Why the meeting of the leaders of the Norman four in December will not be


Donbass in anticipation of important changes ... The Norman meeting will take place very soon ... Zelensky, Macron and Merkel confirmed the date of the meeting in the "Norman format" ... A solution to the problem of the Ordlo can be found later this year ... Such headlines in the media, to be honest, amuse me. Like numerous statements by “talking heads” on Russian and Ukrainian television.


What solution? Republicans agreed to voluntarily go to a concentration camp? Donetsk and Lugansk really want to become a ghetto, where "subhuman" will live? Kiev agreed to all the conditions of the republics and is ready to create autonomy in these territories?

Stop wishful thinking


May there be no meeting at the beginning of December this year! No matter what the “big people” say with Bankova, from the Champs Elysees and from Willy-Brandt Strasse. No matter how much everyone wants to solve the problem of the civil war in Ukraine ... To meet for the sake of "discussing the problem"? What for?

It’s strange: why did political scientists and analysts grasp so tightly at Putin’s words about the possibility of holding a “Norman meeting” this year? After all, in fact, these words are just words, and nothing more. It is clear that such a meeting can take place in only one case. And everyone knows about it!

After a conversation between the leaders of Europe, Russia and Ukraine, some kind of, possibly a new document, a new road map should appear, new deadlines for ending the war are defined. But (we will take into account the numerous mentions of Donbass at various press conferences of Vladimir Putin) Russia is in favor of implementing the old agreement!

It is completely incomprehensible to me why in Ukraine they still believe that the Donbass is just an obedient kitten in the hands of Moscow. Yes, Russia spends a lot of effort on preserving the Donbass, on helping the Donbass. And economic, and diplomatic, and all others. But on the other side?

On the other hand, we see an announcement on the wanted list not only of the leaders of the republics and well-known politicians, but also of ordinary soldiers and officers of the people's militia, local leaders, even school teachers and doctors. For aiding the invaders. And where do these people go? To Moscow or Rostov?

From your own home? From the graves of fathers and mothers? Will they leave? Those who, from the 2014 year, fought off the APU and the punitive, will leave? Will they get scared and run away? The kitten in the hands of the Kremlin has long grown into a tiger. And he will fight to the last. It’s cruel to fight, to death. Whatever from here, from Russia, they didn’t tell him.

These people saw their own prisoners after being held in democratic prisons of the SBU. They saw wounded soldiers of the militia who were shot dead in broken positions ukrovoyak ... Ultimately, today it would be strange if the Republicans continued to believe the statements of Kiev and Moscow. Friendship is friendship, and tobacco is apart.

Ukraine wants to just talk, not fulfill the agreement


Why am I sure that there will be no meeting in early December? Why do not agree with those who have already prepared fanfare for the solemn victory parade? I will start with a simple fact, but hardly noticed by our media. With Nazarbayev!

Remember the recent statement by this highly respected politician in Moscow about Kazakhstan’s readiness to hold an informal meeting between Putin and Zelensky in Nursultan? Unlike Zelensky, Nazarbayev is a very experienced and respected politician. From this we can draw a simple conclusion: the meeting was prepared. So what?

The response of Vladimir Putin was made specifically at a press conference after the BRICS summit. "Run to unprepared meetings" the Russian president refused! The Russian president does not see the point in empty talk. What can you agree on one on one with Zelensky? Alas, there is nothing yet. He will still not be able to fulfill the agreements.

There is another important factor that plays against the meeting in the near future. This is the understanding that in the leadership of Ukraine today there is complete strife on the issue of Donbass. Zelensky declares his desire to end the conflict, but at the same time strengthens the army group in the CAB.

Foreign Minister of Ukraine Vadim Pristayko declares the same desire, but literally at the next press conference he talks about the possible refusal of Kiev from the Minsk agreements. And again, judging by Putin’s statement, the Kremlin notices this and draws conclusions. In addition to the Kremlin, this is openly spoken in Donetsk and Lugansk.

The law on the special status of Donbass as a stumbling block for the Minsk agreements


Further. According to the Minsk agreements, Kiev should switch to direct communication with the Republicans in the field of legislative initiatives. In particular, after a month and a half the law on the special status of Donbass ends. So what? Zero! Kiev is thinking. But the extension of the law or the adoption of a new law should be coordinated precisely with Donetsk and Lugansk!

