Real integration with Donbass catches fear on Kiev politicians


Recently, in Kiev, they began to actively discuss the question of what real integration with “special regions of Donetsk and Lugansk regions” could result for Ukraine. In other words, Kiev politicians were preoccupied with the question of what to expect in the future if the DPR and LPR are indeed included in Ukraine on a full basis, which is prescribed in the Minsk agreements.


It turned out that for many Ukrainian politicians, such a prospect (against the background of constant rhetoric about the need to return the Donbass) is not just not satisfied, but even arouses fear. Frighteningly, with the full integration of the Donbass into the “Ukrainian space”, Kiev will have to reckon with the opinions of millions of residents of Donetsk and Lugansk regions. And this means that Kiev will have to forget about declarations of integration, for example, with NATO. Additionally: Kiev will have to reckon with the opinion of the inhabitants of Donbass regarding the Russian language. It will no longer be possible to get rid of Russian-language schools by forceful methods, from teaching in Russian at universities.

A separate question: if Kiev suddenly fulfills each of the points of the Minsk agreements and LDNR falls under Kiev jurisdiction, that same Kiev will have to reconsider its attitude to issues to a greater extent storiesincluding dismantling of monuments. Residents of Donbass, faced with Kiev aggression, will not silently look at how several young men destroy monuments, busts and bas-reliefs created in honor of the famous Soviet military leaders.

An additional reason for the Kiev fear of full integration with LDNR is the issues of manning the army. The special status of these territories may not allow the implementation of the draft in the Ukrainian army.

If Kiev starts elections in the Donbass according to “Ukrainian legislation”, then the radicals will definitely not have any chance of appearing in the country's power structures if Kiev does not resort to falsifications. On the other hand, any falsification may become a pretext for a new Donbass uprising.

Well, there is a separate reason for Kiev’s fears: the example of LDNR in terms of upholding its interests may inspire other regions of Ukraine, which for Kiev is like a charge of salt under the tail.

As a conclusion: it is Kiev, in the first place, that is itself not ready for real integration with the Donbass, because such integration can completely reformat today's Ukraine.
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  1. Fevralsk. Morev 18 November 2019 10: 11 New
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    Whatever the day is a problem.
    1. Vladimir16 18 November 2019 10: 17 New
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      A soft sign from the monument could be removed ...
      1. Thrall 18 November 2019 11: 18 New
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        The whole history of Ukraine is "who is to blame?" and whom to get smile
        1. Lelek 18 November 2019 12: 47 New
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          Quote: Thrall
          The whole history of Ukraine is "who is to blame?" and whom to get

          hi
          Famously said, but in 10-ku. However, there are Ukrainians with their heads. Here's what about the former Ukraine (and not only) Sergey Datsyuk:
        2. mintai_kot 19 November 2019 15: 50 New
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          Exactly! Next slogan: Anarchy is the mother of order!
    2. andrewkor 18 November 2019 11: 29 New
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      A suitcase without a handle, but with shiny locks, that’s what Donbass is for Ukraine
  2. bessmertniy 18 November 2019 10: 13 New
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    Donbass for Ukraine is the tidbit with which it simply chokes. It’s high time for Kiev politicians to understand this and not try to impose their ukroimperial will on the population of this territory. hi
    1. Vladimir16 18 November 2019 10: 23 New
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      Quote: bessmertniy
      Ukrainian imperial will.

      What nonsense is this?
      Where did you see the empire there?
      Chantrap got the land through communist stupidity.
      This chantrap, everything that could sell, broke the rest.
      1. den3080 18 November 2019 11: 15 New
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        Quote: Vladimir16
        Quote: bessmertniy
        Ukrainian imperial will.

        What nonsense is this?
        Where did you see the empire there?
        Chantrap got the land through communist stupidity.
        This chantrap, everything that could sell, broke the rest.

