the energy sector in Europe and thereby limit its competitiveness in the markets. Germany is traditionally more dependent on the United States, and under their pressure in Germany, a "sect" of supporters of "green energy" was formed and strongly strengthened. The French are pursuing a more independent policy in general and energy policy in particular. Having good modern production and technologies in nuclear energy, they will preserve their position like the apple of their eye. They understand perfectly well that no wind and sun will give excess energy. And reactors on "fast" neutrons will prolong nuclear power for the entire foreseeable future.
      1. 0
        18 November 2019 16: 13
        The main idea is to limit the energy of Europe ......... to the bull's eye, it’s necessary for Uncle Sam to steam his stolen liquefied gas somewhere, about the same as his unfinished penguin f-35
        1. 0
          18 November 2019 16: 23
          Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
          it’s necessary for Uncle Sam to steam his stolen liquefied gas somewhere

          I don’t want to upset you, but Uncle Sam has no gas. There are no vertically integrated state-owned gas or oil companies in the United States. There are privateers around who are building LNG plants on credit money secured by contracts with various raiders. The US government will never risk putting pressure on a private trader to force him into bad deals. And if from time to time something from the USA comes to Europe, then either there is no government in this transaction, or there is hidden commercial bribery. And what kind of stolen gas do you mean?
          1. 0
            18 November 2019 18: 17
            . And what kind of stolen gas do you mean? ......... in Latin America, the coast of West Africa. and the main thing is conquest. Iraq, there was still a freebie in the Gulf of Thin, but there the Xiaopians quietly supplanted them
            1. 0
              18 November 2019 19: 27
              Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
              in latin america, coast of west africa. and the main thing is conquest. Iraq

              In general, theft is a secret theft of someone else's property. What the United States has done and is doing is open theft, associated with the threat and use of violence that is dangerous to human life and health, i.e. ordinary robbery, but raised to the rank of state policy. All of Europe has worked and flourished along the same lines since the Great Geographical Discoveries. Wherever you stick your finger - everything is somehow connected with the seizure of property and the lives of the aborigines of the open lands. The technological advancement of Western civilization is based on the colonial policy of European states. And the current "green political wave", too, is an echo of the Europeans' perceptions of themselves as first-class people (according to Merkel, Europe is of the first rate), and everyone else is so-so, not worthy of a normal life. For with the current level of economic and technological development in Africa, for example, they will never get an acceptable standard of living with "green" energy. The very same "green" do not care about this from the word "absolutely". Here is a living example of the manifestation of elementary racism.
              1. 0
                18 November 2019 19: 37
                those. ordinary robbery, ....... yes, what a classification ... as the dove of peace said, the night was a rabak of deception. the inhabitants of Uncle Sam's territory are exceptional. therefore there is simply no border between robbery and theft
                1. 0
                  18 November 2019 21: 19
                  Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                  those. ordinary robbery ....... yes what classification

                  Legal science gives each action its own definition on the basis of forms of manifestation. I, in general terms, explained to you how one differs from the other. Want to talk about these topics? Try to read something from the educational literature. Although this is unlikely to help. Science must be bitten deeply and with bias, preferably with a good teacher. Otherwise, at a gallop across Europe, you will collect porridge in your head and there will be no sense.
                  1. 0
                    19 November 2019 09: 11
                    Try to read something from educational literature .... well, my stepmother is a lawyer, and she is very good and respected, so there is no reason to gnaw much, I am talking about exclusivity, as in the fable "you are to blame for what I want to eat", This is the whole point, arbitrariness does not divide by type of crime
    9. +3
      18 November 2019 13: 07
      In the course of the meeting in Brussels imbitsyly. They believe that electricity is generated by the outlet in their home. "Renewable" energy is still capable of providing only the burning of LED bulbs, its reasonable weight in the overall energy system is 10-15%. If they manage to restrict "dirty" generation in the EU (which is unlikely), then they will have to buy "bad and totalitarian" electricity in the Russian Federation.
      1. +3
        18 November 2019 13: 32
        Quote: Yrec
        Along the way in Brussels imbitsy sit. They believe that electricity is generated by an outlet in their home.