I will allow myself to quote again the statement by Vladimir Putin at a press conference after the BRICS summit, but in light of the above:
“In principle, a“ Norman format ”and a meeting in a“ Norman format ”are possible. In general, except for the "Norman format", there is no other mechanism. "
“We hear from Ukrainian officials that another law on the status of Donbass could be adopted. Which one? ”


What does it mean? Putin is a rather tough politician. She will not be guided by the tales of Kiev about the new law on the status of Donbass. And the Ukrainian president is doing well to create the conditions for refusing to meet the leaders of the Norman four perfectly. Otherwise, how to understand this?

“The law on special status has been adopted. It is valid until the end of this year. What will be next, we do not know. We are ready to discuss these issues in a Norman format, we are ready to discuss with Ukrainian society. Until the people's deputies vote for him, there will be no law ... "


Turning the meeting of leading European politicians into a debate about the civil war in Ukraine will fail


To summarize the past events. So, Ukraine is not going to implement the Minsk agreements. There is no understanding of what Ukrainians want from these agreements. “For all good versus all bad” or “for world peace” does not pass here.

Zelensky’s desire to transfer the discussion of the problems of Donbass to the level of presidents is understandable. He, even for some reason, thinks that involving the leaders of the leading European countries in solving some technical issues will be his first foreign policy victory.

But is it a victory? Macron, Merkel and Putin will not participate in the round table to discuss the civil war in Ukraine. And delaying the solution to the problem will lead to increased internal confrontation in Ukraine itself.

Putin is ready to speak only if Ukraine is ready for concrete steps to end the war. If the issues are really resolved, without which the Minsk agreements are simply not feasible. Especially the law on the special status of Donbass. Moscow announces this almost daily. But on Bankovaya, officials had their ears pledged.

Time is playing against Kiev today. DNI and LC have already been born as states. Not “there were elements of an independent state,” namely, “born as state entities” with all the elements of an independent state. This means that there will be no more 4-5 years of war. There will be a proclamation of a new or new state. By the way, not the smallest in Europe.

So the euphoria about the meeting of the leaders of the Norman four is at least premature. At best, Merkel, Macron, Putin and Zelensky will be able to wish each other a Merry Christmas or a Happy New Year ...
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  1. The leader of the Redskins 19 November 2019 15: 14 New
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    In principle, the wait is not long. True, in the case of a failed forecast, no one will remember this article. She, as I understand it, more to maintain tone?
    1. Sergey M. Karasev 19 November 2019 15: 43 New
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      IMHO, the meeting will still take place, but after it nothing will change.
      1. iConst 19 November 2019 16: 19 New
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        Quote: Sergey Karasev
        the meeting will nevertheless take place, but after it nothing will change.

        How to say. If Macron, perhaps, has nothing against "hanging out," then tired Merkel does not need this for nothing. Moreover, “nothing will change” plays more on Macron and against Merkel.
        Well, Ze needs only performance - a zero result suits him more than.
        1. matross 19 November 2019 16: 52 New
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          He only needs performance - a zero result suits him more than.

          I agree. Zero - yes. And if instead of performance it turns out that the older ones poke the puppy with his nose into his ... installation? With shouts of "fu!"
          The leaders of old Europe are quite capable of writing off Ukraine. A fairly tough position at the meeting and its public expression.
          1. Chit 19 November 2019 17: 14 New
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            Your lips and honey would ...
            And if everything will be different?
            If Zelensky succeeds in showing the West that he is doing everything for the sake of meeting, and ultimately for peace? And he, by the way, is showing it so far.
            And then present the matter in such a way that Ukraine achieved a meeting in the Norman format, did everything for this, but Russia set unacceptable conditions at the talks? But it will be so. Putin’s terms will initially be unacceptable to Ukraine.
            And in the end?
            Zelensky won. And in front of my electorate, they say, I did everything I could for the world.
            And in front of the West. The argument is the same - I did everything I could, it’s not my fault that Russia is disrupting negotiations with unimaginable conditions. In the light of the increasing conversations in the West about lifting sanctions against Russia, such a formulation of the question is not very desirable.
            I do not exclude the possibility that Zelensky, as a stupid person, understands that the meeting will most likely end in zilch. But perhaps this is precisely what his game consists of. To show oneself as a peacemaker, and to the West to point out precisely Russia’s unwillingness to a peaceful settlement.
            1. matross 19 November 2019 18: 50 New
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              Quote: Chit
              In light of the increasing talk in the West about lifting sanctions against Russia

              In this light, it is highlighted that European leaders are not so gullible that Zelya can convince them of their peacekeeping.
              And before the ukroelectorate ...
              the electorate, this is closer to the elections, now he needs to play for Bandera and not the dove of the world.
            2. Sergey M. Karasev 19 November 2019 19: 07 New
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              And then present the matter in such a way that Ukraine achieved a meeting in the Norman format, did everything for this, but Russia set unacceptable conditions at the talks? But it will be so. Putin’s terms will initially be unacceptable to Ukraine.