        There is no empire. Truth. But there is a bad head. And the bad head, as you know, does not give rest to arms / legs.
        Hence the ukroimperial will and foundations, so to speak: the ancient Ukrainians dug up the Black Sea; I don’t eat it, I’ll bite it; zradoperemoga; we are great; hmm, don’t miss that Muscovite, Bandera, come back in order, glory to the death of the thieves ... Sikorsky is our Svidomo Ukrainian, we were the first to fly into space, the dunkirk was taken and other bullshit.
        pah nafik laughing wassat
        1. Lelek 18 November 2019 13: 04 New
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          Quote: den3080
          Hence the ukroimperial will and fundamentals, so to speak

          hi
          Well, you give. From what profile is it "imperkost", is the purest fakecock "banging" on the chest (as chimpanzees and gorillas do it) for the sponsor: "I am here, I am here, I - that, I - this ...". In fact, neither this, nor this, just a concussion. The only real action of the former Ukraine is rabid Russophobia, for which the West throws a bone to its mongrel. This action will cease and the Ruin will become a burden, which they will try to get rid of quickly. M. Pogrebinsky said about the same thing:
        2. Grits 18 November 2019 18: 17 New
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          Quote: den3080
          pah nafi

          They forgot about the wheel, the wheel ...
    2. Chit 18 November 2019 10: 56 New
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      But who told you that Ukraine wants to choke on this piece?
      Yes, in words she declares the territorial integrity of the country. But only because I have to do it. This is a noodle on the ears for its electorate and for the world community. But once again I emphasize - these are just words.
      In fact, everything is different.
      Why does Ukraine need this depressed, half-plundered region? Who will never vote in the right way for Ukraine? Which needs to be restored, and this is a lot of money? Who will need to pay salaries and pensions again? Why is this “happiness" to Ukraine?
      In truth, Russia doesn’t really need it either, apparently. Russia is simply forced to feed this region today.
      So the declarative statements of Ukraine regarding the LPR-DPR are one thing, these are words that mean nothing.
      Real actions will be completely different. If the meeting in the Norman format is unsuccessful (and most likely it will be), then Ukraine will have only one way out - to freeze the conflict. And Russia will have to continue to pour its money constantly into the republics.
    3. nikolai.kolya 18 November 2019 17: 57 New
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      Donbass just digest ...
      But will we digest the Crimea? that is the question...
  3. The leader of the Redskins 18 November 2019 10: 18 New
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    if Kiev suddenly fulfills each of the clauses of the Minsk agreements
    Does anyone believe in this?
    1. Invoce 18 November 2019 11: 49 New
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      I believe ... only if the forced denazification of Ukraine first takes place .... But this is possible only if the Ukrainian authorities declare war on Russia .... What is impossible ... everything will explode from within faster, or Ukraine will cease to exist as a whole state in its current composition .. Crimea then fell off. Odesa, Transcarpathia, Chernivtsi will also fall off .... In Lviv, Kovel and Volyn, the Poles will arrange a massacre themselves (democratic and meeting European standards)
  4. Andrea 18 November 2019 10: 21 New
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    Well, yes, yes ... all the paste that got out is pushed back into the tube, to sit on the grenade and pull out the check. lol
    And there is still Kharkov and Odessa.
    1. 210ox 18 November 2019 11: 03 New
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      Unfortunately, this does not apply to Kharkov and Odessa. We cleaned the pro-Russian ones there. Yes, and in the Donbass, many left there For they see no prospects.
      1. Reptiloid 18 November 2019 12: 07 New
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        Most recently, I got acquainted with Ukrainian magazines from the beginning of the 20th century Kiev, Kharkov, Odessa ..... It is from 1906! Magazines HORSE, OSA, WHISTLE, RING, ODESSIT !!!!!
        You know, this is just awesome! Such a revolutionary upsurge !!!!!
        Such satirical drawings against the bourgeoisie and the ruling! However, not only satirical, but the paintings of artists about which he did not know.
        Until I met the word "Ukrainians" there, not once.
        1. Avior 18 November 2019 23: 04 New
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          Have you looked at the cover?

