Military Review

C-400 for Saudi Arabia - Protection from Iran and US Counterweight

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On the eve, according to Military Review, from the air show in Dubai, there were reports that Moscow and Riyadh were discussing the options for supplying C-400 anti-aircraft missile systems to Saudi Arabia. At the same time, it was suggested that the Russian president and representatives of the Saudi monarchy recently discussed the topic of supply prospects during the visit of the Russian president to the kingdom.


The Saudis are going to defend their strategic facilities with Russian S-400 air defense systems, including oil and black gold refining facilities. At least that was officially stated. But in this regard, the question arises: the objects of the same oil refining infrastructure of Saudi Arabia were already "protected" by American complexes, including Patriot. These systems, as you know, were powerless against attacks using drones and missiles.

Recall that at one time, militants in Syria repeatedly tried to use drones to attack the Russian Hmeimim air base. And in this they opposed them not with the S-400 air defense system (whose goals and objectives are different), but with completely different military hardware, including the Pantsir-S1 air defense system.

On this basis, we can conclude that Saudi Arabia does not buy C-400 from Russia not for the purpose of, but rather not only in order to protect its subsoil from unknowns (according to Riyadh, Iranian) missiles and drones. The fact is that in order to more effectively cover strategic facilities, Riyadh will need a contract for the mentioned Armor. By the way, earlier in Saudi Arabia they already spoke about the prospect of concluding such a deal. But not only that. Riyadh is well aware that friendship with the United States is an ephemeral phenomenon: if today Americans swear an unbreakable partnership, they deliver weaponthen tomorrow loyalty may disappear, especially if it seems to Washington that Riyadh oil is "not as democratic as American interests demand."

In this regard, Russian air defense missile defense systems for Saudis are becoming a counterweight, which can be extremely effective when in contact with the United States. And therefore C-400 for the Saudis is both a defense against Iran and a real counterweight to the United States. And in the States themselves, they perfectly understand this, by all means trying to "convince" Riyadh that the Russian complexes are "not needed", since the United States "will always help." The Turks were not convinced.
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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 18 November 2019 11: 06 New
    -2
    They most likely need either the Iron Dome or Thor. And that would work as much as possible without the human factor.
    1. Loess
      Loess 18 November 2019 11: 15 New
      +6
      Quote: Zaurbek
      They probably need

      What is the difference to us? The main industry for us is to provide people with jobs and salaries with orders. And preferably for a long time. I think so.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 18 November 2019 11: 17 New
        -17
        Well, you sell C400 there, then everyone will train on it, then it will stop shooting down Western planes ......
        1. Loess
          Loess 18 November 2019 11: 20 New
          0
          Quote: Zaurbek
          then everyone will train on it,

          You suggest not to trade at all?
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 18 November 2019 11: 28 New
            -1
            I offer it thoughtfully, to each client. There are Buki .... Armor ... Arabs are not Turks far.
        2. Voyager
          Voyager 18 November 2019 11: 34 New
          +6
          The S-400 has already sold a lot and will be sold. We have been in service with it for more than 10 years, there is no special direct critical secrecy in it, especially since we are talking about export options.
          1. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 18 November 2019 11: 50 New
            +12
            Quote: Voyager
            it's about export options.

            This is the key phrase in all transactions with the S-400. But, unfortunately, many continue to believe that, for the sake of short-term profit, the Judas from our military-industrial complex are selling weapons that will be used against us or leveled after careful study. At the same time, they completely lose sight of the fact that it is technically impossible to disassemble-study-assemble the complex (you can only disassemble), which is very likely that there are “bookmarks” in the export version in software or hardware (or both at once) just in case. And most importantly, it is squeezing p-owls out of this segment of the arms market.
          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 18 November 2019 11: 52 New
            -1
            These customers can be commented out .....
          3. YOUR
            YOUR 18 November 2019 12: 01 New
            -1
            We have only 54 of them complexes, and then to Syria, then to Serbia. The main air defense system is the S-300.
    2. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 18 November 2019 13: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      They most likely need either the Iron Dome or Thor.

      They don’t need the first one, there is an American Patriot (whose price / effectiveness is being discussed). In addition, Israel is not eager to sell its dome left-to-right (the reasons are also discussed).
      Torahs / Beeches / Shells ... it is likely that through the S-400 they quietly creep along with the Turks to layered solutions, you just need to wait and chew on the popcorn.
    3. Grits
      Grits 18 November 2019 17: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: Zaurbek
      And that would work as much as possible without the human factor.

      Arabs, in general, it is advisable to purchase all military equipment along with the crews.
  2. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 18 November 2019 11: 12 New
    +1
    Well, yes, they convinced Turkey - they did not convince. Now you have to switch to Saudi Arabia - to convince. lol
  3. andrewkor
    andrewkor 18 November 2019 11: 26 New
    +1
    During his voyage to BV, Trump agreed to kind of (keyword) put weapons in the hundreds of billions of $. And now how to live with it?
  4. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 18 November 2019 11: 32 New
    +1
    Russian air defense systems have now become not only weapons themselves, but also the subject of political and economic bargaining with the United States .....
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 18 November 2019 12: 01 New
      0
      Quote: Alexey-74
      Russian air defense systems have now become not only weapons themselves, but also the subject of political and economic bargaining with the United States

      Especially after Trump proposed a deal for 400 lard greens to Erdogan for refusing to acquire the S-100.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 18 November 2019 11: 39 New
    0
    from the air show in Dubai, there were reports that Moscow and Riyadh were discussing the supply of S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems to Saudi Arabia.