              Zelensky will still need to convince Macron and Merkel that the Russian conditions will be unacceptable to him. Those may have a completely different opinion. And his whole game will go down the drain.
              Zelensky’s task is to hold out until Trump leaves and elects a globalist president in the United States, such as Grandmother Clinton.
              Theoretically, Zelensky can agree to some agreements, but he won’t really fulfill them, otherwise he will be swept away by the wild ukronatsiks, who cannot be curbed not only by himself, but also by his master. Therefore, there will be no changes. But to disrupt the meeting so that his guilt was obvious, it is very disadvantageous for him. Unless having arranged a provocation, such as writing on a nearby branch, sending freshly turned scows to break through the Kerch Strait a second time.
              The soon lifting of sanctions is also hard to believe. Our sworn "partners" in stock will have a handful of arguments for Europeans in favor of extending sanctions. Not at all connected with ukrami.
            3. Sergey M. Karasev 19 November 2019 19: 17 New
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              Although, a border incident or other similar provocation for Zelensky is not a reason to refuse to meet. Quite the contrary - a great opportunity to find out relations with Putin in the presence of arbitrators. To refuse a meeting, he needs to invent something much more cunning. But will he have enough brains?
            4. Moore 20 November 2019 05: 57 New
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              Quote: Chit
              If Zelensky succeeds in showing the West that he is doing everything for the sake of meeting, and ultimately for peace?

              Norman gatherings still confirm and are based on the Minsk agreements. Therefore, “doing everything for the sake of a meeting”, at which Zee is going to persuade Merkel and Macron to cancel these agreements, as unacceptable, is a little like striving for peace.
              Quote: Chit
              To show oneself as a peacemaker, and to the West to point out precisely Russia’s unwillingness to a peaceful settlement

              It will be difficult for a clown to show himself as a peacemaker without recognizing Steinmeier’s formula ...
      2. tihonmarine 19 November 2019 17: 16 New
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        Quote: Sergey Karasev
        the meeting will nevertheless take place, but after it nothing will change.

        Greenbaby already had some gatherings on 9 hours already arranged. Talk about nothing, drank a seagull, anecdotes hung out. And what, he thinks Merkel, Macron, Putin will go down to such gatherings? They have no other worries, like "scratching their teeth" with 95 quarter.
        1. Sergey M. Karasev 19 November 2019 19: 26 New
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          And what, he thinks Merkel, Macron, Putin will go down to such gatherings? They have no other worries than "scratching their teeth" with 95th quarter.

          It’s a sin for Merkel and Macron not to play peacekeepers, since there is such an opportunity. You look, and they will give the Nobel Peace in a year. And Putin will simply have to go there, otherwise he will not wash off the stigma of the arsonist of war.
      3. Lelek 19 November 2019 20: 15 New
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        Quote: Sergey Karasev
        the meeting will nevertheless take place, but after it nothing will change

        hi
        Apparently - will take place. But will something change - an exam for Hetman Ze for maturity and legal capacity. After all, there will be 3 guarantor examiners at the table and 1 examiner who has not completed the task. The Russian Federation has already warned the latter that an attempt to transfer the conversation from the Minsk 2 roadmap to blah blah about the occupation, about Crimea, about the Strait of Kerch, about gas and other Ukrainian “Wishlist” would be equated to a breakdown of negotiations. So let's see how everything goes. yes
        1. Sergey M. Karasev 20 November 2019 03: 05 New
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          But will something change - an exam for Hetman Ze for maturity and legal capacity. TO

          And he will have to fail him, otherwise he will get a third Maidan. Banderlogs will not tolerate real progress towards the real world in the Donbass from the side of Ze, otherwise their strength and influence will tend to zero. And they represent a significant force, dangerous even for Kolomoisky.
          1. Lelek 20 November 2019 11: 58 New
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            Quote: Sergey Karasev
            dangerous even for Kolomoisky.