          And Zvon is a Soviet Ukrainian magazine, published since 1940.
          1. Reptiloid 19 November 2019 04: 04 New
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            The ZVON magazine in 1905 was published in Odessa.
            Also in Moscow there was a magazine with that name, in my opinion only in 1907.
            Not all covers I saw, more ---- drawings, flyers, postcards .....
            In general, at that time there were many satirical magazines in the country, but I got the theme of Ukrainian and Moldavian drawings first
      2. Avior 18 November 2019 12: 08 New
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        Cleaned up the active, that's true.
        But the passive ones were greatly diminished - the achievements of the DPR in terms of people's lives, especially salaries, are highly doubtful
        1. Demon_is_ada 18 November 2019 13: 37 New
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          Quote: Avior
          achievements of the DPR in terms of people's lives, especially salaries, are highly doubtful

          Such a mustache in the world is relative, this is what Einstein said ... Salary in relation to yours in Israel? Undoubtedly, in Israel there are more and even more than in Russia and sho, are you ready to accept us? laughing But against the background of Svidomo Donbass how people live ... yeah ...
          1. Avior 18 November 2019 17: 11 New
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            Yeah. With a salary of 6 thousand rubles, just fine.
            With an average of 32 thousand rubles in that part of the Donetsk region near Ukraine.
            1. Demon_is_ada 18 November 2019 17: 45 New
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              Well, you turned it down, although we have 8 thousand in Russia ... but this is basically a budget. Familiar there at the mine under 40, but the work is not constant, they work, they stand, the wife at the plant is 18 kilo rubles ...
              1. Avior 18 November 2019 18: 42 New
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                Where is this?
                We discussed about the DPR here a hundred times, the figure of 6-7 thousand average salaries is from those written by multiple residents of the DPR themselves, about Ukraine - official data from the website of the Ukrainian Ministry of Finance, only I converted to rubles.
                1. Demon_is_ada 18 November 2019 19: 01 New
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                  This is from my village wink Here we have a woman working in weaving, so this man is her brother in Donetsk, and she herself, on the other hand, got married in such a way. Well, she lives there in a production room in a room and works hard like Savraska for 45-50 and receives citizenship for two years already, and is wildly angry especially now when DNR citizens are just given citizenship, and she is on general grounds. And if there is such an average, then probably she would have been blown away by the blow of a squat, her husband and children are there, but there is no housing here, renting is expensive. But her brother is not going here laughing By the way, their father was in the village, and he hadn’t seen his salary for a long time, not even 7, they only give cash on great holidays, but in principle he doesn’t need it, they give food and coal for heating and save money, such as for funerals or medicines. And once again 6-7 is the budget, which is quite possible, pensioners can still, we have 8-10 laughing and the frosts are cooler, gas is a little expensive for such a pension ... But the official data is something, we have got the same 70-80 on average for five years now laughing
                  1. Avior 18 November 2019 19: 07 New
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                    Honestly, I didn’t understand who was on which side.
                    Average it is average, someone has more, someone less.
                    The village is probably less than in factories.
                    1. Demon_is_ada 18 November 2019 19: 15 New
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                      The factories have more ... if they work, the DPR has at least a prospect, there is a sale of products to Russia. The Euro-integrated ones do not, they don’t need anyone to compete, they won’t even let them do as before - they will mine in the village in the garden, they’ve gathered land to sell, they’ll hunch back at the western lords for a bowl of pottage. And Svidomo hahol will not buy land packages of 200000 hectares, dumb gold reserve ... aha ...
                      1. Avior 18 November 2019 19: 34 New
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                        Yeah, no sales, average salary 32 thousand
                        Sales will appear - everyone will surpass salaries smile
  5. janeck 18 November 2019 10: 22 New
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    it would be nice. if our authorities didn’t "really catch up with fear .. against Kiev politicians." but really would be engaged in integration with the Donbass. there are living people. our people. enough half measures.
    1. Invoce 18 November 2019 11: 42 New
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      Quote: Janek
      it would be nice. if our authorities didn’t "really catch up with fear .. against Kiev politicians." but really would be engaged in integration with the Donbass. There are living people. Our people. enough half measures.