    Discuss and discuss ... what is the essence of the issue then?
    1. Demon_is_ada
      Demon_is_ada 18 November 2019 13: 10 New
      +2
      Most likely they want "all-inclusive" as they are used to, including the crew ... Any car without people is just a pile of scrap metal, and that's probably how they are making a mistake about how the United States does not offend and the little bastard laughing They have money, and like a fool of a shag, and they need real protection, not exhibition samples ... The popados is noble, of course, but before that he had to think and not show the goat to the neighbors ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 November 2019 14: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: Demon_is_ada
        Any machine without people is just a pile of scrap metal.

        This is expensive and not scrap metal ... what if they soprut unit, that joy to all flying, there will be ???
        1. Demon_is_ada
          Demon_is_ada 18 November 2019 14: 14 New
          +2
          It depends on who matches lol if there are such women, then there will be a pile of scrap metal in another place ... though at the price of precious metals ... recourse
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 November 2019 14: 33 New
            +1
            Interestingly, and if the entire BV is purchased by our anti-aircraft systems, how will striped and elected fly there?
            It is clear that the camel at the remote control is the same as a monkey with a grenade ... what if he can press it correctly? All the same, the system is advanced, the degree of automation there is high.
            1. Demon_is_ada
              Demon_is_ada 18 November 2019 14: 37 New
              +1
              ... probably now and now and not far from home laughing There is a possibility that bears ride motorcycles in the circus ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 18 November 2019 14: 48 New
                +1
                Well, it’s not worth talking about it sooner or completely. Let's look at the development of events.
  6. Livonetc
    Livonetc 18 November 2019 11: 45 New
    +3
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Well, you sell C400 there, then everyone will train on it, then it will stop shooting down Western planes ......

    He is not a girl, so that to shoot down not to shoot down.
    Yes, and sell export versions.
    Do not worry so much for Russia.
    Russia will create new versions of defensive weapons and will find a way to overcome other people's missile defense systems.
  7. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 18 November 2019 11: 46 New
    -1
    From low-flying drones and KR S-400 is as useless as the Patriot.
    They need Thor and Carapace.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 18 November 2019 11: 56 New
      +1
      I wrote this .... and it is advisable to work in automatic mode.
      1. rich
        rich 18 November 2019 12: 16 New
        +2
        Triumphs alone will not do the weather for the Saudis
        they need to create at least a zonal (frontier) anti-aircraft missile cover for the most important objects of the military-economic potential and the armed forces in the most probable directions of the air enemy’s actions:
        ZRPK short-range "Tor", "Shell";
        Short-range air defense systems "Osa-AKM"; S-125 "Pechora-2M";
        Medium-range air defense systems "Buk-M2E";
        Long-range air defense missile systems S-200VE Vega; S-300 or S-400
        Among other things, in order to protect objects from airborne and space reconnaissance systems, electronic warfare systems "Krasuha" should be deployed on its territory
    2. figwam
      figwam 18 November 2019 13: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      From low-flying drones and KR S-400 is as useless as the Patriot.
      They need Thor and Carapace.

      The S-400 operates from 10 meters, it is not logical and expensive to use such a complex on a drone, therefore they use Tor and Shell.
    3. Demon_is_ada
      Demon_is_ada 18 November 2019 13: 16 New
      +2
      Alexei, you mislead the people, the c400 is not useless, it can hit on ground targets, if anything, but it’s a little expensive, even for Saudis you can go around the world. I foresee questions in advance - we put on a knoll, blocking the minimum distance for the use of missiles, we cut flight control, we cut down homing and produce remote detonation. Against a swarm of waabsche vechch considering the number of fragments in warhead bully
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 18 November 2019 13: 24 New
        -2
        The S-400 has not yet been in combat use. But the large size of the missile makes it clear that it is geared towards high-altitude aero- and ballistic targets, including high-speed intercepts “after”.
        KR and UAV intercept missiles of much smaller sizes. Like Tori, Shell, etc.
        1. Demon_is_ada
          Demon_is_ada 18 November 2019 14: 20 New
          +1
          Alexei, it’s clear that this should be so and it is economically feasible, you are still a Jew hi But if the "fried rooster" pecks? And the cost of the rocket is comparable to the losses from damage to the plant? The question is the frequency of probable raids, is it profitable or not ... And yes, that's why we have layered air defense, we save on missiles and protected objects, well, we don’t have a printing press crying
        2. Polymer
          Polymer 18 November 2019 21: 47 New
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          KR and UAV intercept missiles of much smaller sizes. Like Tori, Shell, etc.

          Yes, only the S-400 gives just target designation to the Shells in Khmeimim. Separately, the Shell will not be so effective.
    4. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 18 November 2019 14: 48 New
      +2
      The battery of shells seems to be included in the c400 division. They work as a couple.
  8. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 18 November 2019 12: 08 New
    +1
    The United States loves to crack the “wrong” democracies, and so that the cracking is 100% successful, I think that it is very profitable for potential clients to crack into the “protection” they made!
  9. askort154
    askort154 18 November 2019 13: 06 New
    +2
    ".... S-400 for Saudi Arabia - protection from Iran ...."

    The Saudis understood what a "patriot" is and decided not to tempt fate anymore.
    And Israel, while the back of the head scratches ?! Officially take a turn - US Congress
    He will swear heavily, or buy him through the "coasters" and call him - "Sling under the iron cumpolos." belay
  10. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 18 November 2019 13: 41 New
    0
    Only combat use of the S400 can kill doubts about effectiveness. It is necessary to plant one Jewish f16, immediately the line will be built.
  11. Charik
    Charik 18 November 2019 15: 13 New
    0
    THEY HAVE TERRORISTS US TO THE CAUCASUS, and we now give them C400