            “Bekal”, having granted the former Ukraine from the “promised lands” to the tinsel, hoped to make a gesheft by raising comedian Ze to the hetman's chair. The idea (IMHO) of his was to become interesting for the United States through his protege, who blocked his bank accounts (and Tamot’s holdings are not small), but it turned out to be a bummer - Ze somehow freed himself from the hard custody of a conspirator, Beny was not interesting (unlike his money), he ended up shorter than in business and not in money - a rogue in maintenance (he certainly has some of the Israeli stash, but this does not give him the opportunity to pay for the Landsknechts-Natsik, as in the previous time). Hence, his desperate passes to the United States with threats to go over to the side of Russia (not for free, but for 100 lard bucks - what a shy one). So, in the near future it is necessary to expect the flight of the “commander” back to the Davidov’s penalties, otherwise you can catch a random “coolie”.
  2. knn54 19 November 2019 15: 17 New
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    Arranges the "95th quarter" at the level of Presidents.
    1. Sergey39 19 November 2019 15: 39 New
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      Yes, the meeting can and will take place, for show. Just take your time. Time in this case plays on LDN.
      1. tihonmarine 19 November 2019 17: 17 New
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        Time in this case plays on LDN.

        And he also plays at Greenbeby.
    2. asv363 19 November 2019 16: 45 New
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      I would say not at the level of presidents, but for presidents. This is his maximum. And what can he say at the meeting besides the fact that he is president, he is 42 years old and he is not some kind of sucker?
  3. Thrifty 19 November 2019 15: 29 New
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    Simply, Zelensky needs this meeting to maintain his image, or he will soon repeat the fate of the vegetable if there are no concrete results in the Donbass. ..
  4. qQQQ 19 November 2019 15: 42 New
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    The meeting will still take place, Merkel and Macron really want it, and Putin will once again demonstrate Ukraine’s inconsistency and dunk them with them, if not created, then supported by guano.
  5. Amateur 19 November 2019 15: 49 New
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    What will GDP discuss with Ze? In which Russian city is it better to attach it after the Natsik arrange lustration in the trash can for it when it is exported from Bankova? Or offers to star in a tragic role in the Russian patriotic film a la Y. Nikulin in "20 days without war"
  6. Galleon 19 November 2019 15: 55 New
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    In vain the pelvis was returned to the arrested. We had to wait until we met: they will behave themselves decently, they will withdraw the troops, then promise that we will return. And so in advance ... a manifestation of weakness.
    1. Nyrobsky 19 November 2019 16: 21 New
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      In vain the pelvis was returned to the arrested. We had to wait until we met: they will behave themselves decently, they will withdraw the troops, then promise that we will return. And so in advance ... a manifestation of weakness.

      Just they were given as part of the preparation of the meeting in order to deprive Ukraine of one of the trump cards in terms of rolling out claims. The meeting will be on anyone, because the leaders of Russia, France and Germany and without Ukraine have something to talk face to face, because Europe has enough problems and why not use this format for this, without adjusting its schedules and unnecessary troubles with the preparation of visits? But what will Ukraine get from this? is a big question. Zee will take away the fist of the head of the head, after which, by the new meeting of this "teacher's council", he will have to break through with his homework.
      1. Galleon 19 November 2019 16: 29 New
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        Just they were given as part of the preparation of the meeting in order to deprive Ukraine of one of the trump cards in terms of rolling out claims.

        If, when discussing the most important issues of war and peace, you begin to remember a couple of motobots and a tugboat, you will look petty and pathetic, these are no trump cards. Such an opportunity could be given to opponents, and blamed for the pettiness and violation of the rules for crossing the border. And so Zelya acknowledged this violation! The return of this technique “for no reason” gave rise to the Svidomo to talk about victory over Russia (“they demanded from them, and they gave it away”). The magnanimous return of the arrested craft had to be earned by the exemplary behavior of the violator of international treaties.
        1. Nyrobsky 19 November 2019 16: 36 New
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          If, when discussing the most important issues of war and peace, you begin to remember a couple of motobots and a tugboat, you will look petty and pathetic, these are no trump cards.
          They carried smaller trump cards with them, from passports to pieces of bus lining. Zelensky at the UN was brandishing a bullet. Then the "aggressor" gave them what is physically i.e. sailors and their vessels, and more than that he had nothing to show.
    2. iConst 19 November 2019 16: 22 New
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      In vain the pelvis was returned to the arrested.