      Integration of Donbass with whom? If Donbass is with Ukraine, then in accordance with the Minsk agreements this is the Ukrainian problem ... We can only insist on the implementation of the agreements ...
      belay If with Russia, then this is not the time, as long as Ukraine is ready, at least in words, to implement the Minsk agreements
  6. Sitearvi 18 November 2019 10: 34 New
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    Kiev does not want to return Donbas across Minsk (to give wide autonomy to its militia, its border guards in Russian), because western Ukraine will demand the same autonomy, and several Ukrainians will appear on the map.
    1. Avior 18 November 2019 12: 09 New
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      In Minsk, Ukrainian border guards, not their own.
      And the territory of Minsk is smaller.
  7. rocket757 18 November 2019 10: 38 New
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    The principle is that at first promise everything they want, and then ..... in short it’s clear! no one has yet canceled. Banderlogs do not think differently.
    1. asv363 18 November 2019 11: 11 New
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      Victor, they don’t want to promise. The same Zelensky is against universal and unconditional amnesty, and they don’t want to introduce the special status of the DPR and LPR in the constitution in Kiev.

      If you look from the other side, then most of the inhabitants of Donbass want the inclusion of the DPR and LPR in Russia.
      1. rocket757 18 November 2019 11: 34 New
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        Even the question is not worth asking, changed the awl for soap. And so everything is clear.
        But it’s not winter yet, not cold ... the state of “frostbite brains” is for a long time.
        1. Reptiloid 18 November 2019 12: 15 New
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          Greetings Victor! If only it would become completely clear in the Kremlin, there can be no integration with the Ukrainian fascists. Only separation from Ukraine and joining Russia.
          1. rocket757 18 November 2019 12: 28 New
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            Hi Dmitry soldier
            We can only guess what they conceived in the Kremlin ... so many times everything seemed to be obvious ... but no, it was just vibrations, and not a movement somewhere specifically.
            1. Reptiloid 18 November 2019 12: 39 New
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              A little higher, Victor, I wrote about Ukrainian magazines at the beginning of the last century. I understood very well that the word "Ukrainian" was not there at that time. For example, there was a magazine (or newspaper) KIEV SPEECH. Not Ukrainian, but Kiev. They considered themselves Russian. Empathized.
              And the revolutionary upsurge of the beginning of that century took place throughout the country. It was one people
              And in the Great Patriotic War it was also one people. .
              1. rocket757 18 November 2019 12: 47 New
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                Quote: Reptiloid
                And in the Great Patriotic War it was also one people. .

                The USSR was strong precisely because the people were united.
                There were, there were problems, here and there, but after all, picking up from all the outskirts only just ended and had not yet managed to settle down everything as it should. Anyway, the main backbone, the unity of the Slavic peoples gave a real unity of the peoples in the great and terrible war. The people won and revived the country ....
                How much we have lost now, it will be very difficult to restore it.
                1. Demon_is_ada 18 November 2019 13: 45 New
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                  Victor hi
                  The process is independent of svidomit, the distribution of passports laughing And sho they will do there when only Russian citizens will be there ??? belay And the place where the citizens of Russia live is automatically Russia and the hell you relocate whom you want. So this is Minsk chatter, format, etc. it was relevant when they suggested and did not have to drag out time, now it's just chatter ...
                  1. rocket757 18 November 2019 14: 15 New
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                    Dmitry welcome soldier
                    It’s easier to believe that the game is going on for a long time than in everything else.
                    No matter how foreign the “partners” are, it’s not very unnerving and in the end to achieve your goal! ...
                    One is not happy, people there are difficult and dangerous to that! Moreover, if you overdo it, people do not understand and doubts will arise that it is not useful in our situation!
                    To gather compatriots, co-religionists of ours in spirit, so do it explicitly and for the benefit of all! A person needs faith, and even better knowledge that he will not be left in trouble!
                    1. Demon_is_ada 18 November 2019 14: 32 New
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                      The USSR was a brilliant decision, but alas, it was ahead of its time and it hurts and offends me very much, but not recognizing the facts will make it better now and then, on the contrary, it will make it worse later ... The USSR was united on a piece of paper, a strong-willed decision, but it needs to be evolutionary and voluntary. It’s just “according to the Spirit,” just that. Russia itself appeared in this way, evolutionarily, therefore it is impossible to divide it, which did not work out for sworn partners. When the USSR was created, the people of some "union republics" were indeed in favor, but the ultimate goal was not an idea, but a freebie, as they promised help. And pay attention, where the help was maximum, Russophobia is rampant ... Freebie sir, a sweet word for which they sell the soul ... crying
                      1. rocket757 18 November 2019 14: 46 New
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                        Quote: Demon_is_ada
                        The USSR was a brilliant decision, but alas,