        There are a lot of lobbyists in Brussels who are well paid for such proposals! Do you think that the EU does not know how to "cut"? ))) They just cover it up with "good ideas" very well.
    10. +2
      18 November 2019 13: 45
      In vain the Germans and the French are afraid to be left without electricity there. American brothers will not abandon them, they will be supplied with "electricity" in liquefied form by tankers - the main thing is that everything ecologically "world green" is in Europe lol
    11. +1
      18 November 2019 13: 49
      There are studies by the famous engineer Bezgin, proving that "green energy" not only does not give a positive effect from its use, but also significantly increases the cost of its presence, traditional.
      https://bezgin.su/pools
      A nightmare of wind generators in Germany
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZt0M76yfjs
      Rejecting speakers in Germany will be very expensive.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOspPrRMSNs
    12. +1
      18 November 2019 13: 52
      Close all reactors. Well ok, what in return? Windmills? So their operation also raises some questions. (This is noisiness and strong vibration, which is unknown how it affects the surrounding fauna, and maintenance cost and fragility), but for green fools it is too complicated. The future belongs to fusion, it’s better to give all the money that the Greenpeople give.
    13. 0
      18 November 2019 15: 19
      Paris can also be understood: nuclear power plants in France are the foundation of the foundations. Most of France’s electricity is generated by nuclear power plants.
    14. +2
      18 November 2019 15: 52
      Nuclear energy is just the greenest. Non-waste. You can’t live in windmills.
      And what else do they have? Coal? Firewood?
      Where is the alternative?
      1. 0
        18 November 2019 21: 00
        can cow molds? environmentally friendly!
    15. +5
      18 November 2019 16: 15
      Does France come into itself? 7 began to do smart things)
    16. 0
      18 November 2019 16: 38
      Well, the French, well, traitors, what example are you setting for the Baltic extinctions, and the Ukrainians with Poles? They already smashed their foreheads while praying for the EU, and here such a bummer. Well, how so? stop fellow lol laughing recourse
    17. 0
      18 November 2019 17: 04
      Euros and Tolerasts have gone crazy for sex with sows.
      Nothing else interests them.
    18. +2
      18 November 2019 17: 06
      Quote: Svetlana
      Laughter, laughter, and the climate is really changing ....

      And there is. In November, as a kid, I was already skiing, but now it is only raining.


      That's for sure. Even over the past 10 years, it has become more noticeable. Here, for example, the last few days it has become cold. The temperature outside is only 11-12 ° C during the day. It doesn’t rain (there is still no autumn. Over the past few days I had to change my sandals and jacket for shoes and a windbreaker (or light jacket). in winter the most scarce product is snow laughing

      Quote: CheeRock
      Yeah. Only instead of planting trees, everyone is offered solar panels and Tesla expensively. Just because you can make money on it. And on the fig trees you will earn, only money in the ground.


      Quote: tihonmarine
      Quote: Barmaleyka
      it is clear to manufacturers of windmills

      And solar panels.

      Well, if without fanaticism, then why not. If possible, use including and green energy, why not
    19. +2
      18 November 2019 17: 42
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Nuclear energy is just the greenest. Non-waste. You can’t live in windmills.
      And what else do they have? Coal? Firewood?
      Where is the alternative?

      Well, not really green. Compared to thermal power plants, of course, it can be "green". but there is waste, moreover, radioactive, which must be processed. They have, France also has the largest hydroelectric network in Europe. It produces about a third of what is produced by atomic ones. Surely there are state district power stations, and wind and solar.
      And you can live on windmills. It all depends on how many of them, how much power.

      In our Stavropol Territory, for example, from large ones - 2 hydroelectric power stations with a total capacity of 3930 MW, 3 relatively small hydroelectric power stations with a total capacity of 195 MW, and 1 thermal power plant with a total capacity of 147 MW
      In Grachevsky district, the first phase of a solar power plant with a capacity of 12,5 MW was launched (the same number has Kislovodskaya TPP. Next year, the capacity will be increased to 100 MW.
      Plus, a wind farm with a capacity of 210 MW is being built in the Kochubeyevsky district. By 2024, all wind farms and solar will produce up to 1,5 GW. And this is approximately 35% of the capacity that is now.
    20. +2
      18 November 2019 20: 07
      I have a big question, 3 fans of green energy, which "does not affect" the planet ... How much reflected heat and other things are generated by solar power plants? What is the significance of the massive installation of wind turbines for the climate, given that wind turbines slow down the natural movement of air masses and, accordingly, moisture, temperature and other descending moments in the global climate? Or did all the Greenpeaces not go to school? And do not see the relationship here?
      1. -2
        19 November 2019 06: 26
        Quote: yustas
        How much reflected heat and other things do solar power plants produce?

        and how much sugar does it produce? Why don't you close? Why does the area of ​​solar panels cause more harm than any desert ???
        Quote: yustas
        inhibit the natural movement of air masses and, accordingly, moisture

        where did this ... work come from ??? by order of Gazprom?
        Quote: yustas
        Or did not all Greenpeace students go to school? And do not see the relationship here?

        the arguments are rather weak, Chernobyl alone did more harm than all green energy, not to mention the focusim which still drains slops of various degrees of radioactivity into the ocean. just a couple of such accidents and you will spoil the entire periodic table.
    21. 0
      19 November 2019 05: 42
      Quote: missuris
      Electricity prices are rising partly due to solar energy, and the Tanger Solar Park is located south of Madrid. at the current cost of gas, the cost of 1 kilowatt of gas-generated electricity near the extraction site is 50-60 kopecks.

      Electricity prices are rising due to depreciation of infrastructure. Because every year more and more you have to invest in maintaining it in working condition. How much are those who put a solar panel on their roof and a wind turbine in the garden invested in infrastructure?
      ZERO!
      The main burden of support rests with the traditional methods of generation, and the owners of solar panels only rake the loot.
    22. 0
      19 November 2019 17: 01
      Well, how else? The future belongs to nuclear energy, and they understand this with their 80% of nuclear generation. Well, at least in Russia we have no problems with this either. And by the way - our nuclear power plants are the safest and most modern today. In the world.

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