      I, I think, not in vain - by and large it was precisely for this that they were held. Show that Moscow really wants to resolve the conflict. A kind of gesture of goodwill.
      Demonstrative flogging was carried out and the sense of holding these miserable dishes?
    3. wt100 19 November 2019 16: 35 New
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      We have these troughs without self-interest, and so they have a deposit and our good mood, now the ball is on the side of Kiev, in a compartment with Paris and Berlin
    4. tihonmarine 19 November 2019 17: 20 New
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      We had to wait until the meeting: they will behave decently

      No, there is just no reason to divert the negotiations to the "Lokhankin side."
    5. 210ox 19 November 2019 18: 49 New
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      By the way, the return of these will be worried and suggests that the meeting will nevertheless take place.
  7. Filing 19 November 2019 16: 01 New
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    The main thing is amnesty. But it is not under the legislation of Ukraine. Russia increases the number of “Russian citizens” by issuing passports in the territories of the DPR and LPR. If the "Citizens of Russia" will oppress what Russia will do ...
  8. Indifferent 19 November 2019 16: 04 New
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    Putin does not need a meeting for the sake of meeting, and here I completely agree with the author. You should not raise the rating Zelensky for the sake of rating. Then it will only get worse. They are greyhounds. And so it’s cheaper for them and they agree to pump it through Ukraine and they give the coal almost for nothing. They do everything not for power but "for the sake of the people." In order not to freeze, not to suffer, and so on ... And the output is only a squeal more! If Putin agrees to the meeting, then only in order to "check the clock," as they say. We need to talk about "Greater Europe" with the leaders of leading countries. After Europe, sanctions will have to be lifted. They (sanctions) will no longer "depend" only on us.
    1. Vita vko 19 November 2019 16: 35 New
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      Putin does not need a meeting for the sake of meeting

      If we recall the military-political situation before the signing of the Minsk agreements, then after the defeat of the Armed Forces near Ilovaisk and the actual encirclement of Mariupol, the signing of this document was a serious concession to the Kiev junta, on the verge of betrayal of the population of New Russia, who voted for independence in a referendum similar to the Crimean one.
      What is the result? Four years of terror, the murder of leaders of the LPR, including the main signatory from the DPR, Zakharchenko, the constant destruction of infrastructure, financial and energy blockade, "toad jumping," etc. But any policy is primarily a search for compromises and concessions. The question is, what other concessions can be made by Russia, which is not even a party to the conflict?
    2. tihonmarine 19 November 2019 17: 27 New
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      Quote: indifferent
      And so it’s cheaper for them and they agree to pump it through Ukraine and they give the coal almost for nothing. They do everything not for power but "for the sake of the people." In order not to freeze, not to suffer, and so on ... And the output is only a squeal more!

      In our Transbaikalia, hunters say, "The more you give a dog more to eat, the more he wants." The hunter's motto is "Keep Dogs Hungry."
    3. sevryuk 20 November 2019 02: 28 New
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      Will Putin ever dissociate himself from the Bialowieza Agreement? Does he admit that the Belarusian Soviet Socialist Republic is, albeit a large, but still a piece of historical Russia?
  9. Berkut24 19 November 2019 16: 36 New
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    The meeting will be, because there are so many questions on all topics, including gas, that it can no longer be ignored. And I think that LDNR will be far from the main topic. I don’t know if there is a difference for Ze who will break his crotch - Merkel with Macron or Natsik.
  10. Mouse 19 November 2019 16: 48 New
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    everything is simple, Minsk agreements, they seem to be there ... and they seem to be gone .... tires!
  11. Ros 56 19 November 2019 17: 11 New
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    So maybe it just will be the next show of the 95th quarter for European leaders, they still have a hard work, people need to relax and laugh heartily ..
  12. Felix Chuykov 19 November 2019 17: 21 New
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    Banquet Continuation

    There is no fanciful bestiality in nature,
    Than a system of private domination.

    Felix Chuykov

    28 September 2017 years
  13. Antares 19 November 2019 22: 19 New
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    The heading is promising ... more
    Why am I sure that there will be no meeting in early December

    Does the author hold any position in the Office of the President / Comrade?
    And if the meeting takes place (already several parties confirm that December 9)? That the author will apologize for his "confidence in the opposite"?
    It’s like with ships - no, no refutation - and still Kommersant is right - but no one apologized for the loud accusation of fake news ... right away they wrote why and why ..
    Yes, and “confidence” is to rely on some kind of “author’s feeling”, then a blow to an offer of an informal meeting (it’s clear that why both of them are informal, if they aspire to the global)
    and
    It is completely incomprehensible to me why in Ukraine they still believe that the Donbass is just an obedient kitten in the hands of Moscow.