                        Our ancestors found the right, understandable for the majority, solution of MANY issues ... while I had to do this in a very difficult environment. It was a struggle of the new, with the old. If their descendants were dominated by the same goals, principles, the common good, the country did not slide at the end to a situation where the betrayal of the upper ones would not be suppressed from below ....
                        In short, a long, difficult topic, which even if they are considering now, it is very one-sided, for the sake of the present, those in power.
                    2. Reptiloid 18 November 2019 17: 50 New
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                      foreign partners, ???? ,Victor! Now, as never before, it is clear that no matter how hard you try, how not to abide by the rules and treaties, but the fact that Russia is --- is already a nerve for foreign partners!!!!! At least do something, at least do nothing --- foreign is not right ..... And people are our people in Bandera’s environment now.
                      1. rocket757 18 November 2019 17: 59 New
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                        Dmitry, Kukuevsky depend on those foreign and this is a fact! In order to have the opportunity to rescue our own, we will spit to the side, but to contact with everyone, to rescue our own.
                      2. Reptiloid 18 November 2019 18: 05 New
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                        Quote: rocket757
                        ...... its free.
                        good Hurry, this time would come.
  8. Lelek 18 November 2019 13: 20 New
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    Quote: rocket757
    Banderlogs do not think differently.

    hi
    Yeah, they think that if they everywhere mutter “the West is with us”, “America is with us” (well, in the spirit of Kovtun’s skunk), that’s how it will be, and the free manna will descend to Ruin. A regime for divorcing troops in the Donbass has been declared, but dill would not be dill if it didn’t stink even in this situation:
    1. rocket757 18 November 2019 14: 19 New
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      Hi lion soldier
      Quote: Lelek
      Yeah, they think that if they everywhere mutter "the West is with us", "America is with us"

      Yeah, checked in! Do they even understand what this means? And this winter has not yet arrived, and the brain is completely and completely frozen.
      It will be difficult to return Svidomo to a normal, sane state ... however, for many this is not realistic at all! Dill sprouted and took root ... but it seems that such harmless grass was like hedgehog they managed to eat it like that, it is not clear.
  • venik 18 November 2019 10: 40 New
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    The author forgot to mention another very serious problem: if LDNR "integrates" into Ukraine ..... Then the Ukrainian authorities will have to RESTORE them destroyed infrastructure of the region, pay pensions and benefits (in full), as well as compensation for destroyed housing and damage !!! And the money for this at the “Independent” - is NOT and IS NOT EXPECTED !!!
    1. To be or not to be 18 November 2019 10: 52 New
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      venik (Vladimir) Today, 10:40 AM NEW

      "The author forgot to mention another very serious problem .."
      The role of the United States in the events in Ukraine and their invested 5 tons of green ... And they are again above all .... And they need and only they .. this Chaos at the junction of Europe and Russia
    2. rich 18 November 2019 12: 03 New
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      And the money for this at the “Independent” - is NOT and IS NOT EXPECTED !!!

      Abroad will help them. Take a loan, not the first time. Yes, and Russia will restore.
      Yes, only I doubt that this money will go away as intended - it’s too painful for the “partners” to be unreliable. As if this "Steinmeier integration" and Donbas, and we did not get sideways
      1. venik 18 November 2019 13: 23 New
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        Quote: Rich
        Abroad will help them. Take a loan, not the first time.

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        Yes, the fact of the matter is that "giving" is no longer in a hurry !!! How many have "given" and all - "like water in the sand"! And they count Not only on "interest on the loan," and also the fact that on this money will attracttheir"firms! And that means the money will return not only from%, but also multiply... And with Ukraine - "bummer" comes out! - EVERYTHING is stolen! And even with% (on loans) - it’s also dumb: a little bit more - they’ll get into "default" .... Wait then, not only%, but also invested money ... request
        Well, "free cheese" (in the sense of "gratuitous help" - that is, completely for nothing) - well, if that’s what they give, so “real crumbs” - they’re not only for the restoration of Donbass - they are even for “(bureaucratic) kids - a trifle” will not be enough!!!
    3. Avior 18 November 2019 12: 10 New
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      . Ukrainian authorities will have to RESTOR their destroyed infrastructure

      I'm afraid no one will restore anything.
      Transfer to local budgets
  • SERGEY SERGEEVICS 18 November 2019 10: 43 New
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    Sooner, this integration would happen, it would be easier for people in LDN to live.
    1. venik 18 November 2019 14: 16 New
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      Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      Sooner, this integration would happen, it would be easier for people in LDN to live.

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      Oooo, How "everything is running"!
      A similar statement, dear SERGEY SERGEEVICS (by the way, why not "sergeevich"??, but it turns out" Sergeyevcs"?) - quite worthy or Ukrainian"hyperpatriot "or person naive "to disgrace" !!! Everything is simple: while in Ukraine “all kinds of” Ukrainian-Neo-Natsiks “rule the ball” - reintegration can go only TWO ways:
      1) - "Natsik" scheme: troop deployment, establishment complete border control then tough "stripping" followed by genocide! LDNR will NOT go to this option!
      2) - COMPLETE autonomy of LDNR (formally part of Ukraine), with its own law enforcement agencies, territorial forces and administration. The leadership of Ukraine will NOT go for this option! More precisely - theoretically - it can go, but on the condition that a HEALTHY forces come to power, and not only will come, but they can REALLY CONTROL situation in the country!). Alas, there are NO such in the "horizon of the Ukrainian politicum" and in the near future - NOT PENDING! ....... request
      And here you are - about "happiness from reintegration" ........ recourse
      1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 18 November 2019 14: 51 New
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        Oooo, How "everything is running"!
        So exactly, when such Ukrainian "hyperpatriots" or naive people "to disgrace" begin to write to me !!! INTEGRATION WITH RUSSIA, NOT WITH YOUR ** KUEV ** You just sleep and see how you can write your Kuev in any of the comments.
        A similar statement, dear SERGEY SERGEEVICS (by the way, why not "sergeevich" ??, but does "sergeevits" come out?) -
        By the way, why a broom, not a broom, and even better a broom and a broom. It’s quite worthy, SUCH TO WRITE ONLY the Ukrainian "hyperpatriot" or the naive person "to disgrace" !!! It's simple: while in Ukraine "all kinds of" ukro-neo-natsiks "rule the ball, YOU WILL BE WRITING ANYTHING IN COMMENTS.
        “Natsik” scheme: the deployment of troops, the establishment of complete control over the border, followed by a strict “sweep” followed by genocide !.
        THIS IS YOU, ALL ALREADY SHOWN WHEN YOU HAVE INTRODUCED YOUR NAZI TROOPS IN LDNR. This time, all this in LDNR - DO NOT GO! Get pug again. And LDNR will integrate only with us with Russia. And you can’t even dream about them.
        And the rest of the nonsense, ABOUT YOUR KIEV YOU CAN LEAVE FOR YOURSELF AND YOURSELF LIKE.
        1. venik 18 November 2019 16: 00 New
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          Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          By the way, why a broom, not a broom, and even better a broom and a broom.

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          Simple masterpiece keenly (or "ass?" umiya ") ..... You can of course" play around "- but WHY? I - I WILL NOT!
          Do you know WHY "broom"? Initially - from the facsimile: "Vnik"..... And then: For that, the broom, broom and broomstick also exist to DIRT and GARBAGE" out of the hut " sweep!
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          Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          THIS IS YOU, ALL ALREADY SHOWN WHEN YOU HAVE INTRODUCED YOUR NAZI TROOPS IN LDNR.

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          Sergeywits, this is how you understand? That is - it is I introduced Donbass Ukrainian troops ?? As we say - "Drink less needed! "
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          And LDNR will integrate only with us with Russia. And you can’t even dream about them.
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          So what am I WHAT ????? So about THIS same!
          PS Mmmm! They say for sure: "I drank it in the morning - it’s free all day!"
          1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 18 November 2019 16: 31 New
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            "donkey?" umiya
            This you have already shown and shown when you started to promote your cuev again.
            Broom how do you understand, again sykanuli and went to write?
            And LDNR will integrate only with us with Russia. And you can’t even dream about them.
            Of course, only with us, not with you.
            So what am I WHAT ????? So about THIS same!
            No, you drank again and started writing about your kuev.
            PS Mmmm! They say for sure: "I drank it in the morning - it's free all day!"
            I can even make an adjustment, they kicked and went again. You write about your kuev.
            That is - it was I who introduced Ukrainian troops to the Donbass ??
            And how can I know, I didn’t carry out the investigation, you know better. Perhaps I took part, since you write about it.
            As we say - "Drink less!"
            Your kuev will still say something to you if only they poured it.
            1. venik 18 November 2019 21: 40 New
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              This you have already shown and shown when you started to promote your cuev again.
              Broom how do you understand, again sykanuli and went to write?
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              Another provocation? Do you all hope that I will "lead"? In vain !!! tongue
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              No, you drank again and started writing about your kuev.

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              There is a proverb: "Everyone" measures " by oneself"
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              I can even make an adjustment, sykanuli and go again you write about your kuev.

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              WHAT means (quote) "sykanuli"???? Do not decrypt?
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              And how can I know, I didn’t carry out the investigation, you know better. Perhaps I took part, since you write about it.

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              ??????? fool
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              Your kuev will still say something to you if only they poured it.

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              Oh, my friend, and you are definitely a PROVOCATOR! An hour - not from the "cyber military" independent? There seem to be a lot of such ..... No?
              1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 19 November 2019 09: 16 New
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                Another provocation? Do you all hope that I will "lead"? In vain !!!
                No, it’s just according to your scheme that I’m working. But this tongue You can leave for yourself and your kind, fuuuuuu disgrace.
                There is a proverb: "Everyone" measures "by himself!"
                And why not, after work you can drinks. And there is another proverb, it suits you better: ** To the thief and the hat is on **
                And what does (quote) mean "sykanul" ???? Do not decrypt?
                Drank drinks
                ??????? fool
                Why did you get so excited right away?
                Oh, my friend, and you are definitely a PROVOCATOR!
                No, even some bad name you wrote PROVOCATOR! I just work according to your scheme, and you immediately begin to warp from this.
                An hour - not from the "cyber military" independent?
                No, it would be dumb, shameful even to work there. But you, most likely from there, just provoke other people.
                There seem to be a lot of such ..... No?
                No idea how much you work there. You know better.
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    2. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 18 November 2019 14: 56 New
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      Integration with LDNR will be only with RUSSIA and as soon as it occurs, everything will be easier for them right away.
  • Invoce 18 November 2019 10: 50 New
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    All is correct. The horses screaming about the "return" of the territories of the DPR and LPR must first understand what they will do if this happens. Nobody will allow to arrange genocide, to fulfill the Minsk agreements - it’s easier for them to shoot themselves ... Equation of solution, at the moment, without denazification of Ukraine, doesn’t.
    In general, horses should be forgotten about Crimea. Maybe someone from the marginals living in Crimea would like to return to Ukraine ... but there are such a tiny minority.
    In Alupka, in the Vorontsov Park, the artist "works" ... constantly aches that paints used to be cheaper, and now she goes to buy in Ukraine .... What is she advised to buy in Ukraine with gasoline laughing despite the fact that in Crimea it is more expensive than in other regions of Russia by 5 rubles!
  • New Year day 18 November 2019 10: 50 New
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    Neither Ukraine nor Russia is ready for integration with LDNR. The first - because for them they are completely alien people, Russia - because all the costs are high, and most importantly, the meaning of all 5 past years will be lost
    1. Reptiloid 18 November 2019 12: 28 New
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      And now, dear Doctor, I do not agree with you. It’s impossible to just connect neighboring territories, especially not even administrative borders. And after 5 years --- this is normal. The Russian Federation has done everything possible to resolve it. It is time to stop this uncertainty. To give the inhabitants of the republics the opportunity to live a normal life in the country where they want. These 5 years confirm the seriousness of their intentions to unite with the Russian Federation.
      1. New Year day 18 November 2019 14: 24 New
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        Quote: Reptiloid
        It is time to end this uncertainty.

        Undoubtedly!

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        These 5 years confirm the seriousness of their intentions to unite with the Russian Federation.

        Do the intentions of the Russian Federation confirm?
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        After all, one cannot just adjoin neighboring territories, especially not even administrative borders.

        That's it!
  • friend of animals 18 November 2019 10: 55 New
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    The author’s message, apparently, integration is good, because scares Ukrainian politicians and destroys Ukraine subsequently. They have no more money for restoration. Tricky plan, very tricky.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich 18 November 2019 11: 17 New
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    Donbass- with arms in his hands defended his dignity and glory of a strong people! Well done! And the embroidered shirts and pans as they were slaves, so they remained. History has put everything in its place.
    1. nikolai.kolya 18 November 2019 17: 55 New
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      oh do not tell .... laughing
      what did they defend - life on humanitarian aid?
      people believed that they would be attached as Crimea, but they were thrown into it and used as a bargaining chip ..
  • Alexey-74 18 November 2019 11: 42 New
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    Kiev needs the territory of Donbass, minerals and industry, but not Russian people. So the Khokhlov is not shining anything good, and the smoldering war will be there for a long time.
    1. mikle1999 18 November 2019 14: 40 New
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      And who will plow the land there and climb the mines according to yours? Zapadentsy, Americans, Chinese? There are no special resources there, the destroyed territory, which, alas, is not needed by anyone. And its inhabitants all the more.
  • Chaldon48 18 November 2019 12: 00 New
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    Kiev is ready to accept the Donbass into Ukraine, but only without its inhabitants.
  • Lord of the Sith 18 November 2019 12: 00 New
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    Reintegration with Ukraine implies federalization, which the current authorities will never go to, they are not suicides. The current Ukraine, or rather Banderstat, rests solely on the fact that unitary.
    Only touch and sprinkle like a house of cards.
  • Avior 18 November 2019 12: 05 New
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    . the radicals will definitely not have any chance of appearing in the power structures of the country

    Ukrainian radicals will not be accurate.
    There will most likely be Akhmetov’s people, with whom in the Donbass many associate “well-fed years”.
    Pushilin will not be chosen for sure ....
  • Incvizitor 18 November 2019 12: 21 New
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    23 years spit on the inhabitants of the East and now will be considered? There will be no more persecution, and in the "human rights organizations" everyone will prefer not to notice.
  • Reptiloid 18 November 2019 13: 10 New
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    ..... the main backbone, the unity of the Slavic peoples gave a real unity of the peoples in the great and terrible war. The people won and revived the country ....
    How much we have lost now, it will be very difficult to restore it.
    Yes, Victor, that's it!
    Remembering the magazines seen, not only Ukrainian, but also Moldavian, one can say ---- both the revolutionary upsurge of 1905-1907, and the Great October Socialist Revolution of 1917 --- there were only one people !!!! Until the evening!
  • mikle1999 18 November 2019 14: 38 New
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    It has long been clear that the situation with the Donbass until Putin’s death, plus another 15-20 years for at least some kind of solution to the problems. In general, the population fell specifically, for a long time, if not forever. Sorry for the guys, quite differently 5 years ago they imagined their future.
  • nikolai.kolya 18 November 2019 15: 34 New
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    oh yeah okay right afraid ....
    close the border
    persons with dual citizenship will be deprived of Ukrainian citizenship (the more so ours give something primarily to the most devoted and loyal)
    will fill the territory with security forces
    will find local leaders
    Yes, and heal ....
  • Ros 56 18 November 2019 16: 27 New
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    We need to take our lands and normal people from them, and let the banderlogs jump in Galicia. Comrades pretended to be communists pretending to be Russian. I wanted to download the text, or rather excerpts from newspapers of the years when Kharkov was Ukrainianized.