    But is there another option?
    The dependence of the Ordlo from Moscow is stronger than the dependence of KIEV from the USA!
    If the latter can play and pretend to be holy fools, then everything is tough with the former.
    Financing, assistance, military organization, certification, political support ..
    Something I did not notice the local contradictions with the northerners. Everything was decided quickly and in favor of the latter. Very tough sometimes. "Ukrainian DRG" came for everyone who did not agree. And they will come again - if someone did not understand the first time.
    Of course we are sure that ORDILO decides everything on his own! laughing
    But nobody intends to solve issues with them. All the same, everything goes through Moscow. (In the Russian Federation, they are also sure that it is necessary to decide not through Kiev but through Brussels and Washington)
    so that’s why they’re meeting ...
    there are gas difficulties ahead, the stumbling blocks are the same (gas, Crimea, ORDILO ...)
    so if the meeting will be, see if the article
    Why did the meeting take place and my opinion was wrong ...
    ?
  14. German Titov 19 November 2019 22: 42 New
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    D. Peskov announced on 09.12.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX, but Ukraine is not ready for this. She will never be ready. Personally, I don’t recognize the "amnesty". According to the Law of Ukraine, I still have to admit my guilt, go through a "judicial procedure". What are we guilty of? The fact that the state has violated the Constitution of Ukraine sent a sun against the people? There is a big doubt that these “chlamidniks” will be able to beat WELL VERY BIG PEOPLE.
  15. certero 19 November 2019 23: 55 New
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    Whether the meeting takes place or not is all the same. The question is what should Russia do with this problem?
    An ideal option would be to preserve the conflict, but this is not possible. Since at one time they did not occupy the border along the river, therefore there will always be enemies in front of each other on the line of contact.
    What then??? In reality, there are only two options: to give the republic back or to declare that they are under our protection. And one shell on them will deal with Russia already.
    Both options are bad. Since for both, time is lost.
    1. sevryuk 20 November 2019 02: 36 New
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      Maybe a country to reunite? Former RSFSR and former USSR?
  16. pin_code 20 November 2019 07: 45 New
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    would write my opinion. but me for the repost of one article, on the way to the store for groceries "suspected" of stealing a man’s purse from a car, they raided.
  17. kriten 20 November 2019 11: 23 New
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    The meeting will be required. GDP will meet Germany and France and come. And they will try to “fix” the Minsk agreements ... to expedite the process. And what will be the reaction of GDP - a big question. The Minsk agreement is already the beginning of the betrayal of the republics ...
  18. Fevralsk. Morev 20 November 2019 12: 51 New
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    Ukraine is no longer in trend. Already got everyone. Not interested.
  19. bratchanin3 20 November 2019 13: 59 New
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    And after the end of the special status for LDNR, logically, there should be a recognition by Russia of the Donetsk republics. They cannot exist as rebel territories, especially since such a precedent already exists for Kosovo.
  20. Yuri N 20 November 2019 19: 14 New
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    All this, of course, is logical and convincing. But you missed another option. The meeting may involve discussion of other issues. And if Ukrainian may be one of these questions, then Zelensky may be asked to "sit outside for a short while" ...
  21. RoTTor 25 November 2019 19: 33 New
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    1. THIS CHIEF OF THE GREAT POWER
    to meet an impotent puppet who doesn’t control not only the country, even “her” quasi-party and her KHRYAK “lackey soros”, even the street under the windows of her office ???
    2. Germany is only interested in their own interests, that is, gas. Especially in the winter, to UKRAINE they .... on.
    3. France - the same thing.
    So there is no subject for a serious conversation with a maoionette depicting the prezik of a self-destructing quasi-state, or rather, the USSR collected their varying pieces of territory with certain external signs of statehood. Necessary for fraud and plundering the inheritance of the Ukrainian SSR.
  22. Alexander Kashin 26 November 2019 08: 41 New
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    I just don’t understand why V.V. Putin should meet with a comedian from block 95. Or does he want to play a member on the piano in front of V.V. Putin? So he confuses politics with the